WEBVTT - #496 Maggie Freleng with William Beeman

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, You have a call at no expense to you

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<v Speaker 1>from an inmate at Anamosa Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>What did he call himself?

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<v Speaker 1>You may begin speaking now, Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Is this William?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? What do you like to be called? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>like to be called will or William?

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<v Speaker 4>Most people call me Drifty Drifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill got the nickname drifty because his mind tends to

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<v Speaker 2>wander and he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Aloof Bill was kind of a loner.

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<v Speaker 2>This is his mom, Donna.

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<v Speaker 1>He's off from the corner by himself, reading or watching television.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't like crowds.

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<v Speaker 2>Crowds even people I like it, don't like crowd especially

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<v Speaker 2>in prison.

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<v Speaker 4>I come in when I was twenty three. I was

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<v Speaker 4>sixty seven. Now do you realize what happened day to

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<v Speaker 4>day in a place like this? And I just he

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sticks to himself, and the name drifty stuck

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Like this. One time in the prison yard,

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<v Speaker 2>two guys started getting into it.

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<v Speaker 4>They get dark in then down the old fort. I

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<v Speaker 4>used to watch the two red tail hawks sore while

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<v Speaker 4>they were arguing, and he says, ah, there he goes

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<v Speaker 4>drifted off again.

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<v Speaker 2>Drifty Beaman, but he also says I can call him Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm William Beaman. I've been incarcerated for forty four years

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<v Speaker 4>or something that I didn't do, and I hope some

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<v Speaker 4>good comes of this, not only for me, but for others.

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<v Speaker 2>From LoVa for good. This is wrongful conviction with Maggie

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<v Speaker 2>Freeling today. William Beeman. William Beeman was born April twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, in Muscatine, Iowa. What was life like

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<v Speaker 2>growing up in Iowa?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey?

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<v Speaker 4>It was great. Mustin eat that that rule. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it ain't no big city, but we had a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of industry and stuff around. Heine's fargest metalw factory was

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<v Speaker 4>in Muscatine Banded eggs Hedge Corners. We had three factors

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<v Speaker 4>to them.

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<v Speaker 2>And many many other factories. Once known as the pearl

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<v Speaker 2>button capital of the world in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>before most buttons were made of plastic, Muscatines button factories

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<v Speaker 2>employed half of the city's workforce. The city was the

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<v Speaker 2>world's largest producer of pearl buttons. Muscatine was a blue

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<v Speaker 2>collar town, and so was Bill's family. Here's Bill's mom

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<v Speaker 2>Donna again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a checkout at highge and I also managed

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<v Speaker 1>the music department at war Worse.

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<v Speaker 2>She was also a mom to two other.

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<v Speaker 3>Kids, two girls and a boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill is in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry's four years older than I am. She's mom's first marriage.

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<v Speaker 4>And my little sisters you're younger. And we were together

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<v Speaker 4>all the time, and Teresa.

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa and Belle were like two pieces of pod where

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen one, you've seen the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill and his little sister, Teresa did everything together.

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<v Speaker 4>Every now and then at dolls was or so she'd

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<v Speaker 4>play army with me. I thought both of them how

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<v Speaker 4>to fight is one against two, But I got a

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<v Speaker 4>little nose star fighting back. They had to learn how

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<v Speaker 4>to fight, so it kind of hard. Hits some sentence too.

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<v Speaker 1>The girls kicked on him that I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>because he was a boy.

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<v Speaker 5>What would they do?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh just tale tale stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, Bill's doing this, Bill's doing that?

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<v Speaker 3>Which wasn't He wasn't doing anything really, so.

