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Speaker 1: Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language. Surprisingly,

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Speaker 1: you met with your son's murderer, Daniel Wozniak while he

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Speaker 1: was waiting in jail before his trial. We spoke for

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Speaker 1: a total of almost six hours. During that time, he

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Speaker 1: had told me that actually he had planned to um.

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Speaker 1: Initially he had planned to kill his parents. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Sleuth. We have Steve Hair, Samuel Hair's father, and

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Speaker 1: sam was one of Daniel Wazniak's murder victims. And we're

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Speaker 1: very grateful to have you here today. Steve, thank you

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Speaker 1: good to be here. So I want our listeners to

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Speaker 1: understanding of appreciate how our relationship began. We met actually

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Speaker 1: after the trial officially, and I had been going on

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Speaker 1: for years trying to find out the truth of what happened.

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Speaker 1: The police regarded as far as what they could tell me,

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Speaker 1: obviously because they had to prepare for the trial as

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Speaker 1: well as the prosecutors, so they couldn't tell me much.

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Speaker 1: But I found out enough of my own through interviews

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Speaker 1: of my own certain things. And then when you had

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Speaker 1: introduced yourself to me, you had mentioned something, and that's

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Speaker 1: something told me that other people trusted you with that information.

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Speaker 1: So I figured if those people trusted you with that information,

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Speaker 1: I could trust you and share some of the information

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Speaker 1: that I had received. And I believe what you're referring

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Speaker 1: to is when I told you that I had seen

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Speaker 1: the pictures and what those pictures reflected were what Daniel

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Speaker 1: was Nia did to your son. And once again, once

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Speaker 1: I realized that those people entrusted you with showing you

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Speaker 1: those pictures and they were quite graphic, trust me, I

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Speaker 1: know then that was good enough for me. So from

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Speaker 1: there we really did share a journey together. I think

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Speaker 1: it really fortified um the results we came up with

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Speaker 1: and the work that we did when we were able

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Speaker 1: to join forces and do it together. When you came

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Speaker 1: along and when you told me what you had seen

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Speaker 1: and I said, okay, let's do a little collaboration on this,

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Speaker 1: and all the stuff you hadn't covered, Linda, and all

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Speaker 1: the interviews you've done showed me what a true investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter should be. I've always believed right from the beginning

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Speaker 1: that there was more than just Dan mos NAC's involvement.

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Speaker 1: Through Sam's friends, quite an number of occasions would fill

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Speaker 1: me in on certain areas that just strengthened my belief

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Speaker 1: that there were more people involved. Then when you and

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Speaker 1: I had met and we started going over some notes

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Speaker 1: that we had, we realized that this goes much deeper,

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Speaker 1: and that began our collaboration as far as, hey, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this. Let's find out or

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Speaker 1: try to find out the whole truth. And part of

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Speaker 1: that truth is in fact looking into others involved in

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Speaker 1: these crimes, looking into accomplices of dance and and to

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Speaker 1: try to find out in fact what their roles were,

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Speaker 1: if any, and and the evidence to support that. And

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Speaker 1: I think some of that focus has to do with

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Speaker 1: Rachel Buffett, who was Danniel wznia x x fiance and

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Speaker 1: quite frankly the person that he was allegedly committing these

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Speaker 1: crimes for so that he could win favor with her

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Speaker 1: and and take her on a beautiful honeymoon with your

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Speaker 1: son's hard earned savings. And so I think to focus

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Speaker 1: charging her with three felony counts. As an accessory, I

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Speaker 1: think we learned a lot through police transcriptions that I

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Speaker 1: was able to procure from a source, gave a real

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Speaker 1: blueprint into her guilt. It's the lies I always say

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Speaker 1: that led us to believe that she was guilty of

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Speaker 1: the blueprint, is the foundation, it's the whole building. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Those the information that you had received, What they did

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Speaker 1: that I truly believe that Daniel Wozniak wouldn't have committed

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Speaker 1: these crimes if he had never met Rachel Buffett. And

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Speaker 1: I will say that Costa Masa please agreed with me

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Speaker 1: or accomplished charges, but they just fell short, and that

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Speaker 1: just confirmed my belief that, Yeah, she's much more part

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Speaker 1: I know it's hearsay, but you certainly did speak to

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Speaker 1: her relationship with Dan, and how she was really the

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Speaker 1: think really reflects their relationship and her power over him,

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Speaker 1: And when they get together for these parties, Rachel would

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Speaker 1: we're not going home together. And sure enough she would.

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Speaker 1: She would basically assert to him, unless you kiss that

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Speaker 1: And that's what do you do? And everybody laugh and

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Speaker 1: and and that just that to me is so revealing. Well,

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Speaker 1: I had learned that story from you, but I had

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Speaker 1: heard the other stories. Whereas she was the one pulling

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Speaker 1: But once again, everything led to certainly Rachel of being

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Speaker 1: Rachel on Dr Phil's stage for a national television audience.

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Speaker 1: They were young, in love and living the American dream

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Speaker 1: of being actors in California. Rachel's claim to fame was

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Speaker 1: playing Princess Ariel at Disneyland. Dan was well known in

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Speaker 1: a week away from their beach side wedding. That is

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Speaker 1: until the cops called it off. I'm December two thousand twelve.

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Speaker 1: I got a call from Dr Phil Studios saying that

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Speaker 1: they wanted to do a show on this and I said, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get involved. And they had told

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Speaker 1: me what Rachel Buffett is going on there, basically to

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Speaker 1: profess her innocence, so I said, sign me up. Two

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Speaker 1: days later we had a pre interview, and then three

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Speaker 1: Because of how much these people are hurting and they

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Speaker 1: bringing up a lot of pain for me. And if

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Speaker 1: had a show with her who was going to benefit

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Speaker 1: from this except for Rachel. I'm finding out random different lies.

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Speaker 1: And then I did have the opportunity to confront her,

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Speaker 1: if you're so innocent, reputations whatever, it's hard on your business.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but my son is dead. My son and

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Speaker 1: his friend, his tutor, is the part. They're both dead.

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Speaker 1: He was cut up into pieces. And you to come

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Speaker 1: That offends me. That offends me. And album was leave

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Speaker 1: it at that, and Dr Phil also confronts Rachel on

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Speaker 1: some of her inconsistencies. Well, what I want to do

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Speaker 1: is give you, Rachel, the opportunity to tell your side

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Speaker 1: of this story. According to the d A, Rachel described

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Speaker 1: fabricating this third party. And it's my understanding that you

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Speaker 1: a little bit stronger language that Rachel was telling Dan,

432
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: you're screwing put the other expletive there up my story, Dan,

433
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: be quiet. But you had mentioned that Dan and Rachel

434
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: had gone over Jake and Dave's apartment when they were

435
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: called in because they were talking about who was found

436
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: in Sam's apartment. And that's when Dan was telling the

437
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: guys he was changing the story there about what this

438
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: guy looked like, about this man was in a black hat?

439
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: Was he in a white hat? What was he? Was

440
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: not there? Not Reuben was not there that night. It

441
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: was Jake, I believe, a couple of randolph And what

442
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: I had heard they had told me was Rachel said,

443
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: we gotta get out of here, we gotta go, and

444
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: they abruptly left, and Ashley was there. Ashley was there,

445
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: and she she and the Randolph's told me that when

446
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: Dan was messing up his stories, Rachel said, we have

447
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: to get out of here, and she pulled him out

448
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: of the meeting and and so we've got to go,

449
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: We've got to go. Like she was panicking because she

450
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: could hear his right And then when she went back

451
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: with just the Randolph's, that's when she said, you're effing

452
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: up my story. Dan, You've got to stop her story. Yeah, right,

453
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: So that that's that's pretty big. Once again It just

454
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: solidifies my belief, and I'm sure others believe that she's

455
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: much more involved, and I share with Detective Cohen another

456
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: noteworthy story involving Violet and Rachel. I just wanted to

457
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: say when you were talking about the call between Dan

458
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: and Rachel while he was in jail, and she's telling

459
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: Dan that you know, she ran into Tim and he's

460
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: got this evidence, and he's like, no, baby, no, baby,

461
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: you can't show that. You can't do that. I'm dead

462
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: if you do that, and she's like, I have to

463
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: because I'm on a recorded call and I have to

464
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: look like I'm cooperating. I wanted to mention to you

465
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: that I've spent quite a bit of time with a

466
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: woman by the name of Violet Randolph who happened to

467
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: be in the car sitting next to her when that

468
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: phone call was taking place. And the reason why she

469
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: was saying that on the phone to Dan was because

470
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Violet had threatened her and said, I am calling Jose Morales,

471
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: Detective Morales right now if you don't tell the police

472
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: about this evidence before it gets destroyed by Tim, because

473
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: she was saying, I don't want to do it, I

474
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: don't want to tell them. So, I don't know if

475
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: you know that or not, but I thought it was important. Yeah,

476
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: I do recall now that, yes, she was kind of

477
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: forced to do it because of Violet. Yet, during Dan

478
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Bosniak's trial, Prosecutor Matt Murphy told yours that the cornucopia

479
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: of evidence, as he put it, was a gift from

480
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Rachel Buffett, but it was actually Violet Randolph who was

481
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: going to make sure that the authorities knew about this

482
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: grab bag of evidence. And one of the questions I

483
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: asked Detective Morales, who was one of the lead detectives

484
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: in this case, what would have made the difference between

485
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: charging Rachel with accessory after the fact versus an accomplice.

486
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: He said that they would have had to have proven

487
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: that she was part of the planning and that, for instance,

488
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: she staked out the locations. Well, that's indeed what she did.

489
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: We have eyewitness testimony that shows puts Rachel and Dan

490
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: at the Liberty Theater, which was the scene of the

491
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: crime of the murder of your son. Puts them both

492
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: at the Liberty Theater two nights before the murder. And

493
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I also spoke to the ranger of El Dorado Park.

494
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I had gone there two months after the murder, and

495
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: he said that this couple and he identified Dan, had

496
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: stopped at that park prior to the murders as well,

497
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: and that is where Dan told cost to Masa police

498
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: that he spread your son's body parts after leaving the

499
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Liberty Attic theater where he had dismembered his body. And

500
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: I and I have three witnesses that saw her at

501
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: the theater. There was no reason for them to be

502
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: at the theater. One of those witnesses, Stuart McDougall, told

503
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: me that they were rehearsing a show that night for

504
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Rachel and Dan to show up at the theater that night,

505
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: that Wednesday night before the murders. Was there a specific

506
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: reason for them to be there or was it a

507
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: shock to everybody? I was shocked, surprise to everyone. There's

508
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: no there's no reason for them to actually be them. No,

509
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: they just combed up down, but combed up, you know,

510
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: And but that's we hadn't seen him for a while

511
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: and they just thumbed up. Do you suspect that there

512
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: were drugs involved? But how I would definitely suspect about

513
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: She was a nervous nelly. I'm not kidding she was.

514
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: She looked strung up. Jeez, you know, hope the hell

515
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: was going on? Not Nate, you know, because and again

516
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I just put it Day didn't know. I just thought

517
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: she was at my head. And then I just done

518
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: and asked him you, okay, yeah, I'm fair on fair pay,

519
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: and they just brushed off of it. On Steve, let's

520
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: talk about your meeting with Dan one on one, three

521
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: separate visits while he was sitting in County jail waiting

522
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: for his trial to start. You actually made an effort

523
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: to meet with him, and he agreed to meet with you.

524
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: I had absolutely nothing to lose, so I decided one day,

525
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: let me go to the jail. We spoke for a

526
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: total of almost six hours. During that time, he admitted it.

527
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: He apologized eyes. He had told me that actually he

528
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: had planned to uh. Initially he had planned to kill

529
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: his parents, but he backed out from that. And then,

530
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: of course, in a very he wrote it, okay, he

531
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: said Sam, and Sam was not my first target. Was

532
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: not initially my first target. And they said, what do

533
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: you mean? And he didn't want to say it, so

534
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: he wrote he carried a bible with him with a

535
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: little golf pencil, and he wrote in the Bible my

536
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: parents mean His parents were initially his first target, and

537
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: Dan confesses the same to Rachel during one of their

538
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: jailhouse calls. So they leave your family, then crazy. That's

539
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: why you left them, because you're crazy, because they hate compromications,

540
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: because they required too much out of mean and I

541
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: couldn't deliver. And the main reason that I left them

542
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: is I almost reached the point where I almost killed them.

543
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Did you almost reach the point where he killed me? No? Never,

544
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: I promise you were my only light personally, I would

545
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: have chosen that then Sam which still and Julie would

546
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: still be alive. But he also spoke about other things.

547
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: He spoke about Wesley, that he spoke about the plan.

548
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: He told me certain things, not much about Rachel, but

549
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: he had mentioned a few things about his brother Tim,

550
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: which I believe you'll want to discuss in the later episodes.

551
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: But once again, I wanted to go there and uh

552
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: find out as much information as I could, because, like

553
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: I have said, he was the only one who was

554
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: going to give me the direct information, and I knew

555
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: it was lies, but not all of them are lies.

556
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: What I found out during my course of my investigations

557
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Sam's friends from the Camdens and what have you. Is

558
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: that certain times Dan would tell the truth, certain times

559
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: he would lie. Those lies would be when it would

560
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: benefit him. He told me when Wesley would take money

561
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: out from the A t M s. That's the young

562
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: lad who took who had Sam's credit card. He told

563
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: me he solicited for his help in his scheme. He

564
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: he sent Wesley on the mission to go in like

565
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: a hat and classes to camouflage his identity, but go

566
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: to the A t M physically to get the money.

567
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: He told me things like he told his brother not

568
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: to look in the backpack, but his brother not only

569
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: did that, but he took the money, the foreign money

570
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: that was in Sam's He had mentioned it to me,

571
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: so Dan was told also used Sam's card to try

572
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: to get cass right. Well, I also found out that Tim,

573
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: his brother, not only went into the backpack and took

574
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: the foreign money which was actually worthless, but Tim actually

575
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: went in and got Sam's A t M card and

576
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: tries to use it to fill up his gas tank.

577
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: This is from a person who said, meaning Tim his brother,

578
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: who told me that he uh, he didn't even go

579
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: into the backpack, so lying tends to run into wols

580
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Nack family regardless. So I did speak to him. There

581
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: are those times, and I was getting certain answers. He

582
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: said he was upset with Wesley. He was upset, not

583
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: what he was upset with Wesley. This is what Dan

584
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: told me. He said he got piste off at Wesley

585
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: for using Sam's car, driving Sam's car around. But it

586
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: bothered me in the sense that is Wesley not as

587
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: innocent as he as he comes across. And then also

588
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: that Dan gave him money to let him have money

589
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: for drugs and things like that. I don't know how

590
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: that played out, but I do know this. Dan told

591
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: me certain things. Some of them proved out to be

592
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: true and some of them was just out now bs.

593
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: And Wesley did admit to me because I kept asking him,

594
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand what did you do it for? I mean,

595
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: I understand you trusted Dan and he was like an

596
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: older brother to you, and but why did you do it?

597
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: You knew, I mean clearly you knew what you were

598
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: doing was not on the up and up. And he

599
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: did admit that one of those days he took out

600
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: an extra four hundred for himself and he told me that, so, uh,

601
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: that was clear. On the Saturday, he told Danny couldn't

602
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: do what he did do it on that Saturday, so

603
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: he did take an extra There you go, there you go.

604
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: But funny it's and I just wished the police had

605
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: done a little bit something towards Wesley the kid got

606
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: off scott Ford. Do you feel when you had those

607
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: conversations with Dan did you get the sense because so

608
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: many people kept asking why is he protecting her? Why

609
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: is he not coming forward and and and exposing her

610
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: role in all of this. I mean even that jail

611
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: house snitched that spoke to Dan. You know that for

612
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: a Fernando Perez says in the letter that Dan told

613
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: him that Rachel knew, and she said, go make us happy,

614
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Go do whatever you have to do. When he discussed

615
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: the plan of killing Sam. Nobody could understand why Dan

616
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: was protecting her. But to me answer, I would love

617
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: for you to answer. The reason why Dan didn't snitch

618
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: quote on Rachel is because if he snitches on Rachel,

619
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: they will expose Tim. That's what I believe too. In fact,

620
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: him said to me, if Rachel comes forward and says anything,

621
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: that if he has to go down, so will she.

622
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he has said that he's pulled the wool

623
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: over everyone's eyes, that he that he was able to

624
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: dupe the FBI and the police, and oh that d a.

625
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: What a great guy he is. I know I've gone

626
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: to the police to push this and check on Tim

627
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: and pushed it for him to be charged with more.

628
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: But it falls on deaf ears with that case for

629
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the coast of Masa police end of the a's office.

630
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: Tim's done. Tim has done, and now they're focusing on Rachel. Well,

631
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: they made a deal with him. I mean they made

632
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: a deal with him because they wanted to make sure

633
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: their capital case was going to be one and they

634
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: were worried that the defense attorney was going to talk

635
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: about some kind of mental instability in his background. But

636
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: a deal is premised on the fact that that person

637
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: tells you the whole truth and that and Tim Mosenick

638
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: did not tell them the whole truth. He lied often frequently,

639
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: and for that that negates any deal. He was awful.

640
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: I was in court that day. I was in court

641
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: every day along with you, but that day I remember

642
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: just he was babbling all over the place and nothing

643
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: made sense, and he was inconsistent every other word out

644
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: of his mouth, and he told me later that he

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Speaker 1: specifically drank a fifth of jack. He wanted to come

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Speaker 1: in there trash, so that he was the most ineffective

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Speaker 1: witness they ever saw. And even with that, he still

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Speaker 1: got away with everything because it worked. It worked, And

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Speaker 1: I have been in the room when I've heard Matt

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Speaker 1: Murphy characterized Tim Wozniak as just a hapless fool who

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Speaker 1: was another Daniel Wasniak victim like Sam Hair and Julie Kis.

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Speaker 1: There are so many questions that's still are unanswered, and

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Speaker 1: I'd still like to know eventually why. That's all. I've

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Speaker 1: heard you say that in many ways, my investigation picked

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Speaker 1: up where yours left off, and that it re energized

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Speaker 1: your desire as we together collaborated to find out the

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Speaker 1: whole truth. But really the most important thing for me, Steve,

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Speaker 1: is that you and your wife and the Kibuishi's learned

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Speaker 1: the entire picture, so you all know what happened to

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Speaker 1: your loved ones. And I do want to say, first

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Speaker 1: of all, thank you, Linda, and let me explain my

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Speaker 1: Once I saw that the police trusted you and you

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Speaker 1: were able to see certain things, and once we started collaborating,

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Speaker 1: I found out what true investigative reporting is. I had

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Speaker 1: done episodes for Dateline, being a novice who never had

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Speaker 1: exposure TV before, I assumed there they had investigative reporters

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Speaker 1: who would find out everything, and unfortunately, everything they did

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Speaker 1: they got from the transcripts. There was really no investigations

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Speaker 1: per se. And you can give a lesson to every

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Speaker 1: one of those shows what true investigative reporting is. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Linda, Thank you so much, Steve, and

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Speaker 1: I will continue to ask questions until the whole truth

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Speaker 1: about this case can be told. I know Detective Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen yearns for the same answers. Cases can be looked

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Speaker 1: at again. And there are others. There are others involved

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Speaker 1: in this, absolutely absolutely. You know. There's no statue in

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Speaker 1: homisid it. So you know, even though we have one

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Speaker 1: guy in prison right now on death row, there's still

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Speaker 1: plenty more room for others to follow. You have often

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Speaker 1: said to me, Steve, that Dan Wozniak took away your

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Speaker 1: best friend, he took away my hand, a large part

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Speaker 1: of my life, Okay, and they can't put him to

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Speaker 1: death fast enough for me. But let's find out about Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Next week, tune in for an exclusive interview with Dan

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Speaker 1: Wasniat defense attorney Scott Sanders. He will reveal some of

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Speaker 1: his earlier frustrations during the Wazniak trial, and one of

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Speaker 1: those frustrations involves his inability to introduce Sam Hair's dark

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Speaker 1: past when he himself was charged with murder. Scott Sanders

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Speaker 1: will take us through his legal predictions of Rachel's upcoming

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Speaker 1: trial proceedings. Hear what we might expect from the courtroom

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Speaker 1: drama between prosecutor Matt Murphy and Rachel Buffett's defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: David Medina. If you enjoyed this episode of Sleuth, share

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