Speaker 1: Hey, what's up? Man?
Speaker 2: Hey, hmm, I just got back from work.
Speaker 1: What do you do for work?
Speaker 2: I basically sick. So you know how every school kid
Speaker 2: has a chromebook? I fixed those.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice our kids do. Do you ever see
Speaker 1: like kids like going on porn hub and ship?
Speaker 2: I mean, of course I've never seen it myself because
Speaker 2: I work, sorry, and this is a bit nervous. So
Speaker 2: I work like in the back office where we just
Speaker 2: get like a bunch of bunch of broken ship and
Speaker 2: I'll see on the notes it'll say that the kid
Speaker 2: was on a movie site where the kid was watching porn.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Do they get do you like, like, have
Speaker 1: you ever like seen like like you check the history
Speaker 1: of the chromebook and it's a bunch of porn? Like
Speaker 1: do you ever rat the kid out?
Speaker 2: Oh? Of course, Uh, it's kind of tempting, but I
Speaker 2: don't really because I don't want to know what the
Speaker 2: kid is watching. You know, that's weird.
Speaker 1: That is weird. I agree with that. It's better to
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that you want to just
Speaker 1: remove from your brain entirely and not deal with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A mod is am I saying that? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mod? I mean.
Speaker 1: You said. Here's what you texted me. You said, my
Speaker 1: name is a mod I'm twenty years old. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about how I immigrated to America ten years
Speaker 1: ago from Pakistan. And you also added this, You said,
Speaker 1: I also still sleep with my mom parentheses. You added
Speaker 1: this parentheses. You said parentheses not in a weird way?
Speaker 1: What's up? Tell me?
Speaker 2: More so, do you want to know about the immigration
Speaker 2: part or the mom part?
Speaker 1: Are they related in any way shape or for him?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess a little bit, because you know
Speaker 2: how in Southeasian culture, families are like really close together. Sure,
Speaker 2: yeah so, but that's not really the reason. I guess.
Speaker 2: The reason is basically, my mom has schizophrenia, so she'll
Speaker 2: have like involuntary movements and whatnot. So I do still
Speaker 2: sleep with her on the same bed if you can imagine, Oh, so.
Speaker 1: You sleep with her in the same bed, yeah, like
Speaker 1: help her out with the queen in voluntary movements.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's not like crazy. She's basically a
Speaker 2: normal person. But like sometimes I well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: schizophrenia is really like unpredictable, so sometimes to randomly have
Speaker 2: like moments. But overall she is just a regular person.
Speaker 1: M do you sleep with in the same bed, like,
Speaker 1: like to help her out in cases she needs help?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I mean sometimes he will just like I
Speaker 2: guess randomly started like swinging your hands on whatever hand.
Speaker 2: I don't know, So that's why.
Speaker 1: How often do you need to help her?
Speaker 2: I mean, as I said, it's mostly a normal person.
Speaker 2: To be honest, that'll have to like once a month
Speaker 2: or something, or if something like preggers are specifically, Do.
Speaker 1: You sleep in the bed with her every night?
Speaker 2: Every night? Do?
Speaker 1: I'm curious? What's up with your dad? Is he not
Speaker 1: around to help out?
Speaker 2: Well, my dad sleeps. It's so it's a queen size
Speaker 2: bed and then there's like a regular like a single
Speaker 2: mattress right next to it, so I basically sleep in
Speaker 2: between my mom and dad. Oh my god, it's so
Speaker 2: weird to say that out loud now because I've never ever.
Speaker 1: So wait, let me get this straight. I'm it's a
Speaker 1: queen size bed. So you you there's a mattress by
Speaker 1: the bed and you sleep on that, So you don't
Speaker 1: actually don't sleep in the same bed as your mom.
Speaker 1: You sleep on a mattress. But you said you sleep
Speaker 1: on a mattress by the bed.
Speaker 2: That's that's my dad. So I sleep in between my
Speaker 2: mom and my dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's a okay, so there's a mattress on
Speaker 1: the floor next to the bed where your dad sleeps.
Speaker 1: And then it's not on the floor, where is it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's so we don't even have like a bed bed.
Speaker 2: It's just like a frame. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about, but it's a metal frame.
Speaker 2: So we just put the mattress on that. So we're
Speaker 2: all we're all on the same height.
Speaker 1: So you put so you I'm still I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: this floor planned, right. So you so you have basically
Speaker 1: you push two beds together, is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: You have two you have a queen sized bed and
Speaker 1: another and a queen size mattress. You have there's two beds,
Speaker 1: a mattress on a bed frame is a bed. So
Speaker 1: you have two beds pushed together, and on one bed
Speaker 1: your dad sleeps, and then in the and then in
Speaker 1: the middle you sleep in the middle of your mom
Speaker 1: and your dad.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. So first, first of all, uh, actually I
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about this ahead, why do
Speaker 1: you Why do you sleep in the middle of your
Speaker 1: parents instead of if your dad's there. I understand that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you're doing what you do. I understand that you're
Speaker 1: sleeping with your mom to help her out, which I
Speaker 1: think is very is very noble of you to do.
Speaker 1: But why are you can your dad not help?
Speaker 2: Okay? So my dad he basically works like a very
Speaker 2: early morning job, so he makes up like at four am,
Speaker 2: so and my mom obviously doesn't.
Speaker 1: So that's why, Okay, do you does your mom need
Speaker 1: help so much that you need to sleep in the
Speaker 1: bed with her?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you not able to like be in like room?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 2: Even to be honest, it's it's not even that, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I'm ever since i've been
Speaker 2: a kid, as I said, in South Asian family, we
Speaker 2: do just I always slept with my parents, and then
Speaker 2: when I grew up gradually, I guess I don't know why,
Speaker 2: But I mean I have siblings that have their own rooms,
Speaker 2: but I don't have a room, so I just kind
Speaker 2: of sleep with my mom. That's all.
Speaker 1: Now your siblings do they are they all in they
Speaker 1: have the same room, they each have their own room
Speaker 1: in the same house as you and your and your parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have a three bed apartment. I have
Speaker 2: two older brothers. They're like in their twenties as well,
Speaker 2: but they're like late twenties. I literally just learned twenty
Speaker 2: like a month ago, and I'm still I don't have
Speaker 2: my own room yet. I guess we just have three
Speaker 2: rooms only in this apartment. So my older siblings at
Speaker 2: their own room and I'm sharing the room with my
Speaker 2: mom and my dad.
Speaker 1: Do you leave, Like, okay, let me ask you this. So,
Speaker 1: so it sounds it sounds as though it would be
Speaker 1: okay your mom. You it would be okay if you
Speaker 1: were not sleeping in the same bed as your mom
Speaker 1: in terms of your need to help her. But it's
Speaker 1: just what you.
