1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: All right, Hello, welcome to another episode of the markro 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: mov Show, where we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: trying to explain to you the play by play of 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: what the heck is going on in the world. And 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to bring you some education so 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: you can start to understand subjects a little bit differently, 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: changing the way you think about money. As I always say, 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: I like to bring to you some of the latest 9 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: breaking news headlines so you can see what is going 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: on with the play by play of the signposts, and 11 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of course some interesting guests so you can listen to 12 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: some different perspectives than just mine. And that's what we 13 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: have for you today. I am joined in the studio 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: with q. He is one of my friends, my research 15 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: assistant and the producer, and we want to have some 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: conversations today that I think will help give a different 17 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: perspective because, believe it or not, him and I don't 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: agree on everything, and believe it or not, that's a 19 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: good thing. You see. One of the things as humans 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: and as an investors, is that our own human emotions 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: make us horrible investors. And part of the reason why 22 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: is because we suffer from all types of biases, and 23 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: you always have to be aware of what your biases are. 24 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: And so we suffer from things like normalcy bias or 25 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: recentcy bias. So if prices are going up, they're always 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: going up. If prices going down, they're always going down. 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Things like that. But one of the things that we 28 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: suffer from is something called confirmation bias. And what that 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: means is like you see the world for whatever it 30 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: is because of the lens that you have. Your experience 31 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: is what shapes that. And what most people do is 32 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: they look for information to confirm the bias they have. 33 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: But a much better way is to always try to 34 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: disprove your bias, and so I do that. I always 35 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: try to disprove my bias, and so I like to 36 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: talk to people I don't agree with. I call it 37 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: like verbal sparring. I grew up doing martial arts karate 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: as a kid, lots of jiu jitsu, mutai, and I 39 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: love just putting on some sparring gear and just going 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: at it with some friends. Not hard, but just fun 41 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: and it's fun and you sharpen yourself. And so this 42 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: is like a verbal sparring so que. Anyway, thanks for 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: joining me today. It's always a pleasure talking to you 44 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: because we don't agree on everything, and it's fun just 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: to dissect that. And it's proof that people can have 46 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: different viewpoints and still be friends and get along. 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 48 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: I'll start off by saying, I'm sure you've seen the headlines, like, 49 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, forty six fifty four whatever the number is, 50 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: people that have worked for the Hillary Clinton, for the 51 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation have ended up dead. And I'm sure you've 52 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: seen that, right and Killery as she's been called, right, 53 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: And while I think that is where they smoke, there's fire, 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: and that seems well, that seems like there's a big problem. 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: And I certainly believe she's one of the most corrupt politicians, 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: probably under Biden at this point, but one of the 57 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: most career corrupt politicians. I saw recently Patrick Bett David 58 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: had Michael Wiener or Scott Wiener on his show and 59 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: he was the one that was married to Huma Abodeen 60 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: and sent the pictures of the you know, the penis 61 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, and Patrick Way David went hard on him, 62 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: and I don't agree with him. He's a way different 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: then I am. Politically. His wife whom Aberdeen is caught 64 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: up in all types of bad things with Hillary. But 65 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: I listened to his perspective and I have to say 66 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: that he had a good point. I kind of lean 67 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: with Patrick bed david and there's where they smoke. There's 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: fire real quick. 69 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: Was what was the point? 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Just so that the point was? Patrick mc david says, Look, 71 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: I got all these questions that we want to ask you, 72 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: but I can't really substantiate any of these. So I 73 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: want to know, why is there whatever fifty sixty people 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: that have died on the Hillary Clinton campaign. And Scott 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Waders like, come on, man, really, and like patrickay david 76 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: was not letting this go, like he hammered, hammered, hammered, right, 77 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: But I found myself going, man, Weider's got some good points. 78 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: And basically his defense was, look, Hillary Clinton's whatever, seventy 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: years old. I don't know what exactly, seventy five years old, 80 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: through the Clinton Foundation and through decades and decad decades 81 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: of public service and billions and blah blah blah. She's 82 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: had one hundreds, she's had thou thousands of people work 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: for her, thousands of people. She's seventy years old. People die. 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, that's actually a pretty good answer. And 85 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: so my point is is like always always check your 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: bias and be willing to take in new information that 87 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: challenges That's kind of my setup story. That's kind of 88 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. No, I like that. 89 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: It's Awkham's razor. The simplest solution is often the right answer. 90 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: Like it just logic would validate that claim. Like, I'm 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: thirty years old, I don't know a lot. I've worked 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: with a lot of people. Most of the people I've 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: worked with, they're still alive. Yeah, talk to me in 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: forty years, probably be singing a different tune. 95 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: Right exactly. So when you're seventy a lot of people 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: you've worked for have died, you know. But when you 97 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: understand how corrupt they are and how much they lie 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: and censor, then it leads, you know, leads to wild speculation. 