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Speaker 1: It is Monday, September twentieth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty four. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We're life from the SWUBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star and we get to rehash the very first
Speaker 1: Cowboys win of the season. Cowboys win twenty seventeen to
Speaker 1: the LA Chargers at a really great stadium and probably
Speaker 1: even more up a great stadium for the Cowboys. When
Speaker 1: you when you look at that stadium, Nick I was
Speaker 1: mentioning to you, I thought it looked like an AT
Speaker 1: and T Stadium two point zero because there were so
Speaker 1: many things about it that reminded me of AT and
Speaker 1: T stadium. But the other part that reminding me of
Speaker 1: AT and T stadiums. There are a lot of Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans there, a ton of Cowboys fans Theah. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a reason Jerry Jones gets so excited about LA and
Speaker 1: playing on the West Coast. He knows, he knows who's
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I mean, there is no there's no
Speaker 1: mistaking the fact that the Cowboys spend every summer in
Speaker 1: California because that bills over time. That justs fans. Imagine
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes conversations where here he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need teams in LA. We need to showcase this place,
Speaker 1: and I'll dominate the venue every time we come. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. Nick, you actually had an interesting point
Speaker 1: you were making about the about the on the radio
Speaker 1: this morning. You were making about the crowd. Well, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, at first, I thought, man, they didn't NFL
Speaker 1: didn't do them any favors, the Chargers by putting, you know,
Speaker 1: the how Boys for their first game with fans. But
Speaker 1: you know, really, when you when you think about it,
Speaker 1: and I also kind of heard through the Grape Bunk,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't didn't sell all their suits and
Speaker 1: they had a heart. They're having a hard time. We
Speaker 1: know that where they have a hard time with their
Speaker 1: with their fan base, just generating fans. And by the way,
Speaker 1: they're battling another team team, a team that's been in
Speaker 1: LA for you know, for years, back in the you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, and so uh, you know it's like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they did it on purpose, you know, because
Speaker 1: you think you can take this big global picture and
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of blue, you know, silver, a
Speaker 1: lot of light blue all that. But it's gonna look
Speaker 1: it's gonna look blend in, it's gonna look great, it's
Speaker 1: gonna full and all that. I mean, imagine if they
Speaker 1: put the Chiefs in there for for you know, week
Speaker 1: you know, week two, But yeah, why is all this
Speaker 1: red in there? So um, it's just I just thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you know that that maybe they did that on purpose,
Speaker 1: you know, then to have a great venue there, and
Speaker 1: it was it was a great atmosphere you're in there
Speaker 1: listening to it. It was it was like a bowl game.
Speaker 1: To me. It was just fifty fifty, sixty forty, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. I think the Cowboys had more fans really,
Speaker 1: and they were definitely louder if there wasn't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one of those games where you look at
Speaker 1: it and as you're as you're watching the game, you
Speaker 1: can't really get we couldn't get a real appreciation for
Speaker 1: just how loud the crowd was, because obviously in the
Speaker 1: press box it's a little walled off. But there were
Speaker 1: moments that you could hear go let's go Cowboys, Let's
Speaker 1: go Cowboys. And so it very much was a game
Speaker 1: that felt like it was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: home advantage for the Cowboys. Absolutely. I mean you should
Speaker 1: have expected it. I did my writing from the hotel
Speaker 1: bar last night. I met a guy. Yeah that's not
Speaker 1: you do some writing, That's what I'm talking. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like the energy, you know, I like having people around. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I met a shout out to Dallas from Baker's Field.
Speaker 1: He bought Dallas from Bakers. He bought season tickets. Oh no,
Speaker 1: just for that game. Charger season. Wait's Charger season. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's commitment. Rights hold off the rest of them and
Speaker 1: made a nice profit and still got to go to
Speaker 1: there you go. I was like, that's dedication and say,
Speaker 1: way to go, buddy. You're gonna get emails for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. That's okay. The Cowboys will be
Speaker 1: back in eight years, you know, so uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: well maybe sooner now that they play more games. So
Speaker 1: that and also, you know, that's a that's a really
Speaker 1: good preseason game, you know, because I mean it's good
Speaker 1: to go down to La from from Oxnard. But you
Speaker 1: don't always want to play the Rams because you're gonna
Speaker 1: sometimes play them in the regular season. But I mean
Speaker 1: I could see them trying to play the Chargers in
Speaker 1: preseason on that first game, you know, or Vegas or
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. I feel like we're burying
Speaker 1: the lead here. Let's talk about the game, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's do this. I want to start with this.
Speaker 1: I want you used to give me one big picture,
Speaker 1: uh story of the game. If you're gonna remember week
Speaker 1: two of twenty twenty one, what is that memory point?
Speaker 1: What is that one thing that you'll remember from this game?
Speaker 1: I'll start with you day Two things that kind of
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. One, I can't I've lost track
Speaker 1: over the years of the number of times that I've
Speaker 1: sat in the bowels of a stadium after the Cowboys
Speaker 1: lost and they just they just shot themselves in the
Speaker 1: foot too many times, like they shouldn't have lost this game,
Speaker 1: and they did, and it's their own fault. And that's
Speaker 1: how the Chargers felt yesterday and they should. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's and it was. So it was bizarre, but in
Speaker 1: a weird way encouraging that the Cowboys were. On the
Speaker 1: other hand of that, it's like, you're not always going
Speaker 1: to have a perfect game, you're not always going to
Speaker 1: just outplay the opponent. But if you're more disciplined and cleaner,
Speaker 1: less penalties, don't have a little bit cleaner. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did not play like a great game, but
Speaker 1: they were. They didn't have two touchdowns taken away because
Speaker 1: of miscus at the snap, and that stuff matter, and
Speaker 1: so it was surreal for the Cowboys to be the
Speaker 1: quote unquote cleaner team that kind of snuck out with
Speaker 1: a win. The same thing. We talk about complimentary football
Speaker 1: to the point that I don't think we even know
Speaker 1: what it means anymore. But this was that. This was
Speaker 1: this was the team lifting itself up, because the formula
Speaker 1: for Cowboy wins over the last three years has just
Speaker 1: been if the offense is clicking and scoring points, they
Speaker 1: can do enough to get by. It was the first
Speaker 1: time I believe since the wildcard game win against Seattle
Speaker 1: that they've won a game when they didn't score thirty points.
Speaker 1: They haven't been they haven't been able to do it.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. They haven't been able to do it. And
Speaker 1: so for you know, it wasn't an amazing DAK game.
Speaker 1: The offense was not lighting up the scoreboard, special teams
Speaker 1: was sloppy. A lot of it was sloppy. And they
Speaker 1: managed to win a very like SEC type of score
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, not super high flying like maybe we thought,
Speaker 1: and they still eaked it out. And that's that's impressive
Speaker 1: because that you gotta win those clunky games because they're
Speaker 1: not You're not always going to have your best efforts.
Speaker 1: So that's important and it felt big to me. But
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, we asked Dan Quinn to figure
Speaker 1: it out, that's what we said to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know who your pass rushers are.
Speaker 1: Both of them are are out, the both starters are out.
