WEBVTT - Ep. 115: Blood Tracking Dogs 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.840 Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.360 I'm Dirk Durham and this week I have a filmmaker 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.119 with me here, Matt Gagman joining me. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.040 Welcome Matt, Thank you, Derek, thank you very much for 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.400 having me. I'm very excited to be here with you today. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.720 Yeah, yeah, thanks for coming on. You've man. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.080 We've been trying to get together for the last I 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.120 don't know month, I think trying to get together. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.360 It's like either you're on the road traveling or I'm 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:40.960 on the road. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.440 Travel and it's been kind of tough to get together 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:44.199 and connect. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.200 Yeah, it's always a hectic fall and obviously with Hanan 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.560 and filming. Yeah, I'm glad we I'm glad we could 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.000 lock this in. It's a long time coming. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.520 Yeah. Yeah. So how'd you get into filmmaking? 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.920 It's a great question. It was kind of a little 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.720 bit later in life career change. I kind of started 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.000 my career in engineering, spent a lot of time in 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.800 the field and always had a camera with me, and 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.560 then kind of hit a point where I wanted to 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.280 get into more of a creative role and yeah, kind 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.200 of quarter let crisis. I had sold my home and 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.600 moved out West, and I brought some money, gear and 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.760 a camera with me and just kind of made a 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.200 run of it. So it was a sort of a 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.759 trial and error to get started. Still did some contracting 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.480 for some companies back east while I figured out the 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.840 film side of it and started working on some small 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.760 projects down in Salt Lake City, kind of more commercial 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.679 stuff that Salt Lake's got a pretty big, you know, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.720 sort of film and commercial world. And then yeah, I 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.160 eventually worked my way over to Meat Eater and worked 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.720 with all of you guys there for a little while. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.240 And yeah, probably back in twenty twenty two, launched my 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.200 production company and I've been, you know, stead away at it. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.520 Yeah. Nice. So are you doing this full time? 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.400 Yes? Yeh, full time, So running Timeline Media and doing 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.320 a mix of pretty some of my own stuff and 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.960 then filming some some sort of hunting television content for 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.240 some other shows as well. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:08.960 Oh that's really cool. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:09.840 Yeah. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.240 Do you do you find it it's easy to stay 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.440 busy as a filmmaker. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.160 Yeah, I've been really fortunate. I think that I kind 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.760 of built up a pretty good network and built up 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.440 some good relationships early on, so I've been I have 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.880 no shortage of work, particularly on the TV side of things, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.600 you know, filming some some hunting television shows. I think 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.560 once you kind of get established in that world and 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.560 make some connections and people know that you can tag 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.280 along on a hunt and sort of be an asset, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.600 then there's a lot of work available. But yeah, took 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.040 a little bit to build up that network, but definitely 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:43.600 stay busy. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.640 Sure, sure, probably a lot of word of mouth that 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.600 goes on there. You know, once you do a few 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.760 gigs and they're like, yeah, that guy's great, and he 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.800 knows when to move and when not to move, and like, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.480 hunting is so different than filming other projects. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:58.000 I'm sure. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:02:59.920 Yeah, it's multi fi. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.000 Said, your inclement weather, you're trying to stay hidden from 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:08.640 an animal, and then once the SHOT's made, then sometimes 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.320 it's not over right, you know, whether it's tracking animals 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:13.280 or packing animals. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.000 It seems like it's it's. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.959 A pretty pretty pretty pretty big deal. Like it's it's 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.720 not just you know, turn on the camera and pushing 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:22.320 the go button. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.120 Yeah, you're definitely a part of the hunt more so 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.040 than you get you know, you're filming other content or 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.639 you're filming other projects. You're sort of outside of it, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.840 but filming hunts, you're very much there. I mean, whether 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.880 it's a you know, spotting stock couse hunt. I filmed 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.640 an archery couse hunt in Arizona last year and that 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.080 was incredibly challenging and we were successful in the first day, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.880 but it was that was one of the hardest ounts 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.280 I filmed. And then one of my proudest camera moments 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.000 is actually, you know, stalking in five hundred yards on 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.160 a bedded buck with the guy filming and getting into 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.400 twenty eight yards and making the shot like you're very 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.000 much immersed in the hunt, or you're sitting in a 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.160 stand with a guy for twelve hours hanging in a 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.360 tree waiting for a deer to come by, and you 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.120 know all the stuff that goes along with that, being 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.280 quiet and being stolen stuff. So you're definitely, you know, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.160 you're definitely very much a part of the hunt instead 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.880 of just a sort of outside observer. Yeah. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.800 Absolutely, Yeah. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.520 Well I was, well, I follow you on Instagram and 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.400 I saw where you were promoting a film, you know, 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.960 your latest film called Tracking, a Canine Film. So then 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.640 I got on YouTube and I gave it a watch, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.080 and man, it was a really cool, really cool film. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.400 And I've I've had lots of like interest and questions 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.120 about tracking dogs over the years, like as a as 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.560 a longtime hunter, you know, and I've hunted with a 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.000 lot of people and I've hunted a lot myself, and 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.640 you know, sometimes shots are not ideal and they go, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.919 you know, no matter how hard you try for like 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.520 the perfect close shot, something happens. You know, you can 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.039 hit a limb or whatever. And you know, if you're 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:55.800 on one of those kind of track jobs, you're just 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.000 like wondering, like, man if I had a track dog, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.600 like tracking dog, what what could he? 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.039 What could happen? How effective are they can? Man? 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:05.880 I wish I had one, you know what I mean. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.640 So watching that film, I was like, oh, this is 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.320 so cool. So I thought I definitely wanted to reach 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.400 out and kind of pick your brain about tracking dogs. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.120 Yeah. Absolutely, And I appreciate you watching the film. That 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.719 was definitely a you know, a passion project. I have 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.120 a I have a Belgium my own law that in 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.440 conjunction with developing the film, I taught her out of 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.400 blood track. So I got this dog and you know, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.760 looking for a task and purpose for her. This breed 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.480 in particular kind of needs a job. Otherwise there they 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.719 can get a little unrule week. And so I had 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.520 actually filmed a track with Mark Nny and that was 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.039 the first time that I ever saw tracking dogs in action. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.160 We were down in Alabama and Mark made a good shot, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.680 but this buck just piled up and disappeared in the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.960 brush and we brought in some dogs to track it. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.560 I just I thought it was the coolest thing I've 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.680 ever seen. It's such an incredible resource. And then the 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.279 handler sort of dog relationship I think is really incredible. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.919 And you know, I grew up with hounds, you know, 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.039 on quenhounds or raising couonhounds, but this, you know, sort 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.120 of a relationship with these tracking dogs, I think it's 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.640 way more intimate. And Yeah, it's just an incredible resource. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.080 And through the film, I wanted to just highlight that 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.719 to a broader audience. I want people to know that 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.479 these resources are available and that people us as handlers 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.200 are just really excited to work our dogs. We're really 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.960 passionate about it and we want to help people cover stuff. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:25.560 Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.880 It kind of showed through it, like there was some 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.680 interview sections through there, and you know, different handlers talking 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.760 about their dog or why they how they got into 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:40.360 it and stuff, which was really really interesting. So you 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.160 have a tracking dog, I do what breed is it? 