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Speaker 1: Where is Hidi? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Just so

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Speaker 1: you know, her little boy, the one that was playing

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Heidi Plank. You know there's movies and

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Speaker 1: summer true summer fiction. You never want your name to

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Speaker 1: fill in that blank, missing Mom, Heidi Plank. But that's

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Speaker 1: where the family is joining me. High profile lawyer joining

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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Daryl Cohen, former felony

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Speaker 1: at CCA l Law CCA law dot com. Psycho analysts

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Speaker 1: joining us out of the California jurisdiction. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: psycho analysts to the stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: They're on very good terms and he actually saw her

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Speaker 1: her very best friend Danielle Nadalney, all of us joining

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Speaker 1: The circumstances, Alexis Terrestichu so bizarre. You just heard a

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Speaker 1: not the case. What they're after that remains the big question.

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Speaker 1: Some are wondering, speculating that if possibly what they're searching

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Speaker 1: for our any documents paperwork related to Heidi Plank's business.

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Speaker 1: Friends and family say Heidi Plank is working for a

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Speaker 1: company that is now under a federal investigation for possible

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Speaker 1: fraud charges. These federal investigators have searched high and low.

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00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: They're even looking in plants that we've seen them go

432
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: into the garbage searching for any clues as to why

433
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: this mom disappeared. Okay, now, wait a minute. Her company

434
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: was under investigation, not her. Take us an OURCA nine.

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00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: This is Christino Zalaz Fox eleven. A lot of the

436
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: people who know her say they're getting calls from the SEC.

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00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: It seems that she was never involved in this, but

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Speaker 1: people she worked with out of a company nel Segundo,

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00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: were being investigated. It's a financial company, a financial advising company,

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Speaker 1: and they have been investigations because of misuse of funds. Now,

441
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: she was never investigated, she had nothing to do with it.

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00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: But one of the principles was sentenced in twenty twenty

443
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Speaker 1: to sometime in federal prison. That is what they're looking at. Okay,

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00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: if they per was sentenced in twenty twenty, how could

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00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: this possibly be related to Heidi. But it's an avenue

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00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: cops have to look at. To alex As Terrestria tell

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Speaker 1: me about the investigation of this busin her business that

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00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: she worked for, So it was her bosses. There are

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Speaker 1: two men that are in charge in this company. One

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Speaker 1: of them was sentenced. He was found guilty and sentenced

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Speaker 1: to one hundred and eighty nine months in jail, which

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Speaker 1: is over ten years. The second man was not found

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00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: was not criminally prosecuted. He is actually just being civilly

454
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: prosecuted because they want to recover the funds. So the

455
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: situation is is these men were accused of and this

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Speaker 1: one has been found guilty of stealing about forty million

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Speaker 1: dollars from a Native American tribe, and they are misused

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00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: this money. They used it to fund their own lifestyles,

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Speaker 1: to pay off other debts, to start new businesses. So

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00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: what they're hoping to what the plan had been was

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Speaker 1: by suing her boss who was who was mister Sherman,

462
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: they would recover some of this forty million dollars so

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Speaker 1: they could give it back to the victims. Time Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Wazheidi a witness. Could she somehow be

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Speaker 1: involved in testifying against a former boss that is now

466
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Speaker 1: being sued to the tune of forty million dollars. Danielle

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00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Nadalney knows her better than anyone. Danielle, what was her

468
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Speaker 1: reaction to this investigation of her financial advising company? The

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Speaker 1: two guys she worked for. You know, I think that

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00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: this thing started I mean recently. I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: know that it was it was really at the forefront

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Speaker 1: of her mind recently. You know, it started years ago,

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00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: the investigation, so I believe it started years ago. So

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily something that I think was a forefront

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Speaker 1: of her mind. I am Alexis terrest shut. Is the

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00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: SEC the ones that are investigating. Oh well, I can

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: tell you that Danielle and Dawney is absolutely correct, having

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00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: worked along with the SEC when I was at the FTEC.

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Speaker 1: It takes forever for a federal investigation of that magnitude,

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Speaker 1: or of any magnitude for the FEDS to go forward.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars. The entire time I was at the FTC,

482
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I investigated the same case as the whole time, the

483
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Speaker 1: whole number of years, either two or three years, and

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00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: very rarely do you get a movement. So Danielle's right,

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00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: that sounds like an investigation that had been started years before.

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Speaker 1: Do you really think, Jim Wayne, you're the father of

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00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Heidi's son, do you think that has anything to do

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Speaker 1: with her disappearance? Here again we have this, you know,

489
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the speculation and I don't want to speculate. I want

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: to deal with the facts. I'm really sorry, and I

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00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: know it. Okay, you know what, You're right good. Let

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00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: me ask you some factual questions. Was she ever named

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Speaker 1: as a defendant, not that I would know of, Okay.

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00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Was she personally sued, not that I know of. Well.

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Speaker 1: She ever named as a witness either for the state

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Speaker 1: for a criminal prosecution, or is a civil witness and

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00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: the civil trial, not that I know of. Well. I

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00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: would say, based on that Daryl Cohen, that this has

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00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: nothing to do with her disappearance. I would think anything

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00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: could have something to do with her disappearance. We all

501
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: know our sterrible agreeing man from ours could have been

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00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: down and taken her. So that is possible. But is

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: it probable? The probability is that something came up. The

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00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: probability now jumps in based on this criminal case, that

505
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: maybe she was a witness, maybe they want to keep

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00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: her big mouth shut civil, maybe they civil civil? Civil? Yeah, okay,

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00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know anything about her having a quote

508
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: big mouth, because if she wasn't called as a witness

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00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: in the criminal case, I get st our x boss.

