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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Colts Old Official Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Gorman. I am joined weekend and week out

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Speaker 1: the Colts Audio Network. Guys, guys, guys, I mean we

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Speaker 1: are onto something here in the rain in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: and I said, let's start with the triangle today. And

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Speaker 1: when I talk about the triangle, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 1: not talking about that. I'm talking about offense, yes, but

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about football offense and the triangle for this

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Speaker 1: offensive union of the Colts is Carson Wentz, Michael Pittman Junior,

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Speaker 1: and of course Jonathan Taylor Ello. What a win, a

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco. What's your first take from that one? Well,

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Speaker 1: one of the statistics that went out after the game

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Speaker 1: When you have a guy who's going up and like

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Speaker 1: me is it was it was certainly the place Michael

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that one because it's huge. But

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Speaker 1: That is miss Larr Overton. She's everywhere Colts media personality,

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Speaker 1: I think that's not an accident, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think they've tried to manage him, manage the situation,

426
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Speaker 1: get his bearings back a little bit, work some of

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Speaker 1: those things out, like you were talking about the occasional play,

428
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Speaker 1: and then maybe you can build on that as lines.

429
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Speaker 1: Healthier weapons are better and you'd have a base of

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Speaker 1: consistency to work from. I think that's I think they're

431
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Speaker 1: building that base right now. This is now back to

432
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Speaker 1: back seasons that we have seen Frank Reich put it

433
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Speaker 1: on the line to get his guy in the building.

434
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Speaker 1: Last year it was Philip Rivers, of course, going back

435
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Speaker 1: to their relationship that they had with the Chargers, and

436
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Speaker 1: then he advocates strongly to Chris Ballard and to Jim

437
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Speaker 1: Mersey to bring in Carson Wentz, make this big trade

438
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Speaker 1: to do it, and he said after that, I love

439
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Speaker 1: to stick my neck out for my guys. How much

440
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Speaker 1: was Frank Reich laying it out there and putting himself

441
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Speaker 1: somewhat at risk with this gamble on Carson Wentz, Well,

442
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Speaker 1: I thought of that initially, but then they signed them

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Speaker 1: to a five year extension, right so I feel like

444
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Speaker 1: Jim Mercy feels like he has the right people. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: when Chris Ballard and Frank Reich, he didn't have to

446
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Speaker 1: give an extension before the year to do that. So um,

447
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: and then the Rivers thing worked out to me, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: I mean, what did you expect. They went eleven and five,

449
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Speaker 1: they went to the playoffs, and then he retired. Well

450
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he put his name out there on

451
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Speaker 1: Rivers and then Rivers was crappy. I mean, Rivers was

452
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Speaker 1: pretty good. So I think I think, yeah, there's some

453
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Speaker 1: risk on that, but I mean you're always you know,

454
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Speaker 1: you have to decide on somebody, right, and I'd rather

455
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Speaker 1: have my coach want the guy than have him have reservations,

456
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Speaker 1: you know. And I think I think this offseason, the

457
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Speaker 1: interesting choice for people was like Stafford or Wentz, right,

458
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Speaker 1: and there was different price points in often and that

459
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Speaker 1: sort of a thing, and they chose to go with

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Speaker 1: the younger guy. And I get that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: get it. I think if I think if Wentz had

462
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Speaker 1: three touchdowns and seventeen interceptions right now, yeah, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: Frank Freich might be feeling a little bit not that

464
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Speaker 1: they're going to get rid of him or anything, but

465
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Speaker 1: he'd be feeling that. I think he can feel decently

466
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Speaker 1: right now and feel like it's a long term process.

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Speaker 1: That's Mike Sando. Follow him on Twitter. It's a great

468
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: follow if you love the pro game. Sando at Sando NFL.

469
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Speaker 1: That's Sa Ndo NFL. And I love to tweet you

470
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Speaker 1: had last night and I'm so ill because I don't

471
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Speaker 1: want to throw any babies out with the bathwater, if

472
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Speaker 1: their quarterbacks, because you never know when they can. You

473
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Speaker 1: know they're gonna have their second life. Anyone considering trading

474
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Speaker 1: or moving on from a good quarterback should be made

475
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Speaker 1: to watch this game on a loop until their mind

476
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Speaker 1: has changed. And of course you were talking about Seattle

477
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Speaker 1: and the Saints game last night on Monday night. I

478
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Speaker 1: love that he said that. And one of the biggest

479
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Speaker 1: free agent signings for success when it comes to quarterback

480
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Speaker 1: is down in Tennessee is with Ryan Tannehill and what

481
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Speaker 1: he's done. He find him. He sat behind Mariota and

482
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he has not looked back. Why

483
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Speaker 1: has he been so successful in that offense? And you

484
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Speaker 1: can't say Derrick Henry either, Sando. Yeah, well, I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: I think Derrick Henry helps sure. He doesn't anybody to

486
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Speaker 1: have the whole defense occupied with that guy as they

487
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Speaker 1: should be, So I mean, I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: You know. You sometimes you go from a tough or

489
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Speaker 1: challenging situation that and you grow from it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think Miami has not been a good situation. They

491
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Speaker 1: haven't exactly done a good job developing a bunch of

492
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks down there. So it was an up and down deal.

