WEBVTT - Bitcoin and the Great Humanity Equalizer 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.160 All right, Hello, welcome to another episode of the markro 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:04.840 mov Show, where we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.080 trying to explain to you the play by play of 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.800 what the heck is going on in the world. And 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.760 you know, I'd like to bring you some education so 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.560 you can start to understand subjects a little bit differently, 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.160 changing the way you think about money. As I always say, 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:17.760 I like to bring to you some of the latest 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.680 breaking news headlines so you can see what is going 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.200 on with the play by play of the signposts, and 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.000 of course some interesting guests so you can listen to 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.840 some different perspectives than just mine. And that's what we 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:29.800 have for you today. I am joined in the studio 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:34.560 with q. He is one of my friends, my research 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.960 assistant and the producer, and we want to have some 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.240 conversations today that I think will help give a different 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.400 perspective because, believe it or not, him and I don't 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.920 agree on everything, and believe it or not, that's a 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.240 good thing. You see. One of the things as humans 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.760 and as an investors, is that our own human emotions 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.959 make us horrible investors. And part of the reason why 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.120 is because we suffer from all types of biases, and 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.960 you always have to be aware of what your biases are. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.680 And so we suffer from things like normalcy bias or 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.240 recentcy bias. So if prices are going up, they're always 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.200 going up. If prices going down, they're always going down. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.360 Things like that. But one of the things that we 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.760 suffer from is something called confirmation bias. And what that 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.960 means is like you see the world for whatever it 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.240 is because of the lens that you have. Your experience 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.680 is what shapes that. And what most people do is 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.840 they look for information to confirm the bias they have. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.160 But a much better way is to always try to 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.360 disprove your bias, and so I do that. I always 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.240 try to disprove my bias, and so I like to 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.840 talk to people I don't agree with. I call it 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.600 like verbal sparring. I grew up doing martial arts karate 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.640 as a kid, lots of jiu jitsu, mutai, and I 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.520 love just putting on some sparring gear and just going 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.280 at it with some friends. Not hard, but just fun 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.760 and it's fun and you sharpen yourself. And so this 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.920 is like a verbal sparring so que. Anyway, thanks for 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.800 joining me today. It's always a pleasure talking to you 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.800 because we don't agree on everything, and it's fun just 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.120 to dissect that. And it's proof that people can have 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.120 different viewpoints and still be friends and get along. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:03.840 Absolutely. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:09.360 I'll start off by saying, I'm sure you've seen the headlines, like, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:14.040 I don't know, forty six fifty four whatever the number is, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:15.720 people that have worked for the Hillary Clinton, for the 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.079 Clinton Foundation have ended up dead. And I'm sure you've 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:24.399 seen that, right and Killery as she's been called, right, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.359 And while I think that is where they smoke, there's fire, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.919 and that seems well, that seems like there's a big problem. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.239 And I certainly believe she's one of the most corrupt politicians, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.239 probably under Biden at this point, but one of the 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.040 most career corrupt politicians. I saw recently Patrick Bett David 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:46.000 had Michael Wiener or Scott Wiener on his show and 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.880 he was the one that was married to Huma Abodeen 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.960 and sent the pictures of the you know, the penis 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.720 or whatever, and Patrick Way David went hard on him, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.959 and I don't agree with him. He's a way different 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.160 then I am. Politically. His wife whom Aberdeen is caught 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.240 up in all types of bad things with Hillary. But 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.640 I listened to his perspective and I have to say 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.880 that he had a good point. I kind of lean 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.040 with Patrick bed david and there's where they smoke. There's 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.160 fire real quick. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.160 Was what was the point? 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.480 Just so that the point was? Patrick mc david says, Look, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.040 I got all these questions that we want to ask you, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.200 but I can't really substantiate any of these. So I 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.160 want to know, why is there whatever fifty sixty people 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.320 that have died on the Hillary Clinton campaign. And Scott 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.880 Waders like, come on, man, really, and like patrickay david 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.920 was not letting this go, like he hammered, hammered, hammered, right, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:44.640 But I found myself going, man, Weider's got some good points. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.000 And basically his defense was, look, Hillary Clinton's whatever, seventy 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.360 years old. I don't know what exactly, seventy five years old, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.520 through the Clinton Foundation and through decades and decad decades 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.000 of public service and billions and blah blah blah. She's 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.119 had one hundreds, she's had thou thousands of people work 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.200 for her, thousands of people. She's seventy years old. People die. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.640 I'm like, dang, that's actually a pretty good answer. And 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.440 so my point is is like always always check your 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.840 bias and be willing to take in new information that 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.960 challenges That's kind of my setup story. That's kind of 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.440 I was thinking about it. No, I like that. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.599 It's Awkham's razor. The simplest solution is often the right answer. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.359 Like it just logic would validate that claim. Like, I'm 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.600 thirty years old, I don't know a lot. I've worked 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.200 with a lot of people. Most of the people I've 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.320 worked with, they're still alive. Yeah, talk to me in 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.800 forty years, probably be singing a different tune. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.480 Right exactly. So when you're seventy a lot of people 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.560 you've worked for have died, you know. But when you 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.240 understand how corrupt they are and how much they lie 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.960 and censor, then it leads, you know, leads to wild speculation. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.719 And that's part of the problem with you know, whatever, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.520 quote unquote conspiracy. The lack of transparency leads to that. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.360 And so when you're always being lied to, then you 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.240 just think everything's a lie. And so it's tough to 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.320 talk about We're gonna talk about bitcoin and the Great 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.120 humanity Equalizer because there's a lot of inequality in the 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.080 world today, and I think both of us agree that 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.240 we think we are moving into world that could be 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.080 much more equal. And so I want to talk about 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.880 some things that we go through. You know, first of all, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.760 what do you think about that, like humans being what 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:25.240 do you think about human equality? 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.320 I mean, I think I have a We've talked so 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.919 much about these things. I know I have a different 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.760 perspective than you on this, like I and I recognize 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.320 where my perspective comes. I grew up in America. I'm 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.400 an American citizen. My parents are both immigrants into this country, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.239 and I was born here an American citizen, not because 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.599 I took a test, not because I passed some qualification, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.679 just I want a lottery. Everyone else in my family 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.560 is back in Iran. They don't have the same access 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.279 to a lot of the things that I am granted. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.880 So I know, off the bat, we're actually we're not 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.479 created equal, but the advantages that we are granted in life, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.039 it's up to us how we choose to use that. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.400 So well, hang on, let's back that up. So we 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.880 are created equal, but whatever regime you may be under 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.640 might choose to take away some of those equality options, right, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.359 And to your point, I mean, you could be a 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.159 thirteen or fifteen year old kid that was born in 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.480 Iran and you don't get to join the financial system. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.599 Nope, simply because of decisions that are well out of 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:31.120 your control. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:31.440 Yeah. 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:32.960 Or you could be in Africa and you just don't 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.000 have access to electricity. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.000 Right so, or you don't have access to the ideas 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.240 or whatever. Right. But I think and so I think 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.560 that's the big problem. And I think equality the way 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.839 I think about it is like equality of what, equality 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.039 of what? So, equality of an outcome or equality of 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.880 a chance. So there's no way to guarantee equality of 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.400 an out well, the only way to guarantee equality of 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.760 an outcome is to make sure that you only have 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.480 one choice, right, so, Q take this or leave it. Well, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.080 I can guarantee the outcome. We're gonna take it. Of course, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.920 if I give you iPhone or an Android, some people 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.120 are gonna choose one of the other. And you see that, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.720 like twins born in the same family, with the same parents, 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.800 same school, same money, same gene, same everything can end 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.960 up in two different way, different locations because of the 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.400 choices that they made. So the only way to really 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.880 get people to end up in the same place is 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.440 to limit their choices. And that's a very scary world, right. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.679 Oh. Absolutely, Like that's the whole premise of this country. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.000 We have the freedom to choose. We should have the 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.360 freedom to make the decision that we want to make. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.640 So do you think trying to optimize for freedom or 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.200 equality of an outcome is a good thing? 