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Speaker 1: making every moment more during Super Bowl fifty seven. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome to our Friday morning podcast, Nick Wright. We
Speaker 1: bring on Nick about once a month and it's always
Speaker 1: as funny and smart of thirty minutes as we have.
Speaker 1: I thought I'd rant for about ten minutes on something
Speaker 1: that I normally wouldn't waste time on for radio or
Speaker 1: FS one, But you know, this is why I have
Speaker 1: this podcast company. So I saw this story today and
Speaker 1: it's a story that's been simmering and been discussed a
Speaker 1: lot in the last two weeks on the interweb. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean anything because Tony Romo makes seventeen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year guaranteed. But Andrew Marshan on his podcast,
Speaker 1: a New York Post radio TV critic media critic had
Speaker 1: said that CBS was getting concerned about Tony Romo's sort
Speaker 1: of unconventional style, undisciplined style, and there's been slippage with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo. My takeaway was for no other reason than
Speaker 1: because I don't talk a lot of media. But I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for thirty years, and I thought this
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing. I think for the audience, it's
Speaker 1: kind of instructive. So when you get out of the
Speaker 1: NFL or NBA or any sport, but let's talk NFL
Speaker 1: and Tony Romo, who I think does a fine job.
Speaker 1: I've never already bought into the hype. I thought predicting
Speaker 1: plays was kind of silly and overrated. It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: The media freaked out. I don't care. That's not why
Speaker 1: I watch you to predict plays. I look for insight
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't get interviews, I wouldn't get information I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get elsewhere. And that's why I think Greg Olsen,
Speaker 1: by the way, is crushing at Fox. So when you
Speaker 1: first get out of the league, your first year or two,
Speaker 1: you're generally the most familiar with the league, but the NFL.
Speaker 1: Two things are happening. Number One, there's younger general managers
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and they are trading players without a concern.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the average NFL career, which
Speaker 1: is about four years, the league turns over about every
Speaker 1: three to four years. So a guy like Romo can
Speaker 1: come out of football have a real understanding of the personnel,
Speaker 1: the rosters, the coordinators, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: some of those coordinators leave, go to different places, go
Speaker 1: to college football. The rosters turnover three or four years later,
Speaker 1: and you really have to do your homework. And the
Speaker 1: knock on Romo, and I'll get to this more in
Speaker 1: a second, is that he doesn't really put the time in.
Speaker 1: So networks get really, really frustrated when they pay you
Speaker 1: a fortune, they put you on their number one event,
Speaker 1: and you're not prepared. So Romo makes seventeen million a year,
Speaker 1: that's been reported. And if you consider that Jim Nance
Speaker 1: talks for more than half of the broadcast, sideline reports, commercials,
Speaker 1: the game itself, Romo's probably talking for twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: once a week. They want you to be really, really
Speaker 1: dialed in for that twenty five minutes. I'm on the
Speaker 1: air fifteen hours a week ad libbing with no game,
Speaker 1: just talking. You're gonna make mistakes. Charles Barkley, By the way,
Speaker 1: it doesn't follow half the league. When the Lakers made
Speaker 1: a acquisition or a trade recently for a wing from
Speaker 1: the Wizards, Shack had never heard of him. He covers
Speaker 1: the NBA. So Shack Barkley Television's entertainment Harry Kerry was
Speaker 1: a legend. He was drunk on the air at various times.
Speaker 1: But football is different. You get twenty million viewers. It
Speaker 1: really is the most important broadcast singular three and a
Speaker 1: half hours weekly for networks. And if they're paying you
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars and you're talking about twenty minutes a week,
Speaker 1: they want you to be dialed in. I always had
Speaker 1: this theory that and I use this for years when
Speaker 1: I would interview people and I was going to hire them,
Speaker 1: if I had lunch or coffee with him, I always
Speaker 1: asked him if they loved golf, Oh, I love golf.
Speaker 1: Do you love golf? And if they said yes, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't hire him because I always had this theory that
Speaker 1: as guy's age. Many of them get addicted to golf.
Speaker 1: They're on pgatour dot com. They're putting in the backyard,
Speaker 1: they're thinking about it at work, they're scheduling a trip
Speaker 1: to Scotland, and they lose sight of their other job.
Speaker 1: Romo wants to be on the tour. He literally wants
Speaker 1: to be on the tour. I mean, what's the first
Speaker 1: thing Aaron Rodgers does in the offseason. He goes in golfs.
Speaker 1: He loves it both by the way, great golfers, especially Romo.
Speaker 1: But I've always felt like Tony Romo is one of
Speaker 1: those guys, and we all have somebody on our social
Speaker 1: circle like this. They got the golf bug. He's had
Speaker 1: it for fifteen years. Tony wants to be on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, but he likes to paycheck at CBS. And
Speaker 1: I don't think he does a bad job. I think
Speaker 1: he's fine. I think initially Romo was overvalued with predicting plays.
Speaker 1: That's not why you know. I mean, if he did
Speaker 1: it once in a while, it'd be great, But that's
Speaker 1: not why I'm watching you. But when you're only talking
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes a week on the biggest broadcast, for
Speaker 1: a network where they pay billions of dollars annually. They
Speaker 1: want you to be dialed in. And I'm never going
Speaker 1: to criticize somebody because they slip a word up or
Speaker 1: you know, mispronounce a name. Live TV is really easy
Speaker 1: for people who've never done it. Romo and Jim nance
Speaker 1: have producers in their ears and directors in their ears,
Speaker 1: and they've got action and they've got ads to read.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. But when I listen to Greg Olsen,
Speaker 1: he sounds like he's been studying for that three hours
Speaker 1: for six days. Romo sounds like sometimes and he's entertaining.
Speaker 1: He's winging it. And again, I think Barkley and Shack
Speaker 1: wing it. But the NFL is different, and people love
Speaker 1: Barkley and Shack, but it's the NBA. There's eighty two games.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't matter. They're on the air for hours
Speaker 1: every week. Nobody's losing any sleep if they don't know something.
Speaker 1: I mean again, they make fun of Barkley not knowing
Speaker 1: players in the NBA. But those NFL windows man, those
Speaker 1: analyst jobs, those networks don't want to pay those guys
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars a year, so they sit there with
Speaker 1: a microscope and you make a mistake or they think
Speaker 1: you're not putting in the work, they're gonna leak stuff.
