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Speaker 1: All what's up? Its way up with Angela Yee, I'm here,

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Brand is here from the Jasmine Brand, and Black

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Speaker 1: is here. How this is my first time interviewing you? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jasmine and I were She was like, have you ever

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Speaker 1: me you really don't do a lot of interviews like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy that had happened this way. It's just

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Speaker 1: more intimate. Yeah, I'm glad too because I actually am

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Speaker 1: really a huge fan of yours, Like that's Jesse with

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Speaker 1: Jesse Ray is Imported. That still is always on my

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Speaker 1: playlist like all the time. And Jesse made good, great

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Speaker 1: music and even on her album. Yeah see, you were

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Speaker 1: like the only guest appearance. And we're working on a

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Speaker 1: collap project right now. See I knew that had to happen.

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Speaker 1: We're working on it right now. That's amazing. You know

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Speaker 1: what that's like about you too? You do a lot

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Speaker 1: of collapse with women in particular. Is there like a

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Speaker 1: reason for that or I mean I just feel like

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Speaker 1: the guys are right now. So it's just more fun

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Speaker 1: for me to step into that space and to ocupath

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Speaker 1: feminine space and to have something like masculine and bring

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Speaker 1: So I just like it because it feels good, and

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Speaker 1: it's always just like stepping into somebody's oasis, and I

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Speaker 1: get to like add a little touch to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a Genne Echo cash Page. We love her too, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: just everybody. And I also feel like you run the

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Speaker 1: gamut of it's well known artists, but then it's also

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Speaker 1: up and coming artists who you work with. How do

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Speaker 1: work with. Most of the time, I like to base

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Speaker 1: it off a friendship. So if I meet somebody in

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Speaker 1: making music together. But some of the times it's just

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Speaker 1: to it. If it doesn't really matter if you got

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Speaker 1: a million or ten thousand like fans, as long as

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Speaker 1: I can find my place in it, I like to

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Speaker 1: jump on pretty much whatever speaks to me. So you've

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Speaker 1: had a long journey so far in this business, and

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Speaker 1: so that's why I think I respect the fact that

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Speaker 1: with up and coming artist because at one point that

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Speaker 1: was you, right when you were an independent artist. Can

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Speaker 1: you talk about that journey a little bit, because I

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Speaker 1: know that was a tough time. Yeah. I mean I

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Speaker 1: I knew what I was going to do since high school.

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Speaker 1: So I graduated high school, I went to college for

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Speaker 1: sign like bad record deals, everybody does. It yells me

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Speaker 1: like three of my friends were in a room, the

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Speaker 1: and we look at each other like we split like

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Speaker 1: We you know, got out of that situation. But in

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Speaker 1: order to get out of that situation, I had to

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Speaker 1: So it was like the eagerness was there, but the

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Speaker 1: figure it out. How did you stay motivated during that downtime?

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Speaker 1: lot of the events I was doing in Atlanta, like

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Speaker 1: And that's what I was doing, like nine out of

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Speaker 1: was Problems. We had like a community of people who

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Speaker 1: put out the song Problems? Yes, that song, and I

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Speaker 1: was a moment when everybody around me had more context

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Speaker 1: like this is my manager's house, Oh my god, and

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Speaker 1: Computer science was my major? How only did it because

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Speaker 1: Computer science my minor with psychology. I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: Who were some people that were really because you do

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Speaker 1: if they started then or once you were able to

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Speaker 1: then sign a deal. No, Honestly, like my management, they

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Speaker 1: had paperwork. I knew about them, and by the time

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Speaker 1: deal and I was super clear with them. I was

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Speaker 1: just like, I don't really want to sign anything right now,

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Speaker 1: but if y'all are willing to work with me and

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Speaker 1: we can build like something on a relationship standpoint, then

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Speaker 1: we can do whatever y'all want to do when it's time.

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Speaker 1: And I got to live with my manager for over

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Speaker 1: a year, yeah, for sure. And during that time they

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Speaker 1: whatever I want all the time, always, always, I like

430
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 1: to make music that is parallel with how I feel.

431
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 1: So if it feels acoustic one day, if it feels

432
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,080
Speaker 1: rap one day, if it feels r and B, if

433
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,920
Speaker 1: it feels like a ballot, I'm just gonna go wherever

434
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,959
Speaker 1: the music takes me. Because you know, you started off

435
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,160
Speaker 1: as a battle rapper, which I think is crazy because

436
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if people really know that. For it

437
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 1: was always black. Yeah, my name has been black since

438
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 1: middle school. It's been the same, spelled the same, always

439
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 1: been that, and you can when people call you six lack.

440
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. It comes with the territory and

441
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 1: it makes for good merch and good conversation. It translates

442
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 1: if we put it in the song. I'll put it

443
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: in the song. It's there. I'm not mad at it

444
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: at all. So have you had some famous battles. I've

445
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,919
Speaker 1: had famous battles within my school system and my county.

446
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 1: There's there's a video clip of me and Thug rapping

447
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 1: UM outside of like one of the video shoots UM,

448
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 1: But that wasn't more so like a battle. Those are

449
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 1: like time periods in Atlanta where if anybody was having

450
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 1: a video shoot, like rich Kids, Young, the Travis Porter,

451
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: Me and the people that I was with would just

452
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: pull up and all be wearing like our merch where

453
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: the same thing and really just try and like make

454
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 1: our presence known because we was coming up and that

455
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 1: was the best way to do it is just pull

456
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: up and start rapping. What made you switch it up.

457
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 1: Battle rappers struggle with making great songs. I don't care. Yeah,

458
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't care how they try to defend nah. Battle

459
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: rappers struggle with making good songs. And honestly, in my opinion,

460
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: I think that battle rapper is painting a picture with

461
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of words, and songwriting is painting that same,

462
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: like exact type of picture, but compressed with as little

463
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: words as you need. So like getting things cut down

464
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: to like what you actually need is I guess it's

465
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: just a little bit more difficult than most people think.

466
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: It helps you with your writing process, I bet too. Yeah, absolutely,

467
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: my vocabulary and every like all the metaphor is everything

468
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,479
Speaker 1: that I need I got from battle rap and now

469
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: I can just compress it into song writing for now.

470
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: We saw that Joe Button was talking about you. He

471
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: said he was a big fan of your first album.

472
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: He said the second album was cool, and then but

473
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: then he was also saying that he thought it wasn't

474
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: a great idea for you to just come out right

475
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: now without a proper setup. He said, career so side

476
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: but something like that. How do he know what was

477
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 1: the proper set up for me? Black announced that his

478
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: album is dropping next month. I love Black, and I'm

479
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: totally open to being wrong with this take, but I

480
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 1: think this is career suicide for him. I'm aware that

481
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 1: I may be triggered because of things that have happened

482
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: in my career, But when the New Regime got the

483
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: Deaf Jam and they just said we're putting Joe album

484
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: out next week or next month, and there was no

485
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: preparation for it. Now where I'm black and I get

486
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: nervous is they're coming off Summer Walker, who has skyrocketed.

487
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: They're coming off division, and I don't want to talk

488
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: about him like his first two albums are platinum projects,

489
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: so he could be the guy that could just coast

490
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: to a platinum project. If this project come out and

491
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: do bad with bad music and a bad single, it

492
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: will be very tough for him to recover, and it'll

493
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: be even tougher for the label to continue to pay

494
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: attention to him. With Summer Walker doing what she's doing night,

495
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: how would he ever know that's that's for me to

496
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: do term. And so if I'm at a point in

497
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: my life where I felt like this is how I

498
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: want to present myself, if I've been doing like everything

499
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: and I feel it's necessary to do it. And if

500
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: the people who I actually like got with me are

501
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: with me, then it's it's looking great, it's feeling great. Yeah,

502
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: because it's not like you haven't been putting out music.

503
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: You've also done a lot of guest appearances. That and

504
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: then also the EP. You know absolutely, and you also

505
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: put out a line of hot sauce. You know, I

506
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: love some hot sauce. Yeah, I think so random, but

507
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm from Atlanta and I love hot sauce.

508
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: Birl y'all love hot wings. This was I was on

509
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: what's the craziest What's the craziest thing you put on?

510
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: You put hot sauce one growing up? I mean I

511
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: really did put it on everything. So I would put

512
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: it on my vegetables because I didn't like vegetables. That's

513
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: so if my mom was making broccoli, I'll be like,

514
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: I don't really want broccoli. Whatever was gonna help me

515
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: eat it? Okay, what about now? Now I've chilled out

516
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: because my voice can't. Oh yeah, take that much and

517
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: make sure you wash your hands a really good after

518
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: you have hot sauce, because you know, I want to

519
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: get into that woman, and because I know somebody that

520
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: happened to Wait, where are you going with that? Somewhere

521
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to, but I know somebody who got

522
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: burned because a guy had hot suce under his nails,

523
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: And god, wait, I mean it's just that I'm just

524
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: wordy at the table still now I think he sometimes

525
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: there's a little hot size. He must have been even

526
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: some it was still a little bit under his nail.

527
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: Out of your your new project, what was the hardest

528
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: song for you to write? It's a little bit weird

529
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: because it's it sounds like such an easy song, but

530
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: Spirited Away on the project was a little bit difficult

531
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: to finish, and only because I love the production of

532
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: it so much that I didn't know how I wanted

533
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: to approach it. So I had the beat and I

534
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: had maybe the first verse, and I sat with it

535
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: for months. I even sent to a couple of other

536
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: people to help me out, and nothing was really clicking.

537
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: And then in the last maybe like month of finishing

538
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: up the project, that song finally came through and ended

539
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: up it was close to the original way that I

540
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: had it. That's a beautiful song. It's it's short though, right, yeah,

541
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: super short, and yeah, it's really like that song I

542
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: made when I had a little bit of mushrooms one

543
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: night when I was in the studio. Yeah, people used

544
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: to be so like, shame you about mushrooms. I've been

545
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: doing mushrooms, right, go ahead, you tell your story now

546
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I've done it, like since I was

547
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: That was one thing because I don't even really smoke

548
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: weed that much or anything, but I do like shrooms,

549
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: and I do feel like I like the fact that

550
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel anything afterwards, like when it goes through

551
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: my system, I'm just fine afterward. Ye, not for sure.

552
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: And that was a night where it was I was

553
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: watching the movie Spirited Away. I had a little bit

554
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: to just like highten the little creative process, and like

555
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: I said, I got out that first portion of the song,

556
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: and then I reached a stopping point where I was like,

557
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know where I want to go next, and

558
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: then my thoughts trailed off into something else, and then

559
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: it just sat for a few months, And sometimes that's

560
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: the best way. Yeah, And then you also redid um

561
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Umi says, I thought that was a beautiful rendition of

562
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: that song because that is a really classic song. It

563
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: made me want to go back. It made me go

564
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: back and listen to most steps original version of that.

565
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: So what did he say when he hears I got

566
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: As long as I got the nod from him, I'm good. Yea, yeah,

567
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: as long as I got the nod from him, I'm good.

568
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy. He liked it. I loved it. It It was

569
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: fun to make forward slash who Ep the new album

570
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: helped me produce that one, and yeah, it's a favorite.

571
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: And during the pandemic, I know that. Um, you know

572
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: you were dealing with a lot mentally too during that time,

573
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: just seeing everything that was going on. So is that

574
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: when you decided, like I have to do things that

575
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: are that make a change. I saw you said you

576
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: felt like things. Maybe we're a little bit shallow. Yeah,

577
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think more than anything, like everybody went

578
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: through something during the pandemic, My version of it was

579
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: really holding myself accountable and realizing that, yeah, I have

580
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: this mission and I have like this idea of what

581
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I want to do for other people as far as

582
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: like my music goes. But in order to do that,

583
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: I have to do the work myself on myself, and

584
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing that work as much as I was

585
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: claiming to do that work or like making songs about

586
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: doing that work. It's like talking about it but not

587
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: really like living it as much as you can. So

588
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: I had to, like I said, start therapy, get back

589
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: into my routines, and really just like treat myself with

590
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: respect in order to get to the point where I

591
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: can be as creative as I want to be. How

592
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: do you treat yourself with respect? What does that mean?

593
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: Set a routine for yourself, stick to it as much

594
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: as you can. When you inconsistent, don't be too hard

595
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: on yourself, just pick it back up. Have the hard

596
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: conversations that you've been avoiding. Stop lying about small things.

597
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And honestly, for me, it's like I would

598
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: make things get they would feel so intense, but only

599
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: because the build up was just like irresponsible. It's like,

600
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about something that I don't want to

601
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: talk about, it might live with me for a couple

602
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: of days and then on Wednesday, I'm like, well, I

603
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: got to do this today. So if saying on Friday,

604
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: and then on Friday, I'm like, well, I'm not feeling

605
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: good today, so I say it on Monday and then

606
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: it ends up popping up on Tuesday and another way,

607
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: and now it's not a conversation anymore. It's an argument.

608
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't keep allowing like things to just

609
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: like fester and grow when I'm really just hyping it

610
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: up more than it has to be honest, Right, it's

611
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: a lot quicker sometimes when you just face things head on.

612
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: Also saying no, that things too. Sometimes it's very therapeutic, absolutely,

613
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: because I'd be trying to do everything. Yeah, don't enough,

614
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: and sometimes I got to be like, all right, I

615
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: gotta be honest. I can't. Do you have a father

616
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: saying no? It don't feel like it. It does not no,

617
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: not like I don't, I don't. I don't. What about

618
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: to your daughter, No, I mean I don't. She don't

619
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: get everything she want, but she sicks right now, Yeah,

620
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have an issue saying no to

621
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: her because she I'm I guess something. She understands the

622
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: type of parent I am. So it's not like you're

623
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: not about to get over on me. But I'm also

624
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: not about to like hurt your feelings in the process

625
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: of telling you know, like, we have good conversations and

626
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: I'll let her know if you don't like this. You

627
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: can feel it out. If you want to cry, you

628
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: can cry. If you want to go upstairs, take a break.

629
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Go take a break. When you're ready to get back

630
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: to like normals, then come on down. That's very mature.

631
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: My parents definitely never talk to me like that. It

632
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: helps you process motions and stuff too, And it's no point.

633
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a kid they're learning. I was out

634
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: at lunch one time and I was talking to my

635
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: mom and in the midst of talking to my mom,

636
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: I see her in my peripherals and I see her

637
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: like knock over a glass of water, And as she

638
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: knocks it over, I just like pick it up, and

639
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: I just keep talking to my mom while I'm cleaning

640
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: it up. And my sister's like, you didn't even like

641
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: say nothing to her. I'm like, what am I supposed

642
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: to say? Yeah, like you act like she just did.

643
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Like moments like those like just reassure me that I

644
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: am doing the right thing, and that that would have

645
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: been so much more dramatic for me as a kid.

646
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I would have went home feeling like I'm about to

647
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: move out because this lady and said the wrong thing.

648
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: Does she know you're famous? My daughter. Yeah, yeah, she do.

649
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: She hears like stuff on the radio, or she hears anytime,

650
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: like my voice is coming through the speakers and she's like,

651
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: that's Papa song or stay you know it's daddy. So

652
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: she she knows. She's been to a couple of festivals,

653
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: a couple of but I think now is probably the

654
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: most to where she is. So when I go on

655
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: this next tour, it'll probably be like the most special

656
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: as far as like her coming out. Tell us about

657
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: the tour, Oh yeah, this fall, I believe October Q

658
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: three regardless, And for me, it's a special tour because

659
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: one I am going to be playing a little bit

660
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: of guitarist time, okay, so that'll be a new element

661
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: added to the show. He I've never done instruments on stage,

662
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: but I'll be doing that. And I think this album

663
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: in general is more catered to like a live show.

664
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: I think it is a live experience. And in addition

665
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: to this album and what it is going to do

666
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: for us on the road, it'll be a combination of

667
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: free black of el and a love letter and then

668
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: get into the newest story. Yes, since I do you

669
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I was going to say, do you feel the excitement

670
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: from people because once you said it was coming out,

671
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I saw it was, and then you put out two

672
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: songs you know, right away, and people are very receptive,

673
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: loving it. The visuals too, by the way, that seems

674
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: like that's something that's really important. How involved are you

675
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: with the directions of the videos. You seem like a

676
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: hands on person. This is the most involved that I've

677
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: ever been. Like, I've always had to say so, I

678
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: always had ideas to share it, We've always figured out

679
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: everything together. But this time around, I got with this guy,

680
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Adrian Martinez, and we really just sat down and outlined

681
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: the whole entire project before it was finished. We were like,

682
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: these are the colors that we want to go with,

683
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: These are the types of pictures that we want to

684
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: take in the photo shoot. This is what we want

685
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to do for the music video. This is how we

686
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: want to gut out the tour. We outlined everything, put

687
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: it on a move board. Had however, many meetings that

688
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: we had, and now we're at the part where we

689
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: can actually see it and it's like we did that.

690
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask what's the best part of touring?

691
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: The best part of touring is seeing how the music

692
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: impacts people. Every show that I have feels like some

693
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: kind of like exchange, some kind of like almost like ceremony.

694
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not really just for fun. Like

695
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: people come out to really like get it off. And

696
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: if it's an old relationship that had them in a

697
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: bad place, they're expressing. If it's a new relationship that

698
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: makes them feel good, they're expressing. So it's always good

699
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: to just like see how it impacts people, and to

700
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: see what parts of songs like people resonate with the most,

701
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: and to see, you know, some people cry, some people laugh,

702
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: some people hug. It's hardly ever any fights, maybe like

703
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: two fights, and all the history of my shows, we'll

704
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: be asking on stage. I like, how are y'all fighting? Right? Yeah?

705
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: One time they fought during the ballot? Oh my god, sire,

706
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: I was confused. We were overseas and that's why that's

707
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: why I had nothing to do. Yeah, they were already

708
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: marching too. I'm just like y'all jumping around and there's

709
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: no drums in it. Just so how you feeling now?

710
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: You been going to therapy. You got a relationship that's

711
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: making you a better person that you feel like is

712
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: a healthy relationship, right, and you cross that line from

713
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: friendship to now relationship. That's a big responsibility on youtubebs

714
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: because going back up, yeah, no, we're good though, Like

715
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's always been like a good thing. I've

716
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: always known exactly like who I wanted to be with

717
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: and to get this everyday practice with this person specifically,

718
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: it's just been beneficial like this whole entire time, Like

719
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: there haven't been, like I said that many people to

720
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: check me and to help me out in that type

721
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: of way. So to have somebody who was already good

722
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: on their own and will always be good on their

723
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: own inspired me to want to be better on my own.

724
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, of course we make a good couple

725
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: because look at you, look at me and together, look

726
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: at us, y'are already complete. Yeah, look at us. It

727
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: was marriage something that you ever think about or is

728
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: that not for you? Yeah, we're not. Like however we

729
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: do it. Whenever we do it, there's no like crazy

730
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: weight on it, like we got to do it by

731
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: this time and in this way. I was thinking about

732
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: it the other day. I was I was thinking that

733
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I would like for my next child to be able

734
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: to be at a wedding. Okay, so that's like one idea.

