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Speaker 1: is to zero one five one three. I am Russ Salzburg,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants app and Paul um all things considered,

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, when you lose the game, you want

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Speaker 1: to get right back out there and you know try

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Speaker 1: and erase it. But I think um the bye comes

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Speaker 1: at a good time. Yeah, you can debate in but

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Speaker 1: I think that for everybody, I think the bye comes

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Speaker 1: at a good time. Maybe get some people healthy, which

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Speaker 1: certainly has indeed been a problem. Get some people healthy

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Speaker 1: and just regroup mentally and physically. I'll take it from

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Speaker 1: a practical perspective. Uh, you still need to figure out

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Speaker 1: if Shepherd's coming out of the protocol. You still need

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Speaker 1: to figure out when Ingram is gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: play again. Remember he had the boot on his foot

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Speaker 1: last week, So you know, those are two very important

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Speaker 1: offensive weapons we still haven't seen. By the way, for us,

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Speaker 1: this is ten games in. We have yet to see

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Speaker 1: the Giants full compliment of offensive players as they expected

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Speaker 1: to have going into opening day, not once. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm saying to you the bye all things considered. I'm

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Speaker 1: not just talking about losses all things considered. Health. Listen,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about you know, Solder with the concussions,

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Speaker 1: be frank about it. You know, se Quan has not

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Speaker 1: him more time to you know, regain um, if not

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Speaker 1: one of the things I love about se Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 1: over the years doing this. And we just got done

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Speaker 1: talking to him in the locker room, and he made

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Speaker 1: it very very clear. While he's not happy with the production,

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Speaker 1: while he knows that there may be some yours that

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Speaker 1: he's left out there, he refuses to identify how badly

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Speaker 1: to do this, I have to do that, say Kwan

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Speaker 1: Barkley does not wish to deflect anything away from him

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Speaker 1: or to anybody else. Uh. This guy, this guy is

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Speaker 1: show everybody else our accountability. It's really the best way

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is it's a six game losing streak.

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Speaker 1: The point is where Russ. The point is if one

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Speaker 1: But that's the point. Not just a star, but he's

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Speaker 1: Queens to start things off today with Mike. Hello, Mike,

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Speaker 1: How y'all doing? How you doing today? Doing all right? Uh?

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Speaker 1: First time quote a long time listeners, welcome aboard. Y'are

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Speaker 1: you're giants thinking about putting love at safety because to me,

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Speaker 1: I respected to him, but day and everything. But he's

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Speaker 1: like a cop out there. Every time I see him

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Speaker 1: on film, he chasing somebody. He's by the play, he's

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Speaker 1: not in front of the play. Well, well, Mike, I

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Speaker 1: Let's put it this way, Mike. If there is, then

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Speaker 1: I'll let Paul, you know, give his two cents. But

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Speaker 1: if there is speculation on stuff, and that's not really

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Speaker 1: new speculation, the secondary uh be a deal being Love, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe they're going to give Julian Love a shot

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Speaker 1: you said, we're talking about Love again, he's talking about Bill. Bill. See,

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Speaker 1: here's the interesting part about Bill. He clearly has the

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Speaker 1: it's it's totally totally um counterproductive to get him and

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Speaker 1: sit him down. What are you gonna do? No, Mike,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly nobody wants to hear it, Mike, And believe me,

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Speaker 1: the rest of the fans. But it's it's comes with

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Speaker 1: the purpose of why you had him in. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing wrong with your question, Mike, don't

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Speaker 1: counter the productive. Then you defeated the purpose of him learning.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like keeping going out there, keep throwing your punches,

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Speaker 1: will say, with Genorous Jenkins suffering a concussion against the Jets,

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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible, okay, that he may not be ready

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Speaker 1: that would be an opportunity to do it if you

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Speaker 1: Bill been there for a while. They said he's been studying,

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Speaker 1: That's all I was saying. All Right, my understood. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the call, buddy, appreciate it. Uh to zero, one, five,

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Speaker 1: stay rich, check in with Kevin. Hello, keV, you're on

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Speaker 1: with Russ and Paul. Thank you for taking my call. Hello,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you for calling. What's up? keV? You know,

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Speaker 1: as a season ticket holder, I think one of the

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Speaker 1: like the organization can't take the heat anymore. I Mean,

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Speaker 1: the media. He puts out a piece on the team website.

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Speaker 1: Where is the accountability here in this organization anymore? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, um, who cares about the coach. You're

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Speaker 1: bringing up a point. Kevin the coach canceling on w

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Speaker 1: It's been a staple from the head. Hold hold on

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Speaker 1: a second, ask you a question? Can I answer it?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead? Go ahead? Okay? So I care because as

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Speaker 1: a as a fan, as a ticket holder, I don't

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Speaker 1: like the fact that, when pressed and taken to task

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Speaker 1: over what's spend, bad play, continuing trends of it for years,

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Speaker 1: even proceeding him, our coaches the need to run and hide. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you know, like keV, enough, Okay, thank you for

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Speaker 1: the call. Your your your coach, your coach, because you

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Speaker 1: know what, you came on on the false pretenses. Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: I just hunk up on you. You know why, because

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Speaker 1: you came under false pretenses. All right, you're coming what what?

