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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and this week I have a filmmaker

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Speaker 1: with me here, Matt Gagman joining me.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Matt, Thank you, Derek, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: having me. I'm very excited to be here with you today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for coming on. You've man.

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Speaker 1: We've been trying to get together for the last I

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Speaker 1: don't know month, I think trying to get together.

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Speaker 3: It's like either you're on the road traveling or I'm

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Speaker 3: on the road.

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Speaker 1: Travel and it's been kind of tough to get together

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Speaker 1: and connect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a hectic fall and obviously with Hanan

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Speaker 2: and filming. Yeah, I'm glad we I'm glad we could

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Speaker 2: lock this in. It's a long time coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So how'd you get into filmmaking?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. It was kind of a little

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Speaker 2: bit later in life career change. I kind of started

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Speaker 2: my career in engineering, spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 2: the field and always had a camera with me, and

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Speaker 2: then kind of hit a point where I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get into more of a creative role and yeah, kind

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Speaker 2: of quarter let crisis. I had sold my home and

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Speaker 2: moved out West, and I brought some money, gear and

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Speaker 2: a camera with me and just kind of made a

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Speaker 2: trial and error to get started. Still did some contracting

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Speaker 2: for some companies back east while I figured out the

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Speaker 2: film side of it and started working on some small

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Speaker 2: projects down in Salt Lake City, kind of more commercial

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Speaker 2: stuff that Salt Lake's got a pretty big, you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of film and commercial world. And then yeah, I

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Speaker 2: eventually worked my way over to Meat Eater and worked

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Speaker 2: with all of you guys there for a little while.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, probably back in twenty twenty two, launched my

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Speaker 2: production company and I've been, you know, stead away at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice. So are you doing this full time?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeh, full time, So running Timeline Media and doing

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Speaker 2: a mix of pretty some of my own stuff and

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Speaker 2: then filming some some sort of hunting television content for

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Speaker 2: some other shows as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you find it it's easy to stay

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Speaker 1: busy as a filmmaker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been really fortunate. I think that I kind

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Speaker 2: no shortage of work, particularly on the TV side of things,

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Speaker 2: you know, filming some some hunting television shows. I think

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Speaker 2: once you kind of get established in that world and

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Speaker 2: make some connections and people know that you can tag

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Speaker 2: along on a hunt and sort of be an asset,

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Speaker 2: then there's a lot of work available. But yeah, took

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Speaker 2: a little bit to build up that network, but definitely

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Speaker 2: stay busy.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, probably a lot of word of mouth that

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Speaker 1: goes on there. You know, once you do a few

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Speaker 1: gigs and they're like, yeah, that guy's great, and he

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Speaker 1: knows when to move and when not to move, and like,

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Speaker 1: hunting is so different than filming other projects.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's multi fi.

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Speaker 1: Said, your inclement weather, you're trying to stay hidden from

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Speaker 1: an animal, and then once the SHOT's made, then sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's not over right, you know, whether it's tracking animals

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Speaker 3: It seems like it's it's.

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Speaker 1: A pretty pretty pretty pretty big deal. Like it's it's

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Speaker 1: not just you know, turn on the camera and pushing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're definitely a part of the hunt more so

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Speaker 2: than you get you know, you're filming other content or

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Speaker 2: you're filming other projects. You're sort of outside of it,

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Speaker 2: but filming hunts, you're very much there. I mean, whether

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Speaker 2: it's a you know, spotting stock couse hunt. I filmed

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Speaker 2: an archery couse hunt in Arizona last year and that

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Speaker 2: was incredibly challenging and we were successful in the first day,

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Speaker 2: is actually, you know, stalking in five hundred yards on

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Speaker 2: much immersed in the hunt, or you're sitting in a

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I was, well, I follow you on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: I saw where you were promoting a film, you know,

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Speaker 1: your latest film called Tracking, a Canine Film. So then

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Speaker 1: I got on YouTube and I gave it a watch,

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Speaker 1: and man, it was a really cool, really cool film.

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Speaker 1: And I've I've had lots of like interest and questions

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Speaker 1: about tracking dogs over the years, like as a as

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes shots are not ideal and they go,

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Speaker 1: on one of those kind of track jobs, you're just

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Speaker 1: like wondering, like, man if I had a track dog,

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Speaker 3: What could happen? How effective are they can? Man?

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Speaker 1: I wish I had one, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So watching that film, I was like, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: so cool. So I thought I definitely wanted to reach

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Speaker 1: out and kind of pick your brain about tracking dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I appreciate you watching the film. That

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Speaker 2: was definitely a you know, a passion project. I have

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Speaker 2: a I have a Belgium my own law that in

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Speaker 2: conjunction with developing the film, I taught her out of

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Speaker 2: blood track. So I got this dog and you know,

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Speaker 2: looking for a task and purpose for her. This breed

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Speaker 2: actually filmed a track with Mark Nny and that was

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Speaker 2: the first time that I ever saw tracking dogs in action.

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Speaker 2: We were down in Alabama and Mark made a good shot,

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Speaker 2: I just I thought it was the coolest thing I've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. It's such an incredible resource. And then the

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Speaker 2: handler sort of dog relationship I think is really incredible.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I grew up with hounds, you know,

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Speaker 2: way more intimate. And Yeah, it's just an incredible resource.