Speaker 1: Figure out how to how to get these guys involved
Speaker 1: in in you know he did. Um, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you after after basically complaining about
Speaker 1: it for you know, in the first half and third
Speaker 1: quarter that I thought it was a bad move. With Parsons,
Speaker 1: it's hard to come back now. Nick was killing me.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, no, no, at all, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought they were wasting Parsons. I thought
Speaker 1: they were, and they did for the first half they did.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got nineteen passes and he rushed at
Speaker 1: nineteen times and got two rushes. I thought they were
Speaker 1: wasting him. He got better. They also realized, don't mess
Speaker 1: with Rashawn Slater like that ain't happened, and come over
Speaker 1: this side and also the side that that that Herbert
Speaker 1: can see, and then you know he can't roll the
Speaker 1: way he wants to roll. So Parsons did a nice
Speaker 1: job of figuring it out. And you gotta give hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Jalen Smiths some credit. I thought he
Speaker 1: played a really good game for for having to that's
Speaker 1: not his thing to go cover the Austin Ekeler and
Speaker 1: all that, and he did a pretty good job in
Speaker 1: that game, led the team and tackles. I would have
Speaker 1: flipped it my self. I would have rushed somebody else
Speaker 1: and let Parsons be the guy. But I mean, there's
Speaker 1: some people right now they're thinking that he's never going
Speaker 1: to move back, and those people I think are solely mistaken.
Speaker 1: There's no way that he's gonna be playing defensive end
Speaker 1: for this team long term. I don't think, Man, well,
Speaker 1: and it's weird too because I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: even think that he played defensive end, you know, like
Speaker 1: he was a pass rush specialist, Like he didn't put
Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt. He had some nice plays
Speaker 1: against the run. Wait he did. There were there were
Speaker 1: some times when he was literally lined up as a
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt defensive and he was there too
Speaker 1: as a pass rush specialist. It just it's not the
Speaker 1: same as watching DeMarcus Lawrence through his thing, in my
Speaker 1: opinion at least, like they were just like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know how you know enough moves to get yourself
Speaker 1: through the game. You're super athletic. Just get out there
Speaker 1: and get after him and run at him more. That's
Speaker 1: what I was at question. That's my point is like
Speaker 1: as amazing as he was, like, he is not this
Speaker 1: like well rounded defensive end. He's going to hold up
Speaker 1: the way that somebody like DeMarcus Lawrence would Eckler and
Speaker 1: the way that they play on offense. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what figuring it out is. It's like we
Speaker 1: can do this against the Chargers, maybe not against other
Speaker 1: teams because they're gonna, you know, be played more power
Speaker 1: football at him, but they they figured it out, and
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, I thought that series was changed
Speaker 1: the whole game when he when he got that quote sack,
Speaker 1: which if I'm a Charger fanom absolutely livid and pissed
Speaker 1: off about that call because that that call lost the
Speaker 1: game for him. The keeping Herbert upright, saying that his
Speaker 1: momentum stopped and they called a sack. I thought that
Speaker 1: was a terrible call, and it worked for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: because I don't they don't do that to other people.
Speaker 1: They don't do that to to Mahomes, they don't do
Speaker 1: that to Lamar Jackson. They don't do that to Dak
Speaker 1: You know, let Herbert be an athlete and he's up
Speaker 1: there fending him off and throws it that it's an
Speaker 1: incomplete pass and they don't have the in the grass rule.
Speaker 1: Now I thought that rule, but they can't believe that call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but I will say it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's nice that the way they go, they go out
Speaker 1: of their way to protect the quarterback, and it's nice
Speaker 1: to see it. Benefit of defense once, because they make
Speaker 1: it so hard to do your job as a defender,
Speaker 1: especially getting after the quarterback. Well, and you know my complaint.
Speaker 1: I've complained about it for years. In no other place
Speaker 1: in football or in life can you hit anyone in
Speaker 1: the face and it be okay unless you have a
Speaker 1: ball in your hand. If you have a ball in
Speaker 1: your hand and Michael Parsons comes up and you can
Speaker 1: hit him in the faith, no big deal, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So he was doing that and all that, So it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, well, that's the Colvin. The point
Speaker 1: I was gonna make before we got into the semantics
Speaker 1: of what he was doing is I don't know how
Speaker 1: you don't want that available to you at least some
Speaker 1: of the time from here on out, because and I
Speaker 1: hear you, Jalen Smith's not closing on Justin Herbert like that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most amazing things I've seen on
Speaker 1: a football field. You're right about memory the way like
Speaker 1: he was twelve yards away from Herbert and in the
Speaker 1: blink of an eye, you know you're right he was on.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about how incredible I thought that was,
Speaker 1: Like we say, shot out of a cannon. All the time,
Speaker 1: it was maybe more impressive than that. And I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, if he can do that against an
Speaker 1: athlete like Herbert, he could really come in handy against
Speaker 1: a less mobile quarter, right. But what my point was,
Speaker 1: in the first half, there was a lot of just
Speaker 1: going up there and you know, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of family reunion hugging. Style was just like hey, especially,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And I'm not I'm not blind. I
Speaker 1: could do this. He ain't. He ain't Von Miller and
Speaker 1: I you know, Storm Norton was what we thought Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele might be in this game. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: pushed around. He's gonna have nightmares about Mica for weeks
Speaker 1: um and it's Lane Johnson next week. Have a feeling
Speaker 1: it'll be a little bit of a different story. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. He ain't Lawrence Taylor yet, Randy, You'll be back.
Speaker 1: The way I look at all that is, Look, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that that found out on Thursday. What
Speaker 1: right he say press come Thursday? He founds out in
Speaker 1: his second NFL start, he is actually going to be
Speaker 1: playing a different position. And I think when you put
Speaker 1: it in that context, like I think he played extremely
Speaker 1: well at that position. Now here's the thing. The reason
Speaker 1: why I say it's ludicrous to think he's going to
Speaker 1: be a defensive end is because kind of what you
Speaker 1: were saying, Dave, I look at a guy like that,
Speaker 1: and I say, Okay, if he's got that ability to
Speaker 1: do that on a thursday's notice and already have seen
Speaker 1: what he can do a linebacker, I want him to
Speaker 1: be doing a lot of different things in the game.
Speaker 1: I want defenses to not know where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: So this play, yeah, he might line up with his
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt and rushed as a defensive end.
Speaker 1: The next play, he might be in the middle and
Speaker 1: come up the middle. Next play, he might be back
Speaker 1: covering in past coverage. Like we know, we've seen him
Speaker 1: do all those things between training camp and now we've
Speaker 1: seen him do all those things. I'd rather have him
Speaker 1: just be a guy that runs around the field and
Speaker 1: I can use him however I choose to use him.
Speaker 1: Want to give him play he is, he said at
Speaker 1: a training camp, he's the queen in a chess set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can go everywhere and do everything and that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I firmly believe for as impressive
Speaker 1: and athletic as he is. I think that would be
Speaker 1: a miss match against a better offensive tack. I mean,
Speaker 1: Slater stonewalled him, and so I don't think you want
Speaker 1: to waste him doing that all sixty snacks snaps of
Speaker 1: a game. But it's nice to know it's there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very nice to know it's right. All right. So
Speaker 1: here's what I want to do. I'm gonna We're actually
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break real quick. But when we
Speaker 1: come back, I'm actually gonna go through all the things
Speaker 1: that we talked about on Friday, to the storylines that
Speaker 1: we talked about, and I want to see how they
Speaker 1: turned out. We'll talk about what your guys, what you
Speaker 1: guys thoughts are on those storylines and what happened in
Speaker 1: the game based up on what we were wondering about
Speaker 1: or thinking about heading into the game. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into the second segment of the break Life
Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys win over the Los Angeles Charges. They
Speaker 1: win twenty to seventeen in Week two of the NFL season,
Speaker 1: is now pull them into a tie in first place
Speaker 1: in the division. It's very early to be saying that,
Speaker 1: but the Eagles after their loss are now one and one.