Speaker 2: Could get done.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not like, I'm not. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to understand situations. But it sounds like it sounds
Speaker 1: like it is not necessary to help your mom to
Speaker 1: sleep in the bed with her, but you do it
Speaker 1: because it's what you've always done.
Speaker 2: I guess. So most like nine of the time, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there are, as I said, some days where her
Speaker 2: schizophrenia will like spike. I guess some like specific things
Speaker 2: trigger her, so then I will have to sleep with her.
Speaker 1: Okay, but mostly you are right, So let's get into this. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: now that I understand the situation, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you personally feel about the situation?
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I honestly don't even think about her
Speaker 2: negatively because it's not, as I said, it's not really
Speaker 2: in a weird way. I like, because I said, my
Speaker 2: mom schizophrenia. So I have a very I guess special
Speaker 2: relationship with her and I love her to death basically,
Speaker 2: So I guess this is one of the ways that
Speaker 2: I can show my appreciation for her, that every night
Speaker 2: I'm there for her, you know, in case something triggers her.
Speaker 1: Okay mmmm, and you're you're twenty right, yeah, okay, No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't say that, but I don't say
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I mean, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: say that with judgment.
Speaker 2: I just don't, but I do. I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: It is kind of weird that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm making no judges about it.
Speaker 1: But I want to understand. Do you do you do
Speaker 1: you go to do you go to school? Do you work?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally before. I'm doing an internship actually at
Speaker 2: the at the local public school where I fixed kids chromeebooks,
Speaker 2: and I go to college full time.
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, you totally. You told me all that,
Speaker 1: and we talked about the port due.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a normal guy outside of this.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not I'm not saying that you're I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you're okay. So clearly, okay, so clearly, clearly, clearly,
Speaker 1: and again I'm not saying anything about I'm not here.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, oh this is weird, this is fucked up, whatever,
Speaker 1: but clearly you you seem to be self conscious that
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, as as I told you, this was
Speaker 2: literally the first time ever this has ever come out
Speaker 2: of my mouth. It's always only been thought, Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have do you have like friends?
Speaker 2: Of course, dude, I have I don't know, I have
Speaker 2: college friends, I have work friends, high school friends that
Speaker 2: I still talk to.
Speaker 1: And you you've you this, You've kind of kept this
Speaker 1: a secret from all of them.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, why are you I don't know, we
Speaker 2: never when we just never I guess it never comes
Speaker 2: up the topic of like where we live and whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's true because I guess my I
Speaker 1: guess my sleeping arrangements also don't really come up in
Speaker 1: conversation that much with my friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. And even I did, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't share that.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Okay, So why tell me why you feel compelled
Speaker 1: or what made you want to come on here and
Speaker 1: talk about it?
Speaker 2: So, I mean recently, so at this college INMNT, they
Speaker 2: offer free counseling, which is pretty amazing, and I've recently
Speaker 2: started it. So in my culture, counseling isn't even really
Speaker 2: like believe in or therapy, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: So I recently started that, just I don't know when,
Speaker 2: because I saw I was threading and it was on campus,
Speaker 2: and after that, I was been thinking about my life,
Speaker 2: like as myself individually, and I realized, just upon reflection,
Speaker 2: how weird this is. And I was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna let this be, you know, unknown to put it
Speaker 2: out there, because it just feels crean to to say
Speaker 2: it out loud. I guess.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting thing. That you're touching goon Like culturally,
Speaker 1: where you come from and what you understand is very
Speaker 1: like communal, family oriented, and it's kind of been that
Speaker 1: way your whole life. And now you're examining your life
Speaker 1: as an individual and you know how you feel about things.
Speaker 1: What you want is that? Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1: So in examining yourself as an individual, what what have
Speaker 1: you observed? What what have you come up with?
Speaker 2: So my life is just really interesting, man, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's it's really weird because I was like kind when
Speaker 2: I immigrated to the US, and now I'm tony, so
Speaker 2: I'm a gorant here, like I guess at a really
Speaker 2: critical point, you know, so I don't even understand. Like
Speaker 2: half my life is kind of, as I said, just cultural,
Speaker 2: and then half is like I don't know that it's complicated.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking to a real therapist about that.
Speaker 1: Tell tell them, well, tell me about immigrating here.
Speaker 2: Uh well, so I was ten, I literally, So that's
Speaker 2: the three part is I was never really taught English,
Speaker 2: like formally in Pakistan, but I used to play like
Speaker 2: counter Strike online and I would I literally just learned
Speaker 2: English from the video game. If that makes any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So when I came here, I was able to talk
Speaker 2: to people man, just by playing using my computer and
Speaker 2: stuff in English.
Speaker 4: And I know I've talked to a lot of people
Speaker 4: who they've they've learned English from playing online video games,
Speaker 4: so you know, all of them know how to tell
Speaker 4: you in perfect English that they fucked your mom.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That that is where it starts.
Speaker 1: I interrupted.
Speaker 2: You keep going, Oh, yeah, So I was in the
Speaker 2: fourth grade when I came here. I think they placed
Speaker 2: me a grade down even though my age was like ten.
Speaker 2: But whatever. So I came here in fourth grade, went
Speaker 2: through all the high school, middle school, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: It was weird. I didn't really have There's not really
Speaker 2: a lot of other Pakistani people where I live, so
Speaker 2: it was kind of weird. You know. I just felt
Speaker 2: like I was trying to sit in and whatever. But
Speaker 2: now that I'm in college, there are other Pakistani people
Speaker 2: that I am relating with and just blending in with
Speaker 2: the regular American people as well. So it's been a journey.
Speaker 2: But overall, I will say I'm so grateful for event because,
Speaker 2: as everybody knows, Pakistan is not really you know, the
Speaker 2: best place to.
Speaker 1: Live are you friends now with a lot of other
Speaker 1: people from Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I mean in America. Yeah. It's funny because
Speaker 2: sometimes because when I was in fourth grade in Pakistan,
Speaker 2: I had like a Facebook and ship. So I'll like
Speaker 2: look at my Facebook and see what my old fourth
Speaker 2: grade taxisan your friends are doing now?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Okay, So how does how does life in America
Speaker 1: for you and and like for your American friends compare
Speaker 1: to what you see on Facebook from your Pakistani friends?
Speaker 2: Oh dude, So the one big big thing is in Pakistan, dude.