99 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem with you know, whatever, 100 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote conspiracy. The lack of transparency leads to that. 101 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: And so when you're always being lied to, then you 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: just think everything's a lie. And so it's tough to 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: talk about We're gonna talk about bitcoin and the Great 104 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: humanity Equalizer because there's a lot of inequality in the 105 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: world today, and I think both of us agree that 106 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: we think we are moving into world that could be 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: much more equal. And so I want to talk about 108 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: some things that we go through. You know, first of all, 109 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: what do you think about that, like humans being what 110 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: do you think about human equality? 111 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I have a We've talked so 112 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: much about these things. I know I have a different 113 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: perspective than you on this, like I and I recognize 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: where my perspective comes. I grew up in America. I'm 115 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: an American citizen. My parents are both immigrants into this country, 116 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 2: and I was born here an American citizen, not because 117 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: I took a test, not because I passed some qualification, 118 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: just I want a lottery. Everyone else in my family 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: is back in Iran. They don't have the same access 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: to a lot of the things that I am granted. 121 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: So I know, off the bat, we're actually we're not 122 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: created equal, but the advantages that we are granted in life, 123 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: it's up to us how we choose to use that. 124 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: So well, hang on, let's back that up. So we 125 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: are created equal, but whatever regime you may be under 126 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: might choose to take away some of those equality options, right, 127 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: And to your point, I mean, you could be a 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: thirteen or fifteen year old kid that was born in 129 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: Iran and you don't get to join the financial system. 130 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: Nope, simply because of decisions that are well out of 131 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: your control. 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 133 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: Or you could be in Africa and you just don't 134 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: have access to electricity. 135 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Right so, or you don't have access to the ideas 136 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. Right. But I think and so I think 137 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: that's the big problem. And I think equality the way 138 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: I think about it is like equality of what, equality 139 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: of what? So, equality of an outcome or equality of 140 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: a chance. So there's no way to guarantee equality of 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: an out well, the only way to guarantee equality of 142 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: an outcome is to make sure that you only have 143 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: one choice, right, so, Q take this or leave it. Well, 144 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: I can guarantee the outcome. We're gonna take it. Of course, 145 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: if I give you iPhone or an Android, some people 146 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: are gonna choose one of the other. And you see that, 147 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: like twins born in the same family, with the same parents, 148 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: same school, same money, same gene, same everything can end 149 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: up in two different way, different locations because of the 150 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: choices that they made. So the only way to really 151 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: get people to end up in the same place is 152 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: to limit their choices. And that's a very scary world, right. 153 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, Like that's the whole premise of this country. 154 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: We have the freedom to choose. We should have the 155 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: freedom to make the decision that we want to make. 156 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: So do you think trying to optimize for freedom or 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: equality of an outcome is a good thing? 158 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: No. If we were optimizing for equality of outcome, especially 159 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: in this country right now, with the current makeup of 160 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: the interests of our generations, most people my generation would 161 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: be a professional athlete and whatever support they wanted. Most 162 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: people younger generations would probably just be YouTubers or TikTokers 163 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: or whatever. We don't need more of those. We don't 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: need more professional athletes, as much as I love sports. 165 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: We don't need more people making tiktoks. We need more engineers, 166 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: more scientists. 167 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think about it like you look at 168 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: like a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. Elon must probably 169 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: works one hundred hours a week and he's probably done 170 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: that for thirty years. Do you want to work one 171 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: hundred hours a week for thirty years? 172 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Coming up on ten years so far? 173 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: One hundred hours a week close to it. Come on, man, 174 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: come on, you don't want to work that hard. 175 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: Maybe not for you. 176 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: My point is is that not everybody needs to work 177 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: that hard. Some people. I have friends who've just moved 178 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: down to Nicaragua and live on the beach and they 179 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: surf all day, and that's great for them. They should 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: be able to do that. There's no reason why they 181 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: have to work as hard as Jeff Bezos if they 182 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: don't want it. And so that's like the equality of 183 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: an outcome. But if we go back, like through some 184 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: historical examples we were talking to before about like I 185 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: think some of the real discrepancies come from economic or race, 186 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: class or values, right like, and I think that's kind 187 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: of where like some of this conversation started, Ben Shapiro 188 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: was talking about frame up what bench Burro was saying 189 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: in your words. 190 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the podcast episode was essentially this conversation that 191 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: most conflict in society throughout history, it's been portrayed as 192 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: a class conflict. It's the pores versus the rich, it's 193 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: the haves versus the have nots, when in reality it's 194 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: become this values driven I want to instill my values 195 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: upon you these are the right values to have, those 196 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: are the wrong values to have. It's almost like the 197 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: way I was kind of we were talking about it 198 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: is the way we try to sort of package and 199 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: ship democracy all over the world, is exactly that in 200 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: a nutshell. It's we want you to have our values 201 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: because we only understand our values. We don't understand yours. 