Speaker 1: Washington football team after their wins now one and one,
Speaker 1: and then obviously the Giants pulling up the rear at
Speaker 1: oh and two. We'll talk more about that big picture
Speaker 1: stuff tomorrow, but here's what we're gonna do for now.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the storylines. On Friday. If
Speaker 1: you remember, we went through a whole list of storylines
Speaker 1: on the offense, defense, and special teams what we thought
Speaker 1: would be the things that would actually define what happened
Speaker 1: in this game, and so I wanted to go back
Speaker 1: and revisit those things and see how a lot of
Speaker 1: them turned out. Let's start first on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. We talked about Lyle being replaced by
Speaker 1: Terren Steele and he'd be facing Joey Bosa. And the
Speaker 1: question I have for you guys it was is Dak
Speaker 1: good enough that this doesn't affect their ability to move
Speaker 1: the ball. So I want to talk about both things.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about first, Dak Prescott. He was
Speaker 1: twenty three of twenty seven for twenty and thirty seven yards,
Speaker 1: two sacks, one interception, and eighty seven point eight rating.
Speaker 1: How did Dak play? In your opinion? There was a
Speaker 1: game manager. Again, that's nothing bad. I mean bus driver
Speaker 1: type player for this game. And please don't don't go
Speaker 1: at me on that that. I think that's a great thing.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is a bus driver and he drives the
Speaker 1: hell out of it and he's doing doing it forever.
Speaker 1: He manages the game. There's nothing wrong with that. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. He had one bad throw he'd
Speaker 1: like to take back, but I thought for the most part,
Speaker 1: when it got down to nutcutting time, he's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: If you needed a thirty six shared field goal, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. If you needed forty six. Fifty
Speaker 1: six he got in the fifty six, but he did
Speaker 1: what he had to do. I thought. I thought he
Speaker 1: played a really good smart game. Again, one interception, for
Speaker 1: the most part, could have a touchdown if he were
Speaker 1: to saw him already down the left sideline instead threw
Speaker 1: it the jar when they scored. Anyways, I thought he
Speaker 1: played great. I can't believe how similar this game was
Speaker 1: to the season opener against the Rams last year, who
Speaker 1: were coached on defense by Brandon Staley. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. Same score, and I pulled up dacks
Speaker 1: different fans. Yeah, I mean it was. It was much
Speaker 1: more fun. I'm sure Nick actually showed me the sweet
Speaker 1: where he sat last year by himself watching that game
Speaker 1: with I can't imagine how weird that. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: for you. But I pulled up his passing chart. It's
Speaker 1: the same, Like there were a few more throws behind
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, but it's just a scatter shot
Speaker 1: of twelve to eighteen yard plays. He threw it. He
Speaker 1: threw it further than twenty yards twice in both games.
Speaker 1: He got intercepted this year, not last year. The one
Speaker 1: big shot he took was out of necessity to Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup last year. It's the way Brandon Staley wants to play.
Speaker 1: They were in too high all day. Brandon Staley's whole
Speaker 1: mode of business is I'm gonna play back and dare
Speaker 1: you to be patient because I don't. You're an alpha
Speaker 1: and I don't trust that you will do it. You're
Speaker 1: going to gonna get impatient and do something stupid, and
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna get you. And it was even
Speaker 1: better with the Rams because they had Aaron Donald and
Speaker 1: you can stop the run even when you're not committing to.
Speaker 1: It didn't work for the Chargers yesterday. I think that
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. The Cowboys were like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run six yards a carry on your ass,
Speaker 1: like who cares. It didn't work that well against the
Speaker 1: Rams because they have better personnel. So I thought Dak
Speaker 1: played within the confines of what the Chargers were willing
Speaker 1: to let him do. It's kind of ironic. I felt
Speaker 1: like the Chargers were trying to play keepaway, which that's
Speaker 1: kind of been the Cowboys offense. I mean they had
Speaker 1: the ball three times after halftime. Yeah, yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know. The Chargers ran like forty plays
Speaker 1: in the second half. I bet I don't know the
Speaker 1: Cowboys number, but I bet it's not more than twenty
Speaker 1: five or twenty six. But that was also because in
Speaker 1: the first half Cowboys were they were moving the ball really,
Speaker 1: really well. The first two of the first three possessions
Speaker 1: they got a touchdown, and I think that first drive
Speaker 1: was fifteen plays total possession of six to fifty one,
Speaker 1: and then the second touchdown was seven plays, seventy five
Speaker 1: yards three fifteen. So they were they were not only
Speaker 1: eating up clock, but they were taking these and long.
Speaker 1: You just finished saying they dared you to be patient.
Speaker 1: Well the Cowboys are like, great, we'll be patient, and
Speaker 1: they just matriculated the ball down the field and scored
Speaker 1: touchdowns on two of those three possessions. From the time,
Speaker 1: the game kind of settled into more of oh, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say rhythm. That game had no rhythm at all.
Speaker 1: Twenty freaking penalties. It was. It was gross at times,
Speaker 1: but um, I just it just felt like the charges
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we need every possession to last
Speaker 1: eight minutes, and so bland call on first down, bland
Speaker 1: call on second down, justin get out there, and bail
Speaker 1: us out on third down. And it worked way more
Speaker 1: often than you'd probably prefer, especially on third and long.
Speaker 1: They were not supposed to be converting at that rate,
Speaker 1: and at one point in the game they had converted
Speaker 1: four of six third and ten plush situations and that's
Speaker 1: that's not something you should be seeing no on any
Speaker 1: NFL set field. But I thought he played great within
Speaker 1: the confines, and that's can we make this a weekly thing?
Speaker 1: We've done it two for two both games. Like last possession,
Speaker 1: Derek looks at me in the press box, He's like,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen now? I'm like, Dak is going to
Speaker 1: lead them to field goal range. There is no doubt
Speaker 1: in my mind about that. My big question was can
Speaker 1: they kick this field goal and not leave Herbert anytime?
Speaker 1: And it was way more of a cluster f than
Speaker 1: it should have been, but it worked out. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next topic I have for
Speaker 1: you guys. Oh, actually talking on that, we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about Terren Steele. Let's talk about Bosa had three tackles
Speaker 1: on the day, no sacks, no quarterback hits. So how
Speaker 1: well to Steel play and how much help did they
Speaker 1: give him? No, we're not going there. I mean, he
Speaker 1: might have got a little bit of help, but not
Speaker 1: more so than any other right tackle kind of gets
Speaker 1: You're sure about that. Well, in the post game, McCarthy said,
Speaker 1: we paid a ton of attention to him, and I
Speaker 1: haven't been able to go back and watch it to
Speaker 1: be able to see how much. But the way he
Speaker 1: made a sound was like we definitely made it a
Speaker 1: point that he was not going to just be left
Speaker 1: out there on the night. They I mean, they gave
Speaker 1: him some help. Zeke had some really nice chips. The
Speaker 1: tight ends helped. And also again going back to Dak
Speaker 1: playing within the confines, he was getting the ball out.
Speaker 1: I mean, very short routes, quick decisions this week before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have these long, slow developing plays like
Speaker 1: we saw from Herbert Um. But I think I just
Speaker 1: I don't want to take credit away from Terrenceton because
Speaker 1: all week it was doom and gloom. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we believed in Terrence Steele, but
Speaker 1: people are just like, well, he's gonna get Dak killed.
Speaker 1: And he was great, he was wonderful. He deserves some flowers.
Speaker 1: He was he deserves some flowers. I mean he was
Speaker 1: you know, Dak Martin said after the game, he said,
Speaker 1: there's some times where we have the center slide protections
Speaker 1: to the right where you know, I get my guy
Speaker 1: and I kind of go and help him. He goes
Speaker 1: and most of the time he didn't even need he
Speaker 1: didn't need the help. I thought. Where we thought Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele was a lot more of an agile, athletic offensive
Speaker 1: tackle that could could handle you knows athleticism, he actually
Speaker 1: overpowered him more with his blocking. And go back and
Speaker 1: look at that touchdown that Zeke had, the Zeke touchdown
Speaker 1: where I mean that whole right side, it's Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: And let's also say Zach Martin played a phenomenal game.
