WEBVTT - Ep. 007 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.320 Hey, everyone is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording in Madison, Wisconsin. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:11.639 I'm here with Doug during from Madison. Cas No, are 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.920 you from Madison or Casanova. I'm from Casanova, but I 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.320 live in Madison. Yeah, Dugs from Casanova, which is like 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.720 the redneck step child in Madison. Right, that's pretty accurate. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:24.880 Did you grow up? Did you grow up hating people 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.920 from Madison because you were from Casanova. I spent a 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.560 lot of time here. I used to come down here, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.200 like when I was in high school and stuff. Yeah, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.040 Dougs farm Dugs from a farm family and egg family. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.240 His dad. I've haunted on Dougs a handful of times. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.400 And I spent more time in Wisconsin that doing my 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.040 home state now. And uh, Doug's dad was a rural 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.400 mail carrier, right. Um. Funny story about Dug's dad. He 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.559 some one time someone made it some calls trying to 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.040 accuse Dug's dad of being a communist because he had 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.600 delivered some magazines called Red Book pretty sample of Red 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:01.480 Book magazine. Yeah, which for so they don't know, they 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.000 thought he spread communist propic. Well, that and some other 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.759 things that had gone on, you know, politically in the area. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.039 But yeah, and if you don't know, Red Book magazine 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:14.800 is a woman's magazine, so I expected something like this 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.360 red Book. Here with Remy Warren, we're mainly talking with 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.280 Remy Um. Also here with Honest, we tell us a 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.280 little known fact about y Honest, you tell us right 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:34.760 now he has poison IVY on his packer. We were 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.559 just got back from turkey hunting in California, and where 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:45.640 we were hunting, the is it predominant or prominent? If 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:52.040 I was gonna say the blank undergrowth predominant about pervading 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.840 the pervading undergrowth, It's like a lot of places you 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.720 go and you'd be like, oh, you know, oh ship, 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:03.080 there's some poison oat or poison ivy. Um this place, 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.960 it was just everything that wasn't a tree was poison oak. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:18.200 There was like trees, grass, poison. It was the prevailing, predominant, prominent, dominant. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.440 You know you didn't have so yeah, Yanni made himself 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:29.360 a little like a no, I don't know, we didn't. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.239 You know, I've gotten that stuff so bad in the past. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.400 I've gotten that stuff so bad that I had to 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.680 go to the emergency room for having bad fevers because 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.760 we were burning at one time. They we were clearing 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.840 a lot in Indiana and burned a bunch of that 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.400 stuff and I had breathed it in and it wasn't 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.960 hours later and I guess got very bad fever and 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.040 um and since then, I've always had a problem with it. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:57.440 But the weird thing about this time is initial exposure 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.799 was eight days ago and I just got my first 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.280 blister this morning. But yeah, he's had it on his 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.560 tally whackers since. Maybe it just sympathetic sympathetic symptoms. Right, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.080 you're just feeling for him a little bit, so you're like, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.440 look right here, and our crew were about they got it, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.960 and no, everybody's saying they did not get it. No, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.519 because you now have a spot, well count that as 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:28.240 having it. Okay, Well no, I thought Mike said nothing 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.280 on his forms. He's said a picture. It's pretty good 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:37.280 on his forearms. I hate that stuff. Yeah, it's wicked. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.440 I made it about four or five days, really like 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.280 strong mentally, and I've just been holding off and not 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.200 scratching at all. And at three o'clock this morning, I 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.200 just woke up and I even put band aids over 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.920 like the worst one, so that I couldn't scratch while 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.200 I was asleep, and I woke up like ripping the 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.400 band aids off, unconscious because you want to go. Before 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.880 I actually woke up, I was already on them all, dude. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.600 The last time I had it bad was I told 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.680 his story A hunter times by skinned a wild pig 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.360 that had been rolling in it, and it was just immediate. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:13.080 Was like the next day, I just had sleeves of 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.880 it my waistline. I can see how I tucked my 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.880 shirt in and like actually like finger lines where I 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.920 had like tucked my wool undershirt in, like finger lines 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.360 running down my abdomen. Had it on my scroll, had 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:34.360 it on my tally. Whacker had it just everywhere, just 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.840 just awful. And then we went from we went to 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.599 hunt in Montana after that, and it's like blow zero, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.200 so you're laying in your sleeping bag just so you 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.719 know it's cold, but you it's just like I hate 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.200 that stuff, man. That seems like the worst. But Yani's 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.400 got it pretty good now. And we were taking every precaution, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.640 like we'd hunt and you couldn't not You couldn't. You 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.640 didn't even have to not hunt. The only way to 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:05.359 avoid me to not hunt. So we hunted turkeys quite successfully, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.240 and we'd come back and just take off your pants 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.800 and boots, wash your clothes. Anytime I touched my boots, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.800 I would tie my boots in the morning, scrub the 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.359 piss out of my hands. When I took my boots 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.560 off at night, scrubbed the piss out of my hands. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.320 I kept two or three layers out of all times. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.520 M Um, I feel like I still feel like I 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.560 defeated it, but it could come out fourteen days later. Yeah. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.279 When I was I was blacktail hunting down there, and 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.279 I did the same, you know, just camping though. So 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.200 I just had a pair of gloves that I always 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.560 wore anytime I was touching any of my clothes or anything. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.160 It was like put the leathern gloves on. But then 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.520 I shot some mountain quail with my bow and then 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.560 see the arrow laying over there. I was like, no, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.640 that's good because I thought, next time I draw the 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.040 arrow back to touching my face. She was like, yeah, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.440 that was an expensive expensive birds to shoot at. Because 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.520 I like, no, I'm not picking this man, I think 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.159 the next time I do it. I was thinking about, uh, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.600 every time I've hunted there every time I hunted in California, 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.240 I've gotten them in this area, you know. Um, I 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.800 was thinking about trying to use bringing a shipload of 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.279 latex gloves. Yeah, I think that would work. Just all 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.240 day long, man, have like a ziplock baggy and just 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.640 all day long, like putting latex gloves on and just 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.240 periodically taking the things off, putting said latex cloves on, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.400 taking them off. It would probably work because it's always 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.640 on your your hand, Like right now, I can feel 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.280 some it hasn't done anything, and it usually it does. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.080 I can feel it on my face, but I got 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.440 some where it pops up with your skins thin, so 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.320 like my eye socket. I can feel it right here 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.440 for sure. I bring those, uh like those. I don't 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.360 alcohol wipes too. I think that that helps. Like they 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.320 say they say ice apropyl alcohol cut that oil. When 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.279 you get poison oak. What's happening? And this is something 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.280 that we're talking about, Doug um my understanding right now. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:04.680 And I want to look at so much to look 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.359 this up. I was just doing that. Is it poison 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:13.600 oak and poison ivy? There's no difference. Are poison ivy 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:20.680 and poison oak the same thing I'm on answers dot Com. Yeah, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:25.720 is the is the answer poison ivy toxic condra radicans 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.600 and poison oak toxicondra. Oh diverse. But I thought it 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.160 was a unbroken cline of integrades across the species, right. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.240 I really like that. When you said that earlier, I 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.120 was like, Wow, he really knows what he's talking about. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:46.560 But he's like, I have this unbroken cline of integrades. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.640 You can picture what that means, right. It would be 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.600 like you got some bird. It's everywhere, but like you 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.360 look at one in Californi turkey is a good example. Yeah, 0:07:55.400 --> 0:08:00.640 for instance, the wild turkey, the osciola turkey in the 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.760 eastern there's no genetic barrier, like like an ostiold turkey 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.679 is is what is known as a subspecies of the 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.960 wild turkey in the Florida Peninsula. What what you can't 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.000 see if it? Doug's giving this face like this like 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.080 oh here we go face. I was just thinking about 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.360 a conversation that Addison I had earlier about I want 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.800 to I want to hear about dougs uh purple suburban. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.160 But first let me tell you about Dougs purple suburban 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:32.240 it was oh sorry, no, please please only it's only 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:43.840 my podcast, all right. So, Unbroken Client of Integrates, Eastern 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.840 turkeys look different than Ostiola turkeys, but there's no gap, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.800 there's no like gap where one ends and the other begins. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:55.360 The same thing with mule deer and Columbia blacktails. According 0:08:55.360 --> 0:09:00.480 to Boone and Crockett, it's I five West five, he's 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.040 a black tail, East I five he's a mule. Here. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.800 You could go for me the blacktail to a muleder 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.719 just by crossing the highway. Unbroken Client of Integrates, they 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.400 look different, all right, what we're saying, No, Well, it's 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.480 they're they're not the same, but they are related, is 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.360 that right? All right? And it's the reason that that 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.920 is theres the same. Yeah, but then the we'd have 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.280 to get a taxonomist to talk about this, but they 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:35.240 aren't there, you know, same uh genus, different SPECIs different family, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.480 different family. Yeah, Jennifer, so I think you know what 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.760 Yanni's wife, Yes, his wife's a botanist. What she said, 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.960 you have different family, the two of them, and then 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.439 poison Sumac is the whole another one. Yeah, well I 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:52.839 know that always thought or have you pronounced that the 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.640 same oil. Good I stand corrected. No, No, he's gonna 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.800 scien scrolls wrong now and I was gonna say that 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:04.440 you a right. Steve's right well, and that they're they're 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.960 they're related. All right, everybody's right, Rammy, you're just off 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:16.160 the plane from New Zealand. Um, all right, I want 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.040 to give because I want to talk about New Zealand 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.120 from it, all right, but I want to bring but 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.120 I want to like bring list I want to talk 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.800 to I'm gonna address listeners from it. You correct me 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.199 when i'm done, You correct me where I'm wrong. Alright, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.240 New Zealand has New Zealand's big ass island, the Pacific. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.920 It's like a continent ekind of island giant. It's actually 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:42.640 too primary islands California. So the only native mammal that 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:48.800 New Zealand had were some bats pre arrival of humans. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.120 The first team is the goal. There were the mayority, right, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.680 how did that? They were not the first teams, but 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:59.960 they were the most successful Polynesians. Yeah, I mean apparently 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.000 to marry they took over the island, and then they 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.640 because there wasn't a lot of food, so then eventually 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.719 they used the original native people as food source. Yeah, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.000 they were big in the cannibalism, like keep putting people 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.000 out on islands and stuff. Yeah, but they was because 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.840 they essentially extinct, extinct their food source, which was a 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.679 moa giant. Yeah, that's what I want to get to. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.640 So New Zealand had no mammals except for some bats 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.360 and um. But they it was like they had birds 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.240 that filled all the all the niches or niches if 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.760 you're if you want to like you know more what 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.960 you're talking about. They had birds that filled all like 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:44.480 the mammal niches, like giant grazers four five hundred pound birds. Yeah. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.920 And then top predator was a the hast eagle, which 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.240 eight five pound birds. So that's like that is a 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.000 giant eagle. That's what my kids would call it. Bad mobile. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.160 Natural History Museum. You have been there in uh it 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.120 puts the main big town the bottom of the North Island, Auckland. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.120 Auckland is the capital, right, Yeah, I think it's the 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.920 natural history museum. We went there. They have a recreation 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.560 of a cave and it's like it's a hole in 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.520 the ground right below the ground level where one of 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.040 those eagles had caught the Moa and then crashed into 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.679 there and the bones were like on top of each 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.560 so they had it kind of recreated in there. Yeah, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:33.920 giant all right, So New Zealand the like, there's a 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.720 problem with islands where when people colonize islands, they tend 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.120 to eradicate, you know, all the wildlife, like it happened 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.800 in the Hawaii Islands. Like Polynesians when they arrived in Hawaii, 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.520 what many many many extinctions and one problem they show 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.920 up with rats, you know, yeah, to show up with rats. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.440 People tend to show up places with pigs cause all 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.680 manner problems. So one the like the polony or like 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.760 a people of Polynesian destentihal up in New Zealand and 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.800 and like everything it just crashed, like the place crashed 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.040 pretty much. Yeah, they just ecological ran out of food 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.880 and all those big birds are very vulnerable to over 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.800 hunting later, you know, the bridge show up. And I 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.760 was just reading about this the r day the Brits. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:23.320 The British had these committees you know how like nowadays 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.880 you belong to a conservation organization, like I'm a member 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.160 of a handful of conservation organizations, and the goal of 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.240 a conservation organization would be that you conserve generally like 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.760 you're conserving native wildlife. Pheasants Forever is a conservation organization 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.640 that tries to conserve and introduced bird, the pheasant. You know, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.920 pheasants aren't from here. There from Asia. When the British 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.400 were in New Zealand, they had these things called acclimatization organizations. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.520 It's like it's an organization dedicated to trying to make 0:13:55.320 --> 0:14:00.440 New Zealand seemed familiar to Europe. Just yeah, everybody wants 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.640 to feel like they're at home. Was to bring in 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.840 they were. They were organizations based around bringing in an 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:14.760 introducing wild plafe and plants and other things. There's the 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.960 worst plant, there's gorse. It's like, let's bring a plant 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.040 that every time you walk past it at pokes you 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.040 and then causes rashes. Was it intentionally brought in? I 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.000 think so, just another I mean I don't know for 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.520 a fact, but it could have been. Could have just 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.480 been a byproduct of bringing in some other animals. Yeah, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.000 there's just a ton of plants like that that have 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.920 no Yeah, we like spotted nap weed here, I mean 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.160 we have tons of stuff here. It was accidentally that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.840 rolled in on wheat seats, you know, thistles, all kinds 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.920 of stuff. So in New Zealand they introduced everything. A 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.920 lot of things stuck. And now in New Zealand you 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.560 go hunting there and you're not hunting um native wildlife, 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.480 but it in New Zealand and environmentalist. It's someone who 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.440 wants to kill all the wildlife pretty much because there's 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.720 a big movement to particularly with predators because they have 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.920 a lot of small No, they don't have any big predators. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.680 They have a lot of small predators. Weasels, skunks, the um, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:21.200 the omnivorous no skunks, possum, but stots, skunks, they're stouts. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:28.200 There's which is the feral cats, weasels, ferrets, um, stouts 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.480 and then possums but they aren't opossums. They're red possum. Yeah, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.160 they're in Australian. It's used the possums were actually brought 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.920 over for It's like they put it in with the wool. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.800 They mix it with the wool, which is so when 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.320 you shoot a possum you can actually pluck them they're 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.600 still warm. Yeah, so you mix it with sheep wool 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.040 and it's like gives it this cashmere field super super softer, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.520 pretty cool pelts. So they did that and they got 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:00.280 a big proplem rats too, Yeah, rabbits hairs, those are 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.320 the worst. New Zealand's got this big struggle where they're like, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.760 you know, it would be a goal if you ask, 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.240 if you ask like a conservationist or an environmentalist of 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.840 some sort in New Zealand, it would be a gold. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.320 You'd you'd clear the island of all non natives and 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.320 somehow start rehabilitating all the law species, many of which 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.360 are gone forever, like you won't get them back. There's 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.880 a lot of endangered birds there and stuff, and hunting 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.480 there's weird because on one hand, the government's out gun 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.440 and animals from helicopters and poisoning with ten eighties cereal poison. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:39.840 You've got kind of everyone's like, oh, there's no no predators, 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.000 no limits, no seasons, but you've got government guys shooting 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.080 them from helicopters, people poisoning areas like and everybody hunting 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.920 all the time. No close season. Yeah, there's no closed seasons, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.040 no bag limits. Your competition isn't so much other hunters, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.240 it's it's government sharp shooters shoot out a helicopter it's 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.920 just a wild place to hunt. I you know, I've 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.639 I had a great time. If if viewers of the 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.480 show Meat Eatered, might you know no Remy from various 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.399 things he's involved in. But um, we did four episodes, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.399 very well received episodes of media that we shot in 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.840 New Zealand, Hunt with Remy and um what what you spent? 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.720 What time there? Uh about three months like March, April, May, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.159 a little bit in June. Yeah, you know what, I know, 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.240 I got a buddy and anchorage. One thing about New Zealand. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.920 When you see, when you like, if you see like 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.000 a TV host type personality, guy go over New Zealand, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.120 he shoots a giant stag. Always it's a pend up animals. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.920 So what you do is they raped? But what except 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.560 I'm gonna tell you about a dude. I know. So 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.280 they raised stags like like red deer. They raised them 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.840 in order to for many things meat, but also to 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.000 harvest de velovet for afrodesiac markets in Asia well and 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.400 joint medicine. There's a lot of it. Oh so it's 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.800 not afrodjac it's like human performance stuff. Oh that with 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.359 the velvet s for a lot of time, you know, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.680 what okah, So I mean, I'm sure it is afrodjiac stuff, 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.359 but they use I guess they used recently, we've been 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.639 asked to collect the tails. I guess there's a gland 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.200 in the tail that they use, like dried up something 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.119 like that on like while they're running this gland so 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.439 they yeah, but the yeah, you can make like uh, 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.399 there's something that's good for your joints. So they raise 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.359 deer like it's profitable. The velvet's valuable enough where you 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.359 can raise dear just to pull velvet and sell it. Yeah, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.760 and when to want to want a stag gets I'm 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.000 still paranoid about ticks. I'm still like checking my head 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:52.000 for tis places turkey as my ticks on. That's good. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.240 So what if stag gets to be like as big 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.840 as he's gonna get. Right, Yeah, they'll sell it to 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.560 a guy who runs hunts. They'll put in a truck 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.440 and drive it over and turn it loosen his little 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.080 penned area. Then the dood will come out and he'll 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:11.480 be like. They'll be like, well, how much do you 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.040 want to spend and what's the cost did you want 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.919 to shoot fou about twelve thousand somewhere around there and 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.320 they'll charge you based on the you'd be like, oh, 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.240 I want to spend ten or twelve, and they'll show 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.119 you which one to shoot. I have an idea for 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.840 New Zealand. I brought us up with you before. They 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.840 have like range finding binoculars. I want to make a 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.679 rifle scope. This will be good for Texas, New Zealand. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.080 A bar code reading rifle scope. Where as you're aiming 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.440 at the animal, like when you're a high when you're hunting, 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.600 like a high wire place in Texas they'll use in Africa, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.800 when you're aiming at the animal, it shows you what 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.600 it costs the bottom of your scope. That guy could 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.800 actually you could just set it straight to my uh 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.240 iPad or whatever and then they can just like adjust 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:58.640 the prices your radioism. It probably wouldn't work for their 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.840 advantage though, for the guides and people trying to make 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.080 the money, because I feel like they're always like, yeah, 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.080 that one's so much, this one's a little bit more, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:06.879 and he's like, no, I can't afford that one, and 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.400 then the guy says, well, just look at him through 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:15.840 the scope, you know you look, Oh yeah, he looks good. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.040 Now I feel like if that price tag was blinking 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:23.159 right there, he'd be like, that's yeah, that's probably a 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:29.320 good point. So um. But yeah, I was watching the 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.359 guy I've always admired. There's a there's a guy, want 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.600 to name his name, I've always admired him, and I 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.719 was watching him hunting in New Zealand. He's just sitting there. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.280 It's just like giants stag after giants stag after giant stag. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.479 I'm like, this dude's hunting like a penned up spot. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.600 But there is this guy knowing anchors who was just 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:55.200 in New Zealand hunting tar and he killed a bowl 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.280 that scored in the three nineties wet score and his 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.840 he said his guide was shocked that they found it. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.280 Was it private land nobly that I don't know, but 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:13.359 it wasn't in defense. Well, yeah, I call him escaped convicts. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:19.000 it's an escaped convict because depending on where he's tar hunting. Uh, yeah, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.639 you just aren't gonna find him that big. They just 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.160 don't grow that big in the wild. I mean, it's 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.840 not I would say, like the real world record is 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.680 probably in the three thirties. Yeah, that's how big. That's 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.840 how big he'd get on a free range place. Yeah, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.359 I mean, and that's if they were only well managed. 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.400 I mean maybe they could get a little bigger. But yeah, 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.600 it's an escaped so it's a supplemental feed that makes 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.120 him a lot bigger. Just let him get spent. It's 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:51.240 the same thing as dear anything. It's breeding feed combination. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.480 Um yeah, I mean, now there's like like when they 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.440 breed him up, you could have a first year's stag, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.479 like after you know, Spike in the second year, two 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.760 year old that scores four hundred. Oh yeah, like these 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.919 ones that they grow, Yeah, apparently they just grew like 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.199 a new world record. I don't even know what that 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:14.280 means really, but and it was I can't even remember 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.959 the numbers, but it's over seven. But no one's going 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.879 to accept like a trophy type place. No one's going 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:24.119 to accept the score, right. Yeah, they have like a 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.640 special category for fenced animals. But that's why with them 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.520 raising so many true wild my my thought is your 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.879 record should be public land only, and then you know 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.399 there's gonna be the occasional dude that shoots one that 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.399 just escaped, and those guys know, they just be like, well, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.520 this isn't a wild year, and so you know, but 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.920 you can tell like a real big most stags that 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.879 are wild, they're big twelve or fourteen pointers. But it's 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:52.400 funny because you could be on one of these high 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:57.440 fenced deals and you'll see these, you know, giant four stags. 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.439 But then there will be some wild ones that they 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.640 just can kill out there. So yeah, and you see 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.200 him and there they could be like good wild ones 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.719 and they see death all the time. Those are probably 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.960 the hardest to kill animal you can find it. I 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.359 had a friend that's like this. He had this wild 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.119 one jump into his his little operation there or I 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.240 don't know, maybe he's born in there, who knows. And 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.480 I mean it's been in there for like five years 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.520 and they couldn't kill it. It's crazy, I mean because 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.720 he just live in the in the thick bush and 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.920 it's just seen every animal on the place gets slaughtered. 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.400 So he's like, yeah, if he's like, go in there 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.720 and shoot it for me because it's killing my big stags. 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.719 I was like, oh, yeah, it should be no problem. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.240 It took me five days. It's fun to find it. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:45.400 It's crazy. I was like, huh, okay, but that's I mean, 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.159 I'm not you know, obviously I don't hunt high fence stuff, 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.320 but I went in there to go take care of 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.440 the problem for a guy, and thoughts to myself, what's 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.480