Speaker 1: Hey, everyone is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording in Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Doug during from Madison. Cas No, are
Speaker 1: you from Madison or Casanova. I'm from Casanova, but I
Speaker 1: live in Madison. Yeah, Dugs from Casanova, which is like
Speaker 1: the redneck step child in Madison. Right, that's pretty accurate.
Speaker 1: Did you grow up? Did you grow up hating people
Speaker 1: from Madison because you were from Casanova. I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time here. I used to come down here,
Speaker 1: like when I was in high school and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dougs farm Dugs from a farm family and egg family.
Speaker 1: His dad. I've haunted on Dougs a handful of times.
Speaker 1: And I spent more time in Wisconsin that doing my
Speaker 1: home state now. And uh, Doug's dad was a rural
Speaker 1: mail carrier, right. Um. Funny story about Dug's dad. He
Speaker 1: some one time someone made it some calls trying to
Speaker 1: accuse Dug's dad of being a communist because he had
Speaker 1: delivered some magazines called Red Book pretty sample of Red
Speaker 1: Book magazine. Yeah, which for so they don't know, they
Speaker 1: thought he spread communist propic. Well, that and some other
Speaker 1: things that had gone on, you know, politically in the area.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and if you don't know, Red Book magazine
Speaker 1: is a woman's magazine, so I expected something like this
Speaker 1: red Book. Here with Remy Warren, we're mainly talking with
Speaker 1: Remy Um. Also here with Honest, we tell us a
Speaker 1: little known fact about y Honest, you tell us right
Speaker 1: now he has poison IVY on his packer. We were
Speaker 1: just got back from turkey hunting in California, and where
Speaker 1: we were hunting, the is it predominant or prominent? If
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the blank undergrowth predominant about pervading
Speaker 1: the pervading undergrowth, It's like a lot of places you
Speaker 1: go and you'd be like, oh, you know, oh ship,
Speaker 1: there's some poison oat or poison ivy. Um this place,
Speaker 1: it was just everything that wasn't a tree was poison oak.
Speaker 1: There was like trees, grass, poison. It was the prevailing, predominant, prominent, dominant.
Speaker 1: You know you didn't have so yeah, Yanni made himself
Speaker 1: a little like a no, I don't know, we didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, I've gotten that stuff so bad in the past.
Speaker 1: I've gotten that stuff so bad that I had to
Speaker 1: go to the emergency room for having bad fevers because
Speaker 1: we were burning at one time. They we were clearing
Speaker 1: a lot in Indiana and burned a bunch of that
Speaker 1: stuff and I had breathed it in and it wasn't
Speaker 1: hours later and I guess got very bad fever and
Speaker 1: um and since then, I've always had a problem with it.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing about this time is initial exposure
Speaker 1: was eight days ago and I just got my first
Speaker 1: blister this morning. But yeah, he's had it on his
Speaker 1: tally whackers since. Maybe it just sympathetic sympathetic symptoms. Right,
Speaker 1: you're just feeling for him a little bit, so you're like,
Speaker 1: look right here, and our crew were about they got it,
Speaker 1: and no, everybody's saying they did not get it. No,
Speaker 1: because you now have a spot, well count that as
Speaker 1: having it. Okay, Well no, I thought Mike said nothing
Speaker 1: on his forms. He's said a picture. It's pretty good
Speaker 1: on his forearms. I hate that stuff. Yeah, it's wicked.
Speaker 1: I made it about four or five days, really like
Speaker 1: strong mentally, and I've just been holding off and not
Speaker 1: scratching at all. And at three o'clock this morning, I
Speaker 1: just woke up and I even put band aids over
Speaker 1: like the worst one, so that I couldn't scratch while
Speaker 1: I was asleep, and I woke up like ripping the
Speaker 1: band aids off, unconscious because you want to go. Before
Speaker 1: I actually woke up, I was already on them all, dude.
Speaker 1: The last time I had it bad was I told
Speaker 1: his story A hunter times by skinned a wild pig
Speaker 1: that had been rolling in it, and it was just immediate.
Speaker 1: Was like the next day, I just had sleeves of
Speaker 1: it my waistline. I can see how I tucked my
Speaker 1: shirt in and like actually like finger lines where I
Speaker 1: had like tucked my wool undershirt in, like finger lines
Speaker 1: running down my abdomen. Had it on my scroll, had
Speaker 1: it on my tally. Whacker had it just everywhere, just
Speaker 1: just awful. And then we went from we went to
Speaker 1: hunt in Montana after that, and it's like blow zero,
Speaker 1: so you're laying in your sleeping bag just so you
Speaker 1: know it's cold, but you it's just like I hate
Speaker 1: that stuff, man. That seems like the worst. But Yani's
Speaker 1: got it pretty good now. And we were taking every precaution,
Speaker 1: like we'd hunt and you couldn't not You couldn't. You
Speaker 1: didn't even have to not hunt. The only way to
Speaker 1: avoid me to not hunt. So we hunted turkeys quite successfully,
Speaker 1: and we'd come back and just take off your pants
Speaker 1: and boots, wash your clothes. Anytime I touched my boots,
Speaker 1: I would tie my boots in the morning, scrub the
Speaker 1: piss out of my hands. When I took my boots
Speaker 1: off at night, scrubbed the piss out of my hands.
Speaker 1: I kept two or three layers out of all times.
Speaker 1: M Um, I feel like I still feel like I
Speaker 1: defeated it, but it could come out fourteen days later. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was I was blacktail hunting down there, and
Speaker 1: I did the same, you know, just camping though. So
Speaker 1: I just had a pair of gloves that I always
Speaker 1: wore anytime I was touching any of my clothes or anything.
Speaker 1: It was like put the leathern gloves on. But then
Speaker 1: I shot some mountain quail with my bow and then
Speaker 1: see the arrow laying over there. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's good because I thought, next time I draw the
Speaker 1: arrow back to touching my face. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was an expensive expensive birds to shoot at. Because
Speaker 1: I like, no, I'm not picking this man, I think
Speaker 1: the next time I do it. I was thinking about, uh,
Speaker 1: every time I've hunted there every time I hunted in California,
Speaker 1: I've gotten them in this area, you know. Um, I
Speaker 1: was thinking about trying to use bringing a shipload of
Speaker 1: latex gloves. Yeah, I think that would work. Just all
Speaker 1: day long, man, have like a ziplock baggy and just
Speaker 1: all day long, like putting latex gloves on and just
Speaker 1: periodically taking the things off, putting said latex cloves on,
Speaker 1: taking them off. It would probably work because it's always
Speaker 1: on your your hand, Like right now, I can feel
Speaker 1: some it hasn't done anything, and it usually it does.
Speaker 1: I can feel it on my face, but I got
Speaker 1: some where it pops up with your skins thin, so
Speaker 1: like my eye socket. I can feel it right here
Speaker 1: for sure. I bring those, uh like those. I don't
Speaker 1: alcohol wipes too. I think that that helps. Like they
Speaker 1: say they say ice apropyl alcohol cut that oil. When
Speaker 1: you get poison oak. What's happening? And this is something
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, Doug um my understanding right now.
Speaker 1: And I want to look at so much to look
Speaker 1: this up. I was just doing that. Is it poison
Speaker 1: oak and poison ivy? There's no difference. Are poison ivy
Speaker 1: and poison oak the same thing I'm on answers dot Com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is the is the answer poison ivy toxic condra radicans
Speaker 1: and poison oak toxicondra. Oh diverse. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was a unbroken cline of integrades across the species, right.
Speaker 1: I really like that. When you said that earlier, I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, he really knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I have this unbroken cline of integrades.
Speaker 1: You can picture what that means, right. It would be
Speaker 1: like you got some bird. It's everywhere, but like you
Speaker 1: look at one in Californi turkey is a good example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for instance, the wild turkey, the osciola turkey in the
Speaker 1: eastern there's no genetic barrier, like like an ostiold turkey
Speaker 1: is is what is known as a subspecies of the
Speaker 1: wild turkey in the Florida Peninsula. What what you can't
Speaker 1: see if it? Doug's giving this face like this like
Speaker 1: oh here we go face. I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: a conversation that Addison I had earlier about I want
Speaker 1: to I want to hear about dougs uh purple suburban.
Speaker 1: But first let me tell you about Dougs purple suburban
Speaker 1: it was oh sorry, no, please please only it's only
Speaker 1: my podcast, all right. So, Unbroken Client of Integrates, Eastern
Speaker 1: turkeys look different than Ostiola turkeys, but there's no gap,
Speaker 1: there's no like gap where one ends and the other begins.
Speaker 1: The same thing with mule deer and Columbia blacktails. According
Speaker 1: to Boone and Crockett, it's I five West five, he's
Speaker 1: a black tail, East I five he's a mule. Here.
Speaker 1: You could go for me the blacktail to a muleder
Speaker 1: just by crossing the highway. Unbroken Client of Integrates, they
Speaker 1: look different, all right, what we're saying, No, Well, it's
Speaker 1: they're they're not the same, but they are related, is
Speaker 1: that right? All right? And it's the reason that that
Speaker 1: is theres the same. Yeah, but then the we'd have
Speaker 1: to get a taxonomist to talk about this, but they
Speaker 1: aren't there, you know, same uh genus, different SPECIs different family,
Speaker 1: different family. Yeah, Jennifer, so I think you know what
Speaker 1: Yanni's wife, Yes, his wife's a botanist. What she said,
Speaker 1: you have different family, the two of them, and then
Speaker 1: poison Sumac is the whole another one. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: know that always thought or have you pronounced that the
Speaker 1: same oil. Good I stand corrected. No, No, he's gonna
Speaker 1: scien scrolls wrong now and I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: you a right. Steve's right well, and that they're they're
Speaker 1: they're related. All right, everybody's right, Rammy, you're just off
Speaker 1: the plane from New Zealand. Um, all right, I want
Speaker 1: to give because I want to talk about New Zealand
Speaker 1: from it, all right, but I want to bring but
Speaker 1: I want to like bring list I want to talk
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna address listeners from it. You correct me
Speaker 1: when i'm done, You correct me where I'm wrong. Alright,
Speaker 1: New Zealand has New Zealand's big ass island, the Pacific.
Speaker 1: It's like a continent ekind of island giant. It's actually
Speaker 1: too primary islands California. So the only native mammal that
Speaker 1: New Zealand had were some bats pre arrival of humans.
Speaker 1: The first team is the goal. There were the mayority, right,
Speaker 1: how did that? They were not the first teams, but
Speaker 1: they were the most successful Polynesians. Yeah, I mean apparently
Speaker 1: to marry they took over the island, and then they
Speaker 1: because there wasn't a lot of food, so then eventually
Speaker 1: they used the original native people as food source. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were big in the cannibalism, like keep putting people
Speaker 1: out on islands and stuff. Yeah, but they was because
Speaker 1: they essentially extinct, extinct their food source, which was a
Speaker 1: moa giant. Yeah, that's what I want to get to.
