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Speaker 1: It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. The

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Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air.

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Speaker 2: Got an email during the break somebody has said, we

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Speaker 2: should teach our kids money. They should learn about mortgages

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Speaker 2: and interest rates and compounding and investing. You know, when

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Speaker 2: I was running for city council, first time it was,

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Speaker 2: the election was in two thousand and one, but I

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Speaker 2: went around to well respected business leaders around town and

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Speaker 2: one of them was a guy named Dean Kannale, and

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Speaker 2: he had a blue chip, well respected boutique trust company

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Speaker 2: called Kannale Trust, and you had to have a certain

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Speaker 2: threshold to be a client of his boutique firm. And

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Speaker 2: at the time it felt like eighty trillion dollars, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't. Incomes and wealth increased exponentially in the last

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Speaker 2: two decades in a way they had never on scale

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Speaker 2: like that before. So let's say you had to have

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Speaker 2: which was a big threshold. And I asked for his

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Speaker 2: support to run for city council and he said, I

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Speaker 2: will give you support if you will give me an

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Speaker 2: hour to talk about the fundamentals of finance, personal finance.

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Speaker 2: I want you to understand how they work, and I

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Speaker 2: want to explain it to you, and I want you

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Speaker 2: to listen to me. And I did, and it probably

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Speaker 2: turned into two hours. And I didn't do a lot

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Speaker 2: of what he told me to do at the time,

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Speaker 2: in my mind, and as I got older, and I

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Speaker 2: started thinking about things like, what if you have a

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Speaker 2: stroke and can't work anymore, what.

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Speaker 1: If you get fired? What if? What if? What if?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing to at least make sure that

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Speaker 2: you got, you know, via any sausages and salting crackers.

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Speaker 1: For the rest of your life.

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Speaker 2: And so I think about all the things that people

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Speaker 2: don't know, that they either learned the hard way too late,

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Speaker 2: or never learn and don't understand. And I think think

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Speaker 2: that's unfortunate, because we all pay into this school system,

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Speaker 2: whether we send kids there or not, we all pay

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Speaker 2: into this school system to teach young people things. And

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Speaker 2: I think we got lost along the way as to

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Speaker 2: what's important. And if I'm being completely honest and I'm

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Speaker 2: not insulting women and I'm not insulting teachers, I think

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Speaker 2: that in most cases you've got teachers who are women

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Speaker 2: who themselves don't know anything about finance, are engineering or

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Speaker 2: science who even the best intended teachers are caregivers. They

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Speaker 2: love children, they want to see children develop, They care

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Speaker 2: a lot about a child's confidence, and these sorts of things,

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Speaker 2: which is good, don't get me wrong. But you can't

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Speaker 2: teach what you don't know. Who is it Seneca who

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Speaker 2: said teaching is learning. When I give a speech, which

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Speaker 2: I give fewer and fewer these days, but when I

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Speaker 2: give us speech to a group and they asked me

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Speaker 2: to speak on a particular subject, instead of just speak,

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Speaker 2: I will often go back and review facts and figures

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Speaker 2: and things about what I'm going to talk about. And

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Speaker 2: that's not teaching per se, but in a sense it is.

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Speaker 2: And I find that at the end of that I

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Speaker 2: feel very refreshed and invigorated from that learning process I

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Speaker 2: undertook to get to the point to deliver that speech.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Chris, then Kyle, then Gay, Dave, then Heather,

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Speaker 2: than Mike. Chris, You're on the Michael, But how about that?

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Speaker 1: Chris? Kyle?

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Speaker 2: What what? What just happened?

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Speaker 1: Chris? You're up? Gohed? I bet Ramon didn't pot him on.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Chris, yes, I was just calling to say

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Speaker 3: how they should teach you, you know, common common sense

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Speaker 3: things like how to change a tier, how to change

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Speaker 1: They're just agreed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look ideally a dad out to teach

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Speaker 2: people who would say, yeah, they ought to, who.

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Speaker 1: Haven't done that.