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00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: I doubt that she is of any testimonial value. In

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00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: other words, she's not going to be called as a

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Speaker 1: witness in the civil case if she didn't testify in

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00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: the criminal case. You can bet your bottom dollar on that. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut number footwork, Nancy, I'm

515
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: sure you would. This is Stacy Butler case. Al nine.

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00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Planks friends say the apartment building management has refused to

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Speaker 1: allow them to look in the parking garage to see

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00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: if possibly your subs park there. They also say apartment

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00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: management won't share building security tape with police unless they

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00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: get a warrant. Planks friends and family suspect foul play.

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00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: It seems to us like everything stems from that building

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00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: where her dog was found. I think something has to

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00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: have happened to her to keep her away from her son.

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: I reached out to the apartment building management, but I

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00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: didn't get a call back by deadline. The lad says

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00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: they are investigating this case. They're asking if you have

527
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: any information to please contact them. I tend to agree

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00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: back to Danielle, No, Dollney, this is Heidie's best friend.

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00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: There has to be a reason her dog, which we

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: see in the video yapping and chasing along behind her

531
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: or as she heads off to her son's football game.

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00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: There has to be a reason that her dog ends

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Speaker 1: up in that building up on the twenty eighth or

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth floor. Interesting, Danielle, go with me. She did

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Speaker 1: not take the dog to the football game. What does

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00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: this mean? This means she had to go back to

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00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: her place first before she went missing, to somehow get

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Speaker 1: connected to the dog. Would you agree with that, Danielle, Nancy,

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00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: I actually believe Jim can confirmed. I believe the dog

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00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: was with her at the football game. Okay, well you

541
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: just shot my theory. But I want to know that

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00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: did she did she had the dog, Jim, because I

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00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: thought when she got in the car, the dog didn't

544
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: get in. No, yes, Nancy, she absolutely had the dog

545
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: with her. Okay, that changes things because if you think

546
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: it through to doctor Bethany Marshall, that cuts out a

547
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: trip back to her home. I was thinking that maybe

548
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: key because one of her phones was still at the home.

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00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: I was wondering, did that indicate she went back to

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00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the home. But the dog went with her to the

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: football game, so there was no stop at home, Nancy,

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00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: And that's so important. The question of did she go

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00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: back home. Was that the personal phone or the work phone,

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00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: because we don't know how tied she was to work,

555
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: but she was tied to her son, so the fact

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00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: that she would go anywhere without the personal phone is unlikely.

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00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: But I want to bring up a different related subject,

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: and that is her relationships. Sixty percent of patients who

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00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: come to my office talk about nothing other than their relationships.

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00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: They don't talk about their work or business problems. They

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: talk about their children, their spouses, they're friends, the people

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00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: they're dating. What were the interweaving patterns of the relationships

563
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: in Heidi's life. I think that's where we're going to

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: get the greatest clues. And was there an electronic pattern?

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00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Was she dating somebody? Was she on social media? How

566
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: did she communicate with people? Did she have a love interest?

567
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: These questions not only are they important, but I'm sure

568
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: she communicated about them. And I know we have her

569
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: best friend and husband on the show. I know you're

570
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: not going to communicate everything about your dating life too,

571
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe a former husband, even if you're really good your

572
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: best friend. What about it? Danielle Na Dalney, was she

573
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: saying anyone not? At the time that she disappeared, she'd

574
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: been dating somebody on and off, you know, the last

575
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: few years, and at that point it had been off

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00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: for about a month. Right, So they broke up one

577
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: month prior to her disappearance. I'm probably I mean probably

578
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: about a month. I know who did the breaking up?

579
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Her or him, her, I believe. So she broke up

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00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: with him, And I'm not asking for his name, But

581
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: what does he do for a living? I'm I am

582
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure about that. Give me your

583
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: best guess. They've been dining for years. I know he does.

584
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: He works for like he works for Facebook or something interesting.

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: What I need is that video from that building. Okay,

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00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio final thoughts. I think the building is the

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00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: key to a lot of this. So as much footage

588
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: as they can get, um, they have to come through it.

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00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. Our cut twelve from

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Speaker 1: Carlos Herrera Katie. Las Police also now concerned with this investigation.

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00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Officers actually with the lap We're here last night serving

592
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: a search warrant at that home. The LAPD is missing moms,

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00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: were missing persons. Rather, you need first handled the k

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00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: but is now shifted to the Robbery Homicide Division. Detectives

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00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: say that transition is not because of evidence of a

596
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: crime has been discovered, but because it is now considered

597
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a high profile case. To Jim Wayne, what is your

598
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: message today? My message is we all need to stay

599
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: away from speculation and we need to deal with the facts.

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00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: If Heidi is out there, we miss her. We want

601
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: her to come home. We need We've got a ten

602
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: year old boy that's looking for his mommy. Daniel, what's

603
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: your message? And you know my message is just that

604
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, if anybody's seen anything, if anybody has heard anything,

605
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: she has friends miss her. It's her son's birthday tomorrow.

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00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm and we just want her home. Tip line two

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Speaker 1: one nine nine six eighteen hundred. Repeat two one three

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Speaker 1: nine ninety six eighteen hundred, Heidi, where are you? Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace's crime Story signing up Goodbye friend,