Speaker 1: So New Zealand had no mammals except for some bats
Speaker 1: and um. But they it was like they had birds
Speaker 1: that filled all the all the niches or niches if
Speaker 1: you're if you want to like you know more what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. They had birds that filled all like
Speaker 1: the mammal niches, like giant grazers four five hundred pound birds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then top predator was a the hast eagle, which
Speaker 1: eight five pound birds. So that's like that is a
Speaker 1: giant eagle. That's what my kids would call it. Bad mobile.
Speaker 1: Natural History Museum. You have been there in uh it
Speaker 1: puts the main big town the bottom of the North Island, Auckland.
Speaker 1: Auckland is the capital, right, Yeah, I think it's the
Speaker 1: natural history museum. We went there. They have a recreation
Speaker 1: of a cave and it's like it's a hole in
Speaker 1: the ground right below the ground level where one of
Speaker 1: those eagles had caught the Moa and then crashed into
Speaker 1: there and the bones were like on top of each
Speaker 1: so they had it kind of recreated in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: giant all right, So New Zealand the like, there's a
Speaker 1: problem with islands where when people colonize islands, they tend
Speaker 1: to eradicate, you know, all the wildlife, like it happened
Speaker 1: in the Hawaii Islands. Like Polynesians when they arrived in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: what many many many extinctions and one problem they show
Speaker 1: up with rats, you know, yeah, to show up with rats.
Speaker 1: People tend to show up places with pigs cause all
Speaker 1: manner problems. So one the like the polony or like
Speaker 1: a people of Polynesian destentihal up in New Zealand and
Speaker 1: and like everything it just crashed, like the place crashed
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, they just ecological ran out of food
Speaker 1: and all those big birds are very vulnerable to over
Speaker 1: hunting later, you know, the bridge show up. And I
Speaker 1: was just reading about this the r day the Brits.
Speaker 1: The British had these committees you know how like nowadays
Speaker 1: you belong to a conservation organization, like I'm a member
Speaker 1: of a handful of conservation organizations, and the goal of
Speaker 1: a conservation organization would be that you conserve generally like
Speaker 1: you're conserving native wildlife. Pheasants Forever is a conservation organization
Speaker 1: that tries to conserve and introduced bird, the pheasant. You know,
Speaker 1: pheasants aren't from here. There from Asia. When the British
Speaker 1: were in New Zealand, they had these things called acclimatization organizations.
Speaker 1: It's like it's an organization dedicated to trying to make
Speaker 1: New Zealand seemed familiar to Europe. Just yeah, everybody wants
Speaker 1: to feel like they're at home. Was to bring in
Speaker 1: they were. They were organizations based around bringing in an
Speaker 1: introducing wild plafe and plants and other things. There's the
Speaker 1: worst plant, there's gorse. It's like, let's bring a plant
Speaker 1: that every time you walk past it at pokes you
Speaker 1: and then causes rashes. Was it intentionally brought in? I
Speaker 1: think so, just another I mean I don't know for
Speaker 1: a fact, but it could have been. Could have just
Speaker 1: been a byproduct of bringing in some other animals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just a ton of plants like that that have
Speaker 1: no Yeah, we like spotted nap weed here, I mean
Speaker 1: we have tons of stuff here. It was accidentally that
Speaker 1: rolled in on wheat seats, you know, thistles, all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff. So in New Zealand they introduced everything. A
Speaker 1: lot of things stuck. And now in New Zealand you
Speaker 1: go hunting there and you're not hunting um native wildlife,
Speaker 1: but it in New Zealand and environmentalist. It's someone who
Speaker 1: wants to kill all the wildlife pretty much because there's
Speaker 1: a big movement to particularly with predators because they have
Speaker 1: a lot of small No, they don't have any big predators.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of small predators. Weasels, skunks, the um,
Speaker 1: the omnivorous no skunks, possum, but stots, skunks, they're stouts.
Speaker 1: There's which is the feral cats, weasels, ferrets, um, stouts
Speaker 1: and then possums but they aren't opossums. They're red possum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're in Australian. It's used the possums were actually brought
Speaker 1: over for It's like they put it in with the wool.
Speaker 1: They mix it with the wool, which is so when
Speaker 1: you shoot a possum you can actually pluck them they're
Speaker 1: still warm. Yeah, so you mix it with sheep wool
Speaker 1: and it's like gives it this cashmere field super super softer,
Speaker 1: pretty cool pelts. So they did that and they got
Speaker 1: a big proplem rats too, Yeah, rabbits hairs, those are
Speaker 1: the worst. New Zealand's got this big struggle where they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be a goal if you ask,
Speaker 1: if you ask like a conservationist or an environmentalist of
Speaker 1: some sort in New Zealand, it would be a gold.
Speaker 1: You'd you'd clear the island of all non natives and
Speaker 1: somehow start rehabilitating all the law species, many of which
Speaker 1: are gone forever, like you won't get them back. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of endangered birds there and stuff, and hunting
Speaker 1: there's weird because on one hand, the government's out gun
Speaker 1: and animals from helicopters and poisoning with ten eighties cereal poison.
Speaker 1: You've got kind of everyone's like, oh, there's no no predators,
Speaker 1: no limits, no seasons, but you've got government guys shooting
Speaker 1: them from helicopters, people poisoning areas like and everybody hunting
Speaker 1: all the time. No close season. Yeah, there's no closed seasons,
Speaker 1: no bag limits. Your competition isn't so much other hunters,
Speaker 1: it's it's government sharp shooters shoot out a helicopter it's
Speaker 1: just a wild place to hunt. I you know, I've
Speaker 1: I had a great time. If if viewers of the
Speaker 1: show Meat Eatered, might you know no Remy from various
Speaker 1: things he's involved in. But um, we did four episodes,
Speaker 1: very well received episodes of media that we shot in
Speaker 1: New Zealand, Hunt with Remy and um what what you spent?
Speaker 1: What time there? Uh about three months like March, April, May,
Speaker 1: a little bit in June. Yeah, you know what, I know,
Speaker 1: I got a buddy and anchorage. One thing about New Zealand.
Speaker 1: When you see, when you like, if you see like
Speaker 1: a TV host type personality, guy go over New Zealand,
Speaker 1: he shoots a giant stag. Always it's a pend up animals.
Speaker 1: So what you do is they raped? But what except
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about a dude. I know. So
Speaker 1: they raised stags like like red deer. They raised them
Speaker 1: in order to for many things meat, but also to
Speaker 1: harvest de velovet for afrodesiac markets in Asia well and
Speaker 1: joint medicine. There's a lot of it. Oh so it's
Speaker 1: not afrodjac it's like human performance stuff. Oh that with
Speaker 1: the velvet s for a lot of time, you know,
Speaker 1: what okah, So I mean, I'm sure it is afrodjiac stuff,
Speaker 1: but they use I guess they used recently, we've been
Speaker 1: asked to collect the tails. I guess there's a gland
Speaker 1: in the tail that they use, like dried up something
Speaker 1: like that on like while they're running this gland so
Speaker 1: they yeah, but the yeah, you can make like uh,
Speaker 1: there's something that's good for your joints. So they raise
Speaker 1: deer like it's profitable. The velvet's valuable enough where you
Speaker 1: can raise dear just to pull velvet and sell it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when to want to want a stag gets I'm
Speaker 1: still paranoid about ticks. I'm still like checking my head
Speaker 1: for tis places turkey as my ticks on. That's good.
Speaker 1: So what if stag gets to be like as big
Speaker 1: as he's gonna get. Right, Yeah, they'll sell it to
Speaker 1: a guy who runs hunts. They'll put in a truck
Speaker 1: and drive it over and turn it loosen his little
Speaker 1: penned area. Then the dood will come out and he'll
Speaker 1: be like. They'll be like, well, how much do you
Speaker 1: want to spend and what's the cost did you want
Speaker 1: to shoot fou about twelve thousand somewhere around there and
Speaker 1: they'll charge you based on the you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to spend ten or twelve, and they'll show
Speaker 1: you which one to shoot. I have an idea for
Speaker 1: New Zealand. I brought us up with you before. They
Speaker 1: have like range finding binoculars. I want to make a
Speaker 1: rifle scope. This will be good for Texas, New Zealand.
Speaker 1: A bar code reading rifle scope. Where as you're aiming
Speaker 1: at the animal, like when you're a high when you're hunting,
Speaker 1: like a high wire place in Texas they'll use in Africa,
Speaker 1: when you're aiming at the animal, it shows you what
Speaker 1: it costs the bottom of your scope. That guy could
Speaker 1: actually you could just set it straight to my uh
Speaker 1: iPad or whatever and then they can just like adjust
Speaker 1: the prices your radioism. It probably wouldn't work for their
Speaker 1: advantage though, for the guides and people trying to make
Speaker 1: the money, because I feel like they're always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that one's so much, this one's a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I can't afford that one, and
Speaker 1: then the guy says, well, just look at him through
Speaker 1: the scope, you know you look, Oh yeah, he looks good.
Speaker 1: Now I feel like if that price tag was blinking
Speaker 1: right there, he'd be like, that's yeah, that's probably a
Speaker 1: good point. So um. But yeah, I was watching the
Speaker 1: guy I've always admired. There's a there's a guy, want
Speaker 1: to name his name, I've always admired him, and I
Speaker 1: was watching him hunting in New Zealand. He's just sitting there.
Speaker 1: It's just like giants stag after giants stag after giant stag.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this dude's hunting like a penned up spot.
Speaker 1: But there is this guy knowing anchors who was just
Speaker 1: in New Zealand hunting tar and he killed a bowl
Speaker 1: that scored in the three nineties wet score and his
Speaker 1: he said his guide was shocked that they found it.
Speaker 1: Was it private land nobly that I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't in defense. Well, yeah, I call him escaped convicts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an escaped convict because depending on where he's tar hunting. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just aren't gonna find him that big. They just
Speaker 1: don't grow that big in the wild. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not I would say, like the real world record is
Speaker 1: probably in the three thirties. Yeah, that's how big. That's
Speaker 1: how big he'd get on a free range place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's if they were only well managed.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe they could get a little bigger. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an escaped so it's a supplemental feed that makes
Speaker 1: him a lot bigger. Just let him get spent. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing as dear anything. It's breeding feed combination.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean, now there's like like when they
Speaker 1: breed him up, you could have a first year's stag,
Speaker 1: like after you know, Spike in the second year, two
Speaker 1: year old that scores four hundred. Oh yeah, like these
Speaker 1: ones that they grow, Yeah, apparently they just grew like
Speaker 1: a new world record. I don't even know what that
Speaker 1: means really, but and it was I can't even remember
Speaker 1: the numbers, but it's over seven. But no one's going
Speaker 1: to accept like a trophy type place. No one's going
Speaker 1: to accept the score, right. Yeah, they have like a
Speaker 1: special category for fenced animals. But that's why with them
Speaker 1: raising so many true wild my my thought is your
Speaker 1: record should be public land only, and then you know
Speaker 1: there's gonna be the occasional dude that shoots one that
Speaker 1: just escaped, and those guys know, they just be like, well,
Speaker 1: this isn't a wild year, and so you know, but
Speaker 1: you can tell like a real big most stags that
Speaker 1: are wild, they're big twelve or fourteen pointers. But it's
Speaker 1: funny because you could be on one of these high
Speaker 1: fenced deals and you'll see these, you know, giant four stags.