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.159 Since a Belgian mallin law's kind of a like a 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.920 German shepherd point a year, a little bit smaller, little 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.120 little spicyer. They're kind of feisty dogs. But uh yeah, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.640 so she's just uh, you know, they're used in protection 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.360 and tracking and law enforcement. But for the for this purpose, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.400 she's incredible. She's got an unbelievable nose, and she wants 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.440 to work. She's got really high drives, so that helps 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.520 immensely with the trackie. She wants to go find stuff 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:10.480 and she's got no quit. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.200 How old is she? 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.840 You know, I rescued her so that I think she 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.960 was probably about four when I got her, and so 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.360 now just under five years old. I've had her for 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.800 about eight months now, Okay, yeah, so she had a 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.040 whole life before this. I have no idea she was. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.720 She was picked up on the streets in Wisconsin, totally 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.520 yeah when he got her and then you know, kind 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.720 of started chaining with her right away. But she's I 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.960 don't know much of her history, but She's taken to 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.120 it really well, thankfully. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:39.720 Yeah, that's great. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.240 Yeah, you know, that was gonna be one of my 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:45.280 next questions because they say you can't take yourn old 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.440 dog new tricks, and I was wondering how old. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:50.040 You know. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.239 I'm sure ideally, you know, if you had a pup, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:53.480 you know, start training them. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.880 But you know, if someone listening. 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.280 Had a dog who's you know, several years old, you know, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.560 maybe it's not too late to start training and working 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.320 with the dog on that. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.120 No, not at all. I mean people will start puppies 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.320 at eight weeks and they'll do you know, deer liver 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.440 drags to get him interested in tracking. Both with her, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.160 you know, and I do a little bit of other 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:16.320 sport works and sort of Chairman Dodgsports stuff, IGP and 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.640 American shoots, and there's a component of tracking to that 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.800 that I started working with her. So you kind of 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.920 lay a little track out and there's a big reward 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.920 at the end, and you just start reinforcing that sort 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.640 of defined it and the and the you know, the 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.520 will to track, and then switch that over to Blood. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.160 So I had a little bit of experience with tracking beforehand, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.200 but nothing with Blood or kind of any animal stuff. So, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.480 but she took to it extremely quickly. I think, I 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.880 you know, you show these dogs are incredibly smart and 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.240 you just teach them the game, show them that there's 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.520 a really high value reward at the end of it, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.360 and they'll work for it, you know, as long as 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.400 they've got a little bit of drive and they can 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.800 understand what you're asking to do. I think you can teach, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.400 you know, I don't think there's a limitation to what 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.800 dog do you and teach the track? 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:07.280 Okay, now you mentioned laying out a trail and then 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.440 but it wasn't necessary a blood trail. Could you give 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:11.720 an example of what that would be. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.560 Yeah, absolutely so with the sort of the American should 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.760 Center IGP tracking. These again, these are like what do 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.280 dog sport organizations. You'll use their favorite treat and in 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.120 my case, she gets to a raw only diet. So 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.200 for her, it was just dehydrated beef liver, just little 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.960 chunks of liver and you make a footstep and you 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.720 kick your heel in and you just put a little 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.480 treat in that heel. Layout a track and normally we'll 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.880 start with like a circle track, so maybe you do 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.400 twenty paces in a circle, there's a treat in each footstep, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:43.720 and then at the end there's a big pile of 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.160 treats or like a hotdog or you know, some sort 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.400 of high value reward. And then you just show them. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.600 You just point to the footprint, they sniff, they indicate that, hey, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.640 I know something's in there, and they go to the 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.400 next and you just start running that circle track, so 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.400 they get the idea that hey, if I follow this track, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.080 there's a big prize. And then from there and you 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.840 go to straight tracks where you may run it out 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.480 one hundred yards in a straight line. Then you start 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.200 adding some angles and then from there that's when the 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.920 blood came into it. So like, you know, she kind 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.839 of understood tracking, and she knew that there was a 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.160 valuable thing, and that's when I started introducing the blood 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.520 for her to kind of make that the thing she 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.240 would seek out. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.800 Oh that's that's really interesting. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.000 Yeah, yeah, I in my mind, I was trying to think, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.440 you know, what that would all look like, and it's 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.680 completely different than I had anticipated in my head. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.120 So no, that's really cool. I have I've got labs. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.000 I've got a a black lab. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.360 Who's like seven years old, and I got a yellow 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.160 lab who's about eight months old. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.440 And I've always. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.120 Wanted to work at like trying to train them things 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.000 to be blood trailers, and unfortunately I would whenever I 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.960 go to hunting camp, my dogs are always home. You know, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.080 I don't take them to camp because they I don't 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.640 want to have to sit at home at camp by 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.840 themselves all the day, all day by themselves, and they 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.800 can be long days and sometimes inclement weather. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:02.960 You know, maybe it's hot as heck. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.640 You know, you don't we don't want them overheating or 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:06.400 or you know whatever. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:07.680 It can't be unattended. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.200 So yeah, I've been one to kind of train my 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.160 dogs to be able to do that. But that's a 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.960 really cool way to get them started. Now on the video, 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.960 I noticed one of the dogs that looked like they 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.040 were training it with like a patch of deer hide 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.520 or something like doing a hide drag or something. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.040 Yeah, so that'll be the that'll be the prize at 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.400 the end. So when we start laying, you know, practice practs, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.160 but out in the real world, we'll use a piece 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.880 of hide and uh, you know, we'll try to we'll 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.360 try to get a hide with a little bit of 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.640 like meat left on the back or something like that, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.480 and that's what they find at the end, so they 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.000 know they're kind of looking for that. They're they're stepping 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.560 the blood. And then when they get close they can 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.000 smell that hide, and that's the reward. They get to 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.040 tear that thing up. They get to chew on the hide, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.679 you play tug with it, you get them super exciting 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.800 about it. They can peel some of that meat off, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:59.760 and that's the big prizes. They get to carry it 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.360 around at the end, and that's that's to get them 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.160 to kind of go to the final distance. So like 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.600 they you know, set to the blood all way, and 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.240 then here's the hide, here's the inneck and then that's 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.840 so well indicate on it and let you know where 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.240 it is. Because I early on I had her walk 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.800 past a few pieces of hide. She followed the track perfectly, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.360 and then she just kept going and I didn't lace 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.120 enough value on that hide. And then you get it 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.960 out play with a teacher that that's a fun thing 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.920 and a good thing, and now she'll go right to 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.960 it softle trial and error. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.360 But yeah, yeah, yeah, she. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.960 Had to understand that was the goal, right, yep, Yeah, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:33.520 that's the price. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.200 There's that's the fun thing at the end, or the 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.680 tasty thing. She's super food driven, so for me, yeah, yeah, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.320 Like I started feeding her her dinner at the end 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.000 of the track, so she gets the track and then 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.439 there's a big pila you know, beef liver and chicken 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.520 parts and all that stuff, and that's that's her big 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.000 win is food at the end. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:51.360 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 So then she's probably like, man, can we just track 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:54.679 someuth that I'm hungry? 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.000 I want to eat all the time. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.840 Whenever we're out, she's always sent me, you know, like, yeah, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.000 we've got a ritual. When we start our track, I 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.360 put a certain harness on her and we kind of 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.760 go through a ritual. I said some stuff I say 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.760 to where probably I don't know if saying anything matters 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.719 for me. It gets me excited to track. But I 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.599 go through a ritual and then she quicks over to 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.360 tracking mode and it's like go time. But whenever we're out, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.560 she's always scenting. She just got a great nose and 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.199 she's always looking for something. And we've got a ton 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.240 of deer on where I live, so she's always keyed 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:21.720 in on them. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:23.720 That's awesome. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.440 I used to have a yellow lab back in the day, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:27.960 and I did spend a little bit of time with 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.840 her trying to get her to track blood. I would 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.559 take like anytime we'd open a bag or like a 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.720 wrapped up package of elksteak or whatever, then I would 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:40.839 take it. But they had the blood on it, and 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.160 I take it out in the yard and I kind of, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.600 you know, drag it out through the yard and then 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.600 when she couldn't see me, you know, and then i'd 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.520 have a little bit of elk me a little you know, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.040 bite sized tidbit of elk meat out there, and then 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:52.640 i'd let her and I'm like, come on, yeah, you know, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.680 try to put get her on this sentence. She would 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.679 kind of find it. And then my brother hit this 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.040 bowl and we were trying to track it and we 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.240 couldn't find it. You know, the thing kind of ducked 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.040 when he hit when he shot, and it hit it 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.360 really high, kind of up in the high shoulder, and 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.760 but we thought, well, you never know, there, it's probably 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.520 not a lethal shot, but you never know. We have 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.280 to try our best. So I went and got her 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.960 and I put her on a leash. Of course, Idaho 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.560 you have to have your dog on a leash, and 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.720 and maybe that's the custom you know, for most states 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.320 are customary for everyone anyway, tracking, I'm not sure. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.920 I'm not that familiar with it, but they're. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.480 A little wild. In the South, they can run them 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.520 on GPS collars. We have to we have to be 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.600 on lead in the rocky Mountain states, but down south, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.840 it's they get to have a little more fun. They 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:39.480 can just send. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.040 Them okay, well yeah, yeah, yeah. And it took her 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.920 a minute where you know, I walked her back and 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.880 forth through the brush there kind of where the last 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.560 blood was, and then all of a sudden, it just 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.760 like a light bulb went off and she's like and 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.040 just start pulling and just like I could, I couldn't 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.920 hardly keep up, like she was running me through the 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.080 brush like and it wasn't like once she kind of 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.880 figured out what she was spoke, she ran like she 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.840 was on it. And we crested this ridge and we 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.600 got up there and there was a flock of turkeys, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:09.840 and that flock. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.200 Of turkeys just went everywhere and it was over. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.760 She was just like a turkey. All she had on 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.400 her head was turkey's at that point. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.120 Yeah, over stimulated and yeah, yeah, high value prizes. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.680 Yeah, so we never did find that olk, but I'm 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.800 I know it was a non lethal hit. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.120 I seen it, ye super high shoulder. But it sounds 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.080 like she understood though, like what she was doing. I mean, yeah, 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 you know, they're they're very clear when they're tracking versus 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:36.760 when they're on a walk about, you know. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:37.640 Mm hmm. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:38.840 Yeah, I used to. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.440 I used to take her to camp a lot. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.760 She was really good to be by herself, and I 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.480 could I could literally leave her in the back of 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.560 my pick up all day. She'd sit back there and 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.920 she'd had water, food, uh, shelter, and I could leave 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.320 her in the back of my truck all day and 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.360 I'd come back and she's there, you know. So one 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.200 day I killed this bowl very close to the truck 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:02.160 and I shot him and he expired, and like I 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.040 didn't even go look for him yet, And I'm like, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.240 you know, this would be a great opportunity for to 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.880 let her learn and and find that prize at the end, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.240 find that elk, And so I went and got her 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.600 and got her on there, and man, she just she 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.640 got right on that track and drug drugged me right 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.440 down the elk. It was a pretty short blood trail, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.680 but it was funny. When we got to the elk, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.400 I let her off the lead and she's all sniff, sniff, sniff, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.200 and immediately she goes back to the hind quarter by 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.080 the the by the the bung and grabs a hold 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.640 of that that tender hide right there and just starts 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.160 tugging like like it was instinctual that Hey, you start 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.440 on your you eat. You need to eat an elk 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.440 from this direction, like I've seen wolves do that on TV. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.800 I thought, Wow, how's this dang dog, the yellow lab 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.400 know how to start at that in on an elk 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:48.880 to eat it? 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.440 Yeah, they've got that. Mine does the same thing. But 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.640 super common to see that with the tree because we 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.760 had to. We usually asked the hunter like, hey, or 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.080 what are you gonna do with this animal? Are you 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.760 gonna cat? And you're with Is it okay if she 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.600 not on it for a little while? And they that's 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.879 the spot that seems to be the sweet spot that 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:05.639 they all go for it. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.480 As I broke that bowl down and whittled him down, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.600 and every time I'd have a little tidbit, Man, she's 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.040 just sitting there right there waiting for it. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:21.199 Man. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.680 She just got to eat or fill of little tidbits 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.840 and scraps, so that was awesome. But I never did 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.840 have another opportunity to get her on an elk, which 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.800 I always regret. I thought, you know, dang it, that 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.240 was you know, this is twenty years ago, but I 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.919 regretted not having that opportunity. So with my new pups, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.160 i'd like to I'd like to do that again sometime. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.199 And it's pretty easy to get started. And we have 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.080 a lot of people in our organization that have dual 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.920 purpose dogs. You know, we've got folks that have bird 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.879 dogs the blood track, and you know, shed hunting dogs 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.760 a blood track as well, so they can sider a multipurpose. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.520 I haven't done any you know, other training with her 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.960 other than blood tracking, but there are some folks that 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.280 are really successful differentiating different disciplines with their dogs. So 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.879 even if you've got a retriever, you know, you bet 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.040 an oupen dog, there's a good chance he can teach 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.919 with the blood track as well. And are there some 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.280 people that would argue that, but you know, in our group, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.600 we've got we've definitely got some multipurpose dogs that do 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:15.520 a really good job. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.040 Sure. Sure. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.920 I have a buddy who is an outfitter and he's 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.119 got bear, bear and cat dogs right yeah, And he 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.119 said there's a couple of them that will track blood. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.159 So but he hasn't put much effort into it. But 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.520 I'll bet if he worked with him a little bit more, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.880 he could probably just have some really. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.600 Good success with that. Absolutely. Yeah. And those dogs are 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.360 I mean, they've got so much drives. All you gonna 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.520 do is, you know, teaching the rules and point in 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:40.960 the right direction and they'll find it. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:42.320 Yeah. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:42.880 Yeah. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.679 Are there are there any particular breeds someone should be 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.520 looking at for tracking, like maybe maybe a French bulldog 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.200 wouldn't be the best, whereas another breed would be excellent. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.000 Well, it's funny to ask you this is like the 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.800 most contentious topic. Can we send allanization in an our 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.200 group about about breeds so that a really popular breed 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.160 is not that far from your French bulldog which are docsins. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.200 So there is a ton of tracking there. You saw 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.199 in the film a little Lucy there, that little that 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.919 little Doxy that my buddy Scott owns. She's an incredibly 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.080 accomplished tracking dog and she's tenacious. I mean you think 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.160 a dog bad size would run out of steam pretty quick. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.520 She's like a little ferret through the through the brush 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.040 and she's unbelievable. So so docsins are really popular. You 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.400 see a lot of catahulas, You see a lot of 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.800 the Bavarian mountain hounds and become a pocket but I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.480 don't know if you've see those. They were smaller around. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.560 They're really cool looking little dogs, and uh, that's getting popular. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.520 A few point of your dogs. You know, we've got 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.600 a couple of German shepherds. I know there's a gal 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.720 as a mall and loss so similar kind of the 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:53.280 shepherd breeds. But there's a huge variety. I mean, people 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.560 run like anything you can imagine. I mean you've got 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.600 your your bird dogs and your retrievers. It's a big mix. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.920 But primarily you see a lot of Docssly enough. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.080 I watched a video shoot. I don't even know where 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.040 I seen it, maybe on a forum. This was probably 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.080 even before Facebook, right, this is on one of the 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.960 hunting forums back when that's what we did. And somebody 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:22.040 had put a posted a picture of their buck and 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.280 the story how you know that they shot it? And 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.200 it's just starts snowing like crazy. And it came in 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:28.879 a huge snow that night, and it snowed like put 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.240 down like a foot and a half two feet of 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:35.119 snow and drifts. And they had called someone, a local 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.159 person who had a tracking dog. When it shows up, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.080 it's a it's a long haired docs and right this 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.080 this dog looks like it has no business being in 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:50.560 snow number one or tracking anything, right yeah, And they 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.600 made a little video about it. In fact, and this dog, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.960 I mean this, there's no way you're gonna find this deer. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.520 And that little dog it would just like sniffing, It 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.080 sniffed and then just start kind of leaping, leaping through 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.680 the snow. It could barely even get through the snow. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.399 It is the funniest thing to watch it work. And 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.720 it found that deer. It was completely covered in snow. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.919 It didn't there wasn't even an antler sticking out. And 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.720 it found that deer like a day and a half later. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.359 So I thought that was pretty incredible for such a 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.159 neat little dog to be able to find that. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.399 But yeah, it is. It's remarkable just the time that 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.840 silks are finding animals. After a meeting, we've got thirty 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.120 and forty hour later tracks. It's just truly what these 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.600 dogs can. You know, you can go online and try 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.880 to look up there's all these statistics and figures about 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.120 how much more powerful their sense of smell is, and 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.080 I'm sure it's exponentially more, but I think it works 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.439 in a different way than ours ours does too, you know, 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.280 I imagine it's like someone put it really eloquently, as 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.680 it's like they're they're like painting a scene in their 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.439 mind every time they smell something, whereas you know, we 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.679 smell something it's an odor, we try to correlate what 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.240 it is there. It's opening up this whole visual to 0:21:55.320 --> 0:22:00.000 them and really watching these dogs track on very little signs, 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.560 very little scent. You know, you may have a few 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.359 spots of blood over a few miles, and these dogs 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.200 can just find stuff. I mean, it's really that's the 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.680 biggest part of doing this tracking is just watching them 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.879 be successful. And it's just it's kind of otherworldly how 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:13.800 good they are at it. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.600 So what's the best thing you can do with your dog? 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.640 To like, the best thing you can do with your dog, 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.399 whether it's like, okay, I noticed one guy on the 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.200 film said, you know, it's imperative is spend as much 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.080 time with your dog as you can. You know, maybe 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.520 not even like working tracking, just getting to know each other, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.480 getting to know each other's quirks, personalities and stuff. Would 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.359 you consider that be a pretty high I think like 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.120 one of the best things you can do with your dog. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.359 Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, whether you're tracking or whether you're 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.879 just building a relationship. And you know, I'm part of 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.560 a working dog clubs, so we spend a lot of 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.560 time training our dogs. And in the beginning, when you 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.640 get a dog, we say this over and over again, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.359 is just engagement. You're engaging with your dog. You know, 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.360 before we do any kind of obedience or know, any 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.520 kind of high level stuff, you're just you're playing with 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.240 your dog. You're interacting with your dog, maybe as simple 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.680 as like you're walking and you've got treats in your hand, 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.359 and if your dog looks at you once they did 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.920 a treat and then they start correlating, they're like, hey, 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.680 you're the you're the provider of great things, and that 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.600 bond develops. And then when it comes to tracking, I 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.560 think that's the same thing. It's you know, run a 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.760 lot of tracks, you know, practice tracks are great. Get 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.120 get someone to run blind tracks for you. That's when 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.760 I really started to make progress is getting other people 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.200 to run tracks so I don't have that confirmation bias 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.040 of like no, no, I know it's over here. And 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.119 then it's just just time behind your dog. Like you know, 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.160 there's some trappers that may be a little bit more 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.360 selective later in the season, while the tracks they take 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.439 just based on data collected from owners like oh this 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.440 doesn't sound like a fatal shout out it's far away. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.440 But initially like I will take every tracking call. I 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.840 don't care if they're like I see it dead. I 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:54.119 just want to get behind her and watch how she indicates, 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.800 how she moves, how she corrects herself, and how she 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.720 corrects me. Like typically I think if the dog does 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.920 something wrong, I just by to fall blame myself as 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.840 the handler, like they know what they're doing. I'm interfering 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:06.919 some way. So yeah, just the more time you can 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.119 spend with your dog and then behind your dog on 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.760 a track, you know, you just develop that trust. And 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.480 that's like the key takeaway is just trusting your dog. 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.880 We say that that's our mantra over and over again. 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.280 It's just trust your dog they know what they're doing, 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.719 or just along for the ride. And even we get 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:23.800 some hounters that are like, I'm pretty sure it went 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.040 to the left, and I'm like, he wants to go 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:27.720 to the ride. I'm just gonna follow her. If I 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:30.000 start questioning her, this isn't gonna work. So I'm just 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.080 gonna go with my dog and you know, we can 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.560 meet back up whatever. And she she's not wrong. Yeah, 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.560 So it's just it's just trusting that and being able 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.160 to like kind of, you know, advocate for your dog. 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.720 Now as you're tracking, are you like, are you like 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.160 coaxing the dog, encouraging the dog? Are you just like, 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.879 once she gets the scent, you're like, Okay, I'm just 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:51.560 gonna let her work. 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:53.840 Yeah, I'm just along for the ride. I try not 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.439 to to. We have some little stuff and you know, 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:58.959 I'll and I'll add a caveat to this whole thing. 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.400 This is my first whole season tracking, so I'm relatively 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.200 new to this. We've had some great recoveries, we've had 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.639 some non recoveries that turned out to be non fatal. 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.040 But I'm still learning this process. But I'm really fortunate 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.280 to have a great network of people that I've trained 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.000 with and then have helped me. And you know, early on, 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.000 i'd once in practice tracks and you're like, hey, you're 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.800 pushing your dog. So I track on a thirty foot lead, 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.240 and if I'm not at the end of that thirty 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.840 foot lead, I'm I'm probably pushing my dog. So like, 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.800 if she's you know, she stops and she's air scenting, 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:30.919 or if she's indicating or sniffing and I walked up 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.160 on her, there's a potential that I'm going to push 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.320 her forward and kind of break her concentration off that track. So, 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.720 you know, once I give her the command I used 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.920 to you know, geremany command Sue could go find it, 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.119 she takes off. I let her run out to the 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.360 end of that thirty feet she starts tracking. I put 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.600 a little back tension on it just to kind of 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:50.960 keep her drive up. She's pulling a little bit, and 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:52.800 then I just stay back and let her work and 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.639 if she needs to, you know, if she needs to, 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.359 you know, go to the edges of the scent pool. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.480 She may you know, track a little bit to the right, 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.760 in a little bit to the left to kind of 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.320 get where that concentrated sign is I just letter work 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.080 through it and then off we go. So yeah, I 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.159 try not to. I try not to. I try not 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.480 to interfere, you know, if not much or if not all. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:16.200 Yeah. 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.800 I wondered about that long tracking lead too, because I 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.360 noticed in that film a lot of the dogs had 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:23.920 a really long tracking lead. 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.040 It's like, wow, that's that's a. 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.800 Lot longer than I would have anticipated. But but I 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.280 don't know a thing about it. So that's interesting, which 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:32.920 makes sense. You want to let you want to kind 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:34.440 of you don't want to interfere it, right, you don't. 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.360 You want to let them kind of figure it out 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:37.720 and not distract them. 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:38.600 So that's good. 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.639 Yeah, And we all have our biases, like you know, 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.760 all of the like you know, uh, got your iDeer 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:45.600 goes to water every time we'll get out to Uncle 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.399 Uphill and there's all it's like weird little you know, 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:49.879 we kind of get a bias. You look at the 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.120 landscape and you're like, well, it probably went that way, 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.440 but we don't know that at all. So if you're 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.760 up and you're pushing your dog, you could be pushing 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.600 them off the track simply because you think you know 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.520 more than you know, a dying elk or a blood 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:06.000 tracking dog. So yeah, getting back that, you know, getting 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.800 back at thirty feet and just letting them work through, 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.760 and I think just gives them all the opportunity to 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.359 get to kind of make the right decisions and figure 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:13.080 it out on their own. 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:14.040 Sure. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.639 Sure, what what do you think would be the worst 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.320 thing you could do for your dog or do to 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.639 your dog if you're trying to train this dog to 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:23.400 track blood. 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:27.960 Well that's a great question. I think probably running super 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.199 complicated tracks to begin with, and then your dog not 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.879 winning is probably a huge one. You know, people have this. 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.120 I don't know if this is true, but I've seen 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.200 a few folks try to run these really complex long 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.959 tracks with a bunch of right angles and crossing, you know, 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.080 different mediums, going from grass to gravel to woodland, and 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.320 then the dog doesn't find it, and then they get 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.639 super discouraged. There's no reward at the end. And then 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:50.640 if you reward them for not finding it, and you're 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.479 creating this terrible habbit of like oh if I just 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.520 if I'm out here, something that is going to happen 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.960 instead of I have to work for this. So I 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.000 think people and I was guilty of this when I started, 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.480 and I waghed a few good one hundred yards straight tracks. 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.480 She did great, and I'm like, cool, we're going for 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.520 five hundred yards and I'm gonna throw some turns in it. 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.840 And they was not good, Like it just did you know. 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.840 She just didn't. She didn't learn the rules early enough, 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.840 and so yeah, I had to kind of put an 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:17.960 end to that very quickly. But it's not not making 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.480 it too complicated in the beginning, like you must have 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.320 a bunch of victories over and over again and reinforced 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.200 that good things happen if you complete this correctly. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.320 Yeah, yeah, that's good advice. 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.240 I would I would definitely be the first one to 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.320 be like, all right, cool, you found it. Let's let's 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.600 make this interesting, you know, let's really learn. But but 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.000 like you said, let's give them lots of little victories 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.680 and then maybe work up to that slowly, let's work 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:45.560 up to those long ones. 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:45.920 Huh. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.520 Yeah, And I think that's what ball dog training, whether 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.680 you're training a bird dog or anything like that, it's just, yeah, 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280 you just gotta make it super fun and super rewarding 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.440 for him. Otherwise they're not dumb. I mean, they get bored, 0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.400 they realized that they could break the rules. So it's 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.520 just yeah, you've got to like really reinforce that in 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:03.000 the beginning. 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.040 Okay, now, how how often are you working with your 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.880 dog training on this or is it like once a 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:10.840 day once a week. 0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.560 Yeah, So I do a like obedience training with her 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.520 and just some some detection stuff every day. Just with 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.000 this breed, they're they're a lot of they're a handful. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.360 If I don't train her every day, she gets sable 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.960 probably get my couch. So I do about an hour 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.320 of obedience training every day that's going to I've got 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:32.959 a baseball field that I train at, So I take 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:34.920 her to the field and we do some healing and 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.760 you know, down commands and just some some basic obedience 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.560 stuff and then i'll lay a track. Nowadays, probably twice 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.880 a week that I'll do a little bit of a 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.320 longer track with her, and that's just to reinforce. I 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.920 might throw a you know, like a right hand turn 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.600 or two into it. But we're tracking a lot this season, 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.880 so I haven't been you know, I was doing daily 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.880 tracks in the beginning, you know, kind of some short 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.000 just some short quick tracks that go you know, lay 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:00.680 it in the morning and then take route four hours 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.000 later and launch and run the track and she wins 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.960 and to reinforce. But yeah, with the season being busy 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.120 and we've been on the road quite a bit, yeah, 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.840 maybe once or twice a week, I'll actually do a 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.400 practice track with her and then otherwise just every day, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.640 you know, our kind of fun obedient stuff. I'll throw 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.720 a todd we'll play a little play fight and stuff 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.320 like that, and that keeps her engaged and happy. 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.080 Okay, yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense. 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:27.640 I want to switch gears here for a minute, and 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:32.200 we're gonna do the Pendleton Whiskeys Q and A. This 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.160 this section sponsored by Pendleton Whiskey and And normally I 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:39.600 read a question from a listener, or play a question 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.480 from a listener, or I get something off of Facebook 0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:45.520 or Instagram. But this one this week. 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:45.920 Is for me. 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.400 This is a little self self serving here this week. 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.080 And plus I didn't have enough time to like put 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.400 anything out any quite any feelers out to see if 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.440 anybody wanted to ask you a question. 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.920 But so this one's for me as a hunter. 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.480 What are some things to do or not to do 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.520 if you've hit an animal, you can't find it, and 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.760 then you think, you know, I want to get. 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.960 A dog to recover it for me? What what? 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.480 What are some things you should do and what are 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.040 some some things you should definitely should not do before getting. 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:19.720 A dog on that track? 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.360 That is a million dollar question. That's the perfect question. 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.000 There's so much you can get right in this situation, 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:27.520 and there's a lot that you can do wrong that 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.000 can impede the dog. So we'll start with the right stuff. 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.640 You know, mark all of your blood. You know, if 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.200 you're using on X, it's off a point. Make sure 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.960 you get the hit side, first blood, last blood. You know, 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.240 be really specific about where you're finding stuff, and then 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.800 take photos of the blood is a huge one. You know, 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:48.280 if you're if you're tooting archery, if you recover the arrow, 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.800 take pictures of that, like you know, kind of play 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.000 CSI crime scene tech. Take a lot of photos, take notes, 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.960 mark stuff. The more data we have when we start 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.440 the track, you know, I think the better off we are. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.120 You know, reach out and reaped out and be prepared 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.280 to answer some questions. We're going to ask you stuff 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.120 like how far are you away from the trailhead, how 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.000 do we get to you, Where are you? You know, 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.680 how many people are you with? When did you shoot? 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.080 What did it sound like, what did the animal do? 