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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't you never know stories of things

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Speaker 1: we simply don't know the answer to. August two thousand seven,

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Speaker 1: A severed foot in a running she washes up. Wait wait,

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Speaker 1: don't you want to go through the whole high there?

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Speaker 1: This is thinking so yes? Okay, fine, al right, okay,

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Speaker 1: hi everyone, this is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Steve and Joe. See that was easy.

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Speaker 1: It was fast. I didn't really need it, did we

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Speaker 1: Why are you talking so fast? I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of sugar to This story just

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Speaker 1: Joe always kind of solves mysteries. I think we can

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Speaker 1: actually solve this one. So I'm just like ready to go. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: let's have us do it. Okay, what are we doing.

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Speaker 1: Here's the facts. We're doing the severed feet of the

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Speaker 1: Salish Sea. Ah, so the mystery is a foot alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: August two thousand and seven, A severed foot in a

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Speaker 1: running shoe washes up on the shore of a beach

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Speaker 1: in Canada. Since then, twelve more feet have been found.

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Speaker 1: The likelihood of finding two feet in the situation is

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Speaker 1: estimated at one in one million. Who who calculated those odds?

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Speaker 1: How exactly do you calculate? How you calculate those odds?

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Speaker 1: I think he's the wind pattern and the stars and

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Speaker 1: everything aligned, ocean patterns. Ocean pattern You probably just go

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Speaker 1: to the there's a web page, I have no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it. You go out to made up

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Speaker 1: statistics dot com. You can go to that one. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think there's probably a webpage just to voted to

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Speaker 1: severed feet somewhere on the web. The numbers and now yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So four of the feet have been identified as belonging

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Speaker 1: to two people, two separate people, but the rest of

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Speaker 1: were actually identifiably associated with named persons two of them. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, four of the feet to two of the people. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: And so what were the circumstances under which these people

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably best to just go foot by foot.

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Speaker 1: There's so many puns in this episode. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna go like one foot and the other

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Speaker 1: from the state of Washington on August two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: She was walking along the beach and she saw this

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Speaker 1: really disturbing, really disturbing. That's awful. Never to show me

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Speaker 1: your sneaker collection, please, actually let me get it. So

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Speaker 1: a foot in the door. Um So that foot was

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Speaker 1: also very small. Um it was found in a hiking boot. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it was a boy's size six, So either like

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Speaker 1: Whereas if it's local bodies, you would think that more

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Speaker 1: bodies would have been identified but identified or you know,

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Speaker 1: the DNA testing or bodies flow, you know, showing up

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Speaker 1: someplace else, they do a lot of work and rivers

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Speaker 1: like that, it trudges. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in major cities who nobody knows what happens to because

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Speaker 1: they just disappear. I mean, let's be honest. If if

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Speaker 1: I'm a street kid living in British Columbia and I've

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Speaker 1: got I decided that I've got nothing more and my

434
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Speaker 1: family doesn't know where I am, They're not going to

435
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Speaker 1: submit my DNA and that's going to be put into

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Speaker 1: a giant panther. Go, I don't know what happened to it. Yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, I'm to me. Okham's

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Speaker 1: razor to me says that's the simplest answer, which would

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Speaker 1: make the most sense. Great, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: really know that that's even the simplest answer, though, listen,

441
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Speaker 1: only one fits just as well. Also, the possibilities that

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Speaker 1: the north specific drift. Again, It's like if a ship

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Speaker 1: had sunk or you know what with a lot of

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Speaker 1: people went down or something something like that, and all

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Speaker 1: you know, those all those people wanted being in the

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Speaker 1: water for months at a time, and you know, eventually

447
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Speaker 1: their stuff would be you know, parts of their bodies

448
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Speaker 1: to be washed ashore. I mean, there's all kinds of possible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a theory that there was a crash of

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Speaker 1: a small airplane that happened kind of outside of Vancouver

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Speaker 1: in the Pacific Ocean, and maybe the bodies there's like

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Speaker 1: four men who died and this thing maybe these were

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Speaker 1: those feet that belong to those men. But you know, again,

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Speaker 1: it seems like that's the sort of thing that you

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Speaker 1: could kind of test for well here because they would

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Speaker 1: have been families that were actively pursuing that sort of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's possible. If you look at the currents,

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Speaker 1: it's possible for somebody that throw about to go down.

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Speaker 1: Somebody could like fall over words from his sailboat somewhere

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Speaker 1: off the coast of California, somebody who's wearing at least

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Speaker 1: one Nike stylish nake running shoes on his feet and

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Speaker 1: eventually wind up on the shores of British Columbia. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it could happen to drift, It could happen all over

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Speaker 1: the Pacific um. But what this tells me most of all, though,

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Speaker 1: is that say, if it was the tsunami or if

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Speaker 1: it was just random chance, like like shipwrecks and things

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Speaker 1: like that. There must be a hell of a lot

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Speaker 1: of floating feet in the Pacific because because the thing

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Speaker 1: about it is is like mostly the currents are going

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Speaker 1: to continue to carry your foot around and around and

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Speaker 1: around for a while. It's not gonna wash on shore.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's more probably more often than not, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna it's gonna bypass British Columbia on the coast

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Speaker 1: and whatever just drift on by. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of feet out there. Well that I think again why

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Speaker 1: this tsunomy makes so much sense to me, because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of bodies, massive amount of bodies. So for

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Speaker 1: the like you know, twelve or whatever, shoot exactly like

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Speaker 1: a tiny little percentage an explanation other than that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make as much sense to me. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't totally discredit Steve's theory either. I can see validity

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Speaker 1: in it. Just I have a hard time seeing a

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Speaker 1: foot in issue drift that far and still be intact.

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Speaker 1: But that's just me. But yeah, as far as bridge suicides,

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Speaker 1: and I probably usually somebody witnesses it and you know

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Speaker 1: they fished the body out and cut it away. Not

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Speaker 1: always but not always, but not always, that's not and

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Speaker 1: that's the other reason I go there. Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of all our theories. Wow, that was a

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Speaker 1: short list. I blame Richard the third. Yeah, he's totally

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Speaker 1: totally guilty with him. So I guess if you have

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Speaker 1: if you're missing a foot and you think one of

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Speaker 1: that we're trying to get ahold of that things fall

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Speaker 1: the Apple devices, but I understand not everybody is. So anyways,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this what turned out to be

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Speaker 1: super short show but very punny. Oh god, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: give me those looks for making that joke. I should

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Speaker 1: have stopped with the first one. I feel like this

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Speaker 1: was like, thanks for tolerating us. So yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks guys, we'll talk to you soon. The shoes on

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Speaker 1: the other foot, now, isn't this from the guy who

542
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: always puts his foot in his mouth? You guys, we

543
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Speaker 1: have to stop. Really? Yeah, oh man, this thing was

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Speaker 1: Jessicain intraction. How about how about, like, know, don't criticize

545
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Speaker 1: a man until you've walked a mile in his his shoes.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you floated a mile in his shoes. I

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Speaker 1: guess