Speaker 1: But then there will be some wild ones that they
Speaker 1: just can kill out there. So yeah, and you see
Speaker 1: him and there they could be like good wild ones
Speaker 1: and they see death all the time. Those are probably
Speaker 1: the hardest to kill animal you can find it. I
Speaker 1: had a friend that's like this. He had this wild
Speaker 1: one jump into his his little operation there or I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he's born in there, who knows. And
Speaker 1: I mean it's been in there for like five years
Speaker 1: and they couldn't kill it. It's crazy, I mean because
Speaker 1: he just live in the in the thick bush and
Speaker 1: it's just seen every animal on the place gets slaughtered.
Speaker 1: So he's like, yeah, if he's like, go in there
Speaker 1: and shoot it for me because it's killing my big stags.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, it should be no problem.
Speaker 1: It took me five days. It's fun to find it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I was like, huh, okay, but that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, obviously I don't hunt high fence stuff,
Speaker 1: but I went in there to go take care of
Speaker 1: the problem for a guy, and thoughts to myself, what's
Speaker 1: harder going on public land where there's thirty stags per
Speaker 1: square miles on this one one stag, you know twenty
Speaker 1: I don't even know how big the place it was,
Speaker 1: you know, thousand acres and one stag. Or go on
Speaker 1: the wild property there's twenty stags per thousand acres. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, that took a lot long, and it
Speaker 1: was frustrating because you're like, this should be easy, this
Speaker 1: is stupid. The most exciting thing I did this I
Speaker 1: know something you like the most in New Zealand is
Speaker 1: um you can do that, right. There's plenty of red
Speaker 1: deer hunt, but there's also there's a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: animals just living out in the Oh. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: mean for me, if I'm going if I'm going to
Speaker 1: hunt for myself, I'm gonna go tar hunting. That's it's
Speaker 1: just the country. It's like, okay, I can go on
Speaker 1: doll sheep type hunt, mountain goat type hunt, whatever, just
Speaker 1: on the weekends for fun every week in the country
Speaker 1: is really what it's all. Oh yeah, open stuff. We
Speaker 1: just like you just like drive up these areas and
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like what you're willing to hike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we were in and Shammy. We went through
Speaker 1: private land to access we were hunting public land. I
Speaker 1: think you know the road, well, the road goes through
Speaker 1: the road was like an easymant. Yeah, anybody can drive
Speaker 1: that road. Yeah, we just wasn't even the road really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just kind of drove up there basically like you're
Speaker 1: driving on gravel moraines and stuff up well. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: the rivers it's just like you know, Montana rivers public
Speaker 1: between the high water marks. So that's why we drive
Speaker 1: up the river because so yeah, we were there. I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you where it is because you'd
Speaker 1: be screwing Rammy over. But we went into a place
Speaker 1: to hunt and we drove did we drive twenty miles
Speaker 1: upper like just driving up river like very careful. You
Speaker 1: can kind of see where vehicles will go. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of gravel just like askars and moraines, gravel bars.
Speaker 1: You kind of see it now and then you'll see
Speaker 1: like a route sometimes you can't find the route, you
Speaker 1: just pick your way up this river and be just
Speaker 1: like driving up a big braided gravel stream channel. And
Speaker 1: it was those kind of arbitrary where we stop. It
Speaker 1: was like you couldn't really go, Well, there's a point
Speaker 1: where walking is a lot faster, but you want to
Speaker 1: get as far as you can because we had obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of gear camera equipments, like you might as
Speaker 1: well drive up as far as we can and then
Speaker 1: walk from there. Yes, we got where we couldn't go
Speaker 1: any further, and then it's not far up there. Everything
Speaker 1: it just turns into glaciers. Yeah, but you hike from
Speaker 1: there and you're glassing from the valley floor and you're
Speaker 1: glassing up and seeing shammy, which was rare where we
Speaker 1: were at. That's like my little secrets and you're seeing
Speaker 1: tar but it'd be like you're seeing them, but you're
Speaker 1: seeing them, and it's it's a day investment to go
Speaker 1: even begin to try to find one. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: don't even need a hunting license, No, why you kind
Speaker 1: of do what you need. Well, it's just this thing.
Speaker 1: You don't buy it, but you fill it out online.
Speaker 1: So it's it's they call it a hunting Licen's nothing
Speaker 1: we would think of that. There's no non resident you
Speaker 1: have to have this special permit that says, oh I
Speaker 1: can be in this area. Is free. Yes, it's free
Speaker 1: just online. I know some of that stuff might change
Speaker 1: the future, but as it is right now, you just
Speaker 1: boom pop online. It's interesting because they get you for
Speaker 1: the fishing tag. Well yeah, fishing you gotta pay for.
Speaker 1: And duck shooting. You have to have a hunting license
Speaker 1: for aut geese because they deregulated geese. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: got a goose with a rifler. Oh yeah, which isn't weird,
Speaker 1: very weird feel Yeah, the last time I was up
Speaker 1: that so I went up. I go up that canyon
Speaker 1: quite a bit just because it's close to where I'm at.
Speaker 1: And I got a double on geese as my rifles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta. I gotta buddy. And he's like a crack
Speaker 1: commando of a hunter. He's a guy, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a dull sheet guy. He just rounded up a couple
Speaker 1: of friends and they went to New Zealand just all
Speaker 1: on their own. Yeah, he just he just did a
Speaker 1: bunch of research, talked to everybody. Can think of to
Speaker 1: talk to and just like hunted public land. One of
Speaker 1: them got a stag. Everybody got tar. I sent him
Speaker 1: into my tar spot. Yeah you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he uh said, Actually he got into He
Speaker 1: had a good hunt up the place that I always go.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like, you know, just like anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'd rather hunt the same place five times in a
Speaker 1: new place every time because you just get to learn
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of it. And uh, they saw
Speaker 1: some He was telling me about the stag they saw
Speaker 1: in there. I was like, why didn't you shoot it? Man?
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I don't know. It just didn't seem
Speaker 1: big enough. And I went in. I went back in
Speaker 1: there right after they left looking for it. I never
Speaker 1: found it. Yeah yeah, yeah, New Zealand trip man. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I liked it, but it was hard
Speaker 1: for me because there's no um. The animals are missing
Speaker 1: their sort of context. They're sort of historical context. But
Speaker 1: maybe it's because around the culture so much. Because for me,
Speaker 1: I go there and you know, I like and I
Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from, Like I've seen the videos
Speaker 1: and heard the stories from the old timers and the
Speaker 1: animals in New Zealand have a very important role in
Speaker 1: the culture and the culture of hunting because well, obviously, okay,
Speaker 1: they're non native, but how many non natives do we
Speaker 1: enjoy here brown trout and pheasants and you know, all
Speaker 1: kinds of things, and so over there the culture of
Speaker 1: hunting is is just different. You gotta like look at
Speaker 1: it through the lens of a native born Kiwi hunter
Speaker 1: where they were not essentially that one who hunts Kiwi's correct.
Speaker 1: Essentially it is based on coaling animals where the animals
Speaker 1: are released, and then they started to overpopulate, correct, And
Speaker 1: so hunting was they would go out and they would
Speaker 1: shoot for meat and then and control the numbers. And
Speaker 1: then it became a huge meat market thing where they
Speaker 1: would go and shoot the animals and sell them. And
Speaker 1: then you got into this era you guys feed like
Speaker 1: you'll go to a guy that owns dogs, he'll just
Speaker 1: have like a little closet. They'll just shoot animals. That's
Speaker 1: why you feed your animals with chunks and meat off.
Speaker 1: It's just like imagine an inexhaustible supply of meat that
Speaker 1: was always available to you, you never had to worry about.
Speaker 1: And so you go there and like venison is so
Speaker 1: accepted there whereas in America it's like this it's a
Speaker 1: hip thing or a new thing or something hunter's eat.
Speaker 1: Now everybody eats venis in there. That's that's meat. That's
Speaker 1: what you eat because it's everywhere. You don't have to
Speaker 1: go out and like everybody knows somebody that can go
Speaker 1: shoot meat. You know, you're you raise a point that
Speaker 1: I've actually thought of because I moulled this over my
Speaker 1: head all the time when you bring it, when you
Speaker 1: mentioned pheasant brown show, like for instance, I was I
Speaker 1: was brought up in Lake Michigan, on Lake Michigan, and
Speaker 1: across the lake we're in Wisconsine. Now it's going up
Speaker 1: in Michigan on Lake Michigan, and we grew up fishing
Speaker 1: steel ed co ho king salmon. Okay. Now a guy
Speaker 1: might have come out from California, Alaska, it said to meat,
Speaker 1: but dude, these are just introduced. But to me, it
Speaker 1: was like just an ingrained part of culture and it
Speaker 1: want to be in the I knew, like academically it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not from here, but they're from here because they've
Speaker 1: always like from my perspective, they were just here you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, sure, I accept that they're non native,
Speaker 1: and you think about like people you might hunt peasants
Speaker 1: in some place, your grandpa hunted peasants. It winds up
Speaker 1: being so. But but that's what I'm saying. Like for
Speaker 1: a stumbling block for me, going to New Zealand was
Speaker 1: like like, let me just put this way. If I go,
Speaker 1: let'say go up to hunt cariboo. Okay, I'm very interested
Speaker 1: in sort of the ecological history of caribou traditional use
Speaker 1: patterns among indigenous hunters. Right, the way the animal, like
Speaker 1: the way it just tied into things about how the
Speaker 1: first Americans whoever crossed the barn Land Bridge were probably
Speaker 1: carib hunters, right, I get. I find pleasure in that
Speaker 1: it makes things like relatable to me in in a
Speaker 1: deep sense. To go to New Zealand from an outside perspective,
Speaker 1: I just felt like, yeah, but you just let all
Speaker 1: this stuff go. Yeah, but it felt like it was yesterday,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not. I mean, there's been you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I drew a uh and I could
Speaker 1: be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure, well no,
Speaker 1: actually yet. Red red Deer in New Zealand have been
Speaker 1: there longer than elk have been in the state of Nevada.