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.280 What are you shooting? So we'll collect a bunch of 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.000 data as well, so kind of be prepared to answer 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.880 some questions and then some stuff not to do. And 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.440 the biggest thing is don't call twelve of your best 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.960 buddies and grad search for five hours, because you've taken 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.840 any of that cent and you've dispersed it over this giant, 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.880 kind of giant area and it's a really confusing for 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.560 the dog. I mean, I've watched her. Someone walked out 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.080 to a hit site in an alfalfa field, stepped in 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.520 some blood and walked back to their truck. And I 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.600 started around at back, and she followed that straight through 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.280 the truck, followed those bloody bootprints right back to the truck. 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:52.920 And I'm like, all right, we got to restart. And 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.080 I let her run it. I don't you know, I 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.120 didn't want to pull her off. But yeah, the more 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.280 people you get out in, the more time you spend 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.520 kind of grid searching and stomping around, you just spreading 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.920 scent all over the place, and they can work through it, 0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:05.520 but it just adds a ton of extra work for 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.920 the dog. So you're better off kind of going into 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.040 a clean so you know, mark everything back out and 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.320 then just this is common hunting stuff, but just don't 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.000 push it. We've had a lot of animals get pushed 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.640 this year after you know, liver shots or like kind 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:25.600 of a single lung you know, you know, quartering away, 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.280 shot it in the pocket, hit a long maybe hit 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.480 the far shoulder, and people are going in super soon 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.400 and bumping them. You know. We ran a track this year. 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.320 It was a three and a half mile track with 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.040 just a little bit of blood at the hit site 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.160 and then maybe we found one drop of blood a 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.320 mile in and then we hit a meadow when this 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.400 thing was gone. So three and a half miles seems 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.840 like a long way to track, but for a wound oul, 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.160 because that's up and moving, that's minutes, right, Yeah, So 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.200 just that like back out, be patient, you know, like 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:55.760 liver shot, it's okay to way twelve hours, we can 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:56.800 come the next day in track. 0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:57.640 Okay. 0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:58.600 I think that's it. 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:03.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great advice because I think I 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.800 think a lot of times people by the time they think, oh, 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.759 this is our last resort is to get a dog 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:09.040 on it. 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:10.680 We've grid searched for hours. 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.640 That's that's like the wrong The wrong mindset I think 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:21.880 is having all your buddies cover every square engine. Then 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.319 call the dog, like when it looks like it's a 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:25.799 bad hit and it's not going to be a great 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.840 blood trail, like you said, back out and get a 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.160 hold of dog. And then the way they have fresh, 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.600 fresh trail to run and it's probably going to be 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:34.880 a lot more effective. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.400 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.920 Absolutely. And another thing, don't worry about weather. If it rains, 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.720 it's better for the dob Wow. I don't know the science, 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.000 but whatever recosts to use or intensifies the sense. So like, 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.759 don't worry about weather, don't panic if it's raining or 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.000 drisaline or a little bit of snow. You know, the 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.719 dogs can still track. And for your example, that that 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.359 little dots from you know, leaping like a kyo through 0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.880 the snow. They the weather doesn't foller them. 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:03.160 Yeah, that's man, that's awesome. That's that's good information. 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:03.600 I think. 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:08.480 I think a lot of folks would would definitely not 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:10.520 do that, you know, they would definitely try to grid 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.399 search and all that before they found it. So that's 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:13.120 good information. 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.520 Yeah, so everyone you want to find your animal, I understand. 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.000 But yeah, yeah me give it a smart about it. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:20.120 Yep, give me some time. 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:29.800 Yeah. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.520 So during that film we talked a lot about this 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:38.320 organization called Rocky Mountain Big Game Recovery and it sounds 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:43.520 like a network of blood tracking folks. Can you can 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.399 you talk to talk about that a little bit? 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.680 Yeah? Absolutely, And you know, we touched on this in 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.239 the film. My friend Scott started this organization back in 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.040 twenty nineteen, uh, you know, and it's the catalyst was 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.680 him seeking a tracking dog and you know, kind of 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.000 getting to experience and it started training his own dogs, 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.160 and it was a way to get a group of 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.319 people together that are really passionate about tracking and make 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.280 it more accessible to the to the general public at large. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.000 You know, Like I think for a long time, tracking 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:12.759 was just hey, I know a guy, I know, a gal, 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.719 sort of word of mouth, people advertising at their local 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.200 hunting shop and stuff like this. But with Rocky mount 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.640 Big Recovery, it's uh, you know, on on the website, 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:23.640 we have a map that says find a tracker and 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.680 you can put in your zip code and it'll show 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.480 a map with the nearest tracker and their contact information, 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.160 so you can reach out and request the track. But 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.200 the nice thing is we all keep in contact. We 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.080 all have a WhatsApp running and a private Facebook page. 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.040 So if I say, like I can't track and share it, 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.320 and I've got another track of Jannah tracker of Janna 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.760 who's just a couple of hours away, I'll just say Janet, 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.040 can you come take this? And she'll come on the track. 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.960 So we've got a pretty robust network growing and very 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.319 seldomly are we not available to track for folks. So, 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.600 and it's just it's a lot of really good people. 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.040 You'll see some of them in the film where we're nerds. 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.759 We're really passionate about our dogs. It's a yeah, we're 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.560 a little bit a little bit crazy about it, but 0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.720 uh yeah, we love working our dogs, we love helping hunters. 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.600 We're all hunters. I mean, we're a hunting organization, and 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.600 so I think it's just a uh, you know, it's 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.680 just an active service that we all really enjoy being 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:19.120 a part of. 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:21.400 That's really cool. 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.040 Now I've seen like some ribbons and like sort of 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.000 do you like do you and your dog get certified 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.759 before you become like a member of the of the 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.520 trackers per se the network. 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.280 Yeah, you can. So there's an organization, United Blood Trackers, 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.879 and so they're kind of a bigger organization. They've got 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.800 folks all over the country, big presence in the Midwest, 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.239 and they do do certification programs. And you've got three 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.640 levels your UBT one, two, and three. One's pretty basic, 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.479 two's definitely a more challenging, and three is nuts. There's 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:58.640 like water crossings and stuff hidden in rivers and backtracking 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.239 and all kinds of it's sort of a I don't 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.200 know how many threes there are, but a lot more 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.719 prival ones for the UBT ones and twos, and so 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.399 you don't necessarily have to have a certification to offer 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.880 your tracking services. But when you do get your certification, 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.560 it shows up on the map that you're a certified tracker. 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.360 So I think it's a good way to let folks 0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.200 know all that you're serious about it. And then I 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.319 also just think it's fun to kind of run through 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.920 Downce your dog just to go have that experience. And 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.120 the judges are phenomenal, you know, we do. We did 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.680 our first annual Seminar LA I believe it was last 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.600 March down in now Bailey, Colorado, and so we ran 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.279 it out a big scout camp and we brought in 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.440 trackers small over the country. We had people drive all 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.800 the way from Florida, the Upper Midwest, the East Coast, 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.720 stayed at this branch and we did a bunch of certifications, 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.440 ran a bunch of dogs, and then did a big workshop. 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:49.520 We did everything from like, you know, we have a 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.480 woman in our group as a veterinarian, and she did 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.360 a how to care for your dog and gear breakdown 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.759 for stuff that happens in the field, a bunch of 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.919 regulation stuff, you know, different tracking training, and so yeah, 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.719 we're going to run down again in this spring and 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.480 try to bring people out and certify some more dogs 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:07.080 and get some more teams on the map. 