Speaker 1: What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and on today's show,
Speaker 1: there is a real possibility this is the last time
Speaker 1: you hear me before the twenty twenty four season is over.
Speaker 1: We'll have the recap for you guys on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: but today we're talking to Antoine Staley.
Speaker 2: He covers the New York Jets for the New York Daily.
Speaker 1: We'll have the week eighteen picks and probably ruin my
Speaker 1: record because who the hell knows who's going to win
Speaker 1: half these games this week. We also might stop by
Speaker 1: the Dolphins locker room to talk to some of the
Speaker 1: guys about Week eight team playing for the playoffs. All
Speaker 1: of that and more from the Baptist Hill Studios inside
Speaker 1: the Baptist Hill Training Complex.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 2: The Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 3: Aye gaff.
Speaker 1: I would like to address something right off the top,
Speaker 1: because well, this really annoys me and I don't even
Speaker 1: think I'm going to push back on the person that
Speaker 1: wrote this review. On Apple pop cast Reviews, someone said
Speaker 1: that the actually, let's go ahead and read the entire thing.
Speaker 1: Why not be completest about it? The review says, getting
Speaker 1: lazy have followed you since Lockdown Dolphins, Travis, but your
Speaker 1: post game shows are so uncreative. You're basically reading the
Speaker 1: play by play from ESPN's gamecast plus seven minutes of
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel talking in circles sprinkled in to get you
Speaker 1: to a thirty minute threshold. We all watched the football game,
Speaker 1: Please give us some different insights. I agree on the
Speaker 1: take on the Cleveland game, because that Cleveland game was
Speaker 1: boring as hell. That was a preseason game you watched, right.
Speaker 1: Dtr is not an NFL quarterback. He is probably playing
Speaker 1: for the Memphis Express next year or in two years.
Speaker 1: And Tyler Huntley played decent, but the Dolphins operation was
Speaker 1: not very good. Twenty to three in that type of system,
Speaker 1: in that type of atmosphere and situation was not a
Speaker 1: game that I felt really deserved a whole lot of critiquing. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'll revamp the the way I do those
Speaker 1: shows in the future, But man, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I gave some pretty good critical els
Speaker 1: have for the Houston game, in the San Francisco game
Speaker 1: and the Jets game. Even like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't agree with that on the granular level. But in
Speaker 1: that particular game, I just want to tell you that
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what to talk about because they
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball. The passing game was you know,
Speaker 1: it was basically unimaginative, like one route reads, and there
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot to break down. Defensively, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna break down the opposing quarterback can't complete a forward pass.
Speaker 1: So I just want to acknowledge that we're gonna revamp
Speaker 1: the way we do those next season. But for that
Speaker 1: particular game, yeah, that was a tough one. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you guys. Doing two hours of postgame
Speaker 1: radio on that game and then coming back with a podcast,
Speaker 1: it wasn't to get to a thirty minute threshold.
Speaker 2: I have no rules on that.
Speaker 1: As you can tell. I've done podcasts that have been
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. I've done podcasts that have been forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. That's not what I was doing there. I
Speaker 1: was trying to give you words on the Tua injury
Speaker 1: from McDaniel because he knows better than I do. So
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing there. All right, that's enough clarification
Speaker 1: off the top of the show. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: get to my guest here, Antwine Staley, to break down
Speaker 1: this Dolphins and Jets matchup from week eighteen from Metlive Stadium.
Speaker 2: Here's my chat with Antoine.
Speaker 1: He's a call and beat writer for the New York
Speaker 1: Daily News, friend of the show, friend of the host
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Antwine.
Speaker 1: Stay, Antoine, welcome back in and man, I was on
Speaker 1: your ex page getting all your bona fides lined up
Speaker 1: here before I introduced you on the show, and I
Speaker 1: got to ask you this, man, what am I looking
Speaker 1: at at that header atop your page on X Is
Speaker 1: that like a preemptive shark attack?
Speaker 2: I'm looking at there.
Speaker 3: I don't know what this is. It is.
Speaker 4: It is pretty funny though.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was when I was in Puerto Rico. So that's
Speaker 4: just like a rock there in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's kind of weird because the beach is
Speaker 4: a little bit rockier than most of the beaches in
Speaker 4: the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, it's a rock. It's not a creature about
Speaker 1: to swallow you up.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, I was at Daytona Beach this summer with my
Speaker 1: family and a shoot one of those big things just
Speaker 1: float around. The Amanite bumped my leg and Antoine, the
Speaker 1: feeling I had for one point seven seconds when I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was was one of abject hair
Speaker 1: that everyone experience my life ever again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like your heart drop. I guess that's
Speaker 4: probably that's that's how I felt like. I've been in
Speaker 4: the ocean with sharks and I'm like, oh, God, like
Speaker 4: you just like if I make it out of here,
Speaker 4: I'm not getting out again.
Speaker 2: And then you go back in.
Speaker 4: And then the last time I did it, I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm just gonna, you know, sit at
Speaker 4: the bottom of the ocean or the tip of it
Speaker 4: and then just put my feet in and I'm good.
Speaker 4: Like it's a smart man, especially how warm the Atlantic
Speaker 4: is like anything in.
Speaker 2: There, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are they're low odds that you would ever
Speaker 1: get attacked by something. But you're a man that's not
Speaker 1: playing those odds because you're a smart man, unlike a
Speaker 1: lot of us that do go in the ocean around here.