493
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Speaker 1: He had multiple coaches, and I think that he was

494
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Speaker 1: always talented, you know, and he wasn't horrific. It wasn't

495
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Speaker 1: like Tannehill was just Blake Bortle's type production in Miami.

496
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Speaker 1: He was good enough that they sort of gave him

497
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Speaker 1: a contract extension. It wasn't one of the big ones,

498
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Speaker 1: but they, you know, they kind of wanted to see more.

499
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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes you get a change of scenery

500
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Speaker 1: and the glass can go from looking half empty the

501
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Speaker 1: half to half full. You have to credit him too,

502
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Speaker 1: Like this year, Tennessee is a team to me that

503
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Speaker 1: every year almost you could see a reason why they

504
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Speaker 1: weren't going to be as good. They lost this guy,

505
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: this draft pick was bad and they just win every year,

506
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Speaker 1: isn't it amazing? I mean, they have something good there

507
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Speaker 1: because they're coming off what beating Buffalo in Kansas City

508
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Speaker 1: right after losing to the Jets. Yeah, yeah, losing to

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Speaker 1: the Jets. So but but you know, Tanneh Hill has

510
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Speaker 1: has just done a great job, you know. And I

511
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Speaker 1: think you say, don't you know, don't credit Derrek Henry

512
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Speaker 1: too much. But there I think there's a range of

513
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Speaker 1: throws for him that that can be off with the

514
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Speaker 1: play action and can be in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: That probably played to his strengths and he's done a

516
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Speaker 1: great job with that. I think he's also athletic. I

517
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Speaker 1: think that helps. He can run um, you know, and

518
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Speaker 1: it's it's just a good probably a good system for him,

519
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Speaker 1: good place right time. The most impressive thing to me

520
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Speaker 1: was last year they won with a bad defense. You know,

521
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: that's really hard to do. Usually only the top quarterbacks

522
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Speaker 1: do that. So you have to give you have to

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Speaker 1: give Tannel some credit for that. I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about Tennessee because you know, you kind of mentioned

525
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Speaker 1: where they've kind of gone and how they just they

526
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Speaker 1: keep winning every year and how you know they lose

527
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Speaker 1: someone in this case, Arthur Smith going to the Atlanta

528
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Speaker 1: Falcons to be their head coach, and it kind of

529
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Speaker 1: has felt like, and I don't know if you feel

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Speaker 1: this way that the last couple of weeks they've started

531
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Speaker 1: to get back to the offense they were previously with

532
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, where they're just kind of spamming that play

533
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Speaker 1: action game, running it with Derrick Henry running a lot

534
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Speaker 1: of duo and then spamming play action and hitting you know,

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Speaker 1: Julio Jones, A J. Brown on those routes. And what

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Speaker 1: sort of identity are you seeing now the Titans develop,

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Speaker 1: even without a guy there like Arthur Smith who was

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Speaker 1: so integral to that offensive identity over the last couple

539
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Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, I think I think it's really unique

540
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Speaker 1: because usually when you have a team that you know,

541
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Speaker 1: really emphasizes the run like that, they're in huge trouble

542
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Speaker 1: when they fall behind, they sick with Henry when they're

543
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: down two scores and when they get beyond that, you

544
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: can't do that. But they've they've done that. They've been

545
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Speaker 1: able to come back from two scores down without totally

546
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Speaker 1: abandoning Henry. So I think that stands out to me.

547
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: They haven't lost their identity there. I think, you know,

548
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: they do have good personnel at the wide receiver spot too.

549
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: I think that really really helps them. But kind of

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00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: quietly this year in Tennessee on defense, they're rushing the

551
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: passer better. I think that has been a component of

552
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: this team that has made it easier for them to

553
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: sort of find their way and get kind of back

554
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: into their groove offensively after some shaky moments. They've done

555
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: better up front and getting after people. Hail Landry's one

556
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Speaker 1: of those guys. Hey, Mike Sandel right there from the

557
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: athletic Have you seen a when you started ninety eight

558
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Speaker 1: cover in this league to where you're at right now?

559
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: A drastic change offensively? Or is it similar? Oh? Completely? Yeah.

560
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Speaker 1: I just look at like Andy Reid. Go back to

561
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's offense, you know in two thousand and four

562
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: or two thousand and six. I mean, you're gonna see

563
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: split backs, You're gonna see I formation, You're going to

564
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Speaker 1: see twenty one personnel, two backs and one tight end

565
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Speaker 1: as the base offense. It's been a complete change over

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Speaker 1: the last ten to fifteen years, ten years, maybe a

567
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: little bit more than that, to where the league is

568
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: predominantly or largely shotgun. Now you almost never have a

569
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Speaker 1: full back in the game. You know, it's three receivers.

570
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: Used to be third down, Now it's every down for

571
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: some teams. I think that's completely changed. And then your

572
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: ability to know your ability to offer it as a

573
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Speaker 1: quarterback and receiver without taking the kill shots. I think

574
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Speaker 1: that's a huge deal. The middle of the field used

575
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: to be if you threw there, you're gonna get a concussion,

576
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: you know. And and likewise with the quarterbacks. Look at

577
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Speaker 1: the personal fouled last night on you know, the defender

578
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: hit Jamis Winston and just kind of grazed his face

579
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Speaker 1: mask with his helmet. I mean, no one is going

580
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: to be like, God, did you see that hit that

581
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: Winston took. You wouldn't even remember it except there was

582
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: a penalty, And I think that was totally different. You know,

583
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: the guys playing Joe Montana would really get smashed when

584
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: he got hit. You. So, I think it's better for longevity.

585
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: It's probably better for people wanted to let their kids play,

586
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: you know all of that. It's probably better for the game,

587
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: even though you know, obviously people loved those hits too.

588
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Sure JJ, and now we're having this conversation last week

589
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: in regards to, you know, winning the division for the

590
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts versus the wild card situation, and JJ really

591
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: pointed to the amount of parody that there is in

592
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: the AFC right now, the teams that you have who

593
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: are currently sitting you know, at five and two, you

594
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: have so many kind of teams right there in the mix.

595
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: How open are you seeing kind of this wildcard situation

596
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and also these divisions within the AFC through this point

597
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Would we have

598
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Speaker 1: ever thought Kansas City would be the eleventh, No, Cincinnati

599
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: would be number one right now? Absolute ridiculous. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: for Indy, I felt like I felt like losing that

601
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore game was such a killer. You know. It's just

602
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: that was the game they were sort of going to

603
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: steal and win and against a team that was perceived

604
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Speaker 1: as better. And to have that happen and then have

605
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: Tennessee beat boat both Buffalo and Kansas City, I felt

606
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Speaker 1: like it was a real swing for just being able

607
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Speaker 1: to win to division, you know. And now it's just

608
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: double down right where all chips are in this week

609
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: and he's gotta gotta win to have a chance there.

610
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Speaker 1: I when I look at those teams that are kind

611
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Speaker 1: of on the outside looking in, moo. I mean, you

612
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: fear Kansas City, but I don't know if Pittsburgh's gonna hold.

613
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if New England really is.

614
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean to me, for these teams that are down there,

615
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: let's just rule out Houston, Miami, Jacksonville in the Jets. Okay,

616
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Speaker 1: so you're sort of in this mix of Denver, Kansas City,

617
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Speaker 1: New England, Pittsburgh. You know, maybe it's Cleveland in that mix. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping if I'm into you. That's why I got

619
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz the second half of the season. Does he

620
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: grow into someone who gives you the edge? Not over

621
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Speaker 1: Kansas City probably, but maybe over an injured Mayfield, right,

622
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: maybe over an old Den Roethlisberger, Maybe over a young

623
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Speaker 1: Max Jones. I think that would be sort of certainly

624
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: over a Teddy Bridgewater, right, Those types of quarterbacks, those

625
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: are the teams you sort of probably have to overcome

626
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: if you can't overcome Tennessee to win the division, and

627
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: they're not too far behind to do it, even though,

628
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: like I said that, Baltimore one man, if they would

629
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Speaker 1: have had that, I think you'd be prime position. I

630
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Speaker 1: just want to ask you to go back to the

631
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Speaker 1: quarterback Tier's one other thing on this because I listened

632
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Speaker 1: to the podcast you did with Robert May's The mail

633
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Bag episode last week where you got a couple of

634
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: questions about, like Ken Lamar move up to a different

635
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: tier next year, and like where are these guys going

636
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: to wind up in different tiers? Carson being Tier three

637
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: this year, do you see if things continue to progress

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Speaker 1: the way that they're on, that he gets back up

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Speaker 1: into that Tier two. And I guess, just our listeners

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Speaker 1: in addition to that, what would you define a Tier

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Speaker 1: two quarterback as versus a Tier three quarterback? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so obviously Tier one is good and Tier four or