Speaker 1: So you draw this coveted Nevada elk tag and you're like, whoo,
Speaker 1: who I just shot a big elk in Nevada and
Speaker 1: you don't even think twice about it. Yet you go
Speaker 1: to New Zealand and the deer have been there twice
Speaker 1: as long. That's right, folks. The media podcast brought to
Speaker 1: you by the New Zealand Chamber of Commerce. So you
Speaker 1: raise a valid point, dude, you raise a valid point.
Speaker 1: It's just when you start talking. If you if you
Speaker 1: talk to people that grew up in that culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so much history of the people there in that
Speaker 1: hunting and the animals and and what it means to
Speaker 1: them that you respect. You're like, okay, you grew up
Speaker 1: doing this. And they have the stories of back when
Speaker 1: they were shooting them, putting them on helicopters and taking
Speaker 1: them out overloaded, and like guys going into Fiordland and
Speaker 1: these wild wild places trying to hunt elk and other things.
Speaker 1: There's actually moose released there. It's yeah, now I don't
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where people keep seeing moose
Speaker 1: tracks every once in a while, But there really are
Speaker 1: probably no moose lass. I don't know if there's. There's
Speaker 1: some pretty good hunters and imagine being able to hunt
Speaker 1: all the time and mountainous, rough terrain and not having
Speaker 1: limits whatever. I mean, these guys are probably some of
Speaker 1: the best hunters in the world, to be honest. That dude,
Speaker 1: that dude that we went pig hunt with, Garen, he's
Speaker 1: been around the block. Oh yeah, And I mean the
Speaker 1: guy has killed thousands and thousands of animals and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that was some of the sketches ground I've ever hund
Speaker 1: a big game. Oh it's it's crazy. I went to
Speaker 1: a place I was last year, and I mean I
Speaker 1: had to cross these glaciers and everything. It's like, where
Speaker 1: else can you go do that besides maybe the Himalayas
Speaker 1: and a few places in Alaska and go hunt hunt
Speaker 1: species that can't be hunted anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1: Really him Lanta at least? All right, Wins, Let's say
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Speaker 1: did you do anything to say for the future wait,
Speaker 1: you're saying stock playing meat in the freezer isn't good enough.
Speaker 1: It depends on you gotta watch the prices. You gotta
Speaker 1: wrap it right so it's still sailable later because I
Speaker 1: have a forced investment thing now, like you you heard
Speaker 1: of a step like a tax thing. Ever, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do my taxes they make you like save some money,
Speaker 1: so I finally have like money. It's only because it's
Speaker 1: a gun to my head. They're like, basically like, you
Speaker 1: can either save it or give it to us. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I le'll save it. You're basically deferring pay tax, which
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Old three kids, Steve, I think
Speaker 1: probably saving it would be a good idea. Now you got,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're saved. For the bicycles, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm buying a new bicycle every two weeks. Now.
Speaker 1: We just bought the new strider bike. You know, I
Speaker 1: was telling you My three and a half year old
Speaker 1: gets a new strider bike, like six weeks ago. We're
Speaker 1: striding along. Everything's going great, she can coast it well.
Speaker 1: She just grabs a pedal bike from her daycare because
Speaker 1: she wouldn't leave it alone. So the daycare owner was
Speaker 1: just like, look, just take this thing home so I'll
Speaker 1: beat up and rusty. She gets home, put her feet
Speaker 1: on it, starts pelling it. Now that thing is so
Speaker 1: beat up that she's like, I need a bigger one.
Speaker 1: Look at the bike. That girl's guy so never ends,
Speaker 1: and you can't really deny them because it's like exercise,
Speaker 1: like you'd be like, no, I'm not buying you a blank.
Speaker 1: Oh and you know what, there's a housekeeping dude. Bat
Speaker 1: we're recording a hotel and the housekeeping guys banging out here. Duke,
Speaker 1: you talk to those guys. Sorry, No, I was just
Speaker 1: saying that the the chess Shire cat grant on her
Speaker 1: face and she's riding that by I got buyer as
Speaker 1: many she could ever want. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We had a strider and um my kids smoked the
Speaker 1: bearings out of it. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: New Zealand anymore cause I want to talk about something different.
Speaker 1: But anyone have any concluding thoughts. Concluding thoughts, It was
Speaker 1: a question and primarily hunts the same Patrick ground he
Speaker 1: grew up on. Yeah, very much. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I wondered about you said that the government was poisoning
Speaker 1: and their shrup shooters and all this. Why don't they
Speaker 1: introduce predators during during World War Two? Well they that's
Speaker 1: the problem. They so the rabbits were a problems, so
Speaker 1: they introduced the weasels, and the the weasels and the ferrets. Well,
Speaker 1: the weasels in the first decided that the native flight
Speaker 1: was bird species are way easier to kill and ethan rabbits.
Speaker 1: That's when they brought it. They brought it. In Hawaii,
Speaker 1: they had the rat they brought in the mongoose to
Speaker 1: take care of. The rats just devastated ground nesting birds.
Speaker 1: So you can garticular the writer Tom Robbins was talking
Speaker 1: about the rat mongoose thing in Hawaii and he said,
Speaker 1: we used to have a crime problem. We brought in cops.
Speaker 1: I know. I just found this out recently though, that
Speaker 1: during World War two, when all the men were away fighting,
Speaker 1: the deer population just exploded. And he actually thought about
Speaker 1: bringing in mountain lions. Yeah, that was a legitimate like solution.
Speaker 1: Would have been all for it, man. Yeah, imagine like
Speaker 1: the shepherds, though, what are they gonna eat? What are
Speaker 1: the deer gonna eat now? Or what are the line
Speaker 1: canna eat because I have been Like, listen, it's a
Speaker 1: crazy zoo. Now anyway, let's just goin. Bengled tigers might
Speaker 1: as want to be something that's semi dangered. You're highly endangered.
Speaker 1: We've got enough mountlines and set some Bengal tigers loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's listen, I don't hear. Here's the thing I
Speaker 1: wanted as for my own wrap up on New Zealand.
Speaker 1: I want to do my own thing. One thing I
Speaker 1: felt about New Zealand and I had a blaster there
Speaker 1: and like I'll remember it all the time. I hunted
Speaker 1: a red deer in England and if I could scrub
Speaker 1: the memory from my mind, I would scrub it from
Speaker 1: my mind. No no ider in scott Scotland. If I
Speaker 1: could scrub it from my memory, I would because it
Speaker 1: just wasn't I just didn't care about it. It wasn't
Speaker 1: exciting to me. The system there is not exciting to me.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like you can only hunt like
Speaker 1: the games all privately owned. You go all the gamekeeper.
Speaker 1: He's not even supposed to let you touched the gun
Speaker 1: until he lines it all. It's just like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just it's like Old World. It scrubs all
Speaker 1: the adventure from honing in turns and they get special
Speaker 1: they get dressed up in special clothes. That is about
Speaker 1: the adventure for me in New Zealand. Is That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to say. Way adventure. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: thirty miles up a river valley. Well, can I tell
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories that I has ever happened
Speaker 1: out hunting wrap up? Yeah? Okay with a thirty miles
Speaker 1: up the river valley when we sent when you were
Speaker 1: here story? Yeah, bad story because nobody has heard this story.
Speaker 1: This is a very behind the scenes, behind the scenes
Speaker 1: into the into the workings and dealings of meat eater,
Speaker 1: and a story you shoot your shammy and I my
Speaker 1: buddy Ben, who came over from Australia, was he's just
Speaker 1: hunting around and so I said, hey, we need some
Speaker 1: guys to carry equipment, do a little packing. So we've
Speaker 1: got Auzzi Ben carrying cameras and reach our battery. So
Speaker 1: we shoot the shammy and then we send Ben back
Speaker 1: to the vehicles. Two charge some batteries and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it's past dark and we're back at the hut cooking
Speaker 1: up dinner, and I'm like, man, where is Ben? So? No,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to have been gone longer? No, was
Speaker 1: he okay? Yeah, so he gets back. We thought he'd
Speaker 1: come back the next day. I thought, no, he was.
Speaker 1: He was gonna come back just after a while. And
Speaker 1: I and we were all just joking around, like I
Speaker 1: wonder if hopefully Ben is smart enough not to run
Speaker 1: the vehicle out of fuel. And so we're eating and
Speaker 1: Ben comes back and he just like doesn't talk to anyone,
Speaker 1: no eye contact, and I got you didn't run the
Speaker 1: vehicle out of fuel, did you? Ben? Just joking around
Speaker 1: and he's like real quiet, and then we do our
Speaker 1: thing or eating. It comes up to me he goes, Renny,
Speaker 1: I need to have some words. And I thought I
Speaker 1: thought Ben was pissed that we were making him the grunt,
Speaker 1: like I'm sick of carrying your crap. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go up the mountain for tar. I'm like, oh great,
Speaker 1: now he's gonna quit on us. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: We've got this big production crew. The pressures on me
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of orchestrating the whole inner dealings out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm like, oh, great, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be pissed. He's gonna quit. And he goes, uh,
Speaker 1: REMI I don't know how to tell you this, and
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and I'm expecting him to just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm sick of carrying crap and charging batteries. He goes,
Speaker 1: I shot your truck. And I look at him, go,
Speaker 1: what do you mean you shot my truck? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you okay? It's like, yeah, well, I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and his vehicle. I guess the power plug wasn't
Speaker 1: working or something. So he gets in my vehicle. He's
Speaker 1: sitting in the passenger seat and we shot some geese
Speaker 1: with We had the shotguns ready for shooting geese. And
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, in oz we don't have semi
Speaker 1: automatic weapons. And this dude's an engineer, he's a smart guy,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we don't have those kind of we don't
Speaker 1: have those kind of trying to figure out how it works.
Speaker 1: So he's sitting there and he's just charging batteries for
Speaker 1: a few hours, just board and he pulls he says,
Speaker 1: he's sitting there. He pulls the thing back, you know,
Speaker 1: the action back, looks in there, pulls it back, and
Speaker 1: he's just sitting there flicking the action click click, click click,
Speaker 1: you know, looks in a few times. Nothing. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: a button on the bottom. Hits the button. Here's a noise. Huh.
Speaker 1: And he's sitting there click click, click, click click, flip
Speaker 1: the action back and forth out of board. Him decides
Speaker 1: to reach down and pull the trigger. Well, there had
Speaker 1: been shells in the magazine, not in the chamber. We
Speaker 1: didn't leave it loaded. But you know it's fine. That
Speaker 1: welts exactly. I mean, you know, I leave shells in
Speaker 1: my magazine. It's not wherever we're at, it's not illegal
Speaker 1: or anything. And he pulls it back, pulls the trigger,
Speaker 1: boom through the foord boards, blows out the fuel lines,
Speaker 1: and he he said that when it went off, his
Speaker 1: like shell shock. He opens the door and he just
Speaker 1: with his barns on the ground, scared. It would have
Speaker 1: to scary half. And then not only that, but now
Speaker 1: smokes billowing out and andress I told them that I
Speaker 1: always knew Australians were good shots because they could shoot
Speaker 1: a truck while it's running. But yeah, so we had
Speaker 1: to tow that and multiple river crossings over rough terrain
Speaker 1: He's like, he didn't blows to off. Well, that's why
Speaker 1: I always set the barrels, you know, barrels down. But
Speaker 1: my dad carried shock on pelts in his foot. That's
Speaker 1: what you're saying for just ever got shot? Well, I
Speaker 1: think no, I'll tell im. I'm given a talk tonight
Speaker 1: at the university. I'm gonna talk about that story for
Speaker 1: a minute. So I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: to ruin. Yeah, I don't want blow because you guys
Speaker 1: might be the only people there. You have. Some bitch
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier. Remember the worst though, was telling
Speaker 1: how long did it take about eight hours to get
Speaker 1: the v go back? All day? It was all day
Speaker 1: me and you were I was steering the back vehicles,
Speaker 1: just sucking diesel fumes. You're a soldier sucking diesel fumes
Speaker 1: with me for ten hours. I felt so sick after that.
Speaker 1: If I remember, I repeatedly brought up the idea that
Speaker 1: we cut a piece of vacuas it passed the line,
Speaker 1: and someone kept saying, maybe you that once you run
Speaker 1: these kind of vehicles out of gas, that doesn't work
Speaker 1: well because of the diesel engine fixed it and said
Speaker 1: that's not true, you can fix it, right, and I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we I don't think we was accidentally right. You
Speaker 1: were accidentally right because we didn't have the proper tools
Speaker 1: to fix it because remember how bent the fuel, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything was. I had no idea what I was talking about,
Speaker 1: but ended up well accident it was. It was more
Speaker 1: of a general like, can't we just pull something from
Speaker 1: somewhere else and patch it up? Theoretically we could have.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a very good mechanic. That's about
Speaker 1: your out. I doubt it. Maybe we should have a contest,
Speaker 1: But I want because I want to talk about why
Speaker 1: Remy came back to wrap up to some people listening,
Speaker 1: because I know I grew up in Michigan and we
Speaker 1: could We couldn't even have the AMMO like with an
Speaker 1: arm's reach. I think of the gun in the car.
Speaker 1: Is the rules something? Yeah, because because not in this
Speaker 1: state anymore anymore, because the great governor here got it
Speaker 1: where you don't need to have your guncames no matter
Speaker 1: what else, you don't have to Mackie's. It's it's very
Speaker 1: strict rules on that. And then you move out west
Speaker 1: and it's like in a couple of years you're used
Speaker 1: to just having you know, whether it's um, you know,
Speaker 1: shells in your magazine, your shotgun or you know, rifle carts,
Speaker 1: just you know down in your action of your bolt
Speaker 1: action rifle in the back seat of the truck. It's
Speaker 1: like totally anointed, right, we just drive around like that,
Speaker 1: you're going out west. I think, why did I get
Speaker 1: my first shotgun? I think it was eight nine nine
Speaker 1: because it has here's a shotgun, like you can keep
Speaker 1: it in your room, but you can't have shells in
Speaker 1: the magazine. And I was like, but we can have
Speaker 1: him in the magazine when we're driving around. My mom
Speaker 1: was like, my mom drew the line. She's like, you
Speaker 1: can have the gun in your room, but you cannot
Speaker 1: have shells in the magazine. We had guns when we
Speaker 1: were so young. It just seems weird now. Man, we
Speaker 1: drive round on our bikes. Was slung twenty two and
Speaker 1: like I remember, like I didn't even understand the time,
Speaker 1: but certain kids were allowed to hang out with us
Speaker 1: because you guys roll up on our bikes with like
Speaker 1: like those two bed marlin just let's go. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: I remember at that time, you just felt so you're
Speaker 1: like I'm eight, I can have a shotgun, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you have my dad, I just
Speaker 1: don't shoot Robbins. Yeah, we had a long list of
Speaker 1: birds were allowed to shoot. Now I'm embarrassed even saying
Speaker 1: what was on that list? But Chicken's and robbinsf So
Speaker 1: oh one other thing though. The meat there is good, though.
Speaker 1: The tar we killed a favorite, and we killed a
Speaker 1: tar we made. Remember we made tar. That's fun, all right,
Speaker 1: That's what I want to talk about. So, Remy, you
Speaker 1: came back in town because your new shoulders on exactly
Speaker 1: now when I met Remmy, I met Remmy and went
Speaker 1: to hunt in New Zealand with him. Um, you had
Speaker 1: already been doing some television. Yeah, I'd been doing solo
Speaker 1: Hunters for about a year or two years something like that. Then. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted Remy to come on and be like like
Speaker 1: when I was on vacation. I wanted Remy the host
Speaker 1: meat eater. But stead he's got his whole new damn show.
Speaker 1: Now I'll still come on today. We're gonna cook up
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing you could think of eat? We've
Speaker 1: already eaten a coy out and I saw you eat
Speaker 1: a monkey. Is there anything just just folks. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that can be red fox and hedgehoger on the list,
Speaker 1: not hedgehog groundhog groundhog. Hedgehogs already eating in England. He
Speaker 1: can't kill a hedge hung The two doorable whatever the
Speaker 1: one is back east not the same might be able
Speaker 1: to arrange. It's a good time you're to get them too.
Speaker 1: They spent a lot of time out with the borough
Speaker 1: right now, says now. Rammy has been working with um
Speaker 1: same folks who made make Meat either to launch new
Speaker 1: show Apex Predator. Talk about that, yeah, I mean what
Speaker 1: we were. My thought was, I think if you watch
Speaker 1: Apex Apex Predators just to show, you have to watch
Speaker 1: to understand because it's not necessarily a hunting show, and
Speaker 1: especially coming from a guy like me. My life is hunting,
Speaker 1: but straight hunt, straight hunting. I mean I guide for
Speaker 1: a living. I right for Western hunting articles and magazines.
Speaker 1: I do solo hunters. Well, I want to bring miss up.
Speaker 1: I got to here's I want to knowing you from
Speaker 1: reading your articles in Western Hunter and which is which is?
Speaker 1: I said, I want to meet this guy because you'd
Speaker 1: write great articles. I remember you had a great article
Speaker 1: about like you do a lot of stuff like self
Speaker 1: guided stuff, how to like get away from the crowds
Speaker 1: back country junk. You by this, Yeah, this really cool
Speaker 1: article about like trying to find like hunting mule deer
Speaker 1: in high pressure areas in Nevada. It's funny that. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: when I got the first email from you, you were
Speaker 1: talking about hunting in Montana. I think, you know, looking
Speaker 1: to looking for some ideas in Montana. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to New Zealand in a month or so.
Speaker 1: I want to join me. Yeah, so I think I
Speaker 1: might even got your contact from Chris Denham Western Hunter magazine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is funny because you said the email you know,
Speaker 1: you and I had watched um now I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name. Uh yeah, and I love that show, and
Speaker 1: I it was funny because I've been talking about that
Speaker 1: show before I got your email, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's strange. The guy that's on that show just send
Speaker 1: me an email. It's like most random email I've ever received, probably,
Speaker 1: but it turned out being pretty cool. You're able to
Speaker 1: go to New Zealand and so that we met and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I really wanted to work with you.
Speaker 1: More so talk about apex though, like like just give
Speaker 1: the I mean, get what it is, Okay, So what
Speaker 1: is the study of It's it's looking at the way
Speaker 1: humans are have become or are the top predators. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of factors that go into it. But
Speaker 1: I have this thought that we can look at like
Speaker 1: if you look at every animal on the planet, they're
Speaker 1: all they all fill a niche. They're specially adapted. They
Speaker 1: do something specific to survive, and that's how they get
Speaker 1: by surviving, whether it's a predator animal or a prey animal.
Speaker 1: They all feel a certain spot and they're all really
Speaker 1: good at something. But it's humans. We can look at
Speaker 1: something nature has specialized in and try to mimic it
Speaker 1: for our own hunting tactics, our own hunting style or
Speaker 1: it really like the more we do the show, it
Speaker 1: amazes me how much we actually compare or can compare
Speaker 1: to these animals that we think are our way out
Speaker 1: of our league or hunt so different than us. We've
Speaker 1: taken a lot of tactics and a lot of things
Speaker 1: from a lot of different aspects of nature. And one
Speaker 1: of one of the things that got me thinking about
Speaker 1: doing a show like this, I was hunting elk in
Speaker 1: Montana and it was the very first time I saw
Speaker 1: a wolf. And I'm I'm walking, I see this wolf.
Speaker 1: It was thirty yards away. And at this point this
Speaker 1: is before you saw wolves, and you know, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, I was a static. I've never
Speaker 1: seen a wolf in my life and this was awesome
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of looking at me. I get
Speaker 1: my video camera out, I'm like trying to film it
Speaker 1: and cool. I saw a wolf today. So I go
Speaker 1: and I've been This was in the Bittteret Valley in Montana.
Speaker 1: Don't remember what year it was. I can think it was,
Speaker 1: uh two thousand and two, yeah, something like that, maybe
Speaker 1: two thousand, yeah, two thousand and you know. And so
Speaker 1: I see this wolf and I and I've been hunting
Speaker 1: this specific bull elk. I passed up a lot of elk.
Speaker 1: I was hunting one big bull that was behind my place.
Speaker 1: So I see the elk out on this far ridge.
Speaker 1: So I walk around and I get set up and
Speaker 1: I'm on the back side of this ridge and the
Speaker 1: herd elks there. Well, sure enough, here comes the wolf
Speaker 1: finding the same elk. And I only saw the one,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he was just hunting alone,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people always talked about him hunting
Speaker 1: in packs. Most of the all the elk that I've
Speaker 1: witnessed get killed by wolves have been single wolves. Never
Speaker 1: seen a pack attack wolves. I've only I've seen four
Speaker 1: elk kill old personally just visually watched elk getting killed.
Speaker 1: They've all been by single wolves. No two cows, tubols,
Speaker 1: two spikes, two cows tubles, and so anyways, the wolf
Speaker 1: goes and gets the elk running, and I'm like, damn it.
Speaker 1: And it's a hot early September days, but I thought,
Speaker 1: I just in my mind, I was like, I know
Speaker 1: this area so well. I know where those elk are going.
