1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ and 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Bucky back with you. And we've got our good pal 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: with us today, Peter Schrager, Pete, what's up? Man? To 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: my favorite guys in the business and my favorite podcast 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: to listen to while I'm attempting to work out during 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Guys, thanks for having me on, Thanks for 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: being with us. But hey, first of all, Buck, how 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? Man? I'm good. I am good. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: It's been a fun field weekend. A lot of football 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: news that took place this weekend, but now it's good. 12 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm good. Up with you, I'm good man. The Potter 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: is one seven in a row. I've got my Tattoos 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: Machado election shirt on right now. Strieger is a Yankee fan. 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: This is all beneath it. I just actually the two 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: teams I can't say anything about. I'm on with a 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 1: Dodger fan, the best team in baseball, and a Yankee fan. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: We're probably gonna win the World Series, So I guess 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: I'll shut up. You know, I just I mean, I 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: just appreciate the way the game is played in a 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: traditional and you know, ethical way. And I guess what 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: your support is this new wave that I just I 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: can't get behind. Hey, three oh count basses loaded? This 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: guy swinging for the fences. No, that's classy, sound like 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: mad dog right now, that's fantastic. Hey, shrikes, let's get 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: things going. Here's a lot to get to. We got it. 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: We got about thirty minutes to roll here. Um, I 28 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: want to get your take first of all, Earl Thomas, 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: and what went down there and your reaction to it. Yeah. Look, 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: last year in March, they signed mark Ingram and Earl 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Thomas two big free agent deals, hoping they'd be the 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: veteran leaders. Mark Ingram has taken that role and ran 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: with it and has been in the consummate teammate. But 34 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: everything I heard now again it's after he's already been cut. 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: But I go and I do my work. And Earl 36 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Thomas was not that leader and was not a great teammate. 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, this was just 38 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: the boiling point or the last straw. I mean Week 39 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: four last year they lost forty five to the Browns. 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Apparently he had an altercation with Brandon Williams was a 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: beloved player in that team, in the locker room, um, 42 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: late for meetings, all that stuff. But the word was 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: ever you know, leader, and it wasn't ever voice of 44 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the locker room. It was really other stuff. And that's 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: not what you need for that amount of money and 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: a player of that age. So I'll just say this. 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: They weren't wishing him well on his way out. And 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: there's not a long line of raven staffers who are 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: crying this morning, you know, Peter in In in terms 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: of that, like just talking about Earl, what does this 51 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: do for him going forward? Because this is two teams, 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: and I would say two teams who have really strong 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: reputations for dealing with guys with a loud personalities. What 54 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: is that market gonna be like for him going forward? 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I don't know many interested. Everyone assumes that the Cowboys 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: would jump right at it, or that dan Quinn, because 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: his history with him in Seattle, would want him in Atlanta. 58 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn came out early Monday morning said we have 59 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: no interest at the time, and the Cowboys, look, we've 60 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: we've been linking him to the Cowboys for three years now, 61 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: so we'll see. But at that price, probably not much interest, 62 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: but you're right, Bucky. I mean, who doesn't love playing 63 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: for Pete Carroll and that Seahawks organization and who doesn't 64 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: have the strongest of praise for the Raven to what 65 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: they're doing there in Baltimore. It's it's not like these 66 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: are two random teams either, two of the most winning 67 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: as franchise of the last decade, and kind of talked 68 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: his way out of both. Bucky. I want to get 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this because we always talk about in 70 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: college when we're scouting guys for the draft about don't 71 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: don't scout the helmet, you know, scout the player. There 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: could be a better player in North Dakota State than 73 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: there is in Alabama. You can't get caught up in 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: the uniform. I think with veterans sometimes you get we 75 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: get in trouble when we scout the name and all 76 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you look at their game. Where 77 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: their game is right now does not match what their 78 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: name or their reputation is. Personally, I don't think Earl 79 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Thomas is that great of a football player anymore, and 80 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: to me, that goes a long way in deciding his 81 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: fate here in Baltimore was it. It's that's the diminishing 82 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: returns man. At some point in time, it's like, this 83 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: is not it's not worth putting up with this for 84 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: what we're getting out of it. And you've been around 85 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: teams for a long time, Buck, and I saw you 86 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: on Twitter talking about this, that this decision to me 87 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: and I this is what you said. I agree with 88 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: you when you're talking about it's it's not a management 89 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: versus player or coaches versus player. This was player versus player. 90 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: The players wanted him out of there. Yeah, And I 91 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: think that's the telling thing. It's one thing if he 92 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: had a misstep and the coaches were doing it, but 93 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: the players like, not coach, we can get it together. 94 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: But when players go to the coach and say, coach, 95 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: he's not one of our kind of guys, like you 96 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: have to let him go. And Peters alluded to the 97 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: stuff that was coming out of them about like Earl 98 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: missing meetings, not getting along with teammates, being on his 99 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: own plan. They covered for a lot of that for 100 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: a long time. And I think this was the boiling 101 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: point because this the guy that he attacked or fought 102 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: was someone who was like beloved by the squad, and 103 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: I think they were like, look, coach, we can't keep 104 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: putting up with this. Sometimes you have to have audition 105 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: by subtraction. I think that's what the Waltimore Ravens feel 106 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: in this case. Yeah, and Chucky Clark is the player 107 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: who during practice who they love and rave about and 108 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: have really high hopes for. So you have that situation. 109 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: He put it the visuals on Twitter or Instagram. What 110 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: are you doing? I mean that it's like a cardinal 111 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: sin in the locker room. And then my last ding 112 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: is like, you know that they have confidence in the 113 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: young man Deshaun Elliott, who has played six snaps in 114 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: his NFL career and has just played and appeared in 115 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: six games. But for him to say we're good, you know, 116 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: two weeks before the season, going with a third year 117 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: guy out of Texas Deshwan Elliott over a player who 118 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: has more Pro Bowl appearances than Deshaan Elliott has game appearances, 119 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: tells you a lot about what they think they have 120 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: in their locker room. It's funny, Peter, because you talk 121 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: about that. UM. I think it's important to compare Earl 122 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Thomas to the guys that left the locker room recently 123 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: at that position. Eric Weddle is an A plus dude 124 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: model teammate great Tony Jefferson a plus dude. So when 125 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: you have those kind of dudes that this generation has 126 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: played with, Earl Thomas doing his own thing was not 127 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: going to work in the locker room. Yeah, it look 128 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: it to me, it's signed. It's a sign of a 129 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 1: good organization and a good culture, and that everybody makes mistakes. 130 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: What's different between teams not Some teams make mistakes and 131 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: others don't make mistake. Makes the difference is people the 132 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: good organizations recognize the mistake, take the financial hit. Even 133 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: if you even think you recoup some of this money 134 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: through through uh what is the contract detrimental? I guess 135 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: what they're calling it. You recoup some money, it's still 136 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: a hit. But to me, it's okay. What's the greater 137 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: good here? And I think that's the difference between these 138 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: smart organizations and dumb organizations. As you admit your mistake, 139 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: you cut your losses, and you move on. Pete. Yeah, 140 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: and you know there's all that talk of Antonio Brown 141 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: coming to the Ravens. There's talk of des Brian coming 142 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: to the Ravens maybe does is you know, fully all 143 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: in all the time, but like there's a very particular 144 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: chemistry and culture in every building and Earl Thomas they 145 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: had them for more than twelve months. They rode that 146 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: out whatever, And I don't see the Ravens as one 147 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: of these teams that doesn't vet and really go through 148 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the process of due diligence of what they're bringing into 149 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: their building. And to just think they're gonna drop Antonio 150 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Brown in after a fourteen and two season in which 151 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: I had the most offensive production out of any Ravens 152 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: team ever. They might be able to use them on 153 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 1: the field, but remember it's more than just on the field. 154 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: It is representing the logo, representing that organization and also 155 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: representing that entire locker room. I'm not sure Antonio Brown 156 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. If you just saw what 157 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: they did with Earl Thomas, I agree with you. I 158 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: want to get now to what's going on with the 159 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: New York Giants because I saw you on Good Morning Football. 160 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: And for those if you're one of the handful of 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: people that listen to this podcast that don't watch Shregs 162 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and Company on Good Morning Football, shame on you, it's 163 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the best thing go on television right now. We love 164 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: watching it. But I did see I think Kyle went 165 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: in all in on Joe Judge uh and talking about 166 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: how he he loves it. He loves this kind of 167 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: old school approach. So I want two things from you, shregs. 168 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: I want a what is what are you hearing? What's 169 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: how is he being received in the locker room there 170 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and in the organization? And two, I want your honest 171 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: opinion of whether or not you think this is going 172 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: to work with the Giants. Okay, first and foremost, they 173 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: are a young team and I would almost say they 174 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: don't know any better, so they're all in from what 175 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm told the players, like I heard at Thursday's practice, 176 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: se Kwan made a mistake in just picked up his 177 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: pads and went and did a lap around the practice field. 178 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, Wow, Sa Kwan is doing it. We've all 179 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: got to do it. I've heard position coaches have been 180 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: running laps with the players after they make mistakes. And 181 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: I think the New York media is eating it up 182 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and then and the fan base is jumping right in 183 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: because the last two regimes, Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermer 184 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: are not that disciplinarian, and yet when the Giants have 185 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: had their most you know, winning a seasons are great success. 186 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: It's been with Coughlin and Parcel, so this is almost 187 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: a throwback to those days. Now, whether or not, the 188 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: media loves it and the players are buying in and 189 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: the talk radio guys are all applauding it. Right now, 190 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: the question is what happens if they start out oh 191 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: and four, How does this go and how will these 192 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: young players react when it comes November December and he 193 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: wants more out of them and they want to see 194 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: this results because he has a thirty eight year old 195 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: head coach for the first time at any level. I 196 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: don't know how this goes year one. I think it's 197 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: working right now, and all the logic in the world, 198 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: it makes sense. And I'd love to hear Bucky's thoughts 199 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: on this, because he's saying the Steelers aren't coming in 200 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: to do kumbaya, Like we're about to play the Steelers 201 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: in fourteen days, so if we haven't tackled anybody yet, 202 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's considered such hardcore coaching. I 203 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: think it's just what we need to do. Everyone seems 204 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: to be on board. Joe Judge is not Belichick, of 205 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: course with the success and all that, but also there 206 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: is a lighter side to him. He is a bit 207 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: of a joker and he's has have a sense of 208 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: humor as he's shown to the teammates his team behind 209 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: closed doors, I'm told, and players seem to like him. 210 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: So I think it's working. But this is obviously a 211 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: boiling pot, and if it doesn't go well early, these 212 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: guys could say right away, we might be out of 213 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: here on this. You know, Peter is funny that you 214 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: bring that up if he don't. The only thing I've 215 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: ever said about it is if he's being authentic, if 216 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: this is who he is and what he really believes in, 217 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: it can work. But he has to build a relationship 218 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: with the players. It is very reminiscent of Tom Coughlin 219 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: taking over Jacksonville when I was down there. When the 220 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: team is young and they're fresh out of college. They 221 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: don't know any better because this has all they been 222 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: a exposed to, and so he can't get away with 223 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: it in that vein. I'm curious though, because Jason Garrett 224 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as being that type, So how is 225 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett going to fit in under this kind of tight, 226 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: super detailed regime when that really wasn't his emo when 227 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: he dealt with the Dallas Cowboys an and he's been 228 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: the hidden character throughout this training camp. He hasn't done 229 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: a ton of media. He's got his own office kind 230 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: of lay is low and it's been the Joe Judge Show. 231 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: I think Joe Judge is leaning on Jason Garrett. And 232 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I did an access to talk some folks in the organizations. 233 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I was asking, well, what's Garrett's role? Is he calling 234 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: the plays? Also, like Jason Garrett's the offensive coordinator, you 235 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: will see him do media availability. That will happen. But 236 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: this is Joe Judge's team. So I wonder if the 237 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: players are getting a little annoyed with Joe Judge or 238 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: it's getting it to be October and that high energy, 239 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: you know, raw ros stuff is wearing thin. Do they 240 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: turn to Jason Garrett for another voice and say, well, 241 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: this guy did it for ten years and maybe we 242 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: live it should be interesting. I think the Giants are 243 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: one of the more fast anating teams in the football 244 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: world this year because I don't know what we're gonna 245 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: get and yet there's a ton of young talent and 246 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: if this coach is the right higher, this could be 247 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge win for that fan base. Let's 248 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: stay in the same city there with the Jets. You've 249 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: been talking about it. I've seen on TV talking about 250 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: it about some optimism. Obviously with Sam Donald. You're talking 251 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: to two guys that believe in Sam. Believe in Sam 252 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: coming out. So we're, you know, very optimistic and hopeful there. 253 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,119 Speaker 1: What are you hearing there and what do you anticipate 254 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: happening with this offense and how this whole group comes 255 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: together with some question marks on the outside, but a 256 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of new pieces, in my opinion, some nice upgrades 257 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: up front. Yeah, look on paper they upgraded with the 258 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: offensive line. Everyone speaks the world of Beckton. I don't 259 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be great out of the gates, 260 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: but he at least is big enough and he's gonna 261 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: play um. But you know, you nailed it on the outside, 262 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: Like Denzel Mims hasn't done anything because of the hamstring, 263 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: Perryman walked off with an injury. Vincent Smith's done for 264 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the year. You don't have Robby Anderson back. You're looking 265 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: at Jamison Crowder and Braxton Barrios and Chris Hogan a 266 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: week into his Jets career, I don't know who he's 267 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: throwing to. The big bright side name that we're hearing 268 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: about from everybody is that Chris Herndon is finally healthy 269 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: and on the field, and they have high expectations. But yeah, look, 270 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: the a f C East is wide open and everyone's 271 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: raving about Donald and and apparently Levian Bell looks the part. 272 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: But you guys tell me, I don't know who's he 273 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: throwing to. What are the expectations because the Bills and 274 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna be pretty good this year too. Yeah, Peter, 275 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting because you talk about the Jets offense, I'm 276 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: more concerned about their defense. When you talk to people 277 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: in and around the program, what is the defense men like? 278 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: Because losing Jamal Adams leaves a huge void on the 279 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, and not only Jamal Adams. 280 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: Think about who opted out? I think I mean C. J. Mosley. 281 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: They signed to seventeen million dollars a year and in 282 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: his first two seasons is going to end up playing 283 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: one half of football is in New York, Jet and 284 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with what his decision was, but that 285 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: was a major blow to the Jets. He was supposed 286 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: to be healthy and the leader. And now you're like, 287 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: all right, Avery Williamson, we kind of need you to 288 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: step up. And Ashton Davis, a rookie at a cow 289 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I need you to step up at safety, and Bless 290 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: Austin at a Rutgers. These are names that we were 291 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: not expecting to have to play huge roles. So right 292 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: on with you there, Bucky. And again it's a test 293 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: of Greg Williams. If you ask Greg Williams how they're 294 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna do, he'll say they're gonna be just fine. Just 295 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: give me eleven guys, we'll go to work. Um. I 296 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: think talent on the field does matter. In Jamal Adams 297 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: and C. J. Mosley are major blows to that defense. 298 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: I like what I'm hearing too though about Marcus May 299 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: dropping down and playing more that Jamal Adams role, and 300 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: they put Ashton Davis. One thing that we need to 301 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: give Ashton Davis buck is you gotta get him some 302 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: binoculars because that Greg Williams defense, he's gonna be a 303 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: forty yards deep back there, So you get some binoculars, 304 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: so you can actually see what's happening up in front 305 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: of you. Absolutely, because he's the ornament on top of 306 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: the Christmas tree. He's so far out of there, uh, Peter. 307 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that also came out about the Jets, 308 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: obviously in the dust of with Jamal Adams, there was 309 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: some concern about Adam Gates and his coaching style. Um 310 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: has he changed at all in terms of his interaction 311 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: with the players. No. And I think Van Bell was 312 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: the surprise quote of the summer, and he was like, 313 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: coach Gates is great, he's authentic. We get along wonderfully. 314 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if that was just you know, 315 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: playing to the ego of Adam Gaze or maybe trying 316 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: to start on a new leaf for whatever it is, 317 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think the players that are in that building, 318 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. We talked about Earl Thomas and leaving Baltimore. 319 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Like when Jamal Adams was going through all this, a 320 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: lot of the Jets were quiet publicly and all stuff. 321 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams left and like, I didn't see a long 322 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: list of players saying how are we going to play 323 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: without Jamal Adams either, Like I think you take it 324 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: for a grain assault with and you consider the source 325 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: when he's trashing the GM, the coach, the owner on 326 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: the way out, and it's kind of like, all right, 327 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: good luck, we'll rout you on in Seattle. But that's 328 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: not the energy they're looking for. And from a lot 329 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: of those young guys, they really do like Adam Gates, 330 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: even if it is second year, and we'll see what happens. Alright, Pete, 331 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: one of the things you're doing outside of g m FB, 332 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: you're hosting this new podcast on Hard Knocks, and uh, 333 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: it's it's outstanding. I want to get your quick takeaway 334 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: here at the two teams. First of all, people the 335 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: criticism of Hard Knocks and you're just coming from somebody 336 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: who calls the Charger games has been Ah, these teams 337 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: are kind of boring, Like there's no there's no sizzle 338 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: to what's going on in Hard Knocks. Thus thus far, 339 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: what's your take a on the show and be on 340 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: those two teams? All right? The show, I think I 341 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking for as far as dramatics 342 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: on the field, and there's been no football, so what 343 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: they did that first episode? You guys tell me like 344 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any footage, and we work at the 345 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: NFL network and you guys do this and do TV 346 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: like I haven't seen any footage of COVID testing and 347 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: they were up to kids nostrils, like we we got 348 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: all access. Um, I expect this week we're gonna get 349 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: a lot more access with the opening of the stadium, 350 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: with the Sofi Stadium. But this is stuff we're not getting. 351 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a real issue right now with 352 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: NFL media, and I think it's gonna play out more. 353 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: We saw some grumblings out of Green Bay in the 354 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks about you know, their access, but 355 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: because of the coronavirus and Tier one and Tier two, 356 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: the local media really is constricted or restricted from what 357 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: they can get, so we don't get the usual reporting 358 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: we do of day to day. We see a practice, 359 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: we have it, but we're not allowed in the building 360 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: and whatever it is hard, Knox is giving us all 361 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: access all you could ask for. So I would say 362 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: that's been good and has been feeling a void with 363 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that you know, the local 364 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: media is reporting off watching on a monitor somewhere in 365 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: the facility or outside the facility. And as for these 366 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: two teams, I don't know rookie quarterback that doesn't seem 367 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: to have the most verbose personality and not being the 368 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: most vocal, seeing how they usher him in, I find 369 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: that interesting. And then two players Jalen Ramsey and Melvin 370 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: ingram who are two of the biggest personalities in the league, 371 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: currently playing without new contracts as this thing plays out. 372 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting stuff too. So I like the 373 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: two head coaches, I like the star players, but I 374 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: do think with two teams it's harder to really dive 375 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: in with as much detail as we used to get 376 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: with at least one of the squads. And Peter, is 377 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: interesting that you brought up both of the coaches because 378 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: I think this has given us quite the contrast in 379 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: terms of leadership styles and coaching styles based on what 380 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: you know about both guys Sean McVeigh and Anthony Lynn. 381 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: How similar are they? But really how different are they 382 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: in terms of the approaches with their squads? Totally? And Bucky, 383 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: you know, I've had this great honor that both teams 384 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: offered up the coaches to be guests on the podcast. 385 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: So the first week we had Anthony Lynn, the second week, 386 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: we had Sean McVeigh and it's two different conversations. Anthony 387 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Lynn is is as cerebral as it gets. He also 388 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: kind of delegates a bit like, Hey, this is Gus Bradley, 389 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: a former NFL head coach. He's going to run the 390 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: defense on offense. We trust what we have here with 391 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: our offensive coordinator and what we're gonna be building. I 392 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: will assist, of course, but I'll be there, but I'm 393 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: more of the CEO McVeigh. He gets his hands dirty. 394 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: I think one of the true challenges for McVeigh this 395 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: season is going to be letting go because he hired 396 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell as the offensive coordinator, and he hired Brandon Staley, 397 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: who matches his enthusiasm, and we love coach Wade and 398 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: Wade Phillips was fantastic, but here comes thirty five year 399 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: old Brandon Staley with a with a whole new energy, 400 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be mcveigh's opportunity to maybe let go 401 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: of a little bit, let Kevin work with Jared Goff somewhat, 402 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: and let Brennan Staley call his own defense without McVeigh 403 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: hovering and seeing what it is. So I think each 404 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: coach has a challenge, but do go about their head 405 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: coaching job differently. And I think this season is going 406 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: to be fascinating to see how it plays out. Again, 407 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I want encourage everybody to check out the podcast. That's 408 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: The Hard Knocks podcast hosted by by Pete Peter the Patriots. 409 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Everything coming out of there, I guess not a surprise, 410 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: and we've kind of handicapped it. I think everybody is 411 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: handicapped at this is gonna be Cam Newton's job. But 412 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: now it seems like wherever there might have been any 413 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: hint of of a competition, that that's started to disappear 414 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think we have to at least 415 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: appreciate and respect how little time Cam Newton has been there. 416 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: So I think they wanted to ease this in. They 417 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to down him the number one guy right away. 418 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: But I would be shocked come September three if he's 419 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: not the starting quarterback. And Stidham had a minor injury, 420 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: so he's been a night in the hospital. He was 421 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: turned out. P Okay, it's fine. If Stidhen was lighting 422 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: it up every day in practice, I still don't necessarily 423 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: think I would say Stidden was going to be the 424 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: number one quarterback. They went and they got Cam Newton. 425 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: He's Ham Newton. They're going to give it a shot. 426 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: As as long as he's healthy. I'm fairly certain that 427 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: he will be the number one guy. But that doesn't 428 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: mean they don't love what they have in Stidham. I 429 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: got taken down on the mat on our show quite 430 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: a bit on Good Morning Football because for two months 431 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: I was raving about how much I love Stidham and 432 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: then they went out and signed Cam Newton. I make 433 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: the point, hey, time out. They signed Cam Newton after 434 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: thirty other teams passed and they got him for I 435 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: think two million dollars this year. That's just a bun 436 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: Well point. And that's just a pargain you get. It 437 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they don't like Stidham. In this case, 438 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Stidham still will get wraps. He'll still have an opportunity 439 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: and let's see how Cam holds up. Now, Bucky, I 440 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 1: I know you spend time in Carolina. I know you 441 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: know you know cover all those guys. It's not just 442 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: the shoulder, it's not just the foot, it's just this 443 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: total package. And I think a lot of people are 444 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: expecting Cam Newton, and I'm just not sure that's what 445 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna get. Whether it was two months in the building, 446 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: one month in the building, or another year in the building. Yeah, 447 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting matchup. I would say this in 448 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: camp on Cam's behalf. I think this is the best 449 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: coaching that he's going to get in terms of being 450 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: forced to pay attention to the details. Um, what I'm 451 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: interested in, Peter. Everyone has kind of written off the 452 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Pagris like they're not going to be good. They've been 453 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: to the playoffs eleven years in a row. Yet when 454 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: you you hear the outside noise, the expectations that they're 455 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: gonna be five and eleven, when you look at the 456 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: team roster, whatever it is, do you expect him still 457 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: to be in the conversation as one of the teams 458 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: that could be in the Winter Circle in the a 459 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: f C. I know, you guys go on Colin Coward show, 460 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: so do I. One of the one of the theories 461 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: he tossed out there was that they were they were 462 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna compete, but Belichick wouldn't be too upset if they 463 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: ended up losing this season and ended up getting a 464 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: shot at Trevor Lawrence. That's not Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick 465 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: does not want to see four and twelve on his resume. 466 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to see five and eleven. He certainly 467 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: doesn't want to see the Buffalo Bills, or the New 468 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: York Jets, or gosh, the Miami Dolphins winning a division 469 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: title under his watch. So I just don't think it's 470 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: in their nature not to compete and not to put 471 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: it best foot forward. They still have the reigning defensive 472 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: Player of the Year on their team, they may be 473 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: have the best unning backs in the league on their team, 474 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: and they still have Josh McDaniels calling the plays and 475 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick running the entire building. So I would be shocked, 476 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: really shocked if they weren't at least eight and eight, 477 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: nine and seven, And I think there's a good shot 478 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: they still win at the Vision even with all the 479 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: losses to the roster this season. Yeah, it's a little phrase, right, 480 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Winners win, losers lose. I mean sometimes you just that's 481 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: all they know how to do is win up there. 482 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: But by the way, for those that are listening right now, 483 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: you can't see it. Peters wearing a hat that says 484 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: sweat stw e T, which actually is an acronym, stands 485 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: for Steger wants extra tattoos. Tattoos. Yeah, he wants more. 486 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: He twenty one year old kid, his father played baseballs, 487 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: played baseball's entire life. He swings on a three oh 488 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: pitch up about eight runs and then says, oh, wait, 489 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: what what happened? Get out of here with that? I mean, 490 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like, don't don't throw the tator up there 491 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: if you don't want to be don't get the three 492 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: right way tattoos. Play the game that Mike Mike Trout's 493 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: not swinging at that. You should be You should be 494 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: more mad about the act that he stole a third base. 495 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: Would he didn't get the picture to the plate, he 496 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: stole it off the picture. It was incredible. I'm playing 497 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm playing a curmudgeon role role. Of course, I loved it. 498 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it. Phenomenal. All right, let's talk some 499 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: rookies here, shregs. I know you've got your ear to 500 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: the ground here. One guy that that you've been hyping 501 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: up a little bit is somebody we've talked about being 502 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: a perfect fit. And now with Damian Williams opting out, 503 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: it's the perfect opportunity as well. What are you hearing 504 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: at of Kansas City? Yeah, I mean everything I've gotten 505 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: in my phone and from people who are in the 506 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: building and people who have gotten to know the kid 507 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: is that Clyde Edwards Hilaire is the real deal and 508 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: everything more. I I don't talk fantasy football too much 509 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: because I don't know all the mechanisms on the scoring 510 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: and stuff. But someone texting me you know who in 511 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: our world, and it was like, is it crazy if 512 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: I take him first overall in a fantasy draft. I'm like, well, 513 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: as long as Christian McCaffrey's roaming the earth, probably, but 514 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think it's too crazy to go top three. 515 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: That's how much they value this kid. He He's already 516 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: picked up pass protection, which I think is huge for 517 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: a rookie, say he catches out of the backfield, and 518 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: more importantly, the other player seemed to love him, like 519 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Mahomes has been raving about him. Andy Reid has been 520 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: super positive about him. And I know we love to 521 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: get carried away and stuff, but you know that offense, 522 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: it is turnkey. They bring back everyone and it's not 523 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: just on the field. You have Eric b. Enemy back 524 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: as the offensive coordinator, you have my calf go back 525 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: as the quarterbacks coach, you have all the position coaches back, 526 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 1: and you're plugging him in without a real challenger at 527 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: running back as a first round pick. I I think 528 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: he's gonna put a huge numbers and I think that 529 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: team might be lights out right from go. You know, Peter, 530 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: everyone has a pick cat, meaning everyone has a guy 531 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: that they just absolutely love in this process. Of all 532 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: the rooky pass catchers, who is the guy that you 533 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: expect to see the immediate pop when they take the 534 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: field in September. Yeah. The guy that that I think 535 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: might have an immediate pomp and it wasn't a first 536 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: round pick is Van Jefferson, who is going to mcveigh's affense, 537 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: is already a student of the game. And I know 538 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: this because I've seen Cooper Cup do that. Not a 539 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: first round pick, but be plugged into the offense, and 540 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: as long as you're polished and ready to go, you 541 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: can make that impact. Like I think Ceedee Lamb is 542 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: gonna be absolutely amazing. I think he's my top wide receivers. 543 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Be fantastic. But if you're looking for that under the 544 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: radar guy it's probably gonna be Jefferson who's going to 545 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: get looks, is going to be a part of the offense. 546 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: And with Brandon Cooks gone and Josh Reynolds now trying 547 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: to figure out his role next to Woods and Cup, 548 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked. I Van Jefferson played a big 549 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: role in the Rams offense this year. Can I give 550 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: you guys a good idea for something to do on 551 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: g MFB then probably won't probably won't land because it 552 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: probably excused to an older audience, but Bucky and myself 553 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: and Pete you will remember this era. But I think 554 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: the first week of the season, what's gonna happen is 555 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Justin Jefferson's gonna go like eight for 556 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: for one, fifteen Van Jefferson is probably gonna go like 557 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: five for seventy five. You guys have to do a Jefferson's. 558 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: You've gone do a skin. Not many people are going 559 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: to get it, but the people that do get it 560 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: are gonna absolutely love it. Absolutely. We'll just call it 561 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: moving on up and then we go from there. It's perfect. 562 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: I love it, dude, I love it. It's going to 563 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: get the rights to the song, though, I don't know. 564 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna show the cash for that. 565 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Probably not. How many times in your in both of 566 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: your dealings before the draft where people saying that it 567 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: was Justin Jefferson who was the son of Sean Jefferson, 568 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: and you had to and politely correct them that it's 569 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: actually Van Jeffers In any other any other rookies, keep 570 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: an eye on Peter the truth. Yeah, yeah, I think 571 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: cam Akers is going to play a lot for the 572 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: Rams also, And then as far as the quarterbacks go, 573 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I would just preach patients. And you guys know this 574 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: more than anybody. It's such a weird offseason. And if 575 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: you're expecting to Uh or Herbert to get in the 576 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: lineup right away or for Burrow to light it up 577 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: right away, just how much it goes into being a 578 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: first year quarterback in this league. And I just my 579 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: expectations are not that they're low. I just I don't 580 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: think you're going to see the same numbers out of 581 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: our rookie quarterbacks that with what are you What are 582 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: you hearing on bur I mean he's gonna stay, So 583 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: what are you hearing? Good? Like everyone's trying to hype 584 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: this out of control, but like, just just temper your expectations. 585 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: He plays in a really tough division. He's just getting 586 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: to know these wide receivers. He's just met Zach Taylor 587 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: in person a few weeks ago to start working on 588 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: the offense, and he's never played in the NFL before. 589 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: So yes, they are super excited long term for him. 590 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: And I think they want to be competitive this year. 591 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: And we can hype up Joe Mixing and A J. 592 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: Green and Tee Higgins and the rest, but let's just 593 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: let's just show a little bit more patients, maybe a 594 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: little bit more leeway with these rookie quarterbacks and in 595 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: years past. All right, I think this is about it 596 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: for us. Here, Buck, anything else you want to get 597 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: from our guy Peter here before we wrap this thing up, Peter, 598 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: give me a surprise team. Give me a team that 599 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: is gonna surprise everybody coming out the gate. We've got ours, 600 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: were on record with ours. Let me hear your two 601 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: teams first, so I don't overlap. Let me hear you 602 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: it's one and the same as on the Cardinals. We 603 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: pink we pinky sweared airs on a Cardinals gonna be 604 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: in the mix. Both of you, pinky swear on the 605 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I will give you a team that no 606 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: but he's talking about that I think can really make 607 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: can really make some noise this year, and that's Detroit Lions. 608 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. I don't think you crazy, 609 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: You're you and Mina Kimes are all in on Theakimes 610 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: in the Detroit the fighting. Patricia's yes there, you guys 611 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: are all in. Spoke to Stafford, all right, guys dialed in, 612 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: Golladay dialed in, new rookie running back dialed in, and 613 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: Patricia Hockson has been I heard Hockinson's had a great camp. 614 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: By the way, no one knows how to hype up 615 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: t J. Hockinson more than the guy that made him 616 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: the eighth overall pick, Daniel Jeremiah. I hope you got 617 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: off the kun of that one. This is the year, 618 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: this is your year. But in all honesty, I think 619 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: the pieces might be there and it's do or die 620 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: for Patricia and Quinn, I think, and they know it, 621 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: and I think the team is going to rally around it. 622 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: Let's see. I don't know these these predictions. Everyone had 623 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: the Browns going to Super Bowl last year. So we'll see. 624 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: That would be my other team. By the way, Bucky, 625 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: if we had to come up with another team, who 626 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: would it be? Because to me, I actually I actually 627 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: like Cleveland. Man. It's funny because I love the Browns, 628 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: and I think Kevistefanski bringing his scheme, I think it's 629 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: going to work because the play action scheme and people 630 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: don't talk about Kareem hunting up the Kareem Hunt Nick 631 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: Chubb combination is problematic for defensive coordinators and more play action. 632 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: With Odell Beckham Jr, Austin Hooper and Jarvis Landry, their 633 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: offense is loaded loaded, great offensive line too. I mean 634 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: that's the thing you add in Conklin and the other rookie. 635 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all they're on paper right the way 636 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: the way I look at it, Shrigs And I'm not 637 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: somebody that's spent time in clubs. So this is just 638 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,239 Speaker 1: based off movies that I've seen, But it felt like 639 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: last year if the playoffs were a club that you 640 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: had the Cleveland Browns with a very loud outfit trying 641 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: to work their way to the front of the line 642 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: and just thinking they're gonna get ushered right in and 643 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: the bounds, like, get the heck out of here now. 644 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I feel like the Browns have kind of tiptoed around 645 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: the back of the club and are kind of just 646 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna sneak right in the back door of the 647 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: playoffs this year. Love quietly. I love it. The forty 648 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: niners were like that YouTube star that knowing a expected 649 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: to be having five million followers and gets to cut 650 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: to the front of the line and put the free 651 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: bottle service. I know, I guess that's the analogy. That's fantastic. Hey, 652 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun, Peter. But I appreciate 653 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: you joining us today. Man. I love both of you guys. 654 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. It really means a lot. 655 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate again, everybody. Check out g m FB and check 656 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: out Peter's new podcast or the Hard Knocks podcast talking 657 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: all things chargers and ramps. All right, that's gonna do 658 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: it for us today. Thank you guys so much for listening. 659 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time right here on, move the sticks.