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.880 No. If we were optimizing for equality of outcome, especially 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.160 in this country right now, with the current makeup of 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.440 the interests of our generations, most people my generation would 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.840 be a professional athlete and whatever support they wanted. Most 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.840 people younger generations would probably just be YouTubers or TikTokers 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.640 or whatever. We don't need more of those. We don't 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.840 need more professional athletes, as much as I love sports. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.960 We don't need more people making tiktoks. We need more engineers, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:07.080 more scientists. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.080 Yeah, And I think about it like you look at 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.160 like a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. Elon must probably 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.080 works one hundred hours a week and he's probably done 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.240 that for thirty years. Do you want to work one 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.480 hundred hours a week for thirty years? 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.720 Coming up on ten years so far? 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.240 One hundred hours a week close to it. Come on, man, 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:24.800 come on, you don't want to work that hard. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:27.480 Maybe not for you. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.120 My point is is that not everybody needs to work 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.480 that hard. Some people. I have friends who've just moved 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.120 down to Nicaragua and live on the beach and they 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.600 surf all day, and that's great for them. They should 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.360 be able to do that. There's no reason why they 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:40.720 have to work as hard as Jeff Bezos if they 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.559 don't want it. And so that's like the equality of 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.040 an outcome. But if we go back, like through some 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:51.080 historical examples we were talking to before about like I 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:58.199 think some of the real discrepancies come from economic or race, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.120 class or values, right like, and I think that's kind 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.480 of where like some of this conversation started, Ben Shapiro 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.920 was talking about frame up what bench Burro was saying 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:10.959 in your words. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.600 I mean, the podcast episode was essentially this conversation that 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:19.600 most conflict in society throughout history, it's been portrayed as 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.800 a class conflict. It's the pores versus the rich, it's 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.520 the haves versus the have nots, when in reality it's 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.920 become this values driven I want to instill my values 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.400 upon you these are the right values to have, those 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.400 are the wrong values to have. It's almost like the 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.480 way I was kind of we were talking about it 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.000 is the way we try to sort of package and 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.520 ship democracy all over the world, is exactly that in 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.600 a nutshell. It's we want you to have our values 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.800 because we only understand our values. We don't understand yours. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.080 But there's that. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.559 All right, Well, we're gonna stop with that. We'll come 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:54.960 back to that a minute. If you're tuning and you're 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.880 listening to the Mark mass Show, we're talking about the 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.880 great humanity equalizer and it's not taking away your choice. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.960 We're gonna break that down Q and I when we 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.800 come back. Don't miss as we're going take a quick break. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.000 We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.559 just tune in and you're listening to the Mark Maus Show, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.360 I'm sitting down with my show producer Q. We are 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.559 talking about the technology that we have today that could 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.400 be the great equalizer of humanity, but not in the 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.800 way that you're thinking. So you were kind of framing 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:27.359 this up before, and you talked about shipping ideology or values, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.880 and I think that's the big problem that I have 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.040 with that. I was at this conference like a year 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.360 ago and someone had brought their wife and she wasn't 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.000 really into what we were talking about, and she asked me, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.720 how do you know you're on the right side of things? 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.719 And I think the answer to that question, much I'll 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.120 tell you is also I thought what I thought Ben 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.280 Scheper was saying, and again, we just see and hear 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.360 things differently. But she asked me, how do you know 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.640 you're on the right side? And that was a good question. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.040 I hadn't really been asked that, and I thought about it, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.839 and I said, the reason why I know I'm on 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.319 the right side is because I'm gonna take care of 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.040 me and live my life the best I can, and 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.360 you do you, but the other side wants to tell 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.840 me how to live my life, and I'm not okay 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.320 with that. I don't want I don't want you pushing 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.040 your ideal vision onto me. And so what I heard 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.199 as bench Burrow was talking was he was giving examples 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.079 of Silicon Valley pushing values on the rest of the 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.560 world or the rest of the country, even though they 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.640 don't even live those values. So you know, in Silicon Valley, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.280 they're saying that you know, don't get married, be transvestite, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.199 don't have kids, blah blah blah, when they mostly live 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.240 traditional values. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.840 Well, let's unpack that for a second, because it's they're 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.480 working the social media companies and they're allowing that rhetoric 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.720 to be perpetuated. That's that's really what he was dissecting. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.560 But for the most part, yes, right, And so then 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.640 people across the country look at Silicon Valley and think that, wow, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.520 there are a bunch of liberal wackos that have these values, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.160 and that's actually not the case. So the point is 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.200 is that they're trying to push their ideal values onto 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.959 those people even though they're not living them themselves. And 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.160 so we agree on that, and that's that's kind of 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.000 what I was hearing. And so I think that's back 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:11.520 to the question she asked me, and it's like, well, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.520 I believe in let me do me, you do you. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.640 That's why I'm on the right. If you're trying to 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.559 tell me how I need to live my life, I 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.880 don't like that. Now. I I am okay having influence 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.959 over other people. I hope that I can live my 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.000 life the best that I can and that would encourage 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.559 other people. But I don't want power over people. I 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.640 don't want to tell people what to do. And as 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.800 a matter of fact, from being a content creator and 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.640 sort of if you listen to what influencers or content 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.199 creators or gurus would tell you, most of the fake 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:42.800 gurus are the ones telling you what you should do. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.880 Most of the real ones are the ones that are 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.040 just demonstrating it right. And so I think that's where 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.239 it comes down. And that's where you mentioned like offshoring democracy. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:53.760 It's like we're trying to tell you what you need 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.439 to do to live. Now we were talking, he was 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.880 also talking about how what Karl marxcot wrong and how 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.520 really things are more about values than they are about economics. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:08.599 And I know you had a little bit of a 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.719 disagreement there. To frame it up, Karl Marx wrot the 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.800 Communist Manifesto. That book led to the largest revolution in 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.920 European history, and it still has become the number one 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.520 one of the best sellers in economics in political science, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.160 which is the problem. But what he did is he 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.880 said that there's a struggle between two arbitrary classes, the 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.560 rich and the poor. And I say it's arbitrary because 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.960 what's the definition of rich and poor. The rich are oppressors, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.040 the poor are oppressed. So if I go from rich 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.760 to poor, Nolbmenn oppressor. Like so it's just like this 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:42.959 arbitrary line. And really what he argues is that it 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.320 wasn't about the economic classes. It was about the ideology 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.679 that they shared. And he gave examples. So for example, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.679 you know, early in the United States, you would have 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.640 JP Morgan going to church with the same poor people, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.679 and so they really cared about local community. And when 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.480 you have a local community, not only have a duty 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.000 and a responsibility of that community, hang out, your kids 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.400 go to same school as you go to same churches, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.360 et cetera. And so really it wasn't about the economics 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.280 of it. It was more about the values of it. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.320 And I know you didn't necessarily agree with that, Yeah, I. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.880 Mean there's a there's just an aspect of this where 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.160 you start to see I think a like it to 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.440 your point, like, there's no clear line being defined here. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.800 So you have one side saying, hey, this is an 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.960 argument or case to be used as to why this 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.040 is good. And then because there's no clear line being drawn, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.720 there's no definition of well, this is what defines someone 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.600 as the I. Honestly, I'm sounded like a freaking communist 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:38.680 right now defending this. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.600 But don't don't defend it. You don't, don't you don't 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.160 have to defend it. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:46.280 I want to have like a full sort of expansive 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.880 discussion on this though, because the point and where I 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.840 was disagreeing was like the revolution it did cause was 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.800 a revolution of class because ultimately the people who align 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.000 with and agree with the communists ideology where those who 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.040 didn't have anything to begin with, and they saw that 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.240 as their opportunity to grasp and sort of hold on 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.880 to and gain something. So from that angle it did 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.160 it was a class issue, but it was a class 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.720 issue that was guised as these are different. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.360 But there's there's two ways in my book Uncommunist manifest 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.520 that we broke this down that really there's two ways 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.240 to gain wealth, work for it and build it. You 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.720 can you can create it, or you can steal it. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.560 You can take others, or you can build it yourself. Right, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.360 I can grow my own crops that I can take yours. Okay, Okay, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.800 So that's an ideology which one I choose. If I 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.560 choose to grow my crops or steal your crops. Would 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.240 that be an ideology, like if you picked one or 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.800 the other. Yeah, okay, So the Bolsheviks decided to not 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.920 go create wealth but to go take wealth. Was that 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:52.760 an ideology? 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:54.720 Sure? 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.880 So he says, it's not ideological, it's economic. But it 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:58.680 was ideological. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.280 But it was motivated through economic needs. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.040 Sure. So what they do, and this is what Marxism did, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.400 It's what neo Marxism or what we call cultural Marxism 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.240 does today, is they try to find any underrepresented group 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.360 of people and they try to agitate them. You're a 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.520 victim because you're black, or because you're a woman, or 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.160 because you're gay, or because you're trans, or because you're whatever, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.880 and then they try to agitate them. So and Karl 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.720 Marx's day, the best way was through the poor people, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.800 and they can get the poor people agitated and get 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.320 them to rise up. Today, we try to get anybody, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.680 any underrepresented group or minority and try to antagonize them 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.720 to get them to rise up. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.520 I mean, that's the whole like polarization of the world 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.040 we live in. It's it's again, it's kind of what 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:41.080 you were talking about in your previous segment. You turn 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.440 on CNN, it's you only hear about how awful Trump is. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.640 You turn on Fox News, you only hear about how 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.440 awful Biden is. There's no intellectual honesty in either discussion. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.640 It's just they're the bad guy. No, they're the bad guy. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.000 It's like they're creating this narrative of infighting. And then 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.840 you go to DC and you see the video of 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.800 Kamala Harris fist bumping Lindsey Graham, and then you start 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.840 to realize, like, oh, they want us to fight each other, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.440 but they're not going to fight each other. Again, creates 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:11.600 that us versus them dynamic. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.240 But I think if you dig in deeper and you 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.240 understand that the reason why they do that is because 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:20.080 they need they need victims, because victims need saviors. Right, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.960 so you can't get ahead because you're fill on the blank. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.560 And so if you only allow me, then I can 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.240 help you do that. Right now, I am choosing to 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.520 have a family, and I'm choosing to work for my wealth, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.600 and I'm choosing to live my best life. But for you, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.000 you just go ahead and be that victim and let 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:37.640 me help you do that. And so I think that's 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.120 that that kind of push off there, but I would 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.600 say that they use this effort, they manipulate these underrepresented 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:49.080 groups to get their way. And yes they happen to 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:54.119 be poor or black or trans because they're the underrepresented 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.080 group that they can pit against them, but it's not 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.040 them overall. Like for example, we've had you know, trans 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.160 people and black people that have got along just fine. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:05.720 And there's a lot of people actually standing up now 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.560 and trying to announce this. If you're just tuning in 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.399 your listening to the Mark Moss Show, we're kind of 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.720 going off the rails a little bit for a minute, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.400 but don't worry. We're going to bring it back here 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.040 for you. We're talking about ways we can really kind 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.879 of address equality and bring the world back to a 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.840 much more fair world, but not through the way they 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.280 want to. The commists want to do it not through 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:28.120 ESG and not through coercion, but through cooperation and through 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.240 a new technology that gives us the opportunity to build 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:31.880 wealth in a sound money system. And so we think 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.840 it's going to change the world, but we're just setting 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.120 it up. Stick with us. It's going to be fun. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.000 I got to take a very quick break though, just 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.560 for a minute, but you don't want to miss it, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:44.200 We'll be right back. Hi. Welcome back. If you're just 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.080 tuned in your listening to the Mark Mass Show, we're 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.240 always talking about the decentralized revolution, and we're talking about 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.960 right now. I'm sitting down with Q, he's my producer. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.000 We're talking about sort of this inequality that we have 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.920 in the world, looking back through a historical lens, and 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.560 we're going to take it to the future of where 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.480 we think this is going. Before the break, we had 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.080 kind of left it abruptly, so you wouldn't go away, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.160 But Q, what was the question that you wanted to ask? 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:07.920 So like you and I the other day, we're having 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.080