Speaker 1: And they had this up and down, up and down,
Speaker 1: up and down, and you watch them come up just
Speaker 1: after the first rise. Their tongues are hanging out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've seen it. You know, like they
Speaker 1: it's like running a horse up hill. They get tired fast.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, don't you think, like you could
Speaker 1: never catch up to an elk. And I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna run straight up this ridge and try to
Speaker 1: cut them off. So I literally started sprinting to the
Speaker 1: top and I get to where I mean it's probably
Speaker 1: I think it's five six miles away, but I just
Speaker 1: ran up to the top, took my route. I could
Speaker 1: see them going up and down the ridges, and I
Speaker 1: get to the spot where I think they're coming up,
Speaker 1: and they are dead tired by this point. They're walking,
Speaker 1: their tongues are hanging out the vein. You can see
Speaker 1: the veins in their face like they just looked gassed.
Speaker 1: And I stand behind a tree and all the elks
Speaker 1: start walking by, just looking about half dead tired. At
Speaker 1: probably the furthest or twenty yards, whip out my camera.
Speaker 1: I take a few pictures, and the bull never showed up.
Speaker 1: And I think what happened was because his antlers were
Speaker 1: so heavy, he took a different route he went down,
Speaker 1: because I ended up walking down and seeing two other
Speaker 1: bulls that were smaller, lower, But it just put into
Speaker 1: my mind at that point that's exactly how the wolf
Speaker 1: would hunted him. And I would have never thought in
Speaker 1: a million years you could catch up to her. Everybody says,
Speaker 1: once you spook elk, they're gone ten miles, you'll never
Speaker 1: ever find them again. People are right, but well and
Speaker 1: in a heavy timber it's fairly open open country, but
Speaker 1: they do get gas. I mean they don't have the
Speaker 1: ability to sweat like we do, or they're they're a
Speaker 1: large animal running in the heat up steep up and
Speaker 1: down steap mountains. Just by knowing the terrain and other things,
Speaker 1: I was able to catch up to him, and had
Speaker 1: the bull gone that route, I would have killed it.
Speaker 1: You know, I got some cool picture. I still have
Speaker 1: that picture on my fridges, like the first time and
Speaker 1: and then walking. Uh you know, so fast forward a
Speaker 1: few years. I was out guiding one day and I
Speaker 1: you know, as a guide you have to get really
Speaker 1: good at killing elk in a certain amount of time,
Speaker 1: so you know, like you can't mess up. You know
Speaker 1: where they hide, where they do this where you have
Speaker 1: to know them so well because each week we're killing
Speaker 1: to public land elk for ten weeks, which you just
Speaker 1: gotta be on it. So I know these elk pretty
Speaker 1: l and I have certain routes that I walk in
Speaker 1: certain mountains because I know where they perform. Like you
Speaker 1: look at the whole mountain, the elk will be in
Speaker 1: one spot. You know, you could be a million acres
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be on a hundred of it, and
Speaker 1: you get the sense that if you killed every elk
Speaker 1: on that mountain range and letting new elk come in,
Speaker 1: they would do the same. Right. And I have a
Speaker 1: certain way that I walk this ridge because I know
Speaker 1: the way that the thermals go in the morning, the winds,
Speaker 1: the way that I can come in through the trees
Speaker 1: and be hidden at this point where they like to bed.
Speaker 1: Then I walk up and new this. So I'm walking
Speaker 1: my route which has worked forever, and I see some
Speaker 1: wolf tracks and it surprised me. The wolf was hunting
Speaker 1: that mountain the exact same route that I take. So
Speaker 1: here's another hunter that hunts every day. And it's like
Speaker 1: I figured out something like it's it was just like
Speaker 1: we are so similar we hunt. He knows where these
Speaker 1: elk bed two, he knows the route, he knows, and
Speaker 1: we're hunting them in the exact same fashion. It was
Speaker 1: crazy to me, and so I started thinking about it, thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: what other animals can we learn from or annulate? Like
Speaker 1: if if I had just watched how the wolf did things,
Speaker 1: I would probably come to the conclusion that took me
Speaker 1: ten years to figure out this route, And here he's
Speaker 1: hunting every day. He has this knowledge, and as predators,
Speaker 1: we do things in a very similar way. And so
Speaker 1: I thought, what other animals are out there that I
Speaker 1: can learn from? What tactics can I take away from
Speaker 1: an alligator or a great blue heron or a river otter?
Speaker 1: And we we one time we're in Michigan's up and
Speaker 1: we watch river otters catching fish. Look what the hell
Speaker 1: they catch? It realized were catching giant perch out of
Speaker 1: this river. And then it went back and clock perch.
Speaker 1: We didn't never know about that. Spotts. Just yeah, I
Speaker 1: had no idea. And you probably see You probably see
Speaker 1: where the lines and the like. You know, fish will hold.
Speaker 1: It's the same even in the ever certain fish will
Speaker 1: hold certain currents. Because what I do a lot before
Speaker 1: I go. If I go to a new river, I
Speaker 1: put on snarkele and I float down the river and
Speaker 1: see visually where the fish are and how they're holding.
Speaker 1: And then I go and walk up that river, and
Speaker 1: I catched ten times the amount of fish because I
Speaker 1: know exactly where those fish are sitting, Like I know
Speaker 1: the seemed casting because you know where the big fish
Speaker 1: are in the river and other things. But even just
Speaker 1: by if you just watch the otter, like what what
Speaker 1: lines or is he taking because that's the line where
Speaker 1: the fish are holding, you can you can learn a lot.
Speaker 1: So how many so how many predators you like in
Speaker 1: an apex predator? How many predators you guys explore? So
Speaker 1: far we've done We've done six. And when we're talking
Speaker 1: about name, you know, I see it as looking at
Speaker 1: all of nature other things, not necessarily predators, because I
Speaker 1: think that there's prey animals that could I mean, think
Speaker 1: of our camouflage patterns and other things. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not just humans are essentially an apex predator, and I
Speaker 1: first want to look at predators, but also take a
Speaker 1: look at other animals that necessarily may not be apex
Speaker 1: predators or or it could be predators could be non predators.
Speaker 1: But so far we've looked at the golden eagle, the wolf,
Speaker 1: the river otter, the great blue heron, and that Catlin
Speaker 1: painting about the wolf skins, which yeah, that's the famous
Speaker 1: Catlin painting. Words, uh he painted it cause two dudes, right,
Speaker 1: Indians hiding under wolf skins. And that you see that
Speaker 1: right there is looking and and that falls within the
Speaker 1: way that we're looking at it because obviously they observed
Speaker 1: animal behavior and figure it out a way to make
Speaker 1: it work for them. I mean, as you mentioned in
Speaker 1: that episode, the bison when they see an upright human,
Speaker 1: know that if they run, they're safe because the humans
Speaker 1: can't jim. But if they run from the wolf, the
Speaker 1: way the wolf hunts is by getting to run. If
Speaker 1: they stand there, the wolf want attack them because it
Speaker 1: knows it's outweighed, outmatched. So they saw, oh, when the
Speaker 1: wolves are there, the bison stand there, let's throw a
Speaker 1: wolf skin over our back and then we can spear
Speaker 1: them or shoot them with our bows or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know that, Like that has to be just like
Speaker 1: direct observation, direct observation. Yeah, and then there's the thought of, well,
Speaker 1: the first episode was the Alligator and and that one, like,
Speaker 1: so what days APEX on Thursday eight p m. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's say, I feel like it's the same slot
Speaker 1: it is. So that's what I'm just riding your way.
Speaker 1: It was not on the air right now. APEX is
Speaker 1: on there you guys only run one. It's probably on
Speaker 1: repeat a little bit. Yeah, it's uh eight, and then
Speaker 1: it's sometime in the morning. And then so you did
Speaker 1: the Alligator One, which as cool as hell the alligator
Speaker 1: and then this week talk about that talk about like
Speaker 1: like in the Alligator one, like Remy hangs outs. People
Speaker 1: who know a lot about alligators, they kind of talk
Speaker 1: about their stress. How would you describe an alligators hunting stress?
Speaker 1: I I describe an alligator strategy as there they're a
Speaker 1: lion weight predator. But the way I see it is
Speaker 1: they're a living trap that goes and sets themselves. It's
Speaker 1: it's just like what I could relate their hunting strategy
Speaker 1: to the best is either trapping or stand hunting. They
Speaker 1: aren't uh a spot in stock type animal. They like
Speaker 1: where a lion sees the prey, sneaks in and kills it.
Speaker 1: The alligator is just based on patients and that's something
Speaker 1: Western hunters like myself do not have. I have happy
Speaker 1: feet when you can go a hundred miles if you
Speaker 1: if someone's like, you can go a hundred miles if
Speaker 1: you wanted, and you're gonna go a hundred miles to
Speaker 1: my own well, I shouldn't say to my own detriment
Speaker 1: because it makes me happy. Yeah, but at times to
Speaker 1: my own detriment as a guy that wants to be
Speaker 1: a successful hunter. I walked too much. But then I
Speaker 1: can't be like what, I should be less happy? Right,
Speaker 1: I should be less happy and walk less. It's like
Speaker 1: I just like the right. But anyways, yeah, they don't gators.
Speaker 1: The gators don't. And then so we set up the task.
Speaker 1: The way the show is is we set up I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call them challenges because what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do is learn from the lens of that animal because originally, well,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're starting a new show, You've got
Speaker 1: these ideas in your head of how it's gonna work out,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't ever happen like that. Especially let's
Speaker 1: go try to grab a pig with our hands, with
Speaker 1: my hands in the swamps of Florida, and the focus
Speaker 1: was on the task of grabbing the pig, and what
Speaker 1: it turned out to be was learning from the alligator.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that should be the point. What am I
Speaker 1: trying to learn here? Because it was about the patients,
Speaker 1: It was about setting the trap and really blending in
Speaker 1: with the environment. Because the way the show works is
Speaker 1: we look at the animal and then we go and
Speaker 1: do what I like to call the training aspect, or
Speaker 1: the human comparison aspect where we compare humans to that animal.
Speaker 1: Why can the alligator lay in the water right what
Speaker 1: so long? And his vision is good? And like what
Speaker 1: makes it that you can't lay in the water like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you was like freezing your ass off. Yeah, you think
Speaker 1: about it. Humans can get hypothermian seventy degree bathwater, which
Speaker 1: is you think about uh, yeah, right now, you do.
Speaker 1: Your body does degreat and is when we did the
Speaker 1: test with the broad jump and and the body temperature,
Speaker 1: your body temperature goes down pretty fast and you lose
Speaker 1: your heat quickly. You lose your full physical potential within
Speaker 1: five minutes. IM not saying that you can perform the task,
Speaker 1: but you aren't. What you where the alligator can sit,
Speaker 1: They sit out all day and they can conserve that
Speaker 1: energy for hours and hours and hours because they have
Speaker 1: a slow heart rate, they're cold blooded, so they heat
Speaker 1: up and then they and they essentially assume their environment.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot a lot of this show. I
Speaker 1: find things that are very similar between animals that kind
Speaker 1: of put into the perspective of me as a human
Speaker 1: of how to assume the environment and be more natural.