643
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Speaker 1: five would be the worst. And you know, a Tier

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Speaker 1: one kind of carries his team and can handle those

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Speaker 1: situations when you have to throw the ball, you know,

646
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Speaker 1: are really hard, right, and they do it consistently week

647
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Speaker 1: to week the team wins because of them. In the

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Speaker 1: second tier, you kind of do that some of the time.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like you know, over the years, Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan or Matt Stafford, they've kind of been in Tier

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Speaker 1: two they're really good quarterbacks, but you wouldn't put them

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Speaker 1: up there with the Bradies and the Rodgers or in

653
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Speaker 1: recent years, you know Russell Wilson, those search of guys.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a line. And the Tier three has

655
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: traditionally kind of been an Andy Dalton type. You know,

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Speaker 1: somebody you can win with when it's really good around you,

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Speaker 1: but he really needs to help. You may not want

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Speaker 1: to be as aggressive of a throwing team. You might

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Speaker 1: need to have an upper half or top ten defense

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Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs and win. And I think

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Speaker 1: on talent and some past production, Wentz was seen as

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Speaker 1: a until the wheels are still off this last year

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Speaker 1: and you wondered. You wondered about him physically holding up.

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Speaker 1: That's a big component. You wondered where his head was, right,

665
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was a messy situation in Philly. So

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Speaker 1: he falls down into Tier three. There were still nine

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Speaker 1: voters that put him in Tier two, So yes, I

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Speaker 1: think he can get back to two tier two. I

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Speaker 1: think that includes him driving probably some team success in

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season. Follow him on Twitter

671
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Speaker 1: at Sando NFL. We're wrapping up here with you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on in the Athletic. All the information you

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00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: need is on his Twitter page, The Athletic, the Football GMPOD,

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Speaker 1: The Athletic Football Show. He's a Hall of Fame selector

675
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: and a great guy. I gotta talk to him some

676
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Speaker 1: more quarterbacks, which I love talking. It's off of the

677
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Speaker 1: colts path though. Where does well Aaron Rodgers play football

678
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Speaker 1: outside of Green Bay next year? And does Deshaun Watson

679
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Speaker 1: play football in this league anytime soon? Yeah? You know,

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Speaker 1: I was just going back and forth of someone with

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Speaker 1: a team about Watson, like what do we think is

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Speaker 1: going to happen? And the thing I keep coming back

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Speaker 1: to is like, he can't play. He's not going to

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Speaker 1: play soon. He's not going to play this year. So

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Speaker 1: if you're a Miami and you've lost seven in a

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Speaker 1: row and you acquire Watson, he doesn't help you end

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Speaker 1: the losing streak right now, right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of an awkward acquisition that would be being

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Speaker 1: made only because there's a deadline right now. Right. He's

690
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 1: not going to help your team. He's gonna he's gonna

691
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Speaker 1: cloud it for two in Miami or wherever he goes.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's fascinating I'm not sure where that goes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, most people that I talk to in the

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Speaker 1: league seem to think that something's going to happen, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of more like, I'll kind of believe it

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Speaker 1: when I see it, because I don't know what you

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Speaker 1: do with them. When you get him, you'd have to

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Speaker 1: have some real assurances giving up three number one picks.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you need to know, like he's going to maybe

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Speaker 1: play next year or this year that I've only to

701
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: be a tough one as a GM to sit up

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Speaker 1: there in a press conference with the Shawn Watson next

703
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Speaker 1: to you right now and say this is our guy.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a lot easier to do the trade

705
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: on paper and say we got Watson, isn't it? But

706
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Speaker 1: to sit up there if you're if you're George Peyton

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Speaker 1: in your first year in Denver, do you want to

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Speaker 1: sign up for that? No? No, I mean you got

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Speaker 1: to hard. Yeah, you gotta have some backup on that too,

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Speaker 1: and you know you have to. That's gonna take some

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Speaker 1: time too to change that that sort of mentality that

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Speaker 1: people have towards him because of the number of accusations

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Speaker 1: that he's faced. You know what, I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: just one or two or in double digits here, and

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Speaker 1: when you talk about what the accusations are, you know,

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Speaker 1: then it's just it didn't even feel right to me.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna believe it when I see it. If

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Speaker 1: it happens, I think it'll because of the owner. I

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Speaker 1: do think that Rogers. You know, I thought when they

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Speaker 1: drafted Jordan Love, there's no way they're gonna sit Love

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Speaker 1: for three years. You have to make a decision on

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Speaker 1: his option. Yeah, you know what I mean. So I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to be moved. I mean, wow, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's really tough because he's so good. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess you have to leave open the possibility.

