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Speaker 1: Someone I played on the same team, but he got
Speaker 1: hurt at the very beginning of the year, so I
Speaker 1: never got to experience actually playing with him. But uh,
Speaker 1: someone that I came bobby dunked on both of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean someone I came in the league with. I
Speaker 1: knew right from the jump this was a bad motherfucker man.
Speaker 1: So everyone, welcome brother. I'mora Stottmeyer to the show the
Speaker 1: man Child, Man Child, what's up with you? Man? How's everything? Man?
Speaker 1: I can't I can't call him everything good. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to hear that. So what's been like for you, roller coaster?
Speaker 1: You're obviously for the country. You accept the job as
Speaker 1: a as a coach for the Brooklyn Nets families healthy
Speaker 1: talk to me? Yeah, man, it was crazy, man, I
Speaker 1: mean the initials, the initial started out with me um
Speaker 1: playing overseas. Uh, So I went over to China for
Speaker 1: a few months, then went over to Israel. Uh, finished
Speaker 1: up over there. What a championship? Right? You won a championship? Right?
Speaker 1: Yea MVP over there, got the finals MVP, and then happened,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Corona happened. And then I moved back to Miami,
Speaker 1: and so I was I was hearing Mimi for a while.
Speaker 1: Then I end up getting the job over the Nets.
Speaker 1: So it's been a pretty it's been a pretty uh
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yes, so far from me? Did you think
Speaker 1: or do as it's something you always want to do
Speaker 1: with was to get into coaching and player development or
Speaker 1: to kind of come out of left field? Came out
Speaker 1: of left field. I never thought about coaching. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I got my youth programs in Florida, so I've
Speaker 1: been involved in grass roots with Nike since two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. I'm like trying to develop young players. Always
Speaker 1: had my Skills Academy camp every year also with Nike
Speaker 1: throughout the year. It's always kind of been in that
Speaker 1: player of development space. But never thought that I would
Speaker 1: be like a culch you're working with with with the
Speaker 1: NBA team. High excited that you to be back working
Speaker 1: with Steve Man. It's it's it's a fun atmosphere, bro
Speaker 1: like like honest with you. You know, Steve and I
Speaker 1: got a relationship that we built back in Phoenix and
Speaker 1: so and so now to be kind of back with
Speaker 1: Steve and seeing him loud as a coach and being
Speaker 1: back in the locker room with him reminds me of
Speaker 1: like the times we had in Phoenix. So it's a
Speaker 1: great It's a great atmosphere for the both of us.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna joining Yeah, y'all have some great times and
Speaker 1: Pens will definitely get to do that later. Um. Your
Speaker 1: transition obviously from just finishing up playing to now coach,
Speaker 1: what is kind of your excitement level as a coach
Speaker 1: now because you're coaching both of them. To see a
Speaker 1: healthy Kyrie Irving and a healthy Kevin Durant on the floor,
Speaker 1: you've been able to coach them. Yeah, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: it's been exciting bro watching these boys and training camp,
Speaker 1: how they get after it, the way they compete, both
Speaker 1: of them playing a high level, both of them healthy. Um.
Speaker 1: And I've really never seen two players this good before.
Speaker 1: And I've experienced a lot of players. I played with
Speaker 1: a lot of players. I've been arounding the game for
Speaker 1: a long time, but I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: two players as good as Kyrie and kd M. I
Speaker 1: feel that definitely sure that what's it like? What's the
Speaker 1: energy and the vibe? Like what you guys have a
Speaker 1: good mix now of you know, two championships superstars with
Speaker 1: a great core young group. What's that mixture and chemistry
Speaker 1: been like? Although you know short uh in training camp
Speaker 1: so far, well, you know what, man, I kind of
Speaker 1: leave it. I kind of leave with the steed to
Speaker 1: kind of have a you know a lot of those uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of those player player development courses and situations
Speaker 1: going on with the with the team. But when I've
Speaker 1: what I've experienced so far as that everyone has great chemistry,
Speaker 1: everyone has great vibe. Everyone's like focus on on the goals. Um.
Speaker 1: And I'm just doing my part by just being kind
Speaker 1: of that vocal guy as well, and happened them out
Speaker 1: with development and guys need to help along the way
Speaker 1: far as improving their skills. I'm always available for that.
Speaker 1: I'm always giving them game, you know, whether it's on
Speaker 1: the court game or off the court game. Um and
Speaker 1: so and so, they appreciate it. Both are needed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you played for the Knicks. Now you're on the Brooklyn side.
Speaker 1: I know you've been hearing a lot of chitter chatta
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, you know what playing for the Knicks. Man. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm always gonna be a Knicks guy, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like far as like, you know,
Speaker 1: the time of my time playing with with with the
Speaker 1: Knicks was uh was a moment of history for me
Speaker 1: that I would never forget. You know, But then life
Speaker 1: goes on and experiences happened. Then you know, opportunity comes
Speaker 1: along the way. You can't really you can't really not
Speaker 1: take advantage opportunities when they come your way. Brands, it
Speaker 1: may not never happen again. Um, And so when two
Speaker 1: Times got the job with Brooklyn, Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: reached out to him and said, hey, now here if
Speaker 1: you need me for your support, whatever that may be.
Speaker 1: And that's that's how I kind of, you know, got
Speaker 1: involved with the Nets. Mm hmmm. Uh. It was a
Speaker 1: quick turnaround obviously, just finishing the season a little bit
Speaker 1: over for the champions, about seventy seventy seven days, seventy
Speaker 1: plus days removed from the bubble. Now we're in a
Speaker 1: space where, um, we're just gonna have to put a
Speaker 1: lot of trust in players and organizations to keep themselves
Speaker 1: as safe as possible. Have you guys discussed or even
Speaker 1: thought about what it's gonna be like moving around now,
Speaker 1: because obviously you lived a certain way as a player,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, we moved around so freely.
Speaker 1: Now as a coach, you know, we kind of have
Speaker 1: a lot of restrictions on the type you guys talked to.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about what it's gonna be like traveling
Speaker 1: now and having so much responsibility to try to keep
Speaker 1: yourself as safe as possible. Yeah, Man, if the main
Speaker 1: part is being safe and following on the guy lives
Speaker 1: possible to keep yourself away from from COVID. Uh. So
Speaker 1: obviously staying sanitized when your masks, keep your social distancing,
Speaker 1: and then traveling wise, Uh, it's you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a different scenario. I'm sure you're gonna travel
Speaker 1: with less staffing. Um, I'm gonna try to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to to to stay safe while on the road. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you know, we have we have a code
Speaker 1: of conduct that kind of keeps us, you know, in
Speaker 1: line with what the rules going forward far as COVID concerned.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Um, you're upbringing a Florida boy. Um, bounced
Speaker 1: around a lot from school to school. Talk to us
Speaker 1: and tell us what your childhood was like. Man, it
Speaker 1: was a struggle, bro, My child, My child was a
Speaker 1: major struggle man. Uh my mom, my mom. You know
Speaker 1: it was always you know, she was always getting locked up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she was in and
Speaker 1: out of jail basically all my childhood life. My dad
Speaker 1: died when I was twelve. My brother was a gangster.
Speaker 1: He was always in this treats and get locked up
Speaker 1: and selling drugs. Um. And so I had to pasically
Speaker 1: raise my little brother on my own at times, UM,
Speaker 1: and so I went to when I played you know, basketball,
Speaker 1: I didn't play organized basketball to I was fourteen, but
Speaker 1: I played at the parts all the time. I was
Speaker 1: always going to the parts and playing basketball and then
Speaker 1: so um and even up until I got into the NBA. Man,
Speaker 1: my mom still get locked up, you feel me. So
Speaker 1: it was always a struggle I had to make, like,
Speaker 1: you know, adult decisions at a young age. I went
Speaker 1: from I went to six different high schools trying to
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I make the right decision. H
Speaker 1: high school was different because they saw how good I
Speaker 1: was and trying to take advantage of the opportunity. And
Speaker 1: I was on game enough to know that I weren't
Speaker 1: trying to get for nest by any of those situations.
Speaker 1: And so it forced me to transfer to school from
Speaker 1: school to school to try to find the right situation
Speaker 1: for me. But then once I got to the n
Speaker 1: b A, I was able to find a sense of like, uh, consistency,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When I found that consistency,
Speaker 1: I was able to not focus on the game of
Speaker 1: basketball and just kind of go from there. What did
Speaker 1: you hold onto or what inspired you or helped you
Speaker 1: get through you know, I mean, as a fourteen year
Speaker 1: old started to play basketball, you're you're becoming a man.
Speaker 1: But there's so much up and down and like you said,
Speaker 1: inconsistency in your life. What was the thing that kept
Speaker 1: you on track? Because I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you only really you only really got a
Speaker 1: chance to play what two years of high school basketball? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played. I first played organized basketball the four team,
Speaker 1: and I was draft of the eight team. So it
Speaker 1: was a quick turn around. But you didn't really get
Speaker 1: to play. You didn't really get to play that whole
Speaker 1: four years though, right, You didn't really missed some seasons
Speaker 1: in high school? Right, Yeah, so on one exactly right,
Speaker 1: only played two years of high school basketball. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: to think about you were the number nine pick in
Speaker 1: the draft after playing basketball for just two years, Like
Speaker 1: that ship is fucking crazy. Yeah. And then I went
Speaker 1: on to get rook there you're the first to ever
Speaker 1: get rookie. You're the high school yeah, two thousand three
Speaker 1: rookie of the year. What was it like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, you finally found some stability, some stability
Speaker 1: and you know, a normal routine and you were able
Speaker 1: to just focus on basketball. How good did that feel?
Speaker 1: Obviously your player on the court showed you won rookie year,
Speaker 1: first team All Rookie, But how did that feel inside? Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you know I made it. I know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing on this now that I just focus on
Speaker 1: who you know what? What kept me grinding throughout the
Speaker 1: whole process, My child is man. Always always stay locked
Speaker 1: in the God. You know what I'm saying. I always
Speaker 1: said my presers every night, you know, so my mother
Speaker 1: always and stepped at me. They always seen my present.
Speaker 1: Really stay focused on God and always you know, pray
Speaker 1: for knowledge. Wasn't an understanding, so I will always like
Speaker 1: focus on on that. That kind of kept me focus.
Speaker 1: It kept me humble, and it kept me like it
Speaker 1: kept me being my own person. So I never really
Speaker 1: felt down the leadership qualities of of the wrong crowd,
Speaker 1: never got involved in that space. So it kept me
Speaker 1: locked in. And once I got to the league, that continued.
Speaker 1: But then now I got like veteran players I can
Speaker 1: talk to. At the time, it was pinning all the
Speaker 1: way Stephen Marbury tonguable out, Uh, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was I was just soak in a game
Speaker 1: from them, and they helped me kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: learn how to become a man with the NBA space.
Speaker 1: How did a you play a role in your development
Speaker 1: and exposure? You know, A you you was was key
Speaker 1: for me, man, because when I first started playing basketball,
Speaker 1: I was like not known the state of Florida. Then
Speaker 1: I started playing you basketball, I became like top one
Speaker 1: hundred my freshman year and then every summer when we
Speaker 1: hit that circuit, you know, say you're gonna play against
Speaker 1: players from different parts of the United States and you're
Speaker 1: seeing a talent and it's hype behind these guys. You
Speaker 1: got so and so top five in the country. You
Speaker 1: play against him and you you know, saying you're balled
Speaker 1: out that game, and now your rankings go off from
Speaker 1: the top one hundred of top ten and you played
Speaker 1: against the No. One playing the country. You you know what, say,
Speaker 1: you bought him out? You know who's some of the
Speaker 1: number one and not to cut you off, who were
Speaker 1: some of the number one players that you overcame by
Speaker 1: the time you took the number one spot, uh your
Speaker 1: senior year. My my freshman year, it was a guy
Speaker 1: named Antonio Lawrence from Jackson Gillforta. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like it was like a freaking nature man six
Speaker 1: seven point guard bounced, crazy bounce windmill. All that freshman
Speaker 1: year it was crazy um and then my and then
Speaker 1: alone the way it was like it was like shading
Speaker 1: the Randolph was top five, Rage Felton was top five,
Speaker 1: Carmelin Antnue was top three. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You had Chris Bosh it was top ten. Um and
Speaker 1: then and then class afternoon was Lebron. James Lebron was
Speaker 1: already top top two, top three, and he was a
Speaker 1: year under us and in the year before. So you
Speaker 1: had Tyson Channeler was top with number one in the country.
Speaker 1: You had Eddie Curry was number number two in the country.
Speaker 1: Carmy Brown was top five. So every time I saw
Speaker 1: any of those guys, I played against all of myself
Speaker 1: le Braun, but any time I saw them on the circuit,
Speaker 1: I was at their head with no know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like because I wanted I wanted to reach that number
Speaker 1: one spot killer be killed. So two thousand two McDonald's
Speaker 1: All American Game at Madison Square Garden, you get a
Speaker 1: chance to play with mellow what was that like? Oh, man,
Speaker 1: you know Mellow and I go away Batman's from a basketball,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, you know, for us
Speaker 1: to be in the McDonald's game, we're hanging out, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like like homeboys, dude, We're
Speaker 1: just kind of were kicking there, having fun and joining
Speaker 1: the time and joined the experience of New York, you know,
Speaker 1: playing the Manasicon Square Garden as seventeen year olds, We're like, man,
Speaker 1: this is you know what I'm saying. We're in heaven,
Speaker 1: you feel me? So it didn't playing playing with him
Speaker 1: in the game. You know, I saw the talent from
Speaker 1: Mellow when he was in high school offensive juggernaut. He
Speaker 1: already had the same pull up game he had to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying at that time, high school
Speaker 1: three points shooting from the three. He still had the
Speaker 1: handles and all that even back then. Uh And so
Speaker 1: it was fun playing with him. Who who was recruiting
Speaker 1: you in coming out of high school? What colleges were
Speaker 1: recruiting you? Um? And I got North Carolina, UM, Memphis, Florida,
Speaker 1: all the Florida schools, UM NC State. But everybody knew
Speaker 1: I was going to high school. Everybody know I was
Speaker 1: going to the NBA, and then a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of colleges also a little bit skeptical of me
Speaker 1: because I had a trouble in background. You know, saying
Speaker 1: one that I when I was getting in trouble is
Speaker 1: the fact that my family was always in the trouble.
Speaker 1: The film saying was always inconsistency with me growing up.
Speaker 1: You feel Me. So a lot of the schools were, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so a lot of schools were a little bit kind
Speaker 1: of skeptical about about it. And I was going to
Speaker 1: the league. Anyways, when did you make that decision? When
Speaker 1: did you know that it was lead bound? I was
Speaker 1: trying to get to lead from from my from my
Speaker 1: freshman year high school. He said, I'm going man, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was trying to get out the hood,
Speaker 1: bro like I was always like, my mind set was
Speaker 1: already sent on NBA. You Feel Me? And then I
Speaker 1: had an I had a broad model too. I never
Speaker 1: really spoke to when I was in high school, but
Speaker 1: I kind of watched him from Afar. Tracey McGrady, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to Mac team mat from the
Speaker 1: same hood. He's from like a few a few cities over.
Speaker 1: But when I saw Matt go out to high school,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Si, I can do the same thing. You
Speaker 1: feel me. So so I'm like my freshman year, I
Speaker 1: was locked up going out of high school, and so
Speaker 1: I just kept pursuing that throughout my entire high school career. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just you just answering my next question. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you, did you have identify to KG, Kobe
Speaker 1: and team Matt going to yourself? Following that the footsteps,
Speaker 1: and you just answered that question. Yeah, man, Matt, Mac
Speaker 1: for sure, Mac for sure one of the Poke Counties finest.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying watching I watching Matt play. He went
Speaker 1: to my zion. I went to my zion. But then
Speaker 1: you also got like, you know, obviously KG came out
Speaker 1: of high school, Kobe came out of high school. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, and so all those
Speaker 1: high school guys, I felt like with a fraternity man,
Speaker 1: you know, but a few of us and the guys
Speaker 1: can't do it no more unfortunately. But for the guys
Speaker 1: who were able to go to high school, that's a
Speaker 1: group in the history that can never be duplicated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very few players come straight out of high school and
Speaker 1: make an impact, Um, the way you do. Well, what
Speaker 1: was it like? You know what means? Like I said,
Speaker 1: you jumped literally from a few years of just playing
Speaker 1: basketball in general too, to being a Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year in the NBA. What was that first year? Like? Man, Listen,
Speaker 1: when I got to the NBA, there's a lot of terms.
Speaker 1: Did I to understand? I didn't know what up and
Speaker 1: under was. I didn't know what to you know what
Speaker 1: I'm like, you dribble, left, euro stat all that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm said a lot of those terms. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand what they were because I was I
Speaker 1: was a high school player and I only played to
Speaker 1: a high school basketball And when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: my coaches just like, just go and play because you know,
Speaker 1: I was just dominant. So they didn't really coach much
Speaker 1: and try to teach me the game. Um. And so
Speaker 1: my rookie year, I was learning game by game, practice
Speaker 1: by practice, different terms, how to shoot, how to dribble,
Speaker 1: how to you know what I'm saying, all these different
Speaker 1: things I developed when I was in the league. And
Speaker 1: so it happened to somewhere critie my game and watch
Speaker 1: film after every game, every practice to improve each and
Speaker 1: every day. M hm. Who are some of those people
Speaker 1: you looked up to as you were learning? Were their
Speaker 1: players in the league, maybe teammates who helped you with
Speaker 1: that learning curve being so young. Yeah, my teammates for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, my teammates for Shure help helped along the way. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I also had some as some pretty cool
Speaker 1: young guys that was with me too, Man Me, Joe Johnson,
Speaker 1: uh Shaw, Maryan Uh. We had my man out to
Speaker 1: four at the time, so we had we had a
Speaker 1: nice group of young guys who we always had our says,
Speaker 1: accountable and trying to get better. So we'll play one
Speaker 1: on one every day at the practice and we'll stay
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We just stayed locked in
Speaker 1: on trying to improve. Uh. And then we had a
Speaker 1: family bund off the court. You know, my mom, his mom,
Speaker 1: our family all got along, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we all hung out to have barbecue and cookouts. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we had a fun five mm hmm. Rest in
Speaker 1: peace that I only out to Ford Man. I was
Speaker 1: the homy man. My brother Man blessed memory. Man. Absolutely. Hey,
Speaker 1: two thousand three, we got a chance to play against
Speaker 1: y'all in the playoffs, in the first round of playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know, talk talk about when you got your chance
Speaker 1: to battle against Duncan. I remember you hit that back
Speaker 1: boys shot the senate the overtime. Uh. Actually, they told
Speaker 1: me to clothe. They told me to show and get
Speaker 1: back and let Dave come back to you because they
Speaker 1: said you wasn't gonna shoot it. And we all know
Speaker 1: it took Dave two hours to get from one end
Speaker 1: of the court to the other end of the time,
Speaker 1: so you know, so you know he wasn't closing out
Speaker 1: on the three pointer. So I showed Matt. I did
Speaker 1: everything I was supposed to do because you know, Pop
Speaker 1: take me out for farting. So I went over there
Speaker 1: and I faked to him and I went back to
Speaker 1: my man and Mary shot it out the glass. Talk
Speaker 1: about that first round, man, Yeah, it was incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: It was my first time in the playoffs. Was my
Speaker 1: rookie year, and it was always a battle between who
Speaker 1: was when the rookie of the year, between me and
Speaker 1: y'all men and y'all mean y'all men was an incredible
Speaker 1: talent man six eight player from China, a major, major
Speaker 1: hype behind him and so um in that game. Playing
Speaker 1: against the Spurts planting shot in the playoffs, I wanted
Speaker 1: to try to establish myself as like the next young
Speaker 1: dominant four man. You know what I'm saying. I'm playing
Speaker 1: against Tim Duncan and David Robinson, which I got a
Speaker 1: chance to like really like set myself up properly, and
Speaker 1: so when I shot at when the shot came to me,
Speaker 1: it was no hesitation for me. Man, I shot it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That it went off the glass,
Speaker 1: and when it's overtime, and I think step end up
Speaker 1: winning the game and overtime with a game when the
Speaker 1: shot later on that game from a half court from
Speaker 1: half courter off of miss free throw. But even though yeah,
Speaker 1: we we beat you out for four games. In four games, Bro,
Speaker 1: you were dominant that series. You're the only person we
Speaker 1: didn't have an answer for. And what was special was
Speaker 1: at the beginning of that series, my Barry was killed
Speaker 1: La Tony Park, right, I mean kill. We had Speedy
Speaker 1: classon another New York guard to come in and kind
Speaker 1: of keep up with Steps, so that saved us. But
Speaker 1: you if step would have kept getting off, we probably
Speaker 1: went seven games. We probably woul the one that series,
Speaker 1: but you definitely was dominant. I appreciate it. Appreciate that
Speaker 1: the two The next season, a lot of injuries. Uh,
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni takes over. You guys missed the playoffs. What
Speaker 1: was the new philosophy and energy did? What did it
Speaker 1: feel like? Because you guys kind of started building there.
Speaker 1: Obviously Steve uh Nash came, But what was it like
Speaker 1: with that new era basketball? Did you guys took over?
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was similar to what we
Speaker 1: did and go in the state a few years before,
Speaker 1: but you guys kind of took it to that next level.
Speaker 1: What kind of excitement did he bring to your guys team? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we uh we traded. We traded like six players,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We tried to Steph Penny
Speaker 1: Google's we traded like six guys, man, and so we
Speaker 1: finished that season, you know, playing this season with like
Speaker 1: eight players, you know what I'm saying. So we were like, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. We had our court group between myself, Shaw,
Speaker 1: Mary and Joe Johnson. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: had some young guys with with Leonji Barbosa, so we
Speaker 1: had a nice little young squad. We just needed some
Speaker 1: more veteran players and we needed a point guard. And
Speaker 1: I was my deal. I wanted to we needed a
Speaker 1: point guard, and so I was just I was, you know,
Speaker 1: expressing that to like the management in the front office,
Speaker 1: that we gotta get a point guard. With the point guard,
Speaker 1: someone who control the game. And so we brought my dad,
Speaker 1: Turning came on board as head coach, and then we
Speaker 1: brought Steve, and both of those guys had a similar
Speaker 1: philosophy for us, like offensively driven. So um, it happened.
Speaker 1: It happened naturally, man. Uh. Steve and I never did
Speaker 1: like time, just like putting in a crazy amount of
Speaker 1: time of learning how to do pick and rolls together,
Speaker 1: it just happened naturally. Might the Turning offense when he
Speaker 1: put the offense in. Um, everything just happened to flow.
Speaker 1: And then with a with a natural with a natural flow,
Speaker 1: and that's how we got out to a great, you know,
Speaker 1: a great start to following year. We one like I
Speaker 1: think sixty some games and we're just you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we hit the ground running. A Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was it like building chemistry with Steve on the court,
Speaker 1: on and off the floor? Excuse me? You know on
Speaker 1: the court, man, it was it was easy, bro. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was an easy deal for us because Nash and
Speaker 1: now you know, it happened organically, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Nash is the past first point guard, and I was
Speaker 1: a player who wanted to set the tone and try
Speaker 1: to dominate every chance I got, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So anytime any time Nash dropped the ball off to me,
Speaker 1: I'm catching flight and flight range, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and I'm and I'm attacking the rim. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I'm going in there and trying to draw
Speaker 1: fouls or shoot floats, lay the ball up. Nah, you
Speaker 1: weren't that. I'm attacking the rim. And so every time
Speaker 1: Nash drop him off, you know, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: an easy combination between him and nine. So when you
Speaker 1: got that type of combination going, and then teams got
Speaker 1: to respect that, and you surround that with some shooters
Speaker 1: and a few playmakers, you had a great formula. And
Speaker 1: off the court, all of course, Steve was one of
Speaker 1: the homies, man, Steven, Steve going to the clubs. Guys,
Speaker 1: we've been the clubs. You know, we go to the
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying to the vibe clubs. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying with hold on Steven Stevens. Steven's
Speaker 1: comfortable in there. Steven. A lot of people don't know.
Speaker 1: Steven's coolest fun. Steve got some Steve got something Steve. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, helped that help with the team chemistry too, man,
Speaker 1: Like we saw Steven spots when we got got that
Speaker 1: and he came hung out with us and kicked the
Speaker 1: win us for a little bit, and then the next
Speaker 1: day on the court, we're like, man, listen, we got
Speaker 1: even a better, stronger Bard now, so became more of
Speaker 1: a family atmosphere. Yeah. Well that leads me to my
Speaker 1: next question. How fun was it once everybody vibed? Obviously
Speaker 1: you're a Steve's was the effort listening and most important.
Speaker 1: But like you said, you got you know, Sean Mary
Speaker 1: and Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson Barbosa. You guys got a
Speaker 1: real squad. Whenever we played, y'all, we knew we were
Speaker 1: in front of motherfucking track meet war. But what was it?
Speaker 1: How how fun was it playing with that group of guys? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For short, every time he played, y'all go to state boy,
Speaker 1: we had we had to messure you strap up. Yeah
Speaker 1: I did, I did. I did. Give y'all that thirty
Speaker 1: point triple double. Remember they tried to put it, but
Speaker 1: they tried to put us on him. All had to
Speaker 1: go on the more. But let me I remember this though,
Speaker 1: so look, this will happened, right, So they got they
Speaker 1: started a Donald foil right, so some kind of thing
Speaker 1: happened on a fast break where you dunked on the
Speaker 1: Donald so bad Nellie. Nellie didn't play him no more.
Speaker 1: Just let me and Matt deal with you the rest
Speaker 1: of No, he didn't even play him no more. That
Speaker 1: was like at least Filing the biggest guy there. At
Speaker 1: least Filing ended this time. Yeah, like you had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, man, Man, I was taking that was
Speaker 1: now no mercies, bro I was with no mercies. Man.
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know what I'm saying, We just hey,
Speaker 1: we ready to attack. Man. He was always an attack
Speaker 1: more you feel me? And so you know anytime we
Speaker 1: get an open court, man, everybody had to had had
Speaker 1: the green light to attack and shoot when they open
Speaker 1: and then met the game. A lot of phone force
Speaker 1: out there. Mm hmmm. So two thousand five, that playoff year,
Speaker 1: you guys are the top seed in the West. You
Speaker 1: beat Memphis, you beat Dallas, Joe Johnson fractures his eyebow
Speaker 1: on the game too, Mrs. The rest of the series,
Speaker 1: and then you guys run into the Spurs in the
Speaker 1: Western Finals. Yeah, yeah, I stuck, man, because the Spurs,
Speaker 1: the Spurs um have a system that they run, and
Speaker 1: so when it comes down to the postseason, they they experience.
Speaker 1: The experience is what kind of prevailed, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying the playoffs, and for us with such a
Speaker 1: young team who were still trying to three, that experience
Speaker 1: out and so we even though it was like stacked
Speaker 1: up against each other almost evenly, it's just that the
Speaker 1: experience of them knowing how to play, nor where to
Speaker 1: get their basket when it's like how to close our quarters,
Speaker 1: how to execute down the stretch, how the small ship
Speaker 1: that matters, Yeah, side of bounce plays, all these things.
Speaker 1: They make sure they took care of all those and
Speaker 1: so it was tough to beat them. Man, we couldn't
Speaker 1: we couldn't get over with hunt that year. Next season,
Speaker 1: cartilage damage, you get micro fracture, and that's a scary
Speaker 1: surgery back in those I mean, it's still a scary surgery,
Speaker 1: particularly back then. Uh you know, that's one of those
Speaker 1: serious surgeries where a lot of people don't actually get
Speaker 1: the blood circulating back to their knee and it could
Speaker 1: be a rap. You came back, played all eighty two
Speaker 1: games in average twenty. How challenging. How hard did you
Speaker 1: put yourself to rehab to be able to come back
Speaker 1: like you didn't miss a beat? Name a robot, everybody, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody always said that, like all the surgeries just motherfucker
Speaker 1: that he went through and he come back still dunking
Speaker 1: and some people couldn't dunk when they got dragged. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was you know, it was tough. Honestly, I was
Speaker 1: coming to place. I was come to play retirement. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because you know, it was excruciating pain.
Speaker 1: I was feeling at times. I go out there the
Speaker 1: court and I tried to push through the pursuit of,
Speaker 1: you know, to come back, and it was like my
Speaker 1: knee would feel great one day and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's about to fall off. The next I was like, man,
Speaker 1: there's just too much to deal with, and so I
Speaker 1: just persevere. I stayed with it. My family kept giving
Speaker 1: me encouragement, you know what I'm saying, and so I
Speaker 1: kept like pushing through and pushing through. And then once
Speaker 1: I got over the hunt where I started feeling better, um,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I was like, man, I'm back.
Speaker 1: And so I was doing a lot of cardio, I
Speaker 1: was training, I was listening to all my training staff
Speaker 1: about proper sleep, about how to exercise properly and using
Speaker 1: proper technique, and so I was doing all that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then so when I came
Speaker 1: back that following year, I got first Team All NBA,
Speaker 1: got back to the All Star status, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was on from there. I mean, you touched on
Speaker 1: something that and that was well spoken on. I got
Speaker 1: a chance of experience. But how great that medical staff
Speaker 1: over Phoenix was. Yeah, they were top notch, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were cutting there because a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: things that we're doing now far as like uh, you know,
Speaker 1: from the technology of the equipment that we have now
Speaker 1: and been using, like the corrective exercise is to kind
Speaker 1: of get your body warmed up and work on certain
Speaker 1: muscles that triggered certain areas. They started that whole movement.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so Aaron and Aaron and where was
Speaker 1: a cowboy? Who them do? And the was Aaron Nelson,
Speaker 1: Mike Elliott, those guys. Yeah yeah, good crew matched out
Speaker 1: that crew out man. So but you come back, like
Speaker 1: the thing when I when I was reading over this
Speaker 1: stuff today with tripped me out. As you come back
Speaker 1: and you played eighty two games after a micro fracture.
Speaker 1: Then we've been talking, you know, throughout our time on
Speaker 1: this podcast, like eight two used to be a badge
Speaker 1: of honor, Like that's what everyone wanted to play. No
Speaker 1: one was trying to sit out for any reason. And
Speaker 1: the fact that you came off of microsactor surgery and
Speaker 1: played eight two games just spoke to what it used
Speaker 1: to be like in the goal we used to aspire,
Speaker 1: Like everyone wanted to play at two games back then, right,
Speaker 1: Absolutely not not not no more. They hang out too
Speaker 1: late and they gotta hang over headache and that last
Speaker 1: two days they're not gonna play. Ship is changed for
Speaker 1: short change, bro, Like back then, we're like eighty two
Speaker 1: games and you write so badge on them. And I
Speaker 1: played every game, you know what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 1: in the battlefield every night. I ain't taking no days off,
Speaker 1: no time off. It's like we're getting active every tingle
Speaker 1: night and the rest and none of that now in
Speaker 1: today's game. So old, it's an old it's an old
Speaker 1: different situation. Now, boy, they want to take days off
Speaker 1: and rest of recovering, time management, load management and all that.
Speaker 1: Like in the day, it was like who's getting active,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless get out, whether whether you felt like
Speaker 1: it or not. You know, I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: that whether you whether you was hungover or not, whether
Speaker 1: you was hurt enough to still play or not. Like
Speaker 1: you just played regardless. You might sweat that out that
Speaker 1: one that ain't mad that one game you want to rest,
Speaker 1: that same motherfucker thent of the bench they've been dying
Speaker 1: to get out there might take your minutes in one game.
Speaker 1: You never know, man, Come on that that next dog
Speaker 1: is always waiting. Two thousand seven, Uh, second seed. You
Speaker 1: guys end up making a strong push, um and run
Speaker 1: into San Antonio again. Talk to us about man, Man,
Speaker 1: We see we saw the spurs allway. Come here and
Speaker 1: I'll snip having nightmares. Like man, every ye read into
Speaker 1: the Spurs, man, and they always were like again, they
Speaker 1: always were like well ORed machine, Bro. They knew what
Speaker 1: to do, they knew how to handle business, they knew
Speaker 1: how to how to prepare themselves. The veteran guys, they
Speaker 1: were like on point where everything they made pop made
Speaker 1: the proper adjustments down the stretch um. And so again, man,
Speaker 1: we had a hard time to know the hunt with them.
Speaker 1: But y'all had to me. I mean, y'all had a
Speaker 1: good chat. That was the series. It was too too
Speaker 1: that Robert Ory ended up hit checking Steve into the
Speaker 1: thing you and I think Boris get suspended for a
Speaker 1: game for just stepping over the line, which was some
Speaker 1: bullshit ship And but I felt you guys had a
Speaker 1: real chiff. I thought that would have definitely went, you know,
Speaker 1: couldn't change the whole momentum of the series without those suspensions. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: question bro, no question, because you know when when that
Speaker 1: happened with Robert Horry, when he when he kind of
Speaker 1: chinned check Steve Steve, I don't know if he flopped
Speaker 1: or what, but when I saw him flying into the scoreboard,
Speaker 1: I haven't never seen the light that before. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking, I'm walking to the court, like
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like what is he? Like? What happened?
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. And so we had
Speaker 1: no idea that that would lead to a suspension, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so we sent that way
Speaker 1: on went on stut Jackson to make the call or
Speaker 1: whether we're gonna play or not for Game five, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's the playoffs. Man, for sure we
Speaker 1: would get a warning almost some almost for certain that
Speaker 1: would not to get suspended, like it would be a warning.
Speaker 1: Is the first time we ever did this. And he
Speaker 1: came back with a suspension call. I'm like, what you know,
Speaker 1: it's a crab crazy man, I mean, I come, I
Speaker 1: went out the side of Mars downtown, the restaurant across
Speaker 1: the street from the arena, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I went over there and took the firing over
Speaker 1: there and we watched because we we want allowed to
Speaker 1: go to the to the arena to watch the game.
Speaker 1: So I just went to the restaurant across the street
Speaker 1: and I watched the game in there, and I saw
Speaker 1: we had a chance to win. Game five was Beau
Speaker 1: was a close game, but we end up losing. Man,
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was heartbreaking, absolutely, I know
Speaker 1: that was hard. I mean two of your your your
Speaker 1: front court. Boris was a monster. Boris was an underrated
Speaker 1: monster for sure, And I mean, obviously should you already
Speaker 1: know what you was doing? So fast forward two eight
Speaker 1: lose Spurs. So that's when Pal goes to the Lakers
Speaker 1: and they make a run at it. Two thousand nine. Um,
Speaker 1: isn't when I had an opportunity to play with you,
Speaker 1: But I remember was it was it training camp that
Speaker 1: uh you got you gotta detach right now. I thought
Speaker 1: your eyeball, like literally, I thought your ship was gonna
Speaker 1: come out. I remember that day. Yeah, man, I was
Speaker 1: a training camp bro. It was like, uh, we had
Speaker 1: a scrimmage that day. We had a scrimmage. We weren't
Speaker 1: even at the facility. We of somewhere and scrimmaged. You
Speaker 1: guys are going for a loose ball in the corner.
Speaker 1: Who who? Who? Who poked your eye? It was boards, boards,
Speaker 1: d yes. When I hit the ground, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm like, I'm telling the training staff
Speaker 1: like I can't open my eye, just can't open it.
Speaker 1: And he's like a mard relaxes, your eye is open.
Speaker 1: And that's when I panicked, Wait my eyes open, hold
Speaker 1: hold hold on. Say that again. So when I so
Speaker 1: when I hit the ground, I'm sitting there like I
Speaker 1: can't open my eye. I can't open it. And then
Speaker 1: the training staff was like a marve, relax, year, I
Speaker 1: is open. So that's that's that's when my heart dropped
Speaker 1: because I couldn't see that one speck of light. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what my eyes open, but I can't
Speaker 1: see anything, you know what I'm saying. So I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man. So like they're like, don't panic, don't panic, relax.
Speaker 1: I'm I can't see. I can't see. And so they
Speaker 1: dropped like I dropped in there, and then you know,
Speaker 1: gave me like five minutes of soul Tim and his
Speaker 1: past by starts seeing like a little bit of light.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool, it's getting better. And then
Speaker 1: I saw some more like five tennutes later, and then
Speaker 1: then it eventually got back to a blurry state, and
Speaker 1: then it got back to like a pent eventually. Um
Speaker 1: and then so I went on and played like half
Speaker 1: the season, and for some reason, my I was feeling
Speaker 1: like a little bit like a little lazy kind of
Speaker 1: before the game. And we played the Clippers that night,
Speaker 1: so I went out. So before the game, I went
Speaker 1: to the training staff, I say, listen, I want to
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get my eye checked out.
Speaker 1: And I get back to Phoenix and so I get
Speaker 1: in the game play the Clippers. I got forty five
Speaker 1: that night, I'm saying, So going back to Phoenix, I
Speaker 1: go see the ID doubt. That just feel like a
Speaker 1: routine check up. He comes to me and said, Mari,
Speaker 1: you gotta have an emergency procedure. You have a detached retina.
Speaker 1: What I'm like, man, hold on, what's the retina? What
Speaker 1: do you mean emergency procedure? We got a game, We
Speaker 1: got a game Wednesday. He's like, your season is over
Speaker 1: like what I had forty five last night? What you
Speaker 1: mean my season is over? Like? So that's then, and
Speaker 1: then I had to go through that surgery, and then
Speaker 1: in order to recover from that, I had to put
Speaker 1: a gas bub in my eye to keep the retina attached.
Speaker 1: So in order for Twister, in order for that gas
Speaker 1: Bob to stay on the Retina to reattach It at
Speaker 1: the leaf, face down for twenty two hours a day
Speaker 1: for ten days straight. Remember that ship. Damn that was
Speaker 1: some real ship. Needless to say, our best, our best
Speaker 1: player goes down. So we we missed the playoffs that year.
Speaker 1: Uh but now I remember that eye injury. Bro, Like
Speaker 1: we was twenty two hours a day down, down and
Speaker 1: listen to time was like, all right, you got a
Speaker 1: doctor poement today. I'm like, yes, I getting I can
Speaker 1: look at how I can go outside. I look around.
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm about the going. I was going
Speaker 1: to disney World or something. Man crazy two thousand and
Speaker 1: ten Western Conference Finals, Lakers. You was battling with Kobe?
Speaker 1: What was that like? You know, we all we miss
Speaker 1: we missed Code. We lost Kobe this year, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't get a chance to battle with him.
Speaker 1: Y'all had some good battles in the playoffs. What that's like? Yeah, Code,
Speaker 1: Code was a forcedb be reckoned with Man. I bought
Speaker 1: a Kobe my whole career. Basically, when I first got
Speaker 1: to Phoenix, it was Shack and Kobe, and then it
Speaker 1: was then they brought in consulting them. So in two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, you know they had growing our tests
Speaker 1: at the time Metal World Peace. Uh, and so that
Speaker 1: had a solid team, you feel me, and so we
Speaker 1: did too. But every time he played cold, Cobe always
Speaker 1: pulled around after Hatt. Man, you always do some spectacular
Speaker 1: man the chance, I'm like, hold on Man, it were
Speaker 1: sent double teams at him. He faded, he turned away
Speaker 1: from the double team, fade in the base line. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, hesitation, split two dunk one time,
Speaker 1: like hold on Man, it's crushed time, Like we gotta
Speaker 1: stop Kobe, Like Grant, I'm telling Grant, I'm telling grand
Speaker 1: here Man, hey Man typened up man. But when you
Speaker 1: do what no we can do Man cold cold with
Speaker 1: special bros. Like, it's like I ain't never seen nothing
Speaker 1: like it. Mm hmmm. So that ends up that that
Speaker 1: that ends your time. Did you knew? Did you have
Speaker 1: a feeling with it in the air? Did you have thoughts?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there was trade talks when you decided
Speaker 1: to take your talent to the Knicks. How did that
Speaker 1: come about? Yeah? You know what, there was there was
Speaker 1: some trade talks in the year prior. And I'm like man, listen,
Speaker 1: we we we only want we if Cobe shot a
Speaker 1: corner air ball run our test caught the ball and
Speaker 1: scored at the buzzer. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: we were right there. You know, Western Conference Finals. I
Speaker 1: got a chance to go to the final. Is we
Speaker 1: only one game away? And so I'm like, listen, I
Speaker 1: just bought a crib in a bit more area. I'm
Speaker 1: looking to set up shot. My family's here, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I spent my summers in Phoenix. I'm
Speaker 1: always here. I'm doing everything for the community. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm locked into Phoenix, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so I get into I get into the negotiating meetings
Speaker 1: and negotiators. Then goal is playing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, hey, man, you know it is
Speaker 1: what it is that you know, like, well, I got
Speaker 1: guys that can replace you tomorrow. I'm like, man, you're
Speaker 1: talking like that to me? Who said who said that?
Speaker 1: This is What's I was saying. I do Turky Lout,
Speaker 1: you do Lott and Josh Children. I say, man, you
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. Man. So I end up going
Speaker 1: I went to the next man Jack Jack Jack, He's
Speaker 1: a clown. I mean you you heard, I mean, I
Speaker 1: funk with funk with he funk with heto and and
Speaker 1: and but come on, man, like cut it out. But
Speaker 1: but the fact, but the fact that he but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's talking to his franchise player like
Speaker 1: that just shows what kind of clown is. And then
Speaker 1: some some suckers, some suckers ship he said about me
Speaker 1: when I left, got back to me. That's why I wasn't.
Speaker 1: The year after I win, or maybe two years lay
Speaker 1: I got fined twenty five thousand were telling him to
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, for I smacked the shift out
Speaker 1: of him, right. I think he was right in front
Speaker 1: of his wife, but I wasn't even talking to him,
Speaker 1: and he was over there in the corner chirping, and
Speaker 1: I already didn't like him. I already didn't like him.
Speaker 1: So he started talking crazy and I turned around off
Speaker 1: the felt like, I'll come over there and slap the
Speaker 1: ship out of you right now. The playoffs he I
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, listen, man, you got if you can,
Speaker 1: sir with anything from a physical standpoint, you're not having
Speaker 1: faith in your training sad. The trains STA have the
Speaker 1: best in the league. It WNNA makes you guys stay healthy.
Speaker 1: And you got a hell of a combination with Stat Nash.
Speaker 1: You you want to break that up? You were going
Speaker 1: to break that up, right. You gotta let that ride,
Speaker 1: Ye what I'm saying literally, you gotta let the wheels
Speaker 1: fall off of that until they do. Yeah, because Nash
Speaker 1: Nash started his mid thirties, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm in my I'm like mid to late twenties. Even
Speaker 1: if you played another five years together and Nash we
Speaker 1: started retiring and whatever happens from there, but you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta see what we can do at least when
Speaker 1: that when that didn't happen, Now, I went to New
Speaker 1: York and we got a popping up in New York. Yes, sir, uh,
Speaker 1: When you decided to go to New York, was it
Speaker 1: a process where you would talk to anybody else about
Speaker 1: possibly coming with you or were they telling you that
Speaker 1: they were going after anybody else? Yeah? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean when I when I when Fredncy hit, it
Speaker 1: was like it's a big freatency that year, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Everyone was everyone Lebron. Everybody was like
Speaker 1: a fridge in that year. And so, um, Miami heat
Speaker 1: was the first thing that called me. Pat called me.
Speaker 1: We talked on the phone. I talked to the Rockets.
Speaker 1: I talked to the Nets at the time of the
Speaker 1: Jersey Nets at the time you know what I'm saying, Um,
Speaker 1: And so I talked to I talked to the few
Speaker 1: teams and in the Knicks, and so I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time in New York and my child years,
Speaker 1: I was raising Port Jervis, New York, and so I
Speaker 1: was always like, you know what I'm saying. Always I
Speaker 1: had a love from New York. Maybe though I was
Speaker 1: a Boys fan. My I was an m J fan
Speaker 1: growing up, but still had had love for the Knicks
Speaker 1: and the bull in New York growing up. So when
Speaker 1: when when my D'Antonio was there in New York and
Speaker 1: some of the coaching staff that I was with here
Speaker 1: in Phoenix was already there, and like this might be
Speaker 1: a nice fit for me to just go there and
Speaker 1: kind of pick up while left off. And so that's
Speaker 1: when I that's when I decided to go to New York.
Speaker 1: And you know, and and yeah, I want to bring
Speaker 1: some guys with me. I talked about bringing CP, I
Speaker 1: talked about bringing Tony Parker. I talked about bringing Mellow.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I end up bringing Mellow
Speaker 1: to New York. You know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: was already on that, like bringing players in to the
Speaker 1: city to make things happen here. Um, you know, so
Speaker 1: that was an old mission's What was it like becoming
Speaker 1: the Nick though? Like what was that experience? Like? Like, well,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people want to play in the garden,
Speaker 1: A lot of people want to play for the next
Speaker 1: just that experience of playing the Madison Square Garden. It's
Speaker 1: one thing being that watching the game, watching Spike and
Speaker 1: all of but actually being a player for the New
Speaker 1: York Knicks, one of the best players coming out of
Speaker 1: the locker room every day, dealing with the media and
Speaker 1: all that. What is it like actually being a New
Speaker 1: York Knick player? Enjoydan Man? I really did? I think
Speaker 1: at that time the front office was like on point.
Speaker 1: We had we had we had we had you know,
Speaker 1: solid GMS. We had Dunney wasahs there, we had Glenkwood,
Speaker 1: we had you know, Dunney Walston doing the heck with job.
Speaker 1: That's my guy. He was doing a heck of job
Speaker 1: in New York and everything was running perfectly from an
Speaker 1: organization standpoint. And then so when I was there with
Speaker 1: the Knicks, it was like, you know, um, everything is
Speaker 1: top notch. Everything. You got the Rockets performing a halftime,
Speaker 1: you got you got Taylor Swift during the pre game
Speaker 1: like a pregame. Uh um intro for the Knicks. My
Speaker 1: family meeting there, their favorite artists. Everything was ranked class A.
Speaker 1: Broadway shows. I was going to the net galls in fashion.
Speaker 1: I was one of the first guys to go to
Speaker 1: the fashion shows and city. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: sit in front rower and the win Tour. I was
Speaker 1: going to the to the operas. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I put on the tuch seed on go to the opera,
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, Like I was doing
Speaker 1: all that New Year's Brown Man shit. I love I
Speaker 1: love hearing about that off court because although it wasn't
Speaker 1: the championship type team, it's still you guys made the
Speaker 1: playoffs obviously, but it's still New York, you know, similar
Speaker 1: to l A, Like there's no experience like being a Laker.
Speaker 1: But then that experience like being the nick is right there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because in New York is
Speaker 1: obviously live. So it's dope to hear like all the
Speaker 1: ship off the court that came with it, because you
Speaker 1: guys are doing your job on the court. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: nobody was doing that. I'm like, listen, man, right they
Speaker 1: was in white plain, white player, man. Listen. I found
Speaker 1: me a penthouse in the city, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm gonna enjoy New York and also
Speaker 1: hold myself accountable to being a player I need to
Speaker 1: be to make this team a playoff team, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But yeah, it was definitely a vibe.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So despite a big season, you guys, uh
Speaker 1: go down to Boston, uh and come across an injury
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, and after that it never really
Speaker 1: seemed like you were No one's really paying for you,
Speaker 1: but you were injury ridden the rest of your time
Speaker 1: in New York. Yeah. I was struggling, man, I had
Speaker 1: a I was after like this like third year, I
Speaker 1: started having like you know, some my minor little injuries
Speaker 1: that were added up, and I was trying to get
Speaker 1: my step together, but I couldn't find the right proper
Speaker 1: technique with the training, with the training situation, and so
Speaker 1: I was having some knit not situations, like going through
Speaker 1: that whole process, and I couldn't really get it figured out.
Speaker 1: And so for like two and a half years I
Speaker 1: was written with like a little small, little injuries. It
Speaker 1: was effective, but it also felt positive about it because,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing in melow No, I was able to
Speaker 1: someone carry the load, even though it was tough for
Speaker 1: him to be by myself, but he was still able
Speaker 1: to carry to load and try to do what he
Speaker 1: could to make sure the team was still being successful
Speaker 1: while his big dog was still trying to get himself together.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was definitely a tough stretch there
Speaker 1: in the last two two years or so. We'll go
Speaker 1: into a little bit obviously of how mentally tough that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were a rising superstar, uh, multiple time
Speaker 1: All Star. You know, if it wasn't for the Spurs,
Speaker 1: would have definitely touched the finals, possibly want to ring,
Speaker 1: but then just not to be able to contribute when
Speaker 1: you're playing on the biggest stage. I mean Masson Square Gardens,
Speaker 1: the mecca you know. I mean you you spoke on
Speaker 1: how fun off the court was because you guys are
Speaker 1: doing your job on the court. How mentally tough was
Speaker 1: it being able to get over those hurdles knowing that,
Speaker 1: like God damn, like I know how good I am,
Speaker 1: I just can't do what I'm supposed to do because
Speaker 1: I'm hurt. Yeah, it was tough. It was tough, man,
Speaker 1: I mean it really was. I mean it took it
Speaker 1: took a lot of mental mental strength in order to
Speaker 1: understand and had had a mentally get over to get
Speaker 1: over the hump. I mean, I went. I was trying everything, bro,
Speaker 1: I went vegan for four months, trying to make sure
Speaker 1: he properly makes my body gets opt him on my
Speaker 1: opportunity to heal and get healthy. Um, I was doing
Speaker 1: it all, but I was trying to keep myself and
Speaker 1: know what I was getting proper rest and everything. Is
Speaker 1: trying to do whatever I can and to not be
Speaker 1: able to you know what I'm saying, to get out
Speaker 1: there and perform on certain nights. It was tough for me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. With My family kept me
Speaker 1: kept me focused. I'm saying. My children, my babies kept
Speaker 1: me locked in Like when I go home and see
Speaker 1: the smiling and hugged me no matter what. That kind
Speaker 1: of that kind of brought me back to a humble
Speaker 1: of humble experience. Um so that helped me along the way.
Speaker 1: When did the red wine bath recovery routine begin? And
Speaker 1: does that ship really work? Hey? Listen, man, I was, man,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was. You know this this
Speaker 1: female friend I was, I was, you know, talking with
Speaker 1: she gave me a gift, right, and she gave me
Speaker 1: a gift and to give was to go to this
Speaker 1: ancient bath place and you go in there, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like very romantic. You have like the hot tub, sala,
Speaker 1: the cold plungs, you got all this. And then the
Speaker 1: gift for me was like to take this wine bath,
Speaker 1: like a wine bath. I'll take a wine bath for
Speaker 1: so I go in there. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: take the wine. Get I get into the bath. It's
Speaker 1: like half wine half water. It's like ninety eight degrees
Speaker 1: a hundred degrees in the bath. They bring your ice
Speaker 1: water and also they bring your glass of wine and
Speaker 1: just relax. So I was doing it. Man. I took
Speaker 1: a little selfish shot and it went viral. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But yeah, anytime I had a day off,
Speaker 1: I go there and all the all the baths, right,
Speaker 1: the salt bath which us with body protroven nation, the
Speaker 1: cold pluns, contrast between cold and hot. You know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I jump in the wine bath. It was like a
Speaker 1: nice little day of recovery for me. And so that's
Speaker 1: what I was doing. You started doing that as a
Speaker 1: regular routine. How much with one of those wine bass costs?
Speaker 1: Because you said, you're only you know, you only soaking
Speaker 1: the finest of wines. Me, you gotta you gotta cut
Speaker 1: the check, baby, you gotta cut the check. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so how much? How much? How much with
Speaker 1: the wine bath cost? I need to know. I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a port drink of my marks that I love
Speaker 1: drinking ports. That's my thing. Ports. I love, Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we sitting on a cal I want to know
Speaker 1: what was your most expensive wine bath? Most expensive wine bath? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I asked some zeros to that. Yeah, because you're a
Speaker 1: bit you you big, big motherfucker. So it's gonna take
Speaker 1: a lot of bottles. Actually, you know what about the
Speaker 1: tub six for people. So it's like I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I've seen the thing you did on ESPN. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that was bigger ship. Yeah yeah. So from uh, you
Speaker 1: leave the Knicks in two thousand fifteen, signed with Dallas. Uh,
Speaker 1: bounce around a little bit, then you head off to Israel.
Speaker 1: What what what made you choose Israel? Did you feel
Speaker 1: like your time in the NBA was up, you wanted
Speaker 1: a new challenge, something different? What what what made you
Speaker 1: go over the water? Yeah? I found I went from
Speaker 1: Dallas to Miami. I played one year with the Heat
Speaker 1: and then um, then I went to Israel. So so
Speaker 1: the team in Jerusalem I became part owner of in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, and so I figured I figured I
Speaker 1: might as well go over there and just helped raise
Speaker 1: the equity of the team and also and also learned
Speaker 1: while I'm over there, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: so that's what that was part of the process of
Speaker 1: While we decided to go over to Israel, is for
Speaker 1: both reasons to to learn and also to try to
Speaker 1: raise the act of the other team. Michael Jordan, I
Speaker 1: played for the team I owned. How were you embraced?
Speaker 1: You mean, obviously NBA superstar uh, goes over there and
Speaker 1: plays for the team he owns. What was that fandom like?
Speaker 1: Because if you I never got the chance to play overseas,
Speaker 1: but I just when we went over When we go
Speaker 1: over there in the preseason or you see other sporting events,
Speaker 1: European fans are over the top. So I'm sure the
Speaker 1: love was crazy for you out there. Man. It was crazy, bro,
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I mean, I have my own song,
Speaker 1: had my own chance. Um. It was crazy, man, every
Speaker 1: every every game, it was like fans outside waiting force.
Speaker 1: When I traveled to Europe, we went to different places
Speaker 1: over Europe as fans, there were you know, posters and
Speaker 1: cards for autographs and photos. Um. And then I won
Speaker 1: a championship that year over there, my first year over there.
Speaker 1: Also it was like you know what I'm saying, it
Speaker 1: was incredible and it was. It was a great experience.
Speaker 1: M hmm. Once you won the championship overseas, you a
Speaker 1: god to them. I won a championship in the in
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic. Was that nine And I still get texting
Speaker 1: DM them asking me to come back. They they carried me,
Speaker 1: Matt from the arena. So I live enabled, which is
Speaker 1: called Pueblo and the weather was like five blocks from
Speaker 1: the arena. They carried me in my uniform from out
Speaker 1: the arena five blocks down to my house. This this
Speaker 1: so they that I'm just saying to say, overseas, they
Speaker 1: really appreciate the game and their fans. A law, you
Speaker 1: win the championship for them, they love you forever. I
Speaker 1: think I think they did that Jack texting you and
Speaker 1: ship still because they want you to come back and
Speaker 1: check on your kids you left over there. But I've
Speaker 1: never met in denial, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was eighteen nineteen. I've never seen that many beautiful women.
Speaker 1: You might have one of the time. I might. I
Speaker 1: might have one to tell you. That's why they still
Speaker 1: d M and you and texting bad numbers like man,
Speaker 1: mother Funker had a kid here ninety ain't seen him
Speaker 1: since I let me. I let me They probably eighteen
Speaker 1: so good. So you decided to convert to uh Judaism?
Speaker 1: When did that? Uh? What? What inspired that? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: I grew up in Israel LIKEE you know so so
Speaker 1: so I was always kind of engulfed in like the
Speaker 1: biblical understanding, and I was always like in tune with
Speaker 1: uh with with with the Bible, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So what I wanted to do is learn more details
Speaker 1: of what you know, what I'm saying, what the Bible
Speaker 1: is really saying. And then and then, and so what
Speaker 1: I was able to do is really get engulfed in
Speaker 1: like the learning from a deeper magnitude and all the
Speaker 1: details of like the intricate learnings. And so once I
Speaker 1: realized as a structure of that, once I realized is
Speaker 1: a way that you can really like learn all the
Speaker 1: blessings and how to build a closural insup with God.
Speaker 1: This is where this is where I need to be.
Speaker 1: And I realized that, you know, the ideal of like
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Judaism, but obviously like just being a
Speaker 1: Bible scholar, the idealist is to be able to to
Speaker 1: live like the profits lived and how to really how
Speaker 1: to connect yourself with a total with a total aspect
Speaker 1: of righteousness and how do you do that with as
Speaker 1: I was searching for that, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: for a long time. And so that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: what led me to like going through the conversion um
Speaker 1: in his room. So it sounds like a special place
Speaker 1: you man, you got over there and got to finish
Speaker 1: playing your career with the championship in the m v
Speaker 1: P and then you know, convert to something you've always
Speaker 1: been interested too. So that kind of ties me in.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were someone I mean if you don't
Speaker 1: get it, like people see you on the court as
Speaker 1: like a monster and the killer. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to details and and and and and art and and
Speaker 1: all these in wines and that the sophistication fashion you're
Speaker 1: into all that. Where did you pick up just all
Speaker 1: the nuances of life? Because because could you live it good?
Speaker 1: You know? It's funny, man, you know, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, like even my trouble and childhood growing up
Speaker 1: and having to move to run from the police, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, from one step to the next
Speaker 1: and all that, But I was I was able to
Speaker 1: kind of somewhat um learn from different cultures on where
Speaker 1: we moved to, you feel me. So we moved from
Speaker 1: like Florida to New York, from New York to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: from to North Carolina, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in the mixt of all these different
Speaker 1: cultures and learning from all these different vibes to where
Speaker 1: you know, as I've become, you know, a young man,
Speaker 1: all that that I experience is still instilled in me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So as I come across
Speaker 1: those experiences again later in life, just because naturally kind
Speaker 1: of reconnect to all those different elements that I was
Speaker 1: already somewhat you know, somewhat experienced when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So your journey as a player comes to
Speaker 1: an end the same year your new journey begins. How
Speaker 1: are you excited? Are you for this next chapter? Uh?
Speaker 1: And what's going to be an amazing book of your life? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm excited, man, I am excited. I think you know,
Speaker 1: the opportunity now is just not like I'm in business
Speaker 1: school right now, so I'm going from my master in business,
Speaker 1: so I'm locking in on that and just trying to
Speaker 1: really trying to get myself in a position well maybe
Speaker 1: they're like, really have a career outside of basketball. Um,
Speaker 1: and then this journey with like into the coaching space
Speaker 1: or to the front office space, whatever that may lead to.
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's an interesting moment in my life
Speaker 1: at the moment to be able to like really capitalize
Speaker 1: on there and then build relationships with the players, um
Speaker 1: and be to help school then on how to be
Speaker 1: successful on and off the court, um and So I
Speaker 1: think it's it's a great transition from playing because I
Speaker 1: played last year. I just played like three months ago
Speaker 1: with that MPP of the finals, and I got to
Speaker 1: a contract on the table to go back over and play.
Speaker 1: So I could still be very well playing right now
Speaker 1: professional basketball. But I but I'd rather just kind of
Speaker 1: come in and really start my after playing career sooner
Speaker 1: than later. It's fun. Hey, I tell you, Matt that
Speaker 1: I plan on going back getting my business degree. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be calling your phone so you can walk
Speaker 1: me through that, because you know, neither one of us
Speaker 1: been to college, so that's gonna be down. I know
Speaker 1: that was a step, that's that's a step in the
Speaker 1: focus you got really locked in. So I definitely plan
Speaker 1: on taking that stage, bro. So I'm gonna need your
Speaker 1: advice on that, sure. I mean my thing, My thing
Speaker 1: is always have like someone you can study with, like
Speaker 1: a tutor, or somebody who probably already have been there,
Speaker 1: or someone who's like into business already and already like
Speaker 1: involved in that space. So that way you can always
Speaker 1: like to learn with them and they can help you
Speaker 1: along the way because a lot of that stuff I
Speaker 1: never heard before, a lot of terms, a lot of
Speaker 1: situations within that, within that schooling process that I need
Speaker 1: to help with. And so I have a tutor that
Speaker 1: I kind of studied with and we both kind of
Speaker 1: learned together, and it helps me kind of learn as
Speaker 1: we go. If you can tell a story on your career,
Speaker 1: what do you want to be remembered as, uh your
Speaker 1: NBA legacy? I mean, honest with you, I mean I
Speaker 1: was I was a fierce error player. You feel me
Speaker 1: like I got tacked the rim and every by any means,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I think I think
Speaker 1: the ideal of my career is that I was able
Speaker 1: to persevere, you know, not only not only through life
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, but also through like yeah,
Speaker 1: and also through like the injuries of my career, being
Speaker 1: able to persevere and still come back play any two
Speaker 1: games and then become first of all NBA and then
Speaker 1: still you know, it's six times All NBA and still
Speaker 1: play eighteen years of professional basketball despite all that. So
Speaker 1: the perseverance, you know, is kind of where it's sat.
Speaker 1: As far as a basketball player, I mean, i've I've
Speaker 1: I was a part of an evolution of the game
Speaker 1: with the Suns. We we we we kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: somewhat change the game in the way we kind of
Speaker 1: evolved the game and push the game forward. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think that's very important in in NBA history for
Speaker 1: the guys who are able to push the game forward
Speaker 1: and change the game in the positive way, It's important. Um.
Speaker 1: And then when it comes when it comes to like
Speaker 1: Poster and guys were attacking the rim, I mean, I
Speaker 1: ain't something. Only a few guys that can think of
Speaker 1: that that attacked the rim. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: with more force than I did. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: only a few guys I can think. So, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud of what I was able to accomplish. Man.
Speaker 1: I thank God for allowing me to play eighteen years
Speaker 1: and still be able to maintain a career and provide
Speaker 1: my family. UM. So it was a success for me.
Speaker 1: When you look back on an eighteen year career, anything
Speaker 1: you change, um, I mean it's not too I look
Speaker 1: at I look at us. If I've made the right decisions.
Speaker 1: I mean, my idea situation was Evan was to play
Speaker 1: with the Sons all the way through a man Steve
Speaker 1: kind of rock out until we both retired. That was
Speaker 1: that would have been an idea situation for me. But
Speaker 1: I don't take that. The experience I had in New York,
Speaker 1: it was like I could never duplicate that again in
Speaker 1: my life. It was something that was amazing, amazing experience.
Speaker 1: So I can I can't really change anything because it all,
Speaker 1: it all made me who I am today. You know,
Speaker 1: all right, man, we're coming down to home stretch. You go,
Speaker 1: quick hitters. Uh. Top five artists any genre of music.
Speaker 1: Top five artists any genre music, tupac to core. Uh,
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye, m yes, Frank Sinatra mm hmm um. Let's
Speaker 1: see man, we got um artists right between my artist
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand. Oh what was that was that for?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm? And then and then I'm going with I'm
Speaker 1: going with Michael Jackson. Yeah. Uh, well rounded lists, little
Speaker 1: rounded list. What teammates you play with that gave you
Speaker 1: some memorable career advice? Shock that showing my teammate who
Speaker 1: gave me the most advice from a christa point, whether
Speaker 1: it was business, um, whether it's entrepreneurship, whether it's basketball terms. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think shock shocking when that gave me
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of polity advice, Um to
Speaker 1: help me out a lot. Hey, I've been wanting to
Speaker 1: get Shock bad on the phone or on the show,
Speaker 1: just to talk about the ship he would do in
Speaker 1: our fucking locker room. Bro. Remember what kind of wild
Speaker 1: as ship he would be doing every fucking with lou Now, Jack,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what kind of ship this motherfucking
Speaker 1: Shock was on in the locker room, Bro. Unbelievable, crazy
Speaker 1: at fun, there was no rules, like, there was no
Speaker 1: like are you serious? Like the nigger had no filter
Speaker 1: when it came to playing games. It was unbelievable. And uh,
Speaker 1: pick up game at the best park in the world.
Speaker 1: Who are for other players? You're taking with you? Pick
Speaker 1: up game, Steve, Uh, pick up game for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: Bright Nash For me, Um, it was like like random
Speaker 1: random players were like, Yeah, anybody, anybody you want, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing I'm playing. That's black top in the world. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing my I'm bringing, I'm bringing. I'm bringing a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of legends I played with. I'm
Speaker 1: bringing Jonathan Harket, you know what I'm saying from v A.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing my man. Uh m hmm, I'm bringing my
Speaker 1: man Tyrone Sally. Y'all ain't never heard this cash man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then if you go NBA, man, if I bring,
Speaker 1: If I put Shock and MG on the court, we
Speaker 1: could m hey two two of them nick names still
Speaker 1: got a house. Money played at West Virginia, both Man
Speaker 1: of Sally. I played the Mountainsion with. Both of those
Speaker 1: guys had like a forty five inears vertically point guard
Speaker 1: Trown settled like six eight win player. They both played
Speaker 1: college basketball. Mhm, shout out, shout out to the brothers.
Speaker 1: Name one player you always wanted to play with. I
Speaker 1: wanted to play with Lebron m I felt like I
Speaker 1: felt that Brian and I have a similar similar mindset
Speaker 1: when new comes, like trying to dominate the game. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It being able to have like
Speaker 1: that killer instinct on the court, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and applying leadership in ways that not only vocal leaders
Speaker 1: ship but also like you know, example leadership. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to play with Lebron because I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of similarities in the country of those attributes with
Speaker 1: me and with myself. Uh. Five dinner guests, dead or
Speaker 1: alive for another conversation. Five dinner guests. Uh Muhammad Ali, Um,
Speaker 1: Malcole Max mm hmmm um. Two parts are cool? Um
Speaker 1: was that? Three? Mm hmm straight? Um Abraham Lincoln mm
Speaker 1: hmm mm hmmm um. And I'm probably gonna go with Man.
Speaker 1: The fifth one, I'll probably go with Uh, Maya Angelo,
Speaker 1: May Angelo, nice, it's nice. Five. Next question, your answer?
Speaker 1: You have to help us. What's your answer? Okay? What
Speaker 1: guests you want to see on our show? What guests
Speaker 1: want to see on all the smoke and probably will
Speaker 1: I would love to see catching the mall and all
Speaker 1: the smoke? Oh? Ok do you hear that k dot?
Speaker 1: You gotta line? Okay, that you gotta line? Okay lately, man,
Speaker 1: I know he's cooking up something and laugh. I know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be h It's gonna be scary. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear with all this ship going on, you
Speaker 1: know here, man, I can't wait thinking Tupac coming Man
Speaker 1: facts all right, Mark started mind. Man. We appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, very much. Good luck this season with the
Speaker 1: nets and in your next chapter of life. Many fellers
Speaker 1: man must success. Keep up the good work, fellos. We
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, we're respected. Thank you, Bro, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Stat I appreciate you. And we got to get together
Speaker 1: and get on one of these parts man, when you
Speaker 1: get some time. Absolutely absolutely for sure. Alrightm o hey,
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