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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Hello, And I

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Speaker 2: was on mute the whole time I was talking.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, Angela House.

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Speaker 2: Saying you all.

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Speaker 1: We were going to be joined by state represented in

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Speaker 1: the Cole call Yer, who is joining us live from

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Speaker 1: the House floor of Texas. As you can see, she

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Speaker 1: is being held hostage essentially by the Texas Department of

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Speaker 1: Public Safety. She represents District ninety five. Nicole, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Please tell us what is happening.

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Speaker 1: Why are you the sole member remaining on the House floor.

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Speaker 1: How did we get here?

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Speaker 4: So, Angela, thank you for having me on. You know,

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Speaker 4: when I start woke up this morning, it was my

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Speaker 4: intent to return to the Capitol with my colleagues in

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Speaker 4: the House, the Democrats, because we were successful in getting

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Speaker 4: California to agree to file maps that would counter or

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Speaker 4: neutralize the five seats that Trump asked Abbott, our governor

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Speaker 4: to pass. So we came back to Texas to continue

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Speaker 4: to fight. What that fight looked like, I didn't know

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Speaker 4: at the time, but when we got here there was

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Speaker 4: a call in the house, meaning that you can't leave

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Speaker 4: the floor unless you get a permission slip to leave,

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Speaker 4: like you're in high school.

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Speaker 3: And so what the speaker did was say.

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Speaker 4: That he said that anybody who wants to leave the

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Speaker 4: floor had to get a permission slip and be agreed

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Speaker 4: to be followed by a DPS officer to ensure your return.

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Speaker 4: Our return on Wednesday at ten am at the time.

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Speaker 4: In this moment, I disagree in my heart it's wrong.

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Speaker 4: This is so wrong. These maps are wrong. This is wrong,

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Speaker 4: and this is how I am resisting. I know that

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Speaker 4: it takes it only takes seventy six votes to pass

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Speaker 4: a bill. Here we only have sixty two Democrats, so

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Speaker 4: we know we're not going to win when it comes

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Speaker 4: down to voting. But I just can't stand by. In

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Speaker 4: my heart, this is wrong, and this is my way

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Speaker 4: of trying to express my resistance. I didn't intend to

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Speaker 4: do this. In fact, I'm not even prepared. I just

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Speaker 4: know that I'm here right now in this moment, and

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Speaker 4: I'm against it. And they know no bounds when it

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Speaker 4: comes to what they want. They want these maps so bad.

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Speaker 4: We were told that they're going to pass these maps

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Speaker 4: today we just got back restored Quorm.

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Speaker 3: It was restored.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't part of that initial restoration because I refuse

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Speaker 4: to help them get to any closer to what they want.

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Speaker 4: But because they have the numbers now, they have the

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Speaker 4: korum today at five o'clock, in less than fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 4: going to pass these maps and they'll probably be up

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Speaker 4: on the House for a vote for the full House

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Speaker 4: to vote on by Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And what do you say to the folks who would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is something that you walked into right

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Speaker 1: you were you were safer maybe when you were out

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Speaker 1: of Texas, and now because you went back to Texas,

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Speaker 1: you know that the governor was talking about creating unlawful

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Speaker 1: warrants to go and get you all. So when they

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Speaker 1: say what would you expect when you go back to

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Speaker 1: the House floor, what would you have expected?

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Speaker 2: What do you say to.

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Speaker 4: That, Well, it's not that I didn't expect them to

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Speaker 4: keep the call on the House, of course, but that

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I have to agree to it. I

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Speaker 4: knew that they were going to, you know, pass the maps,

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Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean that I just go along. I

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Speaker 4: mean I want them to know my constituents elected me

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Speaker 4: to be a fighter, and this is how I am fighting.

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not I'm not surprised so much, but

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Speaker 4: I'm disappointed. I wish more Democrats would have stayed with me,

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Speaker 4: uh and resisted, because that's a way to show. But

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Speaker 4: I'm getting a lot of support from my colleagues on this.