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:09.160 Oh that's awesome. 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.719 I was looking at the website and I noticed that 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.520 it said that the date was to be determined still. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.080 But yeah, if anyone's interested in attending that, then do 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.000 they have to sign up ahead of time? Probably once 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.400 they determine what the date is, that probably be a 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.440 way to sign up and get your name on the list. 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:30.600 Yeah, and I think we should be sending that out 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.720 pretty shortly. I think we'll give them Mother's Day weekend. 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.080 So sorry everybody in the club if I was wrong 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.080 about that, but I know we had talked about it 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.480 in our last monthly meeting. And then yeah, you'll register. 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.480 And what's nice about this camp is it's got just 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.359 a ton of different cabins, so there's actually you can 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.400 get a place to stay. You can bring a camper, 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.359 you can bring an RV, you can pitch a tent, 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.600 but they've got cabins available, so you can run a 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.399 cabin out, have a place for you and your dog 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.759 and all your gear. And then there's the big main 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:59.600 hall where we do all the you know, workshops and lessons, 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.239 and then from there we'd run the tracks. It's all, 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.440 you know, a bunch of private national forest and we'll 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.239 run tracks and people will go certify. And you know, 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:08.600 we've got some folks that are going to go for 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.719 their Level one and two in the same weekend, so 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.840 they'll run two tests and I think we've got maybe 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:15.439 one or two folks that are going to go for three, 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.560 which I'm going to film that. That's going to be 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.080 a spectacle. It's a crazy long track with a bunch 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.520 of obstacles and yeah and looking forward to it. 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:28.239 Oh, that's that's incredible. It's just crazy how smart and 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.480 good dogs can really be at like following tracks, or 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.200 you see the drug dogs and all these different working 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.560 dogs that use their nose is to detect different things. 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:40.200 I've liked. 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.080 I've seen a thing where dog you were using a 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.960 dog to detect like sicknesses, different kind of sicknesses in 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.080 some way, it's like if they had cancer or something. 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.200 But it's just crazy or incredible that dogs. And I 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.680 always say this, like, I feel like people always estimate 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.799 underestimate dogs of how how intelligent they really are, and 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.759 I think this just really proves it absolutely. 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.080 Yeah, it's just, uh, you know, I think we try 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.200 to parallel what we can do versus what dogs can do. 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.040 Let sure, we smell things, but I don't I don't 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.560 think it's in the same league by any margin. When 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.120 these dogs are smelling, I imagine this whole world is, 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.600 you know, being created to them. They're they're seeing visually 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.080 what the scent leaves behind, and you know it's hard 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.759 to quantify that in our brains, but they just yeah, 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.760 and again, to watch these We've had some long tracks 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.799 where we've gone miles and you're starting to lose hope 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.080 and you're you're you're doubting your dog, and the hunters 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.000 are like, there's no way this is going to happen. 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.960 And then all of a sudden, there's a little drop 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:34.520 of blood on a log and you're like, this is 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.360 the smartest animal that's ever lived, Like, no question. It's 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.440 an incredible feeling to watch that happen. 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.120 Oh yeah, yeah. 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.440 So if I wanted to get a hold of a 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.240 of a tracker, I get on your the web Rocky 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.720 Mountain Big Game Recovery's website, I go to the map, 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.239 I type in my zip code, I try to find 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:58.160 a local somebody. What if there's nobody close by, how 0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:03.200 far will a tracker go to? Like there's like five 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.440 six hours is out like out of the question. 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.520 No, in fact, so you know, in conjunction with producing 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:13.200 this film, I was out in Colorado with some friends 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:14.960 at a camp and we were tracking from there. So 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.000 we basically all go in a central location and we 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.719 go off and there's a guy at a Missouri that 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.400 cashkill drive twelve hours to track to track where you 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.200 literally you'll go from like Steamboat, Colorado to mo app 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.719 in one shot to go track an animal and then drive. 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.200 Back like he's the wholy cow. 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.799 Yeah. Well, well, you know we've done I've done some 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.080 good like three hours one way track all day, drive 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.279 three hours back, and we just don't mind it. I mean, 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:42.160 it's it's just uh yeah, it's it's probably unhealthy, but 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.680 we get a lot of sask On satisfaction out of it. 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:45.800 Yeah. 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:47.879 Yeah, well yeah, you want to try probably take every 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.160 opportunity you can to get that dog out there and 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:52.520 let him do his work because it's probably really fun 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:53.000 for the dog. 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.640 Yeah, it's her favorite thing and they deserve but I 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.240 mean she deserves to work. That's like, you know, she's 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.000 brought a lot of way in my life. She's an 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.200 incredible companion, and it's just the least I can do 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.799 is give her an opportunity to do something that she 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.000 loves and that she I mean again, when I put 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.120 on her tracking arm, as she transformed, she becomes a 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.560 little Tasmanian devil. So she'll hid her harness on and 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:15.799 I'll be holding her back and she's just digging the 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.160 trench because she just wants to go and knowing that 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.319 she loves it that much. It's just h yeah, there's 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:22.799 no too far to drive for that. 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:25.839 Yeah, that's that's good. That's good news. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.040 That's good news because I could see somebody looking at 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.760 the map and be like, ah, that's like three hours away. 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.000 It probably they're probably not gonna I won't bother them. 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:34.879 I don't want to call them. 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:35.520 That's too far. 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.480 But yeah, chances if they're available, they probably would come. 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.040 Yeah, and I would recommend just reach out to somebody 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.359 on the map, because again, we all communicate with each other. 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.719 You know, there's I think there's a little over four 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.960 hit time of filming. We have about forty tracking teams 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.400 and the sort of Rocky Mountain West. We're all on 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.560 what's app. So if a track comes in, we push 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:56.480 it out to the What's Apple, put some details in 0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.760 there and like, hey, who can take this, and we'll 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.200 we aise with the or if we need to connect 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.719 them with the tracker. But even if you don't see 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.040 one nearby, just pick a person on the map, send 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.240 them a message and we'll get it out to the network. 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.880 I mean, we really do want to recover recover this 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.359 stuff for folks. We'll do everything we can to get 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:14.759 out there. 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.480 That's that's so awesome. 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.600 Every year I see on social media where somebody will 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.480 like on a like an ELK page or whatever, they'll say, hey, 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.600 does anybody know anyone that has tracking dogs? Or sometimes 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.120 somebody will send me a message and be like, hey, 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.239 I shot a bull and you know this is you 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.600 know what I've been finding and any any ideas what 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.200 I should do next, and kind of try to walk 0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.200 them through like if I were to be looking for 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.160 that animal, what I would do. But it's good to know, 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.640 like have that resource to recommend, say, hey, reach out 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.319 to these folks and see if if anybody can come 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:51.000 and help you. What what do they normally charge someone 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.560 to do that, to come out and try to find 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.040 you up for you or your deer or whatever it 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:55.759 is you're looking for. 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.440 Yeah, so we don't charge. We do work depending on 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.520 what Some states we can't do this, So depending on 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.600 where it's legal, we can accept it. You know, we 0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.120 can accept a gratuity if you're happy with our service 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.719 and you want to you know, provide a tip, gas money, 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.160 stuff like that, we can will graciously accept it. Again 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.160 if it's legal. Some states it's not in that case, 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.279 if you feel inclined, we do have a you know, 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:19.600 we're a nonprofit, so you can donate on the website 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.560 if you find the service valuable. But you know, we 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:25.239 don't charge, we don't have set rates, we don't have 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.359 a price list or anything like that. We'll come out, 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:29.680 we'll come out track for a candy bar if we 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:30.040 need to. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.480 Man, that's that's remarkable. That's that that just proves you know, 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:38.880 you guys are doing it for the right reasons. But 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:43.720 definitely i'd feel awful guilty. So they drove four hours 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.719 and spend half the night looking for my elk and 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.920 then at least pay for their gas, definitely make a 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.560 huge donation of some kind to the organization. 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.680 So yeah, that's really appreciated. But again it's just a 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.840 you know, like just one of my first tracks as 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:00.440 a new tracker. I found it both up for a 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.239 guy so I lived in myoming now over kind of 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.719 a boy the big horns, and this poor guy he 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.719 just he made a shot, he couldn't find it, and 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.719 he was just he was really distraught. It was a 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.759 nice elk. He'd been hunting that region his whole life. 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.960 It's his biggest alchemist life and it was gone. And 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.880 it's like a hot day thirty hours later, and it 0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:20.920 was it was a tough track. We had no blood 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.200 at the hit site. He had a busted arrow that 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.040 he's stuck in the ground about where he found it, 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:26.560 and there was no blood we could see. It was 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.720 kind of that that sag step. Yeah, and then grabbed 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.799 the arrow. I poured water on it and let her 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.879 kind of sniff it and just center and a long 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.440 track kind of. I gave up a little bit, he 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.480 gave up a little bit. Finally found a little bit 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.360 of blood, and then we topped a rise and his 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:46.359 elk was there. And just the the emotion that guy 0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:48.680 went through of seeing his elk that he thought he 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:50.879 would never see again. He thought he wasted this beautiful bowl, 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.360 Like that was enough for me. That was like she 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.120 was so excited that she found it. This guy was, 0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.439 you know, over the moon that we recovered his elk 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:02.000 like that. I probably felt just as strongly about finding 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.240 that elk as this guy did, and just so proud 0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:06.839 of my dog and so happy for him. So I mean, 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.080 that's that's really what that's what motivates us for sure. 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:16.279 Yeah, you guys are making a difference definitely out there, 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.840 and I keep Matt, I hope, I hope some people 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.600 hear this and listen to it, and number one want 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:25.040 to maybe get involved and train their dog and become 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.880 become a tracker, maybe become part of your guys's network. 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.120 That would be really cool just to have more people 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.120 out there doing it. And then I hope folks who 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.799 are listening if they get a pickle and just you know, 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.200 maybe lose an animal and now they have an alternative, like, hey, 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.120 I get I can get a hold of somebody and 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.800 we can recover this or have a good opportunity to 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.160 chance to recover it. 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.279 So absolutely yeah, and we could use more trackers. There's 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.400 the demand is rising, and you know, like with this, 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.040 with this film coming out, I think it's a really 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.359 good glimpse into the world of what we do, and 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.040 I just hope people see that they realize that resource 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.160 is there. But then again, you know, we can always 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.280 use more tracking teams. I think that as people become 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.840 more aware that this resource is available, they you know, 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:11.920 the demand's going to go up. And we'd love to 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:13.439 be able to never turn out of track It would 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.759 be great to be able to track everything everything that 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:16.800 comes across the network. 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:18.080 Yeah. 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.680 Now, if I wanted to come to your get together 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.560 at the Rocky Mountain Big Game recovery, what did they 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.480 call it, like just a rendezvous or something. 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.400 Yeah, it'll be our twenty twenty five spring rendezvous. 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.719 Okay, Now if I wanted to come, now, do my 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.239 dogs have to kind of know what they're doing or 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:39.759 or can people who are complete novices and don't have 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.080 never trained their dog yet they just want to see 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:43.520 what it's about bring their dog out? 0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:44.319 Can they do that? 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.560 Yeah? Absolutely, I think it's a great way to kind 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.719 of get introduced to the you know, kind of get 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.680 introduced to tracking. And then for me, the biggest thing 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.480 was just the people that are there that you can 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.400 kind of count on as a mentor. Like I was 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.960 really new. I went to this. I went to the 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.560 seminar with just a little bit of training. I'd obviously 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:06.480 never done any live recoveries yet, so I probably only 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.959 trained her for gosh, that was maybe a month into 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.440 having her in training her before we went out on 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:15.760 this thing, and just following following other people on their tracks, 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.040 like if you ask the handler, hey, can I just 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:22.440 observe your your certification. You'll learn so much by walking 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.359 behind that person and that dog, hearing the feedback from 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.200 the judge, just learning you know, how to read the 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:31.120 dogs and their behaviors. Yeah, if you're interested at all 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.320 in tracking, I think it's a really incredible way to 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.360 to Hey, just see what it's all about, see what's involved. 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.520 But then be just a network with people, you know, 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:40.840 maybe find a mentor find some people that might be 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.200 nearing you that you can go train with. I think 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.440 it's incredibly valuable. Even if you you know, you want 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.600 to leave the dog at home and just some have 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.040 that experience. I think there's a lot of value to that. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.239 But of course putting your dog. We love dogs, so 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:54.560 you're more than welcome to bring them. Yeah. 0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:56.320 Yeah, that's awesome. 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.000 I'm gonna have to definitely keep an eye out for 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.040 that because that might be if if I don't have 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.640 a schedule conflict, I'd like to maybe come come check 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:05.439 that out come and see what it's all about. 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.840 Oh, we'd love to have you, it'd be great. 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.960 Yeah, let's see. 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:16.040 All right, Well, I think that's gonna about wrap it up. 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.240 We've we've been on here for for fifty minutes, almost 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.440 an hour. If folks want to look you up, how 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:23.799 do they how do they get a hold of you? 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.120 Yeah, probably easiest. I'm on Instagram just at matt Yagin Photo, 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:33.279 and then my website's time on at media dot com okay. 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:38.080 And then the website for for Rocky Mountain Big Game 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.160 Recovery is Rockymountain Big Game Recovery dot org. 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.520 It looks like correct, you got it. 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.959 And I snooped around on that quite a bit now 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.880 so far. So yeah, if anybody is curious about that, 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.120 get on there and check it out. Any any closing 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.200 thoughts on on on Blood. 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:58.400 Tracking, I'd just say if anybody wants to watch that film, 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.480 I think it's really get intro to why we do 0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.560 what we do, and I think it does a good 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.640 job of highlighting the relationship we as handlers have with 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.400 our dogs. I mean that's the biggest part of it. 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.800 That film is available on the on the Pelican YouTube page, 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.520 so it's it's tracking in and it's sponsored by Pelican, 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.120 and it's uh gosh. I launched a couple of days ago, 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.000 so the film was out, and so far we've had 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.360 some some really good feedback on it. So you have 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:23.120 you want to learn more about the world of tracking 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.320 and see some of the personalities behind it. Suggests to 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.040 go take a look. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.640 Great, great, Yeah, I'll put a link in the description. 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:31.680 Yeah. 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.799 I encourage everybody to go watch it. I enjoyed it 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.319 so so well. 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.279 Thanks Matt, I appreciate you coming on, taking some time 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:38.960 out of your day. 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.280 To talk about dove tracking. 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:42.920 Well, thank you so much. Jrek, I appreciating having me on. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.120 Yep, thank you. 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:01.040 Never