Speaker 1: This stuff gets out by the way. Marshand said, CBS
Speaker 1: attempted an intervention that only gets out because CBS wants
Speaker 1: it out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Romo's
Speaker 1: agent calls CBS and asks for CBS to release a
Speaker 1: statement denying the report. Wouldn't shock me. Before I get
Speaker 1: to Nick Wright, because we'll debate this story. Nick has
Speaker 1: a belief that when Lebron James breaks Kareem Abdul Jabbar's
Speaker 1: all time NBA scoring record, that we really aren't giving it.
Speaker 1: It's just due that we're not giving it the momentous
Speaker 1: appreciation that it deserves. And I think it's not because
Speaker 1: we don't respect Lebron James. I've felt this with Brady
Speaker 1: and Lebron the last several years. I believe they've been
Speaker 1: so great for so long, there is fatigue. And part
Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan's popularity is that he left the sport
Speaker 1: and returned, so his career had multiple stories. College Michael
Speaker 1: early can't beat the Piston Celtics. Michael gets Pippin becomes
Speaker 1: the King, Baseball returns, loses to Orlando, eventually wins three more,
Speaker 1: then breaks up SIA Wizards. The book had multiple chapters.
Speaker 1: Lebron didn't have a college career. Lebron was great very quickly.
Speaker 1: Lebron changed a couple of teams. But he's been the
Speaker 1: best player, arguably for fifteen years in the league. There
Speaker 1: isn't this arc, these disappearances, Baseball return different story arc
Speaker 1: in Chicago, battling constantly with his GM. Basically, Lebron has
Speaker 1: been great for fifteen years. He's changed teams, but finals, finals, finals, finals, finals, finals.
Speaker 1: Once he started getting to him, he went back to
Speaker 1: him for almost a decade straight. And so there hasn't
Speaker 1: been a lot of swings to Lebron's career. Great early, great,
Speaker 1: middle with titles, still great, with one title with a
Speaker 1: dysfunctional Lakers, and so and I felt this with Brady.
Speaker 1: Brady was great early, there was a gap when he
Speaker 1: didn't win championships. He was still great, and then it
Speaker 1: was great late in New England, and it was really
Speaker 1: great in Tampa, and then he retires. Where are the swings?
Speaker 1: The story arcs Brett Farve was problem early then he
Speaker 1: was great, pushed out by Aaron, goes to the Jets,
Speaker 1: goes to the Vikings. You know, there's a lot of arcs,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different storylines. I think Lebron and
Speaker 1: Brady were so great early and so great often the
Speaker 1: new cycle. We're always looking for the new thing, the
Speaker 1: exciting thing, the controversial thing. It's not intentional. It's the
Speaker 1: reality of John Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen. It's new.
Speaker 1: Everybody likes new, the new restaurant in town, the new club.
Speaker 1: And I think when you're great early, great in the middle,
Speaker 1: great at the end. I mean Tom Brady set two
Speaker 1: NFL records at forty five years old. Pass attempts and
Speaker 1: past completions, is that, you know. It's like when Martin
Speaker 1: Scorre says he has a new movie. He was great early,
Speaker 1: he was great with Good Fellas, he was great with
Speaker 1: the Irishman. Everything's great. It's like Spielberg, when wasn't he great?
Speaker 1: Everything he puts out is phenomenal. So we don't talk
Speaker 1: about him as much. Doesn't mean they don't think Spielberg
Speaker 1: is one of the most remarkable creative geniuses in the
Speaker 1: history of Hollywood. But when Quentin Tarantino came out, it
Speaker 1: was like he got ten times to press. He was new,
Speaker 1: he was unique, pulp fiction. Who is this guy? So
Speaker 1: not that anybody's a victim, Brady Lebron Spielberg of their success,
Speaker 1: but the media gets bored and I'm guilty of it too.
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Speaker 1: dot in West Virginia. When I started in this business,
Speaker 1: opinion was rare um. When I first started in this business.
Speaker 1: There was no national sports talk radio. Rome was the
Speaker 1: first to make it, and then now it's exploded. Opinion
Speaker 1: now dominates cable TV. Opinion is where the money is. Eight.
Speaker 1: I was a local sportscaster, and I had a fine
Speaker 1: career as a local sportscaster. But when opinion became more influential,
Speaker 1: driving revenue in ratings, my career exploded. I didn't get
Speaker 1: more talented, I got more opportunities. So Andy Reid enter
Speaker 1: this league. When you could grab his receivers, his receivers
Speaker 1: could be crushed over the middle of the fielding you
Speaker 1: could drive his quarterbacks into the turf. They were always hurt.
Speaker 1: And then it changed. Then the league, due to safety
Speaker 1: CTE safety regulations, has now given all the rules not
Speaker 1: to Belichick's side, to Andy's side, and to Andy. Andy
Speaker 1: was always always as good or better than Belichick, but
Speaker 1: his industry was built against him. And now finally there's
Speaker 1: even footing or advantage Andy and he is separating from Belichick. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: I do think that we're all belichick credit is. I
Speaker 1: do think he has a better grasp on the coaching
Speaker 1: minuchet that drives me nuts, the clock management, the challenge
Speaker 1: stuff in a way that Andy still struggles with at times.
Speaker 1: But holistically, I think it's one hundred percent correct. And
Speaker 1: I had on Thursday, I had Mahomes on the TV show,
Speaker 1: and I kept every time I talked about the Chiefs
Speaker 1: being disrespected, the chief, super Bowl window, any of these things.
Speaker 1: Now and listen, he's a brand and he knows, you know,
Speaker 1: how to handle himself. His love for Andy Reid popped
Speaker 1: off the screen. He said. When I asked him, did
Speaker 1: it seem like the national media was ready to turn
Speaker 1: the page from the Chiefs and love the Bills or
Speaker 1: the Bengals or the Chargers prematurely? What he said was,
Speaker 1: I think as long as we have Andy Reid, we
Speaker 1: should be the favorites like that, And so he that
Speaker 1: relationship there. Andy's, by the way, not a young man anymore.
Speaker 1: And no one, our mutual friend Danny Parkins made this point.
Speaker 1: I think it was smart. He said, no one is
Speaker 1: discussing is Andy Reid retiring if they win this Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He's obviously dealt with personal tragedy. He you know, he's
Speaker 1: done it. He's a Hall of Famer all these things.
