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Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Hey, welcome back to Ridiculous Romance.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm oh well, no after you, Yeah, after me?

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Speaker 1: How about you introduced me. That's Eli and this is

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Speaker 1: my lovely wife Diana.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know you were going to do fun descriptors.

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Speaker 2: I would have done something. Well, well, handsome darling husband, Eli.

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Speaker 1: That's lovely. I don't know why you need me to

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Speaker 1: prompt it, just to use some nice adjectives. Well, oh,

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Speaker 1: getting a real peak behind the veil today, everybody.

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Speaker 2: You have a very high self esteem and I don't

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Speaker 2: need to worry about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that what you think? Does that explain the

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Speaker 1: last few years?

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Speaker 2: In fact, I want to take you down a peck.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know I can't handle that. I'm

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Speaker 1: very unstable.

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Speaker 2: Well I know that's why I'm not very mean to you. Well, hey,

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Speaker 2: watch you.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, real peak behind This is what it's

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Speaker 1: like when the mics aren't on. No, we've been having

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Speaker 1: a good time over here, haven't we. Yeah, going out

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Speaker 1: to a friend's birthday. Get to that age where birthday

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Speaker 1: parties take place during the day, Yeah they do.

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Speaker 2: It's even just grown people with no children, and it's

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Speaker 2: still like look, I'm good from three to seven pm.

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Speaker 2: And that's about as much as you're gonna get from me.

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Speaker 1: I told her. I was like, I, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we'll be out too late because you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot of work to do. And she's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be out late. It's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're all older now.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I like being out late. Yeah. If I

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Speaker 1: day after a party, I could go late. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 2: With that, and I stay up late at home all

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Speaker 2: the time. I mean it's just the idea of like

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Speaker 2: full face of makeup, nice outfit until two am.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we're happening. Yeah, we ain't going to

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Speaker 1: bed at nine pm.

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Speaker 2: What I call it revenge bedtime.

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Speaker 1: Procrastination, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, where it's.

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Speaker 2: Like you're not having enough free time or personal time.

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Speaker 1: Or whatever during today. Yeah, so you.

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Speaker 2: Just like make yourself stay up even if you're not

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Speaker 2: even doing anything you want to do, just like scrolling

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Speaker 2: on your phone.

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Speaker 1: I'll teach you bring for being busy all day. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ruin your night.

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Speaker 2: I mean like, Okay, that's only going to hurt you.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and it does and does well. Speaking of revenge,

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Speaker 1: speaking of revenge for real, today we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: good one. I'm very into this story. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's a name we all know and love. I've In

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Speaker 1: the Terrible, Oh or i've In the fourth, the first

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Speaker 1: Czar of Russia. But actually i've In the Terrible as

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Speaker 1: a nickname I learned as actually something of a mistranslation,

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Speaker 1: because back in the sixteenth century they called him Ivan Grozni,

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Speaker 1: which does directly translate to the English word terrible, but

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Speaker 1: at that time it more accurately meant awe inspiring or

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Speaker 1: powerful or courageous, something like that. But coincidentally, Ivan was

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Speaker 1: for a while, Ivan was actually a pretty great ruler,

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Speaker 1: mostly due to the loving relationship he had with his

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Speaker 1: first wife, Anastasia Romanov. Not the Anastasia Romanov that you're

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Speaker 1: thinking of, right, But let's dive into it. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and hear about the first of Ivan's eight marriages,

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Speaker 1: his war with a dozen noble families, a few poisonings,

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Speaker 1: a couple of fires, and the first unified Russia.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Hayla friends, come listen.

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Speaker 2: Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's

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Speaker 2: no match making a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous

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Speaker 3: A lover might be any type of person at all,

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Speaker 3: and abstract asatore a concrete wall. But if there's a

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Speaker 3: story where the second glance, who put it and show

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Speaker 3: ridiculous romance.

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Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: So we start our story with Vasily the Third, who

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Speaker 1: had been ruling what was known as the Grand Duchy

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Speaker 1: of Moscow or Muscovy for twenty years alongside his wife

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Speaker 1: Solomonia Saburova. And these two were doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is sixteenth century Russia, early fifteen hundreds

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Speaker 1: and Solomonia was being expanded. They recaptured land which had

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Speaker 1: But twenty years in he realized that he never got

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Speaker 2: Not at all, like make one or bring one or

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Speaker 1: Yes, however you gotta do it, give that one guy's

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Speaker 1: a girl as a boy in color king whatever you

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the sixteenth century version of IVF building church.