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<v Speaker 4>I was two against fun. One time I got accused

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<v Speaker 4>of shooting out a woman's neighbor woman's window with my beaf. Again,

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<v Speaker 4>as the only guy on the blocks that had to

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<v Speaker 4>beat against him, I had to pay for the window.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to help fix mode and filled the snowing

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<v Speaker 4>lawn for a year. Yeah, I've been down here four

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<v Speaker 4>or five years and found out Terry's the woman done it,

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<v Speaker 4>because that woman made her mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Donna now remembers those times fondly.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a happy, go lucky kid.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a no adney on a mini bike, and

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<v Speaker 1>he made ramp some things out here in the backyard

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<v Speaker 1>and jumped them and rode over him.

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<v Speaker 2>She remembers hunting and family camping trips and making him

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<v Speaker 2>his favorite food.

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<v Speaker 1>He likes whoppers, and then he likes pizza. When he

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, I fixed stuff on the grill at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and there was hamburgers and hotbugs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he just lived on stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Donna remembers being close with her only son.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seemed like every time he had a little problem,

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<v Speaker 1>he would come to me and his dad usually sup

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in the daytime because he worked at night.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I don't know what to say. Bill

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<v Speaker 3>and I were just close.

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<v Speaker 2>Donna says. The girls were troublemakers, but not Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill smoked, He never drank, he never took street drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>He just well I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He stayed home most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>At night, they would watch TV or cook, or Bill

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<v Speaker 2>would go off and do his favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was what he was more interested than was his

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<v Speaker 1>mini bike and modad and his motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 2>As Bill got older, he struggled in school. Donna says

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<v Speaker 2>he would have to stay home often because he'd get

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<v Speaker 2>so worked up about going to school he'd make himself sick.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually ran a fever and throw up. Really yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bill was very smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite being smart, school just wasn't for Bill, so Donna

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<v Speaker 2>took him out instead. Bill got his ged and joined

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<v Speaker 2>a job core program in South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to South Dakota. I got thirtified as a

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<v Speaker 4>welder Union carpentry building supply.

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<v Speaker 2>After getting certified, Bill bounced around working different gigs, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what he wanted to do in life.

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<v Speaker 4>Or did gas station as maintenance man at a nursery

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<v Speaker 4>or nursing home. I was a maintenance man in a

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<v Speaker 4>dress shop or gas stations, working a couple of different

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<v Speaker 4>button factories, one feet mill bandagg rubber, retire pre.

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<v Speaker 2>Treading, lots of working and writing. What did you write?

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<v Speaker 4>What I was doing? The street racing and stuff on

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<v Speaker 4>the street with the dirt bike was three fifty six

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<v Speaker 4>fifty straight bike and a GS thousand Dzuki street.

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<v Speaker 2>In his early twenties, Bill was good looking, tall, slim,

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<v Speaker 2>with floey brown hair. He's been described as a charmer,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's evident by the amount of girlfriends Bill says

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<v Speaker 2>he had.

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of a butthole because how was Cardra to

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<v Speaker 4>settle down.

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<v Speaker 2>After a while searching for the right job, Bill finally

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<v Speaker 2>found one he liked as a part time DJ at

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<v Speaker 2>a local night spot called Baker's Front Street Disco. What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of music were you playing?

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<v Speaker 4>Disco?

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<v Speaker 2>Disco? So you know, what would that have been like

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy eight, What were the heads?

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<v Speaker 4>What all depends on the real disco was always you

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<v Speaker 4>had to beg Michael Jackson had more than people thought.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you had poin Iner sisters and oh it's been

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<v Speaker 4>a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be wondering what a guy who hates crowds

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<v Speaker 2>was doing as a DJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill says that the DJ booth was on the side

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<v Speaker 2>and floor. There was only room for him and a

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<v Speaker 2>few chairs.

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<v Speaker 4>So there wasn't a bunch of people coming up there

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<v Speaker 4>and stand in row right, so I wasn't in any

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<v Speaker 4>crowds and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bill loved it. He was part of the fun,

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<v Speaker 2>but far away enough to feel safe.

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<v Speaker 4>I could look out over the dance floor and everything,

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<v Speaker 4>see everybody having a good time, and I knew they

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<v Speaker 4>were doing it because of me. And that's what being

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<v Speaker 4>a DJ mean to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill had the life.