Speaker 2: So you know, in Muslim countries, like women and men
Speaker 2: are like kind of separated. So in Pakistan, dude, you
Speaker 2: can hug a guy, you go, children shoulder down the
Speaker 2: street with them. In America, I've noticed that, like guys
Speaker 2: aren't like that clothes. But I know that's one thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, so so because so I so in Pakistan,
Speaker 1: are you not, like, you know, are you allowed to
Speaker 1: like hold hands with your you.
Speaker 2: Will straight up, yeah they do. It's not that you're
Speaker 2: allowed if they do. Wait, is it sounds weird? Because
Speaker 2: oh they are allowed. You know, kids hold hands, Guys
Speaker 2: hold hands while they walk down the street, Guys have
Speaker 2: hands around each other's neck while they walk down the street.
Speaker 2: That's like culture. It's weird because Muslim countries they like
Speaker 2: hate gay stuff and whatever, you know, but it's I
Speaker 2: don't I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Huh wait, So so what I'm hearing is that is
Speaker 1: that the Muslim countries hate gay stuff, but they love
Speaker 1: a good romance.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That is exactly. That's that's one thing good I
Speaker 2: really noticed the lack of in America. It's hard to get,
Speaker 2: you know, like like FROs.
Speaker 1: Very very interesting to hear that. So people in in
Speaker 1: in Pakistan are a lot more touchy feely and and
Speaker 1: and openly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when I was in fourth grade, dude, I
Speaker 2: would have my friend group, you know, we would be
Speaker 2: all touchy touchy Okay, I don't want to say an
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. Hmmm. So so wait, so you're allowed.
Speaker 1: So it's cool to walk down the street in Pakistan
Speaker 1: holding hands with another man as long as you guys
Speaker 1: aren't fucking.
Speaker 2: If you would have if you would have as an American,
Speaker 2: of course that's gonna sound weird, but I'm telling you
Speaker 2: that is okay.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, do you think that, like, well,
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on on on this a little
Speaker 1: bit when we were talking about, like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: the reasoning why you you're sleeping in your mom's bed
Speaker 1: of like the culturally. Culturally there's a stronger emphasis on
Speaker 1: on community and family and togetherness maybe than there is
Speaker 1: here in the United States, and so that's why there's
Speaker 1: less of there's less romance here.
Speaker 2: Do exactly hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Okay, anything else that you've you've noticed from
Speaker 1: observing your your your buddies on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Specifically my buddy's on Facebook, I've noticed that, uh, let's see,
Speaker 2: I mean it is I mean they're all graduated and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I've noticed that like in tagastand getting a job
Speaker 2: and stuff, it's it's like impossible unless you have connections
Speaker 2: and stuff. I've noticed that even though they're all graduated now,
Speaker 2: like they're the same age as me. Of course, so
Speaker 2: they've graduated high school and they're intelleges and stuff. So
Speaker 2: now while I'm in America and I can find internships
Speaker 2: and whatnot, dude, in Pakistan it's a it's a hellhole. Dude.
Speaker 2: It's kind of impossible to make it just through hard work. There,
Speaker 2: and I mean, I love my country or death then,
Speaker 2: but it's it's not fair.
Speaker 1: Mhm. So you really so it is true that there's
Speaker 1: like greater opportunity for you in America than in Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd one hundred percent, like even though of course
Speaker 2: America has its own trouble is like, but I've noticed
Speaker 2: that it is still better than Pakistan, you know, exponentially.
Speaker 5: M hm.
Speaker 1: So your homies that are all like your age, now,
Speaker 1: what are they doing?
Speaker 2: Dude? They're sick, yes, trying to be a photographer. You know,
Speaker 2: they're in that phase. You know how people have that
Speaker 2: phase where they want to be a rapper or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Pakistan is really common to have as a phase where
Speaker 2: they want to be a photographer. Dude, go where Sun's glasses,
Speaker 2: to go out in the streets. You know?
Speaker 1: Is that a specific? Is this is that specific to Pakistan?
Speaker 2: Well? I don't. I don't think specific a Taksana specific
Speaker 2: bit of friends that I knew, I guess m hm hmm.
Speaker 1: What's your version of that? What do you uh want
Speaker 1: to be when you grow up?
Speaker 2: I I'll be honest, I don't even have like a
Speaker 2: big you know how people always say they want to
Speaker 2: be a millionaire or whatever. To be honest, I just
Speaker 2: want to live a regular life, dude. Like sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: think about it, and my ideal life is kind of
Speaker 2: graduating from college or working in it and like a
Speaker 2: local public school or something where it's like a government
Speaker 2: job so there's not really like pressure and just getting
Speaker 2: a house and why some kids, Dude, that's it, That's
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 1: So going back to your discovery of your individual or
Speaker 1: or exploration of your individuality, do you do you desire
Speaker 1: to leave your mom's bed?
Speaker 2: It's this good situation I would say, no, dude, Like
Speaker 2: I love my mom and it's just and I just
Speaker 2: want to, like because because of her condition on whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't even know like what the average life and
Speaker 2: is for somebody of that kind. I just want to
Speaker 2: show her all the love I can and just that
Speaker 2: is one form of my love. Because of our schizophrenia,
Speaker 2: I can't really you know, show her my love. I
Speaker 2: guess through my work and whatever.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. What about your What about your dad?
Speaker 1: Does he snore?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually a pretty deep sleeper, I guess I
Speaker 2: don't do. My mom snores like crazy. I don't know,
Speaker 2: about my dad. I don't think he does because I'm
Speaker 2: crazy deep sleep where like I don't really notice, not
Speaker 2: too much, but I do know when I sometimes my
Speaker 2: mom is taking a nap. She's a crazy snor.
Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with your dad?
Speaker 2: Well, he's kind of like a regular Middle Eastern dad.
Speaker 2: You know, straight a's at school. You know he expects that,
Speaker 2: and you know, just the typical as in that he always,
Speaker 2: you know, goes home to work, as I said, super early,
Speaker 2: comes home late, only has like a couple of hours
Speaker 2: at home, and in that hour, you know, we're just
Speaker 2: talking about school. It's shit, it's not really deep, to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Are you out there trying to to date? It
Speaker 1: sounds like family is important to you. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you want a wife and kids one day. You dating.
Speaker 2: I mean, as that's something I've recently started thinking about,
Speaker 2: I guess, after thinking about myself as an individual. But
Speaker 2: in Pakistan, it's not, that's not an aspect of a culture.
Speaker 2: It's arranged marriage. Like you're not even allowed to date
Speaker 2: in Pakistani culture. You just I guess when you're like
Speaker 2: twenty five or something, you get arranged marriage and that's it.