Speaker 1: So we didn't have you want to talk about ocean activities,
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and start here, Antoine, because I want
Speaker 1: to go a big picture with you on the Jets
Speaker 1: here in just one second. And again, my listeners know
Speaker 1: that this is my least favorite team and all of
Speaker 1: professional sports. And you know, I gotta be honest, I
Speaker 1: quite revel in a four win season. But to ensure
Speaker 1: they don't make it a five win season, we need
Speaker 1: the Dolphins to take care of business on Sunday and
Speaker 1: hopefully get some help as well. And with that, can
Speaker 1: you just give me the lay of the land in
Speaker 1: terms of who might be available, who might be held
Speaker 1: out from this game. I know injuries are obviously unique
Speaker 1: this time of year in terms of who pushes to go,
Speaker 1: but are the Jets going to be playing everybody who's
Speaker 1: healthy and ready to play?
Speaker 4: If if they have some nix and pain, then I
Speaker 4: imagine they don't play in this one. And then you
Speaker 4: know it's some big names that could potentially miss this game.
Speaker 4: I mean, he got Sauce Gardner, who's been battling a
Speaker 4: hamstring injury the last three weeks. Uh tried to play
Speaker 4: being Buffalo. He did for about a half and then
Speaker 4: end up going right back out. So I would my
Speaker 4: guess would be he does not play. Jeff Albrigs said
Speaker 4: he was one of the names that he were kind
Speaker 4: of concerned about this week. So Salce is a guy
Speaker 4: that look for. Quentin Williams also been dealing with a
Speaker 4: hamstring injury. He did play against Buffalo, but you know
Speaker 4: those hamstring injuries can you know, flare back up from
Speaker 4: week to week, so you never know, so they probably
Speaker 4: need some time to heal. I don't know if Quinton
Speaker 4: is going to play. I don't know if he should
Speaker 4: play in a game like this, especially when the heads
Speaker 4: hamstring has also been nagging him for a little while.
Speaker 3: And more than.
Speaker 4: Moses, who just been a warrior always saying along, been
Speaker 4: dealing with a knee injury really since Week three against
Speaker 4: the Patriots, and he's played through it may have to
Speaker 4: have some kind of procedure at the end of the year.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you got really three big names there. And
Speaker 4: not to mention ol Fashion Dowd for Penn State, the
Speaker 4: Jets draft pick. It's also out for the season and
Speaker 4: two as well with a foot injury, So they already
Speaker 4: have some injuries they're dealing with there, and now you
Speaker 4: got three major guys that could potentially miss the game
Speaker 4: two as well, So and I'll also throw into larger
Speaker 4: Verry Tucker, their right guard has been dealing with an
Speaker 4: ankle injury the last few weeks too. It's also another
Speaker 4: name to keep out.
Speaker 1: For Okay, So that's some information I wasn't privy to
Speaker 1: because I knew about Sauce and I imagine you know
Speaker 1: that was what he missed the game down here with
Speaker 1: was the hamstring injury, and with Quinn Williams too. Like
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense because I mean, if
Speaker 1: you go into a game and you dress a guy
Speaker 1: that has an injury like that. To your point about
Speaker 1: Sauce last week, they could easily exit that game and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're sure a body in that room.
Speaker 1: So I imagine they would probably be careful with that.
Speaker 1: But the offensive line ones I wasn't really privy to,
Speaker 1: and I want to follow up with you on that
Speaker 1: because you know, you mentioned, you know, Tyrone Smith Ssarfs
Speaker 1: obviously down for the year.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Olufashanu being out for the year as well.
Speaker 1: So they're with Max Mitchell right now, and then Morgan
Speaker 1: Moses a tackle who would be the replacement for Morgan
Speaker 1: Moses because that's a guy that I think is probably
Speaker 1: the best tackle on the roster right now, but going
Speaker 1: up against Chop Robinson, that's a tough matchup.
Speaker 2: Who would be the guy that would take his place?
Speaker 3: Well, it would be Carter Warren.
Speaker 4: That's why I thought that's the only tackle that unless
Speaker 4: they bring somebody up, which they may have to for
Speaker 4: this particular game. But yeah, Carter Warren, somebody they drafted
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three out of pit there had some
Speaker 4: expirits on both the left and right side. So yeah,
Speaker 4: Morgan can't go. I would imagine it would be Carter Warren.
Speaker 4: It gets to start too, and Morgan actually exited the
Speaker 4: game briefly against Buffalo there until he came back, and
Speaker 4: just you know what he's been doing all year. He's
Speaker 4: been dealing with a ton of injuries, so I would
Speaker 4: think they would shut him down. I think they should
Speaker 4: in a case like this, but they need bodies on
Speaker 4: the offensive line, and if you play Carder Warrenton, you're
Speaker 4: definitely gonna have somebody that's behind him too, just in
Speaker 4: case something would happen.
Speaker 1: And not to mention the quarterback who you know, I
Speaker 1: want to get to that real quick. But man, just
Speaker 1: these week eighteen games Don't get me wrong. At first,
Speaker 1: I was hesitant to expanded playoffs and expanded season, but
Speaker 1: it's just more football, So why would I complain about that?
Speaker 1: But when you do get to this point of the year,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm making my picks on the show after
Speaker 1: we say goodbye to you, Like, these picks are so
Speaker 1: hard to make because there's so many games that just
Speaker 1: don't have playoff implications attached to them. So you're going
Speaker 1: to be seeing a bunch of guys that are kind
Speaker 1: of any evaluation mode for next year. But with that
Speaker 1: in mind, for the New York Jets, if they do
Speaker 1: opt to go without Morgan Moses and without Elijah Vera Tucker, like,
Speaker 1: you know, one of my biggest things in the preview
Speaker 1: podcast Antwine was how when Rogers kind of takes some
Speaker 1: hits early, I feel like it impacts the way he
Speaker 1: plays the rest of the game. And there's obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, I don't want to say toxicity there,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's the right word. For a guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of possibly on the outs, playing maybe his last
Speaker 1: game there, why the heck would he want to play
Speaker 1: behind him offensive line that has multiple backups and backups
Speaker 1: to the backups. Mike crazy for thinking that, or is
Speaker 1: it Rogers all the way?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be Rogers. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: it's two folds why I think he wants to play One.
Speaker 4: I mean, his goal was coming into the season to
Speaker 4: play all seventeen games, especially coming off the Achilles injury
Speaker 4: that he suffered in twenty three. And you know, it's
Speaker 4: a bit of a win for him, although you know
Speaker 4: it's definitely hasn't been the season anybody imagined. So I
Speaker 4: think just playing seventeen games is very important to him,
Speaker 4: and considering his uncertainty, you know, whether he plays with
Speaker 4: the Jets or anybody next year. I mean, this really
Speaker 4: could be last his final game. We could be seeing
Speaker 4: one of the best quarterbacks of all time players playing
Speaker 4: his final game ever. And two, he's trying to get
Speaker 4: his five hundred coreer. Now that's also the other thing
Speaker 4: as well. We spoke to him on Wednesday. He said
Speaker 4: he could live with, you know, being at four ninety nine,
Speaker 4: but you could tell he really wants it. He's really
Speaker 4: been pushing it the last few weeks. There wasn't able
Speaker 4: to get it last week against Buffalo there tried to
Speaker 4: you know, get some past Devonte Adams and as you
Speaker 4: alluded to, the offensive if it's not healthy and it
Speaker 4: hasn't been for a little while, then it's gonna be
Speaker 4: hard for him to you know, get that time in
Speaker 4: the pocket. And he's not completely healthy either. He's been
Speaker 4: dealing with a MCL the last couple of weeks to
Speaker 4: dating back to the Rams game. So I think when
Speaker 4: he played Dolphins the last time he started to get
Speaker 4: a little bit healthy. He was moving around in the
Speaker 4: pocket sort of what we're used to customer seeing with
Speaker 4: Rogers and then Buffalo. Yeah, you can just tell he's
Speaker 4: still not, you know, one hundred percent healthy. And you
Speaker 4: know he's forty one years old. I mean when you
Speaker 4: get that age, you mean you start having these you know,
Speaker 4: knits and pains just out of nowhere. And not to mention,
Speaker 4: you're playing at a physical game like the NFL, So
Speaker 4: that's also something to keep in mind too. When he's
Speaker 4: not one hundred percent healthy and then you have the
Speaker 4: offensive line very shorthanded due to injury, could be bad
Speaker 4: state of affairs for the Jets once again offensively if
Speaker 4: the Dolphins can get consistent.
Speaker 3: Pressure on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm far from a professional athlete. But if I
Speaker 1: sleep the wrong way age thirty seven, that wake up
Speaker 1: feeling sore for a week.
Speaker 2: So I feel that for sure as far as.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers goes, yeah, we're in that same boat man,
Speaker 1: and yeah to that point, like I was hoping Rogers
Speaker 1: would get one touchdown pass last week, becau, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's the big motivation for him here is that
Speaker 1: five hundred touchdown pass. But moving on to the other
Speaker 1: side of the football, and I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about this Tyler dunpiece. He writes the Go Long Blog,
Speaker 1: which is a really good, just really good independent journalism
Speaker 1: taking a look at multiple teams across the league.
Speaker 2: And he writes these in depth stories.
Speaker 1: And you know, since he wrote the article on the
Speaker 1: Bills last year, that was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was almost like fan fiction for Dolphins fans to
Speaker 1: see all these potential, you know, concerns behind the doors
Speaker 1: in Buffalo and Orchard Park there. But since that article,
Speaker 1: they're like nineteen and four or something. So hopefully he
Speaker 1: didn't reverse curse the Jets as well. But he wrote
Speaker 1: a story from postgame up in Buffalo last Sunday, and
Speaker 1: he had a quote in there from DJ Reid about
Speaker 1: looking forward to testing free agency, and you know, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Sauce and you mentioned Quinn Williams.
Speaker 2: Those guys have injuries. But I'm so curious about his position.
Speaker 1: Going into this game because I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: situation where, hey, if you're not with us in this
Speaker 1: final game, where there could potentially be business decisions and
Speaker 1: guy checking out, Like you're good man, go ahead and
Speaker 1: go to freegency right now.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how the Jets will play that.
Speaker 2: What's your whole take.
Speaker 3: On that thing?
Speaker 4: Well, it's all started a few weeks ago when Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers I believe this was after the I want to
Speaker 4: say this before the Rams game, so it was after
Speaker 4: when they played. I think it was after the Dolphins, actually,
Speaker 4: excuse me. So he was asked about, you know, just
Speaker 4: the team and just everything moving forward and how players
Speaker 4: can you know, be motivated late in the season, especially
Speaker 4: when the Dolphins eliminated them, and he basically said that
Speaker 4: he felt like players have already started to check out,
Speaker 4: and that was kind of stunning in and then I
Speaker 4: think from there then you've heard earlier players that said this.
Speaker 4: Also said something after the game against the Buffalo Buffalo
Speaker 4: last week that you know, he felt like some players
Speaker 4: had already checked out, they're looking forward to free agency
Speaker 4: or the old season or things of that nature too.