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<v Speaker 4>As DJ and night I built remodeled houses during the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I really liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>One night in April nineteen eighty, twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Beeman was in his DJ booths.

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<v Speaker 4>People would use all kinds of different reasons to come

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<v Speaker 4>talk to me up in the booth, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>gets first place I heard.

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<v Speaker 2>About it about the body of a young woman found

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<v Speaker 2>in the campground of wildcat Den State Park. She was

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<v Speaker 2>naked and had been beaten and stabbed seventeen times. Whispers

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<v Speaker 2>of the crime were making their way around town.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everybody was talking about it. Mom and dad was

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<v Speaker 4>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The body turned out to be twenty two year old

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Winkle. Police said she had last been seen on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>April twenty first, nineteen eighty at the Canterbury Inn and Spa,

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<v Speaker 2>A hotel she would go and swim at after work.

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Winkle allegedly spent a lot of time alone.

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<v Speaker 5>She didn't seem to have a lot of close friends

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<v Speaker 5>are relatives.

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<v Speaker 2>Erica Nichols Cook is the director of the Wrongful Conviction

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<v Speaker 2>Unit at the Iowa Public Defender's Office. She says Michelle

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<v Speaker 2>also spent a lot of time at the mall.

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<v Speaker 5>She was also known as the crier by a group

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<v Speaker 5>of girls who worked at the mall. That's so mean

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<v Speaker 5>because she'd walk around them all crying.

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<v Speaker 2>Erica says Michelle had a troubled life.

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<v Speaker 5>She had experienced a lot of mental instability. She had

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<v Speaker 5>been treated for psychiatric issues in seventy eight seventy nine

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<v Speaker 5>at the University of Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>She had recently moved back home with her parents, who

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<v Speaker 2>were devout Catholics, and Erica says Michelle's father could be.

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<v Speaker 5>Abusive, comments about her being overweight. There was comments that

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<v Speaker 5>she wouldn't wear red because her dad said only sluts

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<v Speaker 5>were read, that he called her piggy, those types of things.

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<v Speaker 2>So kind of a sad life.

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<v Speaker 5>That sounds like, yes, I think, much more so than

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<v Speaker 5>the state portrayed at the trial. She'd had some struggles.

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<v Speaker 5>We also learned that she liked a hitchhike.

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle had recently been in a car accident and her

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<v Speaker 2>dad wouldn't let her drive the family car anymore. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>living on a state highway, she had to walk everywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>So she would walk along this state highway and catch

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<v Speaker 5>a ride into town or catch a ride back out.

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<v Speaker 2>She was last seen that Monday around ten forty five pm,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the spa and getting into a brown car with

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<v Speaker 2>a white man. Five days later, her body was found.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the sticking points in this investigation was that

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't have any immediate leads of who Michelle was

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<v Speaker 5>with or who she could have been hanging out with

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<v Speaker 5>or gotten a ride from.

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<v Speaker 2>Police evaluated her body for sexual assaults and collected semen

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<v Speaker 2>and blood samples, but in nineteen eighty forensic testing was

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<v Speaker 2>in its infancy. The most law enforcement could determine from

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<v Speaker 2>a sample was blood type, and their tests found specimens

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<v Speaker 2>from an unknown male and.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone told investigators that she used to go to Baker's

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<v Speaker 5>Front Street disco and that they had seen her there.

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<v Speaker 2>Police thought maybe she got a ride to the disco

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<v Speaker 2>after swimming.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the only reason they even interviewed me. They

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<v Speaker 4>thought maybe her with somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>More than a week after the body was found, police

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<v Speaker 2>brought him Bill for questioning. Bill says he was laid

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<v Speaker 2>up and on painkillers because he'd broken his foot on

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<v Speaker 2>his birthday about two weeks earlier. He also had a migraine.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had migraine headaches since I was a little kid,

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<v Speaker 4>and my dumbass didn't know I couldn't mix the pain

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<v Speaker 4>painkiller from migraines with the painkiller for more broken foot.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of that, he was now in a

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<v Speaker 2>police station being asked about Michelle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't know her at all, but police.