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Speaker 2: You know, sports is such a such an interesting thing

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Speaker 2: Were then playing. And it's a very natural and easy thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, people teach their kids to fish because they

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Speaker 2: I've not been very good at. My hobby is learning,

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Speaker 1: Kyle, you're up, go. What should people learn in school

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Speaker 4: I've got a long laundry list, But my biggest pet

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Speaker 4: Three children that can do neither, and they're all in

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Speaker 4: their twenties, and it just drives me crazy whenever they send.

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Speaker 1: Me a note.

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Speaker 4: There are two used to being on the computer or

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, and I'm not disagreeing, but

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Speaker 2: I've given this some thought. Why is it important that

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Speaker 4: Because the best form of saying thank you is a

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Speaker 4: personal handwritten note. You're drop in the mailbox.

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Speaker 2: But you can write a hand will not that is printed.

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Speaker 2: I've asked myself this and I can't come up with

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Speaker 4: I just believe it looks more formal and as opposed

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Speaker 1: I suppose you're right for me.

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Speaker 2: I didn't give you my answer because I want to

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Speaker 2: hear yours for me. There's something unique about each person's cursive.

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Speaker 2: I find all of those things to be, you know,

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Speaker 4: They're all duncans, and do you know duncan means yr y'all.

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Speaker 2: I got an email in the break from my fellow names. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's Greg, his son is Mikey. And I had asked

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Speaker 2: me quirky unique startup businesses. Businesses are nostalgia businesses that

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Speaker 2: our owner occupy, owner operated interesting business callers. Hold just

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Speaker 2: a moment, I'll be right with you and he sent

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Speaker 2: a company called Pero Pa.

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Speaker 1: Started it from scratch.

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Speaker 2: It's a marketplace for accounting professionals. It matches accountants their

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Speaker 2: if you think of Percento Technologies, which has been a

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Speaker 2: Percento Technologies was built on the concept that many companies,

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Speaker 2: They don't have a robust enough IT presence to handle

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Speaker 2: just just upgrading computers, which is what Ramone's wife does

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Speaker 2: for Texas Laws Shield, just buying all new computers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: How are we going to do those?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to make it scalable? How are

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Speaker 2: a year. I mean, you know, you feel bad when

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Speaker 1: You're bummed out right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's even worse with computers, and now you've got

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Speaker 2: goes with that. So percento is based on the idea

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Speaker 1: You just need a part of what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: And I would think that would be true with accounting,

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Speaker 2: your accountants? And I vet them for Deroche because they're

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably a niche somewhere in there below

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Speaker 1: All right, Gay Dave, you're up? Hey?

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Speaker 5: Mornings are they need to teach the US Constitution for

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Speaker 5: at least the whole year so people understand it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wonder you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: You grow up in Texas?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 6: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: That's gay.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that you have you have?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Can I tell you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But hold on, I want to tell you this. You

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Speaker 2: have become such a resource for our show that every

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Speaker 2: time something comes up, Ramone will say you should ask

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Speaker 2: Gay Dave, like, what what is like? There'll be something

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Speaker 2: that happens and he'll say, we don't have good gator.

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Speaker 2: You should ask Gay Dave what he thinks about that,

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to ask you too many questions. But Ramone's best.

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Speaker 5: I can I tell you? Can I tell you a

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Speaker 5: quick story about a cursive writing about what? When I

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Speaker 5: was in eighth grade? Yeah, cursive writing story. When I

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Speaker 2: It's easier to read. There's a reason you don't read

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Speaker 2: That is where I went to school?

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Speaker 1: Rituals are preserved.

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Speaker 2: We preserve some rituals solely because they are a ritual.

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Speaker 2: It must remain unbroken. I don't know why, because it's important.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else uses it. You've never seen this letter written.

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Speaker 1: Nobody is going.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is saying, well, you're gonna have life in liberty.

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Speaker 2: Let me go get my cursive copy. Well, it says

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Speaker 2: And this is why I told you, Ramona. It's no

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Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. It'd be a thing I think

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Speaker 2: Nobody is suggesting we're losing English. I'm not saying we

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Speaker 2: thought given to it because someone else said it and

442
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: nobody ever stops to give it thought. But I am

443
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: for teaching cursive, and my kids do write and read cursive.