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Speaker 1: You had the host on w f A N, Mike

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Speaker 1: Francessa insulting the entire organization who they are partners with. Okay,

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Speaker 1: insulting the coach, insulting the general manager. But you want

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Speaker 1: the coach to come on to kiss his rear end?

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Speaker 1: You know what? We all applauded that, everybody applauded that,

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Speaker 1: and you pulled this crap before you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna hang up. Then you should have been

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Speaker 1: smarter and not called How's that? What do you think

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Speaker 1: of that? And then when you say the organization has

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Speaker 1: no accountability do me a favor. You want to criticize,

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Speaker 1: the minute details of calling the place. Now, of the

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Speaker 1: fourteen head coaches who do call their own plays for us,

425
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Speaker 1: head of them previously came from a system where the

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Speaker 1: head coach also called his own plays, So you see,

427
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like an inherent thing that these coaches

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Speaker 1: when they get from that system and then get the

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Speaker 1: head coaching job, they're they're coming from a system where

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Speaker 1: it was already being done, so they feel that it's

431
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Speaker 1: only natural for them to do it. So they want

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Speaker 1: to do it because that's where they came from, that's

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Speaker 1: what they were taught, that's what they believe. I don't

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Speaker 1: blame them for feeling that way. I don't think they're wrong.

435
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Speaker 1: There is no right or wrong. I was just gonna say,

436
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right or wrong. And when

437
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Speaker 1: you two, two and eight as opposed to eight and

438
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Speaker 1: two or whatever, five and four or five and three,

439
00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: whatever you are, Um, that's what happens. Okay, you know,

440
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: all the speculation comes up again. As Paul said, there's

441
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Speaker 1: no right or wrong. Uh, listen, when Shermer, Sherman had

442
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Speaker 1: a reputation. He was the assistant coach of the year

443
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Speaker 1: his last year with with Minnesota before he came here

444
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Speaker 1: for his brilliance having an offensive mind. So you know,

445
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Speaker 1: I mean, I understand why he feels as he does.

446
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Speaker 1: And he's going to call him and he was asked

447
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Speaker 1: today about potentially giving up the playbook and he said, no,

448
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: why would I do that. You know, I'm an offensive coach.

449
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: He's got a quarterback that he's trying to mentor I

450
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: understand why he feels like he does. You know the

451
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Speaker 1: one thing that the last callers it's said, and I

452
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Speaker 1: get where you where, I forget his name? Forgive me um.

453
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Speaker 1: The last caller had said, well, you know, if if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't handling it, then when Jones comes out, he

455
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Speaker 1: can coach could talk to him and calm them down.

456
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Speaker 1: Meaning Jones, any criticism you want to Dan, be at

457
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: his interceptions, be at the fumbles, what have you. Daniel

458
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Speaker 1: Jones does not need any calming down. He's not a

459
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Speaker 1: nervous nelly. He doesn't come. He never comes to the

460
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Speaker 1: sideline with his shoulders sacking and his head down. He's

461
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: he's looking to get out there. As I say, he's

462
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: like the old time ex commercial. He takes a licking

463
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: and keeps on thinking. He's looking to get out there

464
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Speaker 1: right away and get back into business and get back

465
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Speaker 1: into the scrum. Actually, Russ, if you, if you ever,

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm on the sideline staring most road games,

467
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Speaker 1: and I will tell you he spends a lot of

468
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Speaker 1: time with coach Sula on the bench when he comes

469
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Speaker 1: out of a game, and he lies always there to

470
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Speaker 1: offer anything that that he may need. So I will

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Speaker 1: say this, don't for one second believe that Daniels being

472
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Speaker 1: left by himself to just drown. That's not the case.

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Speaker 1: They have a system in place where he's getting toutelage

474
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Speaker 1: when he comes off the field. So I don't want

475
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Speaker 1: you to feel as you do because you think that

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Speaker 1: Jones is being slighted. That that's not the case. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go to uh d C and check in with Tony. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Tony around with Russ and Paul Hey, Jen said taking

479
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Speaker 1: marcole much appreciate it, sir, how are you? What's going on? Tone?

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Speaker 1: So statement and then in a quick discussion which I

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Speaker 1: hate to say a human but but my statement is this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I am a Mike Francesca fan and I'm

483
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Speaker 1: not big on pet Sherman. But Russ, You're absolutely right.

484
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Speaker 1: You can't insult demand and the GM and like, I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: come on. So that's all to believe me. I I

486
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Speaker 1: get anybody wanting to criticize, don't, that's not what this

487
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Speaker 1: is about. But do me a favor if you're gonna

488
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Speaker 1: come smack me in the face every time I'm gonna

489
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Speaker 1: talk to you, I'm gonna stop talking to you exactly.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, no one owes you know that that station anything.

