1 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today's 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: guest is Ryan Lampers, the stealthy hunter. Him and his 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: wife Hillary run Harvest Hell. One of the guys I 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: look up to, Um growing up. You know a lot 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: of guys who do you look up to? And I 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: don't look up to this guy came from my home 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: state of Washington. To tell a little funny story about 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Ryan before I we get going back in two thousand thirteen, 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: I started seeing pictures of this long haired guy that 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: was killing. At that time, I thought animals consistently that 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be killed in Washington and shame on me. But 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: like instantly like that guy as a poacher, and then 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: and then another picture would pop up the next fall 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: or a couple. I'm like, this guy is doing something 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: wrong rather than my ego letting me feel that like 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: a guy could be this good or this successful. We're 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: putting this much work. Fast forward ten years, UM, getting 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: to know you, knowing maybe even how much more you 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: put into this and everybody else, Um, Brian Lampers, everybody, 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Appreciate it. Jason, thanks for having 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: me on here. Man. Yeah, we both come from Washington. 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: We both love hunting elk, I guess, um, even though 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: I love to tease you about the greatest animal in 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: the world to hunt, which is not ilk, right Neil 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: dere Man, come on now, Yeah, it's you know. And 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: that's one thing about Ryan. He's gotta you know. He's 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: had great success on great success on mel dear, a 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: great success on bear, really anything, and and you're so 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: humble you'll never say this, but I can say it. 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 1: Anything you've set out to accomplish, you know, hunting wise 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: or pursuit wise. Um, you've always seemed to find success. 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: And that's really why I brought you on today. I 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about number one year mindset going into 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: a hunt, Number two year expectations of the hunt, and 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: number three how you make adjustments through the hunt, throughout 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: the hunt to make sure that your goal that you 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: went into that um is accomplished. I guess and and 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: I think it's fairly methodical, fairly prescriptive. Um. But you've 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: got away. I've got to hunt with you a couple 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: of times, albeit maybe some of the worst elk hunts 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: I've been on in the reason past have been with you. 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: But I've got to hont with you kind of see 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: how you think. Um. You know, there's a lot of 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: times where you know, for instance, there's a bull, big 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: one I wanted to maybe cheat the wind in your hands, 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: like no, we gotta drop down the canyon a mile, 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: go around this ridge and then come back. And it's 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: just stuff like that, like little separators where I may 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: be willing to risk it, and so that kind of 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: factors in. But we're gonna kind of jump in. Um. 51 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: We do have one user question or from the fans, 52 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: and if you have a question of your own, you 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: can either get ahold of us on social media, you 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: can email us at ct D at Phelps Game Calls 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: dot com, send us your questions for our guests or 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: any questions you may want the guests to have. But 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: the question we have for you today, Ryan is how 58 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: do you prepare physically for a hunt? And then does 59 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: it depend on the hunt or is it more of 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: a mindset that I'm gonna be in this level of 61 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: shape because falls all he's coming again. Yeah, that's a 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: good question, um, And quick answer is it's always the same, 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, every every hunt, whether it's a um spring 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: bear hunt to um meal deer in the late season too, 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: maybe some archery stuff in September, some elk hunts. It's 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: always the same. You just kind of have to. I 67 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: like to be at my best and never have a um, 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: a wall that I can't go past. UM, never have 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: a basin too deep or a hilty steep is basically 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: how it goes. And so UM Fortunately these days, you know, 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: I get a I get a hunt throughout the year. 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: It's not just that eight weeks in the fall season. UM. 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I somehow managed to carve out these other opportunity hunts 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: for um, say, going down to Arizona in January for 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: coose deer or mule deer. Uh, spring bear. You know 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: that takes up. There's a there's six weeks there of 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: of good hunting for spring bear and getting down the mountains. 78 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: So I think, UM, I think it's always the same 79 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: short answer, always trying to beat your best physically. Uh. 80 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: And you know the hunting season never really stops. I 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: guess if you don't want it to. So you don't 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: like to challenge yourself like me every year where you 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: gotta get back in shape, you just like that keep it. 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to go I don't want to have 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: to try to regain everything lost every every time. You know. 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: A part of that is, uh, I am. I am 87 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: married to my wife, Doc hill Um Hillary, She's she 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: keeps me in shape. Man, she keeps me in check. Uh. 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: If I was to start slacking off, she'd be the 90 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: first to tell me, which I respect. I love that. Um. 91 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: And I've got two daughters, who you know. I'm forty 92 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: eight years old now, and uh, I gotta stay in 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: shape for them. My one daughter, she's thirteen. Um. You know, 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: we kind of started a little bit later than most 95 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: people with kids. We were late thirties when we had 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: our our first daughter. And uh, she's just coming into 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: her own when it comes to these hunts. So I 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: gotta stay in shape. I don't want to let it 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: go because I know how hard it is to come 100 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: back from um and uh yeah, I want to be 101 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: able to take her on some very good, hard hunts 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: where she has adversity as well. Um, and I'm able 103 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: to keep up with her. She's an animal. She can hike, 104 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: she's got long legs like me, and uh she's got 105 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: a motor So yeah, I just can't let it go. 106 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: I can't let my daughter beat me up. The hill 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: got you. Well, there's there's your tips for you know, 108 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: staying in shape physical. Now is there a regiment as 109 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: it or is it just in shape through hunting? Do 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: you you know, if you don't have a hunt coming 111 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: from month or you're gonna go hit a trail, are 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: you gonna hit the gym? Are you gonna just watch 113 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: what you eat and kind of maintain like? What what 114 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: does that? You know? Give us a two minute answer 115 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: on kind of what that system looks like. Yeah, so 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a gym rat by any stretch. We do 117 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: have a downstairs basement that has a lot of gym 118 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: stuff in it. You know, We've got the kettlebells, We've 119 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: got you know, a rowing machine, which I love doing 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: the rowing machine in the wintertime when those hikes are 121 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: really cold. Living in Montana, we got those minus temps 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: and hike your a little rough in those conditions. We 123 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: still do them, but it is nice to have that. 124 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: So just I would say the one thing that I 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: do more than anything else is hike with weight. I 126 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: think that translates the best to what we do, what 127 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: you and I do, um, you know, hiking in you're 128 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: always having pounds on your back and then obviously hiking 129 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: out heavy. Um, it's the one thing that you can 130 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: do I feel like isn't doesn't break your body down. 131 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Number one, UM can be shortened, you know, short and quick. 132 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: We've got loops around our house that we can just 133 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: throw weight on and hike around, um with the girls. 134 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: And I've got some short trips just just down the 135 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: road that we can hit a trailhead and and even 136 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: if it's just a half mile hike with weight for speed, 137 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: that really helps out. But very little gym time. Um. 138 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: We do some mountain tough workouts for sure. UM. Some 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: guys out of Bozeman put those on. They're great, and 140 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: the life does those. But overall I'd say, um, just 141 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: hiking with weight helps me the most. UM, and that's 142 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: what keeps me in shape pretty much year around. Perfect. 143 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Or once again, if you have any questions of your own, 144 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: contact us at ct D at Phelps game Calls dot 145 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: com or hit us up on social and we'll throw 146 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: your question in here. Now we're gonna jump in to 147 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of what I wanted to talk about a little bit, 148 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's more of that mental preparedness, the mindset 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: going into the hunt Um, you know you you've prepared, 150 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: your physically prepared, you've got your hunt plan, You're ready 151 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: to go now. Um. You know, we kind of always 152 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: used to joke about, you know, a tag with that 153 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: you had in a certain unit, like it wasn't good 154 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: to be a mature animal in that unit at that 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: time because you're going in with the mindset that you 156 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: don't care what adversities in your way, what roadblocks, what hurdles, 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna do what it takes um to go accomplish. 158 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, mature board during spring bar season, you know, 159 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: a mature bouldering, you know, the rut, whatever it may be. Um, 160 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: you've set that up, and so what what is that mindset? Like? 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: How do you get to that place? Can we get 162 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: in get into the head of Ryan Lampers as he's 163 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: approaching a hunt, like what what are you thinking? What 164 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: are your goals? And you know kind of what are 165 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: you gonna do to to accomplish those? Yeah? So, um, 166 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, consistent success is always the goal. And uh 167 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: that used to be you know when my teens in 168 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: my twenties, it was just that it was making sure 169 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: tags didn't go unfilled. Um, and then I think just 170 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: as we evolve, we try to get you know, a 171 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: little bit creative and add some challenge for maturity and animals. 172 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: You know, when I was in my twenties, I wasn't 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: trying to get the biggest bole in the mountain, and 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to get a mature some 175 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: mature bowl. Um. These days, having time on your side, 176 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, having ten days to carve out to go 177 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: to a hunt, you can be a little picky. So 178 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, we we have the ability to spend more 179 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 1: days in the mountain. But um, you know, overall, mindset 180 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: is whatever it takes, whatever it takes. Um, whether that 181 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: is being I mean that could mean physically, that could 182 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: mean playing the patience game. You know, sometimes patience is 183 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: your best friend up there when it comes to success. 184 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I remember in my early years, I used to zip 185 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: up to a clearing and glass it real fast on 186 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: the animals here. I'm gonna go two miles out way 187 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: and look at that clearing in the race over there, 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know animals here. I used to go 189 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: way too fast, way too fast. I just figured I 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: was gonna out work everybody else and that was going 191 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: to fill tax And it did. It worked, but nowadays 192 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: I find myself putting myself in these great positions to 193 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: glass big country and um and spend the time. So 194 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: consistent success for me has has been um finding more 195 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: patients and then also being physically fit enough to do 196 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: whatever it takes go however far it may ridges more. Yeah, 197 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: it's higher. And it's the old cliche thing that everybody says, 198 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, trying to separate yourself from others, that's always 199 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: going to be the game and the struggle, but it's 200 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: it's possible. So we get creative with with how we separate, 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: whether that's miles um, whether that's river crossings, whether that's 202 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: avoiding trailheads, those type things. It seems simple, but they 203 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: really do can separate you from from other Yeah. I 204 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: mean when you guys were on I Hope that Country Hunt, 205 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, I've seen and heard about some of the 206 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: sketchy river crossings from our our good buddy Jeff, and 207 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: you know it's like, I don't think he crossed with 208 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: you and Joe, right, He's like no, you guys, And 209 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: it's just stuff like that where it's like, all right, 210 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: maybe you're you're risking maybe you know, maybe you don't 211 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: see it as a risk. But Jeff's like, I might 212 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: have died there and then I just wasn't going across. 213 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: But one thing I do want to point out is 214 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: is you're you know, you talked about not having to 215 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: outwork everybody. There's you want to go in, you know, 216 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: with with as many tools in your toolbox. I believe 217 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: it was was it nineteen you killed the big buck 218 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: in Colorado where you sat for four days, right and 219 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: literally didn't you know, burn a calorie. I say burn 220 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: a calorie, but you didn't burn an extra calorie. You 221 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: literally just glassed a buck for four days until you 222 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: gave you the right trip. Versus this year on a 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: spring bear hunt, somebody showed up in your spot on 224 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: the first day and you decided to hike seventeen more miles. 225 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: So you've got you've got the ability to sit and 226 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: glass if needed, versus you've got the ability to hike 227 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: seventeen miles to get away from people if needed. And 228 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: and it's everything in between, and it's the compromise, you know, 229 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: it's the decisions made. Yeah, I think it's going by brail, 230 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, being able to adjust on the fly because 231 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: you know you're never gonna have a hunt go perfectly 232 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: as planned. It's very rare that that happens. UM. But 233 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: being able to adapt in these days, let's face it, 234 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys out there, so you know 235 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: there may be somebody if you if you pre scouted 236 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: this one area and you show up and there's three 237 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: guys camp there in a in a TP, you better 238 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: have backup plans. So a lot of I think our 239 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: success has been from preparation, UM, mapping out areas where 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: we don't have to have one place we're going to 241 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: head to. That place is a failure for whatever reason. Um, 242 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: we have a lot more areas abc D. It's just 243 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of other areas that we've put a lot 244 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: of time into in our scouting E scouting. UM. You 245 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: know it gets talked about a ton um, but it 246 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: is very valuable in making that hunt plan. So we 247 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: don't sit there scratching our heads. UM. When we show 248 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: up to an area and say there's some studs that 249 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: that work their way into that that spot, we will 250 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: leave it to them and go hit something. Go go 251 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: hit plan B. Yeah. Yeah, But just being able to 252 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: UM adjust on the fly, I think it's huge. You 253 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: know a lot of people get really down when one 254 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: plan doesn't work and uh, and they get in their 255 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: head and they think, well, this hunt's over as too 256 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: many people or the LK aren't talking here, and it's 257 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: just being able to stay positive. Um. One of the 258 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: one of the guys that I really like paying attention 259 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: to is Brian Barney. Um. I think we all knew 260 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: who that is. And one of the reasons Barney is 261 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: so successful is his mental look, like his mental um 262 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: outlook on everything is positive and this is a shot 263 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: time to go get another one, Like, don't let it 264 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: get you so down that you pull yourself out of 265 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: the hunt and you quit trying. You know, that's a 266 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: big part of it. So Um, you know, trying to 267 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: always remind myself to stay positive when something works out 268 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: has been a big help. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's huge 269 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: and um for a lot of people that haven't been there. 270 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: And I'm a firm believer that a lot of experience 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: will build some of this mental toughness. You've been there, 272 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: You've been in the lows of lows, You've struggled for days, 273 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: but then ultimately, you know, you push on and and 274 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: find success later in the hunt. And so I think 275 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: if you've been there and lived it, it's it's easier 276 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: for us to say, like, you know, be positive. But 277 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: if if you're a new hunter, maybe haven't struggled and 278 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: haven't found success after the struggle. Um, I think that 279 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: wears on a hunter. And and it's crazy how the 280 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: human brain works. They will do everything to tell you 281 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: why you should go back to the truck, and then 282 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: when you're in the truck, your brain will convince you 283 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: why you should you know, drive down the mountain. And 284 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: then when you get the talent, your brain says, well, 285 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: you should probably just finish driving home. You know. It's 286 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: and so it's trying to Yeah, I mean the physical 287 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: weighs in on that for sure, Like if your physical 288 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: starts to break down, then it's once again your your 289 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: mental just kind of you know. And so there's there's that, 290 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, from a lot of experience, which and I 291 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a ton of guys that were fit. 292 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's cross fit guys that are just elite athletes. Um, 293 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: but that doesn't necessarily always translate to the mental side. Um, 294 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: people can be let elite type athlete, but still not 295 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: have the fortitude to keep pushing. Like when things get tough, Um, 296 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: a lot of guys do bail out and have days left. 297 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Um you know they maybe they've scheduled out seven days 298 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: and they pull out on day. For man, that would 299 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: drive me crazy. I couldn't live with myself doing that. 300 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: So the mental, the mental side of it is huge. UM. 301 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: I think you'll find that those elite one per centers 302 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: out there, you know, the Brian Barney type guys, the 303 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: guys that are very successful year after year after year. 304 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: I pay attention to those guys and generally it's been 305 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: never quit. It's very positive. And it's the guys that 306 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: prep year round. I mean shooting a lot, um physically 307 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: challenging themselves in the off season. And I think the 308 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: physical challenges, um, that I like to do. And we 309 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: talked about the you know the backpack hiking with Waight, uh, 310 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: struggling through those and then add some really good challenges, 311 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: adding some of those miles and try to knock those 312 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: out in a day. UM. Those just tell you when 313 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: things get down that you can do it, you can 314 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: push through it. So we used to do these uh, 315 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: these death hikes, you know, Um, those things were hard, 316 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, they were very hard, but you have to 317 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: get them done. And those are things that you can 318 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: look back on when you're actually hunting and say, well 319 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: I got through that. I just like the hundred miles 320 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: in three days. I can do this. If you're six 321 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: of that, you know, you know, or you're I'm not 322 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: even you know, half as tired as I was at 323 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: that point, or you know it didn't go which is 324 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: easy to So do you feel that the elite, you know, 325 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: the one percent you were just talking about, can that 326 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: be learned trained into or do you think a little 327 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: bit that comes from like just what you were born 328 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: with like or can you teach yourself to be that, 329 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, both mental and physical? You know, get to 330 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: that mental and physical level. I think it's I think 331 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: you can. I think you can work yourself up to 332 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: be as mentally tough as you want to be. Um, 333 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: but it's gonna suck, right. I think there's some people 334 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: that are born with it. Some guys are just tougher 335 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: than others, let's face it. But if you want to 336 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: be that guy, I see no reason why you can't 337 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: be if if you really want it bad enough. Um. 338 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's I think it's one of 339 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: those things that you have to build up to. UM. 340 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: Do hard things. That's it. That's the cliche, right, do 341 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: hard things and in the end you're gonna be able 342 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: to UM basically accomplish a lot and not get pulled 343 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: out of the mountains. And that's the goal, is to 344 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: keep pushing UM. And that's that's been a big help 345 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: for us, Yeah, for sure. And that you know, I'm 346 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: I'm not near the physical shape you guys are, But 347 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: that's one thing where my mental toughness never looks at 348 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: like physical endurance or like physical struggle is like a 349 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: reason to give up, Like I just I just put 350 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: a roadblock up, like you just because you're tired, Like yeah, 351 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 1: you can wait, but you're gonna stay in the mountains 352 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: and stay in the game, stay hunting UM. And then 353 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: one thing I want to point out that you said 354 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: on a New Mexico l Country we had a lot 355 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: of time during the We had twenty minutes of biggling 356 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: in the morning and twenty minutes at night, and we 357 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: had the rest of the day to talk UM is 358 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: don't ever let yourself slow down, like if you're doing 359 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: trail a and you did it in an hour on 360 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: the first day, you better at least do it in 361 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: fifty nine minutes and fifty nine seconds the next day. 362 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: And at that point you're never going backwards, right, You're 363 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: only ever improving. So yeah, I started to implement some 364 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: of that. Is it's tough. There's days where I'm like, man, 365 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if i can keep up with you know, 366 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: level seven for ten minutes, level eight for ten and 367 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: then go back to seven and then you know, the 368 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: next day like click another eid over. But you know, 369 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: on the stairs to climber, if you just always make 370 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: that that concentrated effort to at least you know, keep 371 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: in your head, don't ever let yourself go under that time, 372 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, don't ever let yourself slack. It's easy to 373 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: do UM because, like I mentioned, with the with the 374 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: hikes that we do, sometimes they're with weight, sometimes they're 375 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: without UM, but we always time it and we always 376 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: make sure they we beat it. It might be just 377 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: by a few seconds, but it just makes you push yourself, 378 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: it really does. And it's a your mind is It's 379 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: crazy how it works. And if you have that going 380 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: into every little training session that you do. Um, whether 381 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: that's you can compete with yourself or you can have 382 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: a buddy that does the same hike in times himself. 383 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: We're all competitive. We don't want to lose, so it's 384 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: always just making sure that you better your previous time. UM. 385 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: I think that's that's just kind of what you know 386 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: elete cross fitters and those mountain tough guys do as well. 387 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, they never they never let themselves get out 388 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: of shape. I wanna roll back to that. In New 389 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Mexico hunt we were on last year and one of 390 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: the things I noticed is, you know a lot of 391 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: times we use hunting partners. You know, there might be 392 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: a time where hunting partner gets down, the other one 393 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: picks him up. Versus if you go out there with 394 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: hunting partner that you know, when you're down, takes you 395 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: down with him and then you're you're out. One thing, 396 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, hunting with you We struggled like there you 397 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: showed up on day two. Um, we got our butts 398 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: kicked for what seven days until we had something work 399 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: out right on on the morning of the eighth day, 400 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: and then you know it didn't or the night of 401 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: the eighth day. But one thing you never mentioned like 402 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: we weren't gonna get it done, like I feel every 403 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: morning we woke up, I think me and you both 404 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: honestly thought that that was when it was gonna happen. 405 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: And when it didn't happen in the morning, like in 406 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: the middle of the day, like we just have to 407 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: sit here by our time and we're gonna kill him 408 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: right before dark. Well, day it didn't happen, and it 409 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: was you know, well, it doesn't have to be a partner. 410 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I wanna like talk about that mindset 411 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: that even though we have been getting our butts kicked 412 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: day in and day out, we honestly felt that every 413 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: new scenario, every new morning, every new day, was a 414 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: time that it was gonna happen. And I can't stress 415 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: enough that I approach every hunting day. And if I 416 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: don't feel that way, then I should probably read. You know, 417 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: we talked about hunt plans all the time. You should 418 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: refigure out your hunt plan, because your hunt plan should 419 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: somewhere have you killing an animal that first morning in 420 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: or that first night in and and I don't go 421 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: out there expecting anything less. Yeah, we've been there enough 422 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: times that it is probably not gonna happen on the 423 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: first day. We gotta do some exploring. But during that exploring, 424 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: like I'm going out there with the intent, like you know, 425 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: your your guns loaded, you're ready to shoot your bow. 426 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna happen on that first night or morning. And 427 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: that was one thing I noticed hunting with you, like 428 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: we never neither of us ever thought it just wasn't 429 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It was just becoming more difficult than we wanted. 430 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: The bulls weren't cooperating, but we were in him every 431 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: day we were doing you know what we thought, um 432 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's an important thing to say 433 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: to new elk hunters, right. I think if you've done 434 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: enough elk hunting, um had some success over an extended 435 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: amount of time, you realize it can happen at any point, 436 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: Like it can be the slowest of weeks and the 437 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: slowest of days, and then five minutes later you got 438 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: a bull down at your feet. You know it's just elk, 439 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: especially it happens so fast. And uh, I think when 440 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: you've seen that play out, whether it's with yourself or 441 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: with others, you just you just know, like um man, 442 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: no reason to get down. It could happen a day, 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: It could happen in the morning, it could happen the 444 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: very last minute of the last day, like it did 445 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: with us. Um. I know, going into these hunts, I 446 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: never you know, we we carve out a lot of 447 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: ten day hunts. That's that's always my My goal is 448 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: if I can carve out ten days. I know that's 449 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: not reasonable for a lot of folks, but I always 450 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: expect to find something on that tenth day. Like the 451 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: tenth day has been so good, Um, ninth or tenth day. 452 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable how many trips have come down to the 453 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: very very end. And I can't explain. Why is it 454 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that you've just learned it so many you finally figured 455 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: it out at the very end, um or you put 456 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more push in the very at the 457 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: very end, which we had to do on our New Mexican. 458 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: It was like a we gotta make this happen, whatever 459 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: it takes, and we made it happen. And that's on 460 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: that tenth day. You know, I get bored occasionally and 461 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: go flip through my iPhone and you know, look at 462 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: Apple Fit or whatever it is, and oh, how come 463 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: on the last day, we hiked twice as high, you know, 464 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: and if we would and it's not that we didn't 465 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: have the right mindset, because you wouldn't. You're the type 466 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: of guy that would just coax me into climbing a 467 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: different mountain. We thought we were doing what we needed 468 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 1: to to be successful because they were out there, they 469 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: were betted we were sitting on them. But that last 470 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: day we just you know, we had a little bit 471 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: of information from Dirk. We knew where we thought that 472 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: bowl would be, and we just came in from a 473 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: completely different area and we just motored up um. And 474 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: And that's one thing. One other thing I want to 475 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: mention is, you know, a lot of times it seems 476 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: like on that last day, whether it's we either figured 477 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: it out or as hunters, it's weird that we will 478 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: do things more correctly or more with more caution or 479 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: more effort on the day. It's like it up on 480 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: the last day. But why don't we approach maybe sometimes 481 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: approached the day to stock like that. Why didn't we 482 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: put that much effort in on day two? Was that 483 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: we didn't have figured out Maybe we thought we were 484 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: gonna get an easier one, Like if you put that 485 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: effort in on every day, UM, you may find more 486 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: success and that, you know, the last stock where you're 487 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: taking your shoes off versus maybe you know days two 488 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: or three stock you didn't take your shoes off, And yeah, 489 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I don't know. I don't know why the 490 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: mindset where you pay more attention on that. But there's 491 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 1: always a little bit of franic like you're you're willing 492 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: to do whatever. And I keep saying that, but um, 493 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: you're willing to go where you haven't looked. You're willing 494 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: to just do whatever and go as far as it 495 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: takes down to the last minute. Um. And we saw 496 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: that play out, and I've seen that play out so 497 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: many times. Um on that on that end day. And 498 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: there's trips where it's like, you only have five days 499 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: to go do this hunt and it ends up happening 500 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: on the fifth day. You just give it a little 501 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: extra I think, and I think experience. You know, that's 502 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: where a lot of hunters can get down after say 503 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: a miss or a blown stock or a blown call 504 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: in situation and they're like, oh, that's just gonna be 505 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: my only chance. I just might as well go home. 506 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get another crack like that. That was 507 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: a gimme and it got blown up. Well, you can't 508 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: think like that. You have to expect that there's gonna 509 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: be another opportunity. And that last that last day as 510 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: a perfect example of it, because we went up there, 511 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: we could hear the bulls being on off the back side, 512 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: and then that one decided to come from a long 513 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: ways across the canyon. Well, we called him all the 514 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: way to us, remember, and then he busted us somehow 515 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: we reset we heard him bugle. He was, I mean, 516 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: he was within eyesight, and to be honest, I was 517 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: a little bit like, uh, last night we maybe got 518 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: an hour left, like what can we do? We kind 519 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: of take a different way off the mountain. We're gonna 520 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: come down to different ridge. And we walked up and uh, 521 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: I think we either heard some cows, we bust some 522 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: cows in a bowl, bugle to right away, and we 523 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: got right back on him. And so if you have 524 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: just like put your head down decided like you know, 525 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: it's all over, I'm gonna hike out the same ridge 526 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: versus us taking a different way. That wasn't the end 527 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: of like our our struggle either, because now we bumped 528 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: these elk Um he kept biggling and you know we 529 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: ran into other hunters. It gave us one more opportunity 530 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: before we head back to the vehicle, Like we took 531 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: it down to the last minutes of daylight. Yeah, and 532 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: you know that was one of those situations where we 533 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: just decided to me keeping them busy and not putting 534 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: and then you sneaking in on him. Um it worked great. 535 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: But but you know, as far as persistence in keeping 536 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: you know, on track of what we accomplished, because it 537 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: was it was just one of those wishbone ridges where 538 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: we could have went left or we could have went right, 539 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: and if we went right, we would have just like 540 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: may we're done. We could have just easily walked out 541 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: into Mexico without you killing the bull versus let's a 542 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: little a little bit longer walk back the truck to hey, 543 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: this little flat ridge looks pretty good. Sure, as you know, 544 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: ran right into elk and then we're ultimately able to 545 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: to kill that bull. But it was kids, like it 546 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: was classic, like we just we just I feel like 547 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: we kept our head in the game and we I mean, 548 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: I've fully expected I think you probably heard me on 549 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: that last day, fully expected to get a bull on 550 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: that day, um, as tough as it was, and even 551 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: even our kind of are busted morning that didn't quite 552 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: work out like we thought it was going to. And 553 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: now we're mid day and it's it's like we're now 554 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: we're moving over here and we're gonna hike up to 555 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: that top and getting very little calling in. Um, and 556 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: yet I still felt like we got a shot, like 557 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: we gotta we still got a chance here, and UM, 558 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: I think that's you know, we just kept pushing and 559 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: pushing in in the end came away with a field tag. 560 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. It was a good hunt. So 561 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: I do want to talk a little bit where we're at. Um, 562 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: we're here at the Western Hunting Summit, which you put 563 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 1: you and your wife and your team. Um, you know, 564 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: a bunch of great experts come in you Joel Turner, 565 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: Brian Barney. Yeah, I mean you bring in a great 566 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: group and it's really I think it's kind of, you know, 567 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: the ultimate uh you know, kind of show of what 568 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: people think of you. You know, you're whether you you 569 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: are here on a podcast, but you meet you in person, 570 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: You're very quiet, don't talk a lot but yet just 571 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: kind of leading by example and and putting you know, 572 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: people want to come see what what Ryan Lamper's is 573 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: Western Hunting Summit looks like. And uh so we're here. 574 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: It's it's been a great week. But can tell us 575 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Western Hunting Summit and what 576 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: you hope to accomplish out of that. And I think 577 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: you're in your second year and it doesn't look like 578 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: it's going to slow down at all. Moving. Yeah, I know, 579 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: it's been great and actually in our fourth year now, 580 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: we've been doing it for four years. Um. I think 581 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: this is our tenth event this year somewhere around there, 582 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: and we've got two more after this one. So um yeah, 583 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: just a brief about it. It's it's a four day 584 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: event and my wife got this hair brained idea four 585 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: years ago to put it on. Um. I used to 586 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: be heavy into those Trained Hunt events, you know, and 587 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: we had this great community surrounding us and Trained Hunt 588 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: and we used to compete in those I love the 589 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: group of people that we got to know. Some of 590 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: my best friends came from that. Just like a hunting 591 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: spartan race, you know, is what it is if you 592 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard of it, and uh and we 593 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: fell in love with the crowd of the community hunters 594 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: that really like to push themselves, and from that we 595 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: wanted to do something. Trained to Hunt kind of went 596 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: away for a while. So we were like, man, we 597 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: want to keep doing this thing. And so we thought, 598 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, we'd get all these experts, the Phelps type guys, 599 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: you got to come in and educate people, and uh 600 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: so we got a great group of presenters. Um and 601 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: in the beginning, we wanted to do mostly education for 602 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: guys to cut the learning curve for so many new 603 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: hunters that want to get into this Western style hunting. 604 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: We wanted to really put it, put a place together 605 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: where we can answer an in all questions for people 606 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: that had them. Now, since the it's evolved, we do 607 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: a lot of education obviously, but it's there's a lot 608 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: of entertainment as well. You know, now we have these 609 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: overnight heikes. We were able to take guys up and 610 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: glass off mountain and you know, you and and Cody Wilson, 611 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, we're heading up the mountain tonight and we're 612 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: gonna do some calling sessions up there and just you know, 613 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: really get guys like this this live action, like they're 614 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: gonna actually see what we do in the mountain. UM. 615 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: So we we just try to uh make it a 616 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: good time, entertaining, educational, great community of people. We'll make 617 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: lifelong lifelong friends at this event as well. Um. Surprisingly 618 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: we have a very large return rate. But we never 619 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: thought we were gonna see when we first started doing this, 620 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: but right here in Montana, UM, we've got a huge 621 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: ranch that we work off now where we have access 622 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: to take guys out and really show them the nuts 623 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: and bolts of Western hunting. And it's been a lot 624 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, in my opinion, you know, my first 625 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: time here. We've had Cody here in the past representing 626 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: polps and and whatnot. I I feel that, you know, 627 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: they can read an article that you could write or 628 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: I could write, and and they're not gonna get out 629 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: of it. They're getting here, you know, hands on, we're 630 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna hike up the mountain and teach them, you know, 631 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: maybe where they should glass first thing in the morning, 632 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: where we think where we would expect to find out, 633 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, and and that that goes a lot farther 634 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: than than reading in a in a magazine article where 635 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: we where we tell them they should glass or where 636 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: we think they should glass. It's like we're gonna see 637 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: the elk. We're gonna see the bear of the deer. 638 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: And and this is why we would sit here, and 639 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: this is why we would look where we're gonna love 640 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: and I love it. Yeah, and it is. It's like 641 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: that one on one time. So we gotta literally sit 642 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: with these folks up on a mountain glass and creators. Um. 643 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: We're in a place where there's a lot of bears 644 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: and deer and elk and uh, and have those conversations 645 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: with them so they can bounce questions off of all 646 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: of us. And that's what we really like to do. 647 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: And uh, from the surveys, that's what people really enjoy 648 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: is having those conversations, even aside from the presentations, UM, 649 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: where we just get to sit down and and and 650 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: go through any and all questions that they have. And 651 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: that's the goal. And when they get here, we tell 652 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: them to make sure every question you have we want 653 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: to answer it. UM. Find one of these guys that 654 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: are here to do just that and get him aside 655 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 1: from the presence and talk to them. Tick their brains, 656 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: learn how to elk call better, learn how to hunt 657 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: elk better or mule deer or whatever it is they're 658 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: here for. And um, that's what it's evolved into. And 659 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: so yeah, I think there's a lot more valuable information 660 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: when you get to talk to a none of us 661 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: like to be called experts, but when you get to 662 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: talk to Jason Phelps one on one about what exactly 663 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: he would do in this situation looking at that bowl 664 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: on that ridge, Um, I feel like the information is valuable, 665 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: they get. Yeah. I mean because I can give them 666 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: real life feedback. I can take my thousands and thousands 667 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: of times I made the wrong decision and the few 668 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: times I made the right decision and put it into 669 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: like my answer, and you know, and then we'll explain 670 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: to him like, you know, the win, what's it doing 671 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: time of day? You know, why we wouldn't maybe make 672 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: this approach or you know why I would maybe do this, 673 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: But then why Ryan would take the cautious and he's 674 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: going to hike at that was and feet up and 675 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: over this ridge and drop it, you know, And we 676 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: can give different scenarios and where we feel like if 677 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: you did that, you know, the failed point is going 678 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: to be here, you know, And and I it's a 679 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: really good camp and I'm excited to be here. And UM, 680 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: I just I feel that you're able to see these 681 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: people and their questions that they're coming up with. UM, 682 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: get their own personal question and they might be embarrassed 683 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: to ask any other way, like they're just coming up 684 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: and asking. And it's a great event. So yeah, and again, 685 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: I am an introvert, so I hate doing these presentations. 