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Speaker 1: McCovey coved. It's another episode of splash Hit Territory.

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Speaker 2: We are both in Scottsdale. Susan nice enough to join

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Speaker 2: me again today. I'm FP Santangeo. You're amazing host for this.

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Speaker 1: And the wonderful Susan Slusser joins us as Susan.

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Speaker 2: Lot's going on right now in Giants Camp. We're both here.

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Speaker 1: This is so much better to these podcasts. And we're

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Speaker 3: We're not in the same place. We're not on the dugout.

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Speaker 3: We're in our stupid hotel rooms. I mean, you know what,

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Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I like a day off during

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Speaker 3: the spring. It's a six long weeks. These are I

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Speaker 3: don't think people understand that. Everybody's like, you're so lucky

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Speaker 3: you go to spring. I think I complained about this

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Speaker 1: I'm there with you most of the time. I just

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Speaker 1: on an off day for sure. Okay, so we got

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Speaker 3: I for We've got more of more WBC because what

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Speaker 3: Our first topic is injuries, and you I feel like

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Speaker 1: And he said there was one game in little league

436
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Speaker 1: he gets I would emulate him.

437
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Speaker 2: I wanted to be like him.

438
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Speaker 1: And there was a game in little league where the

439
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Speaker 1: day before Bryce hit three home runs.

440
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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen.

441
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Speaker 1: And by the way, he's making me feel old as

442
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Speaker 1: hell telling me all this, And so the next day

443
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Speaker 1: in little league he hit three home runs too, and

444
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Speaker 1: so he used to and he said I would just

445
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Speaker 1: try to copy what Bryce did.

446
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: He goes, that was the coolest thing ever. I think.

447
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Speaker 1: I think Bryce told him, and you probably know this,

448
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be on tam USA next time around

449
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Speaker 1: with WBC.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Aaron Judge, you too. Aaron Judge

451
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 3: had lots of nice words to say about Bryce Eldridge

452
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Speaker 3: after that WBC exhibition.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a lot.

454
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Speaker 3: But what I will say is, you know, I talk

455
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Speaker 3: to scouts all the time. I love the scouts. They

456
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Speaker 3: know what they're looking at. I don't always, And they

457
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: are so weirdly split on Bryce Eldridge. There's a bunch

458
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Speaker 3: that think he needs more time. He needs more time

459
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Speaker 3: at Sacramento. He's twenty one, still learning first, you know,

460
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 3: still really learning how to hit at the upper levels, right.

461
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen it. But a lot of them think,

462
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Speaker 3: don't rush him. He's such a special talent, do not

463
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Speaker 3: rush him. I think I think he's ready. Then there

464
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Speaker 3: are scouts who are like, oh, yeah, I'd put him

465
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Speaker 3: in there right now. What I've kind of noticed when

466
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Speaker 3: I'm talking to scout scouts is the ones that are

467
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Speaker 3: really high on put him in right now are from

468
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Speaker 3: the teams that are younger, going younger, or are really

469
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Speaker 3: lacking in any big sluggers. And I think they're looking

470
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Speaker 3: at Bryce going man, that guy I would put in

471
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Speaker 3: right now. And that's really the scoutstone sort of the

472
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Speaker 3: bigger market, really successful teams that are like like, let

473
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Speaker 3: him develop a little bit more so. I don't know.

474
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's just a where your team is kind of

475
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Speaker 3: a stance on Bryce Eldridge. But that's how it's a

476
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Speaker 3: tough call, right You don't want him to open the

477
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Speaker 3: season on the roster and have a like, get off

478
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Speaker 3: to a really bad start and have it affect him. Now,

479
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Speaker 3: you and I know Bryce, he does not have that

480
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Speaker 3: kind of personality. If he comes up and has like

481
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Speaker 3: a tough month and goes back to Sacramento, he will

482
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Speaker 3: be fine. He is not lacking in confidence. I don't

483
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Speaker 3: think that will hurt him. So I hope that's not

484
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Speaker 3: a consideration. I'm big on you want the best guy

485
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Speaker 3: on your roster to help you win. I think right now,

486
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Speaker 3: Bryce Eldridge is a guy who does that.

487
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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you could flip flop him and Raffie

489
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Speaker 1: at first and keep them both fresh. I mean, it

490
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be one guy plays all the time

491
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Speaker 1: and Bryce just DH's.

492
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Speaker 2: You could go.

493
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Speaker 1: You could split that right down the mid if you

494
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Speaker 1: wanted to, And then you know, you have to worry

495
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: about injuries with Raffi sometimes, and now you're keeping both

496
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Speaker 1: guys on top of their game number one, and you're

497
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Speaker 1: still developing Bryce at first base and the big leagues

498
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: is a tough place to learn, but he's already gotten

499
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Speaker 1: a taste of it last year. He's in spring training

500
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Speaker 1: right now, playing a tremendous first base and very confident

501
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Speaker 1: in offense and defense. I think it's be a tough

502
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Speaker 1: decision for the Giants, but like I think there's room

503
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Speaker 1: for both of those guys at first base and at

504
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Speaker 1: d H this year.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I think there's room. I think the only

506
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Speaker 3: question is Bryce ready, And to me, he looks ready,

507
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Speaker 3: but there is not everyone agrees.

508
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Speaker 4: So I'm just going to sound that note of caution.

509
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that that even in the Giants' front office,

510
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are divided opinions on whether he's ready

511
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Speaker 3: or not. I'm sure on the coaching staff there are

512
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Speaker 3: probably a little bit of you know, people sounding notes

513
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Speaker 3: of caution. He's twenty one, you know, and you don't

514
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Speaker 3: want to mess with his development. You want them if

515
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: he needs to still develop a little bit more in Sacramento,

516
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: that might have to happen, if you know, depending on

517
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: whose voice is the one that makes the decisions and

518
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: feels most strongly.

519
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: If Buster Posey.

520
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Speaker 3: Thinks he needs a little more time, he's going to

521
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Speaker 3: get a little more time. So I don't think it's

522
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Speaker 3: necessarily a done deal. He's on the opening day roster,

523
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Speaker 3: but he's certain, you know what, he's so close. Even

524
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Speaker 3: if he's not, we will see him. I would guess

525
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Speaker 3: we would see him pretty soon.

526
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Speaker 4: So we had.

527
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Speaker 3: Hunter mens on the other day. You had a wonderful

528
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Speaker 3: chat with Hunter Men's. It was so interesting. If people

529
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Speaker 3: haven't listened to that or watched it yet, definitely go

530
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Speaker 3: back because I learned a lot. But right now, the

531
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Speaker 3: Giants are leading the majors in spring batting average. Do

532
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Speaker 3: we care about that? And also they're hitting grand slams

533
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Speaker 3: like crazy, three of them so.

534
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Speaker 2: Far they are. I'll tell you this, it's spring training.

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Speaker 1: And if they were last in the league in batting now,

536
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Speaker 1: I would be like, it's just spring training, there's nothing

537
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Speaker 1: into that.

538
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: But there, I mean, it's something.

539
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at all the gaudy numbers, whether

540
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: it's Ramos or Mattos or Bryce Eldridge. You just go

541
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: down the line, everyone's at four hundred, five hundred, three hundred.

542
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I think there's something to it, but I'm also not good.

543
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: I would pooh pooh it if they were last. So

544
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Speaker 1: it's spring training. I mean, it's nice, but well, get

545
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Speaker 1: to me in July and if they're at the top

546
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: of average, that's when it matters. But I will say

547
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Speaker 1: this from a player's standpoint, it feels good to have

548
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Speaker 1: a good spring training, even though it doesn't go on

549
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: the back of your baseball card. It gives you confidence

550
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: when you break camp and head north that your swing's right.

551
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Speaker 1: There's also that little man in your head saying, I

552
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Speaker 1: hope you didn't get all your hits in spring training,

553
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Speaker 1: and then once the season starts, you know, now what

554
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Speaker 1: because there's always a there's always a lull after a

555
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Speaker 1: hot streak, and you're like, is the lull going to

556
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Speaker 1: be on an opening day when it counts and goes

557
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Speaker 1: on the back of my baseball card.

558
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Speaker 2: So as you could tell, I was an overthinker.

559
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Speaker 1: But you want to have your spring training is about

560
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Speaker 1: getting your timing right, your strike zone right, and feeling

561
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Speaker 1: good about yourself. It's not about batting average. It's not

562
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Speaker 1: about how many hits. It doesn't go on the back

563
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Speaker 1: of your baseball card. If you're a veteran guy in

564
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: spring training. Perfect at bat is a line out to

565
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Speaker 1: short where you hit it as hard as you could.

566
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: Because then you don't have to run the bases.

567
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: Go right back to the dugout, come up again, line

568
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: out to center field, go back to the dugout.

569
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Speaker 2: You don't have to run the bases. Those are veteran.