444
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: I just think you can survive just fine without it

445
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: going forward, and I'll leave that at that. I could

446
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: have just said that, and then you aggravated me during

447
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: the break, and then I got out there and I

448
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: got a bunch of old ladies going, I'm not sure

449
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna listen to Michael Berry anymore. I thought he

450
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: was on our team. You know, he wasn't for Trump

451
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: at the beginning. I remember, he wasn't for Trump. He's

452
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: come around, but you know, now he's over there. Shoot,

453
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: he's he don't even want cursive no more.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he thinks.

455
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't for Trump. Remember he talked about it and

456
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: he was, and now he's over there. We don't need cursive.

457
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: You've got some upside down f I don't give a damn.

458
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: I learned curs. If you offer, it's Michael Berry's formal aware.

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Speaker 4: We have all your formal weare needs, from morning suits

460
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Speaker 4: to coordinating accessories.

461
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: Running out of time.

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00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: The best explanation I have heard, and it comes from

463
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: a law man friend of mine. Cursive is important zar

464
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Speaker 2: because it strengthens cognitive development, It enhances fine motor skills

465
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Speaker 2: for kids, and it boosts their overall literacy. I'm not

466
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: sure that's even true, but that's very impressive. That's an

467
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: actual reason. It just makes me crazy when people say

468
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: things without any consideration for what they say in never

469
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: having thought about it, and then you challenge it and

470
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: they pitch a fit. God to be able to read

471
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: the declaration is the lamest answer ever. You don't care

472
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Speaker 2: about the declaration? Well if reading the Declaration of Independence

473
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: incursive is how you prove whether you care about the declaration.

474
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: You don't care about the declaration because you've not read

475
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Speaker 2: it incursive, And I'm willing to go on the It's

476
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: one of those things like cow tipping or any number

477
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: of other things that people will say they've done, and

478
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: when you really it down to it, well, yeah, maybe yes.

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00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: Like why you love water Burger. It's right there.

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00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: Tell me something that you love about where you live?

481
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Water Burger?

482
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: Okay, great, tell me about it right now?

483
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: All right, just tell me about it.

484
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna love water Burger's the best?

485
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: What makes it the best? Wherever you are there's a

486
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: water Burger?

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00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always right there, okay.

488
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: And then when you get there, what do you like

489
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Speaker 3: about it?

490
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: What do you get? Whatever you want?

491
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 5: You could order whatever you want.

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00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: Then, right, But there are a lot of places like that,

493
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 4: So let's say, there's a McDonald's burger king, a Sonic

494
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: and a waterburger all lined up?

495
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: Which one you go to?

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00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: Right?

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00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: Right?

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00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: Why? M okay, here's another one. I can respect because

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00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: this is an honest answer.

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Speaker 2: I favor cursif out of my own enjoyment of its

501
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: conveyance of personality and uniqueness. I also believe it has

502
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: become a comical way to communicate openly among younger code workers,

503
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: like a secret code. One of Cursiff's flaws is also

504
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: its benefit. I've observed the preferred usage of cursif amongst

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00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: individuals who have poor spelling. They can scribble the first

506
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: two and last two letters and everything in between is

507
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: their unique penmanship. If you cannot admit you have done

508
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: that in your life, you know what that's the equivalent

509
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: of in the GUDDI yeah, baby? How many songs do

510
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: we not know all the words? There's a little girl

511
00:28:52,040 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: in our neighborhood to Johnson and good good good, Yeah.

512
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: I had go and see a tone of none and

513
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: none and over to the brother was making chicken in

514
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: the frying pot, and her grandma was.

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00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: That is what that is?

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00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: Cursive allows you that, doctor Wright, Yeah, I did hear

517
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: from a lot of mommies that their kids have dysgraphia

518
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: and dyslexia, and apparently cursive helps with that, which is cool.

519
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't deny it.

520
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't know one way or another. The most surprising,

521
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: I guess not surprising because we've had this conversation before.

522
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: Chad Nakanishi is an enigma. He's a fascinating cat because

523
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: his brain processor because he's half Japanese.

524
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Is really really good.

525
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: He's really really smart, but his spelling is really really bad.