Speaker 1: Who's surprised, No, not me, But I mean he played
Speaker 1: a masterful game. And I thought having him there just
Speaker 1: solidified everything. But Terrence Steele, Zack Martin on that touchdown
Speaker 1: run just really dominated. He did a nice job and
Speaker 1: the running game as well, yea. And I mean that
Speaker 1: was not in any way to take a slide at him,
Speaker 1: because I think he played really well. By the way,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of times last year when they
Speaker 1: gave him help and it didn't turn out great. So
Speaker 1: I think he did his job yesterday, and that's a
Speaker 1: part of coaching the right way. Maybe the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen from the Cowboys in a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: you hear all the time that next man up. Like yesterday,
Speaker 1: they had a lot of people saying next man up
Speaker 1: and by the way, and we're gonna get into a
Speaker 1: lot of those other guys as well. But we saw
Speaker 1: a lot of guys actually taking that mantra seriously yesterday
Speaker 1: and actually being able to fill in in those roles
Speaker 1: and play at a higher, higher level. I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: that was called on in that situation did something. Darn
Speaker 1: Steele was great. Cedric Wilson had that wonderful I thought
Speaker 1: he might have scored if he had cut the other
Speaker 1: way on that of a run though, absolutely awesome. Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons did his Thingum we'll get to jail in a
Speaker 1: little bit, and they kind of mentioned him. I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys yesterday that played well
Speaker 1: beyond what you may have thought of them. But they
Speaker 1: had to in order to get this team to where
Speaker 1: they were going to get the win. Let's move on
Speaker 1: to the to the next topic, the Charger defense. A
Speaker 1: lot one hundred and twenty four rush yards in week
Speaker 1: one and Dallas never really got their rush established. Does
Speaker 1: Dallas take advantage of the run this week? That was
Speaker 1: the question going in. Obviously we don't need to spend
Speaker 1: time on that, right, but Tony Pollard goes thirteen carries
Speaker 1: four hundred and nine yards and a touchdown, three catches
Speaker 1: for thirty one yards. Then Zeke at sixteen carries for
Speaker 1: seventy one yards and a touchdown, two catches for twenty
Speaker 1: six yards. My question for you guys is what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the way they're sharing the responsibilities, because
Speaker 1: we even noticed in week one, this is not a
Speaker 1: situation where you got a series where you'll bring in
Speaker 1: Pollard and spell Zeke and then your back to Zeke
Speaker 1: like they are really using these guys interchangeably at this point.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that distribution of carries. I
Speaker 1: think it's absolutely wonderful and it's been baffling me to
Speaker 1: me forever that the Cowboys weren't better at it like
Speaker 1: you look at I mean, it's been a few years
Speaker 1: at this point, but New Orleans would just rotate Kamara
Speaker 1: and Ingram on the same drive on the same possession,
Speaker 1: you know, and get them both on the field. Maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe it's Ingram for two or three players, then Kamara
Speaker 1: and then the Cowboys are always like, well, this is
Speaker 1: the Alfred Morris possession. It's the third possession of the hat. Like,
Speaker 1: no folks boring, whether that the banana the tail fight. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just I thought it was great that they
Speaker 1: what they are doing with these guys is phenomenal and
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the Dalton Schultz Blake jar Went
Speaker 1: thing like who's the start one? Who cares? They're both good.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard's too good to be on the bench as
Speaker 1: we see, and you should be encouraged as a Cowboy
Speaker 1: fan that it doesn't seem like the politics of contract
Speaker 1: side is getting in the way of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be easy to say that Zeke needs to
Speaker 1: be on the field because he makes fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, and for some reason, I think there's some
Speaker 1: people that are offended by that. Is like, well, so
Speaker 1: you needs to be touching the ball more because he
Speaker 1: makes one no whatever, like that money's spent. What we
Speaker 1: can have. That's a separate conversation. But in the season,
Speaker 1: when winning is all that matters. I just want good
Speaker 1: players on the field side. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: Very encouraged that they don't seem to care either. Well,
Speaker 1: fans don't ever care that that you're that d made
Speaker 1: two million dollars a year. We're going to the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowls a quarterback, and no one cares that Tony Pollard's
Speaker 1: contracts one million a year. I mean, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, is it even that much. She's
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. I think he's I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's got like a yeah. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I think his his salary cap charges about him. His
Speaker 1: salary might not be that, but yeah, overall, he's like
Speaker 1: a three million dollar guy. You're getting budget there, you
Speaker 1: get yeah, yeah, you're you're getting I thought I thought
Speaker 1: Zeke had a nice game too. He had a couple
Speaker 1: of runs. He had a run that was about to
Speaker 1: tweet out and then back through a pick. But it
Speaker 1: was the eight yard run right before that interception where
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it was a really good vintage
Speaker 1: Zeke type run. Everything going left, he looks back, sees
Speaker 1: a hole, cuts it back, puts his foot in the
Speaker 1: ground and gets good. You know, he got hit about
Speaker 1: four yards but carried it till eight. I mean, I
Speaker 1: thought that was a very good Zeke type of run.
Speaker 1: And then the interception came. But um, I thought he
Speaker 1: had a He had a really good game too. But
Speaker 1: Pollard just on the edge, I mean, he was, he
Speaker 1: was dynamic. It's one of the I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: It's such a huge cliche. We got to find a
Speaker 1: better There's there's another nickname out there besides thunder and lightning.
Speaker 1: There has to be, because it's the only nickname anybody's
Speaker 1: ever been able to come up with over the last
Speaker 1: like twenty five years. But kind kind of what's happening here.
Speaker 1: I do think there is a value twenty Okay, what
Speaker 1: about twenty twenty one makes more sense? It does well.
Speaker 1: Zeke makes more money, so he should be there. Whatever. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's a nice combo. I actually I didn't hear
Speaker 1: this before the game, but I was talking to Brad
Speaker 1: Sham afterward. I guess Staley again coached the Rams in
Speaker 1: Week one last year in that empty stadium. He was like,
Speaker 1: you can feel it from the sideline, like when Zeke
Speaker 1: is carrying the ball, just like the impact when he's
Speaker 1: just hammering people, and I do think that matters. Yea,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is more explosive than he is. It is
Speaker 1: what is. But again, these are not these are not
Speaker 1: bad things. These are good things. Twenty twenty one is good.
Speaker 1: That's the year they're in. I thought, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I think they go great in tandem. And I love
Speaker 1: that Callen Moore realizes that Tony Pollard is a guy
Speaker 1: who needs to have his number. I love the touchdown call,
Speaker 1: the sweep around, you know, the first touchdown to Pollard
Speaker 1: where it was just he was in motion and they
Speaker 1: just gave it to him. We thought later on there
Speaker 1: might be a fake one and they would play off
Speaker 1: of that. But I love that that play because they're
Speaker 1: best player on defense, Joey Bosa. They didn't block him.