Speaker 4: And then also on top of it, we asked a
Speaker 4: few of the players, you would think, you know, division,
Speaker 4: if you're the Jets, like you would feel some kind
Speaker 4: of motivation to want to keep them out, And a
Speaker 4: lot of players didn't. They really take the bite. I mean,
Speaker 4: they really take de bait at all. They just basically
Speaker 4: I think some of the players are just ready for
Speaker 4: the season to be over with. It's been a long year. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the Jets have had a lot of changes, whether it
Speaker 4: be head coach or general manager, and it's been a
Speaker 4: really a nightmare. So I don't know what kind of
Speaker 4: Jets team we're gonna get against the Dolphins on Sunday,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be blistery code there. So I imagine
Speaker 4: some players will be motivated to play well when in
Speaker 4: the season on a positive note there, but it's also
Speaker 4: probably gonna be other players that, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if check I don't know if they're gonna quit
Speaker 4: is the word. I don't know if that's the word
Speaker 4: that I would use, but I would just say that
Speaker 4: there they want, they want to win. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, I think a lot of players just want
Speaker 4: this nightmare to be over with.
Speaker 2: That's a fair approach.
Speaker 1: But I gotta say, man, that's just the modern day
Speaker 1: league where these these teams don't hate each other like
Speaker 1: they used to hate. Like I always talked to Oj McDuffie,
Speaker 1: my my co host on the postgame radio show, and
Speaker 1: he loves it. He lows the jersey swaps and all
Speaker 1: that stuff the other games because Oj did not like
Speaker 1: anybody on the opposing four teams in the AFC East
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: And that's my guy. That's why he's Oj McDuffie.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and pivot here real quick to the
Speaker 1: matchup and a couple of questions before we take a break,
Speaker 1: and then come back and have you on for some
Speaker 1: big picture stuff.
Speaker 2: What do you expect from this matchup?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: Like we saw the Jets passing game click, and you
Speaker 1: made the point about Rogers. I thought that was his
Speaker 1: best game, dealing with pressure and extending that he had
Speaker 1: the entire year. And I haven't watched all the games
Speaker 1: on tape, but enough of them to have that opinion.
Speaker 1: I think why was it so smooth in that game
Speaker 1: compared to what else has happened, especially since that Dolphins
Speaker 1: game down here in Miami.
Speaker 4: I think they protected Rodgers well. I think they open
Speaker 4: it up very well to DeVante Adams and both Garrett
Speaker 4: Wilson were just having really good days there, and they were,
Speaker 4: you know, without Breste Hall in that particular game too,
Speaker 4: so it was really it was the Isaiah Davis and
Speaker 4: Brelan Allen Show against Miami, and they would just chuck
Speaker 4: had been able to chuck the ball around and data.
Speaker 4: I think that was Honestly, I think that was their
Speaker 4: best offensive game the season, albeit coming in a loss,
Speaker 4: but I definitely think they had everything going offensively, and
Speaker 4: they played what the offensive side played well enough to
Speaker 4: win the game. It was just really special teams and
Speaker 4: defense they kind of did them in late in that game.
Speaker 4: Obviously the Johnny Smith's game win a touchdown in overtime,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I think what I expect from
Speaker 4: this game. I think it's gonna be very low scoring.
Speaker 4: In the Middle Lands, bet life, whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call it. The wins type of typically swirl this time
Speaker 4: of the year there, it's gonna be buschery code. The
Speaker 4: highest gonna be thirty on Sunday, and then, by the way,
Speaker 4: it's a four to twenty five kickoff, so the temperature
Speaker 4: is gonna continue to steadily decrease as time goes on
Speaker 4: as well. So I think both teams are gonna have
Speaker 4: to deal with, you know, the weather in that fashion.
Speaker 4: It's not supposed to rain, but it's just supposed to
Speaker 4: be a lot of win and it's supposed to be
Speaker 4: really cold, and I think both teams are really gonna
Speaker 4: have to run the football effectively they get the job
Speaker 4: done there. It's gonna come down to turnovers as it
Speaker 4: always does. If the Dolphins can, you know, get some
Speaker 4: pressure on Rogers, especially considering the short they're gonna probably
Speaker 4: likely be shorthanded on the offensive line, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: they're gonna have a really good chance to win this game.
Speaker 4: And if they can't get the pressure on Rogers, then
Speaker 4: I think he'll be able to sport some particular matchups
Speaker 4: too as well. And then you look on the flip side,
Speaker 4: you know, the Jets have either been boom of busts
Speaker 4: as far as getting pressure. I think Will McDonald's had
Speaker 4: a really good season there at Quentin. If he can't
Speaker 4: play the then it really hurts their front line because
Speaker 4: all you really have is a consistent pass rushers Will
Speaker 4: McDonald who's having a really solid year. But outside of that,
Speaker 4: they haven't been able to rush the passer as much
Speaker 4: as they accustomed to, and I think that really hurts,
Speaker 4: especially when you're playing a team that you know can
Speaker 4: get the ball down the field and has weapons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be interesting, especially seeing how the Dolphins
Speaker 1: might be. You know who's going to be available to
Speaker 1: tackle position. We saw that Kendall Lamb has gone to
Speaker 1: IR and he was already the backup to the starter
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, who was such a good player for the
Speaker 1: first half of this year, And now it could be
Speaker 1: looking at a combination of If teast that doesn't play,
Speaker 1: it could be Patrick Paul along with Jackson, Carmen or
Speaker 1: is a win or Liam Mickenberg playing a different position.
Speaker 2: Like we'll have to see what happens on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And then to your point about the Dolphins defense, we
Speaker 1: had Anthony Weaver just a few minutes ago and media availability.
