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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Oftentimes we talk about

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Speaker 1: the changes that are happening in society, and as we've

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Speaker 1: noticed a lot, there is this push to have our

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Speaker 1: pronouns on everything. You've got to have your pronouns on

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Speaker 1: your resume, pronouns here, your pronouns there. And there's a

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Speaker 1: big pushback, i would say, from conservatives to say this

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Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. But the problem is that if

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Speaker 1: you are a teacher and you are in this environment

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Speaker 1: and you are asked to use a child's pronouns, and

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Speaker 1: you say, look, hey, this is not my faith. I'm

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Speaker 1: calling religious exemption here. I'm not going to call a

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Speaker 1: child something that they are physically not will Sometimes that

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Speaker 1: doesn't work out for you with the teachers union or

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Speaker 1: the administration of the school. And we have a woman

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Speaker 1: here today who experienced that. I think the tide is

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Speaker 1: really interesting to all of you out there listening, because,

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Speaker 1: as we've said before, when things like this happen, when

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Speaker 1: they're wrong, the way to push back is to get

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Speaker 1: legal counsel to go after these administrations, to go after

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Speaker 1: these schools. These are our schools, like that's the most

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Speaker 1: important thing to remember. These are our students, these are

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Speaker 1: our children, these are our teachers, and they should not

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Speaker 1: be forced to do something against their will. And when

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Speaker 1: that's happening, that's when you take legal action. In today,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk to not only legal counsel, but

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Speaker 1: a teacher, a California teacher who experienced this. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Jessica Tapia. She was fired for her religious beliefs,

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Speaker 1: and we have Bethany Onishenko here with us today. She

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Speaker 1: is her legal counsel. We're going to get into exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened to her so that you all, when you

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Speaker 1: hear the story, you can kind of understand what our

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Speaker 1: options are right now when you're being forced to take

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Speaker 1: a certain position that you just don't believe in. So

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Speaker 1: there are options, and I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about that first. Before we get into that, I want

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Speaker 1: to remind you about something else we have options about it.

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Speaker 1: That is supporting our friends over in Israel. My partners

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Speaker 1: at the IFCJ are out there every day. Since the

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Speaker 1: terror attacks on October seventh, anti Semitism has been on

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Speaker 1: the rise, and you guys, you've seen it. It's not

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Speaker 1: just in Israel, it's here in the United States, it's

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Speaker 1: around the world. And as you know, that's why I've

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Speaker 1: partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And

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Speaker 1: today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask you

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Speaker 1: to share your stand with us and IFCJ to raise

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Speaker 1: your voice, just as Oscar Schindler and Corey Tenboom did.

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Speaker 1: This pledge is asking Christians to stand with their Jewish

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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters, to never be silent, to show Jewish

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Speaker 1: people they're not alone. They have God and Christians on

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Speaker 1: their side. And for the month of June, we are

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Speaker 1: asking Christians to sign this pledge. It will be delivered

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Speaker 1: to the President of Israel to show that Christians in

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Speaker 1: America are not only standing in solidarity, but they are

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Speaker 1: also speaking up. So let's take a stand today with

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Speaker 1: the International Fellowship of Christian and Jews to let the

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Speaker 1: Jewish people know they are not alone. If you want

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Speaker 1: to sign the pledge, and I encourage you to do so,

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Speaker 1: go to support IFCJ dot org. That again is support

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Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org. Go there today and take a stand. Now.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about what we can do when

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Speaker 1: at home with our schools because this has happened so much. Jessica, Bethany,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having us, Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Jessica, I want you to just kind of take

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Speaker 1: a moment to tell your story and what you've been

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Speaker 1: able to do since then. You had this experience where

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Speaker 1: you were asked to use pronouns that were not the

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Speaker 1: child's birth given pronouns. I mean, I just when I

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Speaker 1: say this stuff, it sounds crazy. When you said you

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Speaker 1: weren't going to do that, the school then fired you.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they essentially placed on me every transgender or

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Speaker 3: directive that's out there. Really, the preferred pronouns was just

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Speaker 3: the very first one. After that, I felt it really

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Speaker 3: And then I was in the unique position of being

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Speaker 2: Therefore, I oversaw a girl's locker room.

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Speaker 3: I also learned at that time when these directives were

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Speaker 3: their choosing. So I found myself in between a rock

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Speaker 3: I had three options once these directives were placed on me,

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Speaker 3: three options were basically to put my head in the

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Speaker 3: asking me to do to save my salary. That I've

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Speaker 3: worked so hard for between seven years of college and

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Speaker 3: to just save all that I had worked hard for,

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Speaker 3: but that would have been ignoring those convictions, and really

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Speaker 3: I felt going completely against my faith and the truth.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, I could have.

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Speaker 3: Resigned and walked away, and I I really did think

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Speaker 3: about that for quite some time, but it's just not

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Speaker 2: Calling me to do. And then thirdly would have been

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Speaker 3: Take a stand and speak up about these directives that

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do, you know, the best job for

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Speaker 3: my students, as I've always aimed to do. But I

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Speaker 3: some policies or directives you're asking me to follow that

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Speaker 3: I broke down each directive that I would not be

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Speaker 3: it sounds like you're asking for a religious accommodation, So

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Speaker 3: come on in. And at this point, this was now

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Speaker 3: going to be my third meeting with my school district.

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Speaker 2: Come on in and we'll.

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Speaker 3: See if and how we can accommodate your religious beliefs.

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Speaker 3: So went into that meeting, I was questioned up and

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Speaker 3: that a few days later, I got a letter via

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Speaker 3: email from the school district stating that they have decided

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Speaker 3: they cannot accommodate my religious beliefs and we're therefore releasing

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Speaker 1: Wow. And this is a situation where, I mean, beyond

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Speaker 1: religious beliefs, you are trying to protect girls, and that

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Speaker 1: to me is the most critical part of this. And

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Speaker 1: as a mom of four daughters, to me, this is

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Speaker 1: the point where a lawsuit is absolutely critical because we

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Speaker 1: to do that because we have boys in a locker room. Look,

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Speaker 1: the locker room, and I'm I'm sure men feel the same.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't grow up as a boy.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you. But that time of life, when

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Speaker 1: have to go in and change for Jim. You're doing

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Speaker 1: it in front of all the other girls. Everybody's at

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Speaker 1: a different stage of development. It's a very awkward time

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Speaker 1: how did we even get here? How did we even

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Speaker 3: Right? It's perfect, and you know what, like you said,

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Speaker 3: immediate lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: It was never like something I even gave a second

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Speaker 3: Once I was fired, and really before I was fired,

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Speaker 3: for me if I had taken this stand, was being terminated.

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Speaker 2: I already knew.

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Speaker 3: I already knew that I was going to seek justice

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Speaker 3: in this and that is through you know, litigating, that's

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Speaker 3: through filing a lawsuit against the school. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: the truth is, lawsuit, a lawsuit or more, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: So let's also talk for a minute about the position

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Speaker 1: that you're putting young men into. And I'm Bethany I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you this because we're talking about giving

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Speaker 1: they are, let's face it, filled with hormones, the ability

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, I identify as a girl right now

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Speaker 1: and go into a woman's locker room. There's always been

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Speaker 1: protections obvious. I mean, it's crazy. It's like obvious why

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the case. What lawsuit is it going

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Speaker 1: to take? I mean, we look at the Loud and

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Speaker 1: When is the school going to say we are not

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Speaker 1: going to put our young women or our young men

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Speaker 1: of young men at a time of life where all

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Speaker 1: of these hormones are going through your body. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that people can't control themselves, but I'm saying

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Speaker 1: there are protections for a reason. What o their lawsuits

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Speaker 1: are going to happen? How many more lives have to

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Speaker 1: be ruined for this facade that we are putting out

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Speaker 1: there that oh, yeah, you can change your gender and

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Speaker 1: you can be whatever you want if you're fifteen, if

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Speaker 1: you're eleven, if you're nine, if you're a toddler.

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Speaker 2: Right, tudor, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: And it's not going to stop until more people stand

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Speaker 4: and say this is absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: We are putting the safety of our girls at risk.

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Speaker 2: We are putting this if you.

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Speaker 4: Have, even our boys at risk at this rate. And

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Speaker 4: so they're getting away with it right now because not

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Speaker 4: you know, in California, now they're saying these are.

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Speaker 2: Our kids, our kids, as if they belong to the

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Speaker 2: school or to the government.

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Speaker 4: And so I think we've just seen that ideology shift

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Speaker 4: a little bit about the purpose of schools and their

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Speaker 4: engagement with parents, which is what's resulted in what we're

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Speaker 4: seeing now. And so you know, as I previously mentioned,

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Speaker 4: parents absolutely have a fundamental right to be involved in

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Speaker 4: their kids' education. But again, we increasingly now are seeing

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Speaker 4: schools just get rid of that idea completely.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: If the school is secretly transitioning a kid, that's absolutely

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Speaker 4: a lawsuit based on the parents' fund the mental rights

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Speaker 4: that have been so sacred for hundreds of years now.

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Speaker 1: Jessica, in your case, you ended up receiving a three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand dollars settlement, And to me, that's

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Speaker 1: why I think that this is so critical. You talk

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Speaker 1: about the schools, You talked about the importance of the

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Speaker 1: public schools, and I agree. I'm a public school student.

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Speaker 1: I agree that it's critical that we keep the public

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Speaker 1: schools around. However, if the public schools are doing this,

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Speaker 1: there has to be some type of a handslap, and

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Speaker 1: there has to be something that is more than a

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Speaker 1: handslap that they feel the pain and they go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we actually don't want to do that again because we

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Speaker 1: cannot continue to dole out millions or hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of dollars. And so I think the suing the school situation.

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Speaker 1: It's got to become more regular if this kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff doesn't stop, and it has to come from teachers

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Speaker 1: and parents. They have to say, I'm going after the

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Speaker 1: system that has created this problem and has put our

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Speaker 1: kids in danger. Because all we hear from the public

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Speaker 1: schools we need more money, we need more money, we

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Speaker 1: need more money. So money. Actually, it must be that

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Speaker 1: the money talks. So if money talks, then these lawsuits

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Speaker 1: have got to be the answer to start getting these

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Speaker 1: school systems to say we're actually we're going to step

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Speaker 1: back from this. We're going to actually make sure that

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Speaker 1: our young men and our young women are safe in

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Speaker 1: a school as it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I truly believe I've felt it on my heart

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Speaker 3: heavily for the last year. Like I said earlier, it

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Speaker 3: is a time of holding these officials accountable and it

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Speaker 3: is a time to sue. And I never would have

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Speaker 3: thought that I would have found myself in a lawsuit ever.

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Speaker 2: But just when you think it won't.

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Speaker 3: Happen to you or be you there, it is knocking

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Speaker 3: at your front door.

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Speaker 2: And you know that is the big question.

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Speaker 3: How many hundreds of thousands to millions to billions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: Is a school district going to be willing to pay

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Speaker 3: out teacher after teacher who simply says no, I won't

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Speaker 3: lie and gets refused a religious accommodation like I did,

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Speaker 3: and then get sued and held accountable for violating someone's

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Speaker 3: religious liberty and freedom of speech. How many cases like

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Speaker 3: that is it going to take for these school districts

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Speaker 3: for the Department of Education to realize, Okay, we are

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Speaker 3: asking teachers to do something that we probably shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: asking them to do.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be working out here.

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Speaker 3: They are waking up, they are rising up there, speaking

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Speaker 3: up there, standing up, and you know, that.

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Speaker 2: Is what I'm excited about. That's what I'm hopeful about.

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Speaker 3: I hope and pray that my story really is just

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Speaker 3: the beginning of so many more cases, of so many

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Speaker 3: more stories where teachers take a stand, and you know what,

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Speaker 3: hopefully it doesn't have to come down to a lawsuit

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Speaker 3: for every teacher.

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Speaker 2: You know what, hopefully these school districts figure out how to.

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Speaker 3: Start accommodating the truth commodation, not religious beliefs, because that

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Speaker 3: is where you know, my school district failed. They did

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Speaker 3: not even try to accommodate the fact that I was

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Speaker 3: simply asking to not lie.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. There's something else that I read

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Speaker 1: about your story. But students actually looked up your social

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Speaker 1: media and they discovered that you were a Christian, and

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Speaker 1: then they reported that to school leadership. I find that fascinating,

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Speaker 1: and folks, I want you to really think this through.

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Speaker 1: Students at school went to their teacher's social media account.

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Speaker 1: They said, man, this teacher looks like she has faith

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Speaker 1: outside of school. Not something you ever discussed in class.

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Speaker 1: This was outside of school at this point, any Christian

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Speaker 1: is a target of students. And why did students do this?

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Speaker 1: Like what convinced students that Christianity is so dangerous that

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Speaker 1: they had to go to leadership? Because I guarantee you,

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Speaker 1: had you had Palestinian flags on your social media, they

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Speaker 1: would have cheered on on, had you had Pride flags,

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Speaker 1: had you had yourself at a club at night with

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Speaker 1: drag queens, all of this would have been somehow fine

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Speaker 1: to these students. And yet for some reason, the fact

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Speaker 1: that you are openly Christian has been ingrained in our students'

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Speaker 1: minds that this is a danger and that they then

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Speaker 1: have to tattle. I mean, think about the mindset of

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Speaker 1: young people. There's some danger here. The reason you go

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Speaker 1: tell leadership is like, hey, we feel like this is

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Speaker 1: a problem you should know. Does that not shock you

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Speaker 1: to think that students are now going to try to

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Speaker 1: get their teachers fired based on religion? And what does

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Speaker 1: that say about the public schools if they aren't teaching

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Speaker 1: one of the number one beauties of the United States

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Speaker 1: of America, and that is religious liberty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it really really shows the entitlement that

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Speaker 3: so many children have today. They feel they're even entire

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Speaker 3: to the point of, you know, scourging through their teachers

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Speaker 3: social media which is totally separate from her job and

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Speaker 3: from her career, and deciding that, you know, apparently all

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Speaker 3: diversity is welcome except Christianity, and then reporting that to

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Speaker 3: the school with obvious attempts to cancel me, to terminate me.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they weren't successful at that. I mean

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Speaker 3: I saw from this.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you about did the school have

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Speaker 1: any type of a policy where it said teachers can't

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Speaker 1: have a personal social media account? Was there any type

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Speaker 1: of policy that would say this stuff is not acceptable.

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Speaker 3: No, there is no policy about that that I knew of, Bethany,

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Speaker 3: have you seen.

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Speaker 1: This where these teachers are now. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 1: as though the teachers who are being canceled or fired

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Speaker 1: or disciplined because of social media, they tend to be conservative.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen schools implementing new programs saying, hey, if

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Speaker 1: you're a teacher, you can't have open social media. You

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Speaker 1: can't let people see social media, Because I would argue

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of teachers out there who are posting things

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Speaker 1: on social media saying I'm encouraging kids to be trans.

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Speaker 1: I am encouraging kids to realize that they don't have

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Speaker 1: a the gender is fluid, that you can be whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. Those teachers are not being disciplined.

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Speaker 4: Right, and teachers don't shed their constitutional rights when they

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Speaker 4: become a public school teacher. These teachers absolutely have a

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Speaker 4: right to have independent social media pages and speak their

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Speaker 4: independent opinions. Legally, the test comes down to whether you're

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Speaker 4: speaking as an individual or whether you're speaking as a

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Speaker 4: government speaker and on behalf of the government. And when

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Speaker 4: you're on your private social media page like that, you're

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Speaker 4: speaking as an individual, You're not speaking on behalf of

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Speaker 4: a school. So schools should not be punishing teachers for

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Speaker 4: speaking up on their life social media page.

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Speaker 2: You know, the beauty of free speech.

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Speaker 4: Is that both sides get presented and are protected equally

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Speaker 4: regardless of the message sent. And so school districts trying

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Speaker 4: to shut down free speech is just, you know, obviously

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Speaker 4: a violation of the constitution.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Have you did your lawsuit with Jessica, did that cover

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Speaker 1: any of that her right to free speech? Or has

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Speaker 1: have you had any others that you're looking at. I

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Speaker 1: know you said before we got on here that you've

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Speaker 1: had so many people reach out. Are there any teachers

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Speaker 1: who said, look, I'm being told that what I'm allowed

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Speaker 1: to say based on the Constitution is limited because I'm

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Speaker 1: a school teacher.

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Speaker 4: Well, and what's interesting about Jessica's case, and Jessica will

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Speaker 4: tell you this is her settlement actually could have been larger,

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Speaker 4: but the school district wanted to place a gag order

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Speaker 4: on her and told her do not speak about this,

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Speaker 4: do not speak about this case and what happened, And

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Speaker 4: Jessica was not willing to settle for that, like that is.

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Speaker 2: Her constitutional right.

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Speaker 4: First Amendment to be able to speak about this case,

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Speaker 4: be able to speak about what happened to her, And

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Speaker 4: so you know, she didn't cave to that. But other teachers,

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Speaker 4: you know, school districts are trying to get them to

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Speaker 4: say any number of things, whether that's in the classroom

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Speaker 4: or on social media. And again, as long as the

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Speaker 4: teacher speaking in their individual capacity, they are absolutely free

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Speaker 4: to say whatever they want. They're free to call students

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Speaker 4: by their biological pronouns. You know, schools cannot mandate those

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Speaker 4: things under the First Amendment. And so yeah, we are

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Speaker 4: definitely seeing a silencing of teachers right now.

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Speaker 2: That's just unprecedented for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the other thing I'll just end on

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Speaker 1: this my own one of my relatives has dealt with

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Speaker 1: this with their child at school where the kids change

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Speaker 1: gender and then the child has to conform. The child

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Speaker 1: who hasn't changed gender has to conform. And I know

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Speaker 1: how challenging it has been for that child to remember

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Speaker 1: my friend who was a she for years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a friend that has been a she for

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Speaker 1: ten years now is suddenly a he, and that is

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Speaker 1: hard to switch your mind and remember as a kid.

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Speaker 1: And the policy is if they change their gender, you

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Speaker 1: have to call them, you have to call them by

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Speaker 1: their other name. You can't screw that up. And I

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Speaker 1: see kids are getting in trouble for doing that, Teachers

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Speaker 1: the same, and I just ask people think about how

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Speaker 1: ridiculous this is. It would be like suddenly your spouse saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: guess what, I'm not going by my name anymore, and

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Speaker 1: you have to call me her instead of him. That's

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Speaker 1: just not going to happen overnight. And it's ridiculous. It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have to happen. We are punishing the people who

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Speaker 1: are being manipulated by this gender cult. And I just

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Speaker 1: have to say that this is when we've seen other

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Speaker 1: countries that have said this is damaging to young people.

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Speaker 1: We have got to stop this. This is not right.

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Speaker 1: They've stopped all of this Blogney treatment that is hurting kids,

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Speaker 1: all of these experiments on children. They've said, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to do the pronounce thing in school. We're no

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Speaker 1: longer experimenting on kids when it comes to gender. And

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Speaker 1: yet we have kids, we have teachers, we have people,

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Speaker 1: parents getting in trouble, parents having their kids taken away

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Speaker 1: for not changing their behavior, not saying the pronouns not saying.

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Speaker 2: The new name.

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Speaker 1: This is boloney, and I applaud you to both for

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Speaker 1: fighting against this. I think we've got to fight much

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Speaker 1: harder as we see. Gosh, it's like so many people

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Speaker 1: this started happy, and so many people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've been told for years to be accepting, to be

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Speaker 1: loving that. I don't want to be a bigot. I

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Speaker 1: don't want any of these bad names to come to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want people to publicly shame me or say

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Speaker 1: bad things about me. Science in other countries is telling

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Speaker 1: us this is wrong. It is manipulative, It is destroying lives.

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Speaker 1: And Jessica Tapia bethany Oshenko, I say thank you for

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Speaker 1: standing up for us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your support. Yes, thank you. It's been

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Speaker 2: such an honor to.

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Speaker 1: Represent Jessica well. Thank you, and thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us today on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: of thank you for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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