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<v Speaker 2>Let him go home.

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<v Speaker 5>His girlfriend is then questioned.

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<v Speaker 2>His girlfriend, Joyce, and she.

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<v Speaker 5>Says, well, he was with me that week of his birthday,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, after he broke his foot, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Her memory was blurry, and she says.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know for sure about Monday night if he

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<v Speaker 5>stayed at my house or went to his apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill had accompanied Joyce to the police station that day

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<v Speaker 2>on May eighth, and police brought him back in to

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<v Speaker 2>question him again about what had happened Monday night.

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<v Speaker 5>And during that interrogation they tell Bill that we know

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<v Speaker 5>that you know something. We think you picked her up

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<v Speaker 5>and killed her Monday night.

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<v Speaker 4>They must have realized I was on drog or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>and decided to had done.

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<v Speaker 2>They also knew Bill had a reputation.

0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.880
<v Speaker 4>I've never been addicted to anything other than motorcycles.

0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:57.600
<v Speaker 2>And maybe girls. Bill had a reputation with girls.

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<v Speaker 4>And a club. I had three motorcycles. I had a

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<v Speaker 4>fifty seven two to a hard top. I had a

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<v Speaker 4>blue van and the sixty eight BIS came and a

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<v Speaker 4>fan cloth and they made a joke about it. Day

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<v Speaker 4>after I got arrested, nine girls come down Stanley. We

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<v Speaker 4>were engaged and needed to talk to me. See, I

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<v Speaker 4>told you I was about all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have been a butthole, but Bill says he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a killer, and he had an alibi for Monday night.

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<v Speaker 4>I stopped the Clark gas station. It was not far

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<v Speaker 4>from where I lived, talked to a girl about my

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<v Speaker 4>birthday party. The next day I got home.

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<v Speaker 2>Joyce was there, but detectives weren't buying it. They were

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<v Speaker 2>pointing the finger at Bill in the interrogation room, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bill says his mind was cloudy from the meds and

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<v Speaker 2>from fear.

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<v Speaker 4>They both had their guns out, wiping them off of handkerchiefs,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was thinking, this don't look good, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was starting to feel kind of happy, I guess, and

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<v Speaker 4>they kept saying, well, what if we had somebody that

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<v Speaker 4>seen it. I said, they're lying because I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was confused because I knew I didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 4>So how can they have this evidence? How can they

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<v Speaker 4>have these witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>The interrogation wasn't recorded, and Bill didn't have a lawyer present,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next thing he knows, he's in a holding cell.

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought they gout me for like a drunken

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<v Speaker 4>disorderly or something like that, and cop star laughing, SNA boys.

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<v Speaker 4>So they got you in here for murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Police called Donna to the station.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even know where he was at or what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing in there. When I walked in, I

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<v Speaker 1>said Bill, I said what is going on? And he said, Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He said, they took my picture and

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<v Speaker 1>took my wallet and my shoe strings.

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<v Speaker 2>According to police, Bill signed a confession. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>signing anything like? Do you remember having anything in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember riding nothing, not I remember going in

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<v Speaker 4>there and Nick harping on this. Bad witnesses, bad evidence.

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<v Speaker 4>They were cleaning their guns, they were doing this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>my mind was on cody.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was the statement signed by Bill saying he

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<v Speaker 2>picked up Michelle that night, took her to the park

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<v Speaker 2>where they made out, and after she refused to have

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<v Speaker 2>sex with him, he kicked her in the head with

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<v Speaker 2>a steel toe boot. By the time the sexual assault

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<v Speaker 2>kit came back, it didn't matter that the samples didn't

0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:58.840
<v Speaker 2>match Bill. Law enforcement had what they needed, a confession.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill arrested that day on May eighth, for the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of Michelle Winkle. Donna was frantic trying to help Bill

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<v Speaker 2>and pay a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars bond.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that we could have got him out of

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<v Speaker 1>bond by putting my house up for you know, collateral.

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<v Speaker 3>And Dick wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill's dad, He said no.

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<v Speaker 1>And I tried to sell my coin collection and different things,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't enough money.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, how much money did you get for the coins?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I only got five hundred dollars and I should

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<v Speaker 1>have got about two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>That I had to pay.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyers had to pay somebody. They got court appointed,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was somebody they had to pay, so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to sell it and give them the money. And

0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I was on disability and I didn't get much money

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. I think I was only getting ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two dollars a month, and I tried to save my

0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.720
<v Speaker 1>money and I hired a private detective, but that didn't

0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.399
<v Speaker 1>go any place, and I couldn't keep him because I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't afford it.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill was actually offered a plea before.

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<v Speaker 4>Trial, second great plea barg well second degree then was

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<v Speaker 4>only twenty five years and me, mom, dad and lawyer's

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<v Speaker 4>got talked about it and I didn't do it. So

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<v Speaker 4>I believed in system and boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill went to trial in October, just short of five

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<v Speaker 2>months after his arrest.

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<v Speaker 5>The state's theory was that Bill picks her up close

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<v Speaker 5>to the SPA, but not from the SPA, at a

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<v Speaker 5>gas station and offers to give her a write home,

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.359
<v Speaker 5>and they just said to drive around, and they end

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<v Speaker 5>up at the park, they start making out and then

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.479
<v Speaker 5>you know the failed sexual encounter, but that he killed her.

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<v Speaker 5>On Monday the twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>First, a pathologist testified that Michelle's body was infested with

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<v Speaker 2>maggots placing the time of death around three to fourteen

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>days before her body was found on Saturday, but she

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.360
<v Speaker 2>was last seen five days prior, on Monday the twenty first. Remember,

0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Bill had broken his foot on Tuesday the twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>and the lead investigator conceded that Bill had an alibi

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<v Speaker 2>for all the days between Tuesday and Saturday when Michelle's

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 2>body was found. So law enforcement determined that if Bill

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.879
<v Speaker 2>killed her, it had to have been on Monday, but

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence to back that up had holes.

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<v Speaker 4>The only thing they had against me was the statement,

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<v Speaker 4>no way doubt stands see you know. The said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we know he'd done it because we've seen it, or no,

0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.920
<v Speaker 4>we know he'd done it because this evidence backs it up.

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<v Speaker 4>All their evidence counterdicted the statement.

0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Michelle was seen getting into a brown car. Bill's defense

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.119
<v Speaker 2>said he used a motorcycle to get around because his

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>car didn't run well. The defense also presented three alibi

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses for the evening of April twenty first, who testified

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 2>to seeing Bill between ten thirty and midnight, when the

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:25.040
<v Speaker 2>crime had supposedly occurred. But most surprising of all was

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<v Speaker 2>that a witness testified at trial that she'd seen Michelle

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<v Speaker 2>alive after the twenty first. A high school peer of

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Michelle's testified she had seen her at the mall on

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.919
<v Speaker 2>April twenty second, the day after she was supposedly killed,

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<v Speaker 2>with a man who was not Bill. At trial, Bill's

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.880
<v Speaker 2>defense also contended he had signed the alleged confession out

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 2>of fear and confusion. Still, after deliberating for five and

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a half hours, the jury found Bill guilty of first

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder on October eighth, nineteen eighty. Donna sat through

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<v Speaker 2>the whole trial.

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<v Speaker 3>It was terrible. I I really.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't explain it. I have believed Bill right from the start.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill just couldn't do that g anybody. I done a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of crying.