Speaker 1: And what Danny's point was is and it's because everyone's like,
Speaker 1: why would he retire? He is Patrick Mahomes. They're gonna
Speaker 1: continue to dominate. He can climb. He's three wins away
Speaker 1: Colin from being fourth all time in regular season wins.
Speaker 1: He's already now second all time in playoff wins. He's
Speaker 1: going to have a claim as the second greatest coach
Speaker 1: of this era of football. I think he already has
Speaker 1: that claim. And I think your point is, what if
Speaker 1: the Chiefs win three of the next five and then
Speaker 1: he walks out the door, can you make the case
Speaker 1: he's the best? Like, it's gonna be interesting. It's at
Speaker 1: least going to be on the board if he ends
Speaker 1: at four and Belichick has six, but especially if the
Speaker 1: Patriots never pop back up, because I know what people
Speaker 1: people can say, well, Andy had Mahomes. Yes, but Andy
Speaker 1: made five conference championship games in Philadelphia without a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, with a good quarterback, without an accurate quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean McNabb was not a bad quarterback, but he
Speaker 1: was not a Hall of Fame level player, and he
Speaker 1: made five NFC championship games. There might have been six.
Speaker 1: I think it's five. But it is interesting is that
Speaker 1: sometimes cultures change and opportunities present themselves, and people don't
Speaker 1: suddenly just get talented at fifty. Let's be honest, you
Speaker 1: flourish in the opinion space. Could you probably would be
Speaker 1: as effective as a local sports anchor, all right. I
Speaker 1: got caught from the Syracuse college radio station trying to
Speaker 1: do play by play because I couldn't the at W
Speaker 1: A r that before you can even try to do
Speaker 1: play by play, you have to do a ninety second
Speaker 1: sports update, like you know what they used to do
Speaker 1: on local radio station. Yeah, yeah, Colin. I came in
Speaker 1: twice a week, ninety minutes each time, for three semesters,
Speaker 1: a year and a half, trying to get cleared to
Speaker 1: do ninety second sports updates at a college radio station.
Speaker 1: And then, God love him, the guy who's now the
Speaker 1: voice of the Las Vegas Raiders, Jason Horowitz, had to
Speaker 1: call me. It was like, buddy, you're a second semester, sophomore,
Speaker 1: and you're not even to the first step. We gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta go, You're not. I got cut from my
Speaker 1: college radio station because oh I was. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the whole reason I went there, So the whole reason
Speaker 1: I went there, But I was fortunate in that I
Speaker 1: was already working on the talk show staff, and I
Speaker 1: then just grab and I was kind of realizing, like man,
Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to do growing up, I thought
Speaker 1: I wanted to do play by play, but what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do was color commentary. I would watch the
Speaker 1: NBA on NBC with with Costas and Walton and Steve
Speaker 1: Snapper Jones, and what I wanted to do was the color.
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize you can't do that unless you're
Speaker 1: a former player or former coach. They're not hired me
Speaker 1: a color commentary. But then you know, they did hire
Speaker 1: Dennis Miller briefly like they hired Kornheiser. So I was like,
Speaker 1: oh maybe at some point um so no, I was.
Speaker 1: I was crushed, but it I then it made me
Speaker 1: fully pivot to talk show. And you know, little Humble
Speaker 1: Bragg here now at War the talk show studios named
Speaker 1: after me and my pictures on the wall. I'm a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer there, that's true story. Marv Albert, Bob Paste,
Speaker 1: Nick Wright are the three studios there. That's true and
Speaker 1: so but the point is, I'm not a great broadcast.
Speaker 1: I'm I have a like a traditional broadcaster. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I can't read off a teleprompter. I'm
Speaker 1: not good at like I have a nasal. But there
Speaker 1: is a specific thing I can do, which is confidently argue,
Speaker 1: no matter whether it's you know, one on one with
Speaker 1: my wife or in front of a million people. Well, also,
Speaker 1: you're entertaining. In my preamble, I talked about this. Charles
Speaker 1: Barkley doesn't watch the league he broadcasts. He literally doesn't
Speaker 1: know ninety percent of the players. He's entertaining. Nobody wildly
Speaker 1: entertaining the audience. They don't care. Nobody cares the entertainment
Speaker 1: business that we're in. And you get extra credit for
Speaker 1: being right and smart and all these things. But what
Speaker 1: a lot of I think broadcasters don't understand is this
Speaker 1: the perfect storm is entertaining, smart, funny, correct analysis. Right.
Speaker 1: That's like you, if you could check every box, that
Speaker 1: would be it. You can get away with You can
Speaker 1: even thrive if you're with your picks, always being wrong,
Speaker 1: with your analysis, always being off. As long as you're
Speaker 1: entertaining and captivating. If you you could be right on
Speaker 1: every prediction, know the name of every player. And there's
Speaker 1: a few broadcasters you and I both know. We don't
Speaker 1: have name names that are like this, that are buttoned
Speaker 1: up on everything and they're boring. But if you're if
Speaker 1: you're boring and don't captivate the audience, you're drawn dead.
Speaker 1: You're just flatly drawn dead. Years ago, there was a
Speaker 1: guy named Pete Jenncini at ESPN. Yeah yeah, yeah, really
Speaker 1: nice guy, and um, when I got to ESPN, they
Speaker 1: didn't they weren't doing radio very well, and they brought
Speaker 1: in a guy named Bruce Gilbert to kind of fix
Speaker 1: Mike and Mike there was a big vote whether to
Speaker 1: keep him or not when I first got there, and
Speaker 1: it was like nine people voted five to four keep them. Wow.
Speaker 1: So Bruce Gilbert came in to fix them and hire
Speaker 1: somebody to replace Kornheiser when that was that was the guy.
Speaker 1: And Pete's a really good guy and real smart guy.
Speaker 1: But we had a discussion one time and he said
Speaker 1: the number one the number one thing at ESPN is
Speaker 1: to be informative. And I said, Pete, it's number two.
Speaker 1: I said, I've watched you either demote or get rid
Speaker 1: of really informative people. This company has never gotten rid
Speaker 1: of somebody. That's funny, on the air and enter entertaining. Ever,
Speaker 1: ever they may leave you, you don't get rid of them.