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Speaker 1: Well. Surprisingly, none of these things was working, and eventually

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Speaker 1: the grand Prince's boyars, who were basically these like highly

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Speaker 2: You need baby. Well, the Russian Orthodox clergy did not

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Speaker 2: like any church. Sure, but Vassili the third decided to

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking that this woman is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my husband, the ruler of all the lands, is divorcing me. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to go to a convent instead.

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't think. I don't think willingly. This is

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Speaker 1: She was very religious, so she might have considered it

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Speaker 1: her duty and like, Okay, well, if I can't produce

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Speaker 2: I don't know. There was at least a part of

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Speaker 2: She was eventually brought to the Intercession Monastery in Suzdl,

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Speaker 2: rumor became the foundation for a Russian folk hero named Kudeyar,

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Speaker 1: Vasili the third did marry again, this time to a

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Speaker 1: boyars named the Glinskis, but other boyars, who were the

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Speaker 1: did not like this choice because Elena and the Glinskis

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Speaker 2: Every country in this period of time is having a real,

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Speaker 1: But Vasili was obsessed with this girl, so much so

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I regularly do this myself.

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Speaker 1: none of this mattered, because ultimately Vassili the third and

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Speaker 1: Elena Glenskaya did marry and they had their first son,

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Speaker 1: who was the previous grand Prince of Muscovy. Unfortunately, Vassili

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Speaker 1: Vasili transferred rulership of Moscovy to his son Ivan the

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Speaker 1: fourth before his death in fifteen thirty three, but of course,

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Speaker 1: are referred to as the Reign of Elena. Oh I

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Speaker 1: like it. I like that, Yeah, Ayne of Elena. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a It sounds like a se. Someone try

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Speaker 2: It should be rain, a rain by Elena. Dry rain

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Speaker 2: by Elena. It's like Margot Robbie, like running through a

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Speaker 1: By Elena.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm ready to buy it, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It smells like the Russian countryside.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, now I don't know. I'm not so sure. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Elena did a bomb ass job ruling in Muscovy. She

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Speaker 2: and she paid to have Muscabite prisoners freed. But she

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Speaker 2: also had a super high drama government and might have

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Speaker 2: been having a fling with both a boyar and an

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, messie, for real, those are like two

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Speaker 2: Know, and she would go from one to the other

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Speaker 1: It's really we've been watching The Great a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and that's of course way later in time than this

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Speaker 1: in this world. They so are.

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Speaker 2: But Elena only ruled for five years before dying at

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Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. Her son, Ivan's governess was arrested,

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Speaker 2: and some historians think the Shoe Whiskeys, which is a

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Speaker 2: family of boyars who seized power after her death, were

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Speaker 2: that she was poisoned.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, this one no natural death, no no. And

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Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where you're like, oh, this lady,

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Speaker 1: and then this family rushed in and was like, we'll

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Speaker 2: Also, you had to be real careful with your food. Oh,

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Speaker 2: my dad, back in the day, my god, everybody was

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Speaker 1: So now little Ivan, who was only eight years old,

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Speaker 1: and he later wrote letters about how poorly he and

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Speaker 2: I like striving for ivans, driving for IVN, driving for

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Speaker 1: These fifteen hundred women, they're all striving for driving.

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Speaker 2: Who will get the rose and who will be sent home?

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Speaker 1: First? Up, Katerina, what's your favorite root vegetable? Katerina Ali,

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, you know, and they got all these

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Speaker 1: Russians like the Russian Tasmanian devil.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's their main voice every so he does all

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Speaker 1: So the invitation that went out to every noble family

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Speaker 1: Bad luck for the next ten years. Good bad luck.

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Speaker 2: So fifteen hundred young women were brought to Moscow to

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that about you.

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Speaker 2: young women in Russia were brought before Ivan and they

436
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 2: all flirted and giggled and tried to get his attention.

437
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: But there was one girl in the corner of the

438
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: room who didn't say too much.

439
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: That's right. Her name was honest, That Sia Ramanov, the

440
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: Zakaria Yureva.

441
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: Too many names.