Speaker 1: They just said I'm gonna run full speed. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's basically an arena football type of play where the
Speaker 1: guy's going in full full speed but he's just in
Speaker 1: motion and he's coming around the corner and it's like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna block Bosa. He's gonna get up the
Speaker 1: field and he's gonna go one on one and he's
Speaker 1: not even gonna touch him because he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: momentum going his way. You know, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: weird when you think about it. You block him, you
Speaker 1: block him. Bosa will won't even mess with him because
Speaker 1: Pollard would get around him, and he did. Yea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love what they're doing. I think it's really great
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to serve them well as
Speaker 1: they get later in the season because they'll have two
Speaker 1: options there at running back, so they can kind of
Speaker 1: interchange those guys or if you get an injury there,
Speaker 1: you still have somebody that usually feel very confident. No
Speaker 1: disrespect of Cedric Wilson, thought he played a really good game,
Speaker 1: but I think going into the game, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the next man up, it was basically Pollard
Speaker 1: as that next playmaker. Do you think that was it
Speaker 1: or do you think it was a game that that
Speaker 1: this game plan call for just more runs, and so
Speaker 1: they were like, instead of having Zeke run thirty times,
Speaker 1: let's use them both interchange because we know we're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball a ton, right, and that and that
Speaker 1: happened and that's probably why it led to it. But
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna they're figuring out how to get
Speaker 1: pollared involved. I do think they when when they're in
Speaker 1: the game plan meetings, especially in a week where Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup's not available, they're talking about Tony before they talk
Speaker 1: about et Cedric, like, we've got to find touches for twenty.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out for number One's fine, he didn't
Speaker 1: that one play where he was we even through for
Speaker 1: a second it looked like he might make it all
Speaker 1: the way just the way he had gotten through the line.
Speaker 1: If he had cut it left to the sideline. It's
Speaker 1: hard to ever say if you're going to score because
Speaker 1: everybody in the NFL is so fast, but he had
Speaker 1: there was another thirty yards of real estate there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not hating on the guy it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the fun of having that kind of angled
Speaker 1: view from like we're almost in the end zone and
Speaker 1: you can see the lanes so much better than you
Speaker 1: do on the TV comment or then you could see
Speaker 1: when you're actually on the field running with the ball,
Speaker 1: like it's yeah, it's easy for us to say, well,
Speaker 1: if you'd to cut back here, well, yeah, very like
Speaker 1: that three hundred pound freak was bearing down on me.
Speaker 1: Did you not see that? Sorry? That's all I saw.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's move on. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the defense. Uh, he was the thought I
Speaker 1: had last week. Both starting defensive ends were presumably out.
Speaker 1: They were out. Does Dallas find a way to get pressure?
Speaker 1: And how Dallas did end up getting two sacks? But
Speaker 1: he was the interesting part from me. He had nine
Speaker 1: quarterback hits. He hit him a lot yesterday. How do
Speaker 1: you think they did from a standpoint of just their
Speaker 1: pass rush and how much it could affect the game?
Speaker 1: I mean, just in the cut and dry sense of
Speaker 1: how did they do? Not very well? Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: because they didn't have DeMarcus Lawrence, Randy Gregor. I mean
Speaker 1: they were down an absurd degree. You're down your best
Speaker 1: two guys, you're moving your your third best pass rushers
Speaker 1: moving out of position. So no, I mean they didn't
Speaker 1: get enough pressure on them, but they weren't going to.
Speaker 1: That was the big storyline for the game, and I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that they I think the fact that
Speaker 1: they were able to make make him as uncomfortable as
Speaker 1: they did was a win given who they had available. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think next week if Gregory comes back, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Gregory and George Armstrong will probably be your starters.
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, you need to figure out,
Speaker 1: like like Dave said, figure out different packages to get
Speaker 1: Parsons in there. I would imagine that Kamara will be
Speaker 1: up instead of an eye. I think, yeah, I like
Speaker 1: not not just the play that we saw Kamara, Herbert
Speaker 1: got around him a little bit. He needs to He
Speaker 1: needed to take a different angle there. He could have
Speaker 1: really made a nice play on him. But he had
Speaker 1: a couple more rushes later in the game Kamara did.
Speaker 1: I didn't see and I really doing a whole lot there.
Speaker 1: And I don't think a Night's is great run stoppers.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna just get a guy in there
Speaker 1: to run and rush, Kamara will probably be that guy.
Speaker 1: But it's good to have Gregory back. I think they
Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get Parsons to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. But you know, he had
Speaker 1: a lot of time. I thought the third down numbers
Speaker 1: would be a lot more, And then when I was
Speaker 1: looking at him five of twelve or forty one percent,
Speaker 1: I would have thought it was more about a sixty percent.
Speaker 1: It felt like seven of ten. Yeah, it just proboys
Speaker 1: were six of ten on third down. Oh, they just
Speaker 1: weren't ever on the field that I mean, that was
Speaker 1: it was a maddening Why. I I like Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: a lot. I've I'm buying stock in his career, No
Speaker 1: doubt he's a hell of a quarterback. And continuing on
Speaker 1: that conversation of the defense, Jalen Smith led the team
Speaker 1: with nine tackles. What do you think of this before
Speaker 1: it's Nick kind of alluded to it littarlier Bore. We
Speaker 1: thought he played, and you're great on a curve, right,
Speaker 1: like for the the expectation, which is that you know
Speaker 1: everybody and everybody hates him and he can't make any
Speaker 1: plays and he's always at a position and he wasn't
Speaker 1: perfect by any stretch. But with all of that into consideration,
Speaker 1: I thought he played. I thought he played a really
Speaker 1: good game. I mean, he made a couple of plays
Speaker 1: in space. There were a couple of plays. He had
Speaker 1: a tackle on Eckler. I was just in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm just like jail and you're not gonna get there.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And on one of me carried Eckler across
Speaker 1: the field. Necla made the catch, which when you're going
Speaker 1: across field there's a lot of times you expect they're
Speaker 1: gonna make the catch because the defender is at a
Speaker 1: disadvantage in those situations. But I thought he stayed with
Speaker 1: him and actually made the tackle after the catch made
Speaker 1: it impressed. He had a pass breakup and I think
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was doing the Lebron stomp
Speaker 1: or what that was. No, I'm serious, because Lebron was there.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't. Yeah, there was a ton of people there
Speaker 1: that the celebrity types that was I mean Conn Gregor,
Speaker 1: but that's Los Ange, I know, I know, like every
Speaker 1: NBA play ian Post Malone was there. Of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of weird that they put you know,
Speaker 1: the Chargers, you know, welcome Jamie Fox. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he does our stuff, Jamie Fox does whatever. Both thanks.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's easy to talk about Jaylen because
Speaker 1: he played and how did he do? And then Parsons
Speaker 1: is doing this, and then I mean, let's quietly they
Speaker 1: Manish had a nice game too, I mean seven tackles,
Speaker 1: two for loss, had a sack. I mean it worked
Speaker 1: out to do it this way, to put Parsons here
Speaker 1: to rush. He got better as the game went on.
Speaker 1: And those guys were able to to to you know,
Speaker 1: man up there in the middle. I haven't seen Keano
Speaker 1: Neil do a whole lots and team he actually had
Speaker 1: a play because I tweeted about it when he did,
Speaker 1: and I was like, these linebackers are actually playing really well.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking at that point, I wasn't talking
Speaker 1: about Parsons. I was talking about the other three and
Speaker 1: they all were making just these different plays that were
Speaker 1: just kind of catching your attention. And Neil had done
Speaker 1: something I forgot what it was. We'd done something that
Speaker 1: was a I thought was a an outstanding play. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think all three of the linebackers I think did
Speaker 1: a really fine job yesterday. And again that's one of
Speaker 1: the areas where they have depth. So now you're able
Speaker 1: to fill in a little bit with what you're missing
Speaker 1: on the defensive line and use some of that depth
Speaker 1: at linebacker and as we will talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit later, maybe even at safety. Considering the circumstances they
Speaker 1: were up against, and they didn't they didn't play wonderful,
Speaker 1: and I think it's worth pointing out. I mean, it
Speaker 1: goes both ways. Because the Jron Curse interception that got
Speaker 1: wiped out. Was that was bs? That was terrible call.
Speaker 1: That was just run of the mill contact. I should
Speaker 1: have stood. But at the same time, the Chargers had
Speaker 1: two touchdowns wiped out and one of them looked like
Speaker 1: last year where and that was what I was afraid of.
Speaker 1: Herbert got away from the rush and extended it and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, eighty one's just standing down there on
Speaker 1: the five yard line like that type of stuff makes
Speaker 1: you nervous, but it gets wiped out by a flag,
Speaker 1: so nobody really worries about it. After the game, all
Speaker 1: of that considered, you know, they got picks, they made
Speaker 1: great play like, they made plays in space, and they
Speaker 1: did not let Herbert's ability to extend plays killed him.
Speaker 1: I mean he heard him a couple of times. Geez,
Speaker 1: Louise I almost said something else. The throw that Herbert
Speaker 1: made across the hash and went and it went above
Speaker 1: Diggs's hand one of the most amazing throws I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And it's easy to hate on Diggs for not making
Speaker 1: the play or not being in better position. Herbert might
Speaker 1: be the only quarterback in the NFL who can make
Speaker 1: that throw. Honestly, it was I mean, he's a free
Speaker 1: and so again all of that in consideration, didn't have
Speaker 1: a pass rush to speak of, not like you would prefer.
Speaker 1: They held up pretty well seventeen points and picked him
Speaker 1: off and made life difficult for him. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: and take our final break. When we come back, I
Speaker 1: do want to talk a little bit about the safety position.
Speaker 1: We saw some some players step up there and we
Speaker 1: gotta obviously give a little love Treyvon Diggs as when
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Speaker 1: The final segment, we're talking about the things that happened
Speaker 1: in this game. We've talked about the defense. I didn't
Speaker 1: get to the secondary, though, and I think the secondary
Speaker 1: was an area where we saw. For myself, I saw
Speaker 1: confirmation of things I thought during training camp, which are
Speaker 1: really Number one, I think Trayvon Diggs is the truth.
Speaker 1: I think he is going to be a very good
Speaker 1: cornerback for this team, the kind of cornerback you can
Speaker 1: put on the best receiver from the other team and
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get beat up and he's gonna make
Speaker 1: some plays. And that interception he made I thought was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: But the second part of that is I think they've
Speaker 1: got a ton of depth at depth at safety, more
Speaker 1: than they've had in a very very long time. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think about the secondary industrially, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: Diggs has got one goal at this point individually, and
Speaker 1: that's to make the Pro Bowl. I mean, he's that's
Speaker 1: the that's the track that he's on here. He gets interceptions,
Speaker 1: he's got two now and and you know, two games.
Speaker 1: But more than anything, he's traveling with with great players
Speaker 1: and Kenan Allen is a great player, absolutely, and I
Speaker 1: thought that that was just an outstanding you know matchup
Speaker 1: there um and and you know, give CD Lamb credit
Speaker 1: because they worked Treyvon Diggs, and I mean it was
Speaker 1: he got all this kind of attention to training camp
Speaker 1: and so you know he's he's gonna get. What we
Speaker 1: said it all the time is that this is preparing
Speaker 1: him for the for the season. So I thought Digs
Speaker 1: did an outstanding job. And they make plays on the ball,
Speaker 1: A great catch because he was a great catch, great
Speaker 1: play by curse. I mean that was an outstanding play. Okay,
Speaker 1: penalty fine, but to find the ball and get it,
Speaker 1: so they're making plays, that's what I like about it.
Speaker 1: I owe I might owe Treyvon Diggs an apology. It's
Speaker 1: not like I didn't. I didn't think he wasn't good.
Speaker 1: But we talked about it all the time where I
Speaker 1: was like, I've been here before. You know, Byron Jones
Speaker 1: looked like an All Pro safety in twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 1: you just you watch the same thing over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, and you're in this bubble of confirmation
Speaker 1: and things get twisted. So I just I was in
Speaker 1: my head. I was like let's see how Digs does
Speaker 1: once the season starts, like is he as good as
Speaker 1: he looks? Or is this another banana and the tailpipe?
Speaker 1: Clearly I was incorrect. I mean he's a stud and
Speaker 1: he looks fantastic. Obama players can be tricky, yeah, if
Speaker 1: they're not first round picks. The first round picks are
Speaker 1: typically in the pass rushers and all those guys are great.
Speaker 1: But if you're not a first round pick at Alabama,
Speaker 1: especially a secondary guy, you're thinking, was he really that good?
Speaker 1: Or is he just playing with all these other great
Speaker 1: players and great pass rushers and all that. Because you
Speaker 1: go back and look, I mean across the league, the
Speaker 1: Alabama players taking rounds two through seven, they're not as
Speaker 1: great at all. I mean it's a huge drop off,
Speaker 1: and I'm of course it is from the first round,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying they don't even fall through the cracks,
Speaker 1: you know. So he is actually performing like like like
Speaker 1: a first round pick, like a first round pick, which
Speaker 1: so and the other thing. So, yeah, Trayvon awesome, which
Speaker 1: I looked. I just look, Kenan Allen had a hundred
Speaker 1: yards did not feel like it, did not feel like
Speaker 1: it at all, which I mean that's a testament to
Speaker 1: I think how hard it is to hold that offense
Speaker 1: down and he got and how how hard it is
Speaker 1: to hold him He got an enormous chunk of that
Speaker 1: on that one super extended play. You know, he caught
Speaker 1: the ball down by like the five yard line. He
Speaker 1: had a forty two yard long and I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not sold that this secondary is some incredible unit. I know,
Speaker 1: I know they're not. They're not, but I'm super encouraged
Speaker 1: and excited. And Nick just said it. They have ball
Speaker 1: skills like Diggs's. Both of Diggs's picks have been no,
Speaker 1: no Cowboys dB in the last decades. Making that play
Speaker 1: even I said that last night to Todd Archer, we
Speaker 1: were on the same plane. I was like, both of
Speaker 1: Diggs's picks, that's not happening. He was like, well, Diggs's
Speaker 1: first pick was just it was just a tipped screen pass.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, And guys that were here
Speaker 1: five years ago would have done this thing for a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds, let it hit the ground, and then
Speaker 1: they're pounding on the ground and doing push ups, and
Speaker 1: right oh hand Diggs makes the play. Jay Ron Kurt again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw out any I don't want
Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus. But there are safeties
Speaker 1: that have been here in past years where the ball
Speaker 1: would pop up in the air and again, yeah, they
Speaker 1: kind of bat at it and it hits the ground.
Speaker 1: Now when that happens, it's Dorn's armstrong. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: ball and hit him because everybody's like baits of playing,
Speaker 1: you know, but okay, if you're safety, that's one thing
Speaker 1: defensive in I think he gets a pass Demante Casey's
Speaker 1: he had the most straightforward play and that one might
Speaker 1: have been even more difficult because Herbert throws a fricking
Speaker 1: laser to a guy on another level, so it's even closer.
Speaker 1: You know, he he saw it, he had a quarter
Speaker 1: of a second to react to that, and he goes
Speaker 1: up and snags it like a receiver and very impressive
Speaker 1: and then in the end zone, by the way, that's
Speaker 1: what made it such a great term. And then just
Speaker 1: the alert you know, thinking of like, oh, let's get down.