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<v Speaker 4>God took me through the value of death. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I stuff my tongue as and I'm still in the

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<v Speaker 4>value of death. Far as that concern.

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Used to being alone, safe up in his DJ booth,

0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 2>far away from everyone, Bill was surrounded in prison.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got Donald Fort Madison, it was like they

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 4>were throwing a goki in the shark tan.

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Bill says he had to fight to survive.

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 4>I turned out to be a wolf, and he.

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Was angry, resentful about what happened to him. And his family,

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and he took it out on anyone who crossed him.

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 4>I had that rage. Somebody could say something stupid, go

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<v Speaker 4>off on him.

0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>After decades, the rage turned into loneliness, and people on

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 2>the outside fell.

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<v Speaker 4>Off, girlfriend's friends, family, everybody did.

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Even Teresa.

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.880
<v Speaker 4>After a while, she just kind of fell off.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, everyone except Donna.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't have that much to do with somebody in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they kind of forget him.

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 2>But Donna never forgot about her only son.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel terrible. I told Bill just this morning, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could do more. I wish there was something

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I could do, and he said, Mom, you'd done it

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>when you were younger.

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I've gave him money as.

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<v Speaker 1>When I could, and done everything I could for him.

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 2>For more than four decades, They've stayed in con instant

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>contact through phone and visitation. What is that like? Going

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to visit your son in prison.

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>After forty four years? You get used to it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want him home.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you worry that maybe you're getting older and you

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<v Speaker 2>might not see him come home?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ninety two and I have several things that matter.

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 1>My voice, as you can tell, I have COPD, which

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of gets worse all the time, and I have

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>an ampathy in my legs and of course the usual

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>arthritis and everything, and I.

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Just want him home. I'd like to know I have

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<v Speaker 3>a sum for a while.

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I just sometimes feel like I've never had a son.

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 1>And then there's times I feel like, you know, I've

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 1>had him and he's just gone for a while.

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 3>But I don't sleep.

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I uh, if you just had a key where you

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>could shut off your mind, but you can't do that.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>However, when Erica came across Bill's case, Donna was able

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>to sleep a bit easier. When Erica's office was first started,

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>she was given a specific assignment from higher.

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 5>Ups get a DNA exoneration.

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Iowa had never had one, so she was on the hunt,

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and Bill's case appeared to have evidence from which her

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.679
<v Speaker 2>team could potentially recover DNA.

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:51.200
<v Speaker 5>We had a chance to know submit that all for

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 5>testing if it could be found, and that kind of

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 5>started our quest.

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess, a quest that gave Donna nude hope.

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Erica is a doll. I there you if she's

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a miracle. She has found out stuff that we didn't

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>even know.

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Erica started with the basics, what would have been Bill's

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 2>motive to kill Michelle.

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 5>The most fascinating part was that there was no connection

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 5>between him and the victim. They weren't They hadn't dated,

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 5>they didn't go to school together, they hadn't been seen together.

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>But Michelle had been seen with an unidentified man in

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 2>a brown car from the beginning. Were there any better

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>suspects that should have been looked into?

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 5>Yes, we found a handwritten suspect matrix from the in

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 5>the DCI file.

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 2>That is something you could only hope to find.

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 5>And we'd read a little bit about the fact that

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 5>she had gone out with a guy or told someone

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 5>that she had a date with the Larry Dance.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Erica found that Larry Dance had gone out with Michelle

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>about a month before she disappeared.

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 5>He told investigators that he'd picked her up from the spa.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 5>They'd gone back to his house. They were messing around,

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 5>they got naked and got into his bed, and then

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 5>she changed her mind and didn't want to have sex,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they went to sleep, and he took her

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 5>to her friend to a mutual friend's house the next

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 5>morning and dropped her off there and to me the

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<v Speaker 5>similarities between his story and the confession quote unquote were

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 5>so eerily similar.

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>And Danz didn't have an alibi for the night of

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first, but he was cleared after a polygraph and.

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 5>The lead DCI investigator, Rick saiwasinc His brother Jeff vouched

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 5>for Larry Dance and said he's a good guy. I

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 5>play softball with her. But the most alarming was that

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 5>law enforcement had her dad, Francis Winkle, as a suspect

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 5>on their list.

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Remember, Michelle had a troubled home life, which was evident

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to Erica by the fact that no one had reported

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>her missing.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine if my family saw me on Monday

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 5>and didn't hear from me when my body was found

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 5>on Saturday, that they still hadn't raised an alarm.

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 5>Michelle never came home, and the brothers also had a

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 5>really callous attitude towards her, things like she'd being a

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 5>problem child, used to run away. And then none of

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 5>the family members testify at trial. They actually call the

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 5>brother Mark's girlfriend now wife, Diana, to say the last

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 5>time that she saw her at the house was that

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<v Speaker 5>Monday afternoon. She wanted a ride into town, so she

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 5>could go to the bank before going to work, and

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 5>her brother refused to take her, so she left on foot.

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<v Speaker 2>What did all this information tell you?

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<v Speaker 5>That the investigation that it had all of the features

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 5>of a wrongful conviction, That investigators focused on the player right,

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 5>the DJ, the guy that had multiple girlfriends. They ignored

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 5>all these other legit credible alibis or motives for murdering her.

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 5>We knew there was just there had to be more

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<v Speaker 5>to the story.

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Erica and her team discovered a list of people who

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>said they saw Michelle alive after the twenty first, the

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>only day the state concedes Bill could have killed Michelle.

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just the schoolmate who testified at trial that

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>she'd seen Michelle at the mall Tuesday.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 5>People saw her alive up through Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>This list was never disclosed to the defense. Erica filed

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<v Speaker 2>this as a Brady violation withholding exculpatory evidence from the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she turned to the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 5>The pathologist testified she was heavily infested with maggots, and

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<v Speaker 5>she's not when you look at the crime scene photos.

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 5>An entomologist that we hired said that the best in

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<v Speaker 5>her opinion, the best estimate was that Michelle died Wednesday night,

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 5>the twenty third, and that she did not die on Monday,

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 5>that the bugs that were there, the maggots, and the temperatures,

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 5>that there's no way she died on Monday and looked

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 5>like that on Saturday.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And again everyone agrees Bill could not have killed Michelle

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>after Monday the twenty first. So Erica also filed an

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 2>actual innocence claim, but she had to explain if Bill

0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>was actually innocent, why did he confess? She says, to

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<v Speaker 2>start calling the statement a confession is a stretch.

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 5>It's a one page statement, and he never admits or

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 5>remembers killing her. It's I must have done it, but

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember it. And so it raises all of

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 5>these red flags about whether it's reliable, and what coercion

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 5>was happening in that room, and how vulnerable was he.

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 2>In terms of the evidence that brought Erica to Bill's

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 2>case in the first place.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 5>We were denied DNA testing because the state kept saying

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 5>the evidence was gone. They don't have it, they can't

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<v Speaker 5>find it.

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>The sexual assault kit the one thing that could help

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>prove Bill's innocence.

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 5>We could find everything but the physical evidence.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>So Erica also filed a young blood claim.

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 5>Young Blood versus Arizona, which is a due process violation

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 5>for destruction of evidence. And so we just had a

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 5>trial on that in June, and the court ruled and

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 5>denied that claim and said that while the sexual assault

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 5>kit has been destroyed, it wasn't done in bad faith.

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 5>A couple of big things the court missed was that

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<v Speaker 5>the victim's clothing is still unaccounted for. It was never released,

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 5>it was never on an order to be released it.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 5>It was there, they collected it, they had it.

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>So you just don't know where it is. Like, do

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you think it was destroyed?

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 5>I think it was destroyed. I think it should have

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 5>been with the sexual assault kit. Wow, it should have

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 5>been in the sheriff's office.