442
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: It's a lot of names, but she's from a lot

443
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: of fans families. Uh. And like we said, this is

444
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: not Anastasia, and in fact, the name Anastasia doesn't exist

445
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: in Russia. I saw a lot of angry Russian YouTubers saying,

446
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: announced Anastasia, that's it's anesthesia. So that's what we'll go

447
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: with the proper pronunciation.

448
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome Russia.

449
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: Well, this girl was about seventeen years old, so about

450
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: the same age as Ivan, and her modesty at this

451
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: party had already been ridiculed by the boyers and the

452
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: other girls. She was just a little too modests, you know, Tyrie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

453
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: She wasn't out there shagging her boobs for Ivan and

454
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: trying to get to the frontal line. So all the

455
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: boyers like weren't impressed with this girl. And maybe it

456
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: was Ivan's just total hatred of these guys that made

457
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: him cross the room and take this girl's hand. He

458
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: had made his choice, and many sources say that her

459
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: family was noble but not particularly important, but historian l. E.

460
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: Morozova said that she might even have been chosen because

461
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: of her quote nobility and proximity to the grand Duke's court.

462
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Her father had been an advisor of Ivan's grandfather, Ivan

463
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: the Third, but he died before he could do very much,

464
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: so he wasn't, like, you know, a well known guy.

465
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: But her uncle was actually a very trusted advisor to

466
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Ivan's father, Vassili. He was even nicknamed the Eye of Vassili,

467
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: So Ivan was probably pretty well acquainted with this family

468
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: of Romanov's well.

469
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: They married on February third, fifteen forty seven, officiated by

470
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: who else but Metropolitan Macarius. He was probably like so excited,

471
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: and as Ivan was Russia's first czar, Anastasia became the

472
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: first Russian czarina. She was famously beautiful at a young age,

473
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: with dark eyes and long, thick, dark blonde hair. But

474
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: she was also a sweet, small, polite, affectionate girl, and

475
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: everyone was kind of worried how this little sweetie was

476
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: gonna hold up married to Ivan, who was, you know,

477
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: known to be pretty reactive, violent and controlling. Yeah, sure,

478
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: but remember Ivan always liked cheerful, lively girls and honest

479
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Essia actually brought out the best in Ivan. The fourth

480
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: Russian histories say that quote Anastasia instructed and led him

481
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: to all sorts of virtues.

482
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

483
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: An English explorer and diplomat who spent much of his

484
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: life in Russia wrote, quote, this queen was so wise, virtuous, pious,

485
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: and influential that she was revered and loved by all subordinates.

486
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: Ivan Vassilievitch was young and quick tempered, but she ruled

487
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: him with amazing meekness and intelligence. Not bad, pretty good, honest,

488
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: Essilla Well.

489
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Ivan and Anastasia were incredibly happy together and they seemed

490
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: to be deeply in love. But things got off to

491
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: a rocky start for Ivan and his rain with the

492
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: Great Fire of Moscow in the summer of fifteen forty seven,

493
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: just a few months after his coronation and their marriage.

494
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: At this time, most of the city of Moscow was

495
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: built out of wood, and when the fire broke out,

496
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: nearly a third of the city was destroyed. Between two

497
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: and three thousand people died. And if you remember the Shuiskys,

498
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: that family of boyars who ruled while Ivan was a child,

499
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: Well they're still around causing trouble, and they decided they

500
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: were going to investigate the fire, and in their investigation

501
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: they found out that, oh my goodness, what do you know,

502
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: their sworn enemies, the Glinskis, started it. If you remember

503
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: the Glinskis, that was Ivan's mother, Elena Glinskaya, who the

504
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: Shwiskys had poisoned back in the day while her mother

505
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: was still around, Anna Glinsky, and they claimed that she

506
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: had used sorcery to start the fire, because there was

507
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: already this local folklore that she was like a witch

508
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: who could transform into a bird, according to the historian

509
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Uri Bosin, So, the sh Whiskeys suggested that she tore

510
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: out human hearts, boiled them, and then turned into a

511
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: bird and flew around the city sprinkling this cursed blood

512
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: water down on houses, which immediately erected into flames.

513
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna say something.

514
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

515
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: This is obviously bullshit, but it's also so metal, like,

516
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: oh my god, taking lady tearing out human hearts and

517
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: boiling them and then like turning into a bird and

518
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: sprinkling blood water that turns into flames. I mean, holy,

519
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: that's a whole like that could be a whole metal

520
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: music video right there.

521
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: And my response when the sh Whiskys tell me this

522
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: is and you want to go after this woman? You

523
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: want to? I say, we get futter with it. What

524
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: she wants?

525
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: I think I need to hire right, maybe rain these

526
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: powers in for myself. Well, instead of that, the sh

527
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Whisky's got people all worked up, and soon an angry

528
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: mob was storming around the city looking for Glinsky's, any Glinski's,

529
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: and they found Yuri Glinsky hiding in a cathedral, dragged

530
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: him out to the streets and stoned him to death.

531
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: They raided Glinsky homes, they killed the Glinsky's serfs. According

532
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: to Bushkov, the mob even killed random people that were

533
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: suggested to be associated with the Glinskis without kicking any

534
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: of their identities. Oh my god, that is so.

535
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: Crazy, Like I think that guy was the Glinsky's bartender.

536
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Last night, right, the historian rites quote, A mass of

537
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: people is stupid, and when the people are stupid, it

538
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: is easy to control them, which is what the sh

539
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: Whiskys took advantage of.

540
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm a historian to tell me that I would.

541
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: Get that embroidered. A of people is stupid. That's like

542
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: the most real thing I've heard.

543
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 1: That's I love that. It's my one of my favorite

544
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: movie quotes in Men in Black, Yes, Timi Lee Jones,

545
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: A person is smart, but people are stupid, and.

546
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: You know it goes on yep, and he ain't wrong.

547
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: He ain't wrong.

548
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: So then the mob turned towards Ivan's palace, where they

549
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: knew his grandmother, the sorceress Anna Glinsky, was hiding. Ivan

550
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: is only seventeen at this point. He's just crowned Czar.

551
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: He's never seen a huge mob of angry villagers with

552
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: pitchforks before. This is a real unprecedented situation.

553
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Ivan did not hand over his grandmother to

554
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the angry mob. Now. Posen says that Ivan was quote

555
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: forced to give generous promises to pacify the protesters, and

556
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: then the mob just kind of fizzled out over about

557
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: a week. But Bushkov writes that Ivan wanted to set

558
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: an example and quote ordered the instigators to be seized

559
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: and immediately executed, and the crowd fled to their home.

560
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Holmes He's saying Ivan learned from his early days with

561
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: the Shwhiskies that if you're timid, they will walk all

562
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: over you, but when you show force, a lot of

563
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: the times they'll flinch. Playwright and historian Edward Radzinski said

564
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Ivan the Fourth was quote the true grandson of Ivan

565
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: the third. He already understood his people a kingdom without

566
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: a thunderstorm, like a horse without a bridle. So you

567
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: need this big, thunderous person to come in and you know,

568
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of put you in your place.

569
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, I guess, well, I mean, you know, anyway,

570
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: The point is Ivan was ready to be terrible. He

571
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: was like, one day this is gonna be my whole thing.

572
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Yea.

573
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: But in fact, his early years were not terrible. And

574
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: many attribute that largely to his marriage with Anastasiev. Their

575
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: early rule was marked with peaceful reforms and modernizations. He

576
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: formed the Zemski Sabor, which was Russia's parliament. He established

577
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: a standing army called the Streltzi, and he unified religious

578
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 2: rituals across the country.

579
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. It's interesting to think when

580
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: you've got a large country with churches, you know, hundreds

581
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: of miles apart from each other, How do you know

582
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: they're doing the same thing, right?

583
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: I guess that's a good point.

584
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Nobody ever came in and said, hey, mass goes like this,

585
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: you know.

586
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they all get trained right in someplace.

587
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then you kind of go off on

588
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: your own, and you know, just gradually it turns into

589
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: your own thing. I guess, well, that's why I.

590
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Always hated it when they were like, oh, the Bible

591
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: used to be written, you know, in whatever language the

592
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: common people did not speak. Oh, so that they had

593
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: to go to a priest and told like what God's

594
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: word was or whatever, and so the priest could tell

595
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: you anything. They could literally be like, oh, yeah, this

596
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Bible says you have to sleep with me. Once to

597
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: meet or something, and they'd be, well, I guess this

598
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: is in the book, you know. Like well, Ivan also

599
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: took a look at the mess the Shwhiskys had made

600
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: after the fire, and you know, he already hated these

601
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: boyars plenty, but this just like added to it. So

602
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: he started working on reforms that curbed their power. He's like,

603
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I want you all to be able to do less,

604
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: you know. So a special council was established called the Isbranayarada,

605
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: which allowed lower class representatives to advise the czar on

606
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: what was going on out in these streets there you go,

607
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: which is pretty cool, like the common man around him.