526
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: And it's a running joke. And he's the first to

527
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: tell you. He said, I can't read cursive. So the

528
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: problem I've come across is that I love to pull

529
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: and collect my family history. However, when I pull old

530
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: family histories like my great grandparents marriage license below which

531
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: he's attached, I have to ask one of my sisters

532
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: to quote unquote translate some of the cursive. Not saying

533
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: kids should or shouldn't learn cursive, but it is one

534
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: of my personal struggles. Even the Census is incursive. By

535
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: the way, several of you mentioned the Census, and you

536
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to read the census.

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00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Credit to you.

538
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: I thought that was an interesting one. This is the

539
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: nineteen forty census of my great grandparents and their kids.

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00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: It's especially confusing to me because I knew them all

541
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Speaker 2: by their generic American names Janet, Mildred, Thomas, Norman, Pauline, Robert,

542
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: and Earl, but their legal Japanese names are listed in

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00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: the census, which I've had to learn thanks to help translating.

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Speaker 1: I love these conversations.

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating, just fascinating, how we retain records,

546
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: how we go back and access those records, because they're

547
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: not just records. They're not just writing on a paper.

548
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: They're who we are. They are our DNA. That's not

549
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: just a name on a paper. That what is our DNA?

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00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: You know, Sandy Peterson's making a sour dough bread. She

551
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: might have already made it. And she said that the

552
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: that the whatever you call it, the cure, the whatever,

553
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: the seedling of it. You know, when you get the

554
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: sar dough bread and you bring it home, it's whatever,

555
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: that little clump of it that it is. It's two

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00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years old. I don't know where she

557
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: found it. I mean, you think about you know, you

558
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: propagate a flower with you propagate a tree. You think

559
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: about you know how an animal passes one to the next,

560
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: to the next to the next, and in three hundred

561
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: years this is the lineage. That's some deep stuff, man,

562
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: that's really really deep stuff.

563
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: And that these are.

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Speaker 2: The documents you access to get there. I find that

565
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: to be very cool. All right, you folks have to

566
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: be fast so I can get all of you on.

567
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: So what is the thing they don't teach in school

568
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: that they should? I think this is handwriting because it's

569
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: all women. See, you can tell topics by sex. Men

570
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: are like handwriting, dumb ass, just blearn cursive. Women are

571
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: going but dyslexia and just grab yeah. And the census

572
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: because ninety eight point six percent of people who do

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00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: ancestry studies are women. Teresa, go ahead, Hi, Michael, Okay.

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Speaker 2: What should they teach that they're not teaching? Go ahead, sweetheart.

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Speaker 6: Well, I still believe in teaching writing by script because

576
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 6: it strengthens the eye hand brain connection and it creates

577
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 6: neural pathways for your brain.

578
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: So you're second or third or tenth person to say that,

579
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: how do you know that.

580
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 6: I read it about twenty years ago? Did you read

581
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 6: it in I have no I read it in a

582
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 6: printed book.

583
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: Are you are you a former teacher? Pardon me, are

584
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: you a former teacher?

585
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 6: No, I'm a nurse. Nurse okay, but I did homeschool

586
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: my kids a couple of times, like different My different

587
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: children had different problems in school, and just to sort

588
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 6: of assist them, I went homeschool them. And where we

589
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 6: lived in Canada, they had a great provincial system where

590
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: they could give you all the materials for the curriculum

591
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 6: that year, and so basically it was all pre set,

592
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 6: pre done. You know, you took the pages at the

593
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 6: beginning of the week out of the big binder, put

594
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Speaker 6: them in the smaller binders, and that's all they have

595
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 6: to do for that day.

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00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: I miss binders. I still use binders. I have binders

597
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: all around me. I have tabs, they're all marked off,

598
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: and people will say to me, you can put all

599
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: that on the computer.

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00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I love binders. I love flipping

601
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: through binders.

602
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: My show sponsors for each letter of the alphabet, I have,

603
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: you know as Allied side in you know, windows and

604
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: Allied Custom roofing and all Star Construction and Allied outdoors,

605
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: and then you know you go to B, and you

606
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: go to C and you and I enjoy turning the

607
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: pages like a I don't know. It's a connection to

608
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: the past, and it's tactile. I can touch it, I

609
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: can turn it. I'm looking at my screen. I've received

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00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: over three hundred emails on cursy.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating,