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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Rufus Wainwright.

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing long wey, I'm just playing lone with you.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm Norah with me as usual is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome to Actually I'm going to tell you guys

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Speaker 1: a little secret. This is my first time seeing Sarah

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Speaker 1: and she's on a FaceTime because she just had a baby.

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Speaker 4: Did I have become two people?

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Speaker 1: Congratulations?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: She's got her little baby right there next to her.

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Speaker 4: This could go terribly wrong at any moment, but for

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Speaker 4: right now, okay, so.

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Speaker 1: We should get to the intros to the dro.

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Speaker 4: For right now, she's snoozing awesome. But I did just

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Speaker 4: want to say we've been doing this podcast for over

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Speaker 4: a year now and we are just so thankful to

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Speaker 4: our listeners for tuning in every time, subscribing and liking us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, yes, thank you so much. It's been so nice

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Speaker 1: to feel like people are listening.

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Speaker 4: And we also have gotten so many great guest ideas

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Speaker 4: from all of you, so thank you for that as well,

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Speaker 4: and we are working on it, so stay tuned. Follow

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Speaker 4: and grass Yes, adigatto.

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Speaker 1: Do it for the baby Gratzi Okay.

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Speaker 4: Our guest today is the wonderfully poignant and evocative vocalist, songwriter,

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Speaker 4: piano and guitar player, composer and just incredibly charismatic person

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Speaker 4: to be around, Ruthus Wainwright.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of a kind, it really is. I've

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Speaker 1: known him a long time and it was such a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to get together and sing sing some songs.

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Speaker 4: His career spans over several studio albums, soundtracks to film

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Speaker 4: and TV, classical operas, a musical, and not to mention

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Speaker 4: the annual holiday concerts which he produces with his sister

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Speaker 4: Martha Wainwright, called A Not So Silent Night, which you

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Speaker 4: Nora are joining in on this year in New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeap pi am, It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 4: And he's also celebrating the twentieth anniversaries of his two

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Speaker 4: thousand and three and two thousand and four albums Want

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Speaker 4: One and Want Two with Symphonic shows. Also released his

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Speaker 4: latest studio album earlier this year, called Fokocracy. He stays

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Speaker 4: very busy and is an extraordinarily creative human.

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Speaker 1: Yes, his new album Phococracy is so cool. He's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of special guests on it, and we get

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Speaker 1: to talk about that a little. And it's just so

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Speaker 1: fun to sing with someone like Rufus. And also he

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Speaker 1: plays piano. I play only on one song on this

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Speaker 1: episode because he is such an incredible pianist, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to hear his piano playing coming up

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Speaker 1: top at the tip toppy.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited you're in all of it.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy our new episode with Rufus Wainwright. I

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Speaker 1: would love to do poses first because it's sort of

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Speaker 1: my introduction to.

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Speaker 5: Your music, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And I felt the song my gosh, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: feel like this is one of those songs that gets

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Speaker 1: the emotion. The harmonies you use are so beautiful. You're

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I know, I mean this one is I

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Speaker 5: wrote it. Yeah, it was for my second album, and

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Speaker 5: I wrote it partially in London and partially in New York, Okay,

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Speaker 5: And it was I think the first half was in

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Speaker 5: the high end of decadence, was was gleaming in all

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Speaker 1: And I love that line. I can, I can picture it,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's such a great line. What's that chord?

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Speaker 6: SETI Boys, Philac picking up roses.

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Speaker 3: So that's beautiful poses.

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Speaker 7: All these poses.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm gonna blame me. Life is a game and

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Speaker 3: Trophy, you.

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Speaker 8: Which my head about.

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Speaker 8: My head about it? My head about it?

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Speaker 7: No one, no one, no one, no one, no.

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Speaker 6: What's your falling from classical virtue? Episode for the wig

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Speaker 3: Or Tato City streets.

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Speaker 6: Adresscor seal the poses now no longer?

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Speaker 3: Boys, man me a man of it? Who cares what

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so good, honey.

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Speaker 5: It's good. We did that one first.

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Speaker 3: You just did it?

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Speaker 1: Note it is so grand that song without being any

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Speaker 5: From was it was effected.

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Speaker 5: One of the main influences of that song was actually

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Speaker 5: She's like an Egyptian. She's probably the most renowned and

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Speaker 5: But she just has her voice. She had the greatest

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Speaker 5: but that on Noah, it's more of like an Eastern

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Speaker 1: That's cool, you know, that's cool. And what's that is that?

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Speaker 3: A diminished court is.

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Speaker 5: Like oh god, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean the on that part when poses.

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Speaker 1: But the way the way you voice, the way you

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Speaker 5: it's also like where you're the most vulnerable because I'm

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Speaker 5: just I'm really unlike Kate, who you knew well, my mom,

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Speaker 5: who could jam with anything, and I just would really

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so and I have. And it's a bit

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Speaker 5: actually great is that I did it sort of recently.

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Speaker 5: And what happened is that we did these Christmas shows.

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Speaker 1: It was good for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you know the song the people you know

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Speaker 5: that it's like and you can kind of bang them out.

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Speaker 5: That's all people need is to bang out the chorus.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to do anything. You don't have to

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Speaker 5: like do an amazing rendition pianistically. No, no, so I

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Speaker 5: think with the Christmas show I need to or not

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Speaker 5: even the Christmas Show. Just like sing around playing Christmas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I studied classical piano. When you start, I started

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Speaker 5: go to McGill and piano and then yeah, piano, but

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Speaker 5: I didn't stay very long. But wait where micguil in Montreal?

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Speaker 1: Okay for college?

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Speaker 5: For college? Okay, sorry, I'm conservatory.

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Speaker 1: Like oh, like it's like a big conservatory.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good it's a good school.

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Speaker 5: I kind of went straight into composition in the sense

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Speaker 5: that I would just start writing music. I started writing

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Speaker 1: Songs, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I would even gravitate towards the piano at an

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, and Martha, what's fascinating my Martha, she

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Speaker 5: She would come down, yeah, but it was always this

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Speaker 1: Well, she's so so good. Yeah, no, I mean she's incredible.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but I even feel like you also.

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Speaker 5: on many levels, both musically. The gay thing AIDS was

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Speaker 5: Oh really, Yeah, my mom got.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, my my hilarious study opera story is

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, that was it, you know what, not for me?

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Speaker 1: I wish I had that moment recorded on video.

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Speaker 5: Your loss.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear from that guy?

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Speaker 5: No, no, I heard. He was a great singer. He was,

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Speaker 5: He would do King Herrod from Salomi, which is one

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I made the wrong decisionally.

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Speaker 1: Not let's do another song?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to?

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Speaker 1: Let's try. I really wanted to do go into a town.

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Speaker 1: Since you're at the piano, so that my gosh, this

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Speaker 5: Now, this one, as I said, the piano arrangement is

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Speaker 1: I'll play more, honestly.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what to do with you got it?

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Speaker 7: You know what to do.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, I can't do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it has its thing,

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Speaker 1: I do I like that about this one? And I also,

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Speaker 1: what year did you write this one?

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Speaker 5: Well? I wrote this, Uh, I wrote this right after

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Speaker 5: the United States invaded Iraq. This is a response. That's

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Speaker 5: what I thought to that situation. So what was that

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Speaker 5: like ninety two thousand and three, something like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Remember the Iraqi invasion.

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Speaker 1: So well, let's play it then we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to a town that is already been but.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to a place that is arenyvent displays. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to see some folks who have already been let down.

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Speaker 6: I'm so tired of America. I'm going to make it

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Speaker 7: To want to tell the truth.

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Speaker 12: I'm so tired of you, Mamica making my own well,

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Speaker 12: ain't gonna be.

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Speaker 3: I got a lot to leave in America. I got

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Speaker 8: Do you anythink it go to hell forving love?

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Speaker 6: Tell me lot of thinking everything that you've done is good.

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Speaker 3: I really need to know.

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Speaker 6: After soaking the body of Jesus Christ and blood, I'm

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Speaker 7: I really need to know where I may just let

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Speaker 7: me see you again.

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Speaker 8: Mind, Well, you talk advantage of the world that loved you. Well,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to a town and is already been bod down.

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Speaker 7: I'm so tired of you mad mak him all and

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Speaker 7: way call. I gotta loved.

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Speaker 3: To Loman, I got love, I got so.

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Speaker 7: Just say, I got train.

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Speaker 3: That song speaking stickle, Oh.

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Speaker 5: My god, the opera there, that's the opera.

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Speaker 1: Holy crap, that's.

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Speaker 3: Hard, is deep.

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Speaker 5: Sadly it's become right now a perennial. It used to

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Speaker 5: be every four years. Yeah, every year, sadly that that

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Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? It just you know, it's it's it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it seems like it used to be more

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Speaker 5: longer cycles.

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00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

449
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 5: Now, you know, because even after Biden won and I'm

450
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: a big Biden fan and I think he's doing a

451
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 5: great job, but it doesn't whatever I.

452
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Mean, there's still all the stuff falling down. Yeah, yeah,

453
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I had a song kind of similar timing

454
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: that was about it was my version of whatever comment,

455
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: and I remember being worried at the time that it

456
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be relevant by the time the album came out,

457
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: and it would and then it just like always is real,

458
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: and it was kind of more about the election and

459
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But I remember whenever Obama was elected,

460
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: I still sing it because it was around election day,

461
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: but the meaning of it flipped. Yeah, and it was

462
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: like the other side related to it.

463
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I had the exact thing. I had the

464
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: exact same thing.

465
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: So even though my intent writing it meant one thing

466
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: to me, it flipped I totally whoever, whichever side.

467
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 5: When I first wrote it, people would boo. Certain people

468
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 5: would boo and even leave. You know, I had one

469
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 5: experience where I was I was doing it with an

470
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 5: orchestra and the first trumpet player got up and walked off.

471
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh during the song.

472
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: You know, did he not go to rehearsal.

473
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 5: Anyways, but he was a big Trump person anyways. But yes,

474
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: but then I had this weird thing where I would

475
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: play it during Trump years and certain things and they, yeah,

476
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: the conservatives would relate to it more.

477
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I'll just hold hands talk about it. But I feel

478
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: like it feels really good to write this kind of

479
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: song when you're frustrated. It's like, for me, it feels

480
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: better than trying to say my feelings on social media

481
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: or something. I feel so much better channeling into whatever

482
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing and having it take that over.

483
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I will say, you know, there's another song

484
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: of mine which I wrote more on the Trump era,

485
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 5: which I which it's called the sort of Days and

486
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: you should check it out.

487
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: It was it was, it was.

488
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: It was produced by Thomas Bartlett produced it. Oh yeah,

489
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: I did it at his studio and it was written

490
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 5: about more about the Trump stuff. But it's a great well,

491
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 5: first it was. It was mixed by Tom Elmhurst, such

492
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: an amazing mixer and uh and it's a really special

493
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: track and sort of sort of and it's around. There's

494
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: something also about writing around those times and trying to

495
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: do something, you know, to counter artistically musically, and it actually,

496
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 5: I don't know, I think it does rub off on

497
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: the recording.

498
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Even like yeah, yeah, there's a r yeah, and there's

499
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: a kind of spirits, yeah, that you should take advantage

500
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: of when you when you've written these songs that are

501
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: more you know, commenting political, do you find that you

502
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: go in trying to do that or they just inspire,

503
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: they just like inform what you're doing as you're going along.

504
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: I think it gets pretty bad and it just has

505
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: to it.

506
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Just comes out. You're not going, I'm going to write

507
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: a protest, so it gets pretty bad. Yeah, that's the thing.

508
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 5: And the first time was with this song when when

509
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: when you know, when we invaded a rack, And then

510
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: the second time was sort of domically is when the

511
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: Trump years was just yeah, unbelievable.

512
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that people always ask me about, like how do

513
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: you write a I'm like, I don't think you've got.

514
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 5: Because I yeah, you don't, but I have been you know,

515
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: I have this folk record coming out, Pholcocracy, and I'm

516
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: singing it Peggy Seeger song on there, and it's not

517
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 5: a political song, but I'm a big fan of hers

518
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: and of Pete Seeger and the whole Seeger thing. But

519
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 5: she's she's still with us and still performs and she's amazing.

520
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: But really going back into her catalog and the work

521
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 5: that they did that was part of my mother's world,

522
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 5: ye dads world in the seventies and sixties and stuff,

523
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 5: and they're you know, they would have at least, you know,

524
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 5: a good fifty percent or even more were political songs.

525
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 5: Yeah you did that.

526
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: That's what you Yeah, that's less.

527
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 5: That's what you were there for. Yeah, you were there

528
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: to make the world a better place. You were there

529
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: to sing for them, for the underprivileged and the oppressed. Yeah,

530
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 5: and I think that's missing a little bit now people.

531
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Are scared, yeah, or they're not inspired for some reason.

532
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah no, or they put that energy into like a

533
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: social media post instead of a song maybe I know which. Yeah,

534
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I prefer the personally like, like, I know how you

535
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: feel by hearing this song, and I'm deeply.

536
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 5: I will say though that I that I think that

537
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 5: I have hope. I have hope that the pendulum will swing.

538
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: I think with what's I think actually considering what I

539
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 5: mentioned before with you know, Biden won the presidency, Democrats

540
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: kept the Senate, and but it's still a ship show

541
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: and horrible things are happening. It is, and it's really

542
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: up to the people to get out there and do

543
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 5: their thing. It is.

544
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: But the political game is so Yeah, it's so hard

545
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: to get in there.

546
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 5: But I think it's all hands on deck at the moment. Yeah,

547
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: it has to be so get we should. There should

548
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 5: be a.

549
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Resurgence, resurgence political. Do you play this song at every show?

550
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 5: I played a Yeah, it's actually it's on the Folcocracy record.

551
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 5: Oh you put this on the one the one song

552
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: of mine that I I'm so glad that I put

553
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: on as a folk song.

554
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Did you have a person writing on it?

555
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have.

556
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: I sing with amazing and I love. Yeah, you did

557
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: duets on this whole album pretty much.

558
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: Except for Maybe. No, it's it's not only duets. Okay,

559
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 5: it's it's it's a it's a range of offerings, but

560
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 5: but it is. There's it's due at heavy.

561
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.

562
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: I love that.

563
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: The John Legend song. I didn't know that song.

564
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: That's beautiful.

565
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: That's the Peggy Seer song.

566
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 5: Okay, So there's that one, and then of course there's

567
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: also amazing singing Cotton Eye Joe with Ka Khan.

568
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: It's incredible, and and also.

569
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: Uh David Byrne and we're doing the moon Dog songs.

570
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 7: You know moon Dog.

571
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, checkout moon Dog.

572
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: Okay, it's amazing. That's incredible. And you did down in

573
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: the Willow the Willow Brandy Carry.

574
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: Yes, she's perfect. Yeah, yeah, no, she is.

575
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: She's an incredible singer.

576
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I love to sing with you.

577
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I would love to, you know, I actually recorded this

578
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: song with Billy Joe Armstrong. We did we did this

579
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: Everly Brothers record right, right, right, and actually it was incredible.

580
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: It was so fun Well, in my opinion, the Everly

581
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 5: Brothers are kind of they're kind of like if you

582
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: were going to think of like the American Stars as

583
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 5: actual stars. Yeah, in the firmament, they're like these two

584
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: they're like the twins or something, you know, like this,

585
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: these two kind of cast or Castor and Pollux or whatever.

586
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: They're like this, like the Seven Sisters.

587
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're yeah, they're a group of stars stars

588
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: kind of.

589
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: You're right, Yeah, it's beautiful. They're incredible. And they had

590
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: that sibling thing which even Martha had, yes, and which

591
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: you know you also had with your mom, that the

592
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: familial singing together thing.

593
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's another kind of vibration that it really is genetics.

594
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: It's so funny because you do all have your own

595
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: distinct voices, but when you sing together, it's just it comes.

596
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: I don't know what that word is or thing, A

597
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 5: group of stars.

598
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: Know what it is?

599
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 11: Oh?

600
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 7: God?

601
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: Well, consolation, a constellation, a two person constellation. Gotcha, I

602
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna

603
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: try to play guitar on this, just to break it

604
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: up a little do you do it? I'll do it

605
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: in the key you did it on the record, okay,

606
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: which is something.

607
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: Lyrics a little.

608
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: Bit just okay, Yeah, I think Sarah can prinham.

609
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 5: Right, this is so much fun.

610
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: This is so fun. Usually I feel like I play more,

611
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: but you sound so great. There's nothing for me.

612
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 5: You're playing. Well. I want I want to I want

613
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: to get you the real pianos.

614
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: Way.

615
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 7: Well, it'll be fun.

616
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: We'll switch it up. Are these lyrics?

617
00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: Right?

618
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

619
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 11: All right, I'm gonna play guitar for us, down in.

620
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 5: With long.

621
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: With me and my love did be.

622
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 8: As we said, look cold my love fall love to see.

623
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 8: I had a bad love bird.

624
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 7: On my love.

625
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: She did not.

626
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 7: So I poison, that is little.

627
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: On the bad speed.

628
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 12: Had you.

629
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 7: Say b through?

630
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 13: It was a blood through orry, which was a dreaded fui.

631
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 7: My father often joy.

632
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: Then mine would.

633
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 7: Say, had me free, I would murder that.

634
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 10: The little girl whose name was Rosco I found the

635
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 10: sit and is.

636
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 14: Scre wapps teed forzonly so soon shall walk to yer

637
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 14: scy food mars mind be.

638
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: The scary wait for let little whose name was.

639
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 5: M wonderful. That's funny it's funny though always these simple

640
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: ones are the most are the most challenging because it's

641
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: so but and I also always keep thinking about.

642
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Brothers and how yeah, and we're trying to not be them,

643
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: but you want to be there but know that they're

644
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: just so smooth.

645
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 12: Yeah.

646
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they have this kind of strange thing of

647
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 5: like singing out but not singing out at the same yeah,

648
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 5: you know.

649
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a funny balance.

650
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: Did you ever meet any of them or No?

651
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

652
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 5: My mom did, did she? Well, she met She had

653
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 5: this amazing night once where they were on tour. I

654
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 5: guess they were probably doing some sort of festival and

655
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: they ended up hanging out at a bar with with

656
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 5: with the two of them and and they like played

657
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 5: music all night and and it was and it was,

658
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: you know, one of the great It was something that

659
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: my mother, you know, there's a few experiences in her

660
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: life that happened. That was one of them where it's like, Okay,

661
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: you know, I've done it.

662
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: She probably grew up on she grew up on them, and.