Speaker 1: He even said, man, you know, I thought may I
Speaker 1: could get out and make a play and then he
Speaker 1: was like, no, that's pot and that that helped them,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's that's two and that's two games. Now,
Speaker 1: six takeaways in two games. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: keep this momentum up, but if they can make plays
Speaker 1: like this, that translates, right. If you have the wherewithal
Speaker 1: to react like that and make the play, it gives
Speaker 1: me confidence that you can do it on a reliable basis,
Speaker 1: maybe not six every two weeks, but reliably getting them
Speaker 1: instead of we're so used to the Cowboys defense going
Speaker 1: through stretches where it's like, well it's been a month
Speaker 1: since they've had a takeaway. I don't think that'll happen
Speaker 1: if these guys can can play with ball skills like that,
Speaker 1: So that's really encouraging um. And yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: I talked about this with Todd last night too. They
Speaker 1: had that. Remember they had the rash of takeaways in
Speaker 1: December last year brand Brandon Allen, Nick Mullins and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: They got six takeaways against Brady and Herbert ye the
Speaker 1: goat and one of the most exciting young quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league. So if they can do it against those guys,
Speaker 1: they should be able to do it against a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. Comes Darnold, Here, comes Daniel bring Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: in here, come on, I mean you got mat with
Speaker 1: with New England. I mean you've got four games in
Speaker 1: a row now where I mean, this is the stretch
Speaker 1: we talked about it. When the schedule comes out, everybody
Speaker 1: probably put a split here, you know, and then it's
Speaker 1: like this is where you've got to hit it right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you you've got to win these four games
Speaker 1: if you really want to be that kind of team. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: they can lose a game and they'll be fine and
Speaker 1: all that, but I mean, because two of them are
Speaker 1: division home games, got to win that and I think
Speaker 1: they can beat New England. I'm not trying to get ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is a stretch where you know
Speaker 1: you can go one and one. They could be five
Speaker 1: and one. And I'm not trying to be that guy
Speaker 1: that they're being gay. Well but but but we've seen it.
Speaker 1: And I said, and I wrote this last night, moral victories.
Speaker 1: This is why we talk about moral victories because it
Speaker 1: helped their morale. It builds confidence, built confidence. They figured
Speaker 1: out how to win even when they didn't. They said,
Speaker 1: we can rely on all these people. We can our
Speaker 1: defense can make plays, our kicker can make a kick
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, we can go into
Speaker 1: a road place and we can win and we can
Speaker 1: beat you know, they didn't, but it led him to this.
Speaker 1: I think they they won this game. It all started
Speaker 1: in Tampa and let's not forget this. And this is
Speaker 1: what my column was last night. You can't get a
Speaker 1: crazier week than the Cowboys had last week. On the field,
Speaker 1: I mean I practice, I mean there was more injuries
Speaker 1: in practice than in the movie The Program where they're
Speaker 1: like hitting each other Oklahoma drill, I mean leon Lett
Speaker 1: gets hurt. I mean go to the hospital. I mean
Speaker 1: demonte Kazi and oz Iris Mitchell, they run into each other.
Speaker 1: Mitchell now six weeks and he got hurt, and you
Speaker 1: know he came back. I mean you know it's I mean,
Speaker 1: Gregory's out and all Marcus Lawrence gets hurt in practice too,
Speaker 1: Like all these things happened, and they were able to
Speaker 1: come here and get that win. And I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking how much time we have left here because we
Speaker 1: do need to talk about the final like that that's
Speaker 1: next time as soon as y'all whatever, ye Derek is,
Speaker 1: Derek's a very like checkbox guy. Like, I'm very organized
Speaker 1: when it comes to this show, I enough to be.
Speaker 1: I probably would have started with the final jove no,
Speaker 1: And actually we saved that to the last war because
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to dive into this. So so
Speaker 1: talking me through that that last sequence, what happened there?
Speaker 1: Obviously there are a ton of people out there that
Speaker 1: are like, he completely missed me talking about McCarthy completely
Speaker 1: mismanaged that last I guess it would have been thirty
Speaker 1: three seconds or so. What actually happened and what do
Speaker 1: you believe was the issue or was it just a
Speaker 1: circumstance that that just kind of got him there? I
Speaker 1: take out the word completely, and then I'm good with that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he mismanaged it, completely mismanaged it, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they got a field goal and he trusted the guy
Speaker 1: to make it. But but I think that was mismanaged
Speaker 1: because you should have got another play there. Um. But
Speaker 1: I can speak from experience. I was standing not too
Speaker 1: far from there, and I saw that the light that
Speaker 1: the that the he was looking explain you explained what
Speaker 1: McCarthy said at first, So people kind of know that.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Okay, So it's second down and they
Speaker 1: run the ball to to Pollard with about thirty three
Speaker 1: seconds to go, and now it's third and three and
Speaker 1: they're looking him and Kellamore are looking straight ahead at
Speaker 1: a video board that's been there all game that has
Speaker 1: the clock and it has the down and distance. And
Speaker 1: it went out straight, went out like black went black.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a charger's you know, third ound because
Speaker 1: all that which they used to do that and then
Speaker 1: they the NFL's stopped that on those boards. But now
Speaker 1: they're looking around and you know, they haven't found that
Speaker 1: second clocket, you know, because Dak is looking at a clock.
Speaker 1: He's got it. So then they I think they panicked
Speaker 1: a little bit. Also, Tony Pollard came off the field
Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to, so that messed up their
Speaker 1: play because they had two plays call. So now they're
Speaker 1: just kind of in scramble mode. And then they get
Speaker 1: to that seventeen seconds is when they said is the
Speaker 1: threshold for you know, running a play and then it's
Speaker 1: no timeout, but they didn't have one. I personally when
Speaker 1: all that happened, to call a time out with about
Speaker 1: twenty eight seconds, I'm talking to my last take, my
Speaker 1: last time out and you know I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: get a first down, I'm probably gonna throw it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the tough part because if you only got one
Speaker 1: time out then now, and on that next play, it
Speaker 1: either needs to be an incompletion or it needs to
Speaker 1: be a play that can get you out of bounds.
Speaker 1: The likelihood that you're gonna be able to get up
Speaker 1: there and be able to get your your your kicking
Speaker 1: unit on the field like that, that's gonna be run
Speaker 1: and get a first down. You get up there and
Speaker 1: get up there, spike it. But if you don't get
Speaker 1: a first down right now, you're rushing everyone up there
Speaker 1: to kick a fifty four yard Yeah, you're rushing to
Speaker 1: train change units. So that might have been a bit tough.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm and I get the clock thing, which,
Speaker 1: although I was joking with you before the show, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a clock in the end zone. Dak's been looking
Speaker 1: at it all day, and that's what Dak said. He
Speaker 1: was like, I just thought they trusted zirline, Like I
Speaker 1: knew what I knew exactly what was going on. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the clock under the goal post, and I'm
Speaker 1: well aware of everything. I just thought they were fine
Speaker 1: with the field goal, and I'm just like, whoa, everybody
Speaker 1: knows that that clock's down there, can't you just like
Speaker 1: look to your left and see what it says? Well,
Speaker 1: that's easy to say. I will say that. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, if you also are dealing with last
Speaker 1: Paula coming out, Phil, where's my clock got? You know
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. I mean that that there's
Speaker 1: a criminal level of disorganization. I mean, regardless of the clock,
Speaker 1: and that that's the thing that bothers me is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you you have two plays called in that situation, you
Speaker 1: should be a play ahead of the of the down.
Speaker 1: And whether it's coaching miscommunication or is it just purely
Speaker 1: on Tony, I don't know, but whoever, you can't do
Speaker 1: that in the NFL. Tony's got to know. The coaches
Speaker 1: have to know they ran. He ran the ball with
Speaker 1: thirty three seconds left on the clock and it wasn't
Speaker 1: even it was just a straight run. Everybody in the
Speaker 1: building knew the clock was going to run when it
Speaker 1: was over, and like nobody on the Cowboys seemed like
Speaker 1: they knew what to do in that situation. And I
Speaker 1: get all of these variables that were in the way,
Speaker 1: but just I mean Dak called the play. Somebody, somebody
Speaker 1: do something. You know. It's weird about that is when
Speaker 1: I asked a couple of players after the game, Pollard
Speaker 1: included maybe also Zack Martin, they said, you know, we
Speaker 1: practiced this that that four minute sequence more than anything,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, really that was the part
Speaker 1: where I'm like, yeah, coach has to I know that
Speaker 1: there were other things involved, but there's some culpability with
Speaker 1: the coach in those situations because if they practiced that
Speaker 1: a lot, then maybe they should have practiced a little
Speaker 1: bit more because it was still this at least from
Speaker 1: from Tony stampoint. Tony didn't know where he was supposed
Speaker 1: to be. I was. I was so proud of the
Speaker 1: way that they played it to we talked about this.