686 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm not the guy that stands up there and gives 687 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: all this great information. But I don't mind side a side, 688 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, conversations where there's two or three guys I 689 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: can handle. That's standing in in front of a group 690 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: of folks. That really gets me. All right, well we're 691 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: gonna close us up. I don't want to take too 692 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: much time at your own event here. UM. If you 693 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: could give the listeners a single tip to be more 694 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: successful UM in the Elk Woods, what would it be? 695 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: Find a mentor. UM, Find somebody that's done it and 696 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: has a more experience than you do, and either saddle 697 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: up to them if they're willing to take you, or 698 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: try to get into some deep conversations about what they've 699 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: learned from when they started UM to where they are 700 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: now and I that's what's helped me. I've had great 701 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: mentors in my life, people that took the time to 702 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: share great information that cut the learning curve um and 703 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: it it really helped me a lot. I'm gonna and 704 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: you might know the answer this since you're not in 705 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: this position, but you probably get people asking as somebody 706 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: that's looking for a mentor, like rather than just be 707 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: the guy that randomly messages somebody out of the blue, 708 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: you're most like you can get to know like do 709 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: you have a good approach? Like are there are there 710 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: steps to becoming you know, getting the hunt with And 711 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna hate me for this, like honey with 712 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Lampers, Like what were your steps? You're probably pretty full, 713 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: your plates pretty full, and it's tough, but you you 714 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: can find other people like what would be the steps 715 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: so that you're not just like shotgunning emails to rent 716 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: and you know it's like there's gonna be a process 717 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: of building. Yeah, that's a tough question. Um, I guess 718 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: come to a Western hunt and sing and talk to 719 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Phelps. I don't know, no, I think, uh, 720 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, I see a lot of questions on social 721 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: media honestly, and um I am. I try to be 722 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: as good with my time as possible and really try 723 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: to answer those questions because I know there's a lot 724 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: of people that are really struggling to find those mentors. Um, 725 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: but you do, I feel like with social as much 726 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: as we like to say we hate it, it does 727 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: offer opportunity to find people who are willing to talk 728 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: to you. Um. I know a lot of the guys 729 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: that I invite here to present are very good with 730 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: their time. They love answering questions, whether it's an event 731 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: like this or through social They'll take the time to 732 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: give a realistic answer, not just a three line. Yeah, 733 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: that's a great tip, and I agree. Um, you know, 734 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: we you had a great mentor. I kind of cut 735 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: my teeth on on learning this all my own because 736 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: back then there weren't a lot of people teaching how 737 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: to call nobody I knew. I knew how to call 738 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: Elk and um, I think you know, spending you know, 739 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: a year in the Elk Woods with you or somebody 740 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: that knew what they were doing would have greatly reduced that. 741 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't trade it for the world because I 742 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: got to learn all the wrong ways not to do 743 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, I find it. A mentor I think 744 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: is a great tip because I mean, you're gonna learn 745 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: whatever that person has learned over the last twenty thirty 746 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: years in one year, and then you're gonna see how 747 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: it's done. You're gonna see an approach versus you out 748 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: there randomly guessing like is this what I'm supposed to 749 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: do this? Or this magazine article said I should probably 750 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: do this here. Well, we grew up in an area 751 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: where there weren't podcasts, right, and there is so much 752 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: great information in these podcasts now, and so even without 753 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: a mentor, you can really cut the curve by listening 754 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: to these these um you know, these podcasts that are 755 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: dedicated to tips and tactics and strategies and things like that. 756 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: Um Jesus videos where you can learn a lot if 757 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: you pay attention to what they're actually doing in there. 758 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: I got a lot of people that show up to 759 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: these events and um, they've got a lot of their 760 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: information from just that podcast, social media, and they're pretty sharp. 761 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: They don't have the experience, but that will come, but 762 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: they have the gist on how to do it, and 763 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: that's a great starting point. So maybe they don't get 764 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: that that crusty old seven year old elk hunter mentor 765 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: like I got. But um, these days we're blessed to 766 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: have all this free information for folks that they can 767 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: have really have their fingertips. Ye, and then just going 768 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,479 Speaker 1: out and implementing it, which the mentor kind of shows 769 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: you how to implement it versus you know, reading it 770 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: or hearing it, and then it's going out and put 771 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: it into use and making it, making it work for you. 772 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: So well, I really appreciate having your Ryan. We'll let 773 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: you get back to the Western Hunting Summit and we're 774 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: about ready to hike our butts up two thousand feet 775 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: up a mountains, so this is gonna be fun. Yeah, 776 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: we're taking off here in about thirty minutes, hiking up 777 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: to the top a couple of thousand feet of vertical camping, 778 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: and then we're three D shooting or way down. This 779 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: is where this whole like getting shape not in shape 780 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: is going to come back to Biden. But we'll be fine. 781 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: It's only ninety degree now, it shouldn't be bad. It'll 782 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: be good. So I appreciate you having me. Yes, thanks 783 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in. Um, before I forget, where can 784 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: people find out more? I know, Harvest Hill, stealthy Hunter. 785 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: Let people know how to get ahold of you? Yeah, 786 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: so many ways. I guess, Uh, the Western Hunting Summit, 787 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: we got a website there. But then yes, Healthy Hunter 788 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: on the old I g. And then Hunt Harvest Health 789 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: got a website over there where my wife does a 790 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: lot with food and health and all the things. And 791 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: then we've got our podcast as well, same Hunt Harvest 792 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: so perfect. Well, I appreciate having your rane. Let's let's 793 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: go get our bags packed and excited. All right, thank you, 794 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: m