Speaker 1: You think about you ever be out hunting and an
Speaker 1: animal just like looks in your direction or whatever and
Speaker 1: it knows you're there, And you think, how does this
Speaker 1: animal even know? They can't register, right, And I think
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with how even even walking,
Speaker 1: Like there's certain people that walk through the woods and
Speaker 1: the animals start running, or another person that could walk
Speaker 1: through the woods and it doesn't bother them. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of how you meld into your
Speaker 1: environment and kind of kind of movements, the how familiar
Speaker 1: are with with the area in the land and other things.
Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of things that I've noticed
Speaker 1: throughout predators that I wouldn't have noticed without doing us.
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is just go ending with
Speaker 1: your environment being comfortable, and a lot of things about
Speaker 1: us as humans that, oh man, we actually are a
Speaker 1: lot better at some of these things with if we
Speaker 1: we could train to do it as well as some
Speaker 1: of these other animals. Yeah, like you guys, Wolf episode,
Speaker 1: when's that coming up? That's coming? Yeah, that's not this
Speaker 1: next one, but the following. So this Wolf episode, Remy's
Speaker 1: exploring the idea of of chase the elk like a
Speaker 1: wolf does. Just like that you just get on them
Speaker 1: and just go and go and go and go and
Speaker 1: go and eventually can and Remy goes into this place
Speaker 1: to test is uh v I T max max Like
Speaker 1: how well you It's like, how will you take in
Speaker 1: process oxygen? Right? Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's your It
Speaker 1: measures your endurance capabilities. It doesn't necessarily measure how it's
Speaker 1: just like your your endurance potential. So what you can
Speaker 1: potentially do if you trained up to it, like how
Speaker 1: well you can pull into restore depleted muscles doctor exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and where your where your body goes in and you
Speaker 1: had a good score. But the dude, but then the
Speaker 1: dude tells you what a wolf has and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't even compare to it. It's like
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna right, You're not going to compare.
Speaker 1: You never going to run like a wolf. But I
Speaker 1: start breeding that into you. I guess at what is
Speaker 1: like what was yours? What's the wolfs? Remember my VO
Speaker 1: two max was like eighty three point three and the
Speaker 1: wolves can be over three hundred. But then you see
Speaker 1: the other thing that I learned though, is some of
Speaker 1: the stuff, a lot of it's just genetic or because
Speaker 1: the eight three point three I guess they did. Like
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong was like eighty six while he was blood
Speaker 1: doping or something like that. Like it's in mine just
Speaker 1: so happened to be naturally high. It's just like in
Speaker 1: the top probably one percentile of people. But I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty genetic because my family's I'm just in a
Speaker 1: family of Durrance type athletes. Even like my grandma's finished
Speaker 1: iron Man's over the age of fifth. Yeah, now she's
Speaker 1: like seventy now, but she still she still goes every
Speaker 1: year for her birthday, she goes and hikes this we
Speaker 1: hike this big mountain. Just like she'll do that forever,
Speaker 1: I would think, as long as she can. But a
Speaker 1: lot of it, Yeah, and then there's aspects where you
Speaker 1: can't even compare to these animals. But we have the
Speaker 1: advantage of it all comes down to our brains. We
Speaker 1: can devise ways to improvise. Where these animals have to
Speaker 1: rely on their natural ability, we can kind of we
Speaker 1: can strategize exactly, borrow things, create things, and try to
Speaker 1: outthink things. You like to think you could out smart
Speaker 1: an elk or deer. Sometimes it's a lot harder than
Speaker 1: then you anticipate. I think it's a big part of hunt.
Speaker 1: I think that what's the show demonstrates to me like
Speaker 1: a type of reverence for wildlife. But I think it's
Speaker 1: essential for a hunter and a half. Like I I'll
Speaker 1: talk about my old man earlier, like we would have
Speaker 1: you know what we were supposed to shoot and didn't shoot.
Speaker 1: And um, he's been dead a long time. I remember,
Speaker 1: like he was. He has such a like myopic vision
Speaker 1: about wildlife that if it wasn't a game bird, it
Speaker 1: was a tweetie bird, right, no fault to him. Like
Speaker 1: he didn't grow up in a hunting you know, he
Speaker 1: invented hunting for our family. You know, he didn't grow
Speaker 1: up in a hunting household. He was raised by the
Speaker 1: Italian immigrant grandparents, you know, like they just like the
Speaker 1: last thing on their minds appreciating wildlife to live in Chicago,
Speaker 1: trying to make ends meet. Very modest upbringing during the Depression. Right,
Speaker 1: So he didn't learn that, Like I try to teach
Speaker 1: my kids to like really love wild life, you know,
Speaker 1: And I haven't introduced him to the idea of that
Speaker 1: there's desirable and non desirable. You know. It's like learn
Speaker 1: your birds love wild life. Like a lot of hunters. Man,
Speaker 1: it's like really easy to get in that sort of
Speaker 1: like good guy, bad guy attitude. I remember I duck
Speaker 1: hunt with some guys and they had in their mind
Speaker 1: there was mallards and there's a term scrap duck, you
Speaker 1: know which I think it's like a it's disrespectful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it breeds a sort of disrespect to be that um like,
Speaker 1: oh if you if if there's no use to me, right,
Speaker 1: if this species is of no immediate used to me
Speaker 1: as a hunter, it doesn't warrant my observation. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think there is that approach, but how many I
Speaker 1: think a lot of hunters. Well maybe I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about myself here, but I love every aspect of being
Speaker 1: out there. It's not just that one animal. It's hunters
Speaker 1: a lot. It's hard to explain to non huns because
Speaker 1: hunters love animals. I've always admired animals. That's the reason
Speaker 1: that I started hunting, because I liked animals so much.
Speaker 1: But for me, it was I remember being a kid
Speaker 1: flipping through those animal cards or animal fact sheets like
Speaker 1: I would collect them. I would My thing was animals.
Speaker 1: I loved figuring out what they did, how they lived.
Speaker 1: And that's why when I got into hunting, it was
Speaker 1: I could become a part of their system. And that's
Speaker 1: what really felt cool to me is I liked the
Speaker 1: idea of when I first went out hunting, almost this
Speaker 1: feeling of when I shot a bird, it was now
Speaker 1: it was now my bird that I was a part of.
Speaker 1: Like the birds are out there, I could see the
Speaker 1: animals at a distance, but now hunting it put me
Speaker 1: in that situation where that bird is now mine. Now
Speaker 1: I can eat that bird. And it was just this
Speaker 1: cool feeling of being a part of it, like immersed,
Speaker 1: not just looking at so hard to explain. No, I
Speaker 1: was recently having this conversation I was out hunting with
Speaker 1: the first time hunter, and I was explaining that, um,
Speaker 1: that upstore of the opposite of a Buddhist, you know,
Speaker 1: because what I do like I interested. I try to
Speaker 1: be interested in all animals. I try to study all animals.
Speaker 1: But I always it always for me, And just like
Speaker 1: Apex Predator the show, it always winds up being like
Speaker 1: sort of like coming back around to in some way me,
Speaker 1: like what does it mean for me? Like I love
Speaker 1: a piece of information that when you hear pintes, like you, like,
Speaker 1: if you're not a hunter, you might be out in
Speaker 1: the woods and here pine squirrel chattering, pine sculs chatter,
Speaker 1: and and I hear it. But what I hear is
Speaker 1: that pine squirrels pissed about something. And he might be
Speaker 1: pissed about something far away. And I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: pissed about me. Something is pissing that thing off. It
Speaker 1: could be I've heard him mark out. They really bark
Speaker 1: at bears, right, So, like you hear that, and that's
Speaker 1: like sending a message to me. So I'm interested in
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. I've eating them, but I don't like hunt
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. I'm interested in pine squirrels. I want to
Speaker 1: know everything I can know about them. I was fascinated
Speaker 1: to hear that they're a big predator of snowshoe hairs,
Speaker 1: when leading snowshoe hair predators whiter, and that when they chirp,
Speaker 1: they're pissed at something and it's not a noise you
Speaker 1: should ignore. It was an animal over there making him
Speaker 1: real mad. So I love them for their own sake,
Speaker 1: but I do internalize it in some way where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like this animal, but what does he mean to me?
Speaker 1: What does he mean for mean the same way I
Speaker 1: have many times found dead animals and other interesting things
Speaker 1: by just observing, Like you see a bunch of ravens
Speaker 1: up and tree circling around getting all excited, probably some
Speaker 1: I'm dead laying over there. I have a multi tool
Speaker 1: that I still own that I was just watching a
Speaker 1: bunch of ravens once and walked over there and found,
Speaker 1: you know, four four moose hoves in a multi tool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some dude like gut into moose and left his multitol
Speaker 1: land there. And so I'm like, yeah, I dig ravens.
Speaker 1: I liked their body language and and and and you know,
Speaker 1: I just can't help but personalize it and apric predators
Speaker 1: cool because like it just it acknowledges that, like you
Speaker 1: look at one like Heron's, you know, what is what
Speaker 1: is the heron doing when he's staying it out there?
Speaker 1: Like why? Like how does he do what he does? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I'm saying mean, it's like you look at it
Speaker 1: and it just is a reasonable question, like how does
Speaker 1: he do what he does? And the other thing is
Speaker 1: you look at the heron and he just how different
Speaker 1: does that bird look than other birds quite a bit different,
Speaker 1: Like why is he look like that? Where? What what
Speaker 1: process made him the largest? What process made him like?
Speaker 1: And you look at the way and sometimes you look
Speaker 1: like I always thought my assumption of the heron and
Speaker 1: just a naive assumption that I would see him when
Speaker 1: I'm out fishing, and I always just on the heron's
Speaker 1: And so one of the reasons I wanted to do
Speaker 1: the heron is because I remember seeing that burden, thinking
Speaker 1: like as a as a kid, going it's it's a dinosaur.
Speaker 1: It looks crazy. And then as a fisherman, how many
Speaker 1: times you're out there seeing her and you you almost
Speaker 1: kind of curse the hero and like he's taking your
Speaker 1: fish because you see him as like, it's so easy.
Speaker 1: If I could just go spear these fish, I would
Speaker 1: have like I would and I've got this rod and
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble catching fish, and I look over and
Speaker 1: this heron's got a five pound trout watchings throat. It's
Speaker 1: about to die, you know, and you look at it,
Speaker 1: and I always I had this naive assumption that the heron,
Speaker 1: it was easy for the heron, He's just spear these
Speaker 1: fish and he could pretty much have his pick like
Speaker 1: he was taking my fish. He barely had to work
Speaker 1: for it. So I kind of almost I liked them,
Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, that'd be cool to be able
Speaker 1: to do. But I almost had this as a fisherman,
Speaker 1: this weird. Oh he's he's My friends that were big
Speaker 1: trout fisherman. They'd carry a pistol to shoot at river
Speaker 1: rotters and and and so doing this, I go okay.