Speaker 1: He talked about the chip they have on their shoulder
Speaker 1: ahead of this game, trying to, you know, to your point,
Speaker 1: they didn't feel good about the way the Jets moved
Speaker 1: the ball in that game offensively back in Week fourteen.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take a quick break come back
Speaker 1: on the other side. I have a couple of big
Speaker 1: picture questions for Antoine regarding the Jets. He is Antoine Staley,
Speaker 1: my guest day on the Draft Time podcast, your host
Speaker 1: Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. All right, Antwine,
Speaker 1: segment two with you here, we talked about this game
Speaker 1: from a perspective of the Dolphins trying to find the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the Jets trying to get to the offseason after a
Speaker 1: very tough, tough twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 2: And that just makes me want to ask you a
Speaker 2: couple of big picture questions.
Speaker 1: Because you know, in my preview podcast I tease how
Speaker 1: you guys know this Jets team. It's been the same
Speaker 1: operation for you know, a handful of years now. But
Speaker 1: next year we're gonna have to revamp that because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be all new in terms of the operation, new
Speaker 1: head coach, new GM presumably new quarterback as well. I
Speaker 1: just want to get your take on the big picture
Speaker 1: with the personnel. First, with Rogers, with Adams, with Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: who is reportedly seeking a trade if the Jets do
Speaker 1: not move off Aaron Rodgers, Can you give us the
Speaker 1: latest on those three big name players that going into
Speaker 1: this year were supposed to be a treat Well, I
Speaker 1: guess Adams wasn't there yet, but once they got Adams
Speaker 1: was supposed to be this deadly trio that hasn't really
Speaker 1: paid off. What do you think of those three guys
Speaker 1: long term future with the Jets.
Speaker 4: I think Adams and I think Rogers are packaged deal.
Speaker 4: And I think if Rogers is not there, I don't
Speaker 4: think Adams is there as well. Because Adams, you know,
Speaker 4: he scheduled to make thirty five million dollars in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, but none of that money is guaranteed, So
Speaker 4: you have to look at it like this. If Rogers
Speaker 4: decides to move on, whether he retires, whether Heaton goes
Speaker 4: on to a different team, I don't think. I think
Speaker 4: Devataos wants to go somewhere where he can win, and
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Jets are going to be
Speaker 4: in that position in the next year or two. So
Speaker 4: and I don't basically being with the Raiders and the
Speaker 4: Jets for you know, the last couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would imagine he would want to move on. So
Speaker 4: I think both of those guys are going. In terms
Speaker 4: of Rogers, I think it's probably I won't say is
Speaker 4: totally one hundred percent he's done, but I would say
Speaker 4: probably like ten to fifteen percent chance that he comes
Speaker 4: back next year. I really can't see it there. It's
Speaker 4: been a long year for him. He's kind of fallen
Speaker 4: out with ownership a little bit too, with the Johnson
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think he's going to Both sides kind
Speaker 4: of want to move on at this point too as well,
Speaker 4: although I'm curious to see if Aaron wants to continue playing.
Speaker 4: The Garrett situation is a little bit more complicated for
Speaker 4: the fact that he will probably still be under contract
Speaker 4: for two more years. They can pick up his fifth
Speaker 4: year option after the twenty four season. I anticipate them
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: You know, we've all the local reporters have been on this,
Speaker 4: but before the national media was. But you know, Garrett
Speaker 4: hasn't been happy for a while. You can go all
Speaker 4: the way back to training camp where him and Rogers
Speaker 4: were shouting out, shouted at each other doing practice, and
Speaker 4: you know, they kind of downplayed it, but you know,
Speaker 4: that's kind of where it all started. And then now
Speaker 4: you pick up Davonte Adams on October fifteenth, and his
Speaker 4: targets have been substantially down to the point where Adams,
Speaker 4: you know, has really become more number one receivers more,
Speaker 4: probably because his chemistry with Aaron throughout the course of
Speaker 4: the years. I don't, I don't. I won't say that
Speaker 4: he's gonna ask for a trade, but I think what
Speaker 4: Garrett wants to do is see, you know, whether Rogers
Speaker 4: comes or Adams come back or not. Wants to see
Speaker 4: who's you know, gonna be the coach, who's gonna be
Speaker 4: the general manager, and then maybe planning accordingly either either,
Speaker 4: you know. Having said that, then if that, you know,
Speaker 4: if he wants to move on with the new regime
Speaker 4: coming in, then that might be the time to do it.
Speaker 4: And his value is probably as high as it's ever been.
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be well. I don't anticipate the Jets
Speaker 4: won't intertrade him, but if somebody wants to offer a
Speaker 4: first round pick or two, maybe potentially for Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 4: then it's something that you definitely have to listen to well.
Speaker 2: Sitting here behind my awkward colored glasses.
Speaker 1: I hope that Garrett Wilson is the one they move
Speaker 1: off of because that guy is an absolute stud and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind seeing him leave the AFC East and one.
Speaker 2: Let's let's finish up here, GM and head coach.
Speaker 1: It's always you know, I always say that if you
Speaker 1: cover the game, if you're a fan of the team,
Speaker 1: like it's best to either be in that position where
Speaker 1: it's like you're starting from a new or obviously to
Speaker 1: be a contenders the primary place you want to be,
Speaker 1: but being in the middle is kind of toughest spot
Speaker 1: to be. The Jets are going to go full full
Speaker 1: board this year, new head coach, new GM. What's the
Speaker 1: earlyly on those two positions, Antwine terms of what you've
Speaker 1: heard and what you think they might do well.
Speaker 4: They've interviewed a few people including Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy,
Speaker 4: also Thomas de Bee Truff and the former GM of
Speaker 4: the Falcons as well, and also former Titans GM John Robinson.