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Speaker 1: When you're saying you wish they would have stayed with you,

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Speaker 1: are you saying you wish that they wouldn't have agreed

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Speaker 1: to the parole officer? In e fact, having a DPS

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Speaker 1: member follow them. The permission slip that they had to

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Speaker 2: Is that what you mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just surprised nobody else thought to like refuse

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Speaker 3: to sign. I mean, why not?

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Speaker 1: Were there other members of the Texas Black Caucus who

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Speaker 4: Well, it's my understanding that those who did come all sign.

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Speaker 4: That's why they're not here.

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Speaker 2: How many how many Black legislators.

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Speaker 4: Returned, I'm not sure how many return I know Representatives

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Speaker 2: What made you come to the floor today, Well, there were.

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Speaker 4: Some rules that could have been passed if they didn't

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Speaker 4: have enough Democrats on the floor to fight against it.

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Speaker 4: So we had a certain number that we needed and

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Speaker 4: I was coming to fight to oppose and resist any

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Speaker 4: type of rule changes, but we needed a certain number

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Speaker 4: that's what I was coming back for, to prevent the

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Speaker 4: passage or the easy passage of changing of the rules

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Speaker 4: in the House.

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Speaker 1: What were the rule changes that they were try attempting

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Speaker 1: to pass today.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you have to have a bill to

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Speaker 4: lay out for about twenty four hours before you could

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Speaker 4: take it up on the floor, and so there was

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Speaker 4: a possibility that they could have suspended the constitutional rules

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Speaker 4: to do that and brought the bill up tomorrow morning

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Speaker 4: or you know, even later today. But we were able

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Speaker 4: to hold that and you know, prevent that from happening

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Speaker 4: because we had sufficient numbers. So that's what I came

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Speaker 4: back for. That was the way that we fought there.

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Speaker 4: But of course they have a lot of things that

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Speaker 4: they can do because they have the votes, and we

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Speaker 4: need more people to vote so that we can have

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Speaker 4: better outcomes for us. But this is my way of saying, no.

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Speaker 1: Where do you anticipate happening? So you didn't sign the

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Speaker 1: permission slip to have a DPS officer accompany you, Where

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Speaker 1: do you go from here? How long do you think

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Speaker 1: you'll be on the house floor? And what happens if

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Speaker 1: you defy that structure and you leave anyway?

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Speaker 2: What happens?

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Speaker 4: So we're set to come back Wednesday morning at ten am.

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Speaker 4: That's the next time the House is going to convene.

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Speaker 4: I anticipate that's when how long I'll be here unless

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Speaker 4: there's some change. I know that there's some lawyers, lawyers

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Speaker 4: working on a court order to have me released, so

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Speaker 4: to speak. So it's at least till Wednesday. And what

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Speaker 4: was your last question?

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Speaker 3: After that?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, well, and what do you I'll change it? Actually,

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Speaker 1: what do you anticipate happening between now and then? If

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Speaker 1: you were to leave without signing that permission slip?

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Speaker 2: What happens?

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Speaker 4: Could be subject to arrest? Yes, absolutely, I could be

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Speaker 4: subject to arrest. In fact, I did ask the DPS

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Speaker 4: told that I was not unless I signed the permission

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Speaker 4: be released into the custody of a DPS officer. I'm

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Speaker 4: not a criminal. I didn't do anything wrong. I have

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Speaker 4: a right to deny quorum. I have a right to resist.

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Speaker 4: Every one of us have a right to resist peacefully.

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Speaker 4: And when you see something that's wrong, you got to

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Speaker 4: stand up to it. We cannot in this state, in

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Speaker 4: this world, allow people to.

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Speaker 3: Just roll over us. So I mean, we've got to.

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Speaker 4: Display some form of resistance because if we don't, then

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Speaker 4: we'll wake up and things will be so different and

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Speaker 4: we won't have the ability to even use our voice.

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Speaker 3: So we've got to take a stand while we can.

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Speaker 1: Well, And let me ask you this, because I think

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Speaker 1: this is something that I'm very curious about. I was

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Speaker 1: one of the people saying I didn't think you all

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Speaker 2: I anticipated that they would go.

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Speaker 1: Above the law, beyond the law, all the ways that

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Speaker 1: we've seen vigilantes operate throughout American history. Right, I knew

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Speaker 1: that they were going to target you all the ways

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Speaker 1: that are unprecedented. And are you experiencing or feeling any

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Speaker 1: regret at coming back home to face this kind of

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Speaker 1: madness I think, which is almost worse than which experience leaving.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't regret coming back because we have to

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Speaker 4: set the record, get a legal record for the fight

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Speaker 4: if you don't. In order to deny quorum, you need

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Speaker 4: to make sure that there's less than one hundred. They

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Speaker 4: so I showed up once a quorum was established, and

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Speaker 4: I came here to fight, and I came here to

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, do as much as I can

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Speaker 4: in terms of trying to amend the bill, deny the bill, whatever.

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Speaker 4: But no, I don't regret coming back because they have

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Speaker 4: this racist gerrymandered map that they have set.

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Speaker 3: We're two blacks. There's going to be two black blacks.

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Speaker 4: That will lose their seat so and then they're trying

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Speaker 4: to pit the black and brown people. So in my area,

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Speaker 4: I represent an area in Arrant County and Congressman VC

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Speaker 4: Dallas County. His seat is on the chopping block, and

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Speaker 4: so what they intend to do is pit him against Latino.

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Speaker 4: And that's the way to drive a wedge into our communities.

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Speaker 4: The momentum that we're building together as the black and

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Speaker 4: are keeping it together because we know that this is

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Speaker 4: all uh uh. We know it's all smoke and mirrors

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Speaker 4: because it's they're trying to get more power. Another thing

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Speaker 4: is in terms of another seat in Houston, they are

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Speaker 4: that it's traditionally been held by African American and I

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Speaker 4: just we gotta do something about that. I mean, even

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Speaker 4: if they pass them, they're going I'm gonna go down swinging,

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Speaker 4: point blank. Even if i have to go down, I'm

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Speaker 4: swinging the whole way and I'm not going to give up.

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Speaker 3: And that's what my constituents sent me here.

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Speaker 1: For earlier, you referenced the California maps, the fact that

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Speaker 1: Governor Newsom has taken some action, and that was one

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Speaker 1: of the precursors for some of you at least to return.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to the people who say, that's

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Speaker 1: great for California, but what does that have to do

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Speaker 1: with folks who need representation from black and brown folks

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Speaker 1: in Texas. How do you respond to that?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what we're trying to do is in terms

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Speaker 4: of the national stage, to neutralize the five added Republican

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Speaker 4: by neutralizing it by gaining five Democratic seats in California

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Speaker 4: and hope that those Democrats that they get in California

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Speaker 3: That's what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to make sure that we can neutralize it

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Speaker 4: because we see what Trump is doing in terms of

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Speaker 4: reducing food access to food. Everything's going up, vegetables are

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Speaker 2: But while you're being held.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times people disagree on the means,

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Speaker 3: But it takes more than one to stay out with it.

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Speaker 1: Nicole Callier all the love on her Instagram and wherever

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Speaker 3: Well, my just Instagram. I don't. I'm on the house floor.

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Speaker 3: There's certain rules that we got to do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we are breaking some of them now.

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Speaker 3: So Instagram, wait, you see me?

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Speaker 4: Keep looking around because I'm like, uh, who comes?

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Speaker 2: Where can they reach you on Instagram?

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Speaker 3: Represent time at Nicole? Call your ninety five.

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Speaker 1: At Nicole, call your ninety five Okay, make sure y'all

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Speaker 1: State represented the cocaliear. We will see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Definitely keep us in the loop on what's going on.

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Speaker 1: For now, I am signing off, y'all. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: Mama Ris got chemo tomorrow, and so I'm gonna be

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