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Speaker 2: And through the film, I wanted to just highlight that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: It kind of showed through it, like there was some

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Speaker 1: interview sections through there, and you know, different handlers talking

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Speaker 2: Since a Belgian mallin law's kind of a like a

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Speaker 2: so she's just uh, you know, they're used in protection

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Speaker 2: You know, I rescued her so that I think she

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Speaker 2: about eight months now, Okay, yeah, so she had a

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Speaker 2: She was picked up on the streets in Wisconsin, totally

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Speaker 2: yeah when he got her and then you know, kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that was gonna be one of my

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean people will start puppies

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Speaker 2: So I had a little bit of experience with tracking beforehand,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so with the sort of the American should

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Speaker 2: Center IGP tracking. These again, these are like what do

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Speaker 2: dog sport organizations. You'll use their favorite treat and in

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Speaker 2: my case, she gets to a raw only diet. So

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Speaker 2: group about about breeds so that a really popular breed

439
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,160
Speaker 2: is not that far from your French bulldog which are docsins.

440
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 2: So there is a ton of tracking there. You saw

441
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,199
Speaker 2: in the film a little Lucy there, that little that

442
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,919
Speaker 2: little Doxy that my buddy Scott owns. She's an incredibly

443
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 2: accomplished tracking dog and she's tenacious. I mean you think

444
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 2: a dog bad size would run out of steam pretty quick.

445
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 2: She's like a little ferret through the through the brush

446
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 2: and she's unbelievable. So so docsins are really popular. You

447
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 2: see a lot of catahulas, You see a lot of

448
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 2: the Bavarian mountain hounds and become a pocket but I

449
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 2: don't know if you've see those. They were smaller around.

450
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 2: They're really cool looking little dogs, and uh, that's getting popular.

451
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 2: A few point of your dogs. You know, we've got

452
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 2: a couple of German shepherds. I know there's a gal

453
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: as a mall and loss so similar kind of the

454
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 2: shepherd breeds. But there's a huge variety. I mean, people

455
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 2: run like anything you can imagine. I mean you've got

456
00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: your your bird dogs and your retrievers. It's a big mix.

457
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 2: But primarily you see a lot of Docssly enough.

458
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: I watched a video shoot. I don't even know where

459
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 1: I seen it, maybe on a forum. This was probably

460
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: even before Facebook, right, this is on one of the

461
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: hunting forums back when that's what we did. And somebody

462
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: had put a posted a picture of their buck and

463
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: the story how you know that they shot it? And

464
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 1: it's just starts snowing like crazy. And it came in

465
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: a huge snow that night, and it snowed like put

466
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: down like a foot and a half two feet of

467
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 1: snow and drifts. And they had called someone, a local

468
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: person who had a tracking dog. When it shows up,

469
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a long haired docs and right this

470
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: this dog looks like it has no business being in

471
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: snow number one or tracking anything, right yeah, And they

472
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: made a little video about it. In fact, and this dog,

473
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean this, there's no way you're gonna find this deer.

474
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: And that little dog it would just like sniffing, It

475
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: sniffed and then just start kind of leaping, leaping through

476
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 1: the snow. It could barely even get through the snow.

477
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: It is the funniest thing to watch it work. And

478
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: it found that deer. It was completely covered in snow.

479
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: It didn't there wasn't even an antler sticking out. And

480
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: it found that deer like a day and a half later.

481
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty incredible for such a

482
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: neat little dog to be able to find that.

483
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is. It's remarkable just the time that

484
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: silks are finding animals. After a meeting, we've got thirty

485
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 2: and forty hour later tracks. It's just truly what these

486
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: dogs can. You know, you can go online and try

487
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 2: to look up there's all these statistics and figures about

488
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 2: how much more powerful their sense of smell is, and

489
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's exponentially more, but I think it works

490
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: in a different way than ours ours does too, you know,

491
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: I imagine it's like someone put it really eloquently, as

492
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: it's like they're they're like painting a scene in their

493
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 2: mind every time they smell something, whereas you know, we

494
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 2: smell something it's an odor, we try to correlate what

495
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: it is there. It's opening up this whole visual to

496
00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: them and really watching these dogs track on very little signs,

497
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: very little scent. You know, you may have a few

498
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: spots of blood over a few miles, and these dogs

499
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: can just find stuff. I mean, it's really that's the

500
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: biggest part of doing this tracking is just watching them

501
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: be successful. And it's just it's kind of otherworldly how

502
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: good they are at it.

503
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: So what's the best thing you can do with your dog?

504
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: To like, the best thing you can do with your dog,

505
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: whether it's like, okay, I noticed one guy on the

506
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: film said, you know, it's imperative is spend as much

507
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: time with your dog as you can. You know, maybe

508
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: not even like working tracking, just getting to know each other,

509
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: getting to know each other's quirks, personalities and stuff. Would

510
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: you consider that be a pretty high I think like

511
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: one of the best things you can do with your dog.

512
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, whether you're tracking or whether you're

513
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: just building a relationship. And you know, I'm part of

514
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: a working dog clubs, so we spend a lot of

515
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: time training our dogs. And in the beginning, when you

516
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: get a dog, we say this over and over again,

517
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: is just engagement. You're engaging with your dog. You know,

518
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 2: before we do any kind of obedience or know, any

519
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: kind of high level stuff, you're just you're playing with

520
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: your dog. You're interacting with your dog, maybe as simple

521
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: as like you're walking and you've got treats in your hand,

522
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: and if your dog looks at you once they did

523
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: a treat and then they start correlating, they're like, hey,

524
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: you're the you're the provider of great things, and that

525
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: bond develops. And then when it comes to tracking, I

526
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: think that's the same thing. It's you know, run a

527
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: lot of tracks, you know, practice tracks are great. Get

528
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: get someone to run blind tracks for you. That's when

529
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: I really started to make progress is getting other people

530
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: to run tracks so I don't have that confirmation bias

531
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: of like no, no, I know it's over here. And

532
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: then it's just just time behind your dog. Like you know,

533
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: there's some trappers that may be a little bit more

534
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 2: selective later in the season, while the tracks they take

535
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 2: just based on data collected from owners like oh this

536
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a fatal shout out it's far away.

537
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: But initially like I will take every tracking call. I

538
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: don't care if they're like I see it dead. I

539
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: just want to get behind her and watch how she indicates,

540
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: how she moves, how she corrects herself, and how she

541
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: corrects me. Like typically I think if the dog does

542
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: something wrong, I just by to fall blame myself as

543
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: the handler, like they know what they're doing. I'm interfering

544
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: some way. So yeah, just the more time you can

545
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: spend with your dog and then behind your dog on

546
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: a track, you know, you just develop that trust. And

547
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: that's like the key takeaway is just trusting your dog.

548
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: We say that that's our mantra over and over again.

549
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: It's just trust your dog they know what they're doing,

550
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: or just along for the ride. And even we get

551
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: some hounters that are like, I'm pretty sure it went

552
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: to the left, and I'm like, he wants to go

553
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: to the ride. I'm just gonna follow her. If I

554
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: start questioning her, this isn't gonna work. So I'm just

555
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: gonna go with my dog and you know, we can

556
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: meet back up whatever. And she she's not wrong. Yeah,

557
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: So it's just it's just trusting that and being able

558
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: to like kind of, you know, advocate for your dog.

559
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: Now as you're tracking, are you like, are you like

560
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: coaxing the dog, encouraging the dog? Are you just like,

561
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: once she gets the scent, you're like, Okay, I'm just

562
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna let her work.

563
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just along for the ride. I try not

564
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: to to. We have some little stuff and you know,

565
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 2: I'll and I'll add a caveat to this whole thing.

566
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: This is my first whole season tracking, so I'm relatively

567
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: new to this. We've had some great recoveries, we've had

568
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: some non recoveries that turned out to be non fatal.

569
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: But I'm still learning this process. But I'm really fortunate

570
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: to have a great network of people that I've trained

571
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: with and then have helped me. And you know, early on,

572
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: i'd once in practice tracks and you're like, hey, you're

573
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: pushing your dog. So I track on a thirty foot lead,

574
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: and if I'm not at the end of that thirty

575
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: foot lead, I'm I'm probably pushing my dog. So like,

576
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: if she's you know, she stops and she's air scenting,

577
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: or if she's indicating or sniffing and I walked up

578
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: on her, there's a potential that I'm going to push

579
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: her forward and kind of break her concentration off that track. So,

580
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, once I give her the command I used

581
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: to you know, geremany command Sue could go find it,

582
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: she takes off. I let her run out to the

583
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: end of that thirty feet she starts tracking. I put

584
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: a little back tension on it just to kind of

585
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: keep her drive up. She's pulling a little bit, and

586
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: then I just stay back and let her work and

587
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: if she needs to, you know, if she needs to,

588
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: you know, go to the edges of the scent pool.

589
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: She may you know, track a little bit to the right,

590
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: in a little bit to the left to kind of

591
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: get where that concentrated sign is I just letter work

592
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: through it and then off we go. So yeah, I

593
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: try not to. I try not to. I try not

594
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: to interfere, you know, if not much or if not all.

595
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: I wondered about that long tracking lead too, because I

597
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: noticed in that film a lot of the dogs had

598
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: a really long tracking lead.

599
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, that's that's a.

600
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Lot longer than I would have anticipated. But but I

601
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: don't know a thing about it. So that's interesting, which

602
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. You want to let you want to kind

603
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: of you don't want to interfere it, right, you don't.

604
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: You want to let them kind of figure it out

605
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: and not distract them.

606
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: So that's good.

607
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we all have our biases, like you know,

608
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: all of the like you know, uh, got your iDeer

609
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: goes to water every time we'll get out to Uncle

610
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: Uphill and there's all it's like weird little you know,

611
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: we kind of get a bias. You look at the

612
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: landscape and you're like, well, it probably went that way,

613
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: but we don't know that at all. So if you're

614
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: up and you're pushing your dog, you could be pushing

615
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: them off the track simply because you think you know

616
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: more than you know, a dying elk or a blood

617
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: tracking dog. So yeah, getting back that, you know, getting

618
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: back at thirty feet and just letting them work through,

619
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: and I think just gives them all the opportunity to

620
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: get to kind of make the right decisions and figure

621
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: it out on their own.

622
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: Sure.

623
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: Sure, what what do you think would be the worst

624
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: thing you could do for your dog or do to

625
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: your dog if you're trying to train this dog to

626
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: track blood.

627
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Well that's a great question. I think probably running super

628
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: complicated tracks to begin with, and then your dog not

629
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: winning is probably a huge one. You know, people have this.

630
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true, but I've seen

631
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: a few folks try to run these really complex long

632
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 2: tracks with a bunch of right angles and crossing, you know,

633
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: different mediums, going from grass to gravel to woodland, and

634
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: then the dog doesn't find it, and then they get

635
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: super discouraged. There's no reward at the end. And then

636
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: if you reward them for not finding it, and you're

637
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 2: creating this terrible habbit of like oh if I just

638
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: if I'm out here, something that is going to happen

639
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: instead of I have to work for this. So I

640
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: think people and I was guilty of this when I started,

641
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: and I waghed a few good one hundred yards straight tracks.

642
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: She did great, and I'm like, cool, we're going for

643
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: five hundred yards and I'm gonna throw some turns in it.

644
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: And they was not good, Like it just did you know.

645
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: She just didn't. She didn't learn the rules early enough,

646
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I had to kind of put an

647
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: end to that very quickly. But it's not not making

648
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: it too complicated in the beginning, like you must have

649
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of victories over and over again and reinforced

650
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: that good things happen if you complete this correctly.

651
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good advice.

652
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: I would I would definitely be the first one to

653
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: be like, all right, cool, you found it. Let's let's

654
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: make this interesting, you know, let's really learn. But but

655
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: like you said, let's give them lots of little victories

656
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: and then maybe work up to that slowly, let's work

657
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: up to those long ones.

658
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Huh.

659
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what ball dog training, whether

660
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: you're training a bird dog or anything like that, it's just, yeah,

661
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: you just gotta make it super fun and super rewarding

662
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: for him. Otherwise they're not dumb. I mean, they get bored,

663
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: they realized that they could break the rules. So it's

664
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: just yeah, you've got to like really reinforce that in

665
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: the beginning.

666
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Okay, now, how how often are you working with your

667
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: dog training on this or is it like once a

668
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: day once a week.

669
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do a like obedience training with her

670
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: and just some some detection stuff every day. Just with

671
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: this breed, they're they're a lot of they're a handful.

672
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: If I don't train her every day, she gets sable

673
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: probably get my couch. So I do about an hour

674
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: of obedience training every day that's going to I've got

675
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 2: a baseball field that I train at, So I take

676
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: her to the field and we do some healing and

677
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: you know, down commands and just some some basic obedience

678
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: stuff and then i'll lay a track. Nowadays, probably twice

679
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: a week that I'll do a little bit of a

680
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: longer track with her, and that's just to reinforce. I

681
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: might throw a you know, like a right hand turn

682
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: or two into it. But we're tracking a lot this season,

683
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: so I haven't been you know, I was doing daily

684
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: tracks in the beginning, you know, kind of some short

685
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: just some short quick tracks that go you know, lay

686
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: it in the morning and then take route four hours

687
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: later and launch and run the track and she wins

688
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: and to reinforce. But yeah, with the season being busy

689
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: and we've been on the road quite a bit, yeah,

690
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: maybe once or twice a week, I'll actually do a

691
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: practice track with her and then otherwise just every day,

692
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, our kind of fun obedient stuff. I'll throw

693
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: a todd we'll play a little play fight and stuff

694
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: like that, and that keeps her engaged and happy.

695
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense.

696
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: I want to switch gears here for a minute, and

697
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the Pendleton Whiskeys Q and A. This

698
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: this section sponsored by Pendleton Whiskey and And normally I

699
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: read a question from a listener, or play a question

700
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: from a listener, or I get something off of Facebook

701
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: or Instagram. But this one this week.

702
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: Is for me.

703
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: This is a little self self serving here this week.

704
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: And plus I didn't have enough time to like put

705
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: anything out any quite any feelers out to see if

706
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: anybody wanted to ask you a question.

707
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: But so this one's for me as a hunter.

708
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: What are some things to do or not to do

709
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: if you've hit an animal, you can't find it, and

710
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: then you think, you know, I want to get.

711
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: A dog to recover it for me? What what?

712
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: What are some things you should do and what are

713
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: some some things you should definitely should not do before getting.

714
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: A dog on that track?

715
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: That is a million dollar question. That's the perfect question.

716
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: There's so much you can get right in this situation,

717
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: and there's a lot that you can do wrong that

718
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: can impede the dog. So we'll start with the right stuff.

719
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: You know, mark all of your blood. You know, if

720
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: you're using on X, it's off a point. Make sure

721
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: you get the hit side, first blood, last blood. You know,

722
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: be really specific about where you're finding stuff, and then

723
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: take photos of the blood is a huge one. You know,

724
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: if you're if you're tooting archery, if you recover the arrow,

725
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: take pictures of that, like you know, kind of play

726
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: CSI crime scene tech. Take a lot of photos, take notes,

727
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: mark stuff. The more data we have when we start

728
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: the track, you know, I think the better off we are.

729
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, reach out and reaped out and be prepared

730
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: to answer some questions. We're going to ask you stuff

731
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: like how far are you away from the trailhead, how

732
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: do we get to you, Where are you? You know,

733
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: how many people are you with? When did you shoot?

734
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: What did it sound like, what did the animal do?

735
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: What are you shooting? So we'll collect a bunch of

736
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: data as well, so kind of be prepared to answer

737
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: some questions and then some stuff not to do. And

738
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is don't call twelve of your best

739
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: buddies and grad search for five hours, because you've taken

740
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: any of that cent and you've dispersed it over this giant,

741
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: kind of giant area and it's a really confusing for

742
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: the dog. I mean, I've watched her. Someone walked out

743
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: to a hit site in an alfalfa field, stepped in

744
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: some blood and walked back to their truck. And I

745
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: started around at back, and she followed that straight through

746
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: the truck, followed those bloody bootprints right back to the truck.

747
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, we got to restart. And

748
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: I let her run it. I don't you know, I

749
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: didn't want to pull her off. But yeah, the more

750
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: people you get out in, the more time you spend

751
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: kind of grid searching and stomping around, you just spreading

752
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: scent all over the place, and they can work through it,

753
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: but it just adds a ton of extra work for

754
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: the dog. So you're better off kind of going into

755
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: a clean so you know, mark everything back out and

756
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: then just this is common hunting stuff, but just don't

757
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: push it. We've had a lot of animals get pushed

758
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: this year after you know, liver shots or like kind

759
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: of a single lung you know, you know, quartering away,

760
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: shot it in the pocket, hit a long maybe hit

761
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: the far shoulder, and people are going in super soon

762
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: and bumping them. You know. We ran a track this year.

763
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: It was a three and a half mile track with

764
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: just a little bit of blood at the hit site

765
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: and then maybe we found one drop of blood a

766
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: mile in and then we hit a meadow when this

767
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: thing was gone. So three and a half miles seems

768
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: like a long way to track, but for a wound oul,

769
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: because that's up and moving, that's minutes, right, Yeah, So

770
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: just that like back out, be patient, you know, like

771
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: liver shot, it's okay to way twelve hours, we can

772
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: come the next day in track.

773
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

774
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: I think that's it.

775
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great advice because I think I

776
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of times people by the time they think, oh,

777
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: this is our last resort is to get a dog

778
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: on it.

779
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: We've grid searched for hours.

780
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: That's that's like the wrong The wrong mindset I think

781
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: is having all your buddies cover every square engine. Then

782
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: call the dog, like when it looks like it's a

783
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: bad hit and it's not going to be a great

784
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: blood trail, like you said, back out and get a

785
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: hold of dog. And then the way they have fresh,

786
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: fresh trail to run and it's probably going to be

787
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: a lot more effective.

788
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

789
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And another thing, don't worry about weather. If it rains,

790
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: it's better for the dob Wow. I don't know the science,

791
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: but whatever recosts to use or intensifies the sense. So like,

792
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: don't worry about weather, don't panic if it's raining or

793
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: drisaline or a little bit of snow. You know, the

794
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: dogs can still track. And for your example, that that

795
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: little dots from you know, leaping like a kyo through

796
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: the snow. They the weather doesn't foller them.

797
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's man, that's awesome. That's that's good information.

798
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: I think.

799
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks would would definitely not

800
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: do that, you know, they would definitely try to grid

801
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: search and all that before they found it. So that's

802
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: good information.

803
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everyone you want to find your animal, I understand.

804
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah me give it a smart about it.

805
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: Yep, give me some time.

806
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

807
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: So during that film we talked a lot about this

808
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: organization called Rocky Mountain Big Game Recovery and it sounds

809
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: like a network of blood tracking folks. Can you can

810
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: you talk to talk about that a little bit?

811
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, And you know, we touched on this in

812
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: the film. My friend Scott started this organization back in

813
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, uh, you know, and it's the catalyst was

814
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: him seeking a tracking dog and you know, kind of

815
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: getting to experience and it started training his own dogs,

816
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: and it was a way to get a group of

817
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: people together that are really passionate about tracking and make

818
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: it more accessible to the to the general public at large.

819
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: You know, Like I think for a long time, tracking

820
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: was just hey, I know a guy, I know, a gal,

821
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: sort of word of mouth, people advertising at their local

822
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: hunting shop and stuff like this. But with Rocky mount

823
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: Big Recovery, it's uh, you know, on on the website,

824
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: we have a map that says find a tracker and

825
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: you can put in your zip code and it'll show

826
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: a map with the nearest tracker and their contact information,

827
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: so you can reach out and request the track. But

828
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: the nice thing is we all keep in contact. We

829
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: all have a WhatsApp running and a private Facebook page.

830
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: So if I say, like I can't track and share it,

831
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: and I've got another track of Jannah tracker of Janna

832
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: who's just a couple of hours away, I'll just say Janet,

833
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: can you come take this? And she'll come on the track.

834
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: So we've got a pretty robust network growing and very

835
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: seldomly are we not available to track for folks. So,

836
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a lot of really good people.

837
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: You'll see some of them in the film where we're nerds.

838
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: We're really passionate about our dogs. It's a yeah, we're

839
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit crazy about it, but

840
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: uh yeah, we love working our dogs, we love helping hunters.

841
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: We're all hunters. I mean, we're a hunting organization, and

842
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: so I think it's just a uh, you know, it's

843
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: just an active service that we all really enjoy being

844
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: a part of.

845
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: That's really cool.

846
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Now I've seen like some ribbons and like sort of

847
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: do you like do you and your dog get certified

848
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: before you become like a member of the of the

849
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: trackers per se the network.

