1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty one, 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: which is first airing in late June of twenty twenty. 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: We are going to be discussing blogging today. This came 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: from a request on I believe my blog or Instagram 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: or something. I lose track of where people are reaching 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: out to us. But Sarah and I have both been 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: blogging for a great many years, and both of us 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: are doing it in a little different way than a 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: lot of the blogs that are online these days. So 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: we realize there's a lot out there on how to 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: optimize your SEO and make a side hustle living whatever 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: from your blog. Neither of us are particularly cashing in 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: on our blog, but we have been maintaining the narrative 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: blog format for ten plus years. So what are your 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: favorite other blogs? Sarah? Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm with you, 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: like I think you have a similar preference, which is 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: that I tend to read these long running narrative blogs 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: with a very low click to comment ratio, meaning these 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: are probably mostly not bloggers making their living off of blogging, 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: which I think is part of the appeal right because 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm not as interested in someone live in the lux 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: blogger lifestyle. I mean, maybe you would be, but I'm 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: not really. I'm more interested in people with other careers 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: and other things that they do for most of their lives, 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: rather than someone who is a career influencer who has 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: interesting things to say about life. And you know, there 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: are two schools of thought. One is that like, no 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: one cares when you write a day to day account 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: of your life because that's boring and only interesting to you. 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: But as a reader, there are many people where I've 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: gotten sucked in long enough that I definitely care. Yeah, 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: and I care both on a like voyeuristic level and 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: also on a personal level. I mean, I had a 43 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: blogger that I've read for many years lost her father recently, 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: and I was crying as I read her posts and 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: her Instagram because that's, you know, I feel like I 46 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: know her even though I haven't met her in person, so, 47 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, like you can build these interesting relationships, especially 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: with commenting and with other interactions via social media, so 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: it's not entirely a one sided like I'm just watching 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: and not you know, this person would know who I am, too, 51 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: And there are many commenters that comment frequently enough that 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we have some sort of relationship even 53 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: though it's virtual. Anyway, those are the types of blogs 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I tend to like to read as well as right, 55 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: and I just thought of I went to my list 56 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: this morning, and I know I've mentioned some of my 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: favorite blogs before, but I don't know that I've mentioned 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: a couple of these random ones. Retire by forty what's 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: that one? That night? This is the most random blog. 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: It's written by a man who is in his forties 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: and retired at forty as an engineer. Although it's kind 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: of misleading because his wife works, so it's not like, yeah, 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: although they are living off of their passive income. Really 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. He I like his blog because there's 65 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: the FI aspect of it, which I find fascinating. And 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: he's one of those very super frugal FI people, meaning like, 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: yes he's financially yeh, financial, but it's because he's living 68 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: off of like some incredibly low budget and they are 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: socking away I believe, like fifty percent of even their 70 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: passive income right now, which is fascinating. And so I 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: like his blog because he shares both the numbers and 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: then also these like insights into what does family life 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: and daily life look like when you're living this uber 74 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: frugal lifestyle. Like it's just interesting. I also really like 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Kelsey of The Girl's next Door podcast. She has a 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: blog called Rising Shining and it's it's just adorable. It's 77 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: like an extension of her podcast, but it's very personal. 78 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: She shares things about her life, she shares cute baby pictures, 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: and you guys all know that I am a huge 80 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: fan of lag live's blogs. She was one of our 81 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: earliest guests on this podcast. It's flag live dot blogspot 82 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: dot com. She has three children in a similar age 83 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: ratio to mine, and so it's like a little glimpse 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: into what my future family life might look like if 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: my husband was a stay at home or not sorry, 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur who is mostly home, so not really, but 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: still it's very interesting. And she has a great narrative 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: voice as well, and she's an example of someone who 89 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 1: doesn't always post so consistently, but at the same time, 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: I feel like she manages to keep the narrative going. Yeah, 91 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to find that many blogs like this, 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean partly because it takes time, and so if 93 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: you are somebody who has a different career, like why 94 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: would you do this right for long term? And that's 95 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people encounter, right that they're like, well, 96 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, something has to give. It's probably not going 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: to be your career or your kids. So the blog 98 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: is like most hobbies, that would not be the thing 99 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: that is going to get time when you're really busy. 100 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: So there's it's hard to find blogs like this that 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: are then also narrative and not focused on, you know, 102 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: earning a living for the person. So yeah, I mean, 103 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: I like also the Frugal Girl, and we've mentioned we 104 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: read that very narrative. She actually earns like she actually 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: makes some money off of her blog, which is fantastic. 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: But I agree she's got kind of both sides going 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: on because it's a very personal it's starsal is way 108 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: more narrative than most of the financial oriented blog so 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: I enjoy reading that. Let's see, I started reading Frugal Woods. 110 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: She doesn't post all that often. I think it would 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: be she writes it epically long blog posts when she does, 112 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: but I wish she would just do like five times 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: a week, but much shorter. It would be a little 114 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: bit more. But my advice to have blogged this much 115 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: well more red than mine. So I'll stop. That's work 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: for her. Let's work for her, So I won't go 117 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: into that. But yeah, no, so there's it's hard to 118 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: find these, but I always feel like, oh, it's a 119 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: great gem when I when I do, you started, as 120 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: you've talked about on this podcast way back in the 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: dawn of blogging, I did. I started, And you know, 122 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: like it's funny because I feel like the people, by 123 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: the way that keep up these narrative blogs that are 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily very lucrative or lucrative at all, or maybe 125 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: they even cost people money, you have to love doing it, 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: like these are not people who like, you know, it's 127 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: not like I'm like, oh, God, another morning, I have 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: to write another post. Like I love that ritual in 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: my life. I love it just as much as I 130 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: love anything. I mean, it's one of my favorite things. 131 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: Or also, I wouldn't have done it for so incredibly long, 132 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: So I guess, like my biggest piece of advice about 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: starting a blog is like, don't do it unless you 134 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: really feel drawn to doing it. And if you don't 135 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: enjoy writing and journaling, then you may not enjoy it. 136 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's always fine to give it a try, 137 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily think it's like everyone should have 138 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: a blog, Like, no, I know everyone should not have 139 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: a blog. Yeah, it's if you want to have a 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: blog and you find that you enjoy that process. So 141 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: I did start in two thousand and four. I have 142 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: this very good friend named Vicky. She is a pathologist 143 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: and she's very smart, and I went to college with 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: her and sometimes she listens to the podcast, So hi, Vicky, 145 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: if you're listening, and she's like my personal influencer. Like 146 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: there are just so many things in my life that 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I can attribute to like, oh, Vicky's doing this, and 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it too, and like she's always right, 149 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: like she just she's just ahead of the curve in 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: many ways, and now she's embarrassed because that's how she is. 151 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, she had a blog, which is sort of 152 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: hard for me to believe now because I can't picture 153 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: her doing that. She has a very subdued social media 154 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: presence these days. And I copied her. I was like, oh, 155 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: that looks fun, and she had kind of like a 156 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: snarky tone, and it was it was pretty anonymous. I 157 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: don't think that either of us. You know, back then 158 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: everyone was doing these like live journals, and it was 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: kind of sneaky, and I never put my name in it. 160 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: It was it was pretty anonymous, and I was writing 161 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: as a med student. I was on a rotation out 162 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: in the middle of the country in North Carolina, kind 163 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: of a suburb of Fayetteville called Pembroke, which is just tiny, tiny, tiny, 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: and I was alone. I hadn't really wanted to go 165 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: on this experience, although in retrospect it was actually pretty 166 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: eye opening, So thank you Duke School of Medicine for 167 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: forcing me. Anyway, so I was on this rotation, I 168 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: was by myself, and I had a lot of free time, 169 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, Vicky has this blog. I'm going 170 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: to start a blog and I shall call it Lost 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: and All Alone because I am lost and all alone 172 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: in the backwoods of North Carolina. I found that I 173 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: really really just loved sitting down and writing my experiences 174 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: and writing a post every day. I haven't really gone 175 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: back to Delvin. I was careful, like I never included 176 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: patient names, but I certainly like went a little more 177 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: detailed into some patient vignettes than I ever would today 178 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: writing a non anonymous blog, because now I'm like, well, 179 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I know patients google me and like, there may be 180 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: some listening to this podcast right now, and that's okay, 181 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: which means I have to be sensitive and I can't 182 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: tell very specific stories. But back then it was very different, 183 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: and I know nobody was looking at my name and 184 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: finding that blog, and in fact, it didn't have my 185 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: name on it. Like I remember writing a story about 186 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: and I can talk tell the story because it was 187 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: from like sixteen years ago some random dermatology patient where 188 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: I looked in his boot and a bug crawled out, 189 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, that is just the epitome, you know, 190 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: like these med student experiences that would otherwise have been lost, 191 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: but because I had this fun blog, I could write 192 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: about them. Now it's changed a lot, and I don't 193 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: feel like I can write about those things, but I'm 194 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: certainly glad I wrote about them back then. And also 195 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: just the experience of being a med student and then 196 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: being in the lab and then being a resident and 197 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: so on and so on. So you know, yeah, that's 198 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: kind of my story of how it started and how 199 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: it grew, and I've certainly kind of gotten caught up 200 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: in different trends along the way. I went through a 201 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: little healthy living blog kind of phase in two thousand 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: and eight or so. I had discovered the blog Catheates, 203 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: and I actually had met kathin person. She's a very 204 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: sweet and nice person, and I felt sort of pressure 205 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: to go down that road because it was just like 206 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: the newest thing. I look at those posts and I 207 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: just cringe, like I just can't, even though I'm still 208 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: obviously interested in fitness and those kinds of health. I mean, 209 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: that was just a very interesting and bizarre movement, and 210 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: it's weird that I was part of it, but you know, 211 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: there you go, you live, and you learn. I was 212 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: looking at my WordPress site and I have three one 213 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty posts written over the last sixteen years, 214 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: so clearly I enjoy doing it. Yeah. No, I mean 215 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: I think the people who would stick with this best 216 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: who have other jobs to be people who have a 217 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: side interest in writing, right that they might have seen 218 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: themselves doing that as a life thing if they hadn't 219 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: done whatever it is that they are in fact doing. 220 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: And I know you've faked about writing books and things 221 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: like that, so I know that you have an interest there. 222 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: At what point did you start using capital letters? Not 223 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: that long ago? Embarrassingly like embarrassingly not that long ago. 224 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I have to go back twenty 225 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: thirteen fourt I think I was at you then, but 226 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: the I won, Okay, So, like when I started, everyone 227 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: was using lowercase letters. It was like cool. I mean, 228 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: I know that sounds ridiculous, but it was fairly normal. 229 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: And then I kept doing it because I had done it. 230 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Like you know, there were new blogs being launched in 231 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine when it was no longer cool, 232 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: and they were probably using capital letters. But I was 233 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of stuck because when I had started, and I 234 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: felt like I had to be consistent to how I'd started, 235 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: and so it took too quite a long time. I 236 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: did migrate to the shoebo dot com from lost and 237 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: all Alone dot blogspot dot com. That one didn't get 238 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: a lot of organic traffic somehow back in like twenty ten, 239 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: And I why did you come up with that? I mean, 240 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: obviously you weren't heart Hunger prior to a certain point 241 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: in here. Well, but it's heart Hunger starting in two 242 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: thousand and six, so you only had like two years 243 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: of blogging before you were actually that before I changed. Yes, 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: that's true. How did I? I mean, I still don't 245 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: really love the name now, even I guess I wanted 246 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: to come up with something fairly generic because a lot 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: of blogs, again this was sort of that healthy living phase, 248 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of blogs were like cookies and cupcakes 249 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: and celery or something you know, like or like running 250 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: in this and I was like, no, I don't want 251 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: to do that because I don't want to, you know, 252 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: stick myself into some particular brand. And so a lot 253 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: of people were calling me Sahu like that was kind 254 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: of my nickname at work, and I don't remember. It 255 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: might have been my husband's. He's good at naming things. 256 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: He might have came out with the shoe box and 257 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that kind of fits everything. 258 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: And I had my college roommate Azusa designed the logo 259 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to my blog, which is still there because I love it. 260 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: It's very minimal and cute, and she's like a professional 261 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: graphic designer, so it's cool to have a little piece 262 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: of her work on my site. Yeah, and it looks 263 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: like little shoebox, so it's I kind of feel like 264 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: I've gone with the theme. Although you know, today most 265 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: people just use their names. I feel like most professional blogs, 266 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Sarah Harthunger is a lot though it's a lot of letters, 267 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: so in a way, I feel like it's at least 268 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: better than my Duayne doesn't have, you know, that many letters, 269 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: although yours does. But your name is very phonetic, like 270 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: you're not. It's pretty easy to Oh, people have murdered it. 271 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's I remember the first day of seventh 272 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: grade when they were we were all in the gym 273 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: and they were calling names to go to our homeroom 274 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: and somebody missed. They mispronounced it Laura van Dorkum, which 275 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: is no great for the first day of seventh grade. 276 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: You're like, still hearing it right now, still hearing it 277 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: right now, but sorry, that is not will you know books? 278 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: So tell me tell me your blogging story. That was 279 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: like epic. We're almost ready for an ad break, but 280 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: I'll be mine really short before the ad break, which 281 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: is that my first blog was actually a paid gig. 282 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: I had helped write a book called Genius Denied with 283 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: a foundation that specializes in gifted education. I was writing 284 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: that in two thousand and three, two thousand and four 285 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: of the book came out, and then they decided to 286 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: launch a blog shortly thereafter, so they hired me to 287 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: maintain that. I did that for several years, you know, 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: just being paid by the hour of the post or 289 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,359 Speaker 1: something like that. I had written a book called Grindhopping 290 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: that came out in two thousand and six, and so 291 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: built a website. I had to help build a website, 292 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: but I had a website for that that I posted 293 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: on occasionally. I had owned Laura vandercam for years, but 294 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: it was just sort of a placeholder. My one sixty 295 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: eight hours was when I launched one hundred sixty eight hours. 296 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: I built up the site about a year before the 297 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: book came out, my one six eight hours dot com 298 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: where I did start blog loogging more regularly. So that 299 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: was the first that I was blogging for my promotion 300 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: at a regular basis. And then I bought like All 301 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: the Money dot com all hyphen v hyphen moneyed. I realized, eventually, 302 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: this is what happens when you don't know what you're 303 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: doing right. You know, all this should be just in 304 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: my brand, as opposed to separate brands for each book 305 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: and each thing I'm doing. So eventually all those websites 306 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: became directed to Laura vandercam dot com. And at some 307 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: point around when I think when All the Money of 308 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: the World came out, I started blogging there, just only 309 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. So it actually, you know, 310 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: hasn't been that long that I've been there, but I 311 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: have been blogging for a long time in various different places. Okay, 312 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break and then I 313 00:15:50,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: have some more questions for you. Okay, we're back, we're 314 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: blog Yes, so question you must. I mean, I feel 315 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: like most writers, they might like the idea of maintaining 316 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: a blog, but I feel like you go above and 317 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: beyond is that because you also really enjoy the ritualistic part. 318 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: Do you like it as a record? Like what you know? 319 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: What are your motivations to continue blogging so frequently and regularly? Yeah, 320 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: I'd say all of the above. I mean I like 321 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: it as a record of my life. I enjoy interacting 322 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: with my community just as telling stories about my life 323 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: and answering questions and discussing issues to gather. I agree, 324 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: sometimes it is hard to keep up with it just 325 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: because it's one more thing I am writing, and you know, 326 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't like to think of it all in terms 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: of economics. It's the one thing I'm not getting paid for, 328 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: so that makes it a little The tendency is always 329 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: to have it be the last thing, but I try 330 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: not to have that be the case because it is 331 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: my home on the Internet. Is where I present myself 332 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: in the way I wish to be seen. It's where 333 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: you can go read my work if you want to. 334 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: You can see who I am, and so it's worth maintaining. 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I have a lot of 336 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: community members who've been there for a long time. I 337 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: really enjoy interacting with these people. It's a social outlet 338 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: I guess is how I would put it. So yeah, 339 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I think that's one reason I really 340 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: do like it. Like you said, I like having that 341 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: creative outlet. I like talking about my life. I don't 342 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to believe anyone else is 343 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: interested in it, but you do. And I see that 344 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: as I read other people's I mean, I became interested 345 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: in your life by reading your blog, so I assume 346 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: something similar must happen for at least a few people 347 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: who come to my site. And that's that's kind of fun. Yeah. 348 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: I've been probably posting on average about four times a 349 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: week for ten years as well, So yeah, it's a lot. 350 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: You must like it, We must like it. Yeah. I mean, 351 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: some people might wonder I do have ads on my site, 352 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: but it is not I think I do that. I 353 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: mean I could just not do it at all and 354 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: earn nothing. I think there's something fun about like, you know, 355 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: unlike Laura, I don't earn that much for my creative 356 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, her life is she can kind of promote 357 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: her writing and see that as an adjacent thing, but 358 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: I certainly cannot. Especially, I might feel differently if I 359 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: like own my own practice and I was my own 360 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: brand and like charging patients, and they were like hiring me. 361 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: But I work for a big company, so I don't 362 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: get that kind of like I made something and earned 363 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: it myself kind of a feeling. And so that's why 364 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: I do enjoy the fact that my blog earns like 365 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: a pittance. Like if you I was doing the I 366 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: actually hadn't really even thought about the calculations, but I 367 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: spent about one thousand dollars per year on hosting costs, 368 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: because it does cost money to host a site, and 369 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: the more visitors you have, the more it actually costs 370 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: a host. And I like, I think I pay like 371 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: a flat feed, like three fifty a year, but then 372 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: I also have to pay about fifty dollars a month 373 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: in overage trees. That's like six hundred more a year, 374 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: So it's about thousand dollars. And then occasionally there'll be 375 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: other expenses in like having somebody upgrade my site or 376 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: update something, or like I hired someone to do my 377 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: newsletter that kind of a thing. So if there's an 378 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: expenses associated with it, and then with all those expenses, 379 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: I earn like a whopping like at the most five 380 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, so that would be six thousand 381 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: a year, but honestly, that's a rare month. The funny 382 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: thing is with COVID, my traffic has increased, but the 383 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: reimbursement per traffic has been cut about in half. So 384 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm earning I don't know, like three hundred a month 385 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: most months, so it's enough to keep the lights on 386 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: and like almost earn a minimum wage I spend doing it. Yes, 387 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: it might be because I, you know, I might only 388 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: spend like an I probably been than an hour of day, okay, 389 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: less it Yeah, then it's ten dollars an hour, so yeah, yeah, 390 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: so like, hey it's ten dollars, there's an hour plus 391 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: I can deduct some of the expenses so that I 392 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: so you know that that three hundred a month that's 393 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: before taxes, but I kind of deduct some of the 394 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: expenses associated with a blog, like the hosting costs and stuff. 395 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: So it's it's very interesting, yeah, and not people don't 396 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: understand that necessarily, that that you pay for increased traffic, 397 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: and that that is the case for a lot of places. 398 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: So if you have a very well read blog, it's 399 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: it's not a free thing to have out in the world, 400 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: like it actually costs you money to produce. Yeah, if 401 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: you don't have ADS and you have a well read blog, 402 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: then yes, unless you have some other way of earning revenue, 403 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: you're going to be at a loss. I mean that's 404 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: for me. That's one reason that I have ads, because 405 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't want my blog to cost me purely cost 406 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: me money. I mean, I feel like should get something 407 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: out of the effort. Okay, let's do favorite least favorite 408 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: posts of all time. So I only have a favorite 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: because I guess my least favorites are the ones that 410 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: get no attention whatsoever. And like, you know, I think 411 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: that people will be excited about it and then like nothing, crickets. 412 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: You don't have anything that you can look back and 413 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: be like, oh I wrote that. I mean, I'm sure 414 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: there is, but I don't know. I mean, because I've 415 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: been writing under my own name, like I've always been 416 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: somewhat aware that this is going to be out and 417 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be me, and so I mean 418 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: I haven't had particular huge changes in like life, philosophy 419 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: or anything since this has been out, So there's been 420 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: slightly less of that. I look back on some of 421 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: my you know, writing from high school in college and 422 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: be like, whoa, but this is this is different this. 423 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: Since I probably started blogging consistently mid to late twenties, 424 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: I guess it was more set at that point. But 425 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: I mean, one of my favorite posts is sort of 426 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: when I think of is Me. It was called Dear 427 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: Missus Patten and I don't know if people remember this, 428 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: but the Princeton mom so a couple of years ago 429 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: she wrote an She wrote a letter to the Daily 430 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Princetonian about how ladies on campus should be looking for 431 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: a husband their freshman year, as you do. I'm having 432 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: been a freshman at Princeton. I'm pretty sure that the 433 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: gentleman at Princeton would not have been prime picking in 434 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: that stage of life. But anyway, so she suggested this. 435 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: It sort of blew over whatever, and then she got 436 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: a book deal and wrote a whole book about this. 437 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: So I decided to write a response. It was partly 438 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: about how bad an idea this was. I mean, if 439 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: you meet someone awesome, great, but probably that's not. Her 440 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: point was also that Princeton ladies weren't going to be 441 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: satisfied with anyone who was less than a Princeton man, 442 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: and in particular, she was like, you know, going on 443 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: about like state schools and stuff, and of course my 444 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: husband graduated from a state school, and so you know, 445 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: I had this whole riff about like, you know, yet 446 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: somehow he seems to understand my intellectual awesomeness, and so 447 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: it was it was just you know, snarky, It was 448 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: about women. It was a you know, professional women. So 449 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: it's all these things I like to do. And so 450 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: that was one of my absolute favorites. I think one 451 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: of the smartest ones I ever wrote, which was inadvertently smart, 452 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: was to tease up the fact that I planned to 453 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: write about how I had been tracking my time for 454 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: a year, and it happened to be seen by the 455 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: right person who either forwarded or this editor at the 456 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: New York Times had seen it. I don't know if 457 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: she was reading my blog or what, but she reached 458 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: out to see if I wanted to write about it 459 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: for them, and so I then wrote an article about 460 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: tracking my time for a year for The New York Times, 461 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: and that got a lot of attention, which then also 462 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: allowed the folks that ted saw that article and reached 463 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: out to me about doing a Ted Talk in two 464 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, and that was sort of a very 465 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: instrumental thing in building a career as a speaker obviously. 466 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, that turned out to be a good post 467 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to have written. How about you? So some of my 468 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: favorite I don't have favorite posts, as I mean, I 469 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: should do a deeper dive, because I feel like there's 470 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of treasures buried in there, 471 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: but they're definitely buried. And when you have that much content, 472 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: actually it's very easy to kind of lose it all 473 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: because who wants to sift through three thousand posts and 474 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: find the good ones? But there are some that I 475 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: tend to link to more than others and enjoy going 476 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: back to myself. I'm very glad I have a record 477 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: of all my children's birth stories, actually because I've gone 478 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: to them on multiple occasions. Certainly whenever I was pregnant 479 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: with the subsequent child, I like to go back to 480 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: the pregnancy prior and see what the birth was like 481 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: and like what was happening at that week of pregnancy. 482 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: So those are kind of fun. I think it was 483 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: great when I wrote about starting a podcast and I 484 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: got like nine million positive comments and then you emailed 485 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: me like the next day and was like, let's start 486 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: a podcast. So that was a that was a successful post. 487 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: But yea, yeah, I don't have like a great list 488 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: of favorites. I do like some of my planning posts 489 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: and they are captured in like there's like a planning 490 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: tab in my blog. So I did corral some of 491 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: my most recent planning posts that I enjoyed. There least favorite, 492 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: I guess. I was like, should I even admit this? 493 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: I had this post from back in two thousand and nine. 494 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed because I thought maybe it was earlier, which 495 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: would you know, if I was twenty four that's kind 496 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: of like a child, and you can excuse me, but 497 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: twenty nine, I don't know. And I was writing this 498 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: tongue in chief piece like little piece about wanting a 499 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: running partner, and I wrote at the end like no 500 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Republicans need apply, like who am I? And someone called 501 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: me out on that, and I deserve it. I'm friends 502 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: with Republicans now, like they may be a Republican for 503 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: various reasons. We may have disagreements, but hey, that would 504 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: lead to juicy conversations while running, perhaps as long as 505 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: it was done in a respectful way, So that's my 506 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: least favorite. I should just delete it, but I like 507 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: part of me is such an archivist that I don't 508 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: want to feel free to lead me some more hate 509 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: comments on that post. But I hate myself for it, 510 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: so you know, don't need to like grind it, So 511 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: that would be my least favorite post. I mean, sometimes 512 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: people write comments that are not in the nicest fain, 513 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: and I don't mean comments that disagree. Like I wrote 514 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: a post earlier this week that I had some people disagree, 515 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: and most of the disagreements were totally respectful. They're like, well, 516 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: this is what I think and these are my reasons, 517 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, that's good. But then every 518 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: once in a while you get a comment that's just like, 519 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: you're a selfish, horrible human for writing this post and 520 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: maybe not with those words, but like kind of with 521 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: those words or like very much implied, and that sucks. Like, 522 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine to comment disagree, but if you've 523 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: chosen to spend time reading, it would be nice if 524 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: you could at least express things in a kind way. 525 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people sometimes just don't understand that people on 526 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: the internet are real human beings, Like I feel that 527 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: there's this I don't know, I mean, and even though 528 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: like we're sort of obviously real people like that we 529 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: about our own lives, which are not in any way staged, 530 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this person is just a figure on 531 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: the internet, and so therefore they don't have real feelings 532 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: or they're in the public, so it's like commenting on 533 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: any public figures. We're not you know, we're not We're 534 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: not like Beyonce or something. I mean, there's just it's 535 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: but so what I you know, I've occasionally written people 536 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: who've said something mean and personal and be like, here's why, 537 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: I know, would like to have this conversation, like you 538 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: know whatever. And I found that at least half the 539 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: time if I've sent a personal email to the person, 540 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: they respond in such a like nice and empathetic way, 541 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: because I think it's just people do forget that it's 542 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: a real person. Now, there's some people who may disagree 543 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: with me for X, Y or Z reason, and that's fine, 544 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: they're never going to be interested in having a conversation. 545 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: But I think that yeah, or they write as a 546 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: non ann But but I think, you know, in general, 547 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: people who comment on my blog are incredibly nice and thoughtful, 548 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: the same as yours, and I so appreciate that because 549 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: I know some blogs have had to basically stop commenting 550 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: because of how atrocious the comments become. So I'm really 551 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: grateful that that's so as far has not happened. Yeah, no, 552 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: me too. It's ninety nine percent is good and I 553 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: and I really again, I appreciate when someone disagrees and 554 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: does it in like a nice way, because often they 555 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: bring up points that like I'm like, oh, yeah, that's 556 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: a that's a good point. My point. My post was 557 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: about school, and someone's like, you know, don't forget that 558 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: there's like elderly staff people at school, and so that's 559 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: a consideration. I'm like, yeah, that's that's a good point. 560 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: And you didn't say it in like augh, this is 561 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: so stupid. You forgot about You must be a jerk. 562 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: It was like Grandma killer. Maybe maybe you didn't yeah, 563 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't think of this. And it's like oh, 564 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: and then I noticed that other commenters will actually say 565 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: things like oh, I love how people will write comments 566 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: here without getting angry, and I'm like, yes, that's that's 567 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: the best. So you're right, Yeah, ninety nine percent at 568 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: the time. It's great, all right, So Sarah, it is 569 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: not two thousand and six. Should people start blogging if 570 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: they want to, they want to? Yeah, I mean, and 571 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: then there's there's people that might want to start blogging 572 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: purely as a business and they're looking for clicks, and 573 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: I almost feel like that's an entirely different discussion. I mean, 574 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you want to call it 575 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: a blog. There are probably like curated online shops or 576 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: kind of influencer type careers that one may embark on 577 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: that is very different than what I think of as blogging. 578 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: So I think you have to think about what you 579 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: want out of the process. If you're interested in having 580 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: a personal record of your life, which is actually very fun, 581 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: and building a community and maybe sharpening up your writing 582 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: skills and building a daily ritual or weekly ritual or 583 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: whatever of writing, then yeah, try it. Why not? I 584 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: do recommend considering starting with WordPress, because Blogger does work, 585 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: and it is a little bit more user friendly to start, 586 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: like a tiny bit maybe, but it is kind of 587 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: hard to convert to word Press later on if you 588 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: choose to, you know, monetize or certain things you can't 589 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: Blogger just has less flexibility. It's if you then want 590 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: to convert it into like, yes, exactly blog. Yeah, so 591 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: I recommend looking at WordPress, although there's other newer kids 592 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: on the block too in terms of ways to start 593 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: sites now that I probably don't even know about square 594 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: space and Wix and do you come up with your 595 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: ideas so random. I just sit down and I'm like, 596 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: this is what I feel like writing today. There was 597 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: like no planning. Yeah, because what about you? Because it 598 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: seems like you might be the kind of person who 599 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: would have a blog calendar. Nope, And when I try 600 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: to do that, I like don't enjoy it anymore because 601 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: then it feels like an assignment. I don't want it 602 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: to feel like an assignment. I want to be like, 603 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: this is what we're riffing on this morning. So yeah, 604 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of kind of different. But you 605 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: don't have a plan either. I don't, do you not terribly. 606 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I each week, when I'm setting my various 607 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: priorities for the week, I list out potential topics for 608 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: the blog, and you know, some of it is seasonal 609 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: and some of it is based on what's going on 610 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: in my life or articles people have sent me that 611 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: they say you should comment on this or whatever, But yeah, 612 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily stick with what I've written there either, 613 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: so because usually things are inspired by something you've read 614 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: or something that happened, and it's harder to plan that. 615 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: And I do find that well, I mean, I think 616 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: it gets me in trouble sometimes because if you write 617 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: about something when something's too fresh, you may not have 618 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: considered all angles. I mean, but that's the beauty of 619 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: the fact that it's a blog and not like a 620 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: New Yorker piece, right, Like a blog can be spontaneous 621 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: like that, and it doesn't have to have all the nuances, 622 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: and maybe the commenters will bring out some of the 623 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: nuances that you forgot, as long as you leave your 624 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: language fairly open and you don't act like you're stating 625 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: like the rules for life or facts or something like that, 626 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: which it can be easy to fall into that sometimes 627 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: because you're like, well, it's my site, but you know, 628 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: there's a fine line and you can keep a running 629 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: list somewhere. If people do find it a little paralyzing 630 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: to sit down and write, I mean, it does get easier. 631 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: If Sarah's written three thousand posts like probably she's not 632 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: going to run out of ideas on number three thousand, 633 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: But you know, you could keep a running list somewhere 634 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: of ideas that might be interesting or topics you've seen 635 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: other bloggers cover, you know, just things about your life. 636 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: What you did this weekend. I mean that's always a 637 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: topic you can write about, what we did this weekend. 638 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, recurring themes can be fun too, Like I 639 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: have a few blogs I like where they like lag 640 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: live always lists her dinner plans like every two weeks, 641 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: and I enjoy that. So if you come up with 642 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: certain things that you like to write about and can 643 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: kind of add variations on those, if you want that 644 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: more templated approach, you could go there. All right, well 645 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: shall we any other blogging advice you have? Or okay, 646 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: well I wish on one tiny last thing because people 647 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: wonder about like posting your kid's pictures. When my kids 648 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: were babies, I did not ask permission. I know some 649 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: controversy in the world. I feel like babies or babies 650 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: and as long as you're sensitive. This is my own 651 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: opinion again, like not what's right in the world, but 652 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: I felt like, as long as I'm not posting full 653 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: frontal nudes, and I'm kind of picking pictures where my 654 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: kids are cute, Like, I'm not gonna post tantrum pictures. 655 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't like that. Then I think it's okay. And 656 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: then as they get older and more cognizant, like kind 657 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: of Cameron's just reaching that age now he's six, I 658 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: will show them. I'll be like, I'm posting these pictures, 659 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: is that okay? And ninety nine percent of the time 660 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: they're like, that's fine, because again, I'm not choosing pictures 661 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: where they're making like a dirty face or like doing 662 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: something dumb or having a tantrum, because that would not 663 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: be nice. And I don't want one of their classmates to, 664 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, pull that up and message it to them 665 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: five years from now and have it be embarrassing. So 666 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: I do kind of include them in the decision making, 667 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: and I try to be sensitive about topics or use 668 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of anonymity. Having multiple kids helps with that, 669 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: although you're better off than I am because people can 670 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: kind of figure things out sometimes. Yeah, now, well with five, 671 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: I mean you could sort of figure it out with 672 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: the five of them anyway, but no, I mean baby pictures. 673 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: It seems to me is fine and that you know, 674 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: now I've been posting a lot more pictures of a 675 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: kid on the blog now that I have a baby again, 676 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: I tend not to do it that much just which 677 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: but then I have been on Instagram, so it's hard 678 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: to know what's right to do there or not. The 679 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: one exception now is is Jasper because he's doing more 680 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: stuff as him and he's cultivating his own he's cultivating 681 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: media owne presence. And we've discussed that of being very 682 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: careful of it. And you know that who you wish 683 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: to be at thirteen to the world that may be 684 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: different from who you wish to be at eighteen and 685 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: at twenty three and at twenty eight and all that, 686 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: so making sure that things will always be okay. But 687 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's okay that he wants to 688 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: write for places, and you know, it's the same thing 689 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: why I started a blog. You like to have a 690 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: place to write your stuff that you want to write, 691 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: and if I can, you know, let him have that opportunity. 692 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes he's happy to write posts for me. So's the well. 693 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: We could check out his writing tips they were just published. 694 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: Plus we're running the The Little yet but back In 695 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: late May, he had a guest Google Jasper's writing tips, 696 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: Laura vander Cambell. Exactly. All right, quick, let's get to 697 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: the Q and a yes. So, oh, any recommendations for 698 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: a book on how to I just planted this random question. 699 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: You better come up with that something well. One. So 700 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: Lindsay Pollock, who's a friend of mine and is well 701 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: known and sort of the career spheres is, has a 702 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: book called Becoming the Boss, and I think that that's 703 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: a good title for anyone who's moving into a leadership position. 704 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: It's probably aimed slightly at younger people, not like twenty two, 705 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: but if let's say you're thirty and your first time 706 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: you're in management, this would be a good book for 707 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: you to check out. Bruce Toulgan has a book called 708 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: It's Okay to Be the Boss, which is another one 709 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: for people who are moving into management and need to 710 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: figure out how I do that right, Like, how what 711 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: do I do to give instructions to people, to give 712 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: feedback to people when I'm you know, I have only 713 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: had the experience of being an individual contributor before. So 714 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: those are two options to check out. And by the way, 715 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: this question was specifically by someone that is starting a 716 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: new leadership role after returning from maternity leave. So I'll 717 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: also give a quick shout out to the Fifth Trimester 718 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: by Laurence Smith Birdie, which is all about going back 719 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: to work after maturnity leave, and it's a nice, light, 720 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: friendly read talking about that special period of life. Yes, exactly, 721 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: all right, So love of the Week Sarah is no 722 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: longer sweating. I guess yeah, I'm going to give my 723 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: love to Florida Power and Light because we had a 724 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: big power outage at like five point thirty in the morning, 725 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: and I frantically emailed Laura using my phone's data saying, 726 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: oh my god, our powers, how are we going to 727 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: record podcasts? And also our air conditioning is now out, 728 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: so that's terrible. And then about an hour later, at 729 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: like seven fifteen, I gleefully emailed you that it was 730 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: back on. So yeah, Florida Power and Light so easy 731 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: to take for granted when we have it, and then 732 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: when you don't, it's like the worst thing ever. So 733 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: I've been really grateful for Did I already mention the pool? 734 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure I did the Pool as a Love of 735 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: the Week, but we're really loving it this week, and 736 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it right now because the cover just broke, 737 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: So it's it's a Love of the week that is 738 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: not available today, sadly enough, but we we've really been 739 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: appreciating been able to go in that as the weather 740 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: gets nicer and we're still unable to go to anything else, 741 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: so Love the Week. Hopefully by the time this airs, 742 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: you will be enjoying that pool once again. I assume 743 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: we will. All right, Well, this has been best of 744 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: both worlds. We've been talking about blogging and we will 745 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work in 746 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me 747 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoe box dot com or at the 748 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me 749 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the 750 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time 751 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.