1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey you, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm josh, 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: there's Chuck short stuff. Let's go, let's go, let's go. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: It's short stuff. Yeah. So this one is uh courtesy 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: kind of of NC State University. Go back. Oh, yes, 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: thank you. I'm glad you said that. I couldn't remember 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: you about Star Heels I might have been. I'm sorry, bad, bad, 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: bad move. I was gonna call them the Golden Pirates 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: of Love. Oh that's good. I like that. Well, if 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: you ever found a university, I expect you to use 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: it's Barry Manal of University Golden Pirates Love. I saw 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: that guy in person in concert front row center. Yeah. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: When was that in Vegas? I don't know, two thirteen, 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen? Was it great? Oh? One of the best ever. 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean that was a huge, huge Berry Manly fan 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: as a kid, four or five of his records, And 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure my mom was just like, what is going on? 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Don't right? But we're not talking about that. We're talking 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: about your gross bed and the fact that you lay 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: in it every night. Yeah. How often do you change 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: your bed sheets? Once a week? Yeah? Same here. I 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: think that's normal. Yeah. Um, And I mean it's not 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: like it's not like I, um, like I used the bathroom, 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: take my clothes off, and then just go to bed 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: without cleaning myself off every night either. But it turns 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: out that from investigations into the human bed, you would 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: get the impression that all of us do something very 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: similar to that every night, because apparently human bed is, 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: like you said, really really gross on the microbial level 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, and then the point is not to 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: gross you out, but it because it shouldn't gross you out. 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: Kind of my point. If you're doing it once a week, changeover, 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: that's that's not too bad, no, because you know, we 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: don't live on the microbial level, so we couldn't care less, 34 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: that's right. But when you get in your bed, there 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: are trillions of microbes that make up your own human microbiome, 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: and you are you're shedding this stuff. Um, you're shedding well, 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of gross stuff at times, but it's on that 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: microbial level, so you're just try not to think about it. 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: But there are fecal oral and skin bacteria, fecal bacteria 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: that you're shedding in your bed on a nightly basis. Yes, 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: under normal circumstances outside of this episode, you don't really 42 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: think about that. But that's also the reason that your 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: parents taught you never to lick your own sheets, you know. Yeah, 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: well you gotta get the food stuff out of there first, 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: so you lick it. Then, well you just you you 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: make a cup with one of your hands, the palm 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: one in your hands, and then you use the other 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: hand to scoop that stuff into the cup and then 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: you eat it like that, like a handful and nuts. 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Don't ever lick your sheets. It's just right. That's a 51 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: good point. So the the point of all this is, 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: like you said, it's not that gross. Everybody out chuck. 53 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: It's to basically say, um, humans are primates. Let's find 54 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: out how much our beds differ from other primates. Bets 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: isn't that correct? Yeah, And these researchers at NC State University, 56 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: I think, I think inen did this and they found 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: as far as we go, about thirty of the bacteria 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: and our beds come from us. Uh. Like I said that, 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: the oral and skin and fecal bacteria, and they're like, well, 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: that makes sense coming from our own bodies. And we 61 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: are really curious because chimpanzees are close to us. What 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: the deal is with them. Because here's the thing I 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: never knew about chimpanzees. They make a new nut, make 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: their bed, They build and construct a brand new bed 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: for themselves every single day. I did not know that either. 66 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a very refreshing fact that I had 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: no idea about chimps. I I see them in a 68 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: different light now, and I feel like kind of a 69 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: jerk for thinking they were a little dirty before. Yeah, 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: so they wanted to find out like what's going on 71 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: in a chimpanzee bed and what they were kind of 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: zeerring in on. It's not like how dirty are they, 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: but how much of their own microbiome is in their 74 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: bed compared to um other stuff from their environment since 75 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: they're you know, these beds are up in trees, Like 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: are their tiny little insects all over the place, and 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: like gross stuff from them? Or is it mainly just 78 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: stuff from the chimpanzee. Yeah, the researchers were like, it's 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: gross enough talking about human beds. Let's try to make 80 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: everybody barth by talking about chimpanzee beds. Should we cliffhanger 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: right there and take a break? You bet your your sweet, 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: but you bet your sweet chimpanzee. All right, we'll be 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: back with Zippy the Chimp right after this as skuld Okay, 84 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: we're back and we're with Zippy the Chimp. Is that 85 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: a new chimper? Is that like a throwback from the fifties? Um, 86 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: Zippy was an actual uh lovey as my daughter calls, 87 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: some little stuffed animal that I had when I was little, 88 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: and it had a hand that you could squeeze. It 89 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: was he wearing red overalls in a red cap. I 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: think Zippy had red. Do you remember remember when we 91 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: used to make like galleries on the blogs as part 92 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: of our job. You made you made knockoff lovees, right, 93 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: they I found like the I made it one of 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: the best galleries ever. Was like the most unsettling dolls 95 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: of all time, and that it was like fifty or 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: sixty of them. But Zippy was definitely in there. Those 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: are those are weird times when they were like the 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: page views equal money, guys. I know, if you could 99 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: come up with like a hundred pictures, let's say, yeah, 100 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: it was a step up from the knockoff wallets. They 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: had a sewing prior to that. I thank god for 102 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: the blogs coming along. Yes, A Zippi with war Red 103 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: and then uh, my mom was so great. Also, my 104 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: one of my favorite books growing up was Cortu Roy 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: the Bear, the Department Store Bear and Corturoy war green 106 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Corturoy overalls. And my mom took a Teddy Bear lovey 107 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: that looked like cot Roy and made homemade these little 108 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: green coote Roy overalls for him. That is so sweet 109 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: and I still have that now. My daughter has it 110 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: in her room with her other fifty lovees. That is 111 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: very sweet. That is a great story. I'm glad you 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: you use that as a tangent and not because that 113 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: this this article is a little thin. Well we are 114 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: killing some time, aren't we. So um, we're talking about 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: this study where they wanted to basically compare um human 116 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: beds to chimpanzee beds to just you know, basically make 117 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: chips look bad, point out how great humans are. And 118 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: they went back and they looked at their findings and 119 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: they went what and found that no, no, no, chimps 120 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: actually are pretty clean if you compare beds to beds 121 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: between humans and other primates including chimps. Yeah, I think 122 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: they got They went to Tanzania, which is a great 123 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: place to go if you want to get some chimps. 124 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: And they got swabs from forty one chimpanzee beds or 125 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: nests they call him nests too, and then they tested 126 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: those for the diversity, the micro microbial biodiversity. And then 127 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: I think for fifteen of those nests they even use 128 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: vacuums because I talked about the insects and stuff that 129 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you're invariably gonna get when you live in the woods 130 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: in a nest, Yeah, and they wanted to see kind 131 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: of what was in there, so they vacuumed up about 132 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: fifteen of them. And then, like you said, they thought 133 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: they were going to see about the same thing, which 134 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: is that chimpanzees had a bunch of gross stuff from 135 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: their own bodies and their beds, and they found the opposite. 136 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: They found almost entirely the bed were almost entirely lacking. Uh. 137 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: They did find that the bacteria, environmental bacteria is what 138 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: dominated the nest and not chimpanzee gunk. Yeah, no oral, 139 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: no skin, no fecal bacteria even And get this, everybody 140 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: like if you sleep naked, yes, you're gonna get some 141 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: fecal bacteria on your bed sheets. This is inevitable no 142 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: matter how clean you are. I'm sorry, we're talking about 143 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: microbes here. It's okay, it's okay, it's normal. Chimpanzees do 144 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: not traditionally wear pants of any kind. They sleep naked 145 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: all the time without variation, unless unless they live at 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: a house and they wear pants. But that is definitely 147 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: not the norm among chimpanzees in the wild. No pants. 148 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: And yet not a single type of fecal bacteria that's 149 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: known to inhabit chimpanzees feces was found in their nests 150 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and any of the nests that they studied, which means 151 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: it's sad to say everyone, chimpanzees are way cleaner than you. 152 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to beds. Yeah, I mean, what we've 153 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: done is we've gotten rid of you know, we don't 154 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: wear shoes in bed, heaven forbid, and stuff like that, 155 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,239 Speaker 1: so we're not tracking in as much stuff from the outside. 156 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: We generally changed into jammys or uh, heaven forbid. If 157 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: he sleep naked in your bed, like you were just 158 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: talking about, I can't do that, never have been able to. 159 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: I have a friend who warned me never to sleep 160 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: naked because he was in a house fire once and 161 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: his life was actually saved by the person whose apartment 162 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: he was at, and um, he was sleeping naked and 163 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: ended up outside in this condo complex totally naked in 164 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the night because of this fire that 165 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: again his life had just been saved from. So he 166 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: was grateful to be alive, but also ungrateful to have 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: been naked. And I don't believe he ever slept naked 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: again after that. And he said one of the neighbors 169 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: gave him like a blanket or something, but he was 170 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: standing out there naked for a little while thanks to 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: that house fire. Yeah, I sleep on top of the 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: covers generally, like sometimes i'll snuggle up under and like 173 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: the dead of winter, but I basically just sleep completely 174 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: on top of the bed. And the thought of sleeping 175 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: completely on top of the bed completely naked is makes 176 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: me feel vulnerable. I think it's disgusting. Nobody wants to 177 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: see that, and you know, I don't know, I just 178 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: I feel really vulnerable, like, oh yeah, like somebody could 179 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: come along and punch any terrible place, just whatever. I 180 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: just don't want my parts exposed like that all night, 181 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: for like eight hours in a row. So instead you 182 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: wear nothing but a blazer a porky biggott. Oh that's 183 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: good stuff. Um So, anyway, where I was going is 184 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: is that our beds don't have a lot of that 185 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: outside stuff because we change into other things and we 186 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: don't get that stuff on our bed generally. So it's 187 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: just a less diverse uh set of microbes that are 188 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: in our bed. It's mainly from our bodies. Yeah, and 189 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: there's no mystery to why chimp's beds are cleaner. They 190 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: make their own nests their beds night after night from scratch. 191 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: They just get a bunch of twigs and leaves and 192 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: make a new bed every single night, which is pretty 193 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: neat that. They're like, it's gross to sleep in the 194 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: same bed twice. I can't believe humans do it. That's right, 195 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: So we want to shout out once again. N C 196 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: State University in their paper the Ecology of Sleeping colon 197 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: the microbial uh and Arthur Pod Associates of Chimpanzee beds. 198 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Very nice, quite a read, very nice, And since I 199 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: said very nice twice, that means, of course short stuff 200 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: is out. Stuff you should know is a production of 201 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 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