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Speaker 4: Oh Mine doesn't have a lock and they would have
Speaker 4: locked Then I got locked in and I had a
Speaker 4: call and be like, yeah, guys, I'm in three oh
Speaker 4: four and I'm you locked me in?
Speaker 5: Well why are you in there? Eh?
Speaker 6: Got tired?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's the true source to economics though? Like,
Speaker 3: like micro managing budgets? What do you mean, Like, is
Speaker 3: that the true source that like as some black people
Speaker 3: like to say financial freedom, I don't really like that term,
Speaker 3: but you feel like that's the true source to financial
Speaker 3: freedom is micro managing money.
Speaker 4: It's just understanding what you have to what it takes,
Speaker 4: and what your best path is to get to that point.
Speaker 4: You have to understand what it's going to require in
Speaker 4: passive income and how your path to creating that level
Speaker 4: of passive income occurs.
Speaker 5: It can be however you want it to be.
Speaker 1: So it's more about passive income.
Speaker 4: Yeah, financial freedom is the freedom to make money with
Speaker 4: free time. So if you need if your budget is
Speaker 4: I need eight thousand dollars a month to do whatever
Speaker 4: I want, then your literacy is just understanding what it
Speaker 4: takes to have a low entropy, predictable eight thousand dollars
Speaker 4: a month stream, whether that's working a bazillion jobs and
Speaker 4: saving your money or working one and being really a
Speaker 4: student investor and getting good returns to a point where
Speaker 4: you can divest them out or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5: There's a different ways to skin a cat.
Speaker 4: You's got to know what kind of cat do you
Speaker 4: want and where do they sell those cats?
Speaker 1: Is that really something worthy of pursuing though, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's basically what most everybody does for retirement. Some people
Speaker 4: just want to start the clock earlier.
Speaker 3: M It's funny because this is such an interesting commas
Speaker 3: about how it's an interesting segue to get to the
Speaker 3: conversation how of what I wanted to talk about right,
Speaker 3: which King was asking me and I almost lost my
Speaker 3: train of thought. But so there's two type of medias
Speaker 3: that we say hip hop media, right, So again it's
Speaker 3: street urban culture. So there's people within the culture and
Speaker 3: then there's people that's outside of the culture. Now the
Speaker 3: hip hop media or street urban the artistic.
Speaker 1: Merit of it.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of it outside of the culture now,
Speaker 3: like it's a lot of people who didn't grow up
Speaker 3: in street urban culture.
Speaker 6: Are they trying to mimic the street urban culture? Are
Speaker 6: they just looking at it? No, they're just covering it. Okay,
Speaker 6: covering it.
Speaker 3: Right, But then again, it's like no different than a
Speaker 3: like a guy that never played basketball or didn't study basketball,
Speaker 3: or the closest they came was watching games, right, And
Speaker 3: I don't think there's nothing wrong with that. It's gonna
Speaker 3: sound crazy, and I think my homeboys get it confused
Speaker 3: that I think.
Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. Like I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with Steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith, Well steph Ate Smith actually played organized ball, he
Speaker 3: just didn't look like he was that good. But let's
Speaker 3: say like a DJ Flad or let's say like a
Speaker 3: like a like Adam twenty two.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with them covering I'm not
Speaker 1: one of the.
Speaker 3: Few brothers that's like, oh you know what, they're not
Speaker 3: from it like, but there are certain things that bother
Speaker 3: me about the conversation Pete. It's like true, like right now,
Speaker 3: like I saw a tweet from Academics where he was
Speaker 3: saying he like he was giving advice or what he
Speaker 3: thought should have happened with big Baby, like right now
Speaker 3: that he's like in this case, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, why do these guys and even some of
Speaker 3: my homeboys, even a d and pun like if we're
Speaker 3: in the group chat, it's like, you know, these guys
Speaker 3: get on here talking about crime. They're only hired because
Speaker 3: they're criminals or gangsters and crips. Like Adam twenty two.
Speaker 3: Can go get a journalist that went to college that
Speaker 3: has a skill set trade in journalism, right, But his
Speaker 3: platform is not about journalistic you know, like professional journalism.
Speaker 3: It's a professional platform, but it's all about three urban
Speaker 3: cultural perspectives. And I always applaud that he understands that
Speaker 3: better than people with that grew up with it as
Speaker 3: a as a as as a part of how we live.
Speaker 3: They have a different value for it. Vlad Adam act Blocko.
Speaker 3: All the people that didn't grow up and the people
Speaker 3: that grew up in it don't see the value in it, right.
Speaker 1: And I always put.
Speaker 3: A lot of pressure on my homeboys, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean about understanding what your task is. What see
Speaker 3: they don't have the burden of responsibility, and that's what
Speaker 3: people get mad at. They like, well wait a minute,
Speaker 3: you cover it. You should be responsible, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? For the people in it, that's not what
Speaker 3: they do. But the problem is when you're from it,
Speaker 3: now there's a burning and I don't know if that's fair, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know now seeing it out loud, am I
Speaker 3: being unfair putting that responsibility on them?
Speaker 5: The responsibility would be on the other people.
Speaker 4: If you're a gangster and you go on their show
Speaker 4: to be interviewed, the burnen responsibilities on you.
Speaker 1: That's what I just said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, and I think to get a
Speaker 4: perspective on anything, like let's say crime, for example, just
Speaker 4: off my own personal observational experience, you don't get a
Speaker 4: truly complete picture asking a criminal about crime.
Speaker 5: You probably need to get three people.
Speaker 4: You need to ask a criminal, a police officer, and
Speaker 4: a neutral party.
Speaker 5: What's funny to get a holistic perspective.
Speaker 3: What's funny is when we design gangster chronicles. That's how
Speaker 3: I that was my idea, Right, a criminal, a criminologist,
Speaker 3: and a person who saves crime. So that's somebody who
Speaker 3: commits crime, somebody who studies crime.
Speaker 1: Is somebody who solves crime. That was the idea.
Speaker 3: That's why Reggie, James and Alex were the three people
Speaker 3: that it'll been that perspective of crime. But don't look
Speaker 3: at it that way. So street urban culture is a
Speaker 3: little more unique than just crime. Right, it's a culture.
Speaker 5: That I.
Speaker 1: Got you.
Speaker 6: I got you.
Speaker 3: But you know how certain vegetations grow or certain insects
Speaker 3: developed when they're around volcanoes. Yeah, it can be a snail,
Speaker 3: but it's a specific type of snail because of the environment.
Speaker 3: You know it when it grows up on a volcano.
Speaker 3: Like I was looking at this really dope snail. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you right now, why are you doing I got
Speaker 3: a question, go ahead now.
Speaker 6: Is because of the way the media shows it as
Speaker 6: like you said, add on them, guys, versus the way
Speaker 6: that the culture shows it. What you mean, shows hip
Speaker 6: hop in the culture, Like you said, the people inside
Speaker 6: the culture, you know, don't know the value. But the people,
Speaker 6: you know, like you gave examples of hacking them guys,
Speaker 6: see the value of the culture even though they're not
Speaker 6: in it. Is it all the way that it's shown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's true in this space, and
Speaker 4: that's true in anything. Like if you were to take
Speaker 4: somebody from like a really poor environment, urban or rural
Speaker 4: whatever and take them to Beverly Hills, they're gonna be
Speaker 4: oh my god, I sound like a Ferrari and everybody
Speaker 4: there's like, well, well you got to get to the
Speaker 4: grocery store. You know, they wouldn't give it a second thought.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of can play both ways in that
Speaker 4: regard to if you're if you're but no something.
Speaker 3: Ironically, I don't think you get played both ways, like
Speaker 3: like for some reason, because there are more There are
Speaker 3: more Beverly Hills than there are ghettos.
Speaker 1: Weirdly, mmm, that's true.
Speaker 6: Mentally, maybe I think I think.
Speaker 4: I disagree in media space, that's probably true. I don't
Speaker 4: think that that's true by any of.
Speaker 6: The neighborhoods that feel their Beverly Hills and really not that.
Speaker 3: But that's the point of it, right, wouldn't that be
Speaker 3: the point of it. There's more suburban areas than there
Speaker 3: are Okay, I said, yeah, I agree with that. So
Speaker 3: even in the upper scale area like Beverly Hills, you know,
Speaker 3: if you go to Beverly Hills, it's not quite the movies,
Speaker 3: just like when you go to the community, it's not quite.
Speaker 3: If that was the case, people would just go shoot
Speaker 3: their videos in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: They of them do not, really, there's very few.
Speaker 6: When they get arrested.
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure they gonna get they pulled.
Speaker 4: Up in the Hollywood Hills or whatever the hell and
Speaker 4: they shoot their videos up and all that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's my point, like there would be there's
Speaker 3: really no reason for people to come specifically to the ghetto.
Speaker 1: At all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: Outside the media's presence because they produce, they produced, like
Speaker 6: the ghettos the place to go be.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's me, that's what I'm saying that,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm telling you and Pete, Like, there's really
Speaker 3: no reason for people to go to the ghettos at
Speaker 3: all if.
Speaker 1: You're not from there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, but again, it's.
Speaker 5: Like that's why I used to get pulled over when
Speaker 5: I was there.
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing here? Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, where's the drugs and hookers? I'm like, that's
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: No seilings g L my brother Peter and the house player, Pete.
Speaker 3: I got my big brother King over here getting into
Speaker 3: this crazy thought.
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Speaker 3: can fulfill the order on time fast. Yeah, I was
Speaker 3: thinking about that. But the burden of it's like you're saying, right,
Speaker 3: It's like that's the burden of it, right. I didn't
Speaker 3: blame Vlad when he sits down, when he sits down
Speaker 3: with somebody that comes from this perspective life right like
Speaker 3: this this environment, I don't blame him. If they say
Speaker 3: something that incriminates themselves, I don't blame Adam for it.
Speaker 3: I keep telling people that they understand the appeal of
Speaker 3: us better than we do. Even the people that exist
Speaker 3: in the space that do cover that type of content,
Speaker 3: they don't really appreciate the space, but they understand its value,
Speaker 3: right because they name their shows in specific correlations to
Speaker 3: said community.
Speaker 1: Right, they name it.
Speaker 3: That way, like let's say, people that's within the space
Speaker 3: that cover you know, that's like a hip hop media
Speaker 3: the community. They spell it cuz on purpose. Back on
Speaker 3: fig they big is a community thing. Back on fig
Speaker 3: to even use that title fig. White people don't call
Speaker 3: figaroa fig. I mean unless you peek. But the average
Speaker 3: person that's figure out the street big is a A
Speaker 3: is a cultural Inuindo. It's a nickname for that specific
Speaker 3: street and it means something more than where the Staple
Speaker 3: Center at the Staple Center is not on fig The
Speaker 3: Staple Center is on FIGAROA.
Speaker 1: The Hoover Criminal Gang is on fig The whole Strow
Speaker 1: is on fig but allegedly yeah, but is on FIGAROA.
Speaker 4: Well, looking at his show, you say, you know, guys
Speaker 4: go on there and they self incriminate or whatever. A
Speaker 4: lot of them were doing that anyway, that that's kind
Speaker 4: of how they got on the show.
Speaker 5: There's no shortage of people that go.
Speaker 4: On social media trying to blast off for status about
Speaker 4: what they've been doing on there. And probably to some degree,
Speaker 4: I don't go through everybody. A lot of those people
Speaker 4: gateway their exposure from their own social media platforms. People
Speaker 4: see them, they get some virality. Next thing you know,
Speaker 4: they're on a podcast and they're on another show and
Speaker 4: whatever else. So like they kind of started that on
Speaker 4: their own time, and we're selected because they were doing
Speaker 4: that and because of the provocative nature that it attracts
Speaker 4: an audience.
Speaker 3: But let's be honest, like they wouldn't have the jobs
Speaker 3: without it, oh Adam and them, No, no, not Adam,
Speaker 3: the people doing the jobs like like a brig baby
Speaker 3: or oh ad Like the reason Adam would hire an
Speaker 3: ad Or t Rail is not because he's trying to
Speaker 3: do a good favor for brothers from the streets, which
Speaker 3: that does come with it, but I'm saying it's also
Speaker 3: because he understands the street curbon, the street urban culturals thing.
Speaker 6: So basically Adam's just buying an interpreter. Oh Adam the
Speaker 6: bridge between him and the streets. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He's jail. I know.
Speaker 4: But instead of bringing on guests who star in movies
Speaker 4: and TV shows, because that's the theme of his entertainment show,
Speaker 4: his theme is street crime type of thing.
Speaker 5: So he brings on people like that, but.
Speaker 1: He keeps the same once basically on no.
Speaker 3: So, but he hires them because they provide a cultural
Speaker 3: avenue opens up the perspective. Not it doesn't open up
Speaker 3: the culture to him because he can't just still go
Speaker 3: walk down fig even though he hired he hired uh
Speaker 3: t Rail or he can't go walk down Avalon because
Speaker 3: or Central because he hired you know what you said,
Speaker 3: he could get the view of it. He understands what
Speaker 3: he's selling. Whack under Whack, I just realized something. Whack
Speaker 3: is a civilian and he's been a civilian. He been
Speaker 3: had that, he been built this multi million dollar trucking business.
Speaker 3: He ain't committing no fucking crimes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's like everybody I watched to sit down with,
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it. Forgive me, that's a lie. I'll
Speaker 3: be telling them a lie because I don't want people
Speaker 3: to ask him questions. I didn't watch it, but I
Speaker 3: saw a picture.
Speaker 1: It was it was Lore in England. It was Actvlad Whack.
Speaker 3: And somebody else, right, and it was all these people,
Speaker 3: and I realized, like, oh, none of these people really
Speaker 3: are into that thing, and they're giving you this very
Speaker 3: kind of I mean somebody who don't have the true information,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They really only have it
Speaker 3: from this limited scope. And I was thinking about the
Speaker 3: people within the culture and how they're operating about the
Speaker 3: same subject.
Speaker 1: It was really different. But then like I watched people
Speaker 1: like I watched.
Speaker 3: Act condemn him, and I'm like, well, he was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, but brick Baby probably shouldn't have been talking
Speaker 3: about what he was doing. I'm like, well, the only
Speaker 3: reason he got the job is because he is from
Speaker 3: six to Oh, the only reason Fox Extra's got the
Speaker 3: job is because he's from Folti's the only reason people
Speaker 3: get that job is because they're from the culture that's
Speaker 3: from this walk of life. And it's people saying, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what they shouldn't be talking about.
Speaker 1: They crime.
Speaker 3: I mean, I could imagine glasses low bro in two thousand,
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, when I'm selling sharm every day.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I probably wouldn't have took the job.
Speaker 3: But in two thousand and three or four, when I'm
Speaker 3: tired of selling sharm every day, somebody come and say, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a thousand and fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 3: just to give your perspective on current topics and hip hop.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I could imagine what I
Speaker 3: would be talking about. I didn't go to college for journalism,
Speaker 3: fear me, I was bre I was an underdeveloped rapper
Speaker 3: at that point, right, So it's like I would be
Speaker 3: saying the same things I would be relating it. And
Speaker 3: the funny part is about them brothers, is cause like them,
Speaker 3: niggas talk about a million things, but the things that
Speaker 3: stick are the things that people respect them as experts in.
Speaker 3: I guess the point of this part of this thought
Speaker 3: is like it's easy for us to talk shit about
Speaker 3: these people now, or people to talk shit about them,
Speaker 3: because it's like, yeah, but they only got the opportunity
Speaker 3: to change their life because of what they've been through. Now,
Speaker 3: do I think it has a value to Adam and
Speaker 3: everybody else?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 3: It's again, this is one of those things that I
Speaker 3: keep saying, people outside of is understand how valuable it is.
Speaker 1: People inside of it, don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like they just don't do they not?
Speaker 4: Or do they understand how valuable it is, but they
Speaker 4: don't understand or at least appropriately or proficiently like create
Speaker 4: a distribution mechanism to capitalize on that value. Because it's
Speaker 4: like as soon as they get the opportunity, they jump
Speaker 4: at it. They realize that they're valuable. Obviously they see
Speaker 4: other people being used for value. But as it's you know,
Speaker 4: not complicated, it's easier to get on somebody else's show
Speaker 4: than to maybe possibly create your own show out of
Speaker 4: whole cloth.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not easier, right, It's harder to create
Speaker 3: your own show, right, But it's not that right. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so the thing that fuels street urban lifestyle is to
Speaker 3: be recognized. Remember, Like I know, like you believe in
Speaker 3: racism to somebody oppression, but I'm saying it's way worse
Speaker 3: than you could think. This poverty is way worse than
Speaker 3: you can think because it makes you feel ignored or invisible,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like nobody knows you exist.
Speaker 3: So coming from that type of cloth, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And it's natural in humans, but it's like ten times worse.
Speaker 3: And people that come from like where I come from, Right,
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 1: That's like.
Speaker 4: A lot of those cultural underpinnings and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: That's like that that's my whole that's my whole thing.
Speaker 4: Like that's my entire.
Speaker 5: Thing. That's my whole thematic deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, yeah, And I'm not taking away from it.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, so it's all about being recognized. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like that's how it works, even at the street level
Speaker 3: before the Internet. Right, It's like you wrote your name
Speaker 3: on the wall illegally, people can figure out who you were,
Speaker 3: like you know, glasses logo on the wall, Like that's illegal,
Speaker 3: and the police know that you wrote that because it's
Speaker 3: your name on the wall. Not only that, right, Pete,
Speaker 3: you probably crossed something out in there. Yeah, but now
Speaker 3: like a person that you then disrespect it on that wall,
Speaker 3: they know they are aware of your existence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's like being recognized for free, being recognized
Speaker 4: for illicit profit, and then being recognized for legitimate profit.
Speaker 4: You know, So to transition A to B to C.
Speaker 4: You know, might be easier to just go from A
Speaker 4: to to be to somebody else's C then to go
Speaker 4: from A to B to your own organically created entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: See, you know, I mean, if I think, but that's
Speaker 1: the point.
Speaker 3: I think if they had I think, if most people
Speaker 3: had the intellect to do it, they probably be doing
Speaker 3: something different. They probably wouldn't be doing that. Like I'm
Speaker 3: watching H. H. Young and from a trade do it
Speaker 3: right now, you know, building his own platform. You know,
Speaker 3: he did get some interviews, but he's building his own platform.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's it's a different journey, which
Speaker 3: again it all goes into the same thing.
Speaker 1: You go from again, the same thing.
Speaker 3: That fuel street life, fuels this right to to It's
Speaker 3: all the same thing. You're tired of being invisible, You're
Speaker 3: tired of being You want to matter, you want your
Speaker 3: name you want your legacy, You want things to mean
Speaker 3: something to people.
Speaker 1: You want the world to know you exist.
Speaker 3: Right, So if you look at street life, right King,
Speaker 3: no matter if it's Yo gen to my gen or
Speaker 3: any other gen, that's the vining point and that's that's
Speaker 3: what makes it, that's what makes it revolved to be recognized.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So it's no different than going up to a platform
Speaker 3: where people want to talk to you about this life
Speaker 3: that you live. It seems like, you know, hey, people
Speaker 3: noticing me, and then you realize, you know, like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: I don't have to do crimes anymore. Like they will
Speaker 3: pay me just to be me. That's like hella empowering,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like that's hella empowering. And
Speaker 3: it's not like rap. Like rap I had to develop
Speaker 3: a talent, somebody had to be talented enough to make
Speaker 3: the music. Somebody got to be talented enough to market it.
Speaker 3: It's a thousand things could if they ask you this question,
Speaker 3: is the wrong people getting that power?
Speaker 1: What do you mean the wrong people getting which like.
Speaker 6: The people that's getting on these platforms, are they helping society?
Speaker 6: Are they getting people locked up? Are they telling on people?
Speaker 6: What is it helping the culture.
Speaker 3: Nobody listen, even in this particular case, it's happening. There's
Speaker 3: a real person telling it has like everybody keep thinking
Speaker 3: this to you know, I guess because they mentioned it
Speaker 3: inside that indictment paper that oh this is because they
Speaker 3: locked themselves locked up. No, they have somebody actually telling
Speaker 3: them police on the crimes. And then now that the
Speaker 3: things are made for the general public and maybe to
Speaker 3: swaye certain people within the system like oh yeah, see
Speaker 3: they even admitted.
Speaker 6: It in the podcast shows and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's after again, like they can't just come
Speaker 3: arrest you because you satting on the podcast and said
Speaker 3: you did something. They would have to actually go to
Speaker 3: prove it because you got to get warrants and a
Speaker 3: thousand other things. You can't just say, hey, they sitting
Speaker 3: on the podcast. So again, it's one of those things
Speaker 3: to make it to some degree taint the jury pool mhm,
Speaker 3: to some degree, taint the jury pool to some degree,
Speaker 3: like make you know, to make people look like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know again, it's it's that make it look like
Speaker 3: it's glorified, like they don't care. Yeah, like that you
Speaker 3: kind of yeah, like they don't really care. That's why
Speaker 3: they're bragging about it. And again, because these platforms are
Speaker 3: rooted in street urban cultural experiences and perspectives, everybody is
Speaker 3: vying and trying to validate who they are when it
Speaker 3: comes culturally, and that's where it looks like, oh, they're
Speaker 3: bragging about a crime. Like even that conversation that one
Speaker 3: of the guys had, he was saying, this is why
Speaker 3: him and he felt like this person was betraying him,
Speaker 3: and this is why because this thing happened, and this
Speaker 3: thing happened, and I had to do this and I
Speaker 3: had to give this.
Speaker 1: Feel me.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I get the complex journey from the streets,
Speaker 3: out of the streets into a place to where you're
Speaker 3: not having to commit crime to take care of yourself
Speaker 3: or make a living. So, you know, I think it's
Speaker 3: easy for a lot of people who never did any
Speaker 3: crime in their life to sit back and go like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what you see they just telling on their
Speaker 3: showf That's how it's like, Bro, it's way more complex
Speaker 3: than that.
Speaker 1: Swag.
Speaker 3: More complex. And I'm with Pete in a sense that
Speaker 3: you know, I don't blame them. A lot of people
Speaker 3: do blame them. I think they have responsibilities. Not really,
Speaker 3: then people are not from this. Their whole goal is
Speaker 3: to monetize.
Speaker 6: Oh you talk about like adding them guys providing the platform.
Speaker 1: I mean they have a platform. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And consider like how slow motion like real time actually is.
Speaker 5: So you have.
Speaker 4: A piggybank that calls you and says, hey, I've seen
Speaker 4: you or heard about you based off of et cetera.
Speaker 4: Stuff that you probably don't want out in the public,
Speaker 4: at least not in this regard. Come on to my show.
Speaker 4: I want to hear about your story. You're already showing
Speaker 4: up on the premise that it's like, not say glorified,
Speaker 4: but like you're you're showing up to receive a congratulations
Speaker 4: effectively and rudimentary speaking for what you did exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 4: You asked a question, so you're here to tell this story.
Speaker 4: Then you get asked a follow up question, and a
Speaker 4: follow up question and a follow up question. And the
Speaker 4: more you talk, the better you feel, and the more
Speaker 4: they ask you, the more probing it it becomes. The
Speaker 4: more stuff gets exposed over and over again, and there's
Speaker 4: no consequences. It's not like something happens to you that
Speaker 4: day or that hour. No, you might be on there
Speaker 4: for six seven episodes over the course of a month
Speaker 4: and a half, and you mentioned two or three stories
Speaker 4: that were implicated in five hours of talking and.
Speaker 5: It's out there now.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but my question was earlier, Like I said earlier,
Speaker 6: is it that these platforms allowing you know, part of
Speaker 6: the culture to come up and speak, But it's that
Speaker 6: culture speaking in a way that's gonna profit the rest
Speaker 6: in the culture.
Speaker 3: So everybody's not going up there. So a lot of
Speaker 3: people culturally are just where they're from. It's not about
Speaker 3: it is it's gonna make everybody in my community benefit. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's not the thought. The thought is they're finally being heard.
Speaker 6: So it's just more selfish than humanity.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I would use the word
Speaker 3: selfish as much as self empowering, because it's not like
Speaker 3: they don't go up there thinking it's gonna hurt everybody,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. They don't go up there
Speaker 3: thinking like yo, if I express this perspective, it's gonna
Speaker 3: hurt everybody. So you know that would be selfish, Like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't care what happened to them. It's more or
Speaker 3: less like like Peter's saying, there's a there's a therapy
Speaker 3: element to this that's not being spoke about, whereas like, right,
Speaker 3: somebody finally hears me, somebody who has all of the
Speaker 3: the millions of years because that's what they feel like, right,
Speaker 3: and they care about what's going on with me, or
Speaker 3: in some of these niggas cases, they've been hired to
Speaker 3: give their cultural perspective, and again they're not prepared for
Speaker 3: it from a journalistic standpoint. They don't really have a
Speaker 3: journalistic idea of how to go about a journalistic idea
Speaker 3: on how to go about a tackling a subject. They
Speaker 3: just have this cultural perspective, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's like I was just thinking about that and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what to do to get people inside of the culture,
Speaker 3: people that grew up with this, to really truly get
Speaker 3: the value. The way that I see it, I see
Speaker 3: it the same way Adam act.
Speaker 1: Where any of the other guys see it. I see
Speaker 1: it like that.
Speaker 3: And it's funny, Even before I understood it the way
Speaker 3: I do now, I always valued it that way. I
Speaker 3: carry myself, like, bitch, I suvived some shit to get here.
Speaker 3: Like I tell people all the time, like, don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, it's people flying in airplanes over me when
Speaker 3: it comes to career wise and hip hop. They got
Speaker 3: airplanes right, but guess what, they probably started on a
Speaker 3: speed boat right, going up ain't a thing. I'm from
Speaker 3: the trench. I'm from the Marianna trenches for real. The
Speaker 3: pressure is different going where I started at the pressure
Speaker 3: of water just sheer on my head, Like, it's more
Speaker 3: people that have been seven miles up then there have
Speaker 3: been people seven miles down. So there's very few things
Speaker 3: that come from seven miles down. So even if I'm
Speaker 3: right now on top of the water in a rowboat,
Speaker 3: if I'm in a rowboat, I have made more progress
Speaker 3: than somebody that came from a speedboat to an airplane.
Speaker 1: They're the same motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Just off sheer pressure that I had to deal with
Speaker 3: coming from where I came from.
Speaker 1: So I've always valued it that way.
Speaker 3: I'm also somebody that don't do no drugs, don't drink nothing.
Speaker 3: So I realized what I was surviving. I realized what
Speaker 3: I survived. Everybody else don't realize what we survived. They
Speaker 3: they'll know it when they're argument, but they don't realize
Speaker 3: it as this beneficial experience thing. And that's a unique
Speaker 3: place to be because again, like I said, people outside
Speaker 3: that didn't grow up in this, they grew up, they
Speaker 3: understand it. Act got on purely off of the war
Speaker 3: in Schiraq. It was the only platform bringing you that initially.
Speaker 3: So again that street urban culture that he brought that
Speaker 3: to you, that created his following at this level. He
Speaker 3: might do have some skills and talent.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's background in journalism, but I'll tell
Speaker 3: you one thing that was important. But that type of
Speaker 3: power because you have access to that, just being a
Speaker 3: brother is Hella rewarding. And it worked out for him.
Speaker 3: I'm watching Flocko build his thing right now off of
Speaker 3: LA Like here's a perfect example. Blocko and Ad covered
Speaker 3: the exact same thing, right he covered the trial eighty
Speaker 3: took his time, sat down and read all one hundred
Speaker 3: and seven of that indictment like Floco. Ad is going
Speaker 3: to be treated completely different when he starts to break
Speaker 3: down that document than Flaco because a D carries the
Speaker 3: burden of culture. This is why I always say hip
Speaker 3: hop is the burden or the responsibility of culture, because
Speaker 3: Flocko doesn't have that. He can be wrong, he can
Speaker 3: journalistic and reported it. That won't even matter. Nobody gonna
Speaker 3: call his phone or very few people. If a d
Speaker 3: does it, it's different. He is burden and balled down
Speaker 3: and it looks crazy when he does it because he's
Speaker 3: of said culture, because he's of said culture. Same for pun,
Speaker 3: same for t Reil, same for you know, Schmack or
Speaker 3: any home.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. So that's the trick with being
Speaker 1: with like.
Speaker 3: That's how I carry hip hop, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: That's how I carry hip hop. I carry it like
Speaker 3: you know what, this ship might not really you know,
Speaker 3: this ship might not like like, I'm not finna just
Speaker 3: give this to everybody. I'm not just gonna give this
Speaker 3: to everybody. Everybody just can't get this. Everybody. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stamp everybody with this. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: get I thought it was valuable.
Speaker 6: So when you go on shows and talk, you don't
Speaker 6: give everybody your full perspective of hip hop or you Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I've said something that was incriminating before
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But again, you know that
Speaker 3: just comes along with the experience, You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: My perspective is gonna be unique. Hell, how I think
Speaker 3: about crime is unique than the average person. So even
Speaker 3: something that may be self incriminating to mainstream society, to
Speaker 3: me could be culturally righteous. And I'm okay with it.
Speaker 6: Hey, Pete, thinking about what you said got me on
Speaker 6: to asked this question. So a lot of these shows
Speaker 6: that these platforms present for the culture or parts of
Speaker 6: the culture always end up with crime related stories.
Speaker 4: I don't know, al it seems like there's a disproportioned
Speaker 4: amount of that. And okay, there's always an interest, Like
Speaker 4: there's a huge like sub genre, you know how you
Speaker 4: see with the biker gangs, there's that says one percenter, right,
Speaker 4: mm hm, that's kind of like.
Speaker 5: Broadly applicable to society at large.
Speaker 4: Ninety nine percent of people follow the rules, one percent
Speaker 4: don't give a fucking don't and the ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: are fascinated by the mentality of the one percent who
Speaker 4: got it in them to say fuck it.
Speaker 5: And and that's why biker.
Speaker 4: TV shows got popular, Mafia movies were popular, game bang,
Speaker 4: drug trafficking. Anybody who says the rules, I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: what I want to do, consequences be damned.
Speaker 5: Most people aren't wired that way, so they're fascinated by that.
Speaker 5: So it's almost like you hear the expression.
Speaker 4: Sex cells, you show enough ass cheeks, people are gonna look.
Speaker 4: If you talk enough about that one percent, there's enough
Speaker 4: people in the ninety nine percent who are gonna be
Speaker 4: interested in it's because of something, but they can't either
Speaker 4: realize in real life or they fantasize whatever it might be. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sex sales and crime cells because it's against the rules,
Speaker 4: and hip hop whole premise is being against the rules.
Speaker 3: Now they not necessarily all against crime, but the rules
Speaker 3: are different. Always say, one of my favorite expressions is
Speaker 3: that I realized was the first hip hop lessons most
Speaker 3: people get is when you go to school, when you're
Speaker 3: a kid, the first time somebody hit you, you feel me,
Speaker 3: and you go tell your parents if they tell you
Speaker 3: to hit they ass back.
Speaker 1: Your ass is hip hop. You grew up in street
Speaker 1: urban coature.
Speaker 3: Now, however you decide to express artistically, you grew up
Speaker 3: in the culture because your parents are immediately telling you
Speaker 3: to break the rules.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't want to use the term responsible, but parents
Speaker 3: who believe in the system of America will say, hey,
Speaker 3: go tell the principal or tell the teacher. People that
Speaker 3: grew up how we grew up, right, break the rules.
Speaker 3: Kick his ass, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
Speaker 3: I just noticed that, and I want that, like a
Speaker 3: lot of these people wouldn't be on these situations if
Speaker 3: they didn't have this that one percent, that one percent
Speaker 3: or lifestyle.
Speaker 1: To offer as a as a as a.
Speaker 6: Perspective, sure is an authentic perspective to offer from their
Speaker 6: own personal experience.
Speaker 1: Depends on the person. I think that's the goal.
Speaker 3: But they also, like people don't understand the US part
Speaker 3: of it all, the US part of it all. There's
Speaker 3: an US in culture that's not being spoken about. And
Speaker 3: you know, again having access like right now, even in
Speaker 3: this particular uh, in this particular loss, in this particular indictment,
Speaker 3: people think it's about the gang and it's not. But
Speaker 3: the media, in the in the federal government is smart
Speaker 3: enough to get the public on their side by saying, hey,
Speaker 3: we got the leader of this gang. So people immediately
Speaker 3: are mislabeling it. Oh, this is a rico of the
Speaker 3: Rolling Sixties. That's not what's happening. This is of this
Speaker 3: particular man's organization. People on that, on that, on that picture,
Speaker 3: that that that that were picked up in charge. All
Speaker 3: of them people ain't from No. Six to Oh they're
Speaker 3: not from no gang. Everybody not from everybody not from
Speaker 3: that gang. But again, the media and the federal government
Speaker 3: is smart enough to draw the interest, like Peters saying,
Speaker 3: of the general person. So it's like, hey, we got
Speaker 3: the big bad leader of the Rolling Sixties.
Speaker 1: You know, versus from the community that grew up in
Speaker 1: the community. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Whatever, you think, he's from whatever gang. But he's been
Speaker 3: helping people, you know, since he came home. He made
Speaker 3: it his decision to help kids and to do the
Speaker 3: best he can and make away. I mean, if they
Speaker 3: explain the story for what it really is, you know,
Speaker 3: people can really say they'll be more attentive. That makes sense,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You can't do anything. But
Speaker 3: if you look like you're taking down, you know, the
Speaker 3: notorious leader of a huge popular crip gang, guess what
Speaker 3: you have The media like, oh okay, so now you
Speaker 3: just have a bunch of people swam public opinion of Like,
Speaker 3: you know, no matter how we say, it's going to
Speaker 3: take the jury pool, you have a bunch of people
Speaker 3: swam public opinion on what's happening already. And that's why
Speaker 3: I feel like people that grew up in the culture,
Speaker 3: their job is to keep the ninety nine percent together, like, hey, look,
Speaker 3: we're not that different, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to the media side of it.
Speaker 3: And that's why I feel like the burden falls on
Speaker 3: that perspective from people within the culture.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not fair.
Speaker 3: Like I always say, being black I said this the
Speaker 3: other day, being black is not about me just waking up.
Speaker 3: Being black is my my care and my and my
Speaker 3: my concern for other black people. That's what being black
Speaker 3: is like. Being a human is not just existing. Being
Speaker 3: humane is to care about other humans, right, So being
Speaker 3: black is the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's an interest into other black people.
Speaker 6: I never really thought about just being black, like I'm black.
Speaker 5: I never thought either.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like I'm just being black, Like what's being black?
Speaker 6: I'm black? Like, I never thought about that, you know,
Speaker 6: I thought about you know, the situations on men, but
Speaker 6: not just being black. I can't think of any time
Speaker 6: I thought about being some other color except like skinny.
Speaker 6: I never thought wanted to be white. I just wanted
Speaker 6: to be light more like my cousins, like skinny, because
Speaker 6: that sho be revered, you know, like, but never white
Speaker 6: or never any other color, just like wow, I be
Speaker 6: the color of my cousins.
Speaker 3: But again, if if being black was as simple as
Speaker 3: skin it just it wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 1: That's say.
Speaker 6: So I never thought about being black. It was just
Speaker 6: is what it is.
Speaker 3: So now that's why I said when I express it
Speaker 3: to be truly of culture, to truly be of people, right,
Speaker 3: And the verb of being of people is to care
Speaker 3: about people, so that space right. That like again humane,
Speaker 3: the verb of being a human humane is to care
Speaker 3: about other humans. So I don't know, man, I just
Speaker 3: like I said, it's a tough task for people on
Speaker 3: that media side, you feel me that come from street
Speaker 3: urban culture, because they are burden with the responsibility of
Speaker 3: hopefully understanding that they need to convince the other ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent of people, Hey, it's not as different as
Speaker 3: you think, Like it's already really different. It's already really different,
Speaker 3: Like Peter is saying, like it's already the way we
Speaker 3: see crime and rules are completely different.
Speaker 1: The nerve of these people to be breaking.
Speaker 6: The rules, Hey, Pete, some of them stories I'll be
Speaker 6: hearing about crime and crime stories, I be one to
Speaker 6: challenge them as being true. Some I think be fluff
Speaker 6: just for the stories.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that that happens.
Speaker 6: Like they heard somebody else tell a story, now it's them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean from my perspective, I see that a lot.
Speaker 6: When I be hearing story, I'd be like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: that definitely didn't happen like that in the system. I've
Speaker 6: been there. So that's why I said, given the true
Speaker 6: authentic perspective of what they've been through versus something they
Speaker 6: heard or made up just so they could be recognized.
Speaker 1: But even in artistic merit, it's made to be storytelling rated.
Speaker 3: I remember one day I met somebody and they was like, glasses, man,
Speaker 3: you if you sold drugs, why you don't dress like
Speaker 3: Rick Ross, like the rapper. In their mind, that's how
Speaker 3: drug dealers dressed. Because the depth of their understanding Nino
Speaker 3: Brown or the rapper rose right. It's like so they like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's how drug dealers dress or it's like if you
Speaker 3: look at New York and you be like glass, you
Speaker 3: don't wear a lot of jury. Well, the old d
Speaker 3: boys that I knew my whole life didn't wear a
Speaker 3: lot of jeury. But I guess if you see a
Speaker 3: movie on the Boy Nikki Barnes and certain people, that's
Speaker 3: what you believe. So again, I always I'm always reminded
Speaker 3: I'm teaching ignorant people, even people that saw films. I'm
Speaker 3: teaching ignorant people about something that they don't truly know about.
Speaker 3: The worst part and the hardest part is when people
Speaker 3: talk to you like they have a fucking idea of
Speaker 3: what they're talking about. That's irritating. Like people think you
Speaker 3: can't wear a color, and I'm like, bro, that's not true.
Speaker 3: Like how you're wearing that color, where you're wearing that
Speaker 3: color is a million It's more important than just the
Speaker 3: color itself. So you know, not just not just the
Speaker 3: true cultural but even the artistic expression is the same way.
Speaker 3: There is a there is a dab of too much
Speaker 3: sauce on it, you know what I'm saying. But it's
Speaker 3: also been so long since people have been exposed to it,
Speaker 3: so people have to kind of make it a little
Speaker 3: more sparkly than it probably should be.
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, so you're is this part of why because Inglewood,
Speaker 4: you know, is largely a blood city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part.
Speaker 4: Does this explain how all those ram fans at home
Speaker 4: games make it out alive?
Speaker 3: That's good, good question, Pete. That's the police and people
Speaker 3: be getting ribbed like fucking crazy. If the police was
Speaker 3: over there, police wasn't over there, and.
Speaker 1: People still poor man.
Speaker 3: And people and poor, not just and broke, but like broken,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, spirit.
Speaker 1: Like ignored, you know, ignored, you know, uh, deprived, despair,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like that's what pushes hip hop right, push his culture.
Speaker 3: I mean historically, I mean, why would a rich motherfucker
Speaker 3: make spaghetti?
Speaker 1: Is beyond me. I mean, the more money I made,
Speaker 1: the less starts I need.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's very few.
Speaker 6: That's when you say that because I was telling, you know, somebody,
Speaker 6: when I was a kid and poor was just about us,
Speaker 6: no matter what we had, you try to make it
Speaker 6: clean or you trying to iron it up so that
Speaker 6: people can see how clean you was. Even though you
Speaker 6: was the poorest dude there, you still try to look
Speaker 6: like you have money by taking what you had and
Speaker 6: trying to make it look clean. Your shoes all signed
Speaker 6: up even though they was your only pair of shote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so you want to look new because
Speaker 4: if you had money, you bought it yesterday.
Speaker 1: But in their mind, yeah and then fresh, that just
Speaker 1: wasn't how it is. Again.
Speaker 3: Remember, remember the ghetto is as ignorant to upper upper
Speaker 3: upper suburban and wealthy lifestyle. They don't.
Speaker 1: They're just as ignorant.
Speaker 3: So when people soon as somebody that never had nothing
Speaker 3: or never had no real money, get some money, they
Speaker 3: start emulating their idea of what having money is and
Speaker 3: go broke.
Speaker 7: Because funny, I talk about that with the buddy of mine,
Speaker 7: how he was complaining Jamaic Andre from all Show back
Speaker 7: in the heat.
Speaker 5: You know, get some.
Speaker 4: He you know, spare the language choices he uses, but
Speaker 4: you'll you'll get like an educated black professional who you know,
Speaker 4: whatever age, but they're maybe it's their first generation or
Speaker 4: whatever of having a lot of money, and they're a
Speaker 4: total asshole to him. And he hates being talked down
Speaker 4: to him, treated, you know like that by something, and
Speaker 4: ran am asshole And I'm like, I get the impression
Speaker 4: that a lot of people think that everybody with a
Speaker 4: bunch of money is some snobby, arrogant, piece of shit asshole.
Speaker 4: And then they get some money and they think, well,
Speaker 4: I have much of money, this is how I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to act, And ninety nine people out of one hundred
Speaker 4: don't act like that, and they think, what a piece
Speaker 4: of shit asshole that guy.
Speaker 3: Is over there and is really an underrated thing. So
Speaker 3: again that's my point. It's a a lot of people,
Speaker 3: even some of the people in this particular case, didn't
Speaker 3: grow up in this particular lifestyle that they represent it.
Speaker 3: I mean, so they are giving their best rendition of
Speaker 3: what they think it is as well, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like people don't know, so they're giving their
Speaker 3: best rendition of what it's like to be from a
Speaker 3: game like I watch, a lot of people really monetize
Speaker 3: the street urban culture lifestyle and the way they're doing
Speaker 3: it that's not really authentically how it's done.
Speaker 6: That's what I was saying with the platforms with people
Speaker 6: was doing on these platforms. To me, it's not authentic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again you're not showing it to people that
Speaker 3: come from the lifestyle. You're showing it to that like
Speaker 3: Pize saying that ninety nine percent of people And this
Speaker 3: is a lot of it, Like I said, even with
Speaker 3: a rose is a lot of it. Is very much
Speaker 3: people's expectation or people's idea. Like I used to listen
Speaker 3: to people tell me who was flying private jets and
Speaker 3: doing what and I'm like that ain't true about that person. No, gee,
Speaker 3: I'm like, this person got this much money. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that don't mean what you think it mean. They don't know.
Speaker 1: So it's two.
Speaker 3: Completely different worlds of people emulating or trying to assume
Speaker 3: this is what people think it means.
Speaker 4: I talk to somebody who legitimately and this person should
Speaker 4: have known better. They were an adult celebrity who honestly thought. No,
Speaker 4: it wasn't Malcolm, just to be clear, but like it
Speaker 4: was not that that. Remember there was a skit on
Speaker 4: an old Rick Ross album where it sounded like a
Speaker 4: bank of audio.
Speaker 5: Calling or he had twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Ninety three million dollars in the Bank of American bank account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well.
Speaker 4: I know that's horseshit, because nobody with a bunch of
Speaker 4: money whatever just keep it idly sitting in the checking
Speaker 4: account because you're just putting your money in a fucking coffin.
Speaker 5: So I know that's horseshit. You know that's a real recording.
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's not a fucking real recording.
Speaker 3: That's how it feels all the time people when you're
Speaker 3: trying to tell I said that particular thing on the
Speaker 3: breakfast club and people was mad at me, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking shit, I'm it's so it's a it's
Speaker 3: a weird combination of authenticity and entertainment because it can't
Speaker 3: just be authentic. Authentic to people is way too grounding,
Speaker 3: its way depressing.
Speaker 6: Not depressing, but just too much like your life got
Speaker 6: fun from the outside. It's probably more fun looking at
Speaker 6: it from the outside than it is.
Speaker 3: I mean you a lot of times you want to
Speaker 3: look at people different because it makes you reflect on
Speaker 3: what you could have did with your life. So you
Speaker 3: want to believe that these things are. What's weirdly is
Speaker 3: people don't want to pull these things closer. Like when
Speaker 3: I realized Michael Jackson was just more of a well
Speaker 3: studied student than just some kind of phenomenal talented person,
Speaker 3: like he was a well trained student. I mean, and
Speaker 3: he has some gifts, but he was well trained when
Speaker 3: I started realizing, you know, Billy Jean is just a
Speaker 3: rendition of I can't go for that, or you know,
Speaker 3: or beat it is Ma Sharona production wise, or you know,
Speaker 3: or the way he dances, you know, the most popular
Speaker 3: way Michael Jackson move is inspired by the choreograph.
Speaker 1: The choreograph, the choreographer Bob Fosse.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, from the Little Prince from
Speaker 3: the films Little Prince that came out in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 3: It's a snake scene and the way he's moving, that's
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson, you know what I mean. Like to me,
Speaker 3: that's empowering, right because it's like, oh damn greatness. I'm
Speaker 3: connected to greatness. All I have to do is study
Speaker 3: and figure it out and I can achieve great things
Speaker 3: right with my gifts. In studying other people, it's devastating
Speaker 3: because they thought of this person as a completely better
Speaker 3: person than them, like God made them completely better.
Speaker 1: Better, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They're just a better breed of human being versus something
Speaker 3: human being that somebody trained the.
Speaker 1: Shit out of, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's it's tricky, man, It's tricky, like one DMC.
Speaker 1: Say, cicky.
Speaker 6: So hard work pays off in some type of way.
Speaker 1: I mean, it always does.
Speaker 3: If you take one brick a day and you just
Speaker 3: stack it on top, you know, you know the bare
Speaker 3: minimum about masonry, and you put semen on one brick.
Speaker 3: If you lay a brick a day and you building
Speaker 3: a wall, eventually the wall gonna be built.
Speaker 1: You just gotta know how to build a wall. You
Speaker 1: gotta look up.
Speaker 3: How So again, it's like you have a bunch of
Speaker 3: poor people trying to change their fortune, right, and this
Speaker 3: is all they have to offer until they have more
Speaker 3: to offer, you know what I'm saying, Like until they
Speaker 3: have more to offer. But again, if you only see
Speaker 3: if that was the case, a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: could go sit down with people that don't represent this.
Speaker 3: I don't think they really want to build their business.
Speaker 3: People outside out of the culture want to build their
Speaker 3: business and nothing else. They like Pete saying, people love
Speaker 3: that guy that's against the rules. They know that they
Speaker 3: could sell that. I got a question for you, so
Speaker 3: leads into this.
Speaker 6: So with the culture, you know, like we say, the
Speaker 6: culture is usually with disadvantaged people and things like that.
Speaker 6: But I know, growing up, we always have parents that say,
Speaker 6: I want to do my life better, so your life
Speaker 6: would be better than mine. You know, how does that
Speaker 6: save the culture of despair? If families is getting better,
Speaker 6: then your children have better lives than they had, but
Speaker 6: the culture still be there because the despair would be disappearing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's happening every day. Okay, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I think that's happening every day.
Speaker 6: But does that where you see it going mainstream now?
Speaker 6: Where we see it start to open up to everything
Speaker 6: now because the out there and stuff is going away
Speaker 6: or what.
Speaker 3: Pete said something that's a popular expression. Necessity is the
Speaker 3: mother of invention. Lingo is is the same right, being
Speaker 3: able to communicate. That's what slang is birthed out of
Speaker 3: not having proper English classes. It's not somebody in the
Speaker 3: suburban neighborhood just figuring out dope slang words. That's not
Speaker 3: the culture of it. Low riders are the best. Lowriders
Speaker 3: are the cheapest version of a car you don't like.
Speaker 3: The worst lowrider to have is a supersport. You know,
Speaker 3: the bucket seeds that got the big the four h
Speaker 3: nine motor and all. That's not cool, that's not flavor.
Speaker 3: Like you wouldn't get a pair of Gucci pans and
Speaker 3: put a crease in cuffing them. That would be fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 6: You said something to me the other day when I
Speaker 6: was making a joke, you know, about the neighborhood of
Speaker 6: the sixties and the perception sure you know, and I
Speaker 6: was like, they rich, you know they written. You was like, no, dude, stop,
Speaker 6: you know they're not like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's respect.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's say you give perspect like the sixties is
Speaker 6: rich kids, so that gives people farest well rich kids
Speaker 6: as gag members. But no, He's like, no, it's not
Speaker 6: that kind of Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 6: to the world, it looked like the sixties. And I
Speaker 6: thought that too, Like, you know, but when you told
Speaker 6: the perspective. But that's where I get that from, Like,
Speaker 6: is it like that, you know where you got to
Speaker 6: be in disparaged?
Speaker 3: Are going to be like that theory that you could
Speaker 3: be rich and still be this I mean, even soulful
Speaker 3: is was invented out of necessity. No, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can't it would be hard to I don't know if
Speaker 3: you would do a rib the way you do. Imagine
Speaker 3: like how you cook smothered steak, like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's kind of like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you're supposed to do that with a rabbi. You know,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Pete, you just smother it
Speaker 3: up with gravy and the fresh Rabbi. It's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you should have did that. Imagine you're
Speaker 3: trying to cook spinach the way you cook greens. They've
Speaker 3: been sitting in this pot for three hours. I think
Speaker 3: they would be done.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So people hate that I say this, and I understand
Speaker 3: why street urban culture is still rooted in some level
Speaker 3: of oppression and poverty culture period. I mean there are
Speaker 3: some like people say, oh, there's no white culture, not really,
Speaker 3: like there's really no black culture. Really it's very minute
Speaker 3: things maybe like hair hot combs now, but once you
Speaker 3: pull out the once you pull out poverty from that.
Speaker 3: Like it's a black family that grew up in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: They whole life, They wasn't the descendant of slaves, and
Speaker 3: they had money when they came here and they was
Speaker 3: black and they live in bel Air.
Speaker 1: What would you be doing that would make it black culture?
Speaker 6: So do you think black culture? I mean, well not
Speaker 6: black culture, but hip hop is shrinking every day that
Speaker 6: it's getting small and something. It's going to be gone.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have a choice because just to live in
Speaker 3: America is you can't even take pride in poverty anymore.
Speaker 3: Like like street urban culture, especially hip hop, is a
Speaker 3: pride in this ship.
Speaker 1: It's not a shameful thing.
Speaker 3: It's like taking the worker pants that your that your
Speaker 3: father had, the last pair of the worker pants, and
Speaker 3: you crease them and cuff them and treat them like
Speaker 3: they the freshest thing in the world. It's about taking
Speaker 3: some you know, ten dollars basketball shoes, you know, named
Speaker 3: after a player that wasn't even that great player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's about taking a shirt.
Speaker 3: Meant to be an undershirt, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and putting a crease in it and wearing it out
Speaker 3: loud like it's it's a it's a different pride in poverty.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Even the lingo how we talk, we we we speak
Speaker 3: it like you know what I mean, We speak it
Speaker 3: like like we speaking the greatest language in the world,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and without that type of
Speaker 3: pride to solidify it. I saw a sister say that,
Speaker 3: like there was a time people made being poor look
Speaker 3: so cool. That's all I was saying to somebody when
Speaker 3: I was little. You make it look cool, you make
Speaker 3: it like it's nast That's the foundation of hip hop,
Speaker 3: making that type of situation look cool, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: tough out, you know, I mean, And it has to
Speaker 3: shrink and get smaller. People parents are are you know,
Speaker 3: think about it again. Like I said, I grew up,
Speaker 3: we didn't. We looked at Louis Vatan and Gucci as
Speaker 3: homosexual brands. That was not like something we aspired to have,
Speaker 3: you know, Foobou you know, Karl Kana, cross color, youse, damaged,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like black designers, rockaware, I mean,
Speaker 3: the fat form, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Because I wasn't things that wasn't there when I was
Speaker 6: a kid.
Speaker 1: No, y'all didn't have it right. So so my generation
Speaker 1: is unique versus new kids today. They want a celine
Speaker 1: or they want and.
Speaker 6: You look, you missed the parachute pants years. They won't
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, they won't find it.
Speaker 3: The black brands, they've probably made the last cool black
Speaker 3: brand and shirt to say, friendshaw.
Speaker 1: You understand that'sh it. So it's it's it's like.
Speaker 3: It's it's tough you I mean, but that's what made
Speaker 3: hip hop special, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's this. It's this real.
Speaker 3: Man pride in circumstance, like yeah, I'm a still rocket
Speaker 3: though I'm still rock these dickies like yeah, watch this
Speaker 3: creasing these cuffs in this motherfucker this ship finna look nice,
Speaker 3: you know, like a pendleton that's just a flannel and
Speaker 3: they just open the top and button one or two
Speaker 3: buttons down and player that bitch out and yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: the freshest nigga on the block, and other people start
Speaker 3: to believe it, you know what I mean, like that
Speaker 3: freshest on the block. I think there's still some of that.
Speaker 4: I think it's evolved in the in the way that
Speaker 4: it's presented, you know, like intergenerationally speaking, because like forty
Speaker 4: years ago, you didn't see every other guy on the
Speaker 4: street corner with fucking ten tattoos on their face.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I think that that is kind of
Speaker 3: something from somewhere different.
Speaker 6: That comes from from people being locked up.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, yeah, but looking to what it's evolved
Speaker 4: to though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, But I don't think it's evolved.
Speaker 3: Evolve is in reference like we usually evolved, like change
Speaker 3: versus evolve being something to stay alive or to grow.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's evolving. I think it's actually becoming obsolete.
Speaker 6: I think more people are getting it still tattoos.
Speaker 3: But that again, it's not that culture anymore.
Speaker 6: It's normal now, it's not. It's not cultured. You're not
Speaker 6: bad if you have a tattoo. You're not doing crime.
Speaker 6: If you have a tattoo, it's like going.
Speaker 3: It's like everybody around America, like I'm going to get
Speaker 3: mesical food because they have a taco bell.
Speaker 1: That's not what that is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you're saying. I agree with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot more I mean there's a lot
Speaker 4: more visibility we've talked about before, a lot more access,
Speaker 4: a lot more visibility. There's a lot more biting. I
Speaker 4: mean there's and like I'll say, like you can't have
Speaker 4: discipline without consequences Culturally in the United States right now,
Speaker 4: they're trying to do away with two things simultaneously, also
Speaker 4: shame and pride. You can't have pride if there's no shame,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, you can't have the
Speaker 4: one without the other. So like, no, no one's ashamed
Speaker 4: of themselves for doing anything. Apparently there's no self respect anymore.
Speaker 4: So how the fuck can you have a lot of
Speaker 4: pride if you if you're not having pride in the
Speaker 4: fact that you don't have anything to be ashamed of
Speaker 4: because shame is no longer a thing.
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Speaker 7: Yeah