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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording in Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Doug during from Madison. Cas No, are

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Speaker 1: you from Madison or Casanova. I'm from Casanova, but I

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Speaker 1: live in Madison. Yeah, Dugs from Casanova, which is like

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Speaker 1: the redneck step child in Madison. Right, that's pretty accurate.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up? Did you grow up hating people

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Speaker 1: from Madison because you were from Casanova. I spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time here. I used to come down here,

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Speaker 1: like when I was in high school and stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dougs farm Dugs from a farm family and egg family.

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Speaker 1: His dad. I've haunted on Dougs a handful of times.

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Speaker 1: And I spent more time in Wisconsin that doing my

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Speaker 1: home state now. And uh, Doug's dad was a rural

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Speaker 1: mail carrier, right. Um. Funny story about Dug's dad. He

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Speaker 1: some one time someone made it some calls trying to

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Speaker 1: accuse Dug's dad of being a communist because he had

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Speaker 1: delivered some magazines called Red Book pretty sample of Red

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Speaker 1: Book magazine. Yeah, which for so they don't know, they

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Speaker 1: thought he spread communist propic. Well, that and some other

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Speaker 1: things that had gone on, you know, politically in the area.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and if you don't know, Red Book magazine

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Speaker 1: is a woman's magazine, so I expected something like this

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Speaker 1: red Book. Here with Remy Warren, we're mainly talking with

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Speaker 1: Remy Um. Also here with Honest, we tell us a

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Speaker 1: little known fact about y Honest, you tell us right

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Speaker 1: now he has poison IVY on his packer. We were

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Speaker 1: just got back from turkey hunting in California, and where

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Speaker 1: we were hunting, the is it predominant or prominent? If

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say the blank undergrowth predominant about pervading

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Speaker 1: the pervading undergrowth, It's like a lot of places you

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Speaker 1: go and you'd be like, oh, you know, oh ship,

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Speaker 1: there's some poison oat or poison ivy. Um this place,

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Speaker 1: it was just everything that wasn't a tree was poison oak.

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Speaker 1: There was like trees, grass, poison. It was the prevailing, predominant, prominent, dominant.

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Speaker 1: You know you didn't have so yeah, Yanni made himself

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Speaker 1: a little like a no, I don't know, we didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've gotten that stuff so bad in the past.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten that stuff so bad that I had to

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Speaker 1: go to the emergency room for having bad fevers because

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Speaker 1: we were burning at one time. They we were clearing

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Speaker 1: a lot in Indiana and burned a bunch of that

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Speaker 1: stuff and I had breathed it in and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: hours later and I guess got very bad fever and

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Speaker 1: um and since then, I've always had a problem with it.

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Speaker 1: But the weird thing about this time is initial exposure

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Speaker 1: was eight days ago and I just got my first

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Speaker 1: blister this morning. But yeah, he's had it on his

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Speaker 1: tally whackers since. Maybe it just sympathetic sympathetic symptoms. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're just feeling for him a little bit, so you're like,

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Speaker 1: look right here, and our crew were about they got it,

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Speaker 1: and no, everybody's saying they did not get it. No,

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Speaker 1: because you now have a spot, well count that as

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Speaker 1: having it. Okay, Well no, I thought Mike said nothing

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Speaker 1: on his forms. He's said a picture. It's pretty good

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Speaker 1: on his forearms. I hate that stuff. Yeah, it's wicked.

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Speaker 1: I made it about four or five days, really like

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Speaker 1: strong mentally, and I've just been holding off and not

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Speaker 1: scratching at all. And at three o'clock this morning, I

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Speaker 1: just woke up and I even put band aids over

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Speaker 1: I was asleep, and I woke up like ripping the

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Speaker 1: band aids off, unconscious because you want to go. Before

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Speaker 1: I actually woke up, I was already on them all, dude.

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Speaker 1: The last time I had it bad was I told

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Speaker 1: his story A hunter times by skinned a wild pig

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Speaker 1: Was like the next day, I just had sleeves of

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Speaker 1: shirt in and like actually like finger lines where I

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Speaker 1: had like tucked my wool undershirt in, like finger lines

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Speaker 1: running down my abdomen. Had it on my scroll, had

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Speaker 1: it on my tally. Whacker had it just everywhere, just

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Speaker 1: just awful. And then we went from we went to

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Speaker 1: hunt in Montana after that, and it's like blow zero,

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Speaker 1: so you're laying in your sleeping bag just so you

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Speaker 1: know it's cold, but you it's just like I hate

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Speaker 1: that stuff, man. That seems like the worst. But Yani's

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Speaker 1: got it pretty good now. And we were taking every precaution,

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Speaker 1: and we'd come back and just take off your pants

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Speaker 1: M Um, I feel like I still feel like I

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Speaker 1: When I was I was blacktail hunting down there, and

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Speaker 1: I did the same, you know, just camping though. So

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Speaker 1: I just had a pair of gloves that I always

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Speaker 1: wore anytime I was touching any of my clothes or anything.

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Speaker 1: It was like put the leathern gloves on. But then

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Speaker 1: I shot some mountain quail with my bow and then

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Speaker 1: see the arrow laying over there. I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: arrow back to touching my face. She was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was an expensive expensive birds to shoot at. Because

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Speaker 1: I like, no, I'm not picking this man, I think

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Speaker 1: the next time I do it. I was thinking about, uh,

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Speaker 1: every time I've hunted there every time I hunted in California,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten them in this area, you know. Um, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about trying to use bringing a shipload of

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Speaker 1: latex gloves. Yeah, I think that would work. Just all

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Speaker 1: day long, man, have like a ziplock baggy and just

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Speaker 1: all day long, like putting latex gloves on and just

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Speaker 1: periodically taking the things off, putting said latex cloves on,

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Speaker 1: taking them off. It would probably work because it's always

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Speaker 1: on your your hand, Like right now, I can feel

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Speaker 1: some it hasn't done anything, and it usually it does.

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Speaker 1: I can feel it on my face, but I got

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Speaker 1: some where it pops up with your skins thin, so

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Speaker 1: like my eye socket. I can feel it right here

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Speaker 1: for sure. I bring those, uh like those. I don't

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Speaker 1: alcohol wipes too. I think that that helps. Like they

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Speaker 1: say they say ice apropyl alcohol cut that oil. When

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Speaker 1: you get poison oak. What's happening? And this is something

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about, Doug um my understanding right now.

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Speaker 1: And I want to look at so much to look

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Speaker 1: this up. I was just doing that. Is it poison

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Speaker 1: oak and poison ivy? There's no difference. Are poison ivy

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Speaker 1: and poison oak the same thing I'm on answers dot Com. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is the is the answer poison ivy toxic condra radicans

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Speaker 1: and poison oak toxicondra. Oh diverse. But I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a unbroken cline of integrades across the species, right.

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Speaker 1: I really like that. When you said that earlier, I

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Speaker 1: But he's like, I have this unbroken cline of integrades.

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Speaker 1: You can picture what that means, right. It would be

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Speaker 1: like you got some bird. It's everywhere, but like you

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Speaker 1: look at one in Californi turkey is a good example. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for instance, the wild turkey, the osciola turkey in the

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Speaker 1: eastern there's no genetic barrier, like like an ostiold turkey

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Speaker 1: is is what is known as a subspecies of the

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Speaker 1: wild turkey in the Florida Peninsula. What what you can't

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Speaker 1: see if it? Doug's giving this face like this like

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Speaker 1: oh here we go face. I was just thinking about

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Speaker 1: a conversation that Addison I had earlier about I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to hear about dougs uh purple suburban.

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Speaker 1: But first let me tell you about Dougs purple suburban

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Speaker 1: it was oh sorry, no, please please only it's only

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Speaker 1: my podcast, all right. So, Unbroken Client of Integrates, Eastern

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Speaker 1: turkeys look different than Ostiola turkeys, but there's no gap,

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Speaker 1: there's no like gap where one ends and the other begins.

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Speaker 1: The same thing with mule deer and Columbia blacktails. According

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Speaker 1: to Boone and Crockett, it's I five West five, he's

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Speaker 1: a black tail, East I five he's a mule. Here.

