Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Saturday, February seventh, and a
Speaker 1: week ago today was the last time anyone saw Nancy Guthrie,
Speaker 1: And here we are a week later, and authorities still
Speaker 1: don't know where she is, who might have her, and
Speaker 1: even if she is alive or dead. With that, welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ Roapes. This is
Speaker 1: the reality of the situation right now. But this is
Speaker 1: a full week. The sheriff said he believes she's alive
Speaker 1: only because he has too.
Speaker 2: Yes, he said, until he has evidence proving or showing otherwise,
Speaker 2: he will continue to believe that she is alive. But
Speaker 2: certainly we know, and we knew from the beginning that
Speaker 2: this was a time sensitive situation, especially with Nancy Guthrie,
Speaker 2: because she had life saving medication she wasn't with. We
Speaker 2: were told twenty four hours and it could be fatal.
Speaker 2: Here we are a full week later.
Speaker 1: It's a good point that even if this was a
Speaker 1: perfectly healthy adult that was kidnapped, the clock is ticking
Speaker 1: and they will tell you we only have twenty four
Speaker 1: to forty eight hours. You gotta find them quickly immediately
Speaker 1: to add all of her issue. It's just man, you're praying,
Speaker 1: but your heart is getting heavier and heavier throughout this.
Speaker 1: We want to give you the updates here on Saturday
Speaker 1: because there are some significant ones and broads. Let's just
Speaker 1: start with this one. The President of the United States
Speaker 1: has inserted himself into this investigation in a way now
Speaker 1: that he's almost robes, promising something soon.
Speaker 2: Yes, he did promise something soon. So he was on
Speaker 2: air force. This happened last night. He was talking to reporters,
Speaker 2: and truly, this is just the topic of all conversations.
Speaker 2: We're here at the Super Bowl, if you've been listening
Speaker 2: to us in San Francisco, and where most conversations would
Speaker 2: be talking about sports and festivities and activities, everyone is
Speaker 2: talking about this case, including the President. He told this
Speaker 2: to reporters. We have some things I think that will
Speaker 2: maybe come out reasonably soon from the DOJ or the
Speaker 2: FBI or whoever that could be, could be definitive. A
Speaker 2: lot has taken place in the last couple of hours.
Speaker 2: A lot of things have happened with regard to that
Speaker 2: horrible situation in the last couple of hours. And then
Speaker 2: he went on to say that the investigation is going
Speaker 2: very well. He said very well, meaning we have some clues.
Speaker 2: I think they're very strong, and I think we could
Speaker 2: have some answers coming up fairly soon.
Speaker 3: That's very strong.
Speaker 1: Don't say that he might maybe he knows something, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it was vague and maybe and I
Speaker 1: think and Pops and we've got some clues. But Swillard,
Speaker 1: that is promising something. He has everybody on edge that
Speaker 1: information is coming.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yes, And look, we woke up to seeing all this
Speaker 2: around and I think it happened around nine o'clock Eastern
Speaker 2: time last night, and that actually gave me hope for answers.
Speaker 2: It didn't give me hope that it was going to
Speaker 2: be the answer that I know the Guthrie family and
Speaker 2: so many people are praying for, because it didn't seem
Speaker 2: as though that would be an urgency that would feel
Speaker 2: a little different. They've just got some strong leads. And
Speaker 2: then we have some other developments that happened throughout the
Speaker 2: day yesterday that also point in a probably a more
Speaker 2: concerning direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to start there with the developments, let's make
Speaker 1: this one clear first that still no suspect, no person
Speaker 1: of interest has been identified by the authorities out there.
Speaker 1: They say, look, not just that we're not telling you
Speaker 1: all about it. They're saying, we don't have one at
Speaker 1: this point. The other developments on this and let's go
Speaker 1: here again. It feels like ransom notes of flying all
Speaker 1: over the.
Speaker 3: Place these days.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there has been and this was confirmed by police,
Speaker 2: another new message regarding Nancy Guthrie. That's what they said.
