1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Favor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we're 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: talking about cash shows. Yes, I love cashews. I it 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: was notorious for eating all of the cashews out of 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: nut and shee mixes in my house, Like I would 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: hear people like and so on Christmas. Eventually, my parents 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: stopped getting me candy because it became clear that wasn't 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: really my thing. And I stop reading oranges because like 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: they would get me one, but I would never eat it. 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Kind of just became the family's orange. But they would 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: get just packs of cashews and almond nuts. Uh wow. Yeah. 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: I count people who pick specific things out of mixes 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: as like, like, that's that's like a that's like a 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: cardon sin in my book. You didn't know I was 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: this devious. I didn't can. We had to reevaluate our 16 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: friendship and all of our past interactions. I'm like, oh no, okay, 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: I would do that to like your mix, only my 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: family's mix. Are They screwed me out of a lot 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: of things, so I think that was fair. Yeah, No, 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: that's that's I knowing what I know about what little 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: I know about your family's interactions. I think that anything 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: that you did to punk them was probably completely fair, 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: so thank you. Yes. Also, you know there aren't that 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: many cash us in those there's not. Well, they're expensive, yes, 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: so it's not like I was getting a whole mound. 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: I wish I only find like three or four. That's 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: I do also love a cash you. They're they're they're 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: they're delicious. What can I say? They are? Yeah, and 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: I feel knowing what I know about their production, I 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: now feel a little bit bad about that. So that's cool. Yeah, 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: a little spoiler for what's to come. You know, I 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: never buy them for myself, I'll say that, um, because 33 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: they are expensive. And also, as you know, Lauren, I'm 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: not a big snacker. I don't like having too many snacks. Sure, yeah, 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: they're they're one of the like nuts are the kind 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: of snack that I do stuck because I know that 37 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: I can eat this like relatively tiny handful of things 38 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: and uh and it will keep me going for long 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: enough to like not murder anybody and eat their eyeballs. 40 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: So that's good, very powerful. I try, Yes, I try 41 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: every day to eat no eyeballs and all right, that's 42 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: what I love about you. Yeah, snack nuts help make 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it happen. Well, okay, here is a very very very 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: important question. Is it a nut? Because I've been burned before, 45 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: I've been burned? Well, um, you know, I mean, do 46 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and do the question? Do 47 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: I do? All right, let's get it overwhere? What are they? Well? 48 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Cashews are not nuts? Sorry, Oh oh my god, my 49 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: whole life has been a lie. How many nuts and 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: those nut mixes are nuts? That's what I need? I 51 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: would have to are any of them nuts? Okay? Okay, 52 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: Well this is a this is a different question for 53 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: another day. I will have to return to you on 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: that one. But in the meanwhile, cash shows they're not 55 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: technically nuts. Botanically speaking, they are the seeds of the 56 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: cashew fruit um. The botanical name there is Antacardium occident hallet. 57 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: And okay, so this this fruit that the cashew is 58 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: a seed of, grows on these tropical evergreen trees. They 59 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: generally only grow about like twenty ft six meters tall, 60 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: and their branches can droop to the ground and take 61 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: root um, and they grow these these small pretty pink 62 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: or white or red flowers and in branching clusters that, 63 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: when pollinated, will develop the cashew fruit. And this is 64 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing, um that the true botanical fruit of 65 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: the tree that that develops from each pollinated flower is 66 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: this inedible greenish brownish grayish oily little like kidney shaped thing. 67 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: And and it's a it's a droop like a peach. Okay. So, 68 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: so that terrible fruit contains this hard shell, and in 69 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: the shell grows the seed, and that seed is the 70 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: cash unit. But to sort of make up for the 71 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: thing where that actual fruit is not good for eating, um, 72 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: the tree also produces what called an accessory fruit um. So, 73 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: so part of the stem that connects the flowers to 74 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: the trees will co develop along with that bad fruit 75 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: into this juicy, sweet, yellow to red accessory fruit um, 76 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: with the actual fruit growing out of the bottom end. Yeah. 77 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: So like accessory fruit attached to the branch and then 78 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: the bad fruits attached to the bottom of that um. 79 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: And the accessory fruit is sort of apple or pear 80 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: shaped around the same size as an apple or pear, 81 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: solid straight through um. In English, they're often referred to 82 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: as the cashew apple. Of course, they go by different 83 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: names in different languages and the places where they're grown. 84 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: And these these are edible and tasty from what I understand. Um. 85 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: I've never had one, but I've read that they're sweet 86 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: and acidic, with a sort of mild citrus mango fresh 87 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of flavor profile. Um. In some places, cashew trees 88 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: are grown specifically for production of the successory fruit UM, 89 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: which can be eaten raw or cooked or made into 90 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: preserves or jam or candies. It can be juiced. The 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: juice can then be fermented into wines or liquors. Very 92 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: useful stuff. But the botanical family that cashews are in 93 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: um an A cardiaci a UM. That's the same family 94 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: as pistachios, pink peppercorns, mangoes and uh poison ivy oak 95 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: and sumac. And here's where things get unpleasant. Um. Yes, 96 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to Lauren's killjoy corner. Oh yeah. Um, So, 97 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: like those poison vines that I just mentioned, the flesh 98 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: surrounding a cashew nut, that true fruit contains just a 99 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: whole lot of what's called anacartic acid, which is seriously 100 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: irritating to humans. Um. So, like to get at that 101 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: edible nut, you have to remove this flesh and shell, 102 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: both of which are just full of super inedible chemical 103 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: irritant um. It can cause severe blistering on your skin 104 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: um like lung damage if it gets into the air 105 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: and you breathe it in, Like if you pick a 106 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: cashew apple that has the true fruit attached. It's recommended 107 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: that you use gloves to prevent all contact with the 108 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: true fruit, and home growers of cashews are advised to 109 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: not attempt to retrieve the cashew nut from the fruit. 110 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Just throw it away, eat the apple part, forget that 111 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: the nut ever happened. Um wow. So to to get 112 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: at a nut, A cashew fruit is cooked to remove 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: that that poisonous flesh and um, and also further to 114 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: to make the shell brittle enough to to easily crack. 115 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: And you can do this in a pan or a pot, 116 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: or in a roasting drum or like a hot oil bath, 117 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: and a drum or hot oil bath is convenient because 118 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: it pulls the irritants away and can like output them 119 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: as either a liquid or a gas. The more traditional 120 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: pan or pot roasting methods require you to um to 121 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: somehow manually remove that irritant filled flesh. Um. Once you 122 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: do that, though you're You're left with a nut and 123 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: shell that's pretty easily cracked, and you pull out the 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: cashew kernel, peel off this little protective skin that's around it, 125 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: and then you have a cash you nut, a little 126 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: white kidney shaped thing. I don't know about the size 127 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: of a joint of a finger. So um, sweet, tasty, delicious. 128 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: But you know, the kill joy part and all of 129 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: that is that you know this is a labor intensive 130 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: and hazardous process, and it is often done by hand, 131 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: with varying levels of safety precautions, by severely underpaid people 132 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: in developing parts of the world. All that said, conditions 133 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: are kind of beginning to improve. Um, I'm not going 134 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: to say that you should feel awful about eating cash shows, 135 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: but you might go ahead and feel a little bit bad. 136 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: But uh, all all that being said, I mean cash 137 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: you plants are pretty cool, wool like because of the 138 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: way that a cashew trees roots spread and those branches 139 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: can drop and take root. They're really useful for promoting 140 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: soil conservation and forestation. That the leaves in the bark 141 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: contain tannins that are good for tanning and for dyeing. 142 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: The apples can also be used for dye the bark 143 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: contains a gum that sometimes used as insect repellent. The 144 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: wood itself is useful for building stuff. Aside from the 145 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: part where they're kind of poisonous, they're great. Aside from that, 146 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: yeah a good yeah yeah yeah, well all right, Aside 147 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: from that, how about the nutrition? Cashews are pretty good 148 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: for you. Um. They do contain more saturated fats than 149 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: most other tree nuts, along with the unsaturated fats that 150 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: things like like almonds are latted for. Um. So, so 151 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: the traditional recommendation has been more to go for something 152 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: with more unsaturated fats, like like almonds than for something 153 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: like cash shows. Uh. More on that in a second. 154 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: The cashews are also a great source of vitamins and minerals. Um. 155 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: They've got a good punch of protein, a little bit 156 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: of carbs and dietary fiber. You know, like they will 157 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: fill you up and they will help keep you going. 158 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: They are colorically dense food. So if that's something that 159 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: you're watching out for, watch out for that. You know. 160 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: I'll always watch your portion sizes. I will say cash 161 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: you milk is lower in calories and also lower in 162 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: protein than dairy milk and most other dairy milk alternatives. So. UM. 163 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: So if you are looking, if if you you know, 164 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: compare your nutrition labels, just see figure out what you're 165 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: trying to get out of whatever it is that you're buying, 166 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: read the label. Um. Yeah. Preliminary research though, going back 167 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: to that saturated versus unsaturated fat issue, UM, research has 168 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: shown that cashows can actually help lower cholesterol levels despite 169 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: that sad tread fat that they contain, because of some 170 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: of the types of saturated fat that they contain. Um. So, 171 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: especially if you are using them to replace other um, 172 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: saturated fatty stuff in your diet, like say potato chips. 173 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: Um Yeah, they can help you lower your cholesterol levels overall. Um. 174 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: That apple is high in vitamin C, does pack a 175 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of sugar. Um. But you know, uh, it's a fruit, 176 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: that's what it does sort of. Um. And Traditionally, various 177 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: parts of the cashew plant have been used to treat 178 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: conditions from toothaches to diabetes basically everywhere that they have 179 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: been grown. Um. And we've got more on some recent 180 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: research in our history section. But but that brings us 181 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: to some cashew numbers. Yes, cashing in on the cashe 182 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: you because the cash you market was valued at seven 183 00:11:53,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: point eight billion dollars with a predicted annual growth well fifteen. Who. Yeah. Yeah. 184 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: Global production as of twenty sixteen was four point eight 185 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: nine million tons. Wow, and the cashew accounts for UM. 186 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: I think it's the third most popular tree nut in 187 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: the world, accounting for of the international tree nut trade. Wow. 188 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: According to data, Vietnam was the top producer with eight 189 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three thousand and sixty tons, followed by India, 190 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Co Duvoir and the Philippines. Data found India is responsible 191 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: for sixt of global cash exports. Yeah. So cashew processing 192 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: is complex, like even though India does not grow the most, 193 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: it does process the most and it and it grows 194 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: a lot um some seven hundred thousand metric tons as often, 195 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: but it imports even more on top of that to process. 196 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: And cashews are a major part of India's economy. Um, 197 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: it's in the top four of their agricultural exports, right 198 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: up there with up as matti, rice and spices and 199 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: tea and upwards of one point two million people. As 200 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: of I think twenty fourteen, we're working in the cashew 201 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: industry there and nine of the world's cash shows are 202 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: consumed in the US. I know, I just from a Yeah, 203 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that's a lot. It's a lot. Uh and oh I 204 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: learned about this cash you chicken, So I love. I 205 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: love a good cashew and like noodle dishes. Um, but 206 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I've never heard of this. So this is a mixture 207 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: of chunks of fried chicken smothered in a sauce made 208 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: up of oyster sauce, soy sauce, and stock that has 209 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: then topped with green onions and have cashews. And it 210 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: is served at seventy over seventy restaurants in Springfield, Missouri 211 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: as of two thousand nine. And it served in what 212 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: it's called Springfield style. Okay, see, I didn't look this up. 213 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: I've had cashew chicken before from like you know, like 214 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: Chinese American takeout places. Um. But but I've never had 215 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: it with deep fried chicken. I've only ever had it 216 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: with the sauteid chicken. So yes, um, okay. So I 217 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: found there are a couple of articles about this, or 218 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: there is the same article publish in a couple of 219 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: different places. But the article was I found in the 220 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: New York Times was written by John T. Edge, who 221 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: superproducer Dylan and I met at a Southern Food Alliance 222 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: conference and okay, so they were they were these two 223 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: cocktails you could get, and one of them came with 224 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: a temporary tattoo of his face. Um, which he didn't 225 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: have anything to do with the making up, by the way, 226 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: somebody was a joke someone else was doing. But I'm 227 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: still waiting for the right opportunity to use it. I 228 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: have it still, yeah, and I'm like, oh, I've got 229 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: to put on this random temporary tattoo of some guy 230 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: that most people won't recognize and scare my family. Yeah, 231 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: maybe like April Fools opportunity or something like that. Yeah, yeah, 232 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: oh boy, it's gonna be great. Also, the guy behind 233 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Cash You Chicken in Springfield, David Young, Um he what 234 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: did he call it? He called it like the Missouri 235 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: version of like a meat and three, Well, like the 236 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: Chinese Missouri melding of a meeting three, which I loved, 237 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: but there's fried rice instead of mashetato, as he said. Um. 238 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: So he worked at a Pincacola restaurant called Pirates Cove 239 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: that I used to frequent And there's a similarly named 240 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: restaurant in Josephine, Alabama that I absolutely adore, so I appreciate. Well, 241 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: there we go. Yea. So those are some numbers, but 242 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: we do have some history for it, oh gosh, we do. Um. 243 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: But first we've got a quick break for a word 244 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you, sponsors, Yes, 245 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: thank you. So cash u's originated in Brazil and also 246 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: perhaps Central America, the West Indies, Peru a Guiana. I 247 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: couldn't really find a date for when they originated, but 248 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm assuming they're old. Yeah, I think. I think the 249 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: date that I saw what was that the plant itself 250 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: developed some some number of millions of years ago, like 251 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: like like forty five million years ago or something. And 252 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: I the traditional answer is that they are from what 253 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: is now Brazil. Um. But but there's been some argument 254 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: in in some academic research about it about um, you know, 255 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: plants that very much resemble cashew is being depicted in 256 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: artwork from uh other areas. So it's it's hard to say. 257 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: It is hard to say. Uh. Most of the history 258 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you find starts around the sixteenth century, when Portuguese traders 259 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: transported the cash you to Mozambi week and along the 260 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: coast of India. But more for that whole soil retention 261 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: and erosion prevention thing as opposed to a food stuff thing. 262 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: Uh and yeah. In these trees they grew rapidly and wildly. 263 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: They formed forests, They hopped to nearby islands. They went 264 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: up into East Africa and Choppolal regions in South America, 265 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: Central America and the West Indies. Eventually it spread from 266 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: India to China, to the Philippines, Malaysia and South Asia 267 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: in general. Um and pretty early on, Indian confectioners started 268 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: incorporating cashews into their desserts, often to replace the more 269 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: expensive at the time almonds. Yes. In fifty eight see 270 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: Jesuit missionary A Costa wrote about cashews quote found in 271 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: the gardens at the city of Santa Cruz in the 272 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: Kingdom of Coaching. Jesuit priests in Goa used the cashew 273 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: fruit to distill a very strong and stronomly flavored drink 274 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: called fenny. At least I think that's how you pronounce 275 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: it's I looked it up, but if anyone has a 276 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: better pronunciation, you can always send it our way. Um. 277 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: A sixteenth century Italian traveler wrote about fending that it 278 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: will quote affect a man's head merely by smelling it, 279 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: to say nothing of drinking it. The cashew tree was 280 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: introduced to Vietnam in the nineteenth century, originally as a 281 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: shade tree. When World War Two shut down shipping to India, 282 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: a cash you processing industry and Mozambique was born. Because 283 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: they've been there, but they hadn't really been processed for 284 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: industrially commercially. For a while, Mozambique was the top ex 285 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: quarter in nineteen seventy two. At its peak, Mozambique was 286 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: producing two sixteen thousand tons. Much of the labor was 287 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: done by women, and to this day their studies into 288 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: the impact of the cashew industry and women's economic mobility. However, 289 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: with independence in nineteen seventy five, these high levels of 290 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: production in Mozambique could not be maintained. The value of 291 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: cash you nuts shipped to the United States in night 292 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: was fifty two million, five eight thousand dollars. Yeah. Commercial 293 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: cash you cultivation began in India in the nineteen sixties. 294 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: That same decade, cash of trees from India were introduced 295 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: to West Africa to combat desertification. Until nineteen seventy two, 296 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: the apple was the main focus in Mozambique, and that 297 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: changed when people in industry started investigating the potential economic 298 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: liability of the two million tons of extra juice answer 299 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: from cash you processing Vietnam. I'm recognized cash you as 300 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: a commercial crop in nineteen nine. Uh yeah. Through Throughout 301 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: the eighties and into the nineties, the market for cash 302 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: us became such that these small farmers across West Africa 303 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: and India and out into Southeast Asia UM started replacing 304 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: their food crops with this cash crop. And this is 305 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: a this is a really complex and tricky issue because 306 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: you know, like like it's really helping fight poverty in 307 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: these places by by giving them this this good economic 308 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: crop to participate in the growth of UM. But in 309 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: a perfect world, UM, you know, despite fighting poverty, there's 310 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: still high levels of malnutrition in these areas. So in 311 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: a perfect world, there would be a balance at any 312 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: giving farming area between producing crops for sale and producing 313 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: nutritious food for the people who live and work there. 314 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: UM or at the very least, like the money that 315 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: they get from these cash crops would enable them to 316 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: buy good food through like a stable infrastructure of markets. UM. 317 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: But we're not quite there yet. UM. The majority of 318 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: cash you farms are small and family operated, like a 319 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: few acres um, and they will sell or trade their 320 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: crops um to or through larger organizations, which generally then 321 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: sell the fruit to separate processors, which generally then sell 322 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: the nuts to separate factory packagers. So like by the 323 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: time you buy a cash you a single cash you 324 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: nut at retail um, that the premium price that you're 325 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: paying for it um is just trickling down through these layers, 326 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: and as it is so often the case with laborious 327 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: products like that, like the people doing the hardest work 328 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: are receiving the least amount of money for it um. 329 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that that a number of international 330 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 1: organizations are working on. But I would say that you know, 331 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: if you are a concerned consumer, and I certainly hope 332 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: that everyone listening to this, is that if you if 333 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: cash us are a thing that you purchase, that you 334 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: you look for labeling um uh. You know, just just 335 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: investigate the products that you buy and uh and look 336 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: for labeling with stuff like a like like fair trade 337 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: on there. Very frequently the label organic can kind of 338 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: stand in for products that were produced in a more 339 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: ethical way. But you sort of have to research um 340 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: product product in order to sess that out. And it's, uh, 341 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: it's time consuming and I and I know that it's 342 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to eke out time to to to to 343 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: do anything like that, but but it can really help 344 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: make a difference in people's lives. So yeah, absolutely. Uh. 345 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: In two thousand nine, of Finny from Goa became the 346 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: first alcoholic beverage from India to receive a Global Geographical 347 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: Indication registration, meaning the real deal can only have come 348 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: from go Up Love it. Yes. Cash use had a 349 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: viral moment in twenty nineteen when the Internet at large 350 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: freaked out about how cash yous grew and all these 351 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: like it looks like an old man yelling at children. 352 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: All yeah, yeah, I mean look entirely. I had no idea. 353 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Yeah yeah. Oh if you if you, as 354 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, I haven't seen this picture. And 355 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: there's one in particular that went really viral and you're 356 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: listening to Lauren describe it and you're like, wait, what 357 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: go look it up. It does not look like you 358 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: think you, I promise you. Yeah. It's like someone like 359 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: like pasted like a big green cash you onto the 360 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: end of an apple pear, and or it looks like 361 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: a like a weirdly misshapen bell pepper, maybe like with 362 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: a stem. And that's the cashew fruit. It's on the Yeah, 363 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: that's on the bottom. Yeah, I don't know. Nature, nature y'all, 364 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: nature y'all. Uh. Recently there has been a trend of 365 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: plant based milks and and other dairy products like cheese. 366 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: Is I know a couple of you've written in about 367 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: milk free. The terminology gets talked about in our meat 368 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: alternative milk alternative, uh, products like cheese, and yes, there's 369 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: cashe milk, and sometimes it's blended with other things like almonds. 370 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: Certainly something we'll have to return to for another episode. 371 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Nut milks and et cetera are 372 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: for sure a different product for a different day. Um. 373 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: You can get into a little bit of that in 374 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: our area. You can get into a little bit of 375 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: that in our Tofu episode. Um. But who yeah, Okay, 376 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: that was that was not you have to you have 377 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: to stop the research. You have to put it down 378 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: at some point. Um. But but speaking of actual research, 379 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: not colloquial research, the way that I was just using 380 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: the word UM actual scientific research. There's been a lot 381 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: of recently into how to use other parts of the 382 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: cashew plant UM, and particularly that nasty stuff from from 383 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: the fruit and the shells. UM. The the liquid that 384 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: you obtain is a byproduct during cashew processing. UM. It's 385 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: called a cashew nut shell liquid or CNSL in the industry, 386 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool because UM, despite being this poisonous 387 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: waste product, or in fact, because of it being this 388 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: poisonous waste product, UM, finding ways to make use of 389 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: it is super helpful to the people who grow and 390 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: process cashews and also to the environment. And it's fascinating 391 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: stuff Like there are compounds in it that researchers have 392 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: found to be good absorbers of ultra violet lights UM, 393 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: u v A and UVB, which means that these compounds 394 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: could be put to use in creating sunscreens for for 395 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: humans and livestock, or could even be incorporated into UM 396 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: like polymers and coatings that lend, you know, like non 397 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: living objects resistance to sun damage. Also that that main 398 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: caustic acid in the cashew fruit UM, anacartic acid, has 399 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: some antimicrobial properties UM and is being investigated for everything 400 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: from like acne control to prevention of tooth decay and uh, 401 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: there's some preliminary research going into how antacartic acid might 402 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: be used to help treat some conditions that involve nerve 403 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: damage um, like like specifically conditions where the myelin, that 404 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: the protective sheath that surrounds our nerves UM, where that 405 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: milin gets damaged, things like multiple sclerosis. Because it turns 406 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: out that antarcartic acid it inhibits this this one enzyme 407 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: and inhibiting that induces production of this protein that induces 408 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: the formation a milin. So yeah, it's all it's all 409 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: like in vitro and in vivo animal studies right now. 410 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: But um but maybe in the future that could that 411 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: could be super awesome. Yeah, very cool. And that's that's 412 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: about what we have to say with the cash. You 413 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: have to say, this one was a very surprising one. 414 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: I did not know that they looks that way. I 415 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: know that they were poisonous. I did not know any 416 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: of this about them. I am so glad to it's 417 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: so glad to learn it's I when I started, when 418 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: I did like my preliminary google, I was like, oh no, oh, 419 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: this has to be an episode that we record on 420 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: a Tuesday, because I need a good lead up for 421 00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: this one. I need to sit with this one for sure. 422 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Um, well we do have a little bit 423 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: more for you listeners. We do. We We've got about 424 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: some listener mail and also a couple of just like 425 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: catchup points that Annie and I not points about actual 426 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: catchup that I'm aware of, but but a couple other 427 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: discussion points um, and we will get into those as 428 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: soon as we get back from one more quick break 429 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 430 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: you sponsors, Yes, thank you, yes, so for our quick 431 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: catch up non catch up related catchup points. Um for 432 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: the first one. A lot of you have written in 433 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: about this. Soon after are Boxed Wine episode came out, 434 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: Franzia debuted a boxed wine backpack. Uh. Now I investigated 435 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: as a good food podcast do yeah. Uh. From what 436 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: I can understand, it's sort of a crafting project. Oh like, 437 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: it doesn't come in backpack form. It comes in box 438 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: form with straps and then instructions how to make the 439 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: backpack should you desire, which I'm assuming if you bomp 440 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: this you do you do? Probably yes, So innovations happening ongoing. 441 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: Also very excited for future listener mail about Australia's drinking 442 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: game called Goon of Fortune Fortune. Yes, a lot of 443 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: you have written in about it, and you've also alerted 444 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: me to what I have never foolishly never thought I 445 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: could do, which is used the bag the bladder. Do 446 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: you blow it up and make a pillow or a 447 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: foot rest? I never ever thought of that? Huh. Yes, yes, 448 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: So thanks to everybody who alerted us to this very 449 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: important updated news and breaking news. Yeah. Category of innovation 450 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: of how to do with with bag in box wine bags? Yes, 451 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: And also in the innovation world of wine, Taco Bell 452 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: in Canada has recently debuted a wine called Jalapeno Noir 453 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: and it's also available for delivery. What is it? It's 454 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: from Chalupa Estates. It's cheese, cheesy Chaloopa Estates. I believe 455 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: the estate from which this wine hypothetically comes from. Um. 456 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: And I am so madd Canada for having this product. Um. 457 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: I cannot. I just don't understand the good fortune of 458 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: your country. Yeah, I mean not only that you can 459 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: get it delivered, that's wild, Oh my gosh right. Yeah, 460 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: and it's from what we can tell no howapenos were 461 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: harmed in the making of this wine. Um, it's it's 462 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: just a it's a pino noir, so it's like a 463 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: pun halapo. This guy, I believe the tasting notes it 464 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: was cherry and beat root, strawberry, cherry and beat I 465 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: think yes. And they do recommend you have it, you 466 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: enjoy it with their cholupa because that chalupa has a 467 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: six months aged cheddar right, clearly, clearly, But I'm sure 468 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: they won't judge if you enjoy it with something else. Yeah, 469 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: if anyone has experienced the hypothetical joy that is hal 470 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: Apon noir from Taco bell Um, please right in and 471 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: let us know. Um, if you want to smuggle some 472 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: over country lines and get it to us, I'm not 473 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: going to tell you not to. Oh yeah, and if 474 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: you have any Taco Bell connects, look super producer dealon 475 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: is a big fan. Yeah, where you know, you know 476 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: where it finds you do you do like hey, like 477 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Taco Bell if you are listening, like get in touch 478 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: like u um uh. And our third catchup update uh 479 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: catch up non catch up update um is just something 480 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: that we kind of wanted to mention because Okay, so 481 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: some of you savvy listeners out there may have heard 482 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: some of the news around um, around j K. Rowling 483 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: and this strong position that she has come out with 484 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: about being kind of solidly anti trans and at the 485 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: very least very disparaging of the concept that a trans 486 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: woman is really a woman. Um and up to and 487 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: including the part like this. This made huge waves back 488 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: in June when the world was on extra on fire 489 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: and she was just ranting at people on Twitter about 490 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: how they're not women and to sit down. Um and 491 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: then uh, and then the news came out yesterday. Was 492 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: it only yesterday? The internet moved so quickly, um that 493 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: her her upcoming novel is about a serial killer who 494 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: dresses who assist dude who dresses up as a woman 495 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: in order to do his serial killing and uh and 496 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: and Annie and I have come out as being such 497 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: huge Harry Potter nerds on this show, like we did 498 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: an episode about butter beer, like we reran it and 499 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: we're excited about it, like like I mean, like we 500 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: have whole arguments about like what house each of us 501 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: are in, and and uh and so I thought it 502 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: was really important to just to just say that trans 503 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: rights are human rights, and um, trans women are women 504 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: and trans men are men, and uh and if I can, 505 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: if I can go on like a mild like this 506 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: is so not food related, but like it's it's just 507 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: like just a really basic primer of a thing that 508 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people get confused about 509 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: in terms of this issue. This is like way more 510 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you, kind of material. But um, 511 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: but so okay, like when I when I say that 512 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: trans women are women and trans men are men, by that, 513 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean that the term sex and the term gender 514 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: are two separate terms, okay, And so uh, sex are 515 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: the biological and genetic uh traits that you have when 516 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: you are born, and male and female are the two 517 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: most common sexes. There's a bunch of other combinations that 518 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: that um, that your chromosomes can wind up giving you 519 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: and there's so so you know, so it's not binary. 520 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: And then gender is the societal construct that we have. 521 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: And the two most common genders perhaps are woman and man. 522 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: But you're not born a woman, you're not born a man. 523 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: You're born male or female or etcetera. And so uh 524 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: so what you decide to identify as when you grow 525 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: up can be woman or man or anything. And it 526 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have necessarily anything to do with the sex that 527 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: you are assigned at birth. Um. So you know, uh, 528 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: and and there's there's, of course a lot of other 529 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: complicating factors. That's a very high level overview of what 530 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: the issue is. But um, you know, just uh if 531 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: if anyone else out there is kind of like low 532 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: key and mourning about um about J. K Rowling's bigotry. Um, 533 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: and you know, because maybe, like you, you have felt 534 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: like an outsider at some point in your life and 535 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: you found solace or hope in the Harry Potter stories 536 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: or Harry Potter fandom and you feel like that's kind 537 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: of ruined now. UM, I'm right there with you. UM. 538 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: But you know, especially gosh, especially if you're trans. Um, 539 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: I just want, I just want to say, like you are, 540 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: maybe not by J. K Rowling, but like you are, 541 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: you are seen, and you are valued and loved and 542 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: so brilliant and just never never forget that. Please. Yeah. 543 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better myself, Lauria. No, yeah, 544 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: Lauren's rant corner. Thank you for letting me do that, Yes, 545 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: thank you. Um. And we do have some listener mail. 546 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: We do oh do we have a do we have a? Oh? Yeah, 547 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: I've already thought of it. Okay, okay, this is a 548 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: tricky one though. All right, all right, I'm ready and 549 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: we have some ko I've reached new levels more and 550 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: I can't be stopped. Pipino noir latch something in me. 551 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh heck, well, um, you have much to fear in 552 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: the future. I quake. I quake in my podcasting boots, 553 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: which are at this point my bare feet, So megan ute. 554 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: While I have been aware of molecular astronomy for a while, 555 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it was a field introduced by 556 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: a physicist. I'm a physicist, and now I'm a little sad. 557 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: But no one told me I could study food for 558 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: my pH d. That would have been awesome. I study 559 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: black holes instead. So it's still pretty fun, but it's 560 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: not figuring out how to improve cheap whiskey. On the 561 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: bright side, physics departments do a lot of casual molecular gastronomy, 562 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: since we love liquid nitrogen LLEN two and have plenty 563 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: on hand. I frozen grapes and fun sized candy bars 564 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: and classes and made lots and lots of liquid nitrogen 565 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: ice cream. In grad school, I worked at a summer 566 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: camp where we could make individual servings of it by 567 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: portioning out the ice cream mix into small cups and 568 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: having the attendees stir as we poured the Ellen two 569 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: into the cup. While this lets everyone experience the billowing 570 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: cloud from the Ellen too hitting the ice cream based 571 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: in the bottom, it doesn't usually lead to a good 572 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: texture ice cream. If you don't stir fast enough or 573 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: pour on too much Ellen too, you get a layer 574 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: of nearly impenetrable ice cream with liquid below. If you 575 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: don't add enough ellen too, it doesn't freeze. Making a 576 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: big batch leads too much better results. Physicists, or at 577 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: least my friends, are also big fans of souve eating, 578 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: probably because we appreciate the accuracy you can get from 579 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: an immersion circulator and maybe all the tables that Kneel 580 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Lopez includes and his recipe descriptions. My husband and I 581 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: use ours at least once a week, which has the 582 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: added benefit of weekly seasoning of our cast aron skillet, 583 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: which is in fantastic shape now. It's also great for 584 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: making yogurt bacterio, which I do less often than I 585 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: mean too, but it makes me very proud of myself 586 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: when I do it. Fermenting is also very popular among physicists, 587 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: from yogurt to sour dough to beer, so much homebrewing 588 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: and beyond. In fact, I've been joking with some students 589 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: in my department that we need a physics fermenters pH instead. Yes, colub, 590 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: because so many of us have sour dough starters right now. Yes, 591 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: you should have a fermenters club. Oh, all of that 592 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: is so glorious. I you study black holes, I know, great, 593 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: I know, I love this. I would have loved to 594 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: have been a part of all those physics. The intersection 595 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: of physics and food is right up both of our alleys. 596 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: Is amazing, this really is. Oh that that makes me. 597 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: That makes me really really happy. Um oh gosh, food 598 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: brings everyone together. M hm ha. Chris wrote when Lauren 599 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: was talking about the pronunciation of Annis, it reminded me 600 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: of a hilarious story from when I was little. My 601 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: mom made Anna's cookies and my grandma loved them. She 602 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: pronounced them anus cookies. Some Christmas time, my mom got 603 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: a cookie tin and made a ton of Annas cookies 604 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: in the shape of little butts and labeled them Anus 605 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: cookies and gave them to my grandma as a gift. 606 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: My grandma was horrified when she opened them and put 607 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: two and two together. It was very funny to everyone else. Okay, 608 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: your mom sounds excellent. That is hilarious the best. Just also, 609 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: little butt cookies would be so cute. I know I 610 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: kind out to see a picture, right. Oh gosh, um 611 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: these are two. 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