608
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sick of you rich people going on. Yeah right,

609
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: and I mean mostly involved in the Isbranaya Rada was

610
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: still pretty rich people. It wasn't the one percenters, but

611
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: he was talking to the middle class.

612
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: Now at least, I was gonna say, it must have

613
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: been at least landowners, like probably not a lot of peasants.

614
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: He actually, yeah, he did put some some laws into

615
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: place that actually curbed peasants' abilities to like move around

616
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: so much. But in general, he was like, let me

617
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: stop making this such a you know, where only the

618
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: rich people are allowed to have any say things.

619
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, what.

620
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: About the slightly less rich people. No one's thinking to them, poor.

621
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: People, no one cares, but the slightly restless rich people

622
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: to get more representation.

623
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: Well, look, obviously Ivan is a complicated guy. And who

624
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: knew that this little slice of Russian history would be

625
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: so dense and dramatic.

626
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no one could guess that.

627
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Always thought Russian history was supposed to be boring, so easy.

628
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: And well, we should, however, zero in on this marriage

629
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: and the family that they started, and the boatload of

630
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: tragedy that followed. So let's take a break and we

631
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: will look at all that right after this.

632
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone.

633
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: So honest, Asia and Ivan the Fourth, as we've said,

634
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: are very much in love. There's just a really good

635
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: relationship going on here. And while she was not directly

636
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: involved in policy, she did help him keep a cool

637
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: head while Ivan was off czarring to see you created

638
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: this embroidery workshop, very famous. A lot of women came

639
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: to work for her, like the best artists in town.

640
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: And there's this famed style of facial sewing that they

641
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: do in sixteenth century Russia, and they would embroider these

642
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: works that reflected state events or army victories under Ivan's rule,

643
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: and religious symbols as well, and quite a few of

644
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: these works apparently are preserved in museums to this day.

645
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: So if you're at a Russian art museum, keep an

646
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: eye up for some of Anssia's embroidery. Yeah, but look, look,

647
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: I know that we all want this happy couple to

648
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: just sit around and stitch fancy art and bring down

649
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: rich nobles and live happily ever after. Right, I'm sorry, folks,

650
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: this is a Russian story. If you haven't heard so,

651
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be tragic.

652
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh man. Yes, Together, Ivan and Anastasia had six children.

653
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 2: The first two were daughters, Anna and Maria, but each

654
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: of them died at less than a year old, which,

655
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: as in many of our stories, it's just not that uncommon,

656
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: especially in Russia at the time. Bushkov wrote that infant

657
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: mortality was hi throughout Europe and Asia at this time,

658
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: with some women giving birth every year and often only

659
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: one in four surviving well. After this, they gave birth

660
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: to a son, Dmitri, in fifteen fifty two. The next spring,

661
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: Ivan got terribly sick and even he thought he would

662
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: not make it. He's like, this is the end, and

663
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: all the boyard in fighting between the families meant that

664
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: most of them had never liked Anastasia, and he knew

665
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: that she would be in a lot of trouble if

666
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: he died without an air.

667
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so he asked.

668
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: The boy yards to swear loyalty to the new infant son, Dmitri,

669
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: and a lot of them were like no, damn, which

670
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: is like, do you remember how he had that guy

671
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: beat to death.

672
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: Some of them straight up apparently saw how sick he

673
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: was and was like, I'm not gonna do anything you

674
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: say because you'll be dead tomorrow.

675
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh so he was already so powerless in your mind.

676
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Yep.

677
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: Well that was stupid because maybe had a pure spite

678
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: alone I've been made a full and miraculous recovery and

679
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: started ordering them executions.

680
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Baby, oh he sure did. Oh, Like he.

681
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: Promised as a child, He's gonna kill you if you

682
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: say no.