850
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. So there's an organization, United Blood Trackers,

851
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: and so they're kind of a bigger organization. They've got

852
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: folks all over the country, big presence in the Midwest,

853
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: and they do do certification programs. And you've got three

854
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: levels your UBT one, two, and three. One's pretty basic,

855
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 2: two's definitely a more challenging, and three is nuts. There's

856
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: like water crossings and stuff hidden in rivers and backtracking

857
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: and all kinds of it's sort of a I don't

858
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: know how many threes there are, but a lot more

859
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: prival ones for the UBT ones and twos, and so

860
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily have to have a certification to offer

861
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: your tracking services. But when you do get your certification,

862
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: it shows up on the map that you're a certified tracker.

863
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good way to let folks

864
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: know all that you're serious about it. And then I

865
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: also just think it's fun to kind of run through

866
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: Downce your dog just to go have that experience. And

867
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: the judges are phenomenal, you know, we do. We did

868
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: our first annual Seminar LA I believe it was last

869
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: March down in now Bailey, Colorado, and so we ran

870
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: it out a big scout camp and we brought in

871
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: trackers small over the country. We had people drive all

872
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: the way from Florida, the Upper Midwest, the East Coast,

873
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: stayed at this branch and we did a bunch of certifications,

874
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: ran a bunch of dogs, and then did a big workshop.

875
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: We did everything from like, you know, we have a

876
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: woman in our group as a veterinarian, and she did

877
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: a how to care for your dog and gear breakdown

878
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: for stuff that happens in the field, a bunch of

879
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 2: regulation stuff, you know, different tracking training, and so yeah,

880
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: we're going to run down again in this spring and

881
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: try to bring people out and certify some more dogs

882
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: and get some more teams on the map.

883
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.

884
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: I was looking at the website and I noticed that

885
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: it said that the date was to be determined still.

886
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, if anyone's interested in attending that, then do

887
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: they have to sign up ahead of time? Probably once

888
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: they determine what the date is, that probably be a

889
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: way to sign up and get your name on the list.

890
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we should be sending that out

891
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 2: pretty shortly. I think we'll give them Mother's Day weekend.

892
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: So sorry everybody in the club if I was wrong

893
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: about that, but I know we had talked about it

894
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: in our last monthly meeting. And then yeah, you'll register.

895
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: And what's nice about this camp is it's got just

896
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: a ton of different cabins, so there's actually you can

897
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: get a place to stay. You can bring a camper,

898
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: you can bring an RV, you can pitch a tent,

899
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: but they've got cabins available, so you can run a

900
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: cabin out, have a place for you and your dog

901
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: and all your gear. And then there's the big main

902
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: hall where we do all the you know, workshops and lessons,

903
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: and then from there we'd run the tracks. It's all,

904
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of private national forest and we'll

905
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: run tracks and people will go certify. And you know,

906
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: we've got some folks that are going to go for

907
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: their Level one and two in the same weekend, so

908
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: they'll run two tests and I think we've got maybe

909
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 2: one or two folks that are going to go for three,

910
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: which I'm going to film that. That's going to be

911
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: a spectacle. It's a crazy long track with a bunch

912
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: of obstacles and yeah and looking forward to it.

913
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's incredible. It's just crazy how smart and

914
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: good dogs can really be at like following tracks, or

915
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: you see the drug dogs and all these different working

916
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: dogs that use their nose is to detect different things.

917
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: I've liked.

918
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: I've seen a thing where dog you were using a

919
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: dog to detect like sicknesses, different kind of sicknesses in

920
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: some way, it's like if they had cancer or something.

921
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: But it's just crazy or incredible that dogs. And I

922
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: always say this, like, I feel like people always estimate

923
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: underestimate dogs of how how intelligent they really are, and

924
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: I think this just really proves it absolutely.

925
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, uh, you know, I think we try

926
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: to parallel what we can do versus what dogs can do.

927
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: Let sure, we smell things, but I don't I don't

928
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: think it's in the same league by any margin. When

929
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: these dogs are smelling, I imagine this whole world is,

930
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: you know, being created to them. They're they're seeing visually

931
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: what the scent leaves behind, and you know it's hard

932
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: to quantify that in our brains, but they just yeah,

933
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: and again, to watch these We've had some long tracks

934
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: where we've gone miles and you're starting to lose hope

935
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: and you're you're you're doubting your dog, and the hunters

936
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: are like, there's no way this is going to happen.

937
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, there's a little drop

938
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: of blood on a log and you're like, this is

939
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: the smartest animal that's ever lived, Like, no question. It's

940
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: an incredible feeling to watch that happen.

941
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

942
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: So if I wanted to get a hold of a

943
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: of a tracker, I get on your the web Rocky

944
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: Mountain Big Game Recovery's website, I go to the map,

945
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: I type in my zip code, I try to find

946
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: a local somebody. What if there's nobody close by, how

947
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: far will a tracker go to? Like there's like five

948
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: six hours is out like out of the question.

949
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: No, in fact, so you know, in conjunction with producing

950
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: this film, I was out in Colorado with some friends

951
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: at a camp and we were tracking from there. So

952
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: we basically all go in a central location and we

953
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: go off and there's a guy at a Missouri that

954
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: cashkill drive twelve hours to track to track where you

955
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: literally you'll go from like Steamboat, Colorado to mo app

956
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: in one shot to go track an animal and then drive.

957
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: Back like he's the wholy cow.

958
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, you know we've done I've done some

959
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: good like three hours one way track all day, drive

960
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: three hours back, and we just don't mind it. I mean,

961
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: it's it's just uh yeah, it's it's probably unhealthy, but

962
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: we get a lot of sask On satisfaction out of it.

963
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

964
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, you want to try probably take every

965
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: opportunity you can to get that dog out there and

966
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: let him do his work because it's probably really fun

967
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: for the dog.

968
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's her favorite thing and they deserve but I

969
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: mean she deserves to work. That's like, you know, she's

970
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: brought a lot of way in my life. She's an

971
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: incredible companion, and it's just the least I can do

972
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: is give her an opportunity to do something that she

973
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: loves and that she I mean again, when I put

974
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: on her tracking arm, as she transformed, she becomes a

975
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: little Tasmanian devil. So she'll hid her harness on and

976
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: I'll be holding her back and she's just digging the

977
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: trench because she just wants to go and knowing that

978
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: she loves it that much. It's just h yeah, there's

979
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: no too far to drive for that.

980
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's good. That's good news.

981
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: That's good news because I could see somebody looking at

982
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: the map and be like, ah, that's like three hours away.

983
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: It probably they're probably not gonna I won't bother them.

984
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to call them.

985
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: That's too far.

986
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, chances if they're available, they probably would come.

987
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would recommend just reach out to somebody

988
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: on the map, because again, we all communicate with each other.

989
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: You know, there's I think there's a little over four

990
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: hit time of filming. We have about forty tracking teams

991
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: and the sort of Rocky Mountain West. We're all on

992
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: what's app. So if a track comes in, we push

993
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: it out to the What's Apple, put some details in

994
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: there and like, hey, who can take this, and we'll

995
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: we aise with the or if we need to connect

996
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: them with the tracker. But even if you don't see

997
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: one nearby, just pick a person on the map, send

998
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: them a message and we'll get it out to the network.

999
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we really do want to recover recover this

1000
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: stuff for folks. We'll do everything we can to get

1001
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: out there.

1002
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: That's that's so awesome.

1003
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: Every year I see on social media where somebody will

1004
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: like on a like an ELK page or whatever, they'll say, hey,

1005
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: does anybody know anyone that has tracking dogs? Or sometimes

1006
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: somebody will send me a message and be like, hey,

1007
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: I shot a bull and you know this is you

1008
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: know what I've been finding and any any ideas what

1009
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I should do next, and kind of try to walk

1010
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: them through like if I were to be looking for

1011
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: that animal, what I would do. But it's good to know,

1012
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: like have that resource to recommend, say, hey, reach out

1013
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: to these folks and see if if anybody can come

1014
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: and help you. What what do they normally charge someone

1015
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: to do that, to come out and try to find

1016
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: you up for you or your deer or whatever it

1017
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: is you're looking for.

1018
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we don't charge. We do work depending on

1019
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: what Some states we can't do this, So depending on

1020
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: where it's legal, we can accept it. You know, we

1021
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: can accept a gratuity if you're happy with our service

1022
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: and you want to you know, provide a tip, gas money,

1023
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: stuff like that, we can will graciously accept it. Again

1024
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: if it's legal. Some states it's not in that case,

1025
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: if you feel inclined, we do have a you know,

1026
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: we're a nonprofit, so you can donate on the website

1027
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: if you find the service valuable. But you know, we

1028
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: don't charge, we don't have set rates, we don't have

1029
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: a price list or anything like that. We'll come out,

1030
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: we'll come out track for a candy bar if we

1031
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: need to.

1032
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Man, that's that's remarkable. That's that that just proves you know,

1033
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you guys are doing it for the right reasons. But

1034
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: definitely i'd feel awful guilty. So they drove four hours

1035
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: and spend half the night looking for my elk and

1036
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: then at least pay for their gas, definitely make a

1037
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: huge donation of some kind to the organization.

1038
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's really appreciated. But again it's just a

1039
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, like just one of my first tracks as

1040
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: a new tracker. I found it both up for a

1041
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: guy so I lived in myoming now over kind of

1042
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: a boy the big horns, and this poor guy he

1043
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: just he made a shot, he couldn't find it, and

1044
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: he was just he was really distraught. It was a

1045
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: nice elk. He'd been hunting that region his whole life.

1046
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: It's his biggest alchemist life and it was gone. And

1047
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: it's like a hot day thirty hours later, and it

1048
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: was it was a tough track. We had no blood

1049
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: at the hit site. He had a busted arrow that

1050
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: he's stuck in the ground about where he found it,

1051
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: and there was no blood we could see. It was

1052
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 2: kind of that that sag step. Yeah, and then grabbed

1053
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: the arrow. I poured water on it and let her

1054
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: kind of sniff it and just center and a long

1055
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: track kind of. I gave up a little bit, he

1056
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: gave up a little bit. Finally found a little bit

1057
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: of blood, and then we topped a rise and his

1058
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: elk was there. And just the the emotion that guy

1059
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: went through of seeing his elk that he thought he

1060
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: would never see again. He thought he wasted this beautiful bowl,

1061
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: Like that was enough for me. That was like she

1062
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: was so excited that she found it. This guy was,

1063
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: you know, over the moon that we recovered his elk

1064
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: like that. I probably felt just as strongly about finding

1065
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: that elk as this guy did, and just so proud

1066
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: of my dog and so happy for him. So I mean,

1067
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: that's that's really what that's what motivates us for sure.