663
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: There were her idols and but she but it was

664
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 5: funny is that she They had this song called Colin,

665
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: which is a French song that was kind of a

666
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: hit in parts of Europe and in Canada and stuff.

667
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 5: And it's a really brilliant song anyways. But and I

668
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: guess they were training off songs and and and they

669
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 5: sang that song and they went completely crazy for this

670
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 5: French song. And they made my mother and my mother

671
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: and my aunt sing it like three times, like, sing

672
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: that song. I love that song. And it was this

673
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 5: French Canadian folk thing that they didn't understand a word

674
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 5: of it. Yeah, but they just thought it was so amazing.

675
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 8: You know.

676
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: And they had the sisters and the brothers things yeah together.

677
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it was a night that I mean, I

678
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 5: wasn't there, but I just, you know, I just imagine that.

679
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: Pretty special. I can imagine that too. I'm gonna just

680
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: put this down. You were happy with that?

681
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: Yes?

682
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Great?

683
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 5: It was beautiful, beautiful, a little a little you know, disturbing.

684
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Slightly depressing.

685
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

686
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: Do we have an upper one?

687
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

688
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean this is an old traditional.

689
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's a murder ballad.

690
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Who wrote it? Yeah one of those yeah.

691
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well I want to hear you at the piano.

692
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to play for you. Okay, Yeah, we

693
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: have a couple week could try. Yeah, okay, I'll trade

694
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: your places.

695
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, because I have to say you know your

696
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: your piano playing is I've always been jealous of No, all.

697
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: Right, say it on the micro.

698
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Judy Garlands.

699
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can get into that.

700
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 7: Let's get in.

701
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: So you you did Judy Garland Live at Carnegie Hall.

702
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: You did the entire show at Carnegie Hall. So you

703
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: grew up on that record.

704
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's bizarre. This is what's okay, this

705
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 5: is what happened. Okay, I was born. Well, actually it

706
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 5: starts before that. Okay, my dad was born and he

707
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 5: for a period lived in Hollywood because my grandfather was

708
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 5: a writer for Life magazine. Okay, so do you want

709
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 5: to hear the.

710
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: Whole story here?

711
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: Okay?

712
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: Interesting?

713
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so so and my grand my grandfather Loud

714
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 5: and Wayne right. This junior the second was a fairly

715
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 5: well known columnist for the Life magazine. He had a

716
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 5: thing called the View from Here, which was one of

717
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 5: the only columns regular columns in Life magazine. Life Magazine

718
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: is usually photographs, but he would have this sort of

719
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 5: column about his life and the way the world was

720
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 5: around him and stuff and people really and he was

721
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: a very well known figure in journalist. I mean he

722
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 5: also he worked with Joan Didion. He he also was

723
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: he was in you know, he went to China with

724
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: Reagan and stuff like he did. He was a great

725
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: writer and for a while, I guess he was covering

726
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: Hollywood in the fifties. And and they lived in Beverly

727
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: Hills and uh, and they lived very close to Judy Garland,

728
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: and I guess somehow they befriended each other. My grandfather

729
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: and Judy or you know, they met each other. And

730
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: my dad I don't think he did it a lot,

731
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 5: but he would, Yeah, he would hang out with Liza

732
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: Minelli when they were when they were ten, around ten

733
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 5: years old, and Laura I think was there and also

734
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 5: my aunt Teddy, and so they would all hang out

735
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: at Judy's house. And there's some hilarious memory that my

736
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: aunt has where, you know, I think Judy Garland was

737
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: babysitting them, and all she remembers was they were kind

738
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 5: of like they were kind of sitting on the shag

739
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 5: carpet and Judy Garland was on a couch with a

740
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 5: broken leg and a scotch you know, we just sort

741
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 5: of like, I'm sure there was help, you know, I

742
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think she was. Yeah,

743
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: but it was sort of like she just remembers that vision.

744
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 5: So and and but but but Liza and Louden were, Yeah,

745
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: they were. They were the same age. And and and

746
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 5: Liza and your dad. Yeah, Liza and my dad were

747
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: the same age. And she ended up being the first

748
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 5: girl that he was ever in love with. His first

749
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 5: love was e Liza Manelli, like he really fell head

750
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 5: over heels in love. Then they had to leave La

751
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 5: or they were sent back to New York, and my

752
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: dad wrote his very first love letter to Eliza Manella

753
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: and I must have been eleven or twelve or something,

754
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 5: and and the opening line, it's great. It was dear Liza,

755
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: what do you think of this guy Elvis, which is

756
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 5: kind of.

757
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: A great yeah.

758
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, And she never replied, never, and it totally broke

759
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 5: his heart. And so yeah, yeah, so she never replied.

760
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 5: And then years later there was a thing where, you know,

761
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 5: he wrote this little song about her, and she was,

762
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 5: you know, doing really well with cabaret, and somebody in

763
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: an interview who said, oh, do you know a loud

764
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 5: Waynwright because he had written this little ditty about her,

765
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: and she said quite bitterly, she was like, oh, yeah, no,

766
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 5: that's Loudy. I remember Loudie. And then she said, oh,

767
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: and judging by that song, you know I have a

768
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: good voice coach for him if he needs one. In

769
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 5: an interview, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, like she totally

770
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 5: like cut him, which is ironic. My dad sings incredibly well. Still, yeah,

771
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 5: the same can't be said. Just watch out what you say.

772
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, watch out what you

773
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: say on the way up, you know, crazy whatever not.

774
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: But I look and I and I will. Actually it

775
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 5: gets deeper because really that had happened. But she I

776
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 5: don't know if there's any bad blood or anything. But

777
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 5: then the new years later, I met Liza and she

778
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 5: knew who loud One was and she's like, oh, rufus,

779
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 5: you know, and we kind of hung out for about

780
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 5: five seconds, not a lot, but but but at that

781
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: point I was discovering. What happened is that I'd always

782
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: loved Judy Garland. I'd always had mostly with the Wizard

783
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 5: of Oz and like her movies. And I didn't know

784
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: the Carnegie Hall record. I heard of it. Yeah, but

785
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 5: I'd never listened to it, and I have a strange

786
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 5: feeling that I was waiting like something something was was

787
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: not something some what other things had to happen, you know,

788
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: like and I but I always knew it was there

789
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: that interesting and so so I kind of but I

790
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 5: but I was and and this and the Judy Garland

791
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: session was was really pretty profound in the sense that

792
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 5: as a child there was the whole you know, Dorothy thing,

793
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 5: which was very powerful, and the Andy Hardy and all

794
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 5: of that. And then when I moved to La and

795
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: I was you know, partying a lot and hanging out

796
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 5: in very you know, decadent areas, I then related a

797
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 5: lot to her, you know, more looche side of the

798
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: recordings of her later in life, you know, where she's

799
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: hilarious but it's also pretty horrifying as well. So I

800
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 5: got into that end of her and then, you know,

801
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 5: so so I sort of I was a full blown.

802
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: And I really was.

803
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 11: This.

804
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 5: It was the situation where I would go to a

805
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 5: record and I remember I would go to Tower Records.

806
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: It was used to be on you know, Sunset and

807
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 5: right around here, and with every intention of buying you know,

808
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 5: the latest radiohead album, and I would leave with like

809
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 5: five jar like what happens? How did that? It's like blackout?

810
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 5: And so I kind of went on and on and

811
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 5: on and and at a certain point, actually I thought

812
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 5: I realized that I kind of had to like almost

813
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 5: exercise her for me, like hav an exorcism of sorts,

814
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 5: because she was sort of haunting me a lot. And

815
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: then I met Liza. It was around a time when

816
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 5: I when I first got sober, and that was you know,

817
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 5: I won't get too much into that, but but but

818
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 5: but I it suddenly it don't and I and I

819
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 5: said like, oh she Liiza knew you know, Louden And

820
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: it was sort of this. It was kind of chumming

821
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 5: for five seconds, and then I realized that I wanted

822
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 5: to do. Then I was like, now's the time to

823
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 5: listen to the Judygland record. And so I listened to it.

824
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 5: And it was right after I'd quit drinking, and also

825
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: and also America had invaded a wrack. It was around that.

826
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: It was an emotional time.

827
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 5: It was just an intense time, and that record kind

828
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: of instilled or it didn't instill, but but it became

829
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 5: a thread of of of my love for America, like

830
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 5: through all the crap. I was like, whenever I put

831
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 5: that record on, I was reminded that the US can

832
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 5: be great. Em you know, it's just like with the

833
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: songwriting and they and the glory of her and just

834
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: you know, more a better time and that maybe a

835
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: better time will come again and all that. So I

836
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 5: kind I kind of like held on to that record.

837
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy, crazy story.

838
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 5: For dear life. And then so I said, well, you know,

839
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: I want to do it again. I like to like

840
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 5: to sing it. And of course then I told Liza,

841
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: and she was horrified.

842
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: She was not a good idea.

843
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 5: Oh she was like, why would you ever want to

844
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: do that? Like she took it as an affront. Oh wow,

845
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 5: and and never talk to me again and very much

846
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 5: even tried at one point to to not make me,

847
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 5: you know, to like stop it. I have a sense

848
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 5: it might have been something she wanted to do.

849
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 7: I don't know.

850
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it was, but it hit this

851
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: nerve with her where she just I was like out

852
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 5: of her life and every and I'd see her at

853
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: parties and she would like walk by me as if

854
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 5: I didn't exist. And it was very it was very

855
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: interesting because I think I just look, I get it.

856
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 5: I think anything close with her mother and her is

857
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 5: like something different, something something that you just don't trespass.

858
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 5: And I did, and but but but so anyway, so

859
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 5: we did the show and Lorna was in the show,

860
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: her sister, and.

861
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: She supported it.

862
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: She supported it.

863
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean the show was a tribute.

864
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a great album, and I no way

865
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 5: feel that I, you know, eclipsed to her at all.

866
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 5: I think, if anything, I made it my own, you know,

867
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: you know, I kind of. I mean it was an event, Yes,

868
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 5: it was huge events.

869
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: And the original show was an event because it was her.

870
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: It was like her comeback show. Yeah, it was, And

871
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: it was the most I grew up listening to that record.

872
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: My mom had it on vinyl and I used to

873
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: listen to it, and I used to get so emotional

874
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: at the encore when they keep yelling for her, and

875
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: you can just tell how emotional I'm getting, like emotional

876
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: thinking about this. I used to cry and it was

877
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: just like a joyful moment. But it was like so

878
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: emotional for me when they would call her back and

879
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: back and she's like, well, we'll just sing them all

880
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: and you could tell how emotional it was for her. Yeah,

881
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I grew up listening to it. And

882
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: so when you did that, my mom, who was living

883
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: in the city at the time, she bought tickets and

884
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: she made an event out of it. So we came

885
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I knew you then, but

886
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: I could have easily gotten backstage passes at that time.

887
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: What year was that, Yeah, yeah, that was like two

888
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 5: thousand and six or something.

889
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: But my mom got like nosebleed seats at Cardie and

890
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: we just went as fans. Yeah, yeah, and we watched

891
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 1: it and it made her life.

892
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was so happy. No, I think I think

893
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 5: a lot of I think people understood. Look, I got

894
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 5: through the show. There's some amazing moments that I that

895
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 5: I did. It's not Judy Garland, it's not that. But

896
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 5: there was this sort of sense that everybody wanted to celebrate,

897
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: everybody want, everybody needed to get together, everybody needs well, yeah,

898
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 5: it was like and I tapped into that, that zeitgeist

899
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 5: and the other thing. And you know, and it's interesting

900
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: because my grandparents went to the original show, you know,

901
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 5: the original one, and and the lies of the thing.

902
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it kind of saddens me because whatever,

903
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 5: whatever it's, it doesn't really matter.

904
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: But but but but it is.

905
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 5: That was the only kind of strange part of it.

906
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 5: But but other than that, other than that, you know,

907
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 5: it was great fun. And on a more technical level,

908
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 5: there's really rufous before lives before list.

909
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: She's here with us, I have a special guest. She's

910
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings.

911
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: I wish that would be amazing. No, there's pre judy

912
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 5: and post judy rufus. Yeah it changed you, Yeah, it

913
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 5: changed me very much most And I just mean as

914
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: a singer, you know, because I because I knew, for

915
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 5: one thing that you know, before I think before I

916
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: did that show, I was fairly well. I was drinking

917
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 5: a lot, so I was just very kind of happy, happy,

918
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 5: go lucky. Like I just sort of went with the flow,

919
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 5: and I sort of every night was this kind of

920
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 5: tornado and I and there were certain evenings where I

921
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 5: was but I didn't think about my breathing. I didn't

922
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 5: think about like pronouncing things like. I just was very loose,

923
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 5: which is which there's brilliant moments when I was young

924
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 5: and that was happening. But there's also a lot that

925
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 5: I look back and I'm like, oh god, it's kind

926
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 5: of embarrassing. And then but then once I did the

927
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 5: Judy Show, like I was like, I gotta people have

928
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 5: to understand the lyrics. Yeah, I have to breathe, I

929
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 5: have to anonymize, you know, my energy. I have to yeah,

930
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 5: create this kind of intremendous arc both in each song

931
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 5: and also in the concert itself. And yeah, I had

932
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 5: to have a certain amount of discipline, and that was

933
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 5: very whatever. I think I became a much better singer.

934
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

935
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 5: Afterwards, it that way, yeah wow, which which I think

936
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 5: for me in a strange way, that's probably why I

937
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: did it.

938
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 4: Well.

939
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: It was like a masterclass.

940
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, so throw yeah yeah so. And it's

941
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 5: funny because it's also like, even to this day, there

942
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 5: are certain you know, hardcore Judy fans who were like,

943
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 5: why it's terrible, I can't believe you did that, Like

944
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 5: they just not into it. But they don't understand those

945
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 5: songs belong to everybody, and it's really about the songs.

946
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 5: I mean the songs also as a songwriter, I wanted

947
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 5: to get into that, you know, those are all I

948
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 5: mean there, Yeah, it's Judy's show, but that's not you know,

949
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 5: the songs are eternal and they belong to everybody.

950
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: I hate, well, I don't hate. I actually kind of

951
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: love when people get like that. It's like, you know what,

952
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to listen to this? Why does it

953
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: make you so mad?

954
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 5: Insane? But anyways, so yeah, but I don't know what

955
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 5: we're going to do. Tryum, how long has this.

956
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 7: Been going on?

957
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite song from that album.

958
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 5: And I just want to make sure I switch off.

959
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: Some Yeah I do.

960
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: I think that would be nice, which but I also

961
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 1: I feel like your version switches the verses a little

962
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: differently than hers. So I just want to make sure

963
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: I have the correct lyric.

964
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 5: Ye, give me, give me whichever you want. Yeah, why

965
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 5: don't we we can map it out a tiny bit.

966
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 5: I have to say I've before we start this, I

967
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 5: read the greatest musical poetic quote about singing recently, which

968
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: you ever heard of? Pasoa is this poet from Portugal

969
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 5: from like the thirties or whatever. But he uh. I

970
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 5: was reading this poem and then the poem said the

971
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 5: first line was sing like you're listening.

972
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: That he's so good.

973
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also so true.

974
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's been Yeah. I've been

975
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 5: thinking about that line a lot. Sing like you're listening.

976
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to remember when you're when you're young, right,

977
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: and you're just you're only listening to your book. I

978
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: had a teacher in college that said, don't fall in

979
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: love with the sound of your own voice too much. Yeah,

980
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: and I always was.

981
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: Like, what do you mean?

982
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 7: Oh I get it now.

983
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: It was good advice.

984
00:57:48,120 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: Okay, ready, okay, archer, cross.

985
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: To teas. Where have I.

986
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 7: Been all these years?

987
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: Listen? You tell me.

988
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 7: How long has this been going?

989
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: There were che.

990
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 7: Down my spine.

991
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: And some thrills I can't define little wow, Tell me

992
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: now how long has this been?

993
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 8: Go?

994
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: When in meon like cream.

995
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 15: That divine rounded? Don't wake me if I speaking love me,

996
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 15: dream that it's true?

997
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 7: Kiss me wise then once small?

998
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: What a time child.

999
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 7: Was before?

1000
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: What a breakfall heaven? How long has this been?

1001
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: Go?

1002
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 7: Oh? I wish that I conmute.

1003
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: And heaven.

1004
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 7: Did know where? No?

1005
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 8: How long the spells finding another world?

1006
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Kiss me.

1007
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 7: Once more? What did that side was before?

1008
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: What a break for heaven?

1009
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 7: How long has this been?

1010
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: Has this been?

1011
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 7: Oh?

1012
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 5: Something in there?

1013
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: We stuck the end?

1014
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it.

1015
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1016
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that piano break was gorgeous. Okay, yeah, it was

1017
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 5: really beautiful.

1018
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: Oh honey, oh that was great.

1019
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for doing this, Thank you for

1020
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 5: having it.

1021
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: Was so fun to see you. Oh that was so fun.

1022
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.

1023
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 4: An amazing performer. He's he's really a masterful storyteller through

1024
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 4: his music. It gives me like goosebumps every.

1025
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 7: Song I know.

1026
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: He also, I don't feel like he sings. He's never

1027
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: phoning it in when he says it's always like right there.

1028
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 4: And I love hearing all the stories from when he

1029
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: was growing up and like in that house full of

1030
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: so much talent, he really painted that picture so well.

1031
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he told some juicy stories there.

1032
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: He's got some tour dates coming up, so check out

1033
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: if he's performing live near you follow him to stay

1034
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 4: up to date with all his various projects.

1035
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: If you want to know what we played in this episode,

1036
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: we played Poses, which is the title track from Rufus's

1037
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and one album. We played Going to a

1038
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: Town from his album released The Stars in two thousand

1039
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: and seven. We played down in the Willow Garden, which

1040
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: is a traditional Appalachian murder ballad Murder, originating in the

1041
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: nineteenth century, probably from Ireland, and it's been recorded by

1042
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: dozens of people, including a beautiful version by The Everly Brothers.

1043
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: It's also featured on his latest album, Phogocracy. We also

1044
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: did the classic Gershwin standard how Long Has This Been

1045
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: Going On, which was famously recorded by Judy Garland. Today's

1046
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: episode was recorded at Night Bird Recording Studios in Los Angeles, California.

1047
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: Recorded by Colton Lakey, assisted by Louis Sanchez Navarro, mixed

1048
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: by Jamie Landry, edited by pregnant Sarah Oda. Additional editing

1049
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: and mixing by Matthew Vasquez. Additional engineering by Matt Marinelli.

1050
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: Artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography by Shervin Lenz. Coordinating producer

1051
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Rachel Ward. Produced by Me and Sarah Oda.