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Speaker 1: You could go for me the blacktail to a muleder

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Speaker 1: they're they're not the same, but they are related, is

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Speaker 1: that right? All right? And it's the reason that that

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Speaker 1: to get a taxonomist to talk about this, but they

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Speaker 1: aren't there, you know, same uh genus, different SPECIs different family,

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Speaker 1: different family. Yeah, Jennifer, so I think you know what

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Speaker 1: Yanni's wife, Yes, his wife's a botanist. What she said,

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Speaker 1: you have different family, the two of them, and then

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Speaker 1: poison Sumac is the whole another one. Yeah, well I

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Speaker 1: same oil. Good I stand corrected. No, No, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: you a right. Steve's right well, and that they're they're

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Speaker 1: they're related. All right, everybody's right, Rammy, you're just off

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Speaker 1: It's like a continent ekind of island giant. It's actually

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Speaker 1: they were the most successful Polynesians. Yeah, I mean apparently

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Speaker 1: they essentially extinct, extinct their food source, which was a

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Speaker 1: moa giant. Yeah, that's what I want to get to.

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Speaker 1: So New Zealand had no mammals except for some bats

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Speaker 1: the mammal niches, like giant grazers four five hundred pound birds. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then top predator was a the hast eagle, which

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Speaker 1: eight five pound birds. So that's like that is a

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Speaker 1: Natural History Museum. You have been there in uh it

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Speaker 1: those eagles had caught the Moa and then crashed into

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Speaker 1: giant all right, So New Zealand the like, there's a

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Speaker 1: to eradicate, you know, all the wildlife, like it happened

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Speaker 1: People tend to show up places with pigs cause all

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like what you're willing to hike. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were in and Shammy. We went through

422
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: private land to access we were hunting public land. I

423
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: think you know the road, well, the road goes through

424
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: the road was like an easymant. Yeah, anybody can drive

425
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: that road. Yeah, we just wasn't even the road really. Yeah,

426
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: we just kind of drove up there basically like you're

427
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: driving on gravel moraines and stuff up well. Yeah, because

428
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: the rivers it's just like you know, Montana rivers public

429
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: between the high water marks. So that's why we drive

430
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: up the river because so yeah, we were there. I

431
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you where it is because you'd

432
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: be screwing Rammy over. But we went into a place

433
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: to hunt and we drove did we drive twenty miles

434
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: upper like just driving up river like very careful. You

435
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: can kind of see where vehicles will go. There's a

436
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: lot of gravel just like askars and moraines, gravel bars.

437
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: You kind of see it now and then you'll see

438
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: like a route sometimes you can't find the route, you

439
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: just pick your way up this river and be just

440
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: like driving up a big braided gravel stream channel. And

441
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: it was those kind of arbitrary where we stop. It

442
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: was like you couldn't really go, Well, there's a point

443
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: where walking is a lot faster, but you want to

444
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: get as far as you can because we had obviously

445
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: a lot of gear camera equipments, like you might as

446
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: well drive up as far as we can and then

447
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: walk from there. Yes, we got where we couldn't go

448
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: any further, and then it's not far up there. Everything

449
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: it just turns into glaciers. Yeah, but you hike from

450
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: there and you're glassing from the valley floor and you're

451
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: glassing up and seeing shammy, which was rare where we

452
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: were at. That's like my little secrets and you're seeing

453
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: tar but it'd be like you're seeing them, but you're

454
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: seeing them, and it's it's a day investment to go

455
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: even begin to try to find one. Yeah, but you

456
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: don't even need a hunting license, No, why you kind

457
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: of do what you need. Well, it's just this thing.

458
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: You don't buy it, but you fill it out online.

459
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: So it's it's they call it a hunting Licen's nothing

460
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: we would think of that. There's no non resident you

461
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: have to have this special permit that says, oh I

462
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: can be in this area. Is free. Yes, it's free

463
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: just online. I know some of that stuff might change

464
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: the future, but as it is right now, you just

465
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: boom pop online. It's interesting because they get you for

466
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: the fishing tag. Well yeah, fishing you gotta pay for.

467
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: And duck shooting. You have to have a hunting license

468
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: for aut geese because they deregulated geese. Yeah. I just

469
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: got a goose with a rifler. Oh yeah, which isn't weird,

470
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: very weird feel Yeah, the last time I was up

471
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: that so I went up. I go up that canyon

472
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: quite a bit just because it's close to where I'm at.

473
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: And I got a double on geese as my rifles. Yeah,

474
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: I gotta. I gotta buddy. And he's like a crack

475
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: commando of a hunter. He's a guy, you know, he's

476
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: a dull sheet guy. He just rounded up a couple

477
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: of friends and they went to New Zealand just all

478
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: on their own. Yeah, he just he just did a

479
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: bunch of research, talked to everybody. Can think of to

480
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: talk to and just like hunted public land. One of

481
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: them got a stag. Everybody got tar. I sent him

482
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: into my tar spot. Yeah you know what I'm talking about.

483
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he uh said, Actually he got into He

484
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: had a good hunt up the place that I always go.

485
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like, you know, just like anywhere.

486
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather hunt the same place five times in a

487
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: new place every time because you just get to learn

488
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of it. And uh, they saw

489
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: some He was telling me about the stag they saw

490
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: in there. I was like, why didn't you shoot it? Man?

491
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I don't know. It just didn't seem

492
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: big enough. And I went in. I went back in

493
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: there right after they left looking for it. I never

494
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: found it. Yeah yeah, yeah, New Zealand trip man. But

495
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I liked it, but it was hard

496
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: for me because there's no um. The animals are missing

497
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: their sort of context. They're sort of historical context. But

498
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's because around the culture so much. Because for me,

499
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: I go there and you know, I like and I

500
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from, Like I've seen the videos

501
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: and heard the stories from the old timers and the

502
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: animals in New Zealand have a very important role in

503
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: the culture and the culture of hunting because well, obviously, okay,

504
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: they're non native, but how many non natives do we

505
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: enjoy here brown trout and pheasants and you know, all

506
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: kinds of things, and so over there the culture of

507
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: hunting is is just different. You gotta like look at

508
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: it through the lens of a native born Kiwi hunter

509
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: where they were not essentially that one who hunts Kiwi's correct.

510
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: Essentially it is based on coaling animals where the animals

511
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: are released, and then they started to overpopulate, correct, And

512
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: so hunting was they would go out and they would

513
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: shoot for meat and then and control the numbers. And

514
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: then it became a huge meat market thing where they

515
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: would go and shoot the animals and sell them. And

516
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: then you got into this era you guys feed like

517
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: you'll go to a guy that owns dogs, he'll just

518
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: have like a little closet. They'll just shoot animals. That's

519
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: why you feed your animals with chunks and meat off.

520
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: It's just like imagine an inexhaustible supply of meat that

521
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: was always available to you, you never had to worry about.

522
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: And so you go there and like venison is so

523
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: accepted there whereas in America it's like this it's a

524
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: hip thing or a new thing or something hunter's eat.

525
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Now everybody eats venis in there. That's that's meat. That's

526
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: what you eat because it's everywhere. You don't have to

527
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: go out and like everybody knows somebody that can go

528
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: shoot meat. You know, you're you raise a point that

529
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: I've actually thought of because I moulled this over my

530
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: head all the time when you bring it, when you

531
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: mentioned pheasant brown show, like for instance, I was I

532
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: was brought up in Lake Michigan, on Lake Michigan, and

533
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: across the lake we're in Wisconsine. Now it's going up

534
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: in Michigan on Lake Michigan, and we grew up fishing

535
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: steel ed co ho king salmon. Okay. Now a guy

536
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: might have come out from California, Alaska, it said to meat,

537
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: but dude, these are just introduced. But to me, it

538
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: was like just an ingrained part of culture and it

539
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: want to be in the I knew, like academically it's like, yeah,

540
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: they're not from here, but they're from here because they've

541
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: always like from my perspective, they were just here you know,

542
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, sure, I accept that they're non native,

543
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: and you think about like people you might hunt peasants

544
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: in some place, your grandpa hunted peasants. It winds up

545
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: being so. But but that's what I'm saying. Like for

546
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: a stumbling block for me, going to New Zealand was

547
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: like like, let me just put this way. If I go,

548
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: let'say go up to hunt cariboo. Okay, I'm very interested

549
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: in sort of the ecological history of caribou traditional use

550
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: patterns among indigenous hunters. Right, the way the animal, like

551
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: the way it just tied into things about how the

552
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: first Americans whoever crossed the barn Land Bridge were probably

553
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: carib hunters, right, I get. I find pleasure in that

554
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: it makes things like relatable to me in in a

555
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: deep sense. To go to New Zealand from an outside perspective,

556
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: I just felt like, yeah, but you just let all

557
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: this stuff go. Yeah, but it felt like it was yesterday,

558
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's not. I mean, there's been you know.

559
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I drew a uh and I could

560
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure, well no,

561
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: actually yet. Red red Deer in New Zealand have been

562
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: there longer than elk have been in the state of Nevada.

563
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: So you draw this coveted Nevada elk tag and you're like, whoo,

564
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: who I just shot a big elk in Nevada and

565
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: you don't even think twice about it. Yet you go

566
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: to New Zealand and the deer have been there twice

567
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: as long. That's right, folks. The media podcast brought to

568
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: you by the New Zealand Chamber of Commerce. So you

569
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: raise a valid point, dude, you raise a valid point.

570
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: It's just when you start talking. If you if you

571
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: talk to people that grew up in that culture. I mean,

572
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: there's so much history of the people there in that

573
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: hunting and the animals and and what it means to

574
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: them that you respect. You're like, okay, you grew up

575
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: doing this. And they have the stories of back when

576
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: they were shooting them, putting them on helicopters and taking

577
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: them out overloaded, and like guys going into Fiordland and

578
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: these wild wild places trying to hunt elk and other things.

579
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: There's actually moose released there. It's yeah, now I don't

580
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where people keep seeing moose

581
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: tracks every once in a while, But there really are

582
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: probably no moose lass. I don't know if there's. There's

583
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: some pretty good hunters and imagine being able to hunt

584
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: all the time and mountainous, rough terrain and not having

585
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: limits whatever. I mean, these guys are probably some of

586
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: the best hunters in the world, to be honest. That dude,

587
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: that dude that we went pig hunt with, Garen, he's

588
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: been around the block. Oh yeah, And I mean the

589
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: guy has killed thousands and thousands of animals and oh yeah,

590
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: that was some of the sketches ground I've ever hund

591
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: a big game. Oh it's it's crazy. I went to

592
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: a place I was last year, and I mean I

593
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: had to cross these glaciers and everything. It's like, where

594
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: else can you go do that besides maybe the Himalayas

595
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: and a few places in Alaska and go hunt hunt

596
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: species that can't be hunted anywhere else in the world.

597
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Really him Lanta at least? All right, Wins, Let's say

598
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,640
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622
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Speaker 1: you're saying stock playing meat in the freezer isn't good enough.

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626
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627
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Speaker 1: do my taxes they make you like save some money,

628
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Speaker 1: so I finally have like money. It's only because it's

629
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630
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632
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Old three kids, Steve, I think

633
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: probably saving it would be a good idea. Now you got,

634
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: I feel like you're saved. For the bicycles, Like I

635
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: feel like I'm buying a new bicycle every two weeks. Now.

636
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: We just bought the new strider bike. You know, I

637
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: was telling you My three and a half year old

638
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: gets a new strider bike, like six weeks ago. We're

639
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: striding along. Everything's going great, she can coast it well.

640
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: She just grabs a pedal bike from her daycare because

641
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: she wouldn't leave it alone. So the daycare owner was

642
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: just like, look, just take this thing home so I'll

643
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: beat up and rusty. She gets home, put her feet

644
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: on it, starts pelling it. Now that thing is so

645
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: beat up that she's like, I need a bigger one.

646
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: Look at the bike. That girl's guy so never ends,

647
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: and you can't really deny them because it's like exercise,

648
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: like you'd be like, no, I'm not buying you a blank.

649
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh and you know what, there's a housekeeping dude. Bat

650
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: we're recording a hotel and the housekeeping guys banging out here. Duke,

651
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: you talk to those guys. Sorry, No, I was just

652
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: saying that the the chess Shire cat grant on her

653
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: face and she's riding that by I got buyer as

654
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: many she could ever want. You know what I'm saying.

655
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: We had a strider and um my kids smoked the

656
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: bearings out of it. I don't want to talk about

657
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand anymore cause I want to talk about something different.

658
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: But anyone have any concluding thoughts. Concluding thoughts, It was

659
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a question and primarily hunts the same Patrick ground he

660
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: grew up on. Yeah, very much. Yeah, that's exactly right.

661
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: I wondered about you said that the government was poisoning

662
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and their shrup shooters and all this. Why don't they

663
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: introduce predators during during World War Two? Well they that's

664
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: the problem. They so the rabbits were a problems, so

665
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: they introduced the weasels, and the the weasels and the ferrets. Well,

666
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: the weasels in the first decided that the native flight

667
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: was bird species are way easier to kill and ethan rabbits.

668
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: That's when they brought it. They brought it. In Hawaii,

669
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: they had the rat they brought in the mongoose to

670
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: take care of. The rats just devastated ground nesting birds.

671
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: So you can garticular the writer Tom Robbins was talking

672
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: about the rat mongoose thing in Hawaii and he said,

673
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: we used to have a crime problem. We brought in cops.

674
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: I know. I just found this out recently though, that

675
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: during World War two, when all the men were away fighting,

676
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: the deer population just exploded. And he actually thought about

677
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: bringing in mountain lions. Yeah, that was a legitimate like solution.

678
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: Would have been all for it, man. Yeah, imagine like

679
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: the shepherds, though, what are they gonna eat? What are

680
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: the deer gonna eat now? Or what are the line

681
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: canna eat because I have been Like, listen, it's a

682
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: crazy zoo. Now anyway, let's just goin. Bengled tigers might

683
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: as want to be something that's semi dangered. You're highly endangered.

684
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: We've got enough mountlines and set some Bengal tigers loose.

685
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it's listen, I don't hear. Here's the thing I

686
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: wanted as for my own wrap up on New Zealand.

687
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I want to do my own thing. One thing I

688
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: felt about New Zealand and I had a blaster there

689
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: and like I'll remember it all the time. I hunted

690
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: a red deer in England and if I could scrub

691
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: the memory from my mind, I would scrub it from

692
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: my mind. No no ider in scott Scotland. If I

693
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: could scrub it from my memory, I would because it

694
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: just wasn't I just didn't care about it. It wasn't

695
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: exciting to me. The system there is not exciting to me.

696
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like you can only hunt like

697
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the games all privately owned. You go all the gamekeeper.

698
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: He's not even supposed to let you touched the gun

699
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: until he lines it all. It's just like yeah, it's

700
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: like it's just it's like Old World. It scrubs all

701
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: the adventure from honing in turns and they get special

702
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: they get dressed up in special clothes. That is about

703
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: the adventure for me in New Zealand. Is That's what

704
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to say. Way adventure. Yeah, it's

705
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: thirty miles up a river valley. Well, can I tell

706
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories that I has ever happened

707
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: out hunting wrap up? Yeah? Okay with a thirty miles

708
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: up the river valley when we sent when you were

709
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: here story? Yeah, bad story because nobody has heard this story.

710
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: This is a very behind the scenes, behind the scenes

711
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: into the into the workings and dealings of meat eater,

712
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: and a story you shoot your shammy and I my

713
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: buddy Ben, who came over from Australia, was he's just

714
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: hunting around and so I said, hey, we need some

715
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: guys to carry equipment, do a little packing. So we've

716
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: got Auzzi Ben carrying cameras and reach our battery. So

717
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: we shoot the shammy and then we send Ben back

718
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: to the vehicles. Two charge some batteries and I'm thinking

719
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: it's past dark and we're back at the hut cooking

720
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: up dinner, and I'm like, man, where is Ben? So? No,

721
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: he was supposed to have been gone longer? No, was

722
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: he okay? Yeah, so he gets back. We thought he'd

723
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: come back the next day. I thought, no, he was.

724
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: He was gonna come back just after a while. And

725
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I and we were all just joking around, like I

726
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: wonder if hopefully Ben is smart enough not to run

727
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: the vehicle out of fuel. And so we're eating and

728
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Ben comes back and he just like doesn't talk to anyone,

729
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: no eye contact, and I got you didn't run the

730
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: vehicle out of fuel, did you? Ben? Just joking around

731
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: and he's like real quiet, and then we do our

732
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: thing or eating. It comes up to me he goes, Renny,

733
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I need to have some words. And I thought I

734
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: thought Ben was pissed that we were making him the grunt,

735
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: like I'm sick of carrying your crap. I'm not gonna

736
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: go up the mountain for tar. I'm like, oh great,

737
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: now he's gonna quit on us. And then I'm like,

738
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: We've got this big production crew. The pressures on me

739
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of orchestrating the whole inner dealings out there,

740
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm like, oh, great, these guys are

741
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: gonna be pissed. He's gonna quit. And he goes, uh,

742
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: REMI I don't know how to tell you this, and

743
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and I'm expecting him to just be like,

744
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm sick of carrying crap and charging batteries. He goes,

745
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: I shot your truck. And I look at him, go,

746
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: what do you mean you shot my truck? And I'm like,

747
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: are you okay? It's like, yeah, well, I was sitting

748
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: there and his vehicle. I guess the power plug wasn't

749
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: working or something. So he gets in my vehicle. He's

750
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: sitting in the passenger seat and we shot some geese

751
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: with We had the shotguns ready for shooting geese. And

752
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, in oz we don't have semi

753
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: automatic weapons. And this dude's an engineer, he's a smart guy,

754
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, we don't have those kind of we don't

755
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: have those kind of trying to figure out how it works.