Speaker 4: So those have been the early guys that have interviewed there.
Speaker 4: As far as general manager, they could they may or
Speaker 4: may not interview Lewis Riddick, who works for analysts for ESPN,
Speaker 4: and so in terms of that then they're still I
Speaker 4: imagine they're going to hire a GM before they hired
Speaker 4: a coach there, which is the proper way to do it,
Speaker 4: although the Jets have been known to do things differently,
Speaker 4: just to say the least, So we'll see how they
Speaker 4: all transpires. But they are also today today on Thursday
Speaker 4: as we're speaking, and plan on interviewing Ron rivera h
Speaker 4: and also at some point Retch Ryan, which be a
Speaker 4: blast from the past too for Jets and Dolphins fan or.
Speaker 3: Anybody in the AFCs.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if Rech Ryan is going to
Speaker 4: be the answer, but he's still really close with Woodie Johnson,
Speaker 4: the owner, and I think I do expect him to
Speaker 4: interview there at some point. Outside of that, then, I
Speaker 4: think Aaron Glenn is a name to keep an eye
Speaker 4: out too. Obviously has ties to the Jets. They're played
Speaker 4: for them for eight years or so under Bill Parks
Speaker 4: sales and made a couple of pro bows. He's also
Speaker 4: really well liked within the organization. Started out with as
Speaker 4: a scout after he got done playing, and now you
Speaker 4: know helping you know, Detroit be fourteen to two heading
Speaker 4: into their final game against the Vikings as well, he's
Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna get a lot of looks too, And
Speaker 4: I definitely could see him potentially getting the job there
Speaker 4: and also maybe you know, bringing a guy like a
Speaker 4: John Dorsey there who also works in the lines organization there.
Speaker 4: So if you compare those two up, obviously they have
Speaker 4: they know each other, they have a chemistry at one
Speaker 4: another working you know, with the Lions. I think that'd
Speaker 4: be probably something I would keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Man, really good stuff.
Speaker 1: He is at Antoine's daily on social on the Jets
Speaker 1: be and a columnist for the New York Daily News.
Speaker 1: And if you meet him enough, chances you are if
Speaker 1: you meet him enough, chances are you will eventually see
Speaker 1: him wearing a hat of a minor league baseball team
Speaker 1: that plays in your hometown.
Speaker 2: Antoine, you are the man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time today, dude, and hey, enjoy your vacation
Speaker 1: here in a few days.
Speaker 4: Well I'm gonna try well, I'll know it, he'd be vacation,
Speaker 4: especially doing a GM and coaches. I enjoy trying to
Speaker 4: Jody all season as much as possible but Travis, thank
Speaker 4: you for having me on as always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the best dude.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, And there he goes, always fun catching up
Speaker 1: with Antoine who if you guys don't know, work's down
Speaker 1: here in the South Florida market for I want to say,
Speaker 1: five or six years before he bounced around a little
Speaker 1: bit and made his way up to New York to
Speaker 1: cover the freaking jest. Let's go ahead and roll right
Speaker 1: into the week eighteen picks. We are currently sitting on
Speaker 1: a seventy two point seven percent winning percentage, which would
Speaker 1: be my all time best. But I have a feeling
Speaker 1: it's going to get ruined in this final week of
Speaker 1: the season, because well, I don't know who the hell
Speaker 1: to pick now. The highest win total of all time
Speaker 1: t was last year, one hundred and ninety one wins.
Speaker 1: We are just five wins off that mark, so get
Speaker 1: me at least six wins. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: six and ten, but get me six wins this week
Speaker 1: and we'll beat our previous high.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and cue the music.
Speaker 1: Starting on Saturday, Baltimore over Cleveland and Cincinnati over Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Once Baltimore wins that game, which they will, because you
Speaker 1: watched the Browns last week. We saw that same football game.
Speaker 1: The Steelers have nothing to play for besides seating.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe the Bengals will finish their job. And remember
Speaker 1: when I sad this a few weeks back, I said
Speaker 1: the Bengals were gonna run the table and then they
Speaker 1: lost to the Steelers the very next week. Well they've
Speaker 1: run the table since then. I told you the Steelers
Speaker 1: were gonna lose like five of the last six games.
Speaker 1: They lost four of the last six games. If they
Speaker 1: lose this one, almost dead on that one. A's talked
Speaker 1: about a Broncos collapse, which we are one game away
Speaker 1: from them having their full collapse.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. The Chargers are the one team
Speaker 2: that I was off on. They kind of figured it out.
Speaker 1: The Chargers are just that type of team that doesn't
Speaker 1: lose to bad teams, which in this current NFL landscape,
Speaker 1: like if you have a good quarterback, that's probably gonna happen.
Speaker 1: As evidence with Tua, we don't really lose to bad teams.
Speaker 1: SAMs one time last year against the Titans, but that's
Speaker 1: what Jim Harball teams do.
Speaker 2: They beat the bad teams.
Speaker 1: But You're gonna see them go into a playoff game
Speaker 1: and have no hopes unless they play you know, Houston.
Speaker 2: But if they play.
Speaker 1: Baltimore, they're gonna get right out of the building. So
Speaker 1: that's you know, neither here nor there. Bengals beat the
Speaker 1: Steelers on Saturday, so the Ravens clinched the division before that.
Speaker 1: The Bengals keep themselves alive on Saturday, and the Steelers
Speaker 1: lock themselves into one of their seats in the AFC
Speaker 1: Wildcard chase. I'm gonna take Buffalo over New England. I
Speaker 1: feel like Mitch Trubisky can beat them very easily. I
Speaker 1: hope the Patriots win and ruin their draft pick, but
Speaker 1: I think the Bills. The Bills will win that game.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Falcons over the Panthers. The Falcons have
Speaker 1: something to play for. They get their win there with
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix, which if they would have gone to.
Speaker 2: Him earlier, they would be division champs.
Speaker 6: But what do I know.
Speaker 2: The Commanders over the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be kind of tough coming off
Speaker 1: the emotional high last week, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: they'll do as far as playing time goes. But if
Speaker 1: they only played Daniels for like less than a half.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can change that pick.
Speaker 3: We cool with that.
Speaker 1: It's hard to pick, man, I don't know. That's not
Speaker 1: really how the rules work, but it's tough to pick
Speaker 1: these games. I'll take the Packers over the Bears. I
Speaker 1: feel like the Packers are gonna try to kind of
Speaker 1: get their mojo back after losing the Vikings game.
Speaker 2: I'll take the.
Speaker 1: Colts over the Jags. I guess both teams playing out
Speaker 1: the stream there. The Eagles over the Giants. The Giants
Speaker 1: had their one miracle, right, They're gonna they're gonna find
Speaker 1: a way to lose that last game to get themselves
Speaker 1: better draft position. This is gonna be a tough week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go eight and eight as best Bucks over Saints.
Speaker 1: Bucks win their division champions. That's one they actually they
Speaker 1: actually care for. I'll take the Raiders over the Chargers.
Speaker 1: I think that if they sit Herbert, that operation is
Speaker 1: going to be really funny to watch, because you know,
Speaker 1: as much as I dog on Herbert, he's way better
Speaker 1: than the alternative.
Speaker 2: There. The Broncos over the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I hope, so if Carson Wentz plays the whole game,
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a blowout. But I think the Broncos can
Speaker 1: find a way to win just because of no Travis Kelce,
Speaker 1: no Patrick Mahomes, no Chris Jones. They announced Trent McDuffie
Speaker 1: and George car Loftus and Isaiah Pacheco among those they
Speaker 1: will make an active But that does mean they're still
Speaker 1: gonna have Joe Tooney, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have DJ Humphries out there. They're gonna have no Agree,
Speaker 1: They're gonna Kareem Hunt, Carson Wentz. They're gonna have DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have Nick Bolton on defense. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: Derek Nandi on defense. They're gonna have like Jalen Watson's
Speaker 1: gonna be out there. They're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 1: their good players on defense. So I think they can.
Speaker 1: I think they can compete with the Broncos. Do I
Speaker 1: think they'll win the game? No, and the Dolphins season
Speaker 1: will end because of that. I took the Dolphins over
Speaker 1: the Jets. So I'm still like just dreading the idea
Speaker 1: of Tua not playing the last two games and that
Speaker 1: being the Offsciason discourse. But Miami gets their ninth win,
Speaker 1: which I really want that, even if it is snoop,
Speaker 1: and even if we do get eliminated, I want that.
Speaker 2: Win Rams over Seahawks For what reason, I don't know.
Speaker 1: In fact, I might flip that one Seahawks over Rams
Speaker 1: because I think Stafford probably doesn't playing in that game, right,
Speaker 1: they already clinched.
Speaker 2: Why would they do that.
Speaker 1: Cardinals over the Niners, I guess without brock perty and
Speaker 1: then I'm taking the Lions over the Vikings and a
Speaker 1: big one on Sunday night.
Speaker 2: So those are your picks this week. Let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and take our last break.
Speaker 1: I've stop by the Dolphins locker room to talk to
Speaker 1: some of the guys about Week eighteen and playing in
Speaker 1: these you know, basically playoff games. We'll chat with some
Speaker 1: of the guys here after this Draft Time podcast, your
Speaker 1: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by.
Speaker 2: The message this week for the Miami Dolphins is simple.
Speaker 1: Control what you can control, and what they can control
Speaker 1: is this matchup against the New York Jets from Metlive
Speaker 1: Stadium on Sunday. With their playoff hopes still intact heading
Speaker 1: into this final game with one other game of help
Speaker 1: needed for the Dolphins to punch their ticket. Of course,
Speaker 1: fans will be watching Chiefs and Broncos, but for the
Speaker 1: Dolphins players and coaches and everybody involved with the team,
Speaker 1: the perspective is simple.
Speaker 2: Keep it on the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: I went over in the locker room on Thursday this
Speaker 1: week and spoke to Dolphins players about the task at
Speaker 1: hand and what must be done to win a football
Speaker 1: game of this magnitude. Where better to start for this
Speaker 1: conversation about mindset, mentality, and approach than seventeen year veteran
Speaker 1: Dolphins defensive tackle Kaleis Campbell. All right here with the
Speaker 1: Good Guy Award winner Kalais Campbell, Dolphins defensive tackle. Just
Speaker 1: want to get your measure of the room, measure your
Speaker 1: temperament here going into a big game for Week eighteen.
Speaker 2: What's the message going to be to the.
Speaker 1: Guys when you all take the field against the Jets
Speaker 1: on Sunday?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean I got a couple of days
Speaker 3: to figure out out what the exact message would be.
Speaker 3: But whenever that comes down to it, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just about you know, uh, doing our part, you know,
Speaker 3: and making sure that we are worthy of a playoff team,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The only way to be worthy is go out there
Speaker 3: and win the ball game. So you know, uh, I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of that is the message right now,
Speaker 3: you know, of preparing as a team that's a playoff team, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and no score we're watching out someday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to do that, you know, you
Speaker 3: don't want to do that just our course.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Of course, if we get a big lead and you know,
Speaker 3: you start looking over a little bit more. But you know,
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is just do our part. After at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, we'll figure out what happens
Speaker 3: when it's when it games over at the end of
Speaker 3: the day. I mean, this is about you know, just
Speaker 3: playing a really good football game, enough to win the
Speaker 3: ball game, you know, and uh, you know, finishing the
Speaker 3: year with a bang.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously we have the hope and aspiration to you know,
Speaker 3: become a playoff team, you know, but it's not in
Speaker 3: our control but solely in our control.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But we have to do our part, you know. But
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is is just staying locked in, staying present.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: If this is all last week, you know, we go
Speaker 3: out with a bank, you know, and if we you know,
Speaker 3: you know, do our part to earn you know, an
Speaker 3: opportunity next week and the football guys busted with that.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll take advantage of it, you know. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, just stay president, stay
Speaker 3: in the moment and give everything we have.
Speaker 1: Let's stay in that room at that position group at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and here next from Dolphins defensive tackle to
Speaker 1: Sean Hand. Big game on Sunday, Man win, get a
Speaker 1: little bit of help we get in the playoffs? What's
Speaker 1: the mindset for a player going into a game like
Speaker 1: that of that magnitude.
Speaker 6: You gotta win it all costs. I mean, it's just
Speaker 6: for us. The playoffs started early, so each game is
Speaker 6: a winner go home.
Speaker 1: How much experience do you have in games like this?
Speaker 1: I know you had some time in Detroit and that
Speaker 1: was before they kind of took off and got good.
Speaker 1: So is this like one of your first games obviously
Speaker 1: last year in playoffs? But how much experience do you
Speaker 1: have these types of games?
Speaker 6: I mean, I got a little bit of experience, but
Speaker 6: I just think the mindset doesn't really matter about the
Speaker 6: experience because I go into every game, having to win
Speaker 6: and you know what I mean, focus on my keys
Speaker 6: and just ball.
Speaker 3: So I feel like that's just the same thing.
Speaker 6: That you carry over into the playoff atmosphere.
Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, it's a game.
Speaker 6: It is more magnitude, but if you don't do the
Speaker 6: little things, you'll be lost in us aus.
Speaker 2: It's the old adge, right, It's still football at the
Speaker 2: end of the day. Exactly appreciate man, thank you, my dog.
Speaker 1: We've heard from the guy that's been around for seventeen years,
Speaker 1: from a guy that's been around for a handful of years.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and go to a younger player, second
Speaker 1: year tight end Julian Hill, who talked about this game,
Speaker 1: the approach across the entire roster and especially in that
Speaker 1: tight end room. So you've been in some big games,
Speaker 1: obviously playing in the playoffs last year, but just give
Speaker 1: us the mentality of a player of your skill set,
Speaker 1: of your experience, Like what's your thought process going into
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 7: Don't make it bigger than what it is. It is
Speaker 7: another game. The only thing we can't focus on is
Speaker 7: you know what's in front of us, and that's the Jets.
Speaker 7: You know, we're not looking past it. We're not looking
Speaker 7: what happens if.
Speaker 3: We do this, n man.
Speaker 7: We just focused on doing our job, executing and after that, man,
Speaker 7: the cars, we dealt what they may.
Speaker 2: It's been the messs of a team all week. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 7: We know it's a big game. We know what's at stake,
Speaker 7: but we don't need to try to go out there
Speaker 7: and be something that we're not. You know, just go
Speaker 7: do your job and if you do a job, it'll
Speaker 7: be good enough.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 2: Thank you man, Thank you.
Speaker 1: And from the young tight end in the room to
Speaker 1: the vet of the room, John new Smith joins us
Speaker 1: here to talk about well, the same thing we're talking
Speaker 1: about all show along here all segment long playoff mentality week,
Speaker 1: Gay team mentality.
Speaker 2: What's it going to take? Here's John new Smith, right.
Speaker 5: We gotta control, we can control. Uh, we understand the
Speaker 5: urgency that we need to have going into this game.
Speaker 5: We got to give ourselves a chance, you know, and
Speaker 5: you know we we gotta, you know, just hope that
Speaker 5: things go in our favor. You know, we were preparing
Speaker 5: as if we're we're going to continue to go in
Speaker 5: there and play as you know, as if everything is
Speaker 5: on the line, which it is, you know, we don't
Speaker 5: know the unfortunately, we don't control the outcome of our future.
Speaker 5: But good things, you know, come to those who wait.
Speaker 5: So we'll be patient. We'll do what we need to do.
Speaker 5: And you know that the cause for what they may
Speaker 5: just gotta play, Just gotta play, you know what, You're
Speaker 5: gonna worry about the score for, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Obviously you know we're human. It'll be tempting, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. But we got a game to win
Speaker 5: and we need to focus on us. And that's the
Speaker 5: mentality we all have, we know, and uh, you know
Speaker 5: we uh, we just we're just we're excited for this moment.
Speaker 5: Through everything that we've been through, I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the whole NFL world can say I didn't think the
Speaker 5: Dolphins will be here, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's been a long road. It hasn't gone away
Speaker 5: that we expected it too. But we we thought we
Speaker 5: were resilient. You know, we looked you know, all of
Speaker 5: the doubt that was in our faces, you know, towards
Speaker 5: the beginning, in the middle of the season, all that
Speaker 5: versus that we face, and we took a head on
Speaker 5: and now I'm thankful that Week eight team, we're giving
Speaker 5: ourselves an opportunity.
Speaker 3: To compete in the Big Dance.
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