Speaker 1: I was like, they the kick needs to be the
Speaker 1: last thing that happens in this game, and they played
Speaker 1: they slow played it so well, like they ran eleven
Speaker 1: fricking plays. I think they only ran they started with
Speaker 1: I think they had three fifty eight when they took
Speaker 1: the ball. They only ran like two or three plays
Speaker 1: up until the two minute warning. They were deliberately trying
Speaker 1: to just bleed the clock out. They throw the Jason
Speaker 1: Witton out route to Cedric Wilson. It's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1: Made me laugh and I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: They're they're doing it. They're doing what a smart team
Speaker 1: should be doing. And then the bottom just dropped out.
Speaker 1: It worked out. So I mean, obviously we would have
Speaker 1: done a half hour on this if it hadn't worked out.
Speaker 1: But it just it shouldn't It shouldn't be that sloppy
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It just shouldn't be. And I get
Speaker 1: that the clock went out, but figure it out. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think of it? I didn't love the
Speaker 1: play call that preceded it with the end a round
Speaker 1: to Pollard, and the reason why was because I think
Speaker 1: if you're going to run that play, then you tell Pollard, look,
Speaker 1: the important thing here is get to the outside, because
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do this, we want to give you
Speaker 1: the ability to be able to run out of bounds,
Speaker 1: because if they would have been able to get him
Speaker 1: out of bounds in that situation, you're in a better
Speaker 1: situation from the standpoint of the clock and managing the
Speaker 1: clock from there. I just I just I would have
Speaker 1: rather a pass play in that kind of situation rather
Speaker 1: than that, because he gets tackled in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, and I think that's what puts you in
Speaker 1: the position in the first place. That sounds good about
Speaker 1: getting to the outside, but sometimes these players to get outside,
Speaker 1: you have to give up a little bit to get there,
Speaker 1: And the worst thing that could have happened is give
Speaker 1: up more yards. You know you gotta did you question?
Speaker 1: Like he cut back in and I think it was
Speaker 1: Dave that like somebody was sitting inside me was like,
Speaker 1: I think we both at the same time, We're like,
Speaker 1: why do you cut back in? Like he had more
Speaker 1: real estate and he could outrun those guys in the outside.
Speaker 1: I need to watch this. I woke up two hours ago,
Speaker 1: plus I need to rewatch the game. But it reminded me.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be clear. You went to bed three hours ago, yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Actually I woke up an hour and a half, right, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you took the red eye last night, so
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, you've had like an hour
Speaker 1: or sleep maybe, um, but it in the moment, it
Speaker 1: reminded me of the option play from week one. I
Speaker 1: felt like whoever was blocking on the boundary kind of
Speaker 1: lost contain and that's it's a double edged sword. I
Speaker 1: love Kellen's aggression because if if they had gotten a
Speaker 1: block on the outside, I think you're right. I think
Speaker 1: Tony could turn that guy on the corner and probably
Speaker 1: get fifteen yards and all of a sudden, this is
Speaker 1: a very manageable field goal, and Kellen Moore looks like
Speaker 1: a genius. But you don't get the block, and even
Speaker 1: if they don't have the mess with the clock, you're
Speaker 1: still on the edge of field goal. Ringe Um, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just football is. It could have
Speaker 1: been the most amazing play call, but you don't get
Speaker 1: one block, and so it doesn't look that great in retrospect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was just I think the whole sequence
Speaker 1: was a little bit baffling for me, but it worked
Speaker 1: out for me. And you're right, that could have gone
Speaker 1: really wrong, and that'd be what we're talking about today. Now,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't lose a game on that, They would go
Speaker 1: to overtime. But that's that's kind of part of the
Speaker 1: problem here, is that I think that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people look at this and saying this is
Speaker 1: the first time there have been situations where you questioned
Speaker 1: the decisions coming from the coaches and is this going
Speaker 1: to be an ongoing train where against a better team
Speaker 1: you may not have the benefit of a win. It
Speaker 1: goes back to the thing of I haven't I haven't
Speaker 1: seen what Mike McCarthy provides on game day yet, you know,
Speaker 1: just in terms of like that's his specialty and that's
Speaker 1: what he did, and that I mean, we said the
Speaker 1: same thing about Jason Garrett for years, like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what he brings to game day that makes him
Speaker 1: better than the other team's coach. And this is the
Speaker 1: latest example they got away with it, but it's not inspired.
Speaker 1: And two weeks in a row that they've also been
Speaker 1: bailed out right before halftime where they've made decisions that
Speaker 1: they could have cost them some points. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know why you're rushing the punt there, trying to shoot.
Speaker 1: We didn't even get to that. Yeah, And actually I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about that tomorrow because I want
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of a bit deeper dive
Speaker 1: into just special teams and how it's being coordinated. This
Speaker 1: goes back to last year. This has been a situation
Speaker 1: where there have been some questionable calls and who's really
Speaker 1: making these calls and allowing them to happen. Some point,
Speaker 1: hit coach, if the special team's coordinator is a little
Speaker 1: more aggressive than you want, at some point you got
Speaker 1: to step in and be like, all right, slow this
Speaker 1: down a bit. And that doesn't seem to be happening.
Speaker 1: So it reminds me of onside kicks. And I know
Speaker 1: they change the rule a little bit to make it
Speaker 1: easier to recover an onside kick, but like the way
Speaker 1: they've changed the rules to make the game more safe
Speaker 1: have made onside kicks like incredibly hard to recover. And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with blocking a punt, like they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw the flag if you if the punter gets
Speaker 1: breathed on. They just are And it's like, um, it's
Speaker 1: like the old catch rule, like did Dez catch it?
Speaker 1: Of course, but the minute that they saw that, it
Speaker 1: looked like he didn't have possession. There's just there's landmarks
Speaker 1: that referees look for because the game moves so fast,
Speaker 1: margeting right, yeah, which and it leads to a lot
Speaker 1: of bad calls. I get that the Cowboys didn't technically
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. They their guy got I think it
Speaker 1: was Kamara got pulled into the punter. I understand that.
Speaker 1: Guess what all the ref seas is the punter's foot
Speaker 1: go above his head and he's like, flag you hit
Speaker 1: the punter? Sorry about it. And my point is you
Speaker 1: might not like it, but what is the risk versus
Speaker 1: the reward? The risk is like at least fifty percent
Speaker 1: that you're gonna draw a flag, and the reward is
Speaker 1: like a two percent chance that you blocked the punt.
Speaker 1: Like how often do you see block punts in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Out One thing to note I did here this this morning.
Speaker 1: Did happen in Week one between Pittsburgh and Buffalo. But well,
Speaker 1: the charges have I want to say that they said
Speaker 1: the Chargers have been they have had the most punts
Speaker 1: blocked all last year of any team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So you may go into that game thinking there are
Speaker 1: opportunities here. Again not saying that was the right situation
Speaker 1: for them to go for that, but that could have
Speaker 1: been something that factored into their decision, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was, and I'm sure John will say that when
Speaker 1: he talks to the media later today. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Risk verse reward just doesn't doesn't seem like it clicks
Speaker 1: for me. All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna get a little bigger
Speaker 1: picture look at this team and around the NFC East.
Speaker 1: Will also talk about the coordinators. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what they're doing right now. We've been seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of good things from the offensive and defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: for sure. We'll talk about that tomorrow too. Then for
Speaker 1: Nick even to Dave helm and I'm Derek Eagleton. This
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