756
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: So he's sitting there and he's just charging batteries for

757
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: a few hours, just board and he pulls he says,

758
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: he's sitting there. He pulls the thing back, you know,

759
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: the action back, looks in there, pulls it back, and

760
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: he's just sitting there flicking the action click click, click click,

761
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, looks in a few times. Nothing. Oh, there's

762
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: a button on the bottom. Hits the button. Here's a noise. Huh.

763
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: And he's sitting there click click, click, click click, flip

764
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: the action back and forth out of board. Him decides

765
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: to reach down and pull the trigger. Well, there had

766
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: been shells in the magazine, not in the chamber. We

767
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: didn't leave it loaded. But you know it's fine. That

768
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: welts exactly. I mean, you know, I leave shells in

769
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: my magazine. It's not wherever we're at, it's not illegal

770
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: or anything. And he pulls it back, pulls the trigger,

771
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: boom through the foord boards, blows out the fuel lines,

772
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: and he he said that when it went off, his

773
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: like shell shock. He opens the door and he just

774
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: with his barns on the ground, scared. It would have

775
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: to scary half. And then not only that, but now

776
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: smokes billowing out and andress I told them that I

777
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: always knew Australians were good shots because they could shoot

778
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: a truck while it's running. But yeah, so we had

779
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: to tow that and multiple river crossings over rough terrain

780
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: He's like, he didn't blows to off. Well, that's why

781
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I always set the barrels, you know, barrels down. But

782
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: my dad carried shock on pelts in his foot. That's

783
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: what you're saying for just ever got shot? Well, I

784
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: think no, I'll tell im. I'm given a talk tonight

785
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: at the university. I'm gonna talk about that story for

786
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: a minute. So I don't want to. I don't want

787
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: to ruin. Yeah, I don't want blow because you guys

788
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: might be the only people there. You have. Some bitch

789
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier. Remember the worst though, was telling

790
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: how long did it take about eight hours to get

791
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: the v go back? All day? It was all day

792
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: me and you were I was steering the back vehicles,

793
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: just sucking diesel fumes. You're a soldier sucking diesel fumes

794
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: with me for ten hours. I felt so sick after that.

795
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: If I remember, I repeatedly brought up the idea that

796
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: we cut a piece of vacuas it passed the line,

797
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: and someone kept saying, maybe you that once you run

798
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: these kind of vehicles out of gas, that doesn't work

799
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: well because of the diesel engine fixed it and said

800
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: that's not true, you can fix it, right, and I didn't. Yeah,

801
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: well we I don't think we was accidentally right. You

802
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: were accidentally right because we didn't have the proper tools

803
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: to fix it because remember how bent the fuel, I mean,

804
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: everything was. I had no idea what I was talking about,

805
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: but ended up well accident it was. It was more

806
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: of a general like, can't we just pull something from

807
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: somewhere else and patch it up? Theoretically we could have.

808
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a very good mechanic. That's about

809
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: your out. I doubt it. Maybe we should have a contest,

810
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: But I want because I want to talk about why

811
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: Remy came back to wrap up to some people listening,

812
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: because I know I grew up in Michigan and we

813
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: could We couldn't even have the AMMO like with an

814
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: arm's reach. I think of the gun in the car.

815
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Is the rules something? Yeah, because because not in this

816
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: state anymore anymore, because the great governor here got it

817
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: where you don't need to have your guncames no matter

818
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: what else, you don't have to Mackie's. It's it's very

819
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: strict rules on that. And then you move out west

820
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and it's like in a couple of years you're used

821
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: to just having you know, whether it's um, you know,

822
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: shells in your magazine, your shotgun or you know, rifle carts,

823
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: just you know down in your action of your bolt

824
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: action rifle in the back seat of the truck. It's

825
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: like totally anointed, right, we just drive around like that,

826
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: you're going out west. I think, why did I get

827
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: my first shotgun? I think it was eight nine nine

828
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: because it has here's a shotgun, like you can keep

829
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: it in your room, but you can't have shells in

830
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: the magazine. And I was like, but we can have

831
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: him in the magazine when we're driving around. My mom

832
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: was like, my mom drew the line. She's like, you

833
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: can have the gun in your room, but you cannot

834
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: have shells in the magazine. We had guns when we

835
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: were so young. It just seems weird now. Man, we

836
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: drive round on our bikes. Was slung twenty two and

837
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: like I remember, like I didn't even understand the time,

838
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: but certain kids were allowed to hang out with us

839
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: because you guys roll up on our bikes with like

840
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: like those two bed marlin just let's go. Yeah. If

841
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: I remember at that time, you just felt so you're

842
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: like I'm eight, I can have a shotgun, you know.

843
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you have my dad, I just

844
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: don't shoot Robbins. Yeah, we had a long list of

845
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: birds were allowed to shoot. Now I'm embarrassed even saying

846
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: what was on that list? But Chicken's and robbinsf So

847
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: oh one other thing though. The meat there is good, though.

848
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: The tar we killed a favorite, and we killed a

849
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: tar we made. Remember we made tar. That's fun, all right,

850
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: That's what I want to talk about. So, Remy, you

851
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: came back in town because your new shoulders on exactly

852
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: now when I met Remmy, I met Remmy and went

853
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: to hunt in New Zealand with him. Um, you had

854
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: already been doing some television. Yeah, I'd been doing solo

855
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: Hunters for about a year or two years something like that. Then. Yeah, yeah,

856
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: I wanted Remy to come on and be like like

857
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: when I was on vacation. I wanted Remy the host

858
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: meat eater. But stead he's got his whole new damn show.

859
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Now I'll still come on today. We're gonna cook up

860
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing you could think of eat? We've

861
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: already eaten a coy out and I saw you eat

862
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: a monkey. Is there anything just just folks. Yeah, I

863
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: think that can be red fox and hedgehoger on the list,

864
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: not hedgehog groundhog groundhog. Hedgehogs already eating in England. He

865
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: can't kill a hedge hung The two doorable whatever the

866
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: one is back east not the same might be able

867
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: to arrange. It's a good time you're to get them too.

868
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: They spent a lot of time out with the borough

869
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: right now, says now. Rammy has been working with um

870
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: same folks who made make Meat either to launch new

871
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: show Apex Predator. Talk about that, yeah, I mean what

872
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: we were. My thought was, I think if you watch

873
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: Apex Apex Predators just to show, you have to watch

874
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: to understand because it's not necessarily a hunting show, and

875
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: especially coming from a guy like me. My life is hunting,

876
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: but straight hunt, straight hunting. I mean I guide for

877
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: a living. I right for Western hunting articles and magazines.

878
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: I do solo hunters. Well, I want to bring miss up.

879
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I got to here's I want to knowing you from

880
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: reading your articles in Western Hunter and which is which is?

881
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: I said, I want to meet this guy because you'd

882
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: write great articles. I remember you had a great article

883
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: about like you do a lot of stuff like self

884
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: guided stuff, how to like get away from the crowds

885
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: back country junk. You by this, Yeah, this really cool

886
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: article about like trying to find like hunting mule deer

887
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: in high pressure areas in Nevada. It's funny that. Uh. Well,

888
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: when I got the first email from you, you were

889
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: talking about hunting in Montana. I think, you know, looking

890
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: to looking for some ideas in Montana. I was like,

891
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to New Zealand in a month or so.

892
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: I want to join me. Yeah, so I think I

893
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: might even got your contact from Chris Denham Western Hunter magazine. Yeah,

894
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: which is funny because you said the email you know,

895
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you and I had watched um now I can't remember

896
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: the name. Uh yeah, and I love that show, and

897
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I it was funny because I've been talking about that

898
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: show before I got your email, and I was like,

899
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: that's strange. The guy that's on that show just send

900
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: me an email. It's like most random email I've ever received, probably,

901
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: but it turned out being pretty cool. You're able to

902
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: go to New Zealand and so that we met and

903
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I really wanted to work with you.

