WEBVTT - Rick Astley 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.600 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.920 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name's Jordan run Talk. But 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.959 enough about me. You know my guest today. You love 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.600 my guest today. I promise you'd listen to his music 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.040 many times over the years, whether you wanted to or not. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.759 I mean that the nicest possible way. Let me explain. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.080 His indomitable soul pop classic Never Gonna Give You Up 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.000 famously received the new lease on life in the two thousands, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.479 when it became one of the most famous viral videos 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.520 in history. Yes, I'm talking about the prank that dares 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.159 not speak its name. The song was a number one 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.959 single from the smash album Whenever You Need Somebody, which 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 has gone quadruple platinum since its release thanks to songs 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.360 like the title track, Together Forever, another number one, the 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.680 top ten hit It Would Take a Strong Man, and 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.879 of course, the Rick Rolling anthem. Now he's gearing up 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.120 to release an expanded thirty fifth anniversary version, featuring a 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.600 number of remixes and also reimagined versions of several tracks 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.640 alternate universe versions he calls him, including a surprisingly moving 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.840 piano a ballad version of Never Gonna Give You Up, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.040 He's also hitting the road this summer with some big 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.839 name friends as part of the Mixtape US Arena Tour. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.160 He's doing fifty seven nights alongside new Kids on the Block, 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.119 Salt and Pepper and then Vogue. He's got a busy 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.000 few months ahead of him, and I'm gratefully took the 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.479 time to stop by. I'm so happy to welcome Mr 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:27.800 Rick Astley. UM, you have a new Delexe greatly expanded 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.000 edition of Whenever You Need Somebody Do out in time 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.880 for the thirty fifth anniversary, and it features a number 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.479 of remixes and reimagined versions of a selection of tracts. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.000 You call them alternate Universe versions, which I really love. UM. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.240 Never gonna give you up as a piano ballad together 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.920 forever as like a jazz standard. I just think it's 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.280 so cool. What let you to decide to give these 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.280 songs a makeover? UM? To be honest, I have some 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.160 friends in the UK um in a band called Take That, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.440 and I went on tour with them a couple of 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:02.200 years ago, and and other people obviously have kind of 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.360 reloked to their old songs, and obviously your fans want 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.640 you to play them live the way that they were 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.760 because they want their memories and all the rest of it. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.360 But sometimes it's nice just to kind of fiddle around 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.160 with them a little bit. And it was just a 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.320 nice experience, to be honest. I mean, I've been singing 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.160 you know, never going to Give You Up Together forever 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.840 since nine seven, and it's been kind of nice to 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.960 sort of really look at them. And don't get me wrong, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.800 I still when it comes to gigging, I understand that, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.000 like I said, people want to hear the original versions, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.240 but I kind of feel that every now and again 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.560 you can slip something in when no one's looking and 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.160 kind of just turn it upside down, you know what 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.720 I mean, And it's quite a nice thing to do. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.440 So yeah, I mean, like I say, those songs are 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.240 pretty old, some of them, you know, So it's it's 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.920 it's I still enjoy singing them live, obviously, but it's 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.320 I think when I listened to them now, sometimes I 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.560 kind of think, how would we do that today? You know? 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.680 So yeah, Oh, it's I love the way it's sung 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.480 on these two because I mean, obviously, as you say, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.800 the originals are classics, but by stripping some of the production, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.680 it's almost like more of the emotion comes to the 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.600 forward too. I think it's so cool. Yeah, I also 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.440 think as well. I was a kid when I did 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.120 those vocals, a kid. I was plenty one when I 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:12.680 did those vocals. And I do think that I'm probably 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.359 a better singer than I was back then. I kind 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.079 of have had some life, you know, I've been through 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.280 some emotion in my life. You know, we have a 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.320 daughter who at years old now, can you believe um? 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.520 And lots of things that come and go through anybody's life, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.960 whether you know it or you don't. As a singer, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.959 you kind of somehow draw on that and somehow kind 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.960 of filter it into the way you sing. I think, 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.600 you know what I mean, there's more If I sing 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.200 certain lines now, they mean more to me. And even 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.000 even a song light never going to give you up 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.960 when I sing that to an audience. Now, I really 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.760 appreciate it more than I did when I was having 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.760 a hit with it, you know, because it's been part 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.720 of my DNA for thirty something years, and so it's 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.200 just a totally different feeling, to be honest, it really is. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.320 And but it's a good feeling. It's nice, you know. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.840 You think that the best singers have a touch of 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.880 the actor in them to be able to dial that in, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.120 like on the day on the stage when you've got 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.480 to the song. Yeah, I don't the way I talk, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.600 I don't sing, you know what I mean. I didn't 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.480 grow up. I didn't grow up on an island in 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.400 between America and the UK to have this quasi sort 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.880 of American action when I sing. It's just all the 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.200 guys that taught me to sing. Um. Most of them 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.000 would say anyway, sang with an American heart and an 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.960 American soul and a bit of American r and being them, 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.440 do you know what I mean? And so therefore that 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.560 that's what most British singers do. We kind of, like 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.320 I said, whether we know it or not, or whether 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.240 we like to admit it or not, we've stolen something 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.480 from American music. And you've done it in reverse because 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.480 we gave you the Beatles and David Bowie and on 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.640 and on, so you've done it in reverse as well. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.159 But I think that's more from I think that's more 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.119 from a musical sense than it is a vocal sense, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:56.760 do you know what I mean? I think I think 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.120 the world has stolen from America in terms of how 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.920 to sing vocals on on a on a modern date, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.040 let's say last seventy years of like what we call 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.640 modern music. You know, that's and I think that comes 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.240 a lot from gospel, It comes a lot from the country, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.760 It comes a lot from you know, those those kind 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.839 of genres of music that obviously are American, you know, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.640 oh absolutely. I mean you have such a look like 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.080 a Philly soul voice in a way to her motown 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.880 tambla motown me. Who are some of the people that 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.719 made you want to sing when you were first getting 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.239 in the music as a kid. I guess, I guess. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.080 I'm the youngest of four kids, and my sister James 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.000 ten years older than me. She won't thank me for that, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:42.200 but there you go. Jane Um she played everything, to 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.240 be honest, She loved all kinds of everything. And she 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.000 took me to some gigs in Manchester, which is the closest, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 biggest town to where I grew up. Um so the 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.279 first band I think I saw um properly a real gig. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.760 I was about ten years old, and she took me 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.600 to see Super Trump and Super Trump obviously, you know 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.880 amazing songwriters. Eight Live band and everything. It blew me away. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.680 I was just like, I just couldn't even I just 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.720 didn't know what world had entered kind of thing. But 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.720 she also loved so she loved like a lot of 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.080 progressive rock. Funny enough, she loved like the early Genesis 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.120 and even deeper than that into progressive rock. But she 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.120 loved the Beatles, She loved David Bowie. But she also 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.920 loved Marvin Kae, Stevie Wonder, and I think a lot 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.000 of those things. And she loved Motown as well. And 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.560 I think a lot of those things. The melody of 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.960 what Motown always had. And I think someone like let's 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.599 say Stevie Wonder. I mean, that guy can sing the 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.719 birds out of the trees, but melodically he always did 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.240 things that you you you wanted to sing along with him, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:44.920 do you know what I mean. He's one of the 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.120 most he's one of the greatest artists that's ever lived. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.200 I think he's one of the most amazing songwriters as well. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.080 But the way he sang, you can't help yourself but 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.040 sing along, do you know what I mean? He sort 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.640 of brings it out of you. And yeah, so so 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.000 I guess I heard a lot of records and my 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.120 two brothers as well. You know, I was the youngest, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:05.960 like I said, so they force fed me all kinds 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:11.280 of music. But I think I think somehow also when 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.600 I was when I was really young, I was in 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.360 the church choir. I mean it wasn't a gospel choir obviously, um, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.880 but the thing of singing with other people, I think 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.000 as well. I've always kind of really liked and when 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.160 I'm doing gigs and I kind of work with the 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:25.960 girls that we have in our band and what I've 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.120 you in terms of vocals and stuff. It's one of 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:29.960 my favorite things. And we have a song called Pry 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.840 for Help, and the girls at the end kind of 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.840 emulate what the choir we're doing in terms of ad 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.080 libs and stuff, and it's one of my favorite moments. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.120 I just wanted to keep going, you know, I want 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.360 to be around other singers. It's just I think it's 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.880 an instinctive thing. When the human sings, it just draws 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.240 me in. You know. So I heard a story, I 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.360 don't know if this is true, that when We're Never 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.160 Going to Give You Up first came out before the 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.360 video came out, and there was just the picture of 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.840 you on the record sleeve. Some listeners were like, this, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.080 this can't be a twenty one year old kid. This 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.160 has got to be forty five year old guy from Detroit. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:04.680 I mean, of course, of course, and a lot of 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.440 people definitely mentioned that, and I found that, I mean obviously, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.480 you know, like I said, you know, Bill with us, 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.800 all the guys from Motown, um latter day, like James 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.800 Ingram as well and Luther Andrews and all those guys 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.120 taught me to sing. Michael McDonald was one of my 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.520 favorite singers. They didn't know where they were teaching me. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.360 They didn't know they were teaching half the world to sing, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.800 but they were because we all we all copied them. Um. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.080 But I think for someone to say that I sounded 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.160 like a middle aged soul singer was a bit weird 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.480 to me because when I looked in the mirror, I 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.400 look like an eleven year old kid from the north 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.160 of England, you know what I mean. So I think 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.800 that's the best compliment though, of course, of course it's 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.679 a huge compliment, but it's also I actually think it's 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.200 one of the secret ingredients why that track worked, because 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.640 when people did see the video, they were so freaked 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.360 out because they might have heard the song on the radio. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.079 That that was almost part of the charm of it. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.440 It's like that, dude, you know what I mean? So so, yeah, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.880 I mean I think that's the other that's the That's 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.000 the other thing is that obviously we have the Internet, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.959 we have YouTube, we have you know, so anybody can 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.160 see anything now. Well, back then you had to go 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.240 and watch videos on MTV, and MTV was such an 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.600 influential thing. It it was such a massive thing for 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.120 an artist to get on MTV because you knew that 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.439 on a on a certainly on an American basis, but 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.480 on a worldwide basis. You know, you add not just 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.960 your song, but kind of your representation of what you were, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.200 what was supposed to be and what you know. That 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.439 was a huge hoututube thing. So but I think I think, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.720 I mean my videos my word, man, when I see 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.000 my videos now, it's really hard for me to watch them. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.079 If I'm honest, I can giggle at them. I can 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.000 giggle at them, but it's really hard, yeah, because I'm like, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.360 who is that guy? What the hell is he doing? 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.320 You know? If it's really weird? Yeah, it is. Do 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.000 you have any memories of from from shooting the video. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.080 I mean, the main thing I've been talking about that 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.360 recently actually quite a bit. The main thing is that 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.000 I think people when they look at the raincoat still 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:03.719 still like a stripy t shirt by the way, but 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.280 when they look at their own coat, um, and the 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.160 turtleneck and that, you know, I think people think that 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.679 was all styled. There was no styling whatsoever. I just 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.120 wrote about with clothes in it. And it was the 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.840 middle of summer when we shot. It was actually a 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.480 hot day for once in England, in London, and they 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.560 just kind of staid, look, stand in front of that 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.520 chain link fence and do what you do. And I 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.920 was terrified, so I put my sunglasses on so nobody 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.560 could actually you know, just hit behind the sunglasses and 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.920 shuffle around a bit and you know, pretended to sing 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.959 the song. And but if you think about it, today, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.839 everyone is used to being filmed because whatever you're doing 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.199 and wherever you go, I'm sure you've got several cameras 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.800 in the studio all the time with you what you know, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.280 but also when you're you know, doing whatever you're doing. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.560 In terms of any kind of media these days, whether 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.320 it's radio, whether it is actually a TV. Yeah, there's 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.760 the TV cameras, but there's also half a dozen other 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.880 cameras filming the cameras filming. You know, everything is filmed. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.240 So and for younger people all now they just grow up, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.839 you know, TikTok, Instagram, whatever, it's just film and stuff constantly. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.920 We didn't do that. My generation didn't do that. Nobody 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.440 had a video camera. First time I saw a video camera, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.120 it's like I've gone to the moon or something. It 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.920 was like space technology. You know, somebody's walking around with 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.720 something that you can film, you know what I mean. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.640 It was like So to go and be in front 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.920 of the film crew to make a video was terrifying. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.400 It was absolutely terrifying. And the other crazy thing is 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.160 there was no way of seeing what it looked like. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.040 You just shut it on film, and then a week 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.319 or so later you went and looked at the edit 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.960 of it. Nobody could film it. Just think about that 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:38.720 for a second. Nobody could film it and go, Okay, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.480 did we get the shot right? Is this right? What 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.640 does Rick look like? You know, should he really be 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.520 wearing that rain? Cool? There was none of that, you 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.200 know what I mean? It was just it's just you 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.960 film it, you put it in the can, and a 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.760 week later you're gonna see the edit. That was the 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.320 way it was. This begs the question do you still 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:58.080 have the rein code? No? It actually its well disappeared. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.400 I saw it disappear. I went to do one of 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.840 one of the first first outdoor radio events that I 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.280 did was in Belfast in Northern Ireland, and I was 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.400 chanting to this guy who's a really big TV and 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.439 radio presenter and has been for a long time, but 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.320 you know, he was working there at the time, and 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.160 I had the rain coat on, and all these kids 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.240 just started getting close from clos from close until we 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.439 kind of both got mobbed really um and then someone 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.320 thought it's one of these kids, thought I'm having that coat. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.680 So we just started it just basically just started pulling up. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.079 Because I was live on the radio and I've never 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.920 really done a lot of this before. I thought, look, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.839 I turned around and kind of like shove him or 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.120 pot whatever before not doing the rain court is just 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.679 sailing across this sea of like a thousand kids in 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.560 this like town square in Belfast, and I'm just going, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.000 that's my I bought that coat man, that's not a 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.079 present in the back up company. That's mine. And so 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:50.520 that was it. I never saw it again, but I 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.840 do see it occasionally. Um. You know, obviously people come 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.480 to gigs very now and again wearing a rain coat, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.520 so I do see it again every now and again. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.080 But the original one, I don't know where that is. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.679 But yeah, there they go. Well, we should put out 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.800 a call. Okay, I'm gonna give the end of this broadcast, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.360 will put out the address for my heart. No questions 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.080 are send the rain cut back. We'll get it to Rick. Yeah, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.280 we get We'll go Indiana Jones on him. We'll they 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:28.479 well sit this out. The phrase, you know, overnight sensation 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.400 gets tossed around quite a bit, but I mean, you 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.439 really did go from touring you know, pubs in Birmingham 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.720 to uh Wembley fairly quickly. Right, How did you come 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:43.520 up with that? I guess the one thing that happened 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.000 with myself was that it did happen so for quick 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:47.839 especially with that first song, never going to give You 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.480 a Bit. Went from me doing kind of like like 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.920 some radio promotion up and down the country and stuff. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.160 We hadn't even made a video of the week that 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:56.960 it went to number one, and back in those days, 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.719 you didn't go into the chart number one. It took 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.439 by five or six weeks to get there, especially with 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:06.240 a new artist, And so it was kind of a 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.600 bit weird, if I'm honest, And I never really caught 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.839 up with myself even I don't think, you know. I 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.960 always felt like I just left the room and I 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.040 was entering the room from from another door, if you 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.000 know what I mean. So my career was like five 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.400 paces in front of me, and it was it was 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.280 really weird. And really, I mean, listen, a lot of fun. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.400 I got to do some amazing things and see some 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.480 amazing things and being some great places and all the 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.640 rest of it. But it was pretty weird. And I 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.280 think I would have loved to have just paused it 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.640 for a second, to just take a breath and look around, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.360 but there wasn't really time for that. That's what happens 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.440 in pot music very often. It's like boom and that's it, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.080 you know. Um. And also because I was kind of 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.440 on my own, really, I traveled with somebody who was great. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.320 It looked after me and everything. But I mean the 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.000 end of the day, I'm the one you know, in 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.080 the picture and that and that. So I had a 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.880 really good time and everything. But when I look at 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.360 certain artists today who you know, have been massive, like 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.040 let's say that I don't know, Justin Bieber or someone 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.960 like that, who's who's who it was? He was a 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.320 lot younger than I was, by the way. I mean, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.360 he was a kid. He literally was a kid. But 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.800 you look at someone like that career, he's absolutely globally massive, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.040 and it's his name at the end of the day, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.920 and it's it's it stops with him, do you know 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.560 what I mean? I do kind of think sometimes the 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.080 pressure that people have got today is a lot more 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.120 than I had, because obviously they've got the Internet, and 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.800 like I say, every clown has got a camera in 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.600 the pocket, you know, having been to the bathroom, right 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.440 to the men's room. I'm stood in the men's room, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.360 so you know what I'm doing in there, right, and 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.200 someone takes the phone. Someone takes the phone, and I'm going, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.840 what the what are you? You know what I mean? 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:44.960 And they're looking at me as if I'm being weird 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.920 about it, right, So, so what he goes through, I 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.520 don't know, you know, maybe maybe he never goes in 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.560 a bathroom, you know, without security. Maybe maybe he doesn't, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.560 I don't know, but you know, it's kind of I 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.760 think that. I think I think the generation of this 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.200 last ten years fifteen is, since you know, the technology 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.320 we have today and the social media we have, I 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.040 think it's gotta be tougher for them. I mean, I 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.240 I had a pretty fun time, to be honest, because 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.360 you know, I could I could kind of like have 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.880 moments of you know, getting drunk without anybody noticing and 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.880 doing hanging out with my friends. And there wasn't a 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.560 lot of that obviously, but you know, it wasn't the 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.920 same as it is today. So um, like I said, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.040 I wish, I wish I could have been Actually, I 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.000 wish I could have grabbed it a bit more and 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.960 been in the center of it. And I kind of 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.840 felt it was happening into this other dude five steps 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:32.920 in front of me, do you know what I mean? 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.440 That's what it felt like a lot of the time. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.320 Do you have any moments though that's still I know 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.600 you would like Robert Plant wanting to get a photo 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.800 with you and stuff like that moment the hold on 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.880 to that, really, I think that's that's one of the 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.920 that's one of the craziest things about the fame side 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.760 of things, because like the line Julia Roberts says, it 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.840 isn't real, you know, and it isn't It actually isn't real, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.040 you know, when I'm at home putting the kettle on 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.160 for what my wife, when I first thing in the morning. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.840 Fame is not real at that moment. It's only real 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.520 when well, obviously, when somebody recognizes you. That's when it's 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.280 real and it's real. It's not even when you're on stage. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.080 I don't think fame is real because I know you're famous. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.840 But I think fame is that weird thing when people 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.520 it's almost that the height of it is when people 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.920 aren't expecting you there and then see you that that's 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.600 when it picks in it. Yeah, exactly. If you've bought 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.040 a ticket to go and see a band, you get 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.240 excited about it and everything. But the fame thing has 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.080 sort of slightly gone for me a little bit because 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.280 you're in the room with them doing what they do, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.840 you know what I mean, and enjoying that and so yeah. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.680 But I mean, obviously that in that particular example of 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.959 this thing, because I've I've said that about. You know, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.960 I'm thinking Robert plant Is walking over to me, and 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.280 I'm like, what, what what I've done wrong? I'm kind 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.880 of looking at going like you know, um and and 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.960 I think it was his nephew. Is something just it 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.800 just you know, kind of like me. And he said, oh, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.439 could I get a quick photograph because I want to 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.840 send it, you know, And and and again that would 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.240 have been back in the days of like a real 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:03.879 camera kind of thing, you know, that that you know, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.879 it wasn't like a you know, but I met a 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.160 lot of people who, if I'm brutally honest, I would 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.280 have thought wouldn't have even spoken to me because I 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.560 was in a different genre of music, you know what 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.480 I mean. Obviously I was I was pop, and I 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.119 was I was pretty I'm not putting it down in 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.399 any way, shape or form. I'm just sort of saying 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.199 there are people that are what I call artists who 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.119 have written songs that have stood the test of time, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.040