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Speaker 1: is Renee Brian, a licensed professional counselor and educator with

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Speaker 1: makes Renee's work particularly compelling is her role as a

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Speaker 1: mental health co responder with law enforcement. This growing field

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Speaker 1: today's conversation, we explore what it's like to ride alongside

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Speaker 1: RENEE takes us inside the day to day realities of

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Speaker 1: coresponse work, from gas station interventions to family crises, sharing

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Speaker 1: We discussed the challenges of navigating different professional languages between

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Speaker 1: the work, and why RENEE believes this collaboration represents a

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today, Renee.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, doctor Joy. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was very excited. So at first you

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Speaker 1: we got to chat in right, and you talk to

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Speaker 1: what does it look like for more mental health professionals

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Speaker 1: to work with law enforcement. So if you could tell

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Speaker 1: me a little bit, Renee, about your background and how

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Speaker 2: So, I have a background in the field of education.

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Speaker 2: I've always been very passionate about working with underserved communities

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Speaker 2: as well as diverse populations. I think also opening my

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Speaker 2: I also believe that through my work both in my

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure there is no typical day, but can

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, no day is the same. I come

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Speaker 2: Of course, the clinicians are trained in mental health, but

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Speaker 1: Got it, So, Renne, and tell me, so, are you

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a common nation. So I'm either at the

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Speaker 1: Got it. So you mentioned that sometimes you're called and

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Speaker 1: what's the determining factor about whether you will get called

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Speaker 2: Depending on the level of crisis. Some people just need resources,

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Speaker 1: And is this a state initiative, is this something like

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Speaker 2: There was a Senate bill I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: And basically that kind of shapes the work that we're doing.

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Speaker 2: lot of states are trying to get those programs going

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Speaker 2: all throughout the state of Georgia in general. There's different models.

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Speaker 2: For example, our model is I actually go out and

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Speaker 1: Will, and what additional training did you need a complete

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Speaker 2: Well, I actually believe that working out a psychiatric hospital

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, for sure. I think about how sometimes you

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Speaker 2: My body language is really important because people know you care,

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Speaker 1: So let's say you show up to the gas station

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Speaker 2: And so we're going to utilize all our resources, all

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Speaker 2: that caused the whole encounter to be resolved in an amicable,

437
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, way, where the person was able to come

438
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 2: out of the house and we were able to take

439
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: them to the hospital and all of that. And so

440
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I think sometimes instinctively, it's like, Okay, I know that

441
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: I can use my skill set here to deal with

442
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: this person because this person is actually agitating the scene,

443
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: and so let me talk to him, let me pull

444
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: him away, instead of allowing the officers to deal with

445
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: him and work on him while they work on the

446
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: person that is actually in crisis, even though that person

447
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: moves in somewhat of a crisis too. And so that

448
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: was something that was memorable because I think that caused

449
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: the whole encounter to be resolved in an amicable way,

450
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: where the person was able to come out of the

451
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: house and we were able to take them to the

452
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: hospital and all of that. And so I think sometimes instinctively,

453
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I know that I can use my

454
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: skill set here to deal with this person because this

455
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: person is actually agitating the scene, and so let me

456
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: talk to him, let me pull him away, instead of

457
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: allowing the officers to deal with him. Let me work

458
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: on him while they work on the person that is

459
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: actually in crisis, even though that person moves in somewhat

460
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: of a crisis too.

461
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: But yeah, clear picture when you pink the things like that.

462
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for she ain't in. So you know, Renee,

463
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: I know know about the importance of taking care of

464
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: ourselves as mental health professionals, and especially in this kind

465
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: of work. Right, So can you talk to me about,

466
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: like how you are tending to your own mental health,

467
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: especially like after maybe a very demanding day or a

468
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: very activating experience.

469
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes, oh that is such a good question, doctor Joy. Well,

470
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: one of the things I am doing is I monitor.

471
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 2: I'm constantly monitoring myself where I am. I'm checking in

472
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: with myself because I can tell and I'm like, ooh,

473
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: what's going on in this work? You see a lot? Right,

474
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: But I protect my eyes. I protect myself from certain

475
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: things if I can. Sometimes you can't, but in most

476
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: cases you can because I'm exposed to a lot. Another

477
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: thing I do is I love naps. I take a

478
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: good nap. I rest. I believe in taking rest. I

479
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: believe in going to get a massage. If that's what

480
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: you like to do. I will come home and light

481
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: my bath and body works stress and eucalyptus spearment candles.

482
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites too.

483
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: And take a hot bath and just take in those aromas.

484
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: So I try to keep my senses alive, like my smell,

485
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: my sight. I'll go out in nature. I will also

486
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: go spend time with a friend and have dinner. I'm

487
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: a foodie, so I will go out and just talk

488
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: with someone a friend and we'll just enjoy a meal together.

489
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: But the other thing that's really important for me is

490
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: making sure that I'm a round people that fill my

491
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: tank right, that don't take away from me, that want

492
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: to pour back into me. Because by the end of

493
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: the week, it's a lot of time I'm on empty

494
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: or we're getting there right. And so I try to

495
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: do restorative things, and I try to be around people,

496
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: places and things that will refuel and refill me back up.

497
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: I like to travel that also is restorative for me too,

498
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: and just walking in nature and things like that. But

499
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: the refueling and making sure I'm around people who celebrate me,

500
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: not tolerate, but people who actually celebrate me and enjoy

501
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: my presence and vice versa, and make sure I'm around

502
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: safe spaces where I know that people are listening to

503
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: me and they're hearing my heart and they're actually seeing me.

504
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: You know. Oh, I forgot to add also therapy. I

505
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: get my own therapy, so as I believe a therapist

506
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: needs a therapist, and having someone to just be able

507
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: to just share whatever I want, just to talk about

508
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: anything that I'm going through that can create and provide

509
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: that safe space for me is important, and I look

510
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: forward to going a thing therapy and doing my own.

511
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Work more from our conversation after the break, so, I

512
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: would imagine that there are probably some people enjoying our

513
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: conversation who are thinking like, oh, I didn't even know

514
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: that this was something I could get into. As a

515
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: mental health professional, what suggestions would you have for people

516
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: who are maybe interested in pursuing this kind of work.

517
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: I know your experience in psychiatric emergency rooms. It sounds

518
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: like really prepared you. But if people don't have that experience,

519
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: what accreditations or certificates would you suggest that they pursue?

520
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: You know, if someone doesn't have that experience, I think

521
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 2: I would advise them to look into it. Or get it,

522
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: even if it's not at a psychiatric facility, but maybe

523
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: at a crisis stabilization unit. Spend some time doing that

524
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: and going into that type of work, because I think

525
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: with this work, doctor Joy, you either like it or

526
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: you don't. And I think a good way to test

527
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: that out is by trying to work in a crisis

528
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: stabilization unit or like a psych facility, because that will

529
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: tell you if you enjoy working in crisis. Because every

530
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: day you don't know what crisis is going to happen

531
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: or what's going to pop off, and so it's important

532
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: to know if you can withstand that type of environment.

533
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: I think. So that's one of the suggestions. There are

534
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: other trainings two as far as if a therapist wants

535
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: to get into the field, as well as trainings that

536
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: officers do alongside clinicians and so one of them is

537
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: called the Crisis Intervention Training. There's another training called IKAT,

538
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: which is Integrating Communications, Assessment and Tactics. It's a law

539
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: enforcement training that incorporates mental health and how do you

540
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: talk to people and things of that nature. Also think

541
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: psychological first aid suicide prevention training. I also think that

542
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: it's important to especially given society and just all that's

543
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: going on. I think it's important to educate yourself as

544
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: it pertains to even what law enforcement do and you

545
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: know how they are, So try to get into like

546
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: a citizen's academy, you know where you can actually go

547
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: in and spend I think a lot of them do.

548
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Like a week or two weeks, you spend some time

549
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: actually learning what police officers do and learning about them

550
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: and just the way they work and being exposed to them.

551
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: Also doing a ride along. Many people don't realize that

552
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: they can go to their local police precinct and ask

553
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: to do a ride along with an officer and they

554
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: can ride with them for the day, and that's a

555
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 2: great way to see if this is something that they

556
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: would want to do or would want to pursue. I

557
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: think it's also important to get as much training as

558
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: you can as it pertains to being trauma informed, because

559
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: a lot of this were going on these calls, and

560
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: there's just layers of trauma their family dynamics, Like people

561
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: have a story and so when you look at people

562
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: home mystically, you realize there's just so many layers to

563
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: this and you can unpack it in the one scene

564
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: because you're basically trying to make sure that the person

565
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: gets either stabilized or get some sort of treatment. So

566
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, to make sure that you're getting

567
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: culturally responsive training and trauma informed training, because also you're

568
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: going to be dealing with a diverse community. You're going

569
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: to run into people from all walks of life, various

570
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: socioeconomic backgrounds, different cultures, and things of that nature. So

571
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: I think it's really important to make sure that you're

572
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: culturally informed as well as responsive and trauma informed. Another

573
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: thing is a lot of people have already been doing

574
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: some of this, like the mobile crisis teams that's similar,

575
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: but they don't have an officer. Oftentimes they actually call

576
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: officers to come to accompany them on a call. So

577
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: those are some forms of it. So even trying that

578
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: out too could be something that could open the door

579
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: to see if this is the type of work. But

580
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: it's very rewarding. I really enjoy it. It's rewarding. It

581
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: has its pros and cons. You know, being exposed, but

582
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: there's ways that you protect yourself, such as I've already described,

583
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: like emotionally and things of that nature. The good self

584
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: care is we just discuss, and I also want to

585
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: reiterate or share that as it pertains to safety, I

586
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: feel that we live in a world that is you know,

587
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: there's dangers all around us. Something can happen to anyone

588
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: on a given day. So I really feel that you

589
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: need to be called to this field or to this work, Like,

590
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: if this is your passion and this is what you

591
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: want to do, then the benefits outweigh the risks. And

592
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: then of course with all of the other things that

593
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: I've already shared about how the officers go about keeping

594
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: clinicians safe and the protocols and procedures that are in

595
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: place for those things. And at the end of the day,

596
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: if you're doing the work that you love and your

597
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: call to it, I think that it's something that you

598
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 2: take steps to do. It's something that you count the cost.

599
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: Of course, you don't go into this being naive, but

600
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: I think that there are definitely great procedures and safety

601
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: protocols that are in place to ensure safety. And I

602
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, if you're doing

603
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: the work that you love, that's what's important in ensuring

604
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: that this is something that you actually want to do.

605
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier in AE that the officers have

606
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: additional mental health tre Do you know very much about

607
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: that curriculum, Like what kinds of things are there learning?

608
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like some de escalation things. What are there

609
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: other things that you're aware of that the officers are learning.

610
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's different trainings that are provided and a

611
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: lot of officers, I believe, across the state. It just depends.

612
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: Some do like it's called like CIIT and then they

613
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: also have another training where they are trained to work

614
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: with people who maybe have a weapon but not a firearm,

615
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: so they're learning how to de escalate, how to use communication,

616
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: how to use assessment and tactics to assist a person

617
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: who is in crisis. I believe that officers are also

618
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: exposed to whatever trainings that the department will allow. So

619
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: I know for my unit, they're very open for us

620
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: giving them trainings on various things. So if there's a

621
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: topic that they want to learn more about, we are

622
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: more than welcome to train them in that particular topic

623
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: or sometimes we'll bring it people in to train on

624
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: certain aspects of things that we may want to know

625
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: more about. But they're very much open to and receive

626
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: various aspects of mental health training to make sure that

627
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: our team is on the cutting edge and understanding and

628
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: are well informed around various not only de escalation skills,

629
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: but various aspects and topics of mental health.

630
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. You know you've already kind

631
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: of talked about this, but in terms of like mental

632
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: health being a factor really in most fields, and especially

633
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: as we're moving into, you know, a new century, what

634
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: do you feel like being in this role has really

635
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: taught you about the importance of mental health professionals being

636
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: involved in like the reduction of crime and as a

637
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: part of law enforcement units.

638
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that's an excellent, excellent question. I think that it

639
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: has made a huge impact. Just in the time that

640
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: I've been doing it. I feel like there has been

641
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: such an impact on the work that we do, and

642
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people like numbers. I know

643
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: last year our unit saw a ninety eight percent rate

644
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: of diversion. The people that we've touched or dealt with,

645
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: and I mean touch literally, but the people that we

646
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: it came across or had encounters with had a ninety

647
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: eight percent diversion rate. So that speaks in and of

648
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: itself that this actually work and can work if it's

649
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: done and implement it appropriately. And so I think that

650
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: it's a wonderful collaboration in terms of just bringing down

651
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: those numbers of people being jailed versus getting the resources

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Speaker 2: that they need. Because you have an expert right there

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Speaker 2: on scene, I can say like, no, this person, they

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Speaker 2: need mental health support or they need stabilization. Unfortunately it's

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Speaker 2: not as often, but sometimes people do need to be arrest, right,

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Speaker 2: but you want to give them that opportunity in space

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Speaker 2: to get that treatment first that they need. I know,

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Speaker 2: there's even programs like Mental Health Court where if someone

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Speaker 2: health court where it's accountability court, so they have to

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Speaker 2: of that, and upon finishing the program, they can get

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Speaker 2: their charges either expunged or downgraded in things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: And so that is to me live results or stats

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Speaker 2: saying that hey, this is actually helping, this is actually working,

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Speaker 2: And I think more states need to embrace this model

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Speaker 2: and it's restoring those relationships between law enforcement and the community,

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Speaker 2: which is something that I feel like is needed. And

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Speaker 2: it's a positive right. It's a positive way to do

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Speaker 2: and to demonstrate, like, hey, law enforcement in the community

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Speaker 2: can actually work together, and they can work together very well.

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Speaker 2: But people have to be bought into it, and I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of times people are bought in when

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Speaker 2: they see that there's results that are connected to it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen the impact that we may just on a

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Speaker 2: day to day basis just in the way that we

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Speaker 2: deal with people. I know people even sometimes call for us,

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Speaker 2: like I know that there's a unit there that works

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Speaker 2: with behavioral health. So that's good when you have that,

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Speaker 2: because they're recognizing that that's the resource that they can

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Speaker 2: either them themselves or maybe a family member that is

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Speaker 2: in distress or that's just needing some resources and things

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Speaker 2: of that nature. So it's definitely a factor, and I

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Speaker 2: think that again, mental health and law enforcement is the

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Speaker 2: way of the future.

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Speaker 1: This has been so incredible, Renee, I really appreciated learning

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Speaker 1: so much about this and what you do. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for sharing with us. If you would please

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Speaker 1: let us know where we can stay connected with you.

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Speaker 1: What is your website as well as any social media handles?

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Speaker 1: You'd like to share.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for asking that. I love

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Speaker 2: connecting with people. You can't find me at my website,

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Speaker 2: which is Renee Brian withthey dot com and they can

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Speaker 2: also email me at info at Renee Glin dot com.

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Speaker 2: And then my social media handles are all closer to

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Speaker 2: Eden and that's on ig, Twitter and Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Perfect We will be sure to include all of that

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. Thank you again, Renee.

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Speaker 2: You are so awesome, Doctor George, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad Renee was able to join us for

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much for joining me again this week.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to continuing this conversation with you all

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Speaker 1: real soon.

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