904
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: More so talk about apex though, like like just give

905
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: the I mean, get what it is, Okay, So what

906
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: is the study of It's it's looking at the way

907
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: humans are have become or are the top predators. And

908
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of factors that go into it. But

909
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: I have this thought that we can look at like

910
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: if you look at every animal on the planet, they're

911
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: all they all fill a niche. They're specially adapted. They

912
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: do something specific to survive, and that's how they get

913
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: by surviving, whether it's a predator animal or a prey animal.

914
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: They all feel a certain spot and they're all really

915
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: good at something. But it's humans. We can look at

916
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: something nature has specialized in and try to mimic it

917
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: for our own hunting tactics, our own hunting style or

918
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: it really like the more we do the show, it

919
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: amazes me how much we actually compare or can compare

920
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: to these animals that we think are our way out

921
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: of our league or hunt so different than us. We've

922
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: taken a lot of tactics and a lot of things

923
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: from a lot of different aspects of nature. And one

924
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: of one of the things that got me thinking about

925
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: doing a show like this, I was hunting elk in

926
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: Montana and it was the very first time I saw

927
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: a wolf. And I'm I'm walking, I see this wolf.

928
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: It was thirty yards away. And at this point this

929
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: is before you saw wolves, and you know, yeah, this

930
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, I was a static. I've never

931
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: seen a wolf in my life and this was awesome

932
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of looking at me. I get

933
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: my video camera out, I'm like trying to film it

934
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: and cool. I saw a wolf today. So I go

935
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: and I've been This was in the Bittteret Valley in Montana.

936
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: Don't remember what year it was. I can think it was,

937
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: uh two thousand and two, yeah, something like that, maybe

938
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: two thousand, yeah, two thousand and you know. And so

939
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: I see this wolf and I and I've been hunting

940
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: this specific bull elk. I passed up a lot of elk.

941
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: I was hunting one big bull that was behind my place.

942
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: So I see the elk out on this far ridge.

943
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: So I walk around and I get set up and

944
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm on the back side of this ridge and the

945
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: herd elks there. Well, sure enough, here comes the wolf

946
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: finding the same elk. And I only saw the one,

947
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he was just hunting alone,

948
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: which a lot of people always talked about him hunting

949
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: in packs. Most of the all the elk that I've

950
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: witnessed get killed by wolves have been single wolves. Never

951
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: seen a pack attack wolves. I've only I've seen four

952
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: elk kill old personally just visually watched elk getting killed.

953
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: They've all been by single wolves. No two cows, tubols,

954
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: two spikes, two cows tubles, and so anyways, the wolf

955
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: goes and gets the elk running, and I'm like, damn it.

956
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: And it's a hot early September days, but I thought,

957
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I just in my mind, I was like, I know

958
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: this area so well. I know where those elk are going.

959
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: And they had this up and down, up and down,

960
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: up and down, and you watch them come up just

961
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: after the first rise. Their tongues are hanging out there.

962
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've seen it. You know, like they

963
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 1: it's like running a horse up hill. They get tired fast.

964
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: A lot of people, don't you think, like you could

965
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: never catch up to an elk. And I thought, I'm

966
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: just gonna run straight up this ridge and try to

967
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: cut them off. So I literally started sprinting to the

968
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: top and I get to where I mean it's probably

969
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: I think it's five six miles away, but I just

970
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: ran up to the top, took my route. I could

971
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: see them going up and down the ridges, and I

972
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: get to the spot where I think they're coming up,

973
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: and they are dead tired by this point. They're walking,

974
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: their tongues are hanging out the vein. You can see

975
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: the veins in their face like they just looked gassed.

976
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: And I stand behind a tree and all the elks

977
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: start walking by, just looking about half dead tired. At

978
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: probably the furthest or twenty yards, whip out my camera.

979
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: I take a few pictures, and the bull never showed up.

980
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: And I think what happened was because his antlers were

981
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: so heavy, he took a different route he went down,

982
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: because I ended up walking down and seeing two other

983
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: bulls that were smaller, lower, But it just put into

984
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: my mind at that point that's exactly how the wolf

985
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: would hunted him. And I would have never thought in

986
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: a million years you could catch up to her. Everybody says,

987
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: once you spook elk, they're gone ten miles, you'll never

988
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: ever find them again. People are right, but well and

989
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: in a heavy timber it's fairly open open country, but

990
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: they do get gas. I mean they don't have the

991
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: ability to sweat like we do, or they're they're a

992
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: large animal running in the heat up steep up and

993
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: down steap mountains. Just by knowing the terrain and other things,

994
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: I was able to catch up to him, and had

995
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: the bull gone that route, I would have killed it.

996
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: You know, I got some cool picture. I still have

997
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: that picture on my fridges, like the first time and

998
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: and then walking. Uh you know, so fast forward a

999
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: few years. I was out guiding one day and I

1000
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: you know, as a guide you have to get really

1001
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: good at killing elk in a certain amount of time,

1002
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: so you know, like you can't mess up. You know

1003
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: where they hide, where they do this where you have

1004
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: to know them so well because each week we're killing

1005
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: to public land elk for ten weeks, which you just

1006
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: gotta be on it. So I know these elk pretty

1007
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: l and I have certain routes that I walk in

1008
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: certain mountains because I know where they perform. Like you

1009
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: look at the whole mountain, the elk will be in

1010
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: one spot. You know, you could be a million acres

1011
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be on a hundred of it, and

1012
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: you get the sense that if you killed every elk

1013
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: on that mountain range and letting new elk come in,

1014
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: they would do the same. Right. And I have a

1015
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: certain way that I walk this ridge because I know

1016
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: the way that the thermals go in the morning, the winds,

1017
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: the way that I can come in through the trees

1018
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: and be hidden at this point where they like to bed.

1019
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Then I walk up and new this. So I'm walking

1020
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: my route which has worked forever, and I see some

1021
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: wolf tracks and it surprised me. The wolf was hunting

1022
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: that mountain the exact same route that I take. So

1023
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: here's another hunter that hunts every day. And it's like

1024
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: I figured out something like it's it was just like

1025
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: we are so similar we hunt. He knows where these

1026
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: elk bed two, he knows the route, he knows, and

1027
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: we're hunting them in the exact same fashion. It was

1028
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: crazy to me, and so I started thinking about it, thought, Okay,

1029
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: what other animals can we learn from or annulate? Like

1030
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: if if I had just watched how the wolf did things,

1031
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: I would probably come to the conclusion that took me

1032
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: ten years to figure out this route, And here he's

1033
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: hunting every day. He has this knowledge, and as predators,

1034
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: we do things in a very similar way. And so

1035
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: I thought, what other animals are out there that I

1036
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: can learn from? What tactics can I take away from

1037
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: an alligator or a great blue heron or a river otter?

1038
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: And we we one time we're in Michigan's up and

1039
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: we watch river otters catching fish. Look what the hell

1040
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: they catch? It realized were catching giant perch out of

1041
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: this river. And then it went back and clock perch.

1042
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: We didn't never know about that. Spotts. Just yeah, I

1043
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: had no idea. And you probably see You probably see

1044
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: where the lines and the like. You know, fish will hold.

1045
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: It's the same even in the ever certain fish will

1046
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: hold certain currents. Because what I do a lot before

1047
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: I go. If I go to a new river, I

1048
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: put on snarkele and I float down the river and

1049
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: see visually where the fish are and how they're holding.

1050
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: And then I go and walk up that river, and

1051
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: I catched ten times the amount of fish because I

1052
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: know exactly where those fish are sitting, Like I know

1053
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: the seemed casting because you know where the big fish

1054
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: are in the river and other things. But even just

1055
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: by if you just watch the otter, like what what

1056
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: lines or is he taking because that's the line where

1057
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: the fish are holding, you can you can learn a lot.

1058
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: So how many so how many predators you like in

1059
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: an apex predator? How many predators you guys explore? So

1060
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: far we've done We've done six. And when we're talking

1061
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: about name, you know, I see it as looking at

1062
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: all of nature other things, not necessarily predators, because I

1063
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: think that there's prey animals that could I mean, think

1064
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: of our camouflage patterns and other things. I mean, it's

1065
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: not just humans are essentially an apex predator, and I

1066
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: first want to look at predators, but also take a

1067
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: look at other animals that necessarily may not be apex

1068
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: predators or or it could be predators could be non predators.

1069
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: But so far we've looked at the golden eagle, the wolf,

1070
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: the river otter, the great blue heron, and that Catlin

1071
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: painting about the wolf skins, which yeah, that's the famous

1072
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: Catlin painting. Words, uh he painted it cause two dudes, right,

1073
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: Indians hiding under wolf skins. And that you see that

1074
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: right there is looking and and that falls within the

1075
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: way that we're looking at it because obviously they observed

1076
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: animal behavior and figure it out a way to make

1077
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: it work for them. I mean, as you mentioned in

1078
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: that episode, the bison when they see an upright human,

1079
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: know that if they run, they're safe because the humans

1080
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: can't jim. But if they run from the wolf, the

1081
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: way the wolf hunts is by getting to run. If

1082
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: they stand there, the wolf want attack them because it

1083
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: knows it's outweighed, outmatched. So they saw, oh, when the

1084
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: wolves are there, the bison stand there, let's throw a

1085
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: wolf skin over our back and then we can spear

1086
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: them or shoot them with our bows or whatever. Yeah.

1087
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: I know that, Like that has to be just like

1088
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: direct observation, direct observation. Yeah, and then there's the thought of, well,

1089
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: the first episode was the Alligator and and that one, like,

1090
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: so what days APEX on Thursday eight p m. Yeah,

1091
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: so it's say, I feel like it's the same slot

1092
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: it is. So that's what I'm just riding your way.

1093
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: It was not on the air right now. APEX is

1094
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: on there you guys only run one. It's probably on

1095
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: repeat a little bit. Yeah, it's uh eight, and then

1096
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: it's sometime in the morning. And then so you did

1097
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: the Alligator One, which as cool as hell the alligator

1098
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: and then this week talk about that talk about like

1099
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: like in the Alligator one, like Remy hangs outs. People

1100
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: who know a lot about alligators, they kind of talk

1101
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: about their stress. How would you describe an alligators hunting stress?

1102
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: I I describe an alligator strategy as there they're a

1103
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: lion weight predator. But the way I see it is

1104
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: they're a living trap that goes and sets themselves. It's

1105
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: it's just like what I could relate their hunting strategy

1106
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: to the best is either trapping or stand hunting. They

1107
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: aren't uh a spot in stock type animal. They like

1108
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: where a lion sees the prey, sneaks in and kills it.

1109
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: The alligator is just based on patients and that's something

1110
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: Western hunters like myself do not have. I have happy

1111
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: feet when you can go a hundred miles if you

1112
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: if someone's like, you can go a hundred miles if

1113
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: you wanted, and you're gonna go a hundred miles to

1114
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: my own well, I shouldn't say to my own detriment

1115
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: because it makes me happy. Yeah, but at times to

1116
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: my own detriment as a guy that wants to be

1117
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: a successful hunter. I walked too much. But then I

1118
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: can't be like what, I should be less happy? Right,

1119
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: I should be less happy and walk less. It's like

1120
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: I just like the right. But anyways, yeah, they don't gators.

1121
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: The gators don't. And then so we set up the task.

1122
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: The way the show is is we set up I

1123
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call them challenges because what I'm trying to

1124
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: do is learn from the lens of that animal because originally, well,

1125
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you're starting a new show, You've got

1126
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: these ideas in your head of how it's gonna work out,

1127
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't ever happen like that. Especially let's

1128
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: go try to grab a pig with our hands, with

1129
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: my hands in the swamps of Florida, and the focus

1130
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: was on the task of grabbing the pig, and what

1131
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: it turned out to be was learning from the alligator.

1132
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, that should be the point. What am I

1133
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: trying to learn here? Because it was about the patients,

1134
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: It was about setting the trap and really blending in

1135
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: with the environment. Because the way the show works is

1136
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: we look at the animal and then we go and

1137
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: do what I like to call the training aspect, or

1138
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: the human comparison aspect where we compare humans to that animal.

1139
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: Why can the alligator lay in the water right what

1140
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: so long? And his vision is good? And like what

1141
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: makes it that you can't lay in the water like that? Yeah,

1142
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: you was like freezing your ass off. Yeah, you think

1143
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: about it. Humans can get hypothermian seventy degree bathwater, which

1144
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: is you think about uh, yeah, right now, you do.

1145
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: Your body does degreat and is when we did the

1146
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: test with the broad jump and and the body temperature,

1147
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: your body temperature goes down pretty fast and you lose

1148
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: your heat quickly. You lose your full physical potential within

1149
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: five minutes. IM not saying that you can perform the task,

1150
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: but you aren't. What you where the alligator can sit,

1151
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: They sit out all day and they can conserve that

1152
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: energy for hours and hours and hours because they have

1153
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: a slow heart rate, they're cold blooded, so they heat

1154
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: up and then they and they essentially assume their environment.

1155
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: And that's a lot a lot of this show. I

1156
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: find things that are very similar between animals that kind

1157
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: of put into the perspective of me as a human

1158
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: of how to assume the environment and be more natural.

1159
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: You think about you ever be out hunting and an

1160
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: animal just like looks in your direction or whatever and

1161
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: it knows you're there, And you think, how does this

1162
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: animal even know? They can't register, right, And I think

1163
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with how even even walking,

1164
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: Like there's certain people that walk through the woods and

1165
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: the animals start running, or another person that could walk

1166
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: through the woods and it doesn't bother them. And I

1167
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of how you meld into your

1168
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: environment and kind of kind of movements, the how familiar

1169
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: are with with the area in the land and other things.

1170
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of things that I've noticed

1171
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: throughout predators that I wouldn't have noticed without doing us.

1172
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of it is just go ending with

1173
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: your environment being comfortable, and a lot of things about

1174
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: us as humans that, oh man, we actually are a

1175
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: lot better at some of these things with if we

1176
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: we could train to do it as well as some

1177
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: of these other animals. Yeah, like you guys, Wolf episode,

1178
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: when's that coming up? That's coming? Yeah, that's not this

1179
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: next one, but the following. So this Wolf episode, Remy's

1180
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: exploring the idea of of chase the elk like a

1181
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: wolf does. Just like that you just get on them

1182
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: and just go and go and go and go and

1183
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: go and eventually can and Remy goes into this place

1184
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: to test is uh v I T max max Like

1185
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: how well you It's like, how will you take in

1186
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: process oxygen? Right? Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's your It

1187
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: measures your endurance capabilities. It doesn't necessarily measure how it's

1188
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: just like your your endurance potential. So what you can

1189
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: potentially do if you trained up to it, like how

1190
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: well you can pull into restore depleted muscles doctor exactly? Yeah,

1191
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: and where your where your body goes in and you

1192
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: had a good score. But the dude, but then the

1193
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: dude tells you what a wolf has and it's yeah,

1194
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: you can't you can't even compare to it. It's like

1195
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna right, You're not going to compare.

1196
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: You never going to run like a wolf. But I

1197
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: start breeding that into you. I guess at what is

1198
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: like what was yours? What's the wolfs? Remember my VO

1199
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: two max was like eighty three point three and the

1200
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: wolves can be over three hundred. But then you see

1201
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: the other thing that I learned though, is some of

1202
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: the stuff, a lot of it's just genetic or because

1203
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: the eight three point three I guess they did. Like

1204
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong was like eighty six while he was blood

1205
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: doping or something like that. Like it's in mine just

1206
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: so happened to be naturally high. It's just like in

1207
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: the top probably one percentile of people. But I think

1208
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: that's pretty genetic because my family's I'm just in a

1209
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: family of Durrance type athletes. Even like my grandma's finished

1210
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: iron Man's over the age of fifth. Yeah, now she's

1211
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: like seventy now, but she still she still goes every

1212
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: year for her birthday, she goes and hikes this we

1213
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: hike this big mountain. Just like she'll do that forever,

1214
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: I would think, as long as she can. But a

1215
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: lot of it, Yeah, and then there's aspects where you

1216
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 1: can't even compare to these animals. But we have the

1217
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: advantage of it all comes down to our brains. We

1218
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: can devise ways to improvise. Where these animals have to

1219
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: rely on their natural ability, we can kind of we

1220
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: can strategize exactly, borrow things, create things, and try to

1221
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: outthink things. You like to think you could out smart

1222
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: an elk or deer. Sometimes it's a lot harder than

1223
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: then you anticipate. I think it's a big part of hunt.

1224
01:08:54,240 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: I think that what's the show demonstrates to me like

1225
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: a type of reverence for wildlife. But I think it's

1226
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: essential for a hunter and a half. Like I I'll

1227
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: talk about my old man earlier, like we would have

1228
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: you know what we were supposed to shoot and didn't shoot.

1229
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: And um, he's been dead a long time. I remember,

1230
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: like he was. He has such a like myopic vision

1231
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: about wildlife that if it wasn't a game bird, it

1232
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: was a tweetie bird, right, no fault to him. Like

1233
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: he didn't grow up in a hunting you know, he

1234
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: invented hunting for our family. You know, he didn't grow

1235
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: up in a hunting household. He was raised by the

1236
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: Italian immigrant grandparents, you know, like they just like the

1237
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: last thing on their minds appreciating wildlife to live in Chicago,

1238
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: trying to make ends meet. Very modest upbringing during the Depression. Right,

1239
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: So he didn't learn that, Like I try to teach

1240
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: my kids to like really love wild life, you know,

1241
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: And I haven't introduced him to the idea of that

1242
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: there's desirable and non desirable. You know. It's like learn

1243
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: your birds love wild life. Like a lot of hunters. Man,

1244
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: it's like really easy to get in that sort of

1245
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: like good guy, bad guy attitude. I remember I duck

1246
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: hunt with some guys and they had in their mind

1247
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: there was mallards and there's a term scrap duck, you

1248
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: know which I think it's like a it's disrespectful. Yeah,

1249
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: it breeds a sort of disrespect to be that um like,

1250
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: oh if you if if there's no use to me, right,

1251
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: if this species is of no immediate used to me

1252
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: as a hunter, it doesn't warrant my observation. Yeah, And

1253
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: I think there is that approach, but how many I

1254
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of hunters. Well maybe I'm just talking

1255
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: about myself here, but I love every aspect of being

1256
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: out there. It's not just that one animal. It's hunters

1257
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: a lot. It's hard to explain to non huns because

1258
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: hunters love animals. I've always admired animals. That's the reason

1259
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: that I started hunting, because I liked animals so much.

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: But for me, it was I remember being a kid

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: flipping through those animal cards or animal fact sheets like

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: I would collect them. I would My thing was animals.

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: I loved figuring out what they did, how they lived.

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: And that's why when I got into hunting, it was

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01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: I could become a part of their system. And that's

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: what really felt cool to me is I liked the

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: idea of when I first went out hunting, almost this

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: feeling of when I shot a bird, it was now

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: it was now my bird that I was a part of.

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01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: Like the birds are out there, I could see the

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01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: animals at a distance, but now hunting it put me

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: in that situation where that bird is now mine. Now

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: I can eat that bird. And it was just this

1274
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: cool feeling of being a part of it, like immersed,

1275
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: not just looking at so hard to explain. No, I

1276
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: was recently having this conversation I was out hunting with

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: the first time hunter, and I was explaining that, um,

1278
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: that upstore of the opposite of a Buddhist, you know,

1279
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: because what I do like I interested. I try to

1280
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 1: be interested in all animals. I try to study all animals.

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01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: But I always it always for me, And just like

1282
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: Apex Predator the show, it always winds up being like

1283
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: sort of like coming back around to in some way me,

1284
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: like what does it mean for me? Like I love

1285
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: a piece of information that when you hear pintes, like you, like,

1286
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: if you're not a hunter, you might be out in

1287
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: the woods and here pine squirrel chattering, pine sculs chatter,

1288
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: and and I hear it. But what I hear is

1289
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: that pine squirrels pissed about something. And he might be

1290
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: pissed about something far away. And I mean, he's not

1291
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: pissed about me. Something is pissing that thing off. It

1292
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: could be I've heard him mark out. They really bark

1293
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: at bears, right, So, like you hear that, and that's

1294
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: like sending a message to me. So I'm interested in

1295
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. I've eating them, but I don't like hunt

1296
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: pine squirrels. I'm interested in pine squirrels. I want to

1297
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: know everything I can know about them. I was fascinated

1298
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: to hear that they're a big predator of snowshoe hairs,

1299
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: when leading snowshoe hair predators whiter, and that when they chirp,

1300
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: they're pissed at something and it's not a noise you

1301
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: should ignore. It was an animal over there making him

1302
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: real mad. So I love them for their own sake,

1303
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: but I do internalize it in some way where I'm like, Okay,

1304
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: I like this animal, but what does he mean to me?

1305
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: What does he mean for mean the same way I

1306
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: have many times found dead animals and other interesting things

1307
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: by just observing, Like you see a bunch of ravens

1308
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: up and tree circling around getting all excited, probably some

1309
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm dead laying over there. I have a multi tool

1310
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: that I still own that I was just watching a

1311
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: bunch of ravens once and walked over there and found,

1312
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, four four moose hoves in a multi tool. Yeah,

1313
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: some dude like gut into moose and left his multitol

1314
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: land there. And so I'm like, yeah, I dig ravens.

1315
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: I liked their body language and and and and you know,

1316
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: I just can't help but personalize it and apric predators

1317
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: cool because like it just it acknowledges that, like you

1318
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: look at one like Heron's, you know, what is what

1319
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: is the heron doing when he's staying it out there?

1320
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: Like why? Like how does he do what he does? Yeah?

1321
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: So I'm saying mean, it's like you look at it

1322
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: and it just is a reasonable question, like how does

1323
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: he do what he does? And the other thing is

1324
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: you look at the heron and he just how different

1325
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: does that bird look than other birds quite a bit different,

1326
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: Like why is he look like that? Where? What what

1327
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: process made him the largest? What process made him like?

1328
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: And you look at the way and sometimes you look

1329
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: like I always thought my assumption of the heron and

1330
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: just a naive assumption that I would see him when

1331
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm out fishing, and I always just on the heron's

1332
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 1: And so one of the reasons I wanted to do

1333
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: the heron is because I remember seeing that burden, thinking

1334
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: like as a as a kid, going it's it's a dinosaur.

1335
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: It looks crazy. And then as a fisherman, how many

1336
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,799
Speaker 1: times you're out there seeing her and you you almost

1337
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of curse the hero and like he's taking your

1338
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: fish because you see him as like, it's so easy.

1339
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: If I could just go spear these fish, I would

1340
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: have like I would and I've got this rod and

1341
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble catching fish, and I look over and

1342
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: this heron's got a five pound trout watchings throat. It's

1343
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: about to die, you know, and you look at it,

1344
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: and I always I had this naive assumption that the heron,

1345
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: it was easy for the heron, He's just spear these

1346
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: fish and he could pretty much have his pick like

1347
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: he was taking my fish. He barely had to work

1348
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: for it. So I kind of almost I liked them,

1349
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: and I thought, wow, that'd be cool to be able

1350
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: to do. But I almost had this as a fisherman,

1351
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: this weird. Oh he's he's My friends that were big

1352
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: trout fisherman. They'd carry a pistol to shoot at river

1353
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: rotters and and and so doing this, I go okay.

1354
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: So that my assumption going into the heron episode was Oh,

1355
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: this is a crazy I'm just gonna be up there

1356
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: and spearing fish. And then I started watching. I really

1357
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: started looking at the herons, and most of the things

1358
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: they were eating is just small, like they were scrounging

1359
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: for their food. And then I go and attempt to

1360
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: be like the heron, which seems ridiculous, as like I

1361
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: put some stilts on and get in the river, and

1362
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: I had so much trouble it wasn't even funny. And

1363
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: I realized, I see why the heron is scrounging for

1364
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: food because it's not easy. It's life is not easy.

1365
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: It's a big body bird that has to catch a

1366
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of food in difficult situations. So they will catch

1367
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: anything exactly. I mean they spend all day, a lot

1368
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: of times all night just trying to scrounge up a meal.

1369
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,839
Speaker 1: And when I thought it would just be this crazy

1370
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: mission of going out there and having all the advantage,

1371
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: you realize, okay, this is the heron's life. And then

1372
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of things on Okay, Yeah, you

1373
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: have to be patient, you have to pick your spot well,

1374
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: you have to take advantage of opportunities. Yeah, used to

1375
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: like a washing machine, how they have the tub for

1376
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: afraid to tub a washing machine? He just pulls steel

1377
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: ones pull the steel tubs and used to make him

1378
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: out of steel and just set in the water with

1379
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: a couple of bricks in it. If you guys are hearing,

1380
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: like what sounds like just a constant scratching and rattling.