Speaker 2: That's how they put it out. They said, I'll give
Speaker 2: you the exact FBI alert. The FBI and Pima County
Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department are aware of a new message regarding Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 2: Investigators are actively inspecting the information provided in the message
Speaker 2: for its authenticity. That was interesting, and they said they're
Speaker 2: not sure if it's connected to the other note, Like
Speaker 2: they don't know if it's the same sender who sent
Speaker 2: those notes. But this too was sent to KOLD, that
Speaker 2: local Tusson TV station via email yesterday. Rob.
Speaker 1: This sounds like they have confirmed that multiple people have
Speaker 1: sent notes without confirming that any note is credible.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: I think that is a very good way to put.
Speaker 1: It, because they've already arrested one fool in California for
Speaker 1: doing a ransom note, so he was responsible for only
Speaker 1: one ransom demand that was different. The notes are coming
Speaker 1: to different stations at different times with different deadlines they're
Speaker 1: looking into and they say they have to take seriously
Speaker 1: all of them.
Speaker 3: But Ropes have they said that.
Speaker 1: They believe any one of these is from an authentic kidnapper.
Speaker 2: Now all of them say that they are inspecting because
Speaker 2: in these notes apparently there's information there was One of
Speaker 2: the notes had something about her Apple Watch and describing
Speaker 2: her Apple watch, describing what she was wearing. So they
Speaker 2: are trying to connect what is in this note, this
Speaker 2: newest note in the other notes and say does this
Speaker 2: person have information that only a kidnapper or an abductor
Speaker 2: would have and they don't.
Speaker 1: Part of that as well, Robes is she was photographed
Speaker 1: more than most eighty four year olds, if you will,
Speaker 1: because she's hanging with the mom, she's around a mom
Speaker 1: and Today show. So they were even suggesting that some
Speaker 1: things you could scour the internet and find pictures and
Speaker 1: look in the background and what was she wearing?
Speaker 3: Did she have this?
Speaker 1: So they're even having to figure that out Ropes, and
Speaker 1: of course things can be manipulated, blah blah blah, But Robes,
Speaker 1: for hell's sake, When did the Sun put out a note?
Speaker 2: It was Wednesday, February fifth, It was Thursday.
Speaker 3: Thursday, and so the family did it the day before.
Speaker 2: Correct, So the family did it Wednesday. He did it
Speaker 2: Thursday times with that five pm deadline in one of
Speaker 2: the notes.
Speaker 3: So that tells us at least Robe they were begging.
Speaker 1: He in that video on Thursday did not believe that
Speaker 1: they had ever authentically heard from a kidnapper. Correct, he's
Speaker 1: begging please getting contact with us and let us know
Speaker 1: you have a mom.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Cameron Guthrie confirmed to all of
Speaker 2: us in his video that they have not heard from
Speaker 2: the kidnapper even after their plea, even after these notes
Speaker 2: have been sent. So what does the ki kidnapper do
Speaker 2: send another note to a TV station? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have another way. I mean,
Speaker 2: is there a way for them to directly? Obviously they
Speaker 2: could call the number from the Sheriff's department. They could
Speaker 2: call those numbers have been out for crime stoppers in
Speaker 2: the Pema County Sheriff's Department. But how would a a
Speaker 2: would be kidnapper directly contact the Guthrie family without wanting
Speaker 2: to involve law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like if you had thought your damn
Speaker 1: kidnapping out, you might have had this laid out already.
Speaker 1: That lends itself to another theory that these notes are
Speaker 1: not real and something else happened in that house that
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with a ransom.
Speaker 2: Exactly, wouldn't you leave a ransom note behind in the
Speaker 2: home itself? And then instead of trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how to get in contact with the family. None of
Speaker 2: it makes sense. None of it makes sense. And then
Speaker 2: hearing what the President Trump said on Air Force One
Speaker 2: last night, I don't know it just it feels like
Speaker 2: and look, and on top of that, then seeing them
Speaker 2: and there could be a lot of reasons why the
Speaker 2: police cordoned off the street in front of Nancy Guthrie's home.
Speaker 2: But look, this had been a crime scene. They said
Speaker 2: it was a crime scene. They removed the crime scene tape,
Speaker 2: said and returned the property back over to the family.
Speaker 2: Then they put crime scene tape back up. Then they
Speaker 2: restricted now the entire road. So it's the FBI is
Speaker 2: back on the scene. We don't know what they're reinvestigating,
Speaker 2: but certainly if there is new information, which it sounds
Speaker 2: like there is they are following up, and it's tough
Speaker 2: to say it out loud.
Speaker 1: There's a reality of these situations, and the authorities know
Speaker 1: as well that every I mean you say days, but
Speaker 1: every minute, every hour that goes by, there's a less
Speaker 1: likelihood of finding her safe and sound.
Speaker 3: But we're a week in.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're waiting to I think we've gotten
Speaker 1: to a point where opes, hope can be there. But
Speaker 1: every update we're waiting to hear, we're we're waiting to
Speaker 1: hear the worst. Yes, And I guess we're trying to
Speaker 1: read between the lines of what President Trump was said.
Speaker 1: He didn't sound hopefully, didn't sound we're going to bring
Speaker 1: Nancy home kind of a situation exactly. It was more
Speaker 1: so we might have an update. It shit, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the question was he was asked.
Speaker 1: Actually did he take the opportunity to announce something or
Speaker 1: was he just responding to a question.
Speaker 3: I don't know the.
Speaker 2: Way it's put up. And actually I'm looking at NBC's
Speaker 2: reporting because I trust that because obviously Savannah is in
Speaker 2: their family, and they I'm sure are extra careful. They're
Speaker 2: always careful, but extremely careful when it comes to what
Speaker 2: they're reporting, given who Savannah is and what she means
Speaker 2: to them. So I'm actually really relying on their reporting,
Speaker 2: and this is how they put it. Trump says there
Speaker 2: are some very strong clues in the investigation. That's the headline,
Speaker 2: and then the ride of is President Donald Trump tonight?
Speaker 2: This was late last night, said the investigation into finding
Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie is going very well. So they just said,
Speaker 2: he told reporters on Air Force One, we know what
Speaker 2: those gaggles are like. Usually he's asked questions, and you
Speaker 2: would think, given the fact that he's already put something
Speaker 2: on truth Social about this that he said he spoke
Speaker 2: to Savannah, it would be highly likely that a reporter
Speaker 2: asked him a question about this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of robes as we know, and you
Speaker 1: could imagine to a certain degree, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people who haven't maybe not as close.
Speaker 3: As to the close to the situation.
Speaker 1: I say a situation only in that we know a
Speaker 1: lot of these people and worked with some of these
Speaker 1: folks who are being impacted over there at NBC News. Now,
Speaker 1: I think even if you don't know them well, seeing
Speaker 1: how they have responded so far, has certainly been admirable.
Speaker 1: It's been appreciated and endears you to the quote unquote
Speaker 1: NBC family a little more.
Speaker 3: But folks, stay here.
Speaker 1: We also got another word about how they're having to
Speaker 1: change their Olympics coverage that also brought a tier to ours.
Speaker 3: Stay here.
Speaker 1: I would continue on this Saturday, February seventh with the
Speaker 1: date on the search for Nancy Guthrie. President Trump has
Speaker 1: chimed in saying, and I want to get us his
Speaker 1: words on in front of me. But the way he
Speaker 1: put it, we have some things, have some clues, could
Speaker 1: be getting answers soon.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he said, I think we're doing very well,
Speaker 2: very well, meaning we have some clues. I think that
Speaker 2: are very strong, and I think that we could have
Speaker 2: some answers coming up fairly soon.
Speaker 1: That's from the President of the United States, fairly soon,
Speaker 1: some answers to a mystery for a full week now.
Speaker 3: He's saying we might have some answers soon.
Speaker 2: And that's significant because I would we know when he
Speaker 2: says things and when he hints things when he and
Speaker 2: he does do this, he bread crumbs a lot. Whenever
Speaker 2: he's either teeing up something announcement, he's going to make
Speaker 2: or any kind of information he may have. I believe
Speaker 2: him on this one. That so, I mean we will
Speaker 2: be on the edge of our seat throughout the next
Speaker 2: two days, really just waiting for word. But we did
Speaker 2: get this. Also, I mentioned NBC reporting. NBC has said,
Speaker 2: and I thought this was somewhat significant that there is
Speaker 2: a car of interest according to their reporting, that there
Speaker 2: is a local circle Cave that says police came into
Speaker 2: law enforcement came into one of their stores in Tucson
Speaker 2: after receiving a tip regarding a vehicle of interest. They
Speaker 2: said they were able to provide police with that surveillance
Speaker 2: video showing this vehicle. So that's the first we're hearing
Speaker 2: of any kind of vehicle being potentially even identified in
Speaker 2: this case. I mean, they have had no clues.
Speaker 1: Again, there's a lot of that, and we know we're
Speaker 1: hesitate sometimes with some of that because there's just so
Speaker 1: much going on and there's a void of real information
Speaker 1: in this case. So every little thing does turn out
Speaker 1: to be significant. We have been watching I mean, if
Speaker 1: you might have watched the open ceremony of the Olympics yesterday,
Speaker 1: but competition has been going on for the past several
Speaker 1: days in fact, and it's been Look, it's always great
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 3: It's great to just watch the competition.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, ropes every time an anchor
Speaker 1: comes up, or anytime there's a toss or in that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch it. I want to see
Speaker 1: the competition. But there's something about Savanna on not being there,
Speaker 1: just knowing how much they've had to shift things around.
Speaker 3: It's not the priority.
Speaker 1: Even how big of a deal with the Olympics, it's
Speaker 1: nothing compared to what's going on in Savannah Guthrie's world.
Speaker 1: But roapes, they've made an adjustment to their schedule, to
Speaker 1: their anchors, to who's leading all this coverage. And then
Speaker 1: we had a name thrown at us and we both said,
Speaker 1: God damn, good job NBC. That lets me know how
Speaker 1: much of a family you all actually are.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: This gave me chills to see Hoda copy come back
Speaker 2: out of retirement basically probably saying, hey, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm here, I got this, I got Savannah's back. Look,
Speaker 2: you and I both worked there. I shared a dressing
Speaker 2: room with Hoda for a year. I worked alongside Savannah.
Speaker 2: And this is a true statement and It's so awesome
Speaker 2: that I can say this and you can say this
Speaker 2: having worked there too. It is a family over there.
Speaker 2: They support each other. And then to see it happen,
Speaker 2: Hodah is home with her children, made a very big
Speaker 2: move and she didn't even hesitate, woke up and is
Speaker 2: filling in for Savannah as a show of support and unity.
Speaker 2: And I just thought that was one of the most
Speaker 2: beautiful things. When we heard. We were actually in a
Speaker 2: car going somewhere and our producers at iHeart told us,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Hodah's filling in for Savannah, and you
Speaker 2: and I looked at each other and we it got
Speaker 2: us emotional.
Speaker 1: Holdah's a special one to me. I love this lady, Okay,
Speaker 1: but I said, we said, this is not this. Don't
Speaker 1: need to negotiate. What do you need?
Speaker 3: I'll show up.
Speaker 1: Holda is a very familiar face and to be honest, Robe,
Speaker 1: she might be in the past several years at least,
Speaker 1: the most motherly or comforting or or Queen Bee if
Speaker 1: you will, of the show. And she and Savannah just
Speaker 1: have different tones totally. They have different tones, they have
Speaker 1: different feels. They work together so work beautifully. But Holda
Speaker 1: to see Holdah made me feel good. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was in good hands. And I don't even watch
Speaker 1: the Today Show. It was a wonderful thing to see
Speaker 1: that we went start going through people Robes, just good folks.
Speaker 1: Craig melvioyn good guy, Savannah, a good woman, hold a
Speaker 1: good people, l good people.
Speaker 3: These are good, genuinely folks.