735
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: I would love to have a kid there and able

736
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: to feel and see what's going on. So what age

737
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: is that, maybe like three come down that would be

738
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: the flower girl. Yeah, something like that could participate. That

739
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: would be fun. So that was one conversation out of

740
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: heart recently. We don't have like any specific way that

741
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: we have to do it. We'll try to do it

742
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: as customizing as us as we can. We Well, we

743
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: love to hear it, and I'm so glad that you

744
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: came up here and way up with Angela. Yee. Really

745
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: my first time talking to black but I'm some real

746
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of yours and so I'm really

747
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: happy for this new album. We got it like yesterday,

748
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: so we've been sitting with it. And oh and I

749
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: did want to say I love the campaign that you

750
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: did with the water Boys in Atlanta. Whose idea was

751
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: that where you had them given out on Valentine's a flowers?

752
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: The Gang LBR they are marketing masters. I'm so nice.

753
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Seawan Tuonday, Justice Carlin, like Junior, they have always been

754
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: like the driving force behind a lot of the creative

755
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: things that we've done. Together. We get in rooms and

756
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: we figure out like what's the coolest ideal and whose

757
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: idea is the weakest, and why is that week? Wow? Yeah,

758
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: we debate about it, but that's the way that you

759
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: like come up with that. It's okay, but idea it's

760
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: not good at might exactly an another plan. But that's

761
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: nice because I feel like those kids get a really

762
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: bad rap. Two. Absolutely they do. And I mean it's

763
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: been times where I've had to tell them, like, bro

764
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: back up, I got a kid in the car, don't

765
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: be walking up. But it was cool for them to

766
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: do something where it wasn't about them like getting paid,

767
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: even though you know they taken care of but they

768
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: were giving out things to people that day and it

769
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: made people feel good. And it was also a good

770
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: activation for fans to know, like, okay, music is coming back.

771
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Are you gonna do something with them again? Yeah? Absolutely, okay,

772
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: absolutely great, Right, well, we love that. This is amazing.

773
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming through. We're definitely coming

774
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: to the ty said it starts in October. Yeah, all right,

775
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm in there. I got you. We're gonna start a fight.

776
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. How can we find you

777
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: on social media show. If you want to find me, uh,

778
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: you can catch me at six L A c K.

779
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: That's everywhere on Twitter, Instagram, website, all at um. You know,

780
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: as much as I give you, don't step any further

781
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: than that. Don't ask about things that that ain't on

782
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: the table. And if you like, we gotta live. Yeah, yeah,

783
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: that's that's about it. He washes his fingers with that.

784
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Stream that, stream that by that,

785
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: buy music by music streaming. It's fun and it's great,

786
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: but but buy some of that music too, all right? Good?

787
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Anything else? Anything else? All right? Clack six lack, Thank

788
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: you so much for coming to really appreciate, you know,

789
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: for real, and congratulations on this new album. Like you said,

790
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: oh and man, the way that you start off the album.

791
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: The people are thirsty. But it felt like, did you

792
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: feel a little bit nervous to put this out or

793
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: to put out another project because it's been for a

794
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: full feature projects. It was less like I didn't feel

795
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: like nerves. It was more just like, like I said,

796
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: just a responsibility to myself to really speak to where

797
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm at in my journey and for the album to

798
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: be as honest and as current as it is for me,

799
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: and getting to that point was a little bit difficult

800
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: as far as like the creation process went, but as

801
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: far as like the people who are waiting, Um, I

802
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: do feel like I've built a core who is understanding

803
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: and patient enough to just be ready whenever I'm ready.

804
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: All right, We're ready, all right, Black, Thank you so much,

805
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: thank you. Wherea