Speaker 1: Well, now you're now now you're in the land of
Speaker 1: the free baby. Time to make a Tinder account. They're
Speaker 1: actually I actually, genuinely, genuinely I I and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I only know one side of this, but sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: be I I guarantee that if you started in your
Speaker 1: account after about a day, you'll be like, I should
Speaker 1: have went with the arranged marriage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the debating scene. I mean, I've just been looking
Speaker 2: at stuff on the internet, and yeah, it sounds pretty bad,
Speaker 2: really hard to get in the dating.
Speaker 1: Scene, is so, I mean, is the plan for there
Speaker 1: to like, is your plan for there to be some
Speaker 1: kind of arranged marriage.
Speaker 2: Or well, I mean for me? Okay, so my brothers
Speaker 2: they are in like the marriage kind of age right now,
Speaker 2: and my parents, I mean, my mom is kind of
Speaker 2: but my dad is trying to get them to an
Speaker 2: arrange marriage. For me though I haven't decided yet and
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I'll see after talking to
Speaker 2: my therapist and you know, kind of using my American
Speaker 2: and Pakistani tels, we'll see what I feel like.
Speaker 1: How does can you explain a little bit of how
Speaker 1: the arranged marriage process works?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: So, okay, So in Pakistan, dude, I'll be honest, Like
Speaker 2: cousin marriages and stuff, they're still pretty common. Now. My
Speaker 2: family is pretty liberal Pakistani, I guess you can say,
Speaker 2: so they're not really into that. So basically every family
Speaker 2: has that one auntie that you go to who has
Speaker 2: like all the connections with all the all the people,
Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, I'm trying to get my daughter made.
Speaker 2: If you know, somebody let me know. Hey, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get my sun made. So everybody goes to that
Speaker 2: one person and they're like arranged marriage, I don't know,
Speaker 2: hero whatever you want to say, and they kind of
Speaker 2: hook you up.
Speaker 1: What's your personal view on arranged marriage? Because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. And again this is a total
Speaker 1: outsider opinion, but like after you know, you know, after
Speaker 1: paying for for tender premium, you know, you're you're kind
Speaker 1: of like part of you does think like you knows
Speaker 1: as like you know, with all the with all the
Speaker 1: infinite cons that could come with with arranged marriage, there
Speaker 1: is the big pro of like, well, that's a giant
Speaker 1: quest in life that I don't have to think about anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a giant challenge to navigate your romantic
Speaker 1: sexual life, and so maybe there is something appealing about
Speaker 1: having someone just fucking up and decide it for you.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear your your kind of personal
Speaker 1: opinion on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as I sayd dude, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: the same way as you. Like if I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of living my life like with me and that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not really looking out for anything. But if it's
Speaker 2: like during college, if something comes up and you know,
Speaker 2: the relationship, the dating scene gets serious, you know, I
Speaker 2: might hop into it. But if not, you know, I
Speaker 2: always have that backup, you know, the peaceful mind, you
Speaker 2: know the arrange folks. I mean, then I will do
Speaker 2: have the arrange marriage options.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you're one just really bad
Speaker 1: day away from being like fuck it, Like that's always
Speaker 1: in your bad public, it's always in your back pocket,
Speaker 1: Like you'll give it, You'll give day to try, and
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, you'll go to your auntie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, well the reason. But as I said, I'm
Speaker 2: not really going out for dating. It's like I'm just
Speaker 2: me and if somebody comes up in my life where
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this could get a romantic because then
Speaker 2: I'll go into it. It's not like I'm speaking in
Speaker 2: my current state.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, sure sure? Did you ever have you, like
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend in high school or or or a crush.
Speaker 5: Or That's one of the like things, uh that I've
Speaker 5: always thought about and thinking like should I have?
Speaker 2: But I've never. I've never. The only thing is that,
Speaker 2: in like middle school, a girl asked me out and
Speaker 2: I just kind of rejected her kindly. I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: you're cute, but I just don't want to date. And
Speaker 2: that was pretty much it. In high school that they
Speaker 2: really came up.
Speaker 1: M hmm. What about what about career wise? What do
Speaker 1: you what do you hope for?
Speaker 2: So? I mean I started off like looking and working
Speaker 2: at the local grocery store or whatever during high school
Speaker 2: and now I'm in college, so I got an internship
Speaker 2: and I see, as you said, I mean, as I
Speaker 2: said before h and after graduating, dude, as I said,
Speaker 2: I just want to kind of get a government job
Speaker 2: or something of that sort where I can just like
Speaker 2: do a tenure there for like twenty thirty years.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever go back to Pakistan? Like
Speaker 1: I assume not to live But you know, just to say,
Speaker 1: of course, I've.
Speaker 2: Been there a couple of times. I was just there
Speaker 2: like two years ago. Dude, my family is still It's
Speaker 2: not like uh so my family like just my immediate family,
Speaker 2: my brother's and mom. We moved here as a whole,
Speaker 2: but like my arrest of the family is still in Pakistan.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: We go there like every couple of years.
Speaker 1: Would you reckon? I? You know, I I have this
Speaker 1: dream of like doing my little gecko interviews. I do,
Speaker 1: you know, in addition to the phone call stuff I
Speaker 1: do like on the street interviews and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I watch all your stuff.
Speaker 1: Come on, Oh hell yeah, Okay, So how would you like,
Speaker 1: do you think I should go to Pakistan to do it?
Speaker 1: How how do you think that would go over?
Speaker 2: I do I think you should? If you go, though,
Speaker 2: I would recommend uh. I mean, Pakistan is a pretty
Speaker 2: good English speaking country, but I would recommend you go
Speaker 2: to like the college campus or something there. You'll find
Speaker 2: like a bunch of you know, young people from because
Speaker 2: Pakistan is weird, dude, Like some parts are super conservative
Speaker 2: and they're still into like cousin marriages and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And in some parts of like we're liberated. So I'll
Speaker 2: go to a college campus. You'll be safe, dude, and
Speaker 2: you'll have a bunch of you know, like a wide
Speaker 2: spectrum of people with you, and they'll all speak English,
Speaker 2: probably because they're going to college campus.
Speaker 1: What's the other what's the other major language spoken there?
Speaker 2: It's Urzu. So it's basically like Pakistan and India were one,
Speaker 2: like like one hundred years ago or whatever, and now
Speaker 2: so order is basically the same language as Hindy. But
Speaker 2: in fact, Senate's uzum.
Speaker 1: Okay, if I ever go there, all right, if I
Speaker 1: ever go there, I might hit you up. I actually
Speaker 1: got a DM, I was. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people in Pakistan listen to
Speaker 1: this show, but I got a DM once from somebody saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I live in Pakistan, let me know if you ever
Speaker 1: want to come and I'll show you around. And I was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a position to just to just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like in the middle of touring
Speaker 1: or whatever, so I wasn't in a position to just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: say fucking and go. But I'm getting into a point
Speaker 1: where I can kind of do stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: so I might I might say fucking and go.
Speaker 2: Who knows, dude, you gotta go. It's like, screw all
Speaker 2: the gecko and whatever. Do it's just an amazing visit.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, of course all.
Speaker 2: The food is bombed. It's a spicy though, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, you might see it being a gecko in Pakistan video.
Speaker 1: I like to do. I'll do, like if I take
Speaker 1: a trip like that, I'll do I'll do half lyle
Speaker 1: half gecko time. But enough about me and my stupid life.
Speaker 1: I want to know this before we go. What is
Speaker 1: your like? So you you have these two older brothers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do they think and feel similarly to you? On? On on,
Speaker 1: you know the stuff that we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, bro, Like they're kind of busy, like
Speaker 2: in their own life. They have their own full time job.
Speaker 2: I don't really have like deep conversations with any of
Speaker 2: my immediate family, like, I'll be honest, m So, I'm
Speaker 2: not even They just have full time jobs. They come
Speaker 2: home and sleep.
Speaker 1: Do you do you wish that you did have deeper
Speaker 1: conversations with them?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, I'll be I don't know,
Speaker 2: mm hmm. It is it is just kind of weird
Speaker 2: because like, uh like when cleaning, like we're all in
Speaker 2: one house and everybody's a grown adult, and because everybody's
Speaker 2: been like babied into being a grown adults, like they
Speaker 2: don't even like clean up after their own message and whatever,
Speaker 2: So it's just a wild wild word.
Speaker 1: Who's cleaning up around the house.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's me because my mom has as he can't,
Speaker 2: my dad has a full time job, my brothers have
Speaker 2: a full time job.
Speaker 1: And you know, so you're but don't you but you
Speaker 1: have a fucking full time job.
Speaker 2: Now I have a part time job, and I'm a student.
Speaker 2: And being a student in this culture, is this the
Speaker 2: look that as doing nothing? So you I'm the youngest
Speaker 2: in the house, so I'm just kind of automatically expected
Speaker 2: to brush.
Speaker 1: So you're twenty, you're you're working a part time job,
Speaker 1: you're a student, you're sort of you're taking care of
Speaker 1: your mom, and you're cleaning up after everyone in the house. Basically,
Speaker 1: goddamn man.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, as I said, though, it's miles better than
Speaker 2: anything I would have lived in Pakistan.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: Deep respect, deep respect. What I mean, what is like
Speaker 1: if you didn't have all these crazy responsibilities, Like what
Speaker 1: would you like if you were to take some time
Speaker 1: for yourself, what would it even look like? What would
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: Dude? I don't even have like that any I guess
Speaker 2: hobbies or shit like I just play video games on
Speaker 2: my PC. And as I said of my gold in
Speaker 2: life is too just kind of h be steady, like
Speaker 2: I don't even want to do anything like I just
Speaker 2: want to, you know, get a nine to five job
Speaker 2: when I come home from work, play video games and
Speaker 2: then go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Are you happy with life right now?
Speaker 2: Right now, dude, I'm super happy. It's just such a
Speaker 2: privilege to to go to college and to have an internship.
Speaker 2: Just oh man, it's amazing. It's a privilege to drive
Speaker 2: a car, dude. Like in Pakistan cars don't even nobody
Speaker 2: can afford one.
Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good perspective you're walking around with. Man,
Speaker 1: it really is. Well you know what, man, Look, I
Speaker 1: know I know you feel like I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: this a mint before we go. I know you feel
Speaker 1: some sense of I don't know if it's embarrassment or
Speaker 1: whatever about uh sleeping in your mom's bed. But but
Speaker 1: but look, but look that aside, you're taking care of
Speaker 1: four fucking people. Uh, and you're the youngest of them.
Speaker 1: You're you're working your ass off, cleaning porn, off of
Speaker 1: all these MacBooks, crumb books, whatever, you're you're studying. You're
Speaker 1: I mean, you're doing so much man, so like and
Speaker 1: you're happy and you're you're you're doing it all. You're
Speaker 1: doing it all also not you know, walking around every
Speaker 1: day being like, oh my love sucks is so looking horror,
Speaker 1: I have to do all this stuff. You're like grateful
Speaker 1: to do it all. I mean, you're you're a walking
Speaker 1: w man. So I hope you don't feel too I
Speaker 1: don't know if ashamed is the word, but whatever, I
Speaker 1: hope you. I hope you feel good about yourself and
Speaker 1: good about life because you're really doing it in a
Speaker 1: in a in an honest and noble way. And I
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for that. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming on here and and uh sharing this stuff
Speaker 1: because I know it was uh, you know, hard to
Speaker 1: do and that you haven't done it with anyone before.
Speaker 1: So you know, thanks man, And it was it was
Speaker 1: really good talking to you.
Speaker 2: It was really good talking to you too. And just dude,
Speaker 2: I love your stuff. I watch you every day on
Speaker 2: my car ride to college. I mean, not watched, but listen.
Speaker 2: So it's been a pleasure of being on here man.
Speaker 1: So anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we.
Speaker 2: Go, Uh, just the supportive of everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't know, beautiful, take care.
Speaker 2: Maud all right, thank you, get bye.
Speaker 1: Damn. I love talking to that guy. That was cool.
Speaker 1: Very interesting perspective, man, very interesting perspective. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I have anything to say in these post call
Speaker 1: thoughts that I didn't already say, but uh, it's very
Speaker 1: cool to me that he's he's juggling all these things
Speaker 1: in his life with like no resentment at all. Right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that is the crazy part to me, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I I hate doing anything. I complain all
Speaker 1: the time about having to do anything, and and specifically
Speaker 1: this like the other I had. I drove an hour
Speaker 1: somewhere the other day and I was like so pissed
Speaker 1: off and like I was stuck in traffic and I
Speaker 1: was upset. I was like, I hate driving, I hate
Speaker 1: having the drive. Driving sucks. I fucking hate this car.
Speaker 1: I just was like pissed off and stewing, and then
Speaker 1: I'm talking to this guy who's like, you know, the
Speaker 1: total opposite, like oh my like in bliss, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's such a privilege to be able to drive,
Speaker 1: you know, and like that that that is is an
Speaker 1: interesting perspective. I liked that guy's perspective on everything, and
Speaker 1: you know, even though he was again I don't know
Speaker 1: if ashamed is the word. I don't want to put
Speaker 1: emotions in this guy's mouth, but he felt he felt
Speaker 1: the type of way about talking to people about the
Speaker 1: fact that he sleeps in his mom's bed. But on
Speaker 1: the same coin, when I asked him about it, his
Speaker 1: personal feelings about it, uh were that it's not weird
Speaker 1: that he actually wanted to do it because he doesn't
Speaker 1: know how much time he'll have left with his mom.