Speaker 1: Now, there are plenty of folks we don't have to
Speaker 1: open our mouths about that we've worked with in this business.
Speaker 1: But these are ones we're willing to open our mouths
Speaker 1: about and put and put our and endorse them publicly
Speaker 1: as good folks. And to see them now rally together
Speaker 1: as a family, your heart goes out to them, all
Speaker 1: of them, but Robes. I think it's wildly impressive, and
Speaker 1: I think it says so much about who they are
Speaker 1: and who that show is. I love the whole thing
Speaker 1: set me off. It felt like a big embrace just
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 3: She was back.
Speaker 2: I agree. I know, I love how you put that.
Speaker 2: It really did somehow ease a little pain and a
Speaker 2: little anxiety that a lot of people are feeling right
Speaker 2: now for Savannah. You know, I thought it was pretty
Speaker 2: cool and NBC put this up. All the people who
Speaker 2: have commented on that GUS three family video where they
Speaker 2: are playing for an abductor to make contact with them
Speaker 2: and directly talking to their mom mommy. But they started
Speaker 2: putting some of the folks who have chimed in on
Speaker 2: that particular post on Savannah's website, from Cheryl Crow to
Speaker 2: Chlobe Kardashian, Kardashian too, Hallie Jackson, Hotocopy, Tina Knowles, Beyonce's
Speaker 2: mom put a prayer underneath, like this is captivated and
Speaker 2: I don't want to use that word in some salacious way,
Speaker 2: but people care from all walks of life, from the
Speaker 2: biggest stars in the world to the folks who are there,
Speaker 2: who are her neighbors and everyone that we have run into.
Speaker 2: They care. They want to see Nancy Guthrie returned home
Speaker 2: safely because.
Speaker 1: No one, I don't care who you are. There's been
Speaker 1: some nasty stuff online. Soar if any human being in
Speaker 1: this country who here is an eighty four year old
Speaker 1: has been abducted and your first thought isn't what can
Speaker 1: we do to get this woman home?
Speaker 3: Something's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Your first thought is what she has reported on or
Speaker 1: what's your So I'm saying rope in some way. Everybody
Speaker 1: your heart goes out for an eighty four year old,
Speaker 1: that's part of it. But you brought up the Rob
Speaker 1: Reiner situation. As shocking as that was, it was shocking,
Speaker 1: and it happened and it was done. And we're trying
Speaker 1: to understand a murder. This is a mystery that has continued.
Speaker 3: For a week. What the actual hell is going on?
Speaker 2: You've looked over at me at points during the day
Speaker 2: and say, where could she be? It is and weird.
Speaker 2: You know, we're adjacent to this. I cannot imagine this
Speaker 2: being a family member. The hell that they must be
Speaker 2: going through. So I'm so happy to see them getting
Speaker 2: the support and getting the resources they need. And we
Speaker 2: will obviously stay on this, especially hearing the President is
Speaker 2: letting us know this could be imminent.
Speaker 3: I think I forgot the extra nugget. Did we mention ropes?
Speaker 1: They're now going back and searching areas that they said
Speaker 1: they had called off searches for.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it's just not a good sign.
Speaker 2: That's not a good sign. And look, we have heard
Speaker 2: that the terrain around Nancy Guthrie's home is described as rugged,
Speaker 2: like it's really different cult to navigate imagine cactus and
Speaker 2: brush and all sorts of sticky, icky, awful things. So
Speaker 2: this is a tough, rugged area that's rural, and so
Speaker 2: that's concerning to know that they're looking around those areas.
Speaker 2: Obviously they'd be searching for a body. You wouldn't be
Speaker 2: searching for anyone alive in those areas. So it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously that's deeply concerned.
Speaker 1: Concernly that you Okay, we don't there's no reason to
Speaker 1: search this area anymore, but now there is, like what
Speaker 1: is the new thing that's come up that makes them
Speaker 1: think that there's a possibility now of finding here in
Speaker 1: an area they say, it's no use in even looking
Speaker 1: exactly all right, folks, we're gonna stay on top of
Speaker 1: this to keep a close eye on it today. As always,
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