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00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: What if you see MVP again? What if they you know,

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Speaker 1: get to the championship game. I mean, to me, it's

728
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Speaker 1: just so hard to walk away from that. But that

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00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: seems to be where it's headed. And I think they

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Speaker 1: put themselves on that path when they drafted the Love.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love talking football with you, love

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00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: talking quarterbacks with him. I also love the love that

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Speaker 1: you a lot of loves going on. You gave the

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Speaker 1: great love to Matt Hasselback last night via Twitter talking

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Speaker 1: about him and covering him and what kind of stand

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Speaker 1: up guy is. And I known him a short period

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Speaker 1: of time, Lara, I don't know if you remember or

738
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: around for Hasselback, but had some chances to, you know,

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Speaker 1: sit and talk with himself. You're you're spot on, mister Sando,

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00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: spot on about him, like because he's such a great guy.

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00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: He came in, he played, you know, gave everything he had.

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00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: He knows he wasn't the best quarterback in the league,

743
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Speaker 1: but by Gal, he's going to go out there and fight.

744
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: And a great person off the field too, So hats

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Speaker 1: off to you for that tweet. I agree. He's a

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Speaker 1: very funny guy too. He had a very dry sense

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Speaker 1: of humor and he can laugh at himself. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was a Seahawk Speat reporter for nine years and

749
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Speaker 1: probably I probably included his first seven years in Seattle,

750
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Speaker 1: so you know, spend a lot of time with him

751
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: back in the days when reporters were in the locker

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00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: room and had more one on one interaction, you know,

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Speaker 1: with players. You really got to know him, and he

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: was a real favorite. He just really was really, really

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00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: was good. So and I still enjoy talking to him.

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Speaker 1: Periodically and I worked with them a little bit of ESPN,

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Speaker 1: so he's one of the best. Great speaking to one

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00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: of the best. That's you, mister Sando. Thanks for doing

759
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: it for many years, covering this great game and coming

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: on and sharing some thoughts and wisdom with us. It's

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00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: a big week for hearing us, for us here in Indianapolis.

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00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot can be changed by this Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: So I want to bring you back in a couple

764
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Speaker 1: of weeks down the road and see where we're at.

765
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: We got playoffs, we've got an extra seventeenth game this year,

766
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: and other things going on, and got to talk about

767
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: Tom Brady a little bit and see what he's doing.

768
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Speaker 1: So if you'll find the time first, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have you back, sir, Hey, thanks very much. I enjoyed

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00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: it all right, Mike. Check him out on Twitter at

771
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Sando NFL. Sh at the time, Mike, thank you. Another

772
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: big hand for Mike Sando again follow him on Twitter

773
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: at Sando NFL. You're right, JJ, I mean make hando

774
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: for Sanda. Hando for Sando makes me smarter. Listen to

775
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: the Oh. I like guys like that. You kind of

776
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: do that to me. Too, Laura. Lara has been doing

777
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: that forever. If I could pronounce her first name right,

778
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: I've only known it for ten years. I just almost

779
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: called you Laura again. Sorry, yeah, training camp. What's that's

780
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: what I mean again? I called I'm going out with Laura.

781
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: It's like stupid, Come on, it's right next to you

782
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: the whole day. That's all right. I'm glad you guys

783
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Speaker 1: are here. So here's what we haven't gone over. We

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Speaker 1: have this monumental game on Sunday at Lucas Oil Stadium.

785
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. You'll lose the game. You're three behind

786
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: them in the race for the AFC South. You can

787
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: pretty much bark it up the tree that it's it's

788
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: over with. You win this thing. You're a game back,

789
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Speaker 1: you're fighting for it. You got those common imponents on

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00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: the other side that you still have to get through. So, Lara,

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00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: I want to start with you, your thoughts on this game,

792
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what happened last a few weeks back

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, but more importantly, with a hot Carson Wentz,

794
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman that says I'm here to dynamy dominate, and

795
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor we got him on our turf this weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me, it's all going to come down to an

797
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: effective pass rush, I think because where the Titans killed

798
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: you in Nashville was very much on allowing Ryan Tannehill

799
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Speaker 1: to roll out and create those opportunities that he did

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00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: early on. So to me, it's all yes, yes, yes,

801
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry of course always, but you know what that

802
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: beast is. You know what that attack is going to be,

803
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know that that really comes down to not

804
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: giving up those monster chunk plays, not allowing Derrick Henry

805
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: to explode for a forty fifty sixty yard type of play.