202 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: But there's that. 203 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're gonna stop with that. We'll come 204 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: back to that a minute. If you're tuning and you're 205 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark mass Show, we're talking about the 206 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: great humanity equalizer and it's not taking away your choice. 207 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna break that down Q and I when we 208 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: come back. Don't miss as we're going take a quick break. 209 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. If you're 210 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: just tune in and you're listening to the Mark Maus Show, 211 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with my show producer Q. We are 212 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: talking about the technology that we have today that could 213 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: be the great equalizer of humanity, but not in the 214 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: way that you're thinking. So you were kind of framing 215 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,359 Speaker 1: this up before, and you talked about shipping ideology or values, 216 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's the big problem that I have 217 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: with that. I was at this conference like a year 218 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: ago and someone had brought their wife and she wasn't 219 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: really into what we were talking about, and she asked me, 220 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: how do you know you're on the right side of things? 221 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: And I think the answer to that question, much I'll 222 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: tell you is also I thought what I thought Ben 223 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: Scheper was saying, and again, we just see and hear 224 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: things differently. But she asked me, how do you know 225 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: you're on the right side? And that was a good question. 226 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: I hadn't really been asked that, and I thought about it, 227 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: and I said, the reason why I know I'm on 228 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: the right side is because I'm gonna take care of 229 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: me and live my life the best I can, and 230 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: you do you, but the other side wants to tell 231 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: me how to live my life, and I'm not okay 232 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: with that. I don't want I don't want you pushing 233 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: your ideal vision onto me. And so what I heard 234 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: as bench Burrow was talking was he was giving examples 235 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: of Silicon Valley pushing values on the rest of the 236 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: world or the rest of the country, even though they 237 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: don't even live those values. So you know, in Silicon Valley, 238 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: they're saying that you know, don't get married, be transvestite, 239 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: don't have kids, blah blah blah, when they mostly live 240 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: traditional values. 241 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: Well, let's unpack that for a second, because it's they're 242 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: working the social media companies and they're allowing that rhetoric 243 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: to be perpetuated. That's that's really what he was dissecting. 244 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: But for the most part, yes, right, And so then 245 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: people across the country look at Silicon Valley and think that, wow, 246 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of liberal wackos that have these values, 247 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: and that's actually not the case. So the point is 248 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: is that they're trying to push their ideal values onto 249 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: those people even though they're not living them themselves. And 250 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: so we agree on that, and that's that's kind of 251 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: what I was hearing. And so I think that's back 252 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: to the question she asked me, and it's like, well, 253 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: I believe in let me do me, you do you. 254 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: That's why I'm on the right. If you're trying to 255 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: tell me how I need to live my life, I 256 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: don't like that. Now. I I am okay having influence 257 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: over other people. I hope that I can live my 258 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: life the best that I can and that would encourage 259 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: other people. But I don't want power over people. I 260 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: don't want to tell people what to do. And as 261 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, from being a content creator and 262 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: sort of if you listen to what influencers or content 263 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: creators or gurus would tell you, most of the fake 264 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: gurus are the ones telling you what you should do. 265 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: Most of the real ones are the ones that are 266 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: just demonstrating it right. And so I think that's where 267 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,239 Speaker 1: it comes down. And that's where you mentioned like offshoring democracy. 268 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: It's like we're trying to tell you what you need 269 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: to do to live. Now we were talking, he was 270 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: also talking about how what Karl marxcot wrong and how 271 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: really things are more about values than they are about economics. 272 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: And I know you had a little bit of a 273 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: disagreement there. To frame it up, Karl Marx wrot the 274 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: Communist Manifesto. That book led to the largest revolution in 275 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: European history, and it still has become the number one 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: one of the best sellers in economics in political science, 277 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: which is the problem. But what he did is he 278 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: said that there's a struggle between two arbitrary classes, the 279 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: rich and the poor. And I say it's arbitrary because 280 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: what's the definition of rich and poor. The rich are oppressors, 281 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the poor are oppressed. So if I go from rich 282 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: to poor, Nolbmenn oppressor. Like so it's just like this 283 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: arbitrary line. And really what he argues is that it 284 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: wasn't about the economic classes. It was about the ideology 285 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: that they shared. And he gave examples. So for example, 286 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: you know, early in the United States, you would have 287 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: JP Morgan going to church with the same poor people, 288 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: and so they really cared about local community. And when 289 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: you have a local community, not only have a duty 290 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: and a responsibility of that community, hang out, your kids 291 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: go to same school as you go to same churches, 292 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. And so really it wasn't about the economics 293 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: of it. It was more about the values of it. 294 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: And I know you didn't necessarily agree with that, Yeah, I. 295 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: Mean there's a there's just an aspect of this where 296 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: you start to see I think a like it to 297 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: your point, like, there's no clear line being defined here. 298 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: So you have one side saying, hey, this is an 299 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: argument or case to be used as to why this 300 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: is good. And then because there's no clear line being drawn, 301 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: there's no definition of well, this is what defines someone 302 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: as the I. Honestly, I'm sounded like a freaking communist 303 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: right now defending this. 304 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: But don't don't defend it. You don't, don't you don't 305 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: have to defend it. 306 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: I want to have like a full sort of expansive 307 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: discussion on this though, because the point and where I 308 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: was disagreeing was like the revolution it did cause was 309 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: a revolution of class because ultimately the people who align 310 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: with and agree with the communists ideology where those who 311 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: didn't have anything to begin with, and they saw that 312 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: as their opportunity to grasp and sort of hold on 313 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: to and gain something. So from that angle it did 314 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: it was a class issue, but it was a class 315 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: issue that was guised as these are different. 316 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: But there's there's two ways in my book Uncommunist manifest 317 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: that we broke this down that really there's two ways 318 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: to gain wealth, work for it and build it. You 319 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: can you can create it, or you can steal it. 320 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: You can take others, or you can build it yourself. Right, 321 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I can grow my own crops that I can take yours. Okay, Okay, 322 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: So that's an ideology which one I choose. If I 323 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: choose to grow my crops or steal your crops. Would 324 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: that be an ideology, like if you picked one or 325 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, okay, So the Bolsheviks decided to not 326 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: go create wealth but to go take wealth. Was that 327 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: an ideology? 328 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: Sure? 329 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: So he says, it's not ideological, it's economic. But it 330 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: was ideological. 331 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: But it was motivated through economic needs. 332 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Sure. So what they do, and this is what Marxism did, 333 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: It's what neo Marxism or what we call cultural Marxism 334 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: does today, is they try to find any underrepresented group 335 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: of people and they try to agitate them. You're a 336 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: victim because you're black, or because you're a woman, or 337 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: because you're gay, or because you're trans, or because you're whatever, 338 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: and then they try to agitate them. So and Karl 339 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Marx's day, the best way was through the poor people, 340 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: and they can get the poor people agitated and get 341 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: them to rise up. Today, we try to get anybody, 342 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: any underrepresented group or minority and try to antagonize them 343 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: to get them to rise up. 344 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole like polarization of the world 345 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: we live in. It's it's again, it's kind of what 346 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: you were talking about in your previous segment. You turn 347 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: on CNN, it's you only hear about how awful Trump is. 348 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: You turn on Fox News, you only hear about how 349 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: awful Biden is. There's no intellectual honesty in either discussion. 350 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: It's just they're the bad guy. No, they're the bad guy. 351 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: It's like they're creating this narrative of infighting. And then 352 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: you go to DC and you see the video of 353 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris fist bumping Lindsey Graham, and then you start 354 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: to realize, like, oh, they want us to fight each other, 355 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: but they're not going to fight each other. Again, creates 356 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: that us versus them dynamic. 357 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: But I think if you dig in deeper and you 358 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: understand that the reason why they do that is because 359 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: they need they need victims, because victims need saviors. Right, 360 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: so you can't get ahead because you're fill on the blank. 361 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: And so if you only allow me, then I can 362 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: help you do that. Right now, I am choosing to 363 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: have a family, and I'm choosing to work for my wealth, 364 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: and I'm choosing to live my best life. But for you, 365 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: you just go ahead and be that victim and let 366 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: me help you do that. And so I think that's 367 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: that that kind of push off there, but I would 368 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: say that they use this effort, they manipulate these underrepresented 369 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: groups to get their way. And yes they happen to 370 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: be poor or black or trans because they're the underrepresented 371 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: group that they can pit against them, but it's not 372 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: them overall. Like for example, we've had you know, trans 373 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: people and black people that have got along just fine. 374 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people actually standing up now 375 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: and trying to announce this. If you're just tuning in 376 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: your listening to the Mark Moss Show, we're kind of 377 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: going off the rails a little bit for a minute, 378 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: but don't worry. We're going to bring it back here 379 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: for you. We're talking about ways we can really kind 380 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: of address equality and bring the world back to a 381 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: much more fair world, but not through the way they 382 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: want to. The commists want to do it not through 383 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: ESG and not through coercion, but through cooperation and through 384 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: a new technology that gives us the opportunity to build 385 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: wealth in a sound money system. And so we think 386 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: it's going to change the world, but we're just setting 387 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: it up. Stick with us. It's going to be fun. 388 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: I got to take a very quick break though, just 389 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: for a minute, but you don't want to miss it, 390 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Hi. Welcome back. If you're just 391 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: tuned in your listening to the Mark Mass Show, we're 392 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: always talking about the decentralized revolution, and we're talking about 393 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: right now. I'm sitting down with Q, he's my producer. 394 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about sort of this inequality that we have 395 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: in the world, looking back through a historical lens, and 396 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: we're going to take it to the future of where 397 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: we think this is going. Before the break, we had 398 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of left it abruptly, so you wouldn't go away, 399 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: But Q, what was the question that you wanted to ask? 400 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 2: So like you and I the other day, we're having 401 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: this conversation about the gentleman you sat next to on 402 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: the plane, and we were talking to just about the 403 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: idea of giving to those less fortunate, and obviously that 404 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: was a specific example. You've established that, Hey, I want 405 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: to protect myself, my property, my family. Those are my 406 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: values that I hold dear and true. If someone else's 407 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: values are not to necessarily say, hey, you need to 408 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: give some of your property to help others, but rather 409 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: I want to personally be going and helping others, how 410 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: do we go about that? Because I feel like we're 411 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: reaching a point where on one side of the argument 412 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: it's everyone has to help everyone. It's like, no, that's 413 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: that's an over correction. But this idea that everyone has 414 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: to fend for themselves is also an unrealistic ask. So 415 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: where where's the balancing act here? 416 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: The problem? Q, You're probably not kind of like this answer. 417 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: The problem that the the world has today is they 418 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: want to remove all morality and then try to juggle 419 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: these things. And the answer is you can't criticize Ben 420 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: Shapiro because he kept talking about Judeo Christian values. But 421 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the Judeo Christian values are the answer to that question 422 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: that you asked. So whether you believe in the Bible 423 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: or God or Jesus or any of that doesn't matter. 424 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: In the Bible, Jesus said the greatest commandment is love 425 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: God and love your neighbor more than you love yourself. 426 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Over and over and over. It says, if your neighbor 427 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: asks for help, do not delay, give him help immediately. 428 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: Don't even just give him what he asks. Also take 429 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: the jacket off your back and give that to him 430 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: as well. Okay, so when you have that, as you're 431 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: guiding principle. These types of questions you're asking me are there. 432 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: But when you completely get rid of that, there is 433 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: no God, there is no higher purpose. I'm a god. 434 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: I do whatever I want. Life is for my own enjoyment. 435 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: If you're Gary Vee saying the greatest thing to optimize 436 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: for is for my own personal happiness, well then how 437 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: do you then? How do you fit that in? And 438 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: the question is you don't right. 439 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: I think my issue, going back to the ben Shaper 440 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: of it all, is he spent the entirety of the 441 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: episode essentially saying these people who are trying to instill 442 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: their values on us, like I don't want their values, 443 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: but let's ship my values to everyone else. It's like, 444 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 2: you just spent this whole time telling us why try 445 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: to force values. 446 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't listen to the whole thing, so 447 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: I didn't hear that conclusion and I certainly didn't get that, 448 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: but I didn't listen to the end. So we'll table 449 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: that for what it is. But I just think that 450 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: you know, there's a quote and I can't remember it exactly, 451 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: but I'm sure you've heard it where it's like in 452 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: my family, I'm a communist right in my community, I'm 453 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: a socialist. But then like with my government, I'm a 454 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: libertarian or whatever it is, right. And so what that 455 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: means is that in my family with my daughters and 456 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: my wife, we share everything, like I give everything to them, right, 457 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: But that's my family. Right in my local community, I'm 458 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: like a socialist, Like we kind of share and we 459 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of help each other. But like the further you 460 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: go out, the less you do that. And so one 461 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: thing that Benchuba talks about is like the neat the 462 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: community was for. It's a two way street, so it 463 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: comes with responsibility. And then I have a duty back 464 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: to that community. I should try to keep crime down. 465 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: I should try to keep the trash off the street. 466 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: I should try to keep my lawn mode right. But 467 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: more importantly than that, like you know, traditionally throughout thousands 468 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: of verse history, people would go to church and they 469 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: would support each other. One person has a problem, they 470 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: come by. The Mormon church does a very good job 471 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: of this. The Mormon church. They support each other. They 472 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: all frequent each other's businesses. You know, one person loses 473 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: their job, they all pitch in to help them. And 474 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: so that's done through that sense of community. But you 475 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: can't get that benefit from the community if you don't 476 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: also have the responsibility im pour into that community as well. 477 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: The problem is is like the modern government structures that 478 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: we have today has dissolved all of that right and 479 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: that's by design because they want us dependent on the 480 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: government for that. But the problem is when you go 481 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: to the government, you break down that community. And you 482 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: mentioned Iran, and I've never been there, so I don't 483 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: really understand how it works. But I spent a lot 484 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: of time in like Central America, Mexico, South America, et cetera, 485 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: and I know that. You know, family is everything to them, 486 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: And you just look at immigrants that even come to 487 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: the US. They live together, they stay in their tribes, 488 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: they all help each other and support each other, and 489 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: so it's really through community through family that a lot 490 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: of that's done. The flip side of that is that 491 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: if it's done too much, it also makes people too dependent. 492 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: And so you you mentioned if we don't give, then 493 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: what happens to these underrepresented people, do they fall by 494 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: the wayside? Well, if there weren't safety nets for those people, 495 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: we'd have much less underserved people. Now, you know, I 496 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: support an orphanage in Mexico. Last month we raised four 497 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for them. It's an orphanage in Mexico. 498 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: Mexico doesn't have a safety net, and they specifically work 499 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: with kids with disabilities. So those kids they're never gonna 500 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: they're never gonna get there. I mean, they don't they 501 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: have disabilities, right, they're in Mexico, and so like we 502 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: need to help them. But I think for the most part, 503 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: most people could work right and they so I think 504 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: the handouts work kind of work against them, would be 505 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: my guess. 506 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I mean, like, as you were describing 507 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: this idea of community and working together like that is 508 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: in a nutshell. Regardless of where you find yourself in 509 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: the world, whatever religion or belief system you have, at 510 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: its core, we all are looking for a sense of community, 511 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: and way way back in human history, we are always 512 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: reliant on and building upon that community, whether it's our 513 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: immediate family or the extended families. 514 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: The humans are tribal, exactly, and you look at like 515 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: look at the projects in Philadelphia or Chicago or Detroit 516 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, right, and it's unfortunate what's happening there. But 517 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: the government basically pays young girls to have as many 518 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: baby as they can because then they pay for their 519 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: apartment to pay for the childcare. And so it's incentives 520 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: gone wrong, right, probably meant to be really good, like 521 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: let's help these unwed mothers, but now they just have 522 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: fifteen babies so they can get paid a bunch of money. 523 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: And then all these kids grow up with welfare. With 524 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: that welfare mentality, they don't have a father at home, 525 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: so it's a bad deal. But even within that, then 526 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: they start their gangs. So then they even create that 527 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: community that all starts to help each other out, okay, 528 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: And so it's just like a natural part of us, right, 529 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, I think it comes 530 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: down of the worldview, Like I believe that people are 531 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: mostly good, and I believe that people take care of 532 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: each other. But that's because I do. And to the 533 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: point that you mentioned before, and if everybody wasn't listening, 534 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: but on an airplane, I was sitting next to somebody 535 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: who was very well off, very very very high level 536 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: business person, and he asked me the same kind of question, 537 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: which is like, well, if the government doesn't take care 538 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: of people, who will and I'd asked them, Hey, I 539 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: don't want to get personal with you, but I just 540 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm curious. How much of your money do you donate? 541 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't it at all. And I said, so, 542 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: I think you're putting your worldview on there. I donate 543 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: a lot of my money and so I just don't 544 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: look at the world that way. And so there was 545 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: a Denish Desuza. He's like a felt conservative filmmaker. I 546 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: love on YouTube. They have these channels where I think 547 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: it's like Americans for Liberty or something, and they'll be 548 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: like Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, DENISTISHUSA, these guys, and they'll 549 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: go to college campuses and then like the professors or 550 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: the students get up and ask them these questions. And 551 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: Denisiusuza had Finn this question, and the guy said, but 552 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: what about reparations. Shouldn't we be paying these people back 553 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: because they were oppressed and blah blah blah and uh 554 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: and Denistusuza basically said, uh, yeah, you're at an Ivy 555 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: League school. You should just not go here. You should 556 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: give all your money and stuff to them. So you 557 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: go first, and once you've done that, maybe we'll jump in. 558 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: And the kid was like, uh, never mind, right, And 559 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: so that's like you should definitely give your money because 560 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: you owe those people. But I'll just keep my money, 561 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: right and where it's like for me, like I said, 562 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: my friends and I and not trying to shoot my 563 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: own horm here. But I mean we went we were 564 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: raising money for this orphange for a number of years 565 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: and like, uh, we just do that and like hopefully 566 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: we encourage other people to maybe go do something similar, right, 567 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: And so I think that's like how the world is 568 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: it should be totally. 569 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: I mean it points back to kind of what you 570 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: had mentioned earlier in the episode, this idea that like 571 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: we offshore the morality, like we think someone else is 572 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: going to do it if we don't do it. 573 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: No, we want to. We want to mandate that you 574 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: do it even though I don't. 575 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 2: Right, Like the example with all the social media CEOs 576 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: who will tell everyone, oh, believe all these things, but 577 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: then they'll go home and have their sort of conservative 578 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: values that they live by, right that they won't preach. 579 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have all these man. I mean, you know 580 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: what's happening with the kids these days, both with the 581 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: transitioning and with schools and whatnot. And most of these 582 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: people that are pushing this don't have kids, right, you 583 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: don't even have kids. Who the hell are you to 584 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: tell me what I should do with my kid? You 585 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: don't even have your own, you know. Oh, but these 586 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: are the states kids and these it's our response. And no, 587 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: it's not your responsibility. You don't even have kids. So 588 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: I think that's the problem. If you're just to listen 589 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: to the Mark mass Show a little bit different than 590 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: we normally do. I'm sitting down with Q, my show producer, 591 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: and we're going to bring it together to talk about 592 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: a much more fair and equal world, but not through coersion, 593 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: through incentives and through cooperation. So we're gonna be back 594 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: with more in a second. I gotta take a very 595 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: quick break. Don't go away, we'll be right back, all right, 596 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to 597 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: the Mark Maas Show a little bit, a little bit 598 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: different content today, a little bit more on the political 599 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: philosophical side of things, so you can get different perspectivesm 600 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: sitting down with Q, my show producer. We're talking about, 601 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, the difference of class and economic struggles and 602 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: I want to kind of bring all this back because 603 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: really the cause of a lot of this, in my opinion, 604 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: well goes back to the money. And to frame it up, 605 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Bolshevik Revolution. So Vladimir Lenin from the 606 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: Volshevik Revolution said that the best way to destroy capitalism 607 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: is by debouching the currency. Through in fla we can 608 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: arbitrarily steal, and through a process of inflation, we can 609 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: break all relation so that the best way to get 610 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: rich is through gambling and theft. And so the leader 611 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: of the Bullshek Revolution, that's what he said. And so 612 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: here we are. People say, oh, but this is capitalism 613 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: gone away. Well, Karl Marx gave us ten points of 614 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: communism in the United States. As seven of the ten, 615 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: so I would say, we're not in a capitalist society. 616 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: We're actually seventy percent communism. Now we could we could 617 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: debate each one of those. I mean, is it one 618 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: or ten percent? Whatever? 619 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: Time for that? 620 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: You don't have enough time for that. But the but, 621 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: the but the key piece here is that when the 622 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: when the money has been destroyed so much that the 623 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: best way seeming to get ahead is by either stealing 624 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: or by gambling. So I'm gonna yolo into a crypto position. 625 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna rug pull on a on a 626 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: DeFi or NFTT on. 627 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: Whatever MLB games are going on. There's no coincidence. Online 628 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: gambling is picking up right now in this moment in 629 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: our history. 630 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: Right and then it makes me really greedy, So gambling 631 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: and theft. So then theft like most people think like 632 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: breaking in arey, it doesn't have to be that way. 633 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: I could cheat you on selling you a used card 634 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: and disclose problems. I could build wrong hours, I could 635 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: embezzle from my employment. There's a million ways we can 636 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: cheat as well or steal, not just outright breaking and entering. 637 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: And so when we're in a society where everybody's kind 638 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: of looking out for themselves, and really, in a business, 639 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: the leader of the company sets the culture of the company. 640 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: And if you look at the founding fathers, they all 641 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: came here literally sacrificing their life for future generations, planting 642 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: a tree they'll never sit under the shade of. And 643 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, most of 644 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: them ended up broken dead. It wasn't good for them. 645 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: But today we have leaders that only look out for themselves. 646 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's any way to debate 647 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: that evidence that's come out against Biden and the tens 648 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: and tens of millions of dollars that he's embezzled, And 649 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: so what does that mean for the rest of the country. 650 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've see Nancy Pelosi is the best stockpicker 651 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: in the world. Like, I mean, we can go on 652 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: and on and on right, And I'm sure there's people 653 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: on both sides that they're all trying to rich themselves. 654 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: So that's why they don't want to pass inside our 655 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: trading rules and so but they're all trying to enrich themselves, 656 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: and so that sets this culture here. But back to 657 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: the social issues. It affects the social issues because everybody's 658 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: looking out for themselves. 659 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a broken system, and if you kind 660 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: of scale it back and go back enough, you start 661 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: to realize, like, oh, well, when the moment we broke 662 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: the money is the moment things really started to break apart. 663 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: Like one of my favorite websites for anyone listening you've 664 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: never checked this out, you should, It's called wtf Happened? 665 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy one. Type out all of those words, 666 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: WTF happened in nineteen seventy one, and what this guy did, 667 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Ben Prentice and some of his friends just took a 668 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: range of economic charts and they point to nineteen seventy one, which, 669 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: for historical context, is the moment Nixon took us off 670 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: the gold standard. Officially, we are no longer backed by gold. 671 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: We are just pure fiat money. And you start to 672 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: see a lot of things. In the last segment or 673 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: in the last hour, you brought up just how much 674 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: the police budgets started to bloom starting in nineteen seventy seven, 675 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: right around this window of time, So you see and 676 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: can point to the moment where we started to have 677 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: the money get ruined. You start to see also politicians 678 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: become millionaires very quickly, very conveniently for themselves. 679 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you think about in the book Thank 680 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: God for Bitcoin, they made a good case that I 681 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: really love is stuck with me, which is that we 682 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: tend to think of money as like a tool, and 683 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: tools could be used for good or bad. I can 684 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: with a screwdriver and fix my car, I get stabby 685 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: with it, so it's just a tool, so it's neutral. 686 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: But they said that that's not the case with Fiat money, 687 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: because Fiat money that the government creates is not neutral. 688 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: It's actually inherently evil. And it's inherently evil because it's 689 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: built on a system of theft. When they infleet inflate, 690 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: they steal from you. That's what vlnemer Lyin said. A 691 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: system of theft, a system of lies. They're constantly telling 692 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: us that they're tightening when they're really easing, et cetera. 693 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: And uh, theftlies and deceit. They're constantly deceiving us about 694 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing with policy, how many dollars there are, 695 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: they won't go through an audit, et cetera. So if 696 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: a system is built on theft, licency is inherently evil. 697 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: So then almost anything it's being used for then thereby 698 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: could also be used for evil. No, it's certainly okay. 699 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean I use Fiat for good, but as a 700 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: system it's bad. And so then you start to see 701 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world. And as opposed to that, 702 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: like a bitcoin system is open, it's transparent, it's permissionless, 703 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: and so it's built it's it's trustless. I don't want 704 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: to say it's truth itself, but it's code, it's transparent, 705 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: so we can we can trust it or we don't 706 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: have to trust it because it's open and transparent. And 707 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: so it's like almost like the exact opposite. Now, from 708 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: a theological standpoint, the Bible calls the devil the father 709 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: of lies. The only tool the devil has is deceit right, 710 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: and God would be called truth right, and so like, 711 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: you have two different systems. But if we can do that, 712 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: we change the incentive structures and maybe we go to 713 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: a world that didn't debouch the currency and destroy capitalism 714 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: and we end up in a more of a meocratic 715 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: world meritocracy right, where we're all trying to do better 716 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: for each other. 717 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: Totally, I mean, at its core, it really just goes 718 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: down to the government's ability to continue to print themselves 719 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 2: out of whatever situation they find themselves in prevents them 720 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: from having accountability for their mistakes and actions. It's like 721 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: you're a parent. If your children make a mistake, you 722 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: sit them down and you explain, hey, like, you messed 723 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: this up, this is how it got I messed up, 724 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: and this is how we do better in the future. 725 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: You learn from your mistakes. That's what my dad did 726 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: to me, and that's how I grew as a person 727 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: for some reason. Though our politicians are exempt from this. 728 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: They're able to just, hey, I misplaced two trillion dollars 729 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: on September tenth, again two thousand and one. And when 730 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: I brought that story up to you, he's like, that's 731 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: not the only time. Yeah, And it's like, that's not 732 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 2: an insignificant amount of money today, let alone twenty plus 733 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 2: years ago. But there's no accountability for that. In fact, 734 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: we promote, we give them new titles, we give them 735 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: new roles in government, and it's as though, just yeah, 736 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 2: they mess they messed up. Everyone makes mistakes, right, and 737 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 2: they learn from they are punished and learned from their mistakes. Yeah, 738 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: everyone except for you. 739 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no consequence exactly, And without consequence, how do we 740 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: learn because success is a horrible teacher. We learn from 741 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: our mistakes, right, And so if you don't burn your 742 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: hand to touch stove, then you don't know any better. 743 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: And so when you're constantly able to punt your way 744 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: out of it, I think about like safety. The author 745 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: of the Bitcoin standard, he says that a monarchy is 746 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: actually a preferred form of government because a monarchy really 747 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: treats the country more like an entrepreneur, and if he 748 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: mismanages it, then they're run out and somebody else gets 749 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: to try again. But in this FIAT money world, we 750 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: constantly print. 751 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: You know how the old Roman Empire used to fund 752 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: all of its endeavors and do all the things. 753 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: That wanted to do by debasing its currency. 754 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: Actually, no, before they started debasing their currency, it was 755 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: a sense of pride, and the wealthy class would almost 756 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: like submit applications. They were all assigned. Even if you 757 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: didn't submit an application, you were assigned. Hey, your role 758 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: within our community is you're to upkeep the roads. Hey, 759 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 2: you are the art director of our community. And so 760 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: the wealthy class was instilled to you have to fund 761 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 2: these endeavors to keep. 762 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: Our society duty and responsibility exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So 763 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: maybe if we get away from the FIAM money system 764 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: that's a system built on fleft flies and the seat, 765 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: get back to a somone system that, as Lenin said, 766 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: would be destroyed and we would just turn a gambling 767 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: and theft. We can get back to a world where 768 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: there's meritocracy and people are all working towards a common goal. 769 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: We get rid of the bad players, We reincentivize people. 770 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: At least that's what we're hoping. And you know, when 771 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: it comes to equality, I like to think of equality 772 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: of a chance, and really we need to make sure 773 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: everybody has the best chance they can have and not 774 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: optimize for the outcome. And I think having a form 775 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: of money that you can hold that doesn't get stolen 776 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: from you arbitrarily and you don't end up in a 777 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: system like Iran where you can't even get into the 778 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: global financial system, gives us that much more fair world, 779 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: a permissionless, borderless, censorship resistant, immutable world. If you just 780 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: tune in your listening to the Mark Wall Show, we've 781 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: been talking with Q, my show producer, about this inequality 782 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: and how bitcoin could fix this. That's what we got. 783 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: Let me know in the show notes what you think. 784 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: Until next time.