Speaker 1: I've watched you not promote people who are informative. I said,
Speaker 1: we radio TV is the entertainment business. Remember when Barbara
Speaker 1: Walters was a journalist and she was doing twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and she was doing sit down Kushey interviews with Johnny
Speaker 1: Carson and Steven Spielberg. That was the entertainment division. It
Speaker 1: was the highest rated thing she did. That's why Barbara
Speaker 1: Walters made a fortune, not because of her journalism, because
Speaker 1: she would do these sit down interviews that got massive ratings,
Speaker 1: and they were that was part of the entertainment budget.
Speaker 1: And so when I had this this discussion with Pete
Speaker 1: who again this is not a criticism, and I just said, Pete,
Speaker 1: I'm watching what the company does you promote really entertaining people.
Speaker 1: The messaging is be entertainment. Well listen, and for me
Speaker 1: that was listen. That took me a long time to
Speaker 1: grasp on television because I'd figured out radio. I'd figured
Speaker 1: out how to do like the radio show exactly the
Speaker 1: way I needed to. And then when I got on TV,
Speaker 1: I think the first year maybe I thought the job
Speaker 1: was to always have all the answers, to have my
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to have the facts exactly right,
Speaker 1: to to never to never be wrong. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean to always and what I'm you know, I've
Speaker 1: now done the show five and a half years by
Speaker 1: a country mile. The most successful version of the show
Speaker 1: I've ever done is the one I'm doing right now
Speaker 1: this moment with Wilds and Bruce Arry. It's the funniest.
Speaker 1: It's the funniest, and that's why now I still It's
Speaker 1: not like I have forgotten that info. I still have
Speaker 1: the info available to me, but I am not out there.
Speaker 1: I used to approach the TV show with the perspective
Speaker 1: of I have to I have to prove else smart
Speaker 1: I am to the audience every single day, and now
Speaker 1: I approach it as our entire goal is to put
Speaker 1: on a show that people smile while they're watching. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, That people smile all they're watching
Speaker 1: and have a good time, and that has enough meet
Speaker 1: to it to where it's not all empty calories. There's
Speaker 1: got to be the information, there's got to be the analysis,
Speaker 1: but there's also got to be a lot of bells
Speaker 1: and whistles and funny stuff and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Guys messing with each other and that's what works. And
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That took me a while
Speaker 1: to figure out because people, you know, when I first started,
Speaker 1: they would say to me, the best version of you
Speaker 1: is when you're on with Colin. They're like, can you
Speaker 1: can you try to be more of that on First
Speaker 1: Things First? And I ain't part of it. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I get up for First Things first a three thirties,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Oh, I'm not certain. But the
Speaker 1: other thing was is especially early in our relationship and
Speaker 1: I still do it, but especially early in our relationship,
Speaker 1: I was really really trying to impress you, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to make you laugh. Like every time I came on,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's successful if I make Colin lamb.
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I was too stupid to fucking realize
Speaker 1: I should just be trying to make the audience laugh too,
Speaker 1: and I have to get out there and like to
Speaker 1: tell jokes, but the same, you know, and so, but
Speaker 1: that was the best version of me at the time
Speaker 1: was because I wasn't trying. I felt like you knew
Speaker 1: I was smart, so I wasn't trying to prove it
Speaker 1: to yet, right, so you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I could just kind of be the best version of myself,
Speaker 1: and that's what works. That's what works in this business.
Speaker 1: You go across the networks. I'll give credit to the
Speaker 1: other network, even though this show happens to be up
Speaker 1: against mine at one point. A show that I did
Speaker 1: really works on the other network is NFL Live because
Speaker 1: those people like each other and they're fun together, and
Speaker 1: they bust each other's chops and they have real info,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that show whenever I
Speaker 1: can't watch it was all the same time. But the clips,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're fun, they're funny. That works. That
Speaker 1: always will work. People that get along, that are smart,
Speaker 1: that know what they're talking about will always work. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't watch that show, but I know the
Speaker 1: people on it and they're likable and they're fun. And
Speaker 1: this mug is from war the radio station that cut me.
Speaker 1: That's so fun. They've sent it to me today. Hey listen,
Speaker 1: you're fine, here's a mug. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Um.
Speaker 1: So people think from time to time, I don't like
Speaker 1: certain people. I don't like Russell Westbrooks half court game.
Speaker 1: He's probably a wonderful guy. It drives me crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like the neediness of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I think he's a smart guy and a wonderful quarterback. Um.
Speaker 1: But I do think about it that if I ran
Speaker 1: into Aaron or Russell, they wouldn't like me. And I
Speaker 1: totally get that. Andy Dalton once ran into me and
Speaker 1: I called him the Babe water Pistol for a decade,
Speaker 1: and he was really really sweet. But Rogers is a
Speaker 1: fascinating person because he really does project a lot. He
Speaker 1: had another one this week when he said, apparently they're
Speaker 1: doing discussions. You know, I'm not involved, which is interesting,
Speaker 1: and I thought it's interesting, Aaron, You're so smart, but
Speaker 1: you lack of basic self awareness that you are projecting constantly, passive, aggressively,
Speaker 1: and it's why you know I've said this about Aaron.
Speaker 1: We give too much credit to talent. What really separates
Speaker 1: Mahomes is his self awareness. He's so eff and good
Speaker 1: at the podium. He is such a good teammate. He
Speaker 1: almost never ever compliments himself. He goes the talent thing.
Speaker 1: I think that Mahomes is gifted, But I think when
Speaker 1: I talked to Sean Payton, I went to dinner with him,
Speaker 1: spent four hours with him. Sean Payton told me that
Speaker 1: they flew in to Lubbock or wherever god forsaken town
Speaker 1: he played college football in. Yeah, they wanted to draft him,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. After the workout, they brought in information
Speaker 1: they thought would overwhelm him and would take three days.
Speaker 1: Within two hours, he had digested it and was vomiting
Speaker 1: it out to them. He said, it's the smartest player
Speaker 1: I'd ever interviewed. We got on a plane, we told
Speaker 1: nobody we were there, and Sean said it was the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback I'd ever worked out or gone to a whiteboard,
Speaker 1: and that where Mahomes is underrated. His ability to consume information,
Speaker 1: see things and let go of the ball instinctively is
Speaker 1: the greatest I've ever seen. I think. I think Josh
Speaker 1: Allen has a stronger arm. I think Lamar is faster.
Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray is almost more elusive. I think
Speaker 1: above the shoulders, Mahomes is almost the performance artist. He's
Speaker 1: he's prince, he is He's the world looks different. His
Speaker 1: dad was on I'll mention second second Danny Parkins shout out.