1381
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: That's that's Dark Durn playing with his headset trying to

1382
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: the coff into the microphone. All right. So my man

1383
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: had this these steel washed up and he used him

1384
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: for a live well. So we just set it in

1385
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: the water and put a couple of bricks in a

1386
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: bottle to keep them float away. And as we caught

1387
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: bluegills on our dock where I grew up. We'd throw

1388
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: them in the live well and then when there was

1389
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: enough to bother scaling him and flat him'd scaled the

1390
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: flamm It's per phrase. They're getting aeration, you know. And

1391
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: Herron's used to land way down the beach and pull

1392
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: a painstaking stock on that on live well. They never

1393
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: just got like they never understood there. They're like they

1394
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: laying way down and they just starts sneaking and sneaking

1395
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: and sneaking to get up wet bluegill, you know. Fun

1396
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: to watch man. Yeah, but they had to like reach

1397
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: over the edge, you know, to get down in there.

1398
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: But they pick it up the vibration from the fish

1399
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: or something, you know. Yeah, I think that they have

1400
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: almost like polarized but he's not scenes, he's not seen,

1401
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: so they're underneath under the water, perfect steal top. But

1402
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they would I don't know, they would

1403
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: just steal the vibrations with their feet or something. They would. Yeah,

1404
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: they didn't know that those fish were there, because that's

1405
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: what even in the muddy water, there's a lot like

1406
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: the Herons would actually walk and kick up small prey

1407
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: and then they essentially jab where they thought, oh it's

1408
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: going like a bone fish does they just kind of

1409
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: like push things up with their feet and then as

1410
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: they felt to swim away, go for it. But it's

1411
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: a lot. They also have to deal with things that

1412
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,879
Speaker 1: we have to deal with as well, like water refraction

1413
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: and and and other things that make it hard spearfish

1414
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: underwater when you're above and then imagine not having good

1415
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: water visibility or clarity or low densities just makes it.

1416
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: It's a hard knock life for the hero. And when

1417
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: you think you look at him on the beach gun

1418
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: that mastard he is, he's got it made and it's

1419
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: not the case all the time. No, that's good stuff, man,

1420
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: Thursday's Thursday eight pm. Watch it. And then what's really

1421
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: cool is if you don't have television, Oh we forgot

1422
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: to say it's on sports, it's not. It's not the

1423
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: same network, same networks, same time. So if you I

1424
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 1: wonder you may be have Tevo meat eater, like maybe

1425
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's on that time slaughter, if it's

1426
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: on the name, and it may just pop. It's probably

1427
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: on the name though. But if you are a meat

1428
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: eater fan, which most people listening I imagine are, you

1429
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: can just tune into the same same BAT time, same

1430
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: bat channel. And if bugs want to check you out

1431
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, what should they do at Remy Warren

1432
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: or Apex Predator TV. But see, I'm I'm more of

1433
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: a non traditional media user myself traveling all the time,

1434
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: like to watch stuff on Netflix, internet based stuff. So

1435
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: the bonus part is if you don't have the network

1436
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: or you don't have TV, you can go to Apex

1437
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: Predator dot tv and just click on by the episode

1438
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: or the season and the time it airs that x

1439
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: HX deal. So when it airs on Sportsman's channel like

1440
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: that week, you get it in your inbox so you

1441
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: can go. You don't have to wait till the end

1442
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: of the season. But like med Meat Eater dot vh

1443
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: X dot TV, go to Apex Predator dot TV. That's it, yep,

1444
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: and then it'll there's the link for the vh X.

1445
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: It's all right there and you get it and it'll

1446
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: I think it downloads it for eight thirty pm. You

1447
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: get you can download. Can you buy a single episode?

1448
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: You can buy a single episode or I'm pretty sure

1449
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: you can get the seats checking out and you don't

1450
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: have to wait till the end. You just oh, Yeah,

1451
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: while everyone else is watching it, you just wait thirty

1452
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:21,440
Speaker 1: minutes boom, got it. For those that don't don't have television,

1453
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: which there's probably quite a few out there that don't, Yeah,

1454
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: it's worth that. You'll learn that much worth of stuff. Yeah, definitely.

1455
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: If you want to see those old meteor episodes with

1456
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: Remy and Steve in that sweet New Zealand country we're

1457
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: talking about, you can go to meat Eater dot those

1458
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: checks dot tv and it's in volume three, Or if

1459
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: you go to the meat eater dot com you'll find

1460
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: links to go find and download those episodes. Yeah, and

1461
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: we sell like meatias are up in these little blocks

1462
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: of they're all on one block, the New Zealand by

1463
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: all the New Zealand shows, and you'll be able to

1464
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: see like a lot of the stuff we covered about

1465
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: New Zealand. It's kind of like if you watch those

1466
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: all together, you'll kind of get you know, you'll get

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Speaker 1: the kind of you'll get the pictures. Those are some

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01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes that just the visual it just

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01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: looks awesome. Oh and then crossing the River was pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: I rewatched those ones all the time. I'm like that

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01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 1: other great man we had a mo. Yeah, he diamond

1472
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: done a good job. He's like just a great, great

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01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: cinematographer and he shot those episodes that are beautiful. Man,

1474
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have tieden that rope to you, but I

1475
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: don't care. We did it, gone and done it. Yeah.

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Step one, never tire yourself to a rope across the river.

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01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 1: I don't know litel tale all right. Concluding thoughts Yanni. Oh,

1478
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: Yanni's got his Hunt to Eat T shirt on go

1479
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: to um, go to what is it? Hunt to eat

1480
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: dot com? Go buy one of Yanni's T shirts Hunt

1481
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: to Eat dot com. Thank you, that's realness. Concluding thought Reby,

1482
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go by Hunt Deep T shirt and then

1483
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: are you really? Yeah? I like this one, y'all. He

1484
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: never has him in stock. He sells them out faster

1485
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: they can print them. They look pretty soon. We have

1486
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: we have something that hopefully by the time this this

1487
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: podcast airs the back tomorrow will be back in stock

1488
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: yet dot com by no buy Yanni's T shirts and

1489
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 1: then because then Yanni's gonna take all of his money

1490
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: and invested in well Front the bicycles and and uh

1491
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: fantasy football or baseball, and then he's gonna come out

1492
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: in New Zealand. Concluding thoughts, Yeah, I mean if you

1493
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: don't worry about Yanni, don't worry about Yanni hunting. Oh,

1494
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm not worried because he Yan used to be a

1495
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: hunting guy that he came to work with us. But

1496
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: the other day we had a day off, just all

1497
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: got a turkey. See, I don't he don't worry about that.

1498
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: If you have not seen apex print, you have to

1499
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: check it out and you can do so on apex Printer,

1500
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: got TV or Sportsman Channel. So what's the website though,

1501
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: apex Prader dot TV, www dot apex Prader dot tv. Easy, Yeah,

1502
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: anybody can remember that. And then obviously if we've got

1503
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about the show is our web videos.

1504
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: If you want to have a good laugh or see

1505
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: something crazy, you have to check out our web video.

1506
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: You have to go check out some content. You can

1507
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: see what Remy looks like. We've got some good I

1508
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: am not married, Remy is still in the market. I

1509
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: am single. Wow, ladies, you know what, but that's that's

1510
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: what you get when you travel around seven. I just

1511
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: turned thirty a few weeks ago. Do you have a

1512
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: large investment portfolio. Yeah, I've got a large portfolio. He's

1513
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: got a huge investment portfolio. Single for freezers, for freezers,

1514
01:24:52,040 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: good looking kids, doug dogs, married dots. I'm excited about

1515
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: this deal on the Apex Predator because I don't have

1516
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: cable anymore, and so I'm did you buy one of

1517
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Yanni's T shirts? Yeah, that's the next thing I'm doing

1518
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: to XL. You know, we have a dozen stocked stock,

1519
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: same price the other on. It doesn't cost any extra

1520
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: to be a big guy. So it's dollars plus three

1521
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: bucks to buy one of Remmy shows. Bucks you'll be

1522
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: looking good and watching good. All right. That's it. I

1523
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: don't have any concluding thoughts. Michael Cluey thought is, um,

1524
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: we get a lot of people who are always uh

1525
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: um righting in to ask like a good bang for

1526
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: your buck elk hunt because they want they live in

1527
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: the East, they might to go out and do an

1528
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: elk hunt. Check out Rammy two for that. You know,

1529
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: good elk hunts, affordable elk khunts. I'm pretty pretty jam packed,

1530
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: all right. Don't go talk to Remmy, but just go

1531
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: out and if you go out and hunt ducks. Plays

1532
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: coming from the bank went from the backside and shoot giant.

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01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Wait until the ducks place. Go to the boat. Uh,

1534
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: go with the boat and hunt weekdays. You have your

1535
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: placed yourself. No one's gonna hear nothing, say nothing, all right, kids,

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01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: thank you for listening.