1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: In our investigation of Danielle Richard's disappearance, a lot of 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: names came up. One of them was Robert carry You know, 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: people are a little reluctant to bring his name up 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: because he instilled fear in a lot of people. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: His reputation was scary. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: I've been doing the violent crime and gang thing pretty 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: much for the twenty years I was on the street. Yeah, 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I'd come across all kinds of folks with all kinds 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: of reputations, and I'd have him up in the top 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: five as far as a scary reputation. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: I'm Andre Gunning and this is there and Gone South Street, 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: Episode seven, Head of the Snakes, I say in my 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: dream reached out on the talk. 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: For you filast to me, I'll never give up, no 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: matter how. 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 4: I open my eyes. 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 5: Defineca. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: Just a note, the views and opinions expressed in this 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: podcast are solely those of the individual's participating. This podcast 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: also contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: Discretion is advised. On the evening of April fourteenth, twenty ten, 22 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: Robert Carey was found on the floor of his jail 23 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: cell with a shoelace wrapped around his neck. He had 24 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: been incarcerated on charges for an illegal prescription drug operation. 25 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: But there's so much more to the story. According to 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: a twenty ten article in the Philadelphia Daily News, Robert 27 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Carey was also linked to the the disappearance of Danielle 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: Imbo and Richard Petrone. In fact, there are three sentences 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: buried toward the bottom of that article that I want 30 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: you to hear. When Danielle Imbo and Richard Petrone vanished 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: from South Street in February two thousand and five, rumors 32 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: circulated that Carrie was the hitman who made them disappear. 33 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 3: A source familiar with the area in which Carrie ran 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: part of the drug operation, so that the Street Talk 35 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: had implicated Carrie in the couple's disappearance. A law enforcement 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: source said authorities eyed Carrie but never declared him a suspect. 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: I asked FBI agent Fido Rosselli if he was aware 38 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: of that article. 39 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I will comment any further, but the 40 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: article is very interesting. 41 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: That article pretty much said Robert Carey did it, but 42 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: law enforcement never charged him and never publicly named him 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: a suspect. Of course, there's also the fact that he's dead, 44 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: So I'm interested to hear how the FBI first identified 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: him as a person of interest. 46 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: If you have a case that's a clean murder, one 47 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: of the first things you start looking at is who 48 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: has the motive, and then you try and find some 49 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: connections to individuals that were built for that kind of activity, 50 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: and then you would build the murder of a higher 51 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: case that way. Through the investigation, a lot of names 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: came up. One of them was Robert Carrey. He was 53 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: subject of a pill distribution ring and was the head 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: of the snake of that investigation. 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: According to a twenty ten Courier Post article, Robert Carey 56 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: headed a scheme to obtain and sell opioids like oxycon 57 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: and percocet. Between two thousand and eight and twenty ten alone, 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: Carrie obtained over one hundred and forty thousand pills using 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: counterfeit prescription pads. The FEDS learned these pads contained the 60 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: names of real doctors, but had a phone number manned 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: by Carrie's people. They posed as employees of those doctors, 62 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: so whenever the pharmacy's called to verify those prescriptions, they 63 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: wound up talking with Robert Carey's associates. So how did 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 3: a guy who was arrested for selling oxycon and percocet, 65 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: get tied up in the investigation of Danielle and. 66 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: Richard starting in two thousand and nine. 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: His name comes up as being associated somehow in this 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: couple's disappearance. 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: Vito said, the Drug task Force within the Pennsylvania Attorney 70 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: General's Office passed along that tip. 71 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: They brought forward to me details that involved my investigation, 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and that's where Robert Carry's name really came up, and 73 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: that's where I really started focusing on him. So I 74 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: started digging into him, and he was a bad dude 75 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: on paper. 76 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: I clearly never. 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Met the guy, but I certainly talked to a whole 78 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: bunch of folks that knew him. 79 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: His reputation was scary. 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: He was a tough kid, smart, street smart individual, had 81 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: a lot of people scared. 82 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: We found that out pretty quickly. My team learned that 83 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: Robert Carey attended North Catholic, a private all boys high 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: school in Philadelphia. At its peak, it was the largest 85 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Catholic high school in the world. It's closed now, but 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: you would never know it because to this day people 87 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 3: wear it's moniker proudly. It's like a brotherhood, a fraternity. 88 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: We reached out to a dozen of his classmates, but 89 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: no one wanted to talk to us on the record, 90 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: and then we found this court record. Said Robert Carey 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: once bragged to his girlfriend that he had quote tight 92 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: friends strictly from fear alone. 93 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: There are a lot of individuals I spoke to that 94 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: were personally on the receiving end of some of his violence. 95 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: At least one of his arrests dealt with being so 96 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: physically violent, where you know, he took masage into his 97 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: own hands and put somebody's eye out. 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: He put somebody's eye out. According to a twenty ten 99 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: pill Aadelphia Daily News article, that man owed Robert Carrey 100 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: money twenty four hundred for drugs, and when he didn't 101 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 3: pay up, Carrie began stalking the victim. He eventually found 102 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: the man and in January of twenty ten, beat him 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: up so badly he broke the victim's nose, fractured three 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: bones in his face, and knocked out his left eye, 105 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: Like literally knocked the guy's eye out. In March of 106 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: twenty ten, police arrested Robert Carey and charged him with 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: attempted murder. We didn't just hear these rumors from the FBI. 108 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: We've spoken to sources that also confirmed these rumors about 109 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: Carrie's reputation, but they were all too afraid to come 110 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: on the record except for one, and he asked us 111 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: to keep his name anonymous. 112 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 6: He was a fighter. His main thing was, you know, 113 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 6: to scare anyone else that may owe him money. And 114 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 6: if he had to beat you up, he's going to 115 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 6: do bad damage. 116 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what Robert Carey did. 117 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 6: This guy oeda money, He waited for him, schnuck into 118 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 6: his work behind him and literally should a guy's eye 119 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 6: fall out of his head when he was beating them 120 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 6: and figured he killed them. Like he literally said, when 121 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 6: his eye fell out of his head, he thought. 122 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: He was dead. 123 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. That victim survived the beating. And then, 124 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: according to the Courier Post, Robert Carey tried to intimidate 125 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: a witness to that beating but it all backfired. 126 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: He talked about beating this dude and he bragged how 127 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 6: he went and did it because he wanted people to know, 128 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 6: if you borrow money from me, I want my money, 129 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 6: or you're going to have fear of this type just 130 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 6: stopt happening. 131 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: In April twenty ten, an article ran in the Philadelphia 132 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: Daily News that detailed everything from Robert Carey's past, his 133 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: alleged prescription pill empire, the beatdown of that victim who 134 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: lost his left eye, and how he was rumored to 135 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: be the hit man who killed Danielle and Richard. My 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: team talked with one of the authors of that article. 137 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: He told us that after that article came out, several 138 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: people from Robert Carey's neighborhood called or wrote him, questioning 139 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 3: his sanity. They warned him that Carrie was a big 140 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: man about the block who routinely took care of matters 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: with his own hands, and they warned the author that 142 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: Carrie might come after him once he got out of jail. 143 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: FBI agent Vito ROSSELLI. 144 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: I'd come across all kinds of folks with all kinds 145 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: of reputations, and I'd have him up in the top 146 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: five as far as a scary reputation. 147 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: He was, of course of interest. 148 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: But unfortunately they found him dead in his jail Celle 149 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: Love in Bucks County Correctional Facility. 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: Jail officials told the Philadelphia Daily News Robert Kerrey hung 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: himself with the shoelace, but the investigation into Robert Kerrey's 152 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: connection to Danielle and Richard lived on. I asked Philly 153 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: TV reporter Dave Schratweiser what he heard. 154 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 7: There were rumors that before he died, he penned some 155 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 7: type of note in which he talked about Ian Boh 156 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 7: and Petrunk case. There were reports before the note part 157 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 7: of its surface, that he told an inmate in prison 158 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 7: that he was involved in that, or he knew people 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 7: who were involved in that. We chased it, and to 160 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 7: my knowledge, neither one of those two things ended up 161 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 7: being true. 162 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: I asked FBI agent Vito Rosselli about the note Carrie 163 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: was said to leave behind. 164 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: A suicide note was left. That's public knowledge. 165 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Of course, I viewed that suicide note. There was a 166 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: lot of interesting statements, as you could imagine, but there 167 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: was no direct confession to Danielle Rich's disappearance that I found. 168 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: No direct confession. That answer almost made me wonder if 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: there was more to the story. But all Vito would 170 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: say about the note was that it was five pages long. 171 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: Of course, that's left everyone connected to the story wondering 172 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: just what exactly did Robert Carey write in those five pages. 173 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: Here's Richard Petron's cousin Stacy. 174 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 8: I do wish I could see that suicide note, and 175 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 8: I think the fact that we don't know what's in 176 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 8: that suicide note says more than. 177 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: Anything outside the handful of people who have read the note, 178 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: its contents remain a mystery, But Stacy said she knows 179 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: enough to have formed her own theory about what happened 180 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: to Danielle and Richard. 181 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 9: When they actually said the words murder for hire, we 182 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 9: were shocked. Once you get into murder for hire, it's personal, 183 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 9: it's someone with a reason. The fact that it was 184 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 9: so professional, that it was so clean, I believe that 185 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 9: Robert Carey was the hit man. This person expected to 186 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 9: only encounter Danielle. 187 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 8: Danielle was tiny. 188 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 3: According to the missing Person's fire Danielle was five to 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: five and weighed one hundred and seventeen pounds. 190 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 8: That's what he expected to encounter. I mean, he certainly 191 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 8: didn't expect Richard plocking it around two hundred pounds. 192 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: To Stacy's point, Richard was five nine. He played hockey, 193 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: and his family said he wasn't someone who could just 194 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: easily be taken down. 195 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 8: This was so professionally done, that it was able to 196 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 8: handle that hicc hop without skipping a beat, and lo 197 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 8: and behold, Robert carry goes and hangs himself. 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 9: That's when it begs the question, what did you do based. 199 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 8: Upon your life of crime that bothered you so much 200 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 8: that you had to take your own life. 201 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: I thought about what Richard Petron's cousin Stacy said about 202 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: how tight lipped the FBI was about their investigation, how 203 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: they didn't reveal much to the public except in two 204 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: thousand and eight. That's when they held a press conference 205 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: and said Danielle and Richard might have been victims of 206 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: a murder for higher plot. Two years later, the Philadelphia 207 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: Daily News reported that the rumored hitman was Robert Carey. 208 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: All of this, of course, is speculation. The FBI has 209 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: never said it was definitely murder for hire, but that 210 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: didn't stop more speculation about who the intended target was. 211 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: My colleague Ben and I talked about this at length. 212 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 10: I think Stacey said there's like a two percent chance 213 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 10: that Richard was the target and a ninety eight percent 214 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 10: chance that Danielle was the target. 215 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 11: But a zero percent chance that it was both of 216 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 11: them at the same time is what I heard her 217 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 11: say right where John, I'm not sure he necessarily feels 218 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 11: that way. 219 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: Danielle's brother John said something in the last episode about 220 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: who he believed the intended target was. 221 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 12: These two people are creatures of habit, and if either 222 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 12: one of them were a target, they could have very 223 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 12: easily gotten either one of them by themselves. They had 224 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 12: to have been targeted together. 225 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: What John believes runs counter to the FBI's theory. 226 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 10: If the hit or the target was one person, they're 227 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 10: going to wait until that person is alone because they 228 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 10: don't want witnesses or involve someone else that has nothing 229 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 10: to do with what this is about, right, and expose 230 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 10: themselves to more hassle. 231 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 11: That to me makes more sense than a planned hit 232 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 11: being carried out against two people when it was supposed 233 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 11: to be one. If there's the outside shot that it 234 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 11: was the two of them, the only way that's a 235 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 11: possibility is that if someone on South Street saw them 236 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 11: together and then put in a phone call right and 237 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 11: called someone or worked a network saying hey, you're never 238 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 11: going to believe this, but they're actually together tonight. 239 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 10: Alternatively, if it had to be on that specific weekend. 240 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 11: If February nineteenth was the planned night. 241 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 10: Then they had no other choice to handle both of them. 242 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 10: Or there's also another scenario where this was kind of 243 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 10: an escalation where the intended outcome was not necessarily to 244 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 10: kill one or the other. It was to send a 245 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 10: message or threaten one of them, and it went. 246 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: Out of control. 247 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 11: I think motive is going to be tied with identifying 248 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 11: who was the target. 249 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: Ben is right. I know this is a question we've 250 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: asked from the beginning, but as we've learned more, it 251 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: has led to more questions than answers. Is it to 252 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: kill one of them? Both of them? And now I 253 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: keep thinking of this scenario about it being one of intimidation. 254 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: Could an attempt to threaten escalate to something so much worse? 255 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: These questions we are asking will ultimately lead us to 256 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: why why they are gone. Here's FBI agent beat O Vercelli. 257 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: Motive for me was always a big challenge in this 258 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: and still is a big challenge because there's a couple 259 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: of competing motives, but both kind of fit this investigative 260 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: theory with how they got rid of the truck. Who 261 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: may have done the actual deed. But here we are 262 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: twenty years later, Noah wrest Are made. 263 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: A twenty ten article in the Philadelphia Daily News reported 264 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: that sources in law enforcement and on the streets named 265 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: Robert Kerry as the alleged hit man. 266 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: A lot of names came up. One of them was 267 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: Robert Carey. I'm not talking inside baseball. That's kind of 268 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: almost common knowledge at this point that his name comes 269 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: up as being associated somehow in this couple's disappearance. 270 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: If Robert Carey was the alleged hitman, did he have 271 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: a motive or was he simply the hired gun? And 272 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: why did he end up dead in his jail cell? 273 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: And how jail officials said that he hung himself with 274 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: a shoelace. But why It again made me wonder what 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: was in that note he left. But Vito said that 276 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: after Robert Carey's death, something strange started happening. 277 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: After he dies in April of twenty ten, more people 278 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: started coming out of the woodwork. I started getting all 279 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: kinds of folks, informants, tips coming in about Robert Carey 280 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: and associates of Robert Carey repeating rumors or talking about 281 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: specific interactions they had with Robert Carey, both on the 282 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: good side and a whole hell of a lot on 283 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: the bad violence side. 284 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: I asked my anonymous source, who claimed to know Robert 285 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: Carey if if he had heard any other rumors anything 286 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: about his violent side. 287 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 6: He definitely killed Shannon Fox. 288 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: She was a bartender, Shannon Fox. I had to look 289 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: it up. So according to a two thousand and two 290 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: Philadelphia Daily News article, Shannon was also known as Shana Simsak. 291 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: Early one December morning in two thousand and two, the 292 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: thirty one year old bartender was found unconscious at the 293 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 3: bottom of a stairwell in her apartment building. She suffered 294 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: significant head injuries. After four days on life support, Shannon died. 295 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 6: We were actually standing on a corner. I did personally 296 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 6: hear Bobby Carrey say that he did the light bulb 297 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 6: in Shannon's apartment and had a hood on. He talked 298 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 6: about how they would never find DNA because he were 299 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 6: a tight hood and gloves. 300 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: I asked my source why Robert Carrey, who was also 301 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: known around the neighborhood as Bobby, would do something like 302 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: this to Shannon Fox. 303 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 6: So her boyfriend got arrested for pills, and supposedly the 304 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 6: pills were Bobby cares His goal was to not kill anybody, probably, 305 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 6: but I know he was going to smack the guy 306 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 6: with a stick or whatever he had in his hand. 307 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 6: I don't remember directly, but he said that he waded 308 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 6: up there in the dark. He was telling his story 309 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 6: to a couple other people that was there, like bragging 310 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 6: about it. 311 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: Drinking again, here's agent Theodore Rosselli. 312 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: There was other stories about getting retribution, stalking people and 313 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: getting retribution for perceived wrong, whether somebody ripped him off 314 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: in the drug business or did him dirty in some 315 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: way or the other where he perceived he did him dirty. 316 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: People that talked to me would tell me stories about 317 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: how he would, you know, exact revenge on those specific individuals, 318 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: and it was pretty personal. And then kind of understood 319 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: that why maybe you know, people are a little reluctant 320 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: to bring his name up because he instilled fear in 321 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people. 322 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: At the time of his death, Robert Carey was forty 323 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: years old and pursuing a law degree in college. Although 324 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: he wasn't married, he had a fiance. We reached out 325 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: to her but never heard back. We also got in 326 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: touch with Robert's mother, although she did not want to 327 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: talk to us on the record, she told us he 328 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: was my son. I loved him. Why is anyone going 329 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: to believe what I have to say. I'm supposed to 330 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: say nice things like most people in Philly. Robert Carey's 331 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: mother said she was aware of this story about Danielle 332 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: and Richard's disappearance, but she said her son had absolutely 333 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: nothing to do with it. And we can't ignore the 334 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: fact the police have never charged Robert Carey or even 335 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: named him a suspect. When Robert Carey was found dead 336 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: in jail, he was facing attempted murder and felony identity 337 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: theft charges, and according to Vito, those were just the 338 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: charges that actually stuck. 339 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: He had a pretty extensive rap sheet and yet no convictions. 340 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: They all basically got dismissed. 341 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: According to court records, between nineteen ninety and twenty ten, 342 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: Robert Carey pled guilty to three separate simple assault charges. 343 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: He's twice pled guilty to criminal conspiracy. He also pled 344 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: guilty to theft, attempted theft, and criminal mischief each time 345 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 3: he received probation. Along with aspiring to be a lawyer, 346 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: Robert Kerrey also had other business ventures. Become through public 347 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: records and learned he also owned a Philadelphia bar and 348 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: grill called Krabbe's. 349 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: What I understood by a number of sources, he had 350 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: an illegal gambling wholesome gambling tables up on the second story. 351 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: Never really took off from what I gathered. 352 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: Crabbe's was open for about five years and closed sometime 353 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: around two thousand and six. Now this may be a stretch, 354 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: but we learned from one of Danielle's friends that Danielle 355 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: had a side hustle. She used to work for a 356 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: company as a dealer that hosted private gambling events such 357 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: as birthday parties and charity functions, and sporadically picked up 358 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: shifts in the months before she disappeared. And then we 359 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 3: found this out back in two thousand and five, Robert 360 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: Carey owned a townhouse in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. And 361 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 3: if Mount Laurel sounds familiar to you, that's because it's 362 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: the same township where Danielle Embo and her son lived. 363 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: Danielle's condo sat roughly five miles away from Robert Carey's townhouse, 364 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: so there definitely were opportunities for Danielle to cross path 365 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: with Robert Carey. 366 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: But did they I never came across a specific insign or, 367 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: time or place, or a witness that was able to 368 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: put Danielle to Robert Carrey together. 369 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: There were plenty of possibilities, but no direct connections between 370 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: Robert Carey and Danielle or Robert Kerrey and Richard. I 371 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: asked TV reporter Dave Schratweiser what he knew about Robert Carey. 372 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: I never even heard of the guy before. 373 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 7: To be honest with you, he got on my radar 374 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 7: screen because the Attorney General's office held the press conference 375 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 7: at a time when the opioid epidemic was kind of 376 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 7: just starting and the fake prescription scam was everywhere, and 377 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 7: they announced that Robert Carrey was kind of at the 378 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 7: top of the chain in that operation. 379 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 4: And it was a big operation. 380 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: According to a twenty ten article in the Philadelphia Daily News, 381 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: that operation was a multimillion dollar scheme, So Robert Carey 382 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 3: had plenty of money, he had power, he was feared. 383 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: It begs a number of different questions, like why would 384 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: someone who bragged about nearly killing someone with his fists 385 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: and traded on his reputation of intimidation and fear decides 386 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: to finally get a conscience and kill himself. And to 387 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: that end, if he was the rumored hitman, why get 388 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: involved in the murder of two strangers, especially if he 389 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: had people to handle matters for him. From everything I've 390 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: learned about the guy, this was either a personal vendetta 391 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: or he did it as a favor for someone else. 392 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 7: There's all these possibilities here, but there's no connection. There's 393 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 7: no link. There's no thread that leads you to say, yeah, 394 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 7: that's what happened. There's nothing to connect these possibilities thread wise, 395 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 7: evidence wise, link wise that would lead to a conclusion 396 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 7: beyond the reasonable doubt. 397 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: In the last episode, we talked extensively about a guy 398 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 3: named Rob Lefloor, the one who owned a couple strip 399 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: clubs and a junkyard called Gianna's. Gianna's has since closed, 400 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: but according to FBI agent Fiodo Rosselli, it was the 401 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: only Philly junk yard back in two thousand and five 402 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: had an industrial crusher. 403 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Common sense, you want to look at how a truck 404 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: could have disappeared, and Gianna's was a logical conclusion. Rob Laflor, 405 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: being the owner, was obviously somebody that. 406 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: We took a very hard look at. 407 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: So I know it gets a little confusing. 408 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: Here. 409 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 3: There's Rob laflor who owned the Philly Junkyard with an 410 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: industrial crusher, and then there's Robert Carey, who was rumored 411 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: to be the hitman. And guess what we learned that 412 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 3: the two of them actually knew one another. 413 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to call them best buddies, but they 414 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: were associates, close associates. 415 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: Just like Robert Carey, Rob Lafloor was embroiled in some 416 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: serious investigations. A twenty eleven Philly Daily News article said 417 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: Lafloor's two strip clubs and Junkyard were being investigated by 418 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: the FBI in an alleged kickback scheme, and there was more. 419 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: Lafloor was also facing third degree murder charges after a 420 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine alter ca in the parking lot 421 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: of Laflora's strip club Oasis Gentlemen's Club. One patron was 422 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 3: injured while the other was struck and hit the pavement. 423 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: He later died, but just like his associate Robert Carrey, 424 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: Rob laflor never made it into the courtroom. 425 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, when I started refocusing on Rob Lafloor and Gianna's 426 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and people associated there, Robert Floor was dead. 427 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: He had died of an overdose. 428 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: Rob Laflor died in twenty twelve. He was forty six 429 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: years old. 430 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time going up this path 431 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: of Rob Lafloor, and we dug up a bunch of good, 432 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: solid leads from that investigation. But I never closed the 433 00:25:47,080 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: door and Robbed Lafloor. Unfortunately he's dead. 434 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: He talked about Robert Carrey and Rob Laflor and how 435 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: they were rumored to be connected to Danielle and Richard's disappearance. 436 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: Neither of them have been charged in this case or 437 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: named a suspect, but they both died Carrie in twenty 438 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: ten and Lafloor in twenty twelve. There's also Danielle's estranged husband, 439 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: Joe Imbo. Just like the others, Joe has never been 440 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: charged or named a suspect. There's also another name attached 441 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 3: to this case who not only is alive, but he's 442 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: currently sitting in prison, a man named Anthony Rideski. Here's 443 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 3: Vido Rosselli. 444 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Rideski. He was somebody that law enforcement was looking 445 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: at shortly after the disappearance because he killed two people 446 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: around the same time that the couple disappeared. In pretty 447 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: gruesome fashion. 448 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 3: Radeski killed two people in the community right next to 449 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 3: where Danielle Embo lived in a township called Maple Shade, 450 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: New Jersey. In March of two thousand and five, about 451 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: a month after Danielle and Richard vanished, Anthony Rodeski carried 452 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: out the first of his two murders. According to a 453 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: two thousand and five Courier Post article, Anthony Rodeski was 454 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 3: out on parole at the time and was living in 455 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: a halfway house. That's when someone caught his eye. In 456 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: a nearby motel parking lot. 457 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: He observed the owner of one of the motels walking 458 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: with what he thought was a money bag from his 459 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: car to his office, so he decided to go back 460 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: and rob that guy, but. 461 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: That robbery went sideways. In court, Rodeski told the judge 462 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: that when the owner screamed, he shot him, and instead 463 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: of taking off with the money, Radeski only got away 464 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 3: with the motel owner's car. About a week later, Radeski 465 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 3: struck again. This time it happened inside his home. According 466 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: to a two thousand and five Courier Post article, Anthony 467 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: Radeski had done work for flooring company and invited the 468 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: owner of that company to his house under the guise 469 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: of a business transaction, but Rodeski really wanted to collect 470 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: a debt he felt the victim own him. Radeski wound 471 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: up firing seven shots at that man, hitting his head 472 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: and chest. And believe it or not, the story gets 473 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: even worse. After Radeski's step son heard the gunfire, he 474 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: ran into the room. That's when Radeski held a gun 475 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: to his steps on and ordered him to stab the victim. 476 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: And that's what his stepsn did multiple times. The victim 477 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: died a short time later. For the next week, Rideski 478 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: used the victim's credit card and checkbook to steal forty 479 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: thousand dollars from the victim. Meanwhile, he stashed the victim's 480 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: dead body in the basement of their home and left 481 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: it there for a week before disposing of it. 482 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: He takes that body and dumps it in the woods 483 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: because it started getting a little too ripe, and no 484 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: body's found and then that's when things started unraveling for 485 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: mister Radeski. 486 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: Police later arrested Rideski and his step son. His step 487 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: son pled guilty to reckless man slaughter and was sentenced 488 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: to six years, while Anthony Radeski pled guilty to two 489 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: counts of felony murder. He was sentenced to sixty years 490 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: in prison without the chance of parole. 491 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: The Anthony Rideski wasn't is a bad dude, did some 492 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: bad things at that time. 493 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: Keep in mind, these two murders happened five to six 494 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: weeks after Danielle and. 495 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Richard vanished, so of course his name came up, and 496 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: of course he was somebody who had to spend a 497 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of time investigating. 498 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: The thought was, if Radeski was capable of these two murders, 499 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: could he also be responsible for killing Danielle and Richard 500 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: Viudis and law enforcement took a good hard look at 501 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: Rideski to find that answer. 502 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: You know, I sent dive teams in Central Jersey dug 503 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: up farms based on information that was coming from people 504 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: close to Anthony Rideski. 505 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: A forensics team spent a good chunk of time going 506 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: through Radeski's house. 507 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time in the basement, had 508 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: him siphon out a septic tank, had to go through 509 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: all the sludge looking for o evidence. 510 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: That won me a lot of friends, but all that. 511 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: Dirty work didn't uncover any conclusive evidence that Redsky was 512 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: involved in the murder of Tanielle and Richard. 513 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: The amount of promising directions and leads that this case 514 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: has taken it had a lot of ups and downs 515 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: where you thought you're on the right track and then 516 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: you've run up against a wall, or you think you're 517 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: on the right track and you just can't take it 518 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: any further because all your leads are dead, are gone. 519 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: Today. Anthony Rideski is in a maximum security present in Illinois. 520 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: In the winter of twenty twenty four, our team reached 521 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: out to one of his attorneys in hopes of talking 522 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: with him, but that conversation went nowhere. In the last episode, 523 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: we talked about that meeting with law enforcement that Danielle's 524 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 3: brother John sat in on, the one where they wrote 525 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: names on a whiteboard and then talked about motive. We've 526 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: spent much of this episode doing the same thing. And 527 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: when I look at the names on our whiteboard, two 528 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: of them are dead, one is in on an unrelated conviction, 529 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: but none of them were ever charged or named suspects 530 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: in this case. To me, the most intriguing name is 531 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: Robert Carey. The alleged hitman. Here's a guy who had 532 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: been running a lucrative prescription pill ring. He had money, 533 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 3: he had a fiance, he was studying to become a lawyer. 534 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: Why get involved in killing Danielle and Richard? And conversely, 535 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: why did he take his own life in jail. In 536 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: the nearly fifteen years since Robert Carrey died, no one 537 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: in his circle has talked. And while we spent the 538 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: last twenty minutes running through our whiteboard of who could 539 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: have been responsible, the victims families and friends have been 540 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: living through this for the last twenty years. Here's Philly 541 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: TV reporter Dave Schratweiser. 542 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 7: They were frustrated both sides. They're looking for answers, and 543 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 7: that was, in my mind, always the key for them. 544 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 7: Just tell us something, Just tell us something about what 545 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 7: happened to here. 546 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: As any journalist or member of law enforcement would tell 547 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: you, you try to keep emotion out of it, but it 548 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: isn't easy. 549 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 7: I have to tell you, I've never met a Warmer 550 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 7: family who kind of embraced the people who covered the story. 551 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 7: And it wasn't just me, it was reporters from other stations, 552 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 7: and they were affable, kind and cooperative. 553 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: Dave said he spent the most time with the Patrons 554 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: and formed a bond with Richard's father, Richard Senior. 555 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: He was always very welcoming to me. Lovable guy. 556 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 7: If you spent five minutes with him in a room, 557 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 7: you like the guy. And Marge kind of the power 558 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 7: behind the throne, you know, the quiet power behind the throne. 559 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 4: And you know, listen. 560 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 7: The thing that kind of hurts my heart the most 561 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 7: is I have seen the pain in both of their faces, 562 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 7: in Richard's daughter's face, reliving it, trying to figure it out. 563 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 7: And it's the mystery of it. It's the no answers 564 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 7: part of it that you kind of grabs you and 565 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 7: kind of throttles you. You're like, who would want the 566 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 7: car and this couple to disappear without a trace. Those 567 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 7: are nightmares kind of thoughts to live with every day. 568 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: When we talked with Marge, she said her husband became 569 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: a different person after their son disappeared. 570 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 13: With no words scene. He's not all there some days. 571 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 13: You know, my welf killed him too. 572 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: Marge said her husband has been riddled with guilt that 573 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: he should have done more to protect Richard. 574 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 13: He said, I didn't protect my son. I'm his father. 575 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 13: I should have protected him. Hell, we didn't know that 576 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 13: he was going on a date and never coming back. 577 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 13: I had no idea, I said, how would we know 578 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 13: that he was thirty five years old? We're going to 579 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 13: follow him like no. 580 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: Up until now, you haven't heard from Richard Senior. He's 581 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: been in and out of the hospital and not well 582 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: enough for us to interview him. But recently he was 583 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: back home and Ben was fortunate to meet with him. 584 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 5: Richard's disappearance that put a period in my life. There's 585 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 5: everything that happened before and everything that happened since. 586 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 3: They spent a couple hours talking about everything from Danielle. 587 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: She was the closest. 588 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 5: Thing my son would ever get to, the perfect match. 589 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 3: To what he thinks happened to his son. 590 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 5: I think the evidence speaks for itself. 591 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: We also learned about how difficult it was when the 592 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: investigators turned the tables. 593 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 13: He had to take a live detector test. You know 594 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 13: what that did to him one day when they brought 595 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 13: him in to take a hive detector test to say, 596 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 13: you know what happened to your son? 597 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: That's next time on there and gone. If you have 598 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 3: any information about the disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Patrone. 599 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: Please call the Citizens Crime Commission tip line at two 600 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: one five five four six eight four seven seven, or 601 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 3: contact the Thereon Gone team at thearngonepod at gmail dot com. 602 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 3: That's Therein Gone Pod at gmail dot com. We're grateful 603 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 3: for your support. 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