Speaker 1: None of us know how much time we'll have left
Speaker 1: with the people that we care about in our lives,
Speaker 1: and so it was something that he was happy about
Speaker 1: and he felt good about, even if you know, other
Speaker 1: people might look at it a different way. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought that guy was awesome. I loved
Speaker 1: talking to him, and I'm gonna try to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to go to Pakistan and talk to people,
Speaker 1: if you while I'm here while people are listening. If
Speaker 1: you live because this is something I want to do
Speaker 1: a lot more of in the future. If you live
Speaker 1: in like an interesting place. I've gotten dms from a
Speaker 1: guy who actually a guy on the podcast who lived
Speaker 1: in Kuwait. If you live in you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to go to Vietnam. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to go to Thailand. If you live in Alaska. If
Speaker 1: you live in like a place that's not the United
Speaker 1: States or Europe or Australia or Canada, because I've kind
Speaker 1: of covered those places, you know, South America or or
Speaker 1: or Africa or anywhere in Asia, and you I think
Speaker 1: it would be a cool place to go interview people.
Speaker 1: Let me know, send me a DM. I'm on the
Speaker 1: hunt for more cool experiences like that, So hit me
Speaker 1: up on Instagram at Lyle the number four ever and
Speaker 1: I'll try to check those dms. But thank you, Ahmad,
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and gek bless you. This guy better pick
Speaker 1: up If we're gonna have a serious problem, He's not
Speaker 1: gonna pick up.
Speaker 3: What's up, Lyle?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 2: That's good?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. What's your name?
Speaker 3: My name is James.
Speaker 1: James. It says here that you're a neuroscientist that studies cannabis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do have to preference this with I
Speaker 3: work in research, so there's some stuff I cannot talk about. However, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty interesting stuff. A lot of.
Speaker 1: People it's I mean, from the tone of your voice,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you do a lot of first hand research.
Speaker 3: I am actually completely sober right now.
Speaker 1: That was a really I said that in a very
Speaker 1: I said that like fucking Bill Maher or something. I
Speaker 1: feel embarrassed about.
Speaker 3: Me. But I know you've been I know you've been
Speaker 3: smoking recently on your streams that you smoke tonight. I'm
Speaker 3: not watching.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't and I didn't smoke tonight, And I
Speaker 1: don't know where you are hold on. Where did you
Speaker 1: get any of this information that you're saying right now?
Speaker 3: Oh, you've been smoking on streams? You started talking about it.
Speaker 3: I just listened to the podcast, like religiously.
Speaker 1: When wait, when did I talk about When did I
Speaker 1: talk about smoking on the stream?
Speaker 3: Oh there was someone that you were you said something
Speaker 3: about you were getting a little too therapisty and you
Speaker 3: are also kind of high. I forget who it was.
Speaker 3: It was one of your recent streams.
Speaker 1: I did say that I did that and I was
Speaker 1: kind of high, and you're right, and I'm being defensive
Speaker 1: right now and I'm not high right now. Here's my
Speaker 1: thing is. I'll tell you this for I've been doing
Speaker 1: this stream since June of twenty twenty. That's like over,
Speaker 1: it's over three years, pretty crazy for like, And in
Speaker 1: those three years, I maybe the first three years, I
Speaker 1: maybe had been high on a live stream one or
Speaker 1: two times, and I fucking hated it. It was really bad.
Speaker 1: I felt perceived. I felt like I couldn't just like
Speaker 1: cause just talk to rant and talk and not be
Speaker 1: thinking so much about the words that are coming out
Speaker 1: of your mouth and how they're being perceived and whatnot.
Speaker 1: You can't be high because being high makes you paranoid,
Speaker 1: or at least for me, it does. And so I
Speaker 1: never did it. And then there was a time, I
Speaker 1: want to say, a month or two ago, where I
Speaker 1: just for I don't know, for whatever reason. I think
Speaker 1: maybe I was really stressed leading up to a stream,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let me give this a try.
Speaker 1: It'll maybe it'll mellow me out. And I had a
Speaker 1: nice stream and so but I also thought to myself,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I do not want to make this a habit,
Speaker 1: you know, because that that can only I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a good habit to have. So now, you know,
Speaker 1: like like this is what I sort of have been
Speaker 1: doing a little bit. Is like I'll stream for my
Speaker 1: normal two hours and then maybe I'll take a little
Speaker 1: rip of a pen and the whatever comes after that
Speaker 1: as a total bonus. So like, you know, let me
Speaker 1: get in a couple sover and that's like maybe once
Speaker 1: a week. You know, I streamed two to three times
Speaker 1: a week, and maybe for one of those streams, after
Speaker 1: having done two hours, I'll take a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think I'm high all the
Speaker 1: time on my stream. You know. That's why I didn't.
Speaker 1: That's why I made. I made. I made the mistake
Speaker 1: of bringing Actually I'm not gonna say it was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I don't take it back. I said that I was
Speaker 1: high to that guy, but I didn't want I didn't,
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I was I was gonna not say anything
Speaker 1: because I didn't want people to think I was high
Speaker 1: all the time. But I also don't like to lie,
Speaker 1: you know, so I would just be honest. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with being high a lot. But
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to talk to you, is because
Speaker 1: that's wrong. There's probably a lot that's wrong with being
Speaker 1: high all the time, and you would know the answer
Speaker 1: to those questions. So please, is it? Am I gonna
Speaker 1: How long do I have to live? That's what I'm
Speaker 1: That's what I'm really asking.
Speaker 3: I mean, I listened to your podcast religiously. You could
Speaker 3: die in the next five seconds. I mean, we don't
Speaker 3: fucking know. Like, no, I'm high right now.
Speaker 1: I just hit my Okay, you fucking I asked you
Speaker 1: if you were high right now, and you said you
Speaker 1: were sober. You're lying.
Speaker 3: While you were on that rant about how you don't
Speaker 3: get high. I got my tin out of my room
Speaker 3: and just smoked.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, so so neuroscience research. So I
Speaker 3: actually was at the Silence Show and I wanted to
Speaker 3: get on on stage to talk and it, uh, it
Speaker 3: might not be exactly about this, but yeah, so like
Speaker 3: doing research with cannabis. I actually started it out at
Speaker 3: my college in North Carolina, and we worked with HIV.
Speaker 3: And you don't normally put HIV in cannabis together, right,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't at first with you what
Speaker 3: like HIV and cannabis, like using cannabis to help HIV patients.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought you were talking about injecting HIV
Speaker 1: into cannabis.
Speaker 3: Not exactly. However, we did kind of inject mice with HIV.
Speaker 3: That ship was kind of fucked up, But you've got
Speaker 3: the high basically, right, Yeah, extremely hot. That's what I
Speaker 3: do at work every day, and that's what I actually
Speaker 3: can't talk about.
Speaker 2: Come under Ina and ship.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I basically just inject mice with wheat.
Speaker 3: That's my daily job. I listened to your podcast a
Speaker 3: lot doing that. So you have been listened to while
Speaker 3: injecting mice with h with not HIV with THHC. So
Speaker 3: I hope that makes you feel great.
Speaker 1: Do you do you inject them with HIV or does
Speaker 1: somebody else do that? And then you come in and
Speaker 1: you're like good uncle, You're like the cool and the
Speaker 1: other person.
Speaker 3: Is complicated, complicated like topic, but it's actually through the
Speaker 3: food that they ingest. It changes gene like codes and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I'm the good uncle. I'm not the dick.
Speaker 3: I take care of like get them highest ship and
Speaker 3: make sure that they are so you feed.
Speaker 1: Them like an AIDS hamburger and they get HIV.
Speaker 3: Literally, Yeah, it's basically like a pizza pizza AIDS like
Speaker 3: hamburger mash up type thing.
Speaker 1: That's fucked up.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Yeah it is, But we don't actually do
Speaker 3: that ourselves in the lab. We get that like from
Speaker 3: from the actual place where like the mice come from.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's not anything that really matters I work with.
Speaker 1: Interesting, let me, I have a couple more questions about it.
Speaker 1: So if I ate this AIDS burger that you give
Speaker 1: to these mice, would I get HIV?
Speaker 3: Though? No, because of the genetic code however, and this
Speaker 3: is actually one of the fucked up things my mentor
Speaker 3: asked me. But instead of doing that, you actually just
Speaker 3: come infertile. But it doesn't change your gene code to
Speaker 3: the point where you get HIV, but you if you
Speaker 3: eat it, you just come become sterile. Like yeah, so
Speaker 3: not the best. Yeah, I mean, I actually don't know
Speaker 3: that science. I'm not gonna act like I do. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be I'm gonna be like you and actually admit
Speaker 3: that I don't know something.
Speaker 1: Isn't it kind of crazy that there's a whole like
Speaker 1: we're such apex predators that we've decided it's totally cool
Speaker 1: to just round up another animal and give it HIV.
Speaker 3: Dude, it is so fucked I mean yeah, and for
Speaker 3: for research purposes too, and then you just like give
Speaker 3: it something that's illegal and like the majority of the
Speaker 3: states and then arrest people for that too. But let's
Speaker 3: neither here there. It's just fucked up. We're we're super
Speaker 3: super weird if you actually think about it. But I
Speaker 3: don't like to think about it because then I start
Speaker 3: thinking about like everything else. I'm also higher shit now,
Speaker 3: so you are always gonna like overthink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wanted to talk about this because yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I'm a I'm a daily pot smoker. Not
Speaker 1: every time I'm on the podcast. Now, people are gonna
Speaker 1: think I'm high all the time. I'm not high all
Speaker 1: the time. I mean I'm not higher.
Speaker 3: I mean I know I'm not high all.
Speaker 1: The time when I am recording this podcast.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: I've recorded two hundred and fifty something episodes of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I've maybe been high for one of them.
Speaker 3: All right, I've listened to every single one of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's crazy, that's graaz okay anyway, But I
Speaker 1: get high every day and I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: think about it anymore. So like I don't think about
Speaker 1: is this bad for me? Am I gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm forty, Am I gonna not know my dad's
Speaker 1: name anymore? Like? What what is it? Actually? What is
Speaker 1: it doing? Am I fucked?
Speaker 3: No, You're not fucked at all. I mean I'm a
Speaker 3: daily I'm a daily user as well. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 3: daily user. No, you're not gonna be fucked or anything.
Speaker 3: And I actually don't do human science, and the science
Speaker 3: that everybody does can't actually translate to humans. So I
Speaker 3: don't have a true answer for you, even though I
Speaker 3: do study it, but just from what I have seen,
Speaker 3: because I also looked at it, because I mean, I
Speaker 3: smoke a lot, and it's there's nothing that's gonna negatively
Speaker 3: impact you unless you are getting to the point where
Speaker 3: you have chs where you're like throwing up when you smoke,
Speaker 3: and you if you don't have if you if you're
Speaker 3: not doing that, you don't have it. Some people have
Speaker 3: mentioned it throughout the podcast, but so CHS is really
Speaker 3: what will stop? Make you stop? And then if you
Speaker 3: ever have any start, like type of psychosis or anything,
Speaker 3: obviously stop. But like it's basically just like cracking your joints.
Speaker 3: Like if you crack your joints and it starts to hurt, stop,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get arthritis. But it's not actually gonna cause
Speaker 3: it so in reference, and I can't really tell you
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be fine or not because I don't
Speaker 3: fucking know that. I don't know you. I just listened
Speaker 3: to you on a phone, right, But like for the
Speaker 3: majority of people, and I'll put you in that category,
Speaker 3: you'll be perfectly fine. It's legal for a reason, it
Speaker 3: shouldn't be illegal in some states. And so that type
Speaker 3: of thing makes people feel like you won't know your
Speaker 3: fucking dad's name when you're fifty years old, but like
Speaker 3: you're gonna be completely fine. There's people have been doing
Speaker 3: it for way longer than you have, And I mean,
Speaker 3: you got to think about it. We're the most like
Speaker 3: sober generation that's ever been around. We could literally smoke
Speaker 3: an opium matter of like fucking pipes. Like we're perfectly
Speaker 3: fine hitting a little pin like every day. It's not
Speaker 3: that big of a deal. But like anyway, you'll be fine.
Speaker 3: It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm gonna record every single podcast from
Speaker 1: this episode moving forward completely stoned because you said that.
Speaker 3: Just now, I hope. So, yeah, that's great. I mean,
Speaker 3: your your content's pretty good.
Speaker 1: When you're fucking I'm not actually gonna do that. I'm
Speaker 1: just joking that at all.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: Well don't. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I don't believe you entirely because
Speaker 1: I don't. There's I'm I have this little vape pen
Speaker 1: that's Cremberlay flavored, and you're not. You can't just inhale
Speaker 1: crembrewlay artificial flavoring into your lungs and get away scott free.