Speaker 1: But his dad was on Danny's radio show a couple
Speaker 1: days ago and said, the Bear the reason Mahomes counted
Speaker 1: on his fingers when he scored a touch sound against
Speaker 1: the Bears was because the Bears told him were drafting
Speaker 1: you at three and then they trade it up for
Speaker 1: Traubisky and Mahomes was crushed because he really wanted to
Speaker 1: go to Chicago. But in that same interview, and I'd
Speaker 1: never heard anyone say this, he said that Patrick has
Speaker 1: an idetic memory, which I just googled what that meant. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that you can see something once and then always
Speaker 1: be able to pull it back, which I'd never heard
Speaker 1: someone say that about him. And maybe that's a dad,
Speaker 1: you know, embellishing about his kid. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: if that's true or something close to it, And what
Speaker 1: you know, you're saying, Sean Payton told you it does
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you have like so for
Speaker 1: let me give you a for instance, Lebron has the
Speaker 1: highest basketball like you I've ever seen, plus kind of
Speaker 1: the perfect body for basketball. If you it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to play twenty years in the NBA. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be big enough to withstand injuries,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, tall enough. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so when check check on like a brain thing and
Speaker 1: a body thing that leads you to this, right, Mahomes
Speaker 1: has the physical gifts of like the crazy arm angle
Speaker 1: stuff and the alarm strength from playing baseball. So that's
Speaker 1: like the physical stuff check the memory thing that now
Speaker 1: we've had Sean Payton talk about his dad talk about
Speaker 1: it feels like we have contemporary evidence from seeing how
Speaker 1: he plays. Yea, like, oh, there might have been like
Speaker 1: two genetic lottery things where it's like the in the
Speaker 1: same way that Michael Phelps like has the webbed fingers
Speaker 1: and toes. It's like, oh, so it's like, it's not
Speaker 1: just that you work so hard in all these things,
Speaker 1: you also happen to be kind of blest specifically for
Speaker 1: this type of greatness. Yes, and so because there is
Speaker 1: an element with Patrick and I think you want to
Speaker 1: talk Rogers talk Rodgers too, but with Patrick of he
Speaker 1: can he can, with the exception of like a three
Speaker 1: week stretch during last season, he can instantly figure out
Speaker 1: what the defense is doing and within a half adjust
Speaker 1: if need be in a way that I've seen very
Speaker 1: few quarterbacks ever consistently be able to do, and the
Speaker 1: only one that I've seen be able to do it
Speaker 1: at this level is Manning. And Manning's problem, I think
Speaker 1: problems listening. He's one of three best quarterbacks ever. But
Speaker 1: for Peyton, what I think heard him a bit was
Speaker 1: he had that ability and almost couldn't turn it off
Speaker 1: to where if guys weren't where they were supposed to be,
Speaker 1: or guys through He didn't have the improvisational ability that
Speaker 1: Patrick has, which are as good as anyone I've ever seen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as good as anyone I've ever seen. What do you
Speaker 1: think's going to happen with Aaron? I think Green Bay
Speaker 1: ideally wants to send him to the Raiders because with
Speaker 1: Peyton and Russ Herbert and Kellen Moore and Andy and
Speaker 1: Maha Holmes, he'll finish in the fourth place. And so
Speaker 1: if Jordan Love is bumpy initially, which Aaron was in
Speaker 1: his first year, that you know, Minnesota's not going eleven
Speaker 1: and no one one score games, Chicago still awful, and
Speaker 1: Detroit still Detroit, although they're better that I don't think
Speaker 1: they know quite yet what Jordan is. But if they
Speaker 1: can get another first round pick, address their tight end
Speaker 1: situation edge rusher, and get supplemental picks, right that if
Speaker 1: the Jordan loves situations a little bumpy, Aaron's not crushing
Speaker 1: light in the world. Yeah, yeah, so, and I think
Speaker 1: I think they want to move off. And and I
Speaker 1: think this is why the Raiders right now are holding
Speaker 1: on a Derek Car that the Raiders may be saying
Speaker 1: the Raiders don't want to give up as much. I
Speaker 1: think Green Bay has leaked already publicly. All this stuff
Speaker 1: gets out Nick because somebody wants it out already leaked
Speaker 1: afc all, there's Aaron even said it. Well, they're talking
Speaker 1: about me. So Green Bay wants it out to the league,
Speaker 1: not Aaron. We are ready to move off him. Their
Speaker 1: takeaway is we don't know exactly know what Jordan Love is,
Speaker 1: but what we don't want is far of to the Vikings,
Speaker 1: good at least for a year. Correct and listen, I
Speaker 1: the Jets obviously one them. They hired Hackett. Here's my
Speaker 1: but I think Jets Raiders are obviously the leading contenders.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. Let's say Rogers does go to the
Speaker 1: AFC honest question here and then I'll give I'll give
Speaker 1: you the possibilities. Does that make Dak Prescott the second
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFC? Like it's Jaalen one and
Speaker 1: Jaalen by the way, I still think has some real
Speaker 1: question marks, So I give him credit for what he's
Speaker 1: Stafford staff The problem for Stafford, though, is he's got
Speaker 1: an elbow and a spine injury, and he's an older
Speaker 1: like I mean, and even the year he won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he led the league in picks and pick
Speaker 1: sixes like and even if he is good, I think
Speaker 1: that team's not going to be good. Like I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I was like, I mean, Kyler is
Speaker 1: a torn acl is a pain in the ass, and
Speaker 1: nobody seems like Justin Fields is a great runner. We've
Speaker 1: seen nothing like I was because I was just going
Speaker 1: down the list of NFC quarterbacks because Jerry came out.