491
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Speaker 1: And then they got cheering for you to be fired.

492
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Speaker 1: But I gotta come on. So you're right. It was insult.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just tough questions. It was insult. But but

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Speaker 1: but but here, but here's my dooman groom, and I

495
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Speaker 1: want to get your guys, uh, you know, take on this,

496
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Speaker 1: of course, which is why I called up. So you know,

497
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Speaker 1: we're looking at these games and we all see what's happening.

498
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: It's just playing as news on your face. And that

499
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Speaker 1: thing is that the team is not getting better week

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Speaker 1: the week as as we can see it. But here's

501
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Speaker 1: the here's the thing. Here's my theory on that. I

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Speaker 1: don't see the gym's philosophy and the culture's philosophy. And

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Speaker 1: it's not to say one is right or wrong the

504
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Speaker 1: better than the other, but they don't match. And this

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Speaker 1: was my concerns. Give me to give me a reason,

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Speaker 1: give us a reason why. An example where you say

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Speaker 1: that philosophies don't match. So for example, and there's a couple,

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Speaker 1: but this is probably the main one. So, okay, you

509
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Speaker 1: drafted running back at two. I didn't think it was great,

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Speaker 1: but I understood Gettleman's philosophy. Run the ball, stop the run,

511
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Speaker 1: hit the quarterback. Okay, fair enough, But let's let's be

512
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Speaker 1: real here that the New York's Football Giants running game

513
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Speaker 1: for two thousan doesn't have a pulse. It is as

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Speaker 1: dead as Julius Caesar and even But but Tony, like,

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Speaker 1: hold on one second, all right, we'll let you continue,

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Speaker 1: But hold on a second. I would say what you

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Speaker 1: just said about the running game and two two thousand

518
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Speaker 1: and nineteen is fair. What's the big butt, Tony? What

519
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Speaker 1: were you watching the first half of our show here today? Well,

520
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Speaker 1: did you see the first half of our show? Did

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Speaker 1: you just come on when you're called? Okay? Because my

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Speaker 1: point being, we're talking about Quan is not Quan. They

523
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Speaker 1: certainly had a running game last year. Juan's battered, beat up,

524
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Speaker 1: banged up, he's not himself. We were talking at length

525
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Speaker 1: about it before. So when you say that was the problem, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they drafted a running back who was absolutely sensational, Rookie

527
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Speaker 1: of the Year offensive Rookie of the Year last year.

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Speaker 1: This year, wait, wait, when you have the guy hurt

529
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Speaker 1: and beat up, Yeah, you're running game is gonna go south.

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Speaker 1: But but but but here's the thing, And we spoke

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Speaker 1: about this last season rookie year. We all called up

532
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Speaker 1: and spoke about this because the coach runs a West

533
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Speaker 1: Coast system. Even when se Kwon was his rookie year

534
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Speaker 1: and played great, we still threw the ball twice as

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Speaker 1: much as we ran it. So as it stands right now, Um,

536
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: and this is what people don't get about him, about

537
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Speaker 1: our new QB. He's throwing the ball thirty on average,

538
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Speaker 1: thirty seven times a game in his first eight start. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Tony, I gotta disagree with you when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about last year because when when you're talking about throwing

541
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Speaker 1: the ball last year, Paul, you probably have the stats

542
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about throwing the ball last year. Uh,

543
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Speaker 1: how many receiving yards and how many catches did passes?

544
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Speaker 1: Did the Kwan catch? Here? Here's here's where I don't

545
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Speaker 1: here to give me a second now, because I I

546
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Speaker 1: want to. I want to make sure that we're on

547
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Speaker 1: the same page. I understand your point because I'm a

548
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Speaker 1: power football guy. First, you know that if you've ever

549
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: watched this show. I love to run the ball. I

550
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: love smash mouth football. I'm an old school guy, so

551
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: you know where I'm coming from. Okay, but I will

552
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Speaker 1: say this, the Giants have had a tremendous amount of

553
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: difficulty controlling the time of possession, okay, and playing from behind. Now,

554
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: when you have trouble in those areas, usually that means

555
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Speaker 1: you're not running the ball very much. You're gonna have

556
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Speaker 1: to throw it an awful lot. So out of necessity,

557
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: they've had to do this. Now, I'm only going to

558
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Speaker 1: point out to you that the year before Shermour got here,

559
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Speaker 1: when he was in Minnesota, the Minnesota Vikings had the

560
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Speaker 1: second highest run percentage in the National Football League. So

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Speaker 1: that told me, boy, he really does like running the ball.

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Speaker 1: He does want to run the ball, because the Vikings

563
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Speaker 1: were doing it, and they were going to two rounds

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs by doing it. So I really kind

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Speaker 1: of believe that that's probably deep down what he'd like

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Speaker 1: to do and wants to do, But because of circumstances

567
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: last year with a messed up offensive line, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: do it. And this year because the team is having

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Speaker 1: so much trouble of even getting their offense on the field,

570
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: because the defense has given up a dr drives every

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Speaker 1: single time you open your eyes, it becomes really difficult

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Speaker 1: to do some of the stuff you may want to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm just trying to be fair

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Speaker 1: with you now. But but POULI, here's the thing. They

575
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, falls behind that is reasonable for

576
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Speaker 1: throwing the ball so much. But here's the thing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was able to run the ball a lot in Minnesota,

578
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Speaker 1: but he was able to throw the ball a lot

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Speaker 1: to Adam Feeling and Stefon Diggs, and that is not

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettiman's philosophy was born Starling Shepard is injury prone.

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Speaker 1: So with Evan Ingram god taste over thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: I'll put a tea like this. I'll put a tea

583
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Speaker 1: like this. If it was up to Dad, geentleman to

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Speaker 1: take Chase Young or that Jerry Judy out of Alabama,

585
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Speaker 1: he would take Chase Young. I would want him to,

586
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: and you guys probably would too. Yeah, but what but

587
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Speaker 1: what the same that's being run by on Pat Shermer

588
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Speaker 1: w Jerry Judy. And I'll give you a perfect example. Wise,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the top pass rushers in the

590
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Speaker 1: league through Weeke ten, four pass rushers have double digit sacks,

591
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: so they're averaging one sack of game. There's only one

592
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Speaker 1: receiver with the thousand yards so far named Michael Tommy

593
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Speaker 1: because he's playing in a West coast throw the little look. Look,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't know how I feel about this, man,

595
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Speaker 1: I'm very anti video game madnesque offenses. You know that.

596
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm an old school guy. You know, we sing the

597
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: same song, but we're not singing the same tempo because

598
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: because here's a please understand, but it's not well, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't know exactly what the

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Speaker 1: root of his game is right now, because I see

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Speaker 1: circumstances that make it understandable as to why he's done

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Speaker 1: what he's done. I mean, seriously, it's not enough that

603
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: the Giants are just getting behind all the time, but

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Speaker 1: they're giving up thirteen play eight yard drives that takes

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Speaker 1: seven and eight nine minutes off the clock. And when

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00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that happens and you get the ball back, you gotta

607
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: be thinking yourself, Man, if we don't score quick, if

608
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: we don't move it down field with the passing game

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Speaker 1: and get points quickly. Guess what the defense is back

610
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: on the field and they're giving up another eight yard drive.

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00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: You know that's gonna make a guy do things he

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do. And this is my last point.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you guys go all right, and it's to

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Speaker 1: send Daniel Jones. If Daniel Jones played all ten games,

615
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Speaker 1: because Eli threw for eighty nine times the first two games,

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants have three hundred and eighty six

617
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Speaker 1: attempts and it's only been those two quarterbacks. The quarterback

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Speaker 1: that's leading the league in attempts its Philip Rivers at

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Speaker 1: three sixty four, followed by Colin Murray at three second.

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Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones played all ten games, he would buy

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Speaker 1: far be throwing the ball more than any quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league. This is a rookie, so but but this

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Speaker 1: is what it is. He is throwing the ball more

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Speaker 1: than anyone out of do Yeah, but that's that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but but well, Tony, Yeah, thank you, Tony, thanks

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Speaker 1: for the call. But it's on the coach. But it's

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Speaker 1: on the coach also. With the circumstances being what it is, this.

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Speaker 1: Look again, understand this, Tony, We're coming from the same

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Speaker 1: ballpark here. I just think that there are circumstances that

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Speaker 1: must be taken into account. I think it's fair to

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Speaker 1: question the situation. Why hasn't the Giant running game been better?

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Speaker 1: Why haven't they maybe stayed more committed to it. I

633
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Speaker 1: think it's fair to talk about that. But I also

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Speaker 1: do see that there are some logical answers as to

635
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Speaker 1: why they've gotten away from some of the things that

636
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I certainly think that they should be doing in order

637
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Speaker 1: to succeed. Um, if I can just hold up the

638
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: calls for one second, there's something I want to tell

639
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: you us. The San Francisco forty Niners were four and

640
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: twelve last year, and everybody in the Bay Area has

641
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: been so down on that organization for a lot of

642
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: years because they've been awful. Right, well, what are they

643
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: right now? They just lost their first game last night? Right, Okay?

644
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Last last year they were two and eight at their

645
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Speaker 1: bye week. Does that sound familiar? And they finished four

646
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: and twelve because they were two and four over their

647
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: last six games. And by the way, when we talk

648
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: about seeing improvement in the last six games of the year,

649
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: they got whacked by Tampa Bay twenty nine to seven,

650
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: Seattle crush them forty three to sixteen, they got beat

651
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: by the Rams to thirty two, and they lost to

652
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the Bears in an ugly fourteen and nine game. There

653
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: was nothing in those last six games when the Niners

654
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: went to finish four and old, that indicated they would

655
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: win eight out of their first nine games this year. Correct?

656
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? My point to you is,

657
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: and the game that they lost last night was in

658
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: over time exactly. Now they beat the Broncos fourteen and

659
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: beat the Seahawks. Uh. My point is this, there's no

660
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: reason why with an additional draft and a lot of

661
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: cap room in the all season, my goodness, the Giants

662
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: might wind up being the San Francisco fort. Look, the

663
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: point is, it's never as bad as it looks or

664
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: as good as it looks. And if anybody in San

665
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Francisco was telling you they thought they'd win eight of

666
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: the first nine games this year, after looking at that,

667
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: they're lying to you, well you you and I heard

668
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: the coach say today. You know people don't want to

669
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: hear it, and you know some people are gonna write

670
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: what they want to write. About it. But the coach

671
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: said today, um yeah. He was asked if he sees

672
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: improvement in his young players. He says, yeah, he says,

673
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: but we just gotta try and turn it into wins. Now.

674
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: The point is the Niners would not be eight and

675
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: one today if they didn't go through that four and

676
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: twelve season. That's a fair point. It's a very good point.

677
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: To zero, one, nine, four or five one three is

678
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: the number. Before we get back to the phone calls,

679
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: just want to remind you that if you folks subscribe

680
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: to the Giants Audio podcast, please make note at beginning

681
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: December one, Big Blue Kickoff Live will have its own

682
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: dedicated podcast. You could begin subscribing now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

683
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: Google Play, or your favorite podcast platform. Again, starts December one,

684
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live will no longer be available in

685
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: the Giants Audio podcast, so please subscribe to the Big

686
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live podcast and you can still watch and

687
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: listen to the show on giants dot Com and the

688
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: Giants app. Alright, what do you say we go up

689
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: to Portland, Maine. That can only mean one thing, PAULI

690
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: am I correct, He's already laughing. He's a legend charl

691
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: what's going on? The only thing you left out about

692
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: the Great forty nine a turnaround was they didn't have

693
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: their quarterback last year. That's why they were four and twelves.

694
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: That didn't help well. But the point is last year, okay,

695
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: they played a lot of young players. They were they

696
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: were building through the draft, okay, and they played a

697
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: lot of young guys. They got a lot of their

698
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: mistakes out of the way. And now this year, look

699
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: how that's turning out for him. You know, you, Charlie,

700
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: you gotta swallow your miserable, rotten tasting cough medicine before

701
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: you get better. That's what happens with I was gonna say,

702
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, Charlie, I'm glad Paul said it was colough medicine.

703
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: The way he was driving, I didn't know what the

704
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: hell you're gonna You know, when you have the flu,

705
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: you gotta take your nasty medicine. And that's what's happening. Hey, Look,

706
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: you know got three games coming up. Chance we're gonna

707
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: lose those three games. We're playing Philly, we're playing Green Bay,

708
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: and we're playing the Bears, right, and the Bears, you know,

709
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: their defense is pretty good and they're gonna have probably

710
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: six to eight sacks. I can't believe, you know, the

711
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Jets defense, who is not that good, especially the d NS.

712
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: They got six sacks on us. It's unbelievable. But we're

713
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: going to a team that really is good, who really

714
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: does sac and also strip fumbles. That's what Mac does,

715
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: That's what they do. It's not going to be pretty,

716
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: especially if Folder can't play. And one Arrive was screaming

717
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: about since March we need a swing veteran tackle and

718
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: we don't have one, and has come back to bite us.

719
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just unbelievable to me that they

720
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: never especially with gentleman who loves hog Molly's and you

721
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: know all that, you think he would have got a

722
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: veteran swing tackle to be on this team and is

723
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: a bad back goes down. So Charlie, listen and look,

724
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: you and I not only had this conversation many times

725
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: over the past year, we actually agreed on this, okay,

726
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: So so so you gotta do me a favor. Okay,

727
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: that's probably like a crumb as to what's wrong with

728
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: this team right now. So why would you want to

729
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: belabor the point of a crumb, Because he's Charlie. I mean, seriously,

730
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: this is this Greg but but this is the crumb

731
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: you want to bring to the table with the team.

732
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: You know what my big crumb is and that's the

733
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen this movie called The Good, Bad

734
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: and the Ugly and that's Daniel Jones. So that's the

735
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: big crumb. Just like you said, you can't have thirteen turns.

736
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: If that was a running back or that was a

737
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver fumbling all the time, they would be on

738
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: the bench, that they'd be cut. And to keep this

739
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: guy playing, you know, Charlie, God bless you. I thank

740
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: you very much. Daniel Jones is the problem. I mean,

741
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: he talks about the turnovers. He doesn't talk about the

742
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: games where he throws four touchdown passes, not once, but twice.

743
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk about fifteen touchdown passes. And I hope

744
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: I only wish that we had more problems like Daniel Jones.

745
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: What do you think of that? Yeah? You know, I

746
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: meant that, you know what, Charlie was making valid points

747
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: that until he gets to Daniel Jones and then he loses. Well,

748
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: what bibles my mind is for a guy who has

749
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: been such a Giants fan for so many years he

750
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: forgets that. You know, Phil Simms had growing pains and

751
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Eli Manning had growing pains. And as rookies, these guys

752
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of trouble completing passes. These guys had

753
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers, just like Daniels going through. Remember

754
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: that's the necessary evil that you must swallow when you

755
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: play a rookie quarterback. Now, we can discuss the philosophy

756
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: all we'd like. It's not going to change that my opinion,

757
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks should sit the first year and he should

758
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: not play. I've made that clear. It's a general philosophy

759
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: that I have, and I would have preferred that Daniel

760
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: Jones not playing until next year. But once you put

761
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: him in and you commit to that, the clock on

762
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: his development begins and you have to let him learn,

763
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: mature and work through it. Taking him out now is

764
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: totally counterproductive. Is that doesn't help anybody? Well, listen, I

765
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more on that. And both you

766
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: and myself wanted Eli to play this year. Okay, both

767
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: you and myself we wanted him, and when the change

768
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: was made, we both looked at each other. I don't know,

769
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this, if we're gonna be

770
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: honest about it. Yes, there has been the interceptions, there's

771
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: been the fumbles, but there's also been quite a few

772
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: plays that you and I and many of the fans

773
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: out there all know that Eli would not have been

774
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: able to escape the trouble that Daniel was able to escape.

775
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: So it works both ways. To zero, one, five, one

776
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: three is the number. Let's go out to Chicago check

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00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: in with Mark. Hello, Mark, how we doing today? Hey

778
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: we're doing okay? Hey? Hello? Or you're gonna walk the

779
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: sodline out here in a couple of weeks, I'll be

780
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: there and I'll be yeah. Well, well, let let me

781
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: tell you this. I may not be wearing my wingtip shoes,

782
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: though I may have to go for some some rubber

783
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: soul hardtops because I know it could be rough out there. Well,

784
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: you need to bring you a long underwear. That's yeah.

785
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys, I'm sure you did.

786
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: You probably watched the game last night on Monday Night

787
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: Football and Crew. It was a quality football game. But

788
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: when I looked at it, you saw both teams trying

789
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: to impose their will. You saw both teams making mistakes.

790
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: You a boat team saying no, you're not gonna impose

791
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: on me. I'm going to impose on you. And you

792
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: can see saw some dumb plays like a guy trying

793
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: to strip the ball away from his quarterback the offensive alignement.

794
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: So I thought about this, and I'm like, you know,

795
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: you saw a lot of the same things that you

796
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: see in Giants games where there's some really unusual plays.

797
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: But both of these teams are quality enough and savvy,

798
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: and how those mistakes you just you just help the nail,

799
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Like we're watching the flag football team compared to what

800
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: we saw last night. But the point you bring up,

801
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna tell you that's what good teams do. The

802
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: good teams are able to overcome their mistakes. This is

803
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: a young team, and obviously we've spoken about a weekend

804
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: and week out, they're not able to overcome the mistakes.

805
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: It's the mistakes that bite them on the keys to

806
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: every game that cost them the games. All right, Well,

807
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: one thing I did see last night that I liked,

808
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: as both teams know how to tackle, that's for sure,

809
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: and they tackle hard. But anyway, um, getting to where

810
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: we are as a team, you know, I think the defense,

811
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: you know it is what it is, and we're just

812
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of the same for the

813
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: rest of the year. So in my opinion, let's do

814
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: with the defensive backs what we're doing with Jones. You

815
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: don't let them, you don't go through their growing pains.

816
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: Valentine deal. Um they what's the other guy that uh quarterback?

817
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: Just put him out there and let them make the mistakes.

818
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: We can't play a whole lot worse than what we're

819
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: doing already. You also get better if you don't keep

820
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: going out there. Yeah. So, but so that leads me

821
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: to the offensese. And this is really where I have

822
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: a problem. Um, I'm seeing a lot of Ben McAdoo

823
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: in Pat Sherman and that I think he's too wedded

824
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: to his system and we can't do that. I mean,

825
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I looked at a montage of s Kwan Barclay's runs

826
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the other day. They're almost all inside the tackles, and

827
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: he's getting hit before he even has the ball, almost

828
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: and he's running out of the shotgun formation, which all

829
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: you were talking about the power running game. So after

830
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: I went to the Detroit game, I called in what

831
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, we got to do more misdirection.

832
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: I think the problem we have is in our game plans.

833
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about scripting, and you have the

834
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: first twenty plays, you know we're behind something nothing. Usually

835
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: when we get to start those plays, you've got to

836
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: do things that the other team isn't expecting. And I

837
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't watch the game, but I listened to the game

838
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: on the radio, and Papa and Um and the other guys,

839
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, they they knew the plays before we were

840
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: even running them. And I think we're into a routine

841
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: here that it's making this very easy to defence, and

842
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: I just think that we need to do more misdirection.

843
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: You're talking about Jones fumbling all the turnovers, those are

844
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: primarily happening when he's in the pocket. Jones is most

845
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: effective when he can roam around a little bit. So

846
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: let's do a little more rollouts and some sprint out

847
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: so he moves around a little bit to at least

848
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: throw the defense off their game a little bit, because

849
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: I think they know exactly what we're doing. Okay, Mark,

850
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: thank you for the call. See you in Chicago, Chicago.

851
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to our old buddy down in Columbia, Maryland.

852
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: Lenn Hello, Lenn. How are we doing today, my friend? Well,

853
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: still a little frustrated. Yeah, I never like to lose

854
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: to the Jets. Don't like this losing streak six in

855
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: a row. It's hard to lose six games in a row, Polly.

856
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean you really, you really got to be playing

857
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: bad to lose six games in a row. I guess Pat,

858
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: you know you listen to Pat, He says he sees

859
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: some he sees some improvements. I don't know what he's

860
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: season losing six games in a row that he could

861
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: call improvements. Um, look, let me let me just become

862
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: in early early on. One of the call is concerned

863
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: about pat On, you know, on Francess to show. Um.

864
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: I think Sherman does a pretty good job at the press.

865
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's a tough gig. I think he does

866
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: okay and tell you the truth. I think that's I

867
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: know this may be an exaggeration, but I think that's

868
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: almost half his job in New York. I mean, this

869
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: is a Jacksonville with one radio station and one television

870
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: station and one newspaper sticking a microphone in your face,

871
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, asking your questions. These are some pretty darn

872
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: smart people, And I think Sherman does, okay with him? Well,

873
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: you know what, lando to be frank with you, I

874
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: appreciate you're making a point, but I would agree with you.

875
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: But but having said that, who cares? I don't want

876
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: to talk about Francesso or Wien here. Well, I'll tell you,

877
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who cares. I'll tell you, honest to god,

878
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: who cares is the management of the team. That's who cares.

879
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: Above pat That's who cares. How they deal with, how

880
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: they deal with the press, how they stand up there

881
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: every Sunday, that's who really cares. I mean probably you

882
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: know when when Perkins got hired, and maybe this is

883
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: a good thing to start with, who you can talk

884
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: about here, But when Perkins started, George Young spent a

885
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: lot of time with that that that young coach, helping

886
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: him understand that a good part of his job was

887
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: dealing with the press. He couldn't blow them off. Yeah,

888
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: well that's an important part of that. But and Perkins

889
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: figured out how to do it. Yes, I'm sorry, but

890
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: but no one's disputing that. And I'm just saying who

891
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: cares about Mike frances Show? I mean that, that's my point.

892
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: We're not talking about the way he deals them. We're

893
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: talking to point it a kind of compliment I think

894
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: he does. Okay, yeah, I would agree, yeah, okay, hey, PAULI, um,

895
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go back to seventy and of course

896
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: us rest was around. Man, he remembers, he's going to

897
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: remember what I'm talking about here. So George Young comes

898
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: in and he hires Perkins, and we have a miserable

899
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: seventy nine season, but we hang in there. We get

900
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: back to the next season. Are you abably that that

901
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: that second team, that nineties team may have been worse

902
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: than the seventy ninety But then we get but then

903
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: we get to but then we get the year three. Actually,

904
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: I think that team willst eight games in a row. Um.

905
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I have to go back and check that, but I

906
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: think it was eight games in a row. Um. You know,

907
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: you get the eighty one, and here we are, you know,

908
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll limp in two of the season. We're hanging around five,

909
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I know you like the

910
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Atlantic game. I like the second Philly game. Um, you

911
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: know down down there in Philadelphia, and and and and

912
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: that launched us. Paul, Is that is that your Phase

913
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: three is that what you see happening? And I'm asking

914
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get into an argument with him,

915
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out where you think phase three is.

916
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: Is that is that phase three? And is it next year?

917
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: In your in your mind? In my opinion? Land? And

918
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: I've gone through this every off season now for many

919
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: many years. I look at the roster at the end

920
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: of the season and I say, Okay, these are the

921
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: fifty three that they've got. Okay, how many quote um

922
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: snap players, whether it's starters or regular rotation guys, guys

923
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: who are going to be significant members of the team

924
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: come September. How many of these guys need to be upgraded?

925
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: And there were years when I've gone through that exercise

926
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, they're a good ten to

927
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: twelve away. And that's never a good sign when you're

928
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: talking about needing tend to twelve regular snap players to

929
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: be a competitive playoff type team. I look at this

930
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: Giant's team right now, and I see them being a

931
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: half a dozen players away. And as I've always said,

932
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: between the draft and free agent and see, I don't

933
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: think it's too much to acquire a half a dozen

934
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: players in one off season, you buy two or three

935
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: free agents your draft, two or three guys that hit

936
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: right away in the draft. I don't think that's that's impossible,

937
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: that's not a week. So yes, my answer to you is,

938
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: I did feel in August this team was five or

939
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: six players away from being a legitimate playoff team. I

940
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: really did feel that, and I still feel that way.

941
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: So yes, let me try, let me try to build

942
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: on that for a second. And I'm I'm a little

943
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: worried today because I look back at that two thousand

944
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: eighteen draft fall and we expected so much out of

945
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, there's two thousand eighteen not to

946
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: two eighteen draft. You know, we we you know what

947
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: we were talking about in the all season in terms

948
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: of sacks and how much you alreadist are we gonna

949
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's the guy gonna gain Pauling. Nobody's playing better.

950
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: Nobody out of that two thousand eighteen draft. This playing

951
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: better than they played in two eighteen. Think one of

952
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: the guys even on the team, Barkley shirt, Let's let's

953
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: go through it. I'll be fair with you, Lenn, I'll

954
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: go through the exercise with you. Barkley's hurt. So that's

955
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a not counter Okay, yes here, I

956
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: mean we're gonna do will her Nandez, in my opinion,

957
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: has been very inconsistent this year. I think he needs

958
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: to be better, and I would hope that in year

959
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: three he really blossoms and becomes the guy that we

960
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: know we can be hoping if we get better play

961
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: out of the center, Hernandez is going to improve to Okay, alright,

962
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, in my opinion, for what he's been asked

963
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: to do in this scheme, is actually played pretty well. Now,

964
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: he hasn't been an impact player, but that's not the

965
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: position he's in in this defense, and this defense they

966
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: want Marcus Golden to be the impact player, and Golden

967
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: is actually filling that role pretty well. Carter is being

968
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: asked to play set can fiddle, and he's doing okay

969
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: with that. Now, if you tell me you want to

970
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: see his role change and you want Carter to be

971
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: an impact player, you're gonna have to change his role

972
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: in the scheme because it's not designed to make an

973
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: an impact. Okay, there you go, I got you, all right,

974
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: So let me let me just come in on one

975
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: more one more thing here, if you know, if we

976
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: let you make of this first and fourth quarter performance

977
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: on on the defensive side of the ball, I mean this,

978
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: this is no longer uh just something that happened this

979
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: past week. I mean we're talking four or five weeks now,

980
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: we're falling behind. What the heck is going on with

981
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: the first quarter. Then we're gonna have to answer this,

982
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: uh with you saying goodbye because we got like too

983
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: many left ahead. Well, how many times have you and

984
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: I sat in the press box and I look at

985
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: you and I'm like, Okay, the other team gets that

986
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: opening drive touchdown or those opening drive points, and there

987
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: it is again. They've held the ball for ten minutes,

988
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: Giants have barely had the ball in the first quarter,

989
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: and they're down again. In how many times have we

990
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: discussed this in the box. That's just a terrible position

991
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: to be in. I am of the opinion, and I

992
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: understand again, there's no right or wrong here. I believe

993
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: when you win the toss, unless there are extenuating circumstances.

994
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: I go with the Bill Purcell's philosophy. You take the ball,

995
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: you get the lead, you throw the first punch, and

996
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: you put the other team on their heels. Well, the

997
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: analytics say otherwise, and almost every coach in the NFL

998
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: believes you have to defer. But what what what happened

999
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: when the Jets took the ball this year? Right last

1000
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: week they took the ball, they scored Giants down. But

1001
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: you can flip it to me, you can flip a

1002
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: coin on that little argument, but really, because you know what,

1003
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: you can also say, Okay, so the other team scored first,

1004
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: so now you get it's not the other team score

1005
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: on first, but now your offense gets the ball. What's

1006
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: the worst thing that can happen that what they do

1007
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: is then if they go three and out. So if

1008
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: they get the ball and drive down, then you can

1009
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: get the ball and drive down. The problem has been,

1010
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: as as Lenn said, not just the first quarter, but

1011
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: the biggest thing again here was another game. Go go

1012
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: back to to the in each of the last games,

1013
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: go back we gotta say goodbye, but go back to

1014
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: starting with um the Patriots. They've been there again in

1015
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter every time. And you know what that is.

1016
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: When we talk about young teams not executing, not making mistakes,

1017
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: not getting it done, not knowing how to finish the Deal.

1018
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: That has been this edition of your New York Football Giants,

1019
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: but that also has been this edition of Big Blue

1020
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. So our thanks to the lovely Nicole Barrels

1021
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: for taking care of us at the controls, PAULI Dots,

1022
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Paul Detino, myself, Russ Salzburg, and most of all, thank you.

1023
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: I'll be back here tomorrow with David Deal. See you then,