Speaker 1: There's no way. There's no consequences.
Speaker 3: To now now Lyle, now Lyle, you're just asking about THHC.
Speaker 3: I studied THHC. I study the actual effect of the cannabis.
Speaker 3: I don't study what is in your fucking Cranberlay eight pen.
Speaker 3: And I don't and honestly, I don't know. That's why
Speaker 3: I stay away from certain things. I see it in
Speaker 3: the lab and I know that it can be fucked up.
Speaker 3: But the actual thing that I was more so saying
Speaker 3: as the THHC. Of course you're probably building you're taking
Speaker 3: that shit in your lungs because it's adding to your
Speaker 3: mucus layer. You're gonna inhale it. That could be bad
Speaker 3: for you. But in terms of the THHG, where I
Speaker 3: actually specialize, there's no problems there. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: started smoking five bnths a day, obviously you're gonna start
Speaker 3: coughing more often because you're inhaling stuff for the pen,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have more of that. But to like, for
Speaker 3: my more focus is the HD and that's where you're
Speaker 3: gonna be okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense why people eat it instead
Speaker 1: of yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly ended up eating. It's a little different too,
Speaker 3: because it just changes. It changes how it develops in
Speaker 3: your just like entire system in your cannabinoid system with
Speaker 3: the receptors in your body. And that's why that's why
Speaker 3: there's more people that it's say it's stronger when you
Speaker 3: eat an edible, but it's because it just works in
Speaker 3: different ways. But oh, there is something I did want
Speaker 3: to tell you, if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, all right.
Speaker 2: So I was.
Speaker 3: At your North Carolina Charlotte show right after so after
Speaker 3: you took down the prompts and like all that ship
Speaker 3: and I texted in afters I was scared. I was
Speaker 3: nervous to get up because I was high as fucked.
Speaker 3: I was nervous to talk to you. So I didn't
Speaker 3: send it in until you came out on stage, and
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that you uh or you wrote them
Speaker 3: down before the show and then came out to do them.
Speaker 3: Did you did you see any of the ones that
Speaker 3: were sent or do you just completely just like trash
Speaker 3: the rest of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I probably I probably saw your message at some point.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I wanted to tell you. So I am
Speaker 3: a behavioral neuroscientist. Okay, I wanted to tell you about
Speaker 3: one time I conditioned myself to get horny when I
Speaker 3: smelled microwavable pot pie in middle school. Conditioned myself absolutely
Speaker 3: fucking not. It was on accident. I was a little
Speaker 3: fat ass kid that loved those little whatever pot pies
Speaker 3: lit little green box whatever. They were delicious. I was
Speaker 3: a little fat child, and every time that I would
Speaker 3: make those in the microwave, I would beat my dick
Speaker 3: smelling the pop pies. And then I realized that it
Speaker 3: was a problem when someone in my family made a
Speaker 3: pop pie at one point and I smelled it, and
Speaker 3: I was instantly horny, and I.
Speaker 2: Had a problem.
Speaker 3: And I somehow took that experience and became a behavioralist neuroscientist.
Speaker 1: This is what inspired your entire career.
Speaker 3: Yes, because I was literally classically conditioned, and I was
Speaker 3: classically conditioned to get hard when I smelled microwavable pop pie.
Speaker 3: And then I looked into it and I was like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, And now I'm a neuroscientist.
Speaker 1: What kind of pot pie?
Speaker 3: What the fuck is? It's the green It's the great
Speaker 3: If you ate it when you were a kid, you
Speaker 3: want to know either the fucking green box pop pie.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's chat, just cant know where the
Speaker 3: fuck it is. Uh, what would it be? I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was the it's like a woman's name. It's green
Speaker 3: box pot pie, fucking delicious. Probably probably the thing that kills.
Speaker 2: Me, not the THHD.
Speaker 1: And to this day, when you smell pop pie, do
Speaker 1: you still get hard?
Speaker 3: No, Because in classical conditioning, after a certain amount of
Speaker 3: time either getting hard and not smelling the stimulus of
Speaker 3: pot pie, you have extinction period where you where you
Speaker 3: lose that learning like ability, so you learn, you lose
Speaker 3: the stimulus, which in turn extincts the actual behavior itself.
Speaker 3: So I no longer get hard. And I tested too
Speaker 3: because I was honestly curious, and I no longer do it,
Speaker 3: So I'm not fucked up that fucked up anymore. I
Speaker 3: had to fix myself. I'm still flow fucked up.
Speaker 1: But you really are a scientist.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought it would be cool to talk
Speaker 3: to you about the thing you do all the time
Speaker 3: and tell you you're probably gonna die in the next
Speaker 3: couple of days. But who fucking knows?
Speaker 1: How did you? How did you decondition yourself from getting
Speaker 1: horny from these pies by not so.
Speaker 3: By getting horny without the smell of pop pie, which
Speaker 3: is the stimulus. So when you take away the stimulus,
Speaker 3: which is the smell of pop pies and repeatedly get
Speaker 3: horny for a X number of years, it slowly dwindles away.
Speaker 3: So when I stopped eating those pop pies and I said, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna go for a run. I'm a fat fuck.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, and I got a little
Speaker 3: bit better. And this is like when I was in
Speaker 3: middle school. So I stopped doing all that shit and
Speaker 3: I realized I probably need to eat a little healthier now.
Speaker 3: Almost fucking fat ass again, I mean, but.
Speaker 1: Whatever, it's cool. Look gets you.
Speaker 3: Home down listening to your streams. Yeah, I'm just sitting
Speaker 3: a fucking edge. Yeah no, I'm actually kidding. My girlfriend
Speaker 3: gives me pretty pretty alright.
Speaker 1: But what's your name again?
Speaker 3: My name is James.
Speaker 1: James. James is good talking to you about most of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 1: to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say I really like those lamps
Speaker 3: that you can fucking like change like the elis with
Speaker 3: your phone. I just think that they're really fucking cool
Speaker 3: because I just play with them like when I'm super
Speaker 3: high and just watch them change colors. That's it.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your life, man, and you'll be
Speaker 1: You even need many tell you to do that.
Speaker 3: Hey YouTube, bro, keep smoking. Maybe you'll die soon? What
Speaker 3: maybe later?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: One knows.
Speaker 2: Have a good life.
Speaker 1: Take care, Brody, Hey bye, get I think I want
Speaker 1: to go make myself a Piepcon.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line making your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: The Beacon goes doing his eye.
Speaker 1: He's teaching you aloud in the mid of your life,
Speaker 1: but he's not really an expert.