Speaker 1: I was like, we want Dak for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, in the AFC, if Dak were
Speaker 1: your quarterback, you'd say we have to upgrade. In the
Speaker 1: NFCU say he might be the best quarterback left in
Speaker 1: the conference. In a few months, it's crazy. It's crazy
Speaker 1: the level of discrepancy between quarterback talent and the two conferences.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor Lawrence, I think would be clearly the
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFC, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: he is top five in the AFC right now. Well,
Speaker 1: Mahomes would be, Alan would be Burrow, Herbert Lawrence, Lamar,
Speaker 1: maybe de Sean to see if he ever gets it
Speaker 1: back where it's seven. I mean the I mean there's
Speaker 1: tann It's crazy Tannehill goes to Carolina tomorrow. He's no
Speaker 1: worse than third in What's insane? Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if two is gonna play again. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's that great he would be in the discussion
Speaker 1: over there, I mean it is, it is bananas, Like
Speaker 1: it's such a discrepancy. I feel like the NFL like
Speaker 1: has to behind the scenes be like talking about like
Speaker 1: what do we do here? Because we can't we we
Speaker 1: need to find a way to get sitting now. I
Speaker 1: think they're probably thrilled Chicago got the number one pick,
Speaker 1: but the problem in Chicago's not gonna take a quarterback,
Speaker 1: Like are they calling the Bears like you have to
Speaker 1: trade that pick? To an NFC team, Well, you can't
Speaker 1: have it. It's crazy networks in the last several years,
Speaker 1: remember when, um, because the AFC has always had the
Speaker 1: smaller markets except Boston, the NFC's always had the bigger
Speaker 1: markets M Saint Louis became Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: whereas the AFC has got a lot of Cincinnatis, h Nashville.
Speaker 1: All right, And so for several years ago Fox started
Speaker 1: losing occasional games to CBS, and then in the league
Speaker 1: said we're going to even it out. Now they're still
Speaker 1: doing that, but Fox will probably get an increased note
Speaker 1: I would think so, Yeah, because because you need it's
Speaker 1: a quarterback league and they didn't mean for it to
Speaker 1: happen this way, right, But like I know this much,
Speaker 1: they need Caleb Williams to the NFC. Yeah, they need that.
Speaker 1: Listen for years and years, I you know how I
Speaker 1: love theories and figuring stuff out, the jigsaw puzzle of sports.
Speaker 1: For twenty years, I couldn't have figured it out. Why
Speaker 1: the f is the Western Conference always better than the
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference? And I could not. I mean I had
Speaker 1: weather theories, the West has better weather players don't like
Speaker 1: these Eastern turbulent flights cold weather off of plane because
Speaker 1: Miami gets good players. So I thought, well, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a weather thing. And then Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban said
Speaker 1: something to me one time, and he said, the West
Speaker 1: has way better general managers outside of Miami. That's why
Speaker 1: Miami engineers better trades. They've got a great general manager.
Speaker 1: And by the way, and then Boston got good with
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge, who now moves West, and that sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just so. The truth is the AFC has had better
Speaker 1: gms make better picks on quarterbacks. By the way, Howie Roseman,
Speaker 1: great GM, found Jalen Hurts in the second round, less
Speaker 1: Steed went An engineered a deal to get Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1: The AFC is hit on more of the quarterback picks,
Speaker 1: better GMing and the and I also think that there
Speaker 1: was you had Brady obviously went to the NFC. Rogers
Speaker 1: was there, Breeze was there, and it was it was
Speaker 1: kind of being propped up by these old the last
Speaker 1: three years, by these much older quarterbacks, two of which
Speaker 1: have now retired and one might be leaving the conference.
Speaker 1: And it puts him in a really rough spot a
Speaker 1: really rough spot, like you know who they really would
Speaker 1: like to be as star as Trey Lance, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like God, because they spent that draft
Speaker 1: pick on him, Like, hey, listen to spot man. If
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is a nine or quarterback, they beat Philadelphia potentially,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, because he's just a distribuer that the
Speaker 1: knock on tree as he's not accurate. That's why Shanahan,
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins, like Matt Ryan, preferred Matt Jones. It
Speaker 1: was almost your worst nightmare because you know, if he
Speaker 1: wasn't a ram, he might have ended up being a
Speaker 1: nine er Baker Mayfield. Did you imagine if that was
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield coming to the rescue in that game, is
Speaker 1: that is Josh Johnson cutting up the Philadelphia Eagles going
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl? We would have been legend, Derek,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something at you. Yep. When Quentin Tarantino
Speaker 1: came on the scene, it's all anybody talked about for
Speaker 1: two years. Spielberg has done far more, far longer, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't new and shiny and fun. That We're not
Speaker 1: dissing Lebron or Brady or Spielberg, but we like the
Speaker 1: new stuff we like, the new restaurant, the new nightclub,
Speaker 1: the new job Morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen, who you've
Speaker 1: accurately said, we like him more than his game produces,
Speaker 1: and that I think Lebron was great, early, great, middle, great, late.
Speaker 1: He's never had the story arcs going to baseball like
Speaker 1: MJ the fight with his GM, the no couldn't win
Speaker 1: without Pippin, then had Pippin, and then he left for baseball,
Speaker 1: and then he came back and then he lost to Orlando.
Speaker 1: Michael's career had so many different chapters. Lebron, Spielberg, Brady, great, early, great, middle, great, late.
Speaker 1: What's there to say? Well, yeah, I think there's that.
Speaker 1: I also think that when the so I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw this, but you're by when people here
Speaker 1: or see this, it'll it'll be I think on February
Speaker 1: third is when this will come out. Your former employer
Speaker 1: is doing across all shows tomorrow because tomorrow is two
Speaker 1: three slash twenty three Michael Jordan tributes and if I
Speaker 1: understand the timing on the calendar, but you also can't
Speaker 1: convince me that's not some editorial decisions by folks who
Speaker 1: are heavily invested in Michael Jordan remaining the gold standard
Speaker 1: for everything that we are going to be potentially a
Speaker 1: day away from Lebron breaking Kareem's record, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: have wal to wal Michael Jordan coverage. I mean, give
Speaker 1: me a goddamn break. And so there is I think
Speaker 1: there has been so much of our sports logic forever
Speaker 1: has been I shouldn't say forever for the last thirty years,
Speaker 1: has not been based on what is objectively the best,
Speaker 1: but has been based on what is objectively the most
Speaker 1: similar to Michael Jordan's arc that we have. We've perverted
Speaker 1: so many arguments like Tim Duncan was a more successful,
Speaker 1: more impactful, more winning, more everything than Kobe Bryant. But
Speaker 1: when you say Tim Duncan was better than Kobe, it
Speaker 1: breaks some people's brains because they're not judging who's better,
Speaker 1: They're judging who remind you more of Michael Jordans. I'm
Speaker 1: old enough to remember, as are you, that when Tom
Speaker 1: Brady before he got to seven rings, after the Seattle
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, when he had four rings and then two
Speaker 1: Super Bowl losses, there were people that argued Joe Montana's
Speaker 1: four rings were better than Brady's four rings because Montana
Speaker 1: never lost a Super Bowl, which is objectively idiotic because
Speaker 1: it just means he didn't get there. But the reason
Speaker 1: that was the case was because we had already decided
Speaker 1: that Jordan's six and ozho was better than Kareem's six
Speaker 1: and four, which never made any sense objectively speaking, that
Speaker 1: same logic would dictate by the way that Patrick Mahomes actually,
Speaker 1: if he loses in the week, yeah, that logic dictates,
Speaker 1: you know, it was bad for him to have this
Speaker 1: legendary performance on one leg and beat the Bengals. Would
Speaker 1: have been better to just lose that game, because losses
Speaker 1: pre championship round don't hurt you, but losses in the
Speaker 1: championship round due so much of it is about protecting
Speaker 1: the narrative. And I think the Lebron if we wanted
Speaker 1: to tell the Lebron story the same way people want
Speaker 1: to tell the Michael Jordan's story, the story of overcoming
Speaker 1: incompetent coaching at various steps, were coming incompetent teammates, of
Speaker 1: having no true like basketball training, he's come straight out
Speaker 1: of high school. Suppose having Dean Smith instead of coming
Speaker 1: from a great two parent household, he had one parent
Speaker 1: incredibly poor, and that one parent dealt with their own issues.
Speaker 1: All of that could be part of the legend, but
Speaker 1: since the guy's been twenty seven, a huge part of
Speaker 1: the story surrounding him has been discrediting what he's accomplished
Speaker 1: because people want to protect Jordan. I truly believe that,
Speaker 1: and I think we're still seeing it. Can I throw
Speaker 1: this in? This is engineered by Michael, who remains a
Speaker 1: grudgeholder and incredibly petty. And the reason he okayed use
Speaker 1: of certain footage to ESPN because after Lebron beat the
Speaker 1: Warriors there were real discussions that Lebron's better than MJ
Speaker 1: and m the next day, then okated the day after
Speaker 1: the parade. Yep, and now as Lebron gets ready to
Speaker 1: set the record. This is not coincidental. Michael is petty,
Speaker 1: He's a grudge holder. He still holds a grudge to
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas, who the f cares anymore about it, but
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, who used to be his best friend. It's
Speaker 1: the and it is just I don't think because and
Speaker 1: but the other part of it, forget the Michael part
Speaker 1: of it. The other part of it is on the
Speaker 1: media writ large for just deciding what we are and
Speaker 1: are not going to treat with importance. I made this
Speaker 1: point on the TV show, but I didn't make it
Speaker 1: to you. I think you'll agree with me. There was
Speaker 1: far more day by day, breathless coverage of Steph Curry
Speaker 1: breaking the three point record last year then there has
Speaker 1: been about Lebron breaking the all time points record. Last
Speaker 1: night or Wednesday night, Lebron passed four and five in
Speaker 1: the all time assists rankings. Nobody cares. So he's going
Speaker 1: to be top four and assist the day he becomes
Speaker 1: number one in points, and it feels like it has
Speaker 1: been a sub story. Go ahead, no, you know, Nick,
Speaker 1: One of the things I've noticed by the media. I
Speaker 1: never blame fans It's short for fanatic for having favorites.
Speaker 1: That's why they're great. But one of the things I've noticed,
Speaker 1: I remember Jerry Seinfeld was asked, it was like two
Speaker 1: years ago, and he was asked about the media and
Speaker 1: the COVID coverage and people and their opinions, and you know,
Speaker 1: I remember reading somewhere Jerry Seinfeld said, well, maybe the
Speaker 1: media should do a better job. And I do believe
Speaker 1: the media can be condescending. They have agendas. I see
Speaker 1: it in the coverage about our careers where it's so
Speaker 1: I only can judge based on information I have and
Speaker 1: stuff that's written about our careers radio, TV. What's it
Speaker 1: like for politicians? What's it like for star athletes? So
Speaker 1: I don't think what's funny is Jordan basically refused to
Speaker 1: talk to Sports Illustrated because of a cover. Jordan won't
Speaker 1: talk to Isaiah Thomas or Charles Barkley. He's petty. Lebron
Speaker 1: James may call out certain people, but Lebron has been
Speaker 1: the most available NBA star outside of maybe Magic of
Speaker 1: My Life. He is every night local, broadcast, regional, every night.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't do the big sit down interviews anymore
Speaker 1: except for, you know, maybe once a year, unless it's
Speaker 1: with his own company. You know, he has his own
Speaker 1: production company, so he does with him, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking all the time, and it's just it
Speaker 1: is incredibly frustrating to me. And the other thing that
Speaker 1: is also frustrating to me is that none of us,
Speaker 1: myself included, none of us thought it was possible for
Speaker 1: him to be in year twenty playing like this year
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty he's averaging thirty points thirty six minutes
Speaker 1: per game, better than fifty percent shooting. None of us
Speaker 1: thought it was possible, and yet almost nobody has stopped
Speaker 1: to appreciate it. We didn't think it was possible, and
Speaker 1: then we instantly started taking it for granted. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not winning enough, which is true except for the
Speaker 1: fact that this is an unbelievable stat. When Lebron's on
Speaker 1: the court, Colin, the Lakers have a better net rating
Speaker 1: than Milwaukee. When he's off the court, they have a
Speaker 1: worse net rating than the Hornets. So with the teammates
Speaker 1: around him, when he plays, they are a one contenders.
Speaker 1: When he goes to the bench, they're a bottom three team.
Speaker 1: And I mean, that's an indictment on the general managing
Speaker 1: and on the roster construction, but it's not an indictment
Speaker 1: on Lebron. The other night, I was I went to
Speaker 1: dinner with my daughter and I was at the bar
Speaker 1: at Craig's in West Hollywood. Oh, that's where you and
Speaker 1: I went. Yeah, I think, isn't that where you and
Speaker 1: I went? Yeah? I think so, yeah, yeah. And so
Speaker 1: the net Celtics first quarter was on and it was
Speaker 1: it was about ten feet away from me, and the
Speaker 1: sound was down, and I was watching it and it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, forty six nineteen or something, and
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't hear what was happening. But it
Speaker 1: is really interesting that. And I made this point today
Speaker 1: on FS one. Stafford left of the Rams because they
Speaker 1: had a better coach and a better roster. It was
Speaker 1: about winning. Peyton went to the Broncos. Go back and
Speaker 1: look at that roster. It was about winning. Tom left
Speaker 1: New England because he saw the league pivoting the offense.
Speaker 1: They literally in New England could not draft or develop
Speaker 1: a singular wide receiver as last year in Foxborough. The
Speaker 1: cameras caught him one game screaming at receivers somebody get open, separate.
Speaker 1: So Tom actually went to dysfunctional Tampa to win more.
Speaker 1: He had control of the offense and offensive coach and weapons.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson went to Denver for the right reasons. It
Speaker 1: just didn't work out. They had they had better players.
Speaker 1: But let me criticize the NBA for this. Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: left winning to go play with a friend. Lebron left
Speaker 1: four straight finals for business. Kyrie left winning to be
Speaker 1: the man, and Mello left winning in Denver, which he
Speaker 1: did a lot of for a city. And at one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think fans really like the NFL
Speaker 1: is because the players feel like all they care about
Speaker 1: is winning, not being the man, not playing with friends.
Speaker 1: If Mahomes left the Chief to the Jets to play
Speaker 1: with a friend, he would be laughed out of the league.
Speaker 1: It would be insane because your chances of winning is that.
Speaker 1: When players talk about, you know, KD you're a casual
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, sometimes you guys treat winning casually. Well,
Speaker 1: Can I push back on that please? Okay? So Durant, though,
Speaker 1: also left Oklahoma City purely for winning and got crossed
Speaker 1: for it. Got you didn't, I'll give you credit, you didn't,
Speaker 1: but in the bigger picture got crossed for it. Lebron
Speaker 1: left Cleveland to go to Miami. Yes with friends, yes weather,
Speaker 1: yes all that, but also to win. Went back to
Speaker 1: Cleveland and one and yes, going to Los Angeles. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of side benefits to it, but he
Speaker 1: believed he could win there and he did. So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's not like Lebron's gone anywhere
Speaker 1: and not I think the distinction I would draw as this,
Speaker 1: I think the true NBA superstars either you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: correctly and sometimes incorrectly, believe where I go, we will win.
Speaker 1: So I might as well go to a city I
Speaker 1: want to be in. I might as well play with
Speaker 1: my friend because I am going to be the reason
Speaker 1: that winning that you know that winning happens, so I
Speaker 1: should be able to do it, and you know wherever
Speaker 1: I want to do it. I also think I think
Speaker 1: that there's I think the NBA has a few significant
Speaker 1: kind of structural issues that I don't have the immediate
Speaker 1: fixed too, but one of them if you do want
Speaker 1: kind of a more spr at out stars, and you
Speaker 1: do want the stars to have less leverage. Actually, I
Speaker 1: do think that one of the problems they have is
Speaker 1: the capped individual max contracts puts a lot like teams
Speaker 1: can't offer more, they're actually not being I talked to
Speaker 1: a GM once and I was like, why do you
Speaker 1: think these teams, you know, kind of cowtow to the
Speaker 1: certain players sometimes and he goes, well, he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: for the true superstars, they're all underpaid and so you
Speaker 1: have to pay them in extra stuff, either influence or
Speaker 1: how you treat them or all these things. He goes,
Speaker 1: if you know, if a guy's worth seventy million, if
Speaker 1: you're paying him seventy million. Oddly enough, his argument was,
Speaker 1: you actually have more control because it's like, hey, we
Speaker 1: paid you your actual market value, we expect to get X,
Speaker 1: Y and z. But when a guy's worth seventy million
Speaker 1: and you're capped out at paying him thirty five, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, I don't want to play him back
Speaker 1: to backs and I want my buddies to be able
Speaker 1: to write on the team flight these things, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: damn it. We can only offer you what everyone can
Speaker 1: offer you, So whoever says yes to it is then
Speaker 1: going to get you know what I mean, It's gonna
Speaker 1: sometimes get the free agency decision. So I actually think
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I actually think oddly that individual player
Speaker 1: cab has caused a lot of these issues because everyone's
Speaker 1: offering the same amount and no, and it also makes
Speaker 1: it to where you can't just say, hold on, I
Speaker 1: want I want to offer Jannis eighty million dollars and
Speaker 1: see if he can turn it down. And if you
Speaker 1: do that, then there wouldn't be super team. So I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the issues, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that's changing at any point. All Right, buddy, that's forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. That's more than we could have ever asked for.
Speaker 1: Nick Wright co host. First things first, Also, he has
Speaker 1: his podcast What's Right with Nick Wright. You, Bruce Are
Speaker 1: and Kevin Wilds are so infinitely likable in the chemistry.
Speaker 1: So Jason McIntyre, who's now my show, I feel very lucky.
Speaker 1: I've had Joy and McIntyre back to back. Both make
Speaker 1: me laugh. And McIntyre we had a really we had
Speaker 1: more highest rated month in January Colation. Yeah, thanks, and
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool because FS one and every
Speaker 1: other cable networks lost thirty percent of their subs over
Speaker 1: the last six years, so it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And you know, Jason asked me about two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He so it's like, what do you think we're doing
Speaker 1: really well? Why? And I said, because we like each
Speaker 1: other and because people just want to hang out. They're
Speaker 1: not sitting there with a notepad. Oh oh, he made
Speaker 1: a mistake. Oh, people want to feel like your people
Speaker 1: they'd hang out with. And when I watch your Guys show,
Speaker 1: it looks like if you gave each of you a
Speaker 1: cocktail and a bar stool. It's literally shit talking among
Speaker 1: friends and it's horrific. Well, that's very very kind of you.
Speaker 1: We obviously are very fortunate to have you. As you know,
Speaker 1: we couldn't ask for a better leading I am, we've been.
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a leading and so that's been wonderful.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not listening. I don't have
Speaker 1: access to the data, but in your highest rated month,
Speaker 1: I would imagine your highest rated segments were Tuesdays around
Speaker 1: one pm Eastern when I come on with you. That
Speaker 1: make its just power pack fifteen minutes. But the show
Speaker 1: has been a ton of fun and we the podcast
Speaker 1: I do with my son, Yes, as of a couple
Speaker 1: days ago, hit a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube. We've
Speaker 1: been doing it less than a year, so that's pretty
Speaker 1: dope as well, and I so I appreciate that. And
Speaker 1: I can't wait when I fly in on Wednesday to Arizona.
Speaker 1: So as soon as I land, I'm gonna come see you,
Speaker 1: because you got a little shin dig going, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to make it before it closes up shop. Yep.
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