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>And remember agent Saiwazink, whose brother vouched for Larry Dan's.

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 5>He's the last one to have known to have had

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 5>the sexual assault kit or any physical evidence. He picked

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 5>it all up from the lab des Moines and was

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 5>supposed to drive it back to Muscatine a couple hours away.

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 5>But he doesn't file a report, he doesn't sign a

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 5>chain of custody document, he doesn't do anything.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 2>All of the claims Erica filed have been denied. She's

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>amending them and refiling.

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 5>If we lose these claims in Iowa, I think next

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 5>stop is federal court.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Erica says that Iowa is a hard place to litigate

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>post conviction cases.

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 5>There's no skepticism and everybody knows everybody and it's oh,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 5>I know him, he's a great guy. He's done lots

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 5>of murder cases. To me, it's a hard place to

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 5>be because I'm the outsider. I'm a threat. The work

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 5>is a threat because they're so nice. They don't get

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 5>anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get any community backlash?

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 5>I think there is a unwillingness to work with us.

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And through all this bill sits in prison year after year.

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 4>Every time we turn around, we prove I didn't do it,

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 4>and nobody seems to give a shit. There's no justice

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 4>in Iowa. There's no way you can convince me. I

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 4>don't care what they do. Convince me. Ryl ever be

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 4>justice in Iowa or the courts. I mean, if you're

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 4>going to put somebody in prison, you've got to be

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 4>damn sure. Especially with a death sentence, which is a

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 4>life sentence in Iowa, you should be sure you should

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 4>be on the shadow of a doubt. Well, I got

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 4>a cave darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>One minute remaining.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a dream last night that Bill was home.

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<v Speaker 2>Were there any specifics in your dream?

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I just dreamed that he came walking in and we

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>just kind of, you know, I was explaining to him

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>what things were, because Bill no computers, no phones, no,

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of things. And this town has

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>changed so much since.

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 3>In fact, it's changed so much.

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>That I see these things whenever this lady takes me

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to the doctor or out of town that I don't

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>know is there.

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 3>And that was the main thing, and I was so tickled.

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I just would let him out of my sight, and

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I took him to McDonald's because that's the first place.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna go. And then it's going to be a pizza.

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Every now and then. Donna lets herself believe that dream

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>of having Bill home will become a reality.

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh I'm gonna love it. I don't know as I'm

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna be here that long that I'm gonna love every

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 3>minute of it.

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Bill was recently moved to another prison and he's been

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>having a hard time adjusting. He says this new prison

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>is rough, it's also hard holding onto hope. He has

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 2>yet another petition pending in.

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 4>Court, but it's gonna take probably a year.

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I asked Bill if he thinks his mom has a

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>year left.

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 4>No, no, I'm afraid she don't.

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean to you to have had her

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>all these years?

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Mama, that's the where mom is.

0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Bill says, if his mom is going on, there's only

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>one other thing he'd want.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.280
<v Speaker 4>We left the hell over.

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>And get a motorcycle.

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 4>I want to have a woman on the back. I

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 4>want to be going down the road. Reached down and

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 4>lay my hand on her sigh the land next to

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 4>me for her being on the back of the bike,

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 4>and I'll know I'm home.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to help Bill, you can contact the Muscatine,

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa County Attorney Jim Barry. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling. Please support your local innocence

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<v Speaker 2>organizations and go to the links in the episode description

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<v Speaker 2>to see how you can help. This episode was written

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<v Speaker 2>by me Maggie Freeling, with story editing and sound designed

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<v Speaker 2>by senior producer Rebecca Ibara. Our producer is Kathleen Fink.

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<v Speaker 2>Our mixer is Josh Allen, with research by Donald Salzman

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<v Speaker 2>and additional production help by Jeff Cliburn. Executive producers are

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Flamm, Jeff Kempler, and Kevin Wordis. The music is

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<v Speaker 2>by three time OSCAR nominated composer Jay Ralph. Make sure

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