570
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: At bats and spring training. You don't care what your

571
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Speaker 1: numbers are down here. You just want to feel right

572
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: at the plate. You want to feel confident at the plate.

573
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: You want to feel good when the planes fly over

574
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Speaker 1: an opening day.

575
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you is in you know, thirty whatever years

576
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Speaker 3: of doing this. For every player who has this hot

577
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: spring and then goes on to have a great season,

578
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: or every every team that has a great spring and

579
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: then goes on to have a to make the playoffs,

580
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: there are just as many, you know of the opposite

581
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: great spring and then terrible season and never heard from again.

582
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: Teams that have amazing spad I mean, the Giants had

583
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: some good springs in the last couple of years and

584
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: and do what they wanted to do during the regular season. So,

585
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: Billy Be you always said, don't fall in love during

586
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: spring training. I try to take that to heart, but

587
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: sometimes it's sometimes it's difficult.

588
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: That's hard in Scott's Dale off the field too. But

589
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.

590
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: This, Like I had a teammate Shane Andrews in Montreal

591
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: was one of my dear friends, and he would rake

592
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: in spring training. I'm talking five hundred home runs every

593
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: spring and as soon as the calendar flipped and it counted,

594
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: you know, they pitch you different, they scout you different.

595
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: Guys are working on things in spring training. They're not

596
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Speaker 1: showing your whole arsenal because they might face you during

597
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: the season and they and if they do show you

598
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: their whole arsenal, like that's dumb, I think. In spring training,

599
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: so guys.

600
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Speaker 2: Are gonna I'm gonna change up heavy today. I don't

601
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Speaker 2: care if I give up eight runs. It's the same

602
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: for pictures. They're just working on things.

603
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: So you can get a little too excited in averages

604
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: in spring training. And it's a tough way to evaluate.

605
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: I always thought as a GM or a president of

606
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: baseball operations are a big league manager.

607
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: It's tough evaluation. Down here. September is the hardest month.

608
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: When you're out of a pennant race to evaluate a

609
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: kid that gets called up because the games don't mean

610
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: a whole lot.

611
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: It still is the big leagues, and here, guys can change.

612
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: As soon as there's a third deck and forty thousand

613
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: people and it's on ESPN or Netflix and it's the

614
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: only game on TV. Then all of a sudden, the

615
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: nerves start to take over, and you're playing for a

616
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: salary and a contract and.

617
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: Your family and your career.

618
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: It's just free and easy down here. So I don't

619
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Speaker 1: know how they evaluate. I think this is the toughest

620
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: time and the toughest place.

621
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or the games on Fox one, remember, But the

622
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: one thing I would also add is don't fall out

623
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Speaker 3: love they're in spring training either. You know, you have

624
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: to make evaluations, but you know, don't cut off guys

625
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: just I mean, unless you're out of options, right, Like

626
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: if you have a terrible spring and you're out of options,

627
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: well kind of don't really have much chance, right. But otherwise,

628
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: like a guy, you know, say, I spend so much

629
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: time talking about Hayden Hayden Birdsung doesn't quite figure it

630
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: out here nobody is going to give up on him, right,

631
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: But don't do that to say, the non roster guys

632
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: who might be really useful additions, keep, you know, give

633
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: them opportunities as much as possible, depending on your your rosters,

634
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: either the big league, Triple A or whatever, because this

635
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: is not the time of year to really judge, make

636
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: like huge career type judgments on somebody.

637
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: Remember Sparky Anderson, the old manager of the Tigers. He

638
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: was the Reds first for the big machinery. This is

639
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: the next Mickey Mantle about some kid and this is

640
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: the next. And he was the guy that was roller

641
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: coaster in spring training. Every year it was the next

642
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: so and so, and he would tag put labels on

643
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Felipe who's my idol and hero? And I wouldn't be

644
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: talking to you today if it wasn't for him. Used

645
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: to get super excited about young players in spring training,

646
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: like overly excited, like oh this Kiko, and then he.

647
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: Wouldn't make the team.

648
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: So I think it's it goes both ways in spring

649
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: You can't if a guy that has resume in back

650
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: of the baseball card says he's going to do something

651
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: and he's having a horrible Spring who cares?

652
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: Truth? All right? Anything else you want to cover before

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Speaker 2: the last man.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've I feel like we've babbled long enough.

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Speaker 3: Probably in fact, I think we're starting to repeat ourselves

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Speaker 3: on something.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the pool.

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Speaker 3: You can cli someone swinging hard or some something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, swing gard in case you hit it on splash

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Speaker 1: It territory, see Susan, Bye, everybody,