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00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: To me, more so, where you have to be effective

807
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: is in containing Ryan Tannehill and not allowing him to

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00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: roll out on some of those bootlegs like you saw

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo do so effectively in that first quarter against

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Speaker 1: the Colts, and the Colts adjusted for it, and we're

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Speaker 1: very effective for remainder of the game. So to me,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the defense is going to come down

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Speaker 1: to being more effective in getting to the quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: love the turnover opportunities, the takeaways that the Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 1: defense is creating of late and the way that they

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Speaker 1: have played in back to back games. Certainly love where

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00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the offense is, but I think for me, the bigger

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Speaker 1: strides that you need to see in this matchup are

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Speaker 1: going to come on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Offense doesn't need to force too much. Just kind of

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Speaker 1: continue what you're doing. Continue this groove that you guys

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Speaker 1: have been on, the improved timing that we are seeing.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the progression of Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman Junior. Also, guys,

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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about this yet, really loved the use

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00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: of Kiki ut in that game. Sure, welcome to Indianapolis, Kiki. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Larah, I think the point about Ryan Tannhill's really

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Speaker 1: good because that is where the Colts got gashed against

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Speaker 1: the Titans. It wasn't Derrick Henry. I mean, Henry had

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Speaker 1: over one hundred yards, but he had to have thirty

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Speaker 1: something carries to get there. The Colts tackled really well

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Speaker 1: against Derrick Henry. You know, whether it was Kenny Moore

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Speaker 1: or you know carry will I guess you know Julian

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Speaker 1: Blackman in that game. Unfortunately he won't be obviously playing

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Speaker 1: this week. Um. Some stuff on Derrick Henry though, is

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Speaker 1: just mine. Bring it man, because he is the the

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Speaker 1: you know, he is the four horses that pushn Now

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Speaker 1: it's first touchdown. Derrick Henry is one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: eight rushing attempts this year. The second most in the

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Speaker 1: NFL is Joe Mixon with one hundred and twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That is a difference of eighty nine carries. Derrick Henry

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Speaker 1: leads the Derrick Henry leads the NFL in every single

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Speaker 1: rushing category nine hundred and fifteen yards. Second in the

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Speaker 1: NFL is Jonathan Taylor with five ninety seven. That's a

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Speaker 1: difference of three hundred and eighteen yards. That is three

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Speaker 1: yards off from the difference between Jonathan Taylor and Alex Collins,

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Speaker 1: who is thirty fifth in the NFL. And rushing yards,

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Speaker 1: the same gap between number one and number two is

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Speaker 1: the is the gap between number two and number thirty five.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL. Derrick Henry is six hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: nine yards after contact. Jonathan Taylor is second with four

851
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one two hundred and fifty yards difference there.

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00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry his ten rushing touchdowns. Second in the NFL

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Speaker 1: is six Jonathan Taylor is third with five. Derrick Henry

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00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: has forty five first down runs. Jonathan Taylor is second

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Speaker 1: with thirty six. Derrick Henry has twenty two explosive runs

856
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Speaker 1: of ten or more yards. Jonathan Taylor is third with sixteen.

857
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Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make here is not that

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is the best running back in the NFL

859
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: because he is. If Derrick Henry did not exist, If

860
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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry went back to the planet that he's from

861
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Speaker 1: because he's an alien and he's terrestrial for presents in Tennessee,

862
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor would be the best five pounds. Yeah, Jonathan

863
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Speaker 1: Taylor would be the best running back in the NFL

864
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Speaker 1: if Derrick Henry didn't land on this planet, you know,

865
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Speaker 1: like a space invader coming in. It's just it's crazy

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Speaker 1: how good Derrick Henry is. Jonathan Taylor's really really good.

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Speaker 1: He's great. He's an elite running back, and Derrick Henry

868
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Speaker 1: is in this stratosphere that we've we haven't scene since

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Speaker 1: what like Eric Dickerson, Sure, I mean, but that's side

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Speaker 1: nine geez, I Like Lara said, I mean two hundred

871
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Speaker 1: forty five pounds, I say, that's yeah. I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: coastre to two sixty, then he is two forty five.

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is a giant when he gets

874
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: next to people. But I can't wait. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: go over. He's two sixty at the beginning of the game,

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Speaker 1: he's two forty five when he's done. That's how much

877
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Speaker 1: he's run over the course of the game. Dominating performance.

878
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: As far as putting the number one quarter running back

879
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: in the league up against the number two, it really isn't.

880
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: They're close, don't get me wrong, like you said, but

881
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: the usage of a guy like that, the usage is

882
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: what they're they're just riding out. So hopefully, Hey, those

883
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: guys got to slow up a little bit because you

884
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: got you got eleven guys taking shots at you at

885
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: the amount that that Derrick Henry is mountain of a man.

886
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: Or rally to the football. Yeah, it's going to the place.

887
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: And Lara, I love what you said. We're ending this

888
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: thing up. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers, turn rovers. They had three

889
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: of them last time these two teams played, and we

890
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: lost the football game. That doesn't happen a lot in

891
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. So hopefully they can continue that stretch this

892
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: week and one of the things I talked with Frank

893
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: Reich about before the San Francisco game was not just

894
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: getting the turnovers and creating the opportunities, but doing something

895
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: with them. And that was where I felt like the

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00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts in that first matchup with Tennessee did not

897
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: do an effective enough job with was getting points on

898
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Speaker 1: the board off of turnovers. And we saw them do

899
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: an exceptional job with that against the Niners. So we

900
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: have seen now that this is starting to come to

901
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: fruition where not only is your defense creating those takeaways,

902
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: getting you those takeaways in various capacities, but now you're

903
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: also seeing your offense either get field goals or get

904
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: touchdowns out of those opportunities when you have them. Double

905
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Speaker 1: J real quick. Before we go to trivia time. We're

906
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Speaker 1: giving away some money. Yeah, with Casey value, everybody can play.

907
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: But JJ, before that, I had a great question for you,

908
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: and now it's lost. I do that a lot, so

909
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: let me let me bring it back, Lara, look at me.

910
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: I got it back. I got it all right, I

911
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: got it back. I don't need to because everyone's here

912
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: for this beta version of the podcast. But love t

913
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: Y Hilton Bradon Smith, give me some other names. Who

914
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: can we see this week? The new signing. We got

915
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: the defensive field help, Yes, yeah, so um t J. Kerry,

916
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: We'll see. He's got to still be activated to return

917
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: to practice. He has not been designated to return to

918
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: practice off ir. That would definitely help with the Colts

919
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: needing some depth at cornerback. You brought it up though,

920
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Jeffrey t Y Hilton he was close to playing against

921
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. Frank Creak indicated he's got some confidence.

922
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Ty is gonna play on Sunday against the Titans. Braden

923
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Smith is the one to watch this week because he

924
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: returned in a limited fashion to practice on Friday before

925
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers game. He's never gonna play against

926
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco, but that's the first time we've seen Braden

927
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Smith out on a field with his helmet since he

928
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: got hurt against the Seahawks in Week one. You get

929
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: him back at right tackle all of a sudden for

930
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: the first time all year. You're offensive line as whole

931
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: from left or right. Let no cap. You say, yes,

932
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: he was out there with a helmet and no cap,

933
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: which is for our youth listeners. They know what we're

934
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: They know what I'm talking about. Hey, one point that

935
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: I just made, I was asked about, I don't know

936
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Speaker 1: what the hell that means. What does that mean? No, cap,

937
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I'll explain it to you those guys. Back to a

938
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: tweet of jj SO for a few weeks back. But

939
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: one point I made in regards to t Y Hilton

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00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: when I was asked on a radio interview earlier today,

941
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: is I said that the risk of the conditions being

942
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: what they were in San Francisco was not worth putting

943
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: t Y out there. It was less than full less

944
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: than feeling at full strength. So to me, it was

945
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: just it was a smart business decision personnel wise. You

946
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: had the guys that you believed in to get it done.

947
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: The better option was to allow t Y to rest

948
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: up because you are going to need him in this

949
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: game against the Tennessee. Wait, we need everybody in this one.

950
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: We were hurting a little bit, they're hurting a little bit,

951
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: but it's imperative we get this game because there we're

952
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be back in the rearview mirror a distance if

953
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: we can't get this one. So it's happening on Sunday

954
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: at one o'clock at Lucas Oils Halloween. By the way,

955
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: what better time for the ghost to be back. You're

956
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna wear some well, I better wear something.

957
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: I think they'll kick me out. No, I mean like,

958
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's a different shot. I mean like, hey, Tucker, Hey,

959
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean I mean a Halloween costume. What do you think. No,

960
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing hot Halloween. I'm not wearing anything. My

961
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: presence is scary enough as it is. No, U, No,

962
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we are. You are. Maybe I don't know.

963
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I like all the Michael Myers thing, but I

964
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: got to wear a hot, sweaty mask or something like that.

965
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just yeah, not probably not, probably not.

966
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: But you know what, one man who will be in

967
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: costume on Sunday, we're gonna have him him, give us

968
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: a chance to win some money. Bring him up to

969
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the Mike Casey Valier. He is the host of Countdown

970
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: to Kick Off you here in pregame and uh he

971
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: does so much behind the scenes here, including on this

972
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: show as well. And Casey, we appreciate you coming. And

973
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get these kids. I'm gonna

974
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Jim Mercy is kind enough and

975
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: uh and that would help if I turned you on

976
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: right there, Jim Mercy my own thing. That's okay. He's

977
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: putting up five hundred dollars utility player that Casey Vallee

978
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: and the recipient recipient if you, I'll tell you what

979
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: they're getting the money, whether you get it or not,

980
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: I want to know it for you, Lara, Lara Overton,

981
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: have you seen these questions? You I have not seen.

982
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: I want you to play along then, because this is

983
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: when Jimmer and Jimmer says money. Because here's the good news.

984
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: Indiana Youth Group, the game day collections for this upcoming

985
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: game against the Titans, they will be the ones that

986
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: will be getting this five hundred dollars. But Casey, you

987
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: got to try and earn it a little bit. I've

988
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: got two questions coming from the brilliant mind of J. J.

989
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: Stankomits Are you both ready? Lara Overton, Casey v ready

990
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: as I'll ever be. Can I use Google? Can I

991
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: use use whatever you want Google? But it's not gonna

992
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: help whatever? Can we use that? Ask still around for stuff? Okay,

993
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: here we go. There are three current head coaches who

994
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: spent time as assistance with these Colts. Who are they? Again?

995
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: There are three current head coaches who spent time as

996
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: assistance with the Colts. One, Um, I mean yeah, I

997
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: mean this happened recently. No, I mean real recent fly

998
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: ego fly Oh Nick Siriani yahks for that, Gorman, but

999
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: there's no chance. Let's go to Denver and look at

1000
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: Vic Foio is here, Yeah, a coordinator two thousand and

1001
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: one and I totally forgot about. Okay, Nick FONGIOI It's

1002
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: it's like when Gorman says the Patriots. You know what.

1003
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with I was talking with Frank

1004
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: yesterday and I said Mario and he said, do you

1005
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: say Mario or Mario? Said Mario, and he said that

1006
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: he always grew up saying Mario, and Carson always gives

1007
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: him a hard time about it because Carson's like, it

1008
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: is not Mario. So it's like a very yes, it's

1009
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: the East Coast thing. Yeah, one of those things like

1010
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I always make when they're like tomato tomato, Like I've

1011
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: never met anybody that's ever called it a tomato. But clearly,

1012
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: if if Frank s Mario Mario or what is Mario

1013
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: he special special thanks to Bruce Arians Okayio and Nick

1014
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: Siriano Sriano or letting me butcher all three of them. No,

1015
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: thanks to Nick Sirianni, big Bangio and Bruce Arens. You

1016
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: guys are correct head coaches that have spent time here

1017
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: with the Colts. You're gonna wind this podcast up with

1018
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: one last question. Darius Leonard leads the colch with three

1019
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: forced fumbles this season. Five other Colts have one. Darius

1020
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: has three, five others have one. Named two of them

1021
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: forced fumbles forced fumbles. We got a bunch of one

1022
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: with one. Taekwon Lewis there is not one, darn it.

1023
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: Julian Blackman, there's one, and carry willis oh so close,

1024
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: but it isn't there. Julian Blackman's the only one that

1025
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: had that. How about this? A Q Mohammed big Grove

1026
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and Jacoby Brissette absolutely, j Speed also had a forced

1027
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: fumble and Rock you said, Titans. Here's the good news

1028
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: the bad news. The bad news is you guys weren't

1029
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: great at this, and the bad news is I butchered

1030
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: some names. But the good news is five hundred bucks

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Speaker 1: is going to Indiana youth. There you go. They are

1032
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Speaker 1: the game day collections for this Sunday's game. We do it.

1033
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: We job Joffre, Laura Overton, Lara Overton joins us double J.

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00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: We call him JJ stank Events, and of course Casey Value.

1035
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: You don't hear him all the time, but believe me,

1036
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: he's everywhere. Case appreciate the help. And then thanks for

1037
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: Butcher and those those questions. You got it. I love

1038
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: bringing you on for that. So I'm good at you

1039
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: know are good at. Anyway, listen. We are part of

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00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: the Colts Audio Network. This Colts Official podcast. Anywhere you

1041
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: find podcasts, you can find the Colts Audio Network. A

1042
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: big thanks to Mike Sando at Sando NFL as his

1043
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: Twitter follow and he is smarter than most of us. So, guys,

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Speaker 1: I had a great time today. This is a big

1045
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Speaker 1: one coming up on Halloween. JJ Stankobitz, Lara Overton and

1046
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Speaker 1: Casey Valier. I am Jeffrey Gorman cat Check with Colts

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Speaker 1: dot com. Check with their Twitter apps. You know at

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Speaker 1: Lara Overton at JJ Stakobitz. You know these guys got

1049
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: information and breaking information. We're gonna bring you the latest

1050
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: on Braden Smith, t Y Hilton included. And it starts

1051
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: this Sunday. The rise continues. Let's go, let's get back

1052
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: in this thing. Let's beat the Titans. We will see

1053
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: you guys on Sunday again. Colts dot com for all

1054
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Speaker 1: the latest information. Thanks guys, appreciate your time.