683
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: But sadly, tragedy struck again when the royal family took

684
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: a pilgrimage to the Curillo Belzyorski monastery up north. The

685
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: whole expedition had to cross these makeshift gangways across the

686
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 1: Sphere River and the baby, Dimitri's nurse was holding him

687
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: as two of us to see his relatives held the

688
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: nurse's arms to sort of steady her as they crossed

689
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: this makeshift bridge. But suddenly the gangway collapsed and all

690
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: four of them were thrown into the river, and while

691
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: the three adults made it safely out, tragically the baby

692
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: had drowned. Now, some historians have questioned how this makeshift bridge,

693
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: this gangway, which was heavy and sturdy and used all

694
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: the time and allowed the entire rest of the party

695
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: to cross safely, suddenly flipped over while the Czar's only

696
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: infant Air was crossing. But you know, no accusations at

697
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: the time were really made. Obviously huge tragedy, and Ivan

698
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: was furious, but no one was necessarily crying murder that

699
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: we know of at the time.

700
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: Ooh, but it's like a little conspiracy.

701
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are looking back at it and going, that's

702
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: really weird.

703
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: That is very strange.

704
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Yes.

705
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: Well, the next year, fifteen fifty four, honest Acio gave

706
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: birth to their fourth child, a son who they gave

707
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: the name Ivan. And this one actually live hey for

708
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: a while, Okay, his story is tragic too, but he'll

709
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: last at least until the next episode. Oh, their weekend

710
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: rest easy for a minute. And in fifteen fifty six,

711
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: another daughter named Yevdokiya was born, but she only lived

712
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: two years.

713
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Oh awful, my god.

714
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: It must be just you're just sad all the time.

715
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

716
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: Their sixth and final child was a son named Theodor,

717
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: born in May of fifteen fifty seven, and he would

718
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: live even longer than his older brother Ivan. So all

719
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: in all, only two of Ivan and Honestessia's children lived

720
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: past infancy. But by the time she had given birth

721
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: to Feodor, Honestessia had fallen very ill. Some historians attribute

722
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: this to her being quote weakened by frequent childbirths, but

723
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: Bushkov wrote that again, people were having babies constantly back then.

724
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Six kids in ten years was quote, even by the

725
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: standards of the sixteenth century, below the average norm.

726
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: Right, And she's between eighteen and twenty eight when she's

727
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: having these babies. There, it's not like she was frail

728
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: or right anything like that. So, but she kept getting

729
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: sicker and sicker. Then in fifteen six, another fire broke

730
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: out in Moscow. This one wasn't quite as intense or

731
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: deadly as the fifteen forty seven fire, but clouds of

732
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: smoke were pouring into the palace, and Anasticia was moved

733
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: to nearby village because of her health concerns. Historian Nikolay

734
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Karamzin wrote that Ivan stayed back and quote extinguished the

735
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: fire himself. Being exposed to the greatest danger. He stood

736
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: against the wind, showered with sparks, and with his fearlessness,

737
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: aroused such a zeal in noble officials that the boyars

738
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: threw themselves into the flames, carried water, climbed.

739
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: Roofs inspirational leader time.

740
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fire was extinguished, but the Sarina's condition continued

741
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: to worsen. On August seventh of fifteen sixty, honest Assia

742
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: died quietly at twenty nine years old. They say that

743
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: she died really peacefully, in quietly, in bed, almost embarrassed

744
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: that she was drawing so much attention to herself.

745
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, yeah, little sweetie she was.

746
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: She was the sweetest.

747
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: Now. Ivan had called all the best doctors to care

748
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: for her, but no one could save her. At her funeral,

749
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: Ivan could barely walk behind her casket and had to

750
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: be held up by his little brother Yuri and one

751
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: of his cousins. He cried at her coffin and tore

752
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: at his hair. The sight was so tragic that even

753
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: many of the boyars started weeping as well, and Metropolitan

754
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: Macarius burst into tears as her coffin was lowered into

755
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: the grave. Kadamzine wrote, quote, the common sorrow was never

756
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: portrayed stronger. Not just one courtyard, but all of Moscow

757
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: buried its first, most amiable queen. Everyone was crying, and

758
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: the poor the beggars were the most inconsolable man. Yeah,

759
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: that's so sad to see him like keening.

760
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: He was just a wreck, they said, Yeah, really heartbreaking.

761
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I think all of his goodness was with her, you know,

762
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: like everything that made him feel like a good person.

763
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Right, so maybe even just kind of not even consciously,

764
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: but kind of mourning that part of yourself now that

765
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist anymore.

766
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: Yep, Because I think he had a lot of rage

767
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: and sadness already, and she quelled that she made him

768
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: feel at peace, And now I think he, yeah, like

769
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: you said, maybe even subconsciously recognized I'm gonna be awful

770
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: right from now on. Nothing's going to make me happy anymore.

771
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: I actually read something about that about grief, where it's

772
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: like you're not just grieving the person who's gone, but

773
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: who you were with that person, and that relationship that

774
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: you had with that person, and all the special things

775
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: about just the two of you.

776
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: This is so true, and I think.

777
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: That's really so special because it is like a part

778
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: of yourself is gone.

779
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who are we if not are connections to

780
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: other people in a lot of ways. While all of

781
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: the doctors that Ivan called out also could not determine

782
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: a cause of death, but he didn't need them. He

783
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: knew what the cause of death was. It was the

784
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: same thing that happened to his mother. Honest Asia was

785
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: poisoned by the Boyars. He didn't even need evidence. He'd

786
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: been locked in a battle with these families like the Shuiskys,

787
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: and they never liked the idea of bowing to her family,

788
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: the Romanovs. She had been growing sick for a while, gradually,

789
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: just like his mother did when she died. And after this,

790
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Ivan the Terrible started to earn his nickname. His wife,

791
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: like we said, who had always cooled him, was gone.

792
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: He was now angry, paranoid, and vengeful. Someone described him

793
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: coming out of his room a week later, and he

794
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: just looked different, and his eyes were sunk, and his

795
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: skin was yellow, and he just had this scowl on

796
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: his face. As Karamzine writes, quote, people did not yet

797
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: know what Anastassia had taken with her to the grave.

798
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: Here's the end of the happy days of Ivan and Russia,

799
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: for he lost not only his wife but also his virtue. Yeah,

800
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: dark days ahead, right.

801
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: Well, the question remains now was she actually poisoned or

802
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: was this just Ivan's paranoia and resentment against the boy.

803
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: Art understand you?

804
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah right, But he didn't. I mean, he just said

805
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: it didn't heed proof. I was like, well, maybe you

806
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: should get proved.

807
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: Well.

808
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: In the year two thousand, four hundred and forty years

809
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: after her death, T. D. Panova, the head of the

810
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: archaeological department at Moscow State Historical and Cultural Museum, led

811
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: a study on honest Asia's remains. Together with forensic specialists.

812
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: They found some pretty shocking results. So the best material

813
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: to determine the accumulation of mercury in the body is

814
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: the hair, and in Zarena honest Esssilla's hair, they found

815
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: mercury concentrations at four point eight milligrams, which is over

816
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: ten times the toxic amount for human.

817
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

818
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: Even fragments of the stone sarcophagus she was buried in

819
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: came up with mercury readings.

820
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh, they had pumped her full of.

821
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 2: It, full of that shit.

822
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. Now, some of the

823
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: medicines at the time were also mercury based, so it

824
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: had been previously suggested that maybe she just accidentally overdosed

825
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: like that, which has happened before. I can't remember, but

826
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we've even mentioned that on this show before.

827
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: Maybe, So I do know that in cleaning out my

828
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: grandfather's medicine cabinet we found some medicine with mercury in it,

829
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: good time, from like a million years ago whatever. My

830
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: cousin was like, why is this still here? What we

831
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: need to get?

832
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: How do you even throw the s of it safely?

833
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Right? Oh my god.

834
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, and with these quantities that they were finding in

835
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: Anastasia's body, modern scholars are basically totally certain that yes,

836
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: she was in fact poisoned. Now, unfortunately we'll never know

837
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: who specifically carried out this order, but we do know

838
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: one thing Czar, Ivan the Fourth was right, Yeah, yes

839
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: she was poisoned, and yes he's gonna do something about

840
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: it now. Unfortunately, he also did not know exactly who

841
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: did this, so his rage just kind of went in

842
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: all directions. But he definitely was not having it with

843
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: the boyers. No more. Nope, in his life he would

844
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: take seven more brides. Now, none of those marriages lasted

845
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: nearly as long as his and Anesthesias, and none of

846
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: them were as passionate or loving. But the reign of

847
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: Ivan the Terrible was just getting started, all triggered by

848
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: the murder of not only his mother but his most

849
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: beloved wife. Now, obviously there's so much to say about

850
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Ivan and Anastasia. It's been a full episode. We've been

851
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: here nearly an hour now already. So we got seven

852
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: more wives to get to, and I think we'll get

853
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: to them all in one episodeties aren't quite so intense,

854
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: but we will come back next time with the rest

855
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: of Ivan's marriages.

856
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, I've been straight up was like, I don't

857
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: even need to do an investigation. Y'all killed my wife.

858
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I know you weren't subtle about it.

859
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, well, who are the boyars who

860
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: were crying at her funeral?

861
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's kind of what's tough about it,

862
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: is there everybody's a boy are There's like, they're boy

863
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: as all over the place. Boy are here? Boy are there?

864
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: Boy or boy are everywhere? But the Shwhiskys were the

865
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Speaker 1: main ones that keep coming up in my research, but

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Speaker 1: there were a few other families whose names really popped

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Speaker 1: up a lot. So there was probably some still that

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Speaker 1: liked her, totally on her side, but the real power

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Speaker 1: grabby ones, these are the ones to look out for.

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Speaker 2: Well that's so, I'm like, were they crying thinking like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's really gonna just beat the shit out of me

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Speaker 2: by dogs, He's going to have his grandma sprinkle some

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Speaker 2: blood flames on the oh names, there's something this might

874
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Speaker 2: have been a bad idea, guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, Grandma Glinsky uh vanished from record. But she

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Speaker 1: was not killed. She They think she just kind of

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Speaker 1: escaped somewhere and took another name and lived out her

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Speaker 1: life just.

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Speaker 2: Fine, smart, very smart, or like a sorcerer. She just

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Speaker 2: made herself disappeared.

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Speaker 1: She turned into a bird and flew away away to

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Speaker 1: torment some other town children and eating their hearts. I

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00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: was fascinated by this story. I didn't know nothing about

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Speaker 1: Ivan the Terrible, No me neither.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of him.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know, I don't think heard the name, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like maybe the game itself.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you might be right and I've heard it,

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Speaker 2: but I know there's like several like Peter the Greats

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Speaker 2: for example, so like there's a like, well, I wonder

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Speaker 2: which one, but it's really cool. I'm always loved to

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Speaker 2: spend time in Russia, I know, because it's just such

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Speaker 2: an interesting country. I feel. I just feel like it's

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Speaker 2: so it's kind of alien in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Culturally, Yeah, you can tell there's this raw survival kind

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Speaker 1: of mentality behind everyone. Yeah, and we're in the cold,

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Speaker 1: we're you know, resources are sparse. They had to they

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00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: had to make it work, and they had to and

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00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, they used that cold, they had that ice

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00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: in their veins.

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Speaker 2: It feels right well, and like the quote about needing

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Speaker 2: a thunderstorm, Yeah, I think it's still still pretty true

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Speaker 2: culturally there. And again I'm not Russian, so happy to

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Speaker 2: be corrected. But you know, like Putin's always run around

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Speaker 2: like look at my I'm riding this horse and I'm

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00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: really strong, you know, like there's this macho there's a

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00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: machismo to who they see as being powerful, right, and influential.

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Speaker 2: That's very important for that perception. I think even Olga

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Speaker 2: of Kiev had it. Remember her, That's right, she would

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Speaker 2: like the thunderstorm.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a lot of people up and buried

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Speaker 1: them and burned them alive.

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Speaker 2: I was speaking of birds that cause fires, that's right.

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Speaker 1: She tied a little flames to pigeons and they like

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Speaker 1: flew into houses and lit him on fire.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, did that. That's why I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: wonder if they I don't. I don't remember when. I

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Speaker 2: think that was way before this, so maybe they got that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was way before this.

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Speaker 2: So the Legend of Kiev.

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Speaker 1: If but you haven't heard, we did her story in

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Speaker 1: an earlier episode and it is.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, so fun.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out. But thanks for tuning in for

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Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, they're excited to bring you the first

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Speaker 1: of Ivan's eight wives, and like I said, we'll come

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Speaker 1: back with I'm pretty sure all seven in the next episode.

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Speaker 2: We're Russian to get that done. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Don't have a Moss cow Man while you're waiting.

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