1068
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are making a difference definitely out there,

1069
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: and I keep Matt, I hope, I hope some people

1070
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: hear this and listen to it, and number one want

1071
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: to maybe get involved and train their dog and become

1072
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: become a tracker, maybe become part of your guys's network.

1073
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: That would be really cool just to have more people

1074
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: out there doing it. And then I hope folks who

1075
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: are listening if they get a pickle and just you know,

1076
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe lose an animal and now they have an alternative, like, hey,

1077
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I get I can get a hold of somebody and

1078
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: we can recover this or have a good opportunity to

1079
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: chance to recover it.

1080
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: So absolutely yeah, and we could use more trackers. There's

1081
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: the demand is rising, and you know, like with this,

1082
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: with this film coming out, I think it's a really

1083
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: good glimpse into the world of what we do, and

1084
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: I just hope people see that they realize that resource

1085
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: is there. But then again, you know, we can always

1086
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: use more tracking teams. I think that as people become

1087
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: more aware that this resource is available, they you know,

1088
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: the demand's going to go up. And we'd love to

1089
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: be able to never turn out of track It would

1090
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: be great to be able to track everything everything that

1091
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 2: comes across the network.

1092
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1093
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Now, if I wanted to come to your get together

1094
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: at the Rocky Mountain Big Game recovery, what did they

1095
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: call it, like just a rendezvous or something.

1096
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be our twenty twenty five spring rendezvous.

1097
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Now if I wanted to come, now, do my

1098
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: dogs have to kind of know what they're doing or

1099
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: or can people who are complete novices and don't have

1100
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: never trained their dog yet they just want to see

1101
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: what it's about bring their dog out?

1102
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: Can they do that?

1103
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I think it's a great way to kind

1104
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: of get introduced to the you know, kind of get

1105
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: introduced to tracking. And then for me, the biggest thing

1106
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: was just the people that are there that you can

1107
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: kind of count on as a mentor. Like I was

1108
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: really new. I went to this. I went to the

1109
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: seminar with just a little bit of training. I'd obviously

1110
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: never done any live recoveries yet, so I probably only

1111
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 2: trained her for gosh, that was maybe a month into

1112
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: having her in training her before we went out on

1113
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: this thing, and just following following other people on their tracks,

1114
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: like if you ask the handler, hey, can I just

1115
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: observe your your certification. You'll learn so much by walking

1116
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: behind that person and that dog, hearing the feedback from

1117
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: the judge, just learning you know, how to read the

1118
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: dogs and their behaviors. Yeah, if you're interested at all

1119
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: in tracking, I think it's a really incredible way to

1120
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: to Hey, just see what it's all about, see what's involved.

1121
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: But then be just a network with people, you know,

1122
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: maybe find a mentor find some people that might be

1123
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: nearing you that you can go train with. I think

1124
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: it's incredibly valuable. Even if you you know, you want

1125
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: to leave the dog at home and just some have

1126
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: that experience. I think there's a lot of value to that.

1127
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: But of course putting your dog. We love dogs, so

1128
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: you're more than welcome to bring them. Yeah.

1129
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.

1130
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to definitely keep an eye out for

1131
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: that because that might be if if I don't have

1132
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: a schedule conflict, I'd like to maybe come come check

1133
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: that out come and see what it's all about.

1134
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh, we'd love to have you, it'd be great.

1135
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see.

1136
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I think that's gonna about wrap it up.

1137
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: We've we've been on here for for fifty minutes, almost

1138
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: an hour. If folks want to look you up, how

1139
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: do they how do they get a hold of you?

1140
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably easiest. I'm on Instagram just at matt Yagin Photo,

1141
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: and then my website's time on at media dot com okay.

1142
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: And then the website for for Rocky Mountain Big Game

1143
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Recovery is Rockymountain Big Game Recovery dot org.

1144
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: It looks like correct, you got it.

1145
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: And I snooped around on that quite a bit now

1146
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: so far. So yeah, if anybody is curious about that,

1147
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: get on there and check it out. Any any closing

1148
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on on on Blood.

1149
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Tracking, I'd just say if anybody wants to watch that film,

1150
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: I think it's really get intro to why we do

1151
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: what we do, and I think it does a good

1152
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: job of highlighting the relationship we as handlers have with

1153
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: our dogs. I mean that's the biggest part of it.

1154
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 2: That film is available on the on the Pelican YouTube page,

1155
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: so it's it's tracking in and it's sponsored by Pelican,

1156
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: and it's uh gosh. I launched a couple of days ago,

1157
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: so the film was out, and so far we've had

1158
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: some some really good feedback on it. So you have

1159
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: you want to learn more about the world of tracking

1160
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: and see some of the personalities behind it. Suggests to

1161
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: go take a look.

1162
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Great, great, Yeah, I'll put a link in the description.

1163
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1164
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 3: I encourage everybody to go watch it. I enjoyed it

1165
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: so so well.

1166
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt, I appreciate you coming on, taking some time

1167
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: out of your day.

1168
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 3: To talk about dove tracking.

1169
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. Jrek, I appreciating having me on.

1170
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you.

1171
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: Never