Speaker 1: So that my assumption going into the heron episode was Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy I'm just gonna be up there
Speaker 1: and spearing fish. And then I started watching. I really
Speaker 1: started looking at the herons, and most of the things
Speaker 1: they were eating is just small, like they were scrounging
Speaker 1: for their food. And then I go and attempt to
Speaker 1: be like the heron, which seems ridiculous, as like I
Speaker 1: put some stilts on and get in the river, and
Speaker 1: I had so much trouble it wasn't even funny. And
Speaker 1: I realized, I see why the heron is scrounging for
Speaker 1: food because it's not easy. It's life is not easy.
Speaker 1: It's a big body bird that has to catch a
Speaker 1: lot of food in difficult situations. So they will catch
Speaker 1: anything exactly. I mean they spend all day, a lot
Speaker 1: of times all night just trying to scrounge up a meal.
Speaker 1: And when I thought it would just be this crazy
Speaker 1: mission of going out there and having all the advantage,
Speaker 1: you realize, okay, this is the heron's life. And then
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of things on Okay, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to be patient, you have to pick your spot well,
Speaker 1: you have to take advantage of opportunities. Yeah, used to
Speaker 1: like a washing machine, how they have the tub for
Speaker 1: afraid to tub a washing machine? He just pulls steel
Speaker 1: ones pull the steel tubs and used to make him
Speaker 1: out of steel and just set in the water with
Speaker 1: a couple of bricks in it. If you guys are hearing,
Speaker 1: like what sounds like just a constant scratching and rattling.
Speaker 1: That's that's Dark Durn playing with his headset trying to
Speaker 1: the coff into the microphone. All right. So my man
Speaker 1: had this these steel washed up and he used him
Speaker 1: for a live well. So we just set it in
Speaker 1: the water and put a couple of bricks in a
Speaker 1: bottle to keep them float away. And as we caught
Speaker 1: bluegills on our dock where I grew up. We'd throw
Speaker 1: them in the live well and then when there was
Speaker 1: enough to bother scaling him and flat him'd scaled the
Speaker 1: flamm It's per phrase. They're getting aeration, you know. And
Speaker 1: Herron's used to land way down the beach and pull
Speaker 1: a painstaking stock on that on live well. They never
Speaker 1: just got like they never understood there. They're like they
Speaker 1: laying way down and they just starts sneaking and sneaking
Speaker 1: and sneaking to get up wet bluegill, you know. Fun
Speaker 1: to watch man. Yeah, but they had to like reach
Speaker 1: over the edge, you know, to get down in there.
Speaker 1: But they pick it up the vibration from the fish
Speaker 1: or something, you know. Yeah, I think that they have
Speaker 1: almost like polarized but he's not scenes, he's not seen,
Speaker 1: so they're underneath under the water, perfect steal top. But
Speaker 1: I feel like they would I don't know, they would
Speaker 1: just steal the vibrations with their feet or something. They would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't know that those fish were there, because that's
Speaker 1: what even in the muddy water, there's a lot like
Speaker 1: the Herons would actually walk and kick up small prey
Speaker 1: and then they essentially jab where they thought, oh it's
Speaker 1: going like a bone fish does they just kind of
Speaker 1: like push things up with their feet and then as
Speaker 1: they felt to swim away, go for it. But it's
Speaker 1: a lot. They also have to deal with things that
Speaker 1: we have to deal with as well, like water refraction
Speaker 1: and and and other things that make it hard spearfish
Speaker 1: underwater when you're above and then imagine not having good
Speaker 1: water visibility or clarity or low densities just makes it.
Speaker 1: It's a hard knock life for the hero. And when
Speaker 1: you think you look at him on the beach gun
Speaker 1: that mastard he is, he's got it made and it's
Speaker 1: not the case all the time. No, that's good stuff, man,
Speaker 1: Thursday's Thursday eight pm. Watch it. And then what's really
Speaker 1: cool is if you don't have television, Oh we forgot
Speaker 1: to say it's on sports, it's not. It's not the
Speaker 1: same network, same networks, same time. So if you I
Speaker 1: wonder you may be have Tevo meat eater, like maybe
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's on that time slaughter, if it's
Speaker 1: on the name, and it may just pop. It's probably
Speaker 1: on the name though. But if you are a meat
Speaker 1: eater fan, which most people listening I imagine are, you
Speaker 1: can just tune into the same same BAT time, same
Speaker 1: bat channel. And if bugs want to check you out
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, what should they do at Remy Warren
Speaker 1: or Apex Predator TV. But see, I'm I'm more of
Speaker 1: a non traditional media user myself traveling all the time,
Speaker 1: like to watch stuff on Netflix, internet based stuff. So
Speaker 1: the bonus part is if you don't have the network
Speaker 1: or you don't have TV, you can go to Apex
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Speaker 1: or the season and the time it airs that x
Speaker 1: HX deal. So when it airs on Sportsman's channel like
Speaker 1: that week, you get it in your inbox so you
Speaker 1: can go. You don't have to wait till the end
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Speaker 1: X dot TV, go to Apex Predator dot TV. That's it, yep,
Speaker 1: and then it'll there's the link for the vh X.
Speaker 1: It's all right there and you get it and it'll
Speaker 1: I think it downloads it for eight thirty pm. You
Speaker 1: get you can download. Can you buy a single episode?
Speaker 1: You can buy a single episode or I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: you can get the seats checking out and you don't
Speaker 1: have to wait till the end. You just oh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: while everyone else is watching it, you just wait thirty
Speaker 1: minutes boom, got it. For those that don't don't have television,
Speaker 1: which there's probably quite a few out there that don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's worth that. You'll learn that much worth of stuff. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: If you want to see those old meteor episodes with
Speaker 1: Remy and Steve in that sweet New Zealand country we're
Speaker 1: talking about, you can go to meat Eater dot those
Speaker 1: checks dot tv and it's in volume three, Or if
Speaker 1: you go to the meat eater dot com you'll find
Speaker 1: links to go find and download those episodes. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we sell like meatias are up in these little blocks
Speaker 1: of they're all on one block, the New Zealand by
Speaker 1: all the New Zealand shows, and you'll be able to
Speaker 1: see like a lot of the stuff we covered about
Speaker 1: New Zealand. It's kind of like if you watch those
Speaker 1: all together, you'll kind of get you know, you'll get
Speaker 1: the kind of you'll get the pictures. Those are some
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes that just the visual it just
Speaker 1: looks awesome. Oh and then crossing the River was pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: I rewatched those ones all the time. I'm like that
Speaker 1: other great man we had a mo. Yeah, he diamond
Speaker 1: done a good job. He's like just a great, great
Speaker 1: cinematographer and he shot those episodes that are beautiful. Man,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have tieden that rope to you, but I
Speaker 1: don't care. We did it, gone and done it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Step one, never tire yourself to a rope across the river.
Speaker 1: I don't know litel tale all right. Concluding thoughts Yanni. Oh,
Speaker 1: Yanni's got his Hunt to Eat T shirt on go
Speaker 1: to um, go to what is it? Hunt to eat
Speaker 1: dot com? Go buy one of Yanni's T shirts Hunt
Speaker 1: to Eat dot com. Thank you, that's realness. Concluding thought Reby,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go by Hunt Deep T shirt and then
Speaker 1: are you really? Yeah? I like this one, y'all. He
Speaker 1: never has him in stock. He sells them out faster
Speaker 1: they can print them. They look pretty soon. We have
Speaker 1: we have something that hopefully by the time this this
Speaker 1: podcast airs the back tomorrow will be back in stock
Speaker 1: yet dot com by no buy Yanni's T shirts and
Speaker 1: then because then Yanni's gonna take all of his money
Speaker 1: and invested in well Front the bicycles and and uh
Speaker 1: fantasy football or baseball, and then he's gonna come out
Speaker 1: in New Zealand. Concluding thoughts, Yeah, I mean if you
Speaker 1: don't worry about Yanni, don't worry about Yanni hunting. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried because he Yan used to be a
Speaker 1: hunting guy that he came to work with us. But
Speaker 1: the other day we had a day off, just all
Speaker 1: got a turkey. See, I don't he don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: If you have not seen apex print, you have to
Speaker 1: check it out and you can do so on apex Printer,
Speaker 1: got TV or Sportsman Channel. So what's the website though,
Speaker 1: apex Prader dot TV, www dot apex Prader dot tv. Easy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody can remember that. And then obviously if we've got
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about the show is our web videos.
Speaker 1: If you want to have a good laugh or see
Speaker 1: something crazy, you have to check out our web video.
Speaker 1: You have to go check out some content. You can
Speaker 1: see what Remy looks like. We've got some good I
Speaker 1: am not married, Remy is still in the market. I
Speaker 1: am single. Wow, ladies, you know what, but that's that's
Speaker 1: what you get when you travel around seven. I just
Speaker 1: turned thirty a few weeks ago. Do you have a
Speaker 1: large investment portfolio. Yeah, I've got a large portfolio. He's
Speaker 1: got a huge investment portfolio. Single for freezers, for freezers,
Speaker 1: good looking kids, doug dogs, married dots. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: this deal on the Apex Predator because I don't have
Speaker 1: cable anymore, and so I'm did you buy one of
Speaker 1: Yanni's T shirts? Yeah, that's the next thing I'm doing
Speaker 1: to XL. You know, we have a dozen stocked stock,
Speaker 1: same price the other on. It doesn't cost any extra
Speaker 1: to be a big guy. So it's dollars plus three
Speaker 1: bucks to buy one of Remmy shows. Bucks you'll be
Speaker 1: looking good and watching good. All right. That's it. I
Speaker 1: don't have any concluding thoughts. Michael Cluey thought is, um,
Speaker 1: we get a lot of people who are always uh
Speaker 1: um righting in to ask like a good bang for
Speaker 1: your buck elk hunt because they want they live in
Speaker 1: the East, they might to go out and do an
Speaker 1: elk hunt. Check out Rammy two for that. You know,
Speaker 1: good elk hunts, affordable elk khunts. I'm pretty pretty jam packed,
Speaker 1: all right. Don't go talk to Remmy, but just go
Speaker 1: out and if you go out and hunt ducks. Plays
Speaker 1: coming from the bank went from the backside and shoot giant.
Speaker 1: Wait until the ducks place. Go to the boat. Uh,
Speaker 1: go with the boat and hunt weekdays. You have your
Speaker 1: placed yourself. No one's gonna hear nothing, say nothing, all right, kids,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening.