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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Remy Warren to discuss logistics

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Speaker 2: and tactics for planning a backcountry mountain whitetail hunt. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by First Light, and today we're continuing our adventure series,

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Speaker 2: taking a look at different ways to bring adventure into

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Speaker 2: your white tail hunting season. And we've got a heck

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Speaker 2: of an idea here today and a heck of a guest.

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Speaker 3: As I just.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned, joining me is Remy Warren. He's a guy that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure many of you are familiar with. He's a

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Speaker 2: long time mountain hunting guide, expert, television host, podcaster, social

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Speaker 2: media extraordinary, one of the absolute best resources when it

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Speaker 2: comes to planning Western or big wild adventures hunting trips.

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Speaker 2: But what a lot of folks probably don't realize that

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Speaker 2: he is also kind of a closet whitetail Guru. The

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Speaker 2: guy really enjoys going on whitetail hunts every single year,

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Speaker 2: but doing it in a pretty unique way different then

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Speaker 2: definitely different than your standard whitetail hunts. He is doing

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Speaker 2: this in the backcountry and in the mountains. He's doing

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Speaker 2: backpacking trips for white tails. He's trekking in deep into

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Speaker 2: the wilderness for white tails. He's chasing them in very

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Speaker 2: different kinds of terrain, big mountains, rough country, and he's

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Speaker 2: killing great deer, having a lot of fun, having a

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Speaker 2: great experience, and coming back with very unique stories to tell.

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Speaker 2: So if that sounds appealing to you, if you are

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Speaker 2: intrigued with the idea of backpacking for white tails, or

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Speaker 2: going into the back country or up into the mountains

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Speaker 2: for a whitetail hunt, even if you're just going to

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Speaker 2: do day trips and camping down by the road, this

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Speaker 2: is the podcast for you. Remy Warren is going to

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Speaker 2: share his secrets, his tactics, his plans for pulling off

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Speaker 2: this kind of hunt. We talk through everything from how

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Speaker 2: to determine a region that should have white tails out west,

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Speaker 2: where to find these deer on the mountains in a

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Speaker 2: big wild forested landscape. We talk through planning logistics around

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Speaker 2: your camping. Should you backpack in, should you car camp?

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Speaker 2: What kind of gear do you need for this kind

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Speaker 2: of hunt? What kind of conditions should you be prepared for.

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Speaker 2: We discuss a lot around tactics, the different specific styles

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Speaker 2: of hunting. He uses, the places he searches out deer,

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Speaker 2: how long, how long he stays in a given region

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Speaker 2: before moving to the next spot, uses calls and rattles,

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Speaker 2: you know what time of year is best for a

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Speaker 2: backcountry or whitetail hunt in the mountains.

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Speaker 3: All sorts of stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: If you want to try something new this year, this

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Speaker 2: is going to be a podcast you definitely want to

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Speaker 2: listen to. Remy is a heck of a resource, an

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Speaker 2: expert in so many ways, and someone who I think

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Speaker 2: has a lot to teach each and every one of us. So,

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Speaker 2: without any further ado, I think we should get to

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Speaker 2: my chat with mister Remy Warren. All right with me now?

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Speaker 2: Is Remy Warren?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show? Remy? Yeah, man, thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me on. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And you are someone who have wanted to have on

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Speaker 2: the show for a while now. It's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 2: This thing's been around for twelve years or something, and

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Speaker 2: this is our first podcast, but it's it's perfect timing

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Speaker 2: because we're doing this series of whitetail adventure ideas. And

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Speaker 2: I have seen your whitetail hunts on YouTube for quite

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Speaker 2: a few years now, but they're very different than just

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Speaker 2: about any other white tail hunt out there.

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Speaker 3: I've heard you describe it as.

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Speaker 2: Big mountain white tail hunting. What do you what do

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Speaker 2: for us of what that looks like and what's the appeal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean the way that I kind of

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Speaker 4: like like to hunt white tails is essentially mountain hunting

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Speaker 4: white tails, and I think that you know, white tails

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Speaker 4: no disrespect to white tail hunters, but like they get

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Speaker 4: this like mountainous habitat I call it big mountain white

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Speaker 4: tails are like oftentimes I'll be hunting late season. I'm

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Speaker 4: like I target them. Well, I'll target during the archery

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Speaker 4: you know most people might not think about. They're death

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Speaker 4: only you know a kind of different habits and habitat

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Speaker 4: even like you mentioned some of the videos on them.

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Speaker 4: This is like a hunt that I do every year

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Speaker 4: in multiple different states or different places, and it's kind

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Speaker 4: it's partially because like I do hunt a lot of them,

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Speaker 4: like in wilderness areas too, so I don't share those

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Speaker 4: kind of I kind of actually just do it as

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Speaker 4: I love it, Like it's there's a certain challenge about it,

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Speaker 2: I heard you say once that when you get up

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Speaker 2: But for so many whitetail hunters, it's the opposite, right.

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Speaker 2: The average white tailed guy just loves being up there.

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Speaker 4: That's I mean to be honest, like it you just

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Speaker 4: So it's like making views, you know, Like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: You know, used to do a lot of like this big.

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Speaker 4: Like you just can go anywhere, and it's like a

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Speaker 4: very freeing experience to be like I'm white tail hunting

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Speaker 4: and I can go wherever I want, Like it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see the appeal to that for sure.

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Speaker 2: What's the if the best thing is the adventure, freedom

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Speaker 2: the flip side? What would you say might be the

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Speaker 4: Kicks your butt, like mentally and physically the way that

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Speaker 4: I do it, Like, you know, there's not you aren't

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Speaker 2: What kind of expectation then, would you say it's fair

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Speaker 2: And I know you've founded a bunch of different areas

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like you expect lower deer densities. Finding

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Speaker 4: like I'm trying to think, you know, just past hunts

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Speaker 4: a deer for that kind of hunt, Right, Sometimes the

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Speaker 4: like you see quite a few, like you kind of

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Speaker 4: But I think like the challenge is just like kind

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's that's the thing is I feel like

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Speaker 2: so many times when when you go from traditional whitetail

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Speaker 2: landscape is so different, the scale is so different.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to go out there and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is the kind of country that elk live in.

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Speaker 2: And there's so much talk about, you know, the kind

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Speaker 2: just because, like you said, they're kind of looked down

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Speaker 2: Is there any kind of Is there any kind of

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Speaker 4: There is, like some of it you can't discern necessarily

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Speaker 4: like really thick. It's got more like not they won't

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Speaker 4: It was like, shit, I don't think anybody's hunting white

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Speaker 4: like crick bottoms, like willows, like all the like thicker

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Speaker 3: And then also like the meal.

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Speaker 4: Deer will gravitate toward those larger open areas, whereas like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that your tactics typically apply to that

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Speaker 4: I like the first like first part of November, okay

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Speaker 4: Once they've like once they've locked down with a dough,

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Speaker 4: I rattle and I call, and so like that cruising phase,

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Speaker 3: That maybe maybe you're hunting a canyon that's like.

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Speaker 4: Ten miles long, and there's you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: And I do like a lot of rattling, a lot

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Speaker 4: I don't like no such thing as over calling it

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Speaker 4: I'm always calling, like rattling, calling right and calling, stopping moving.

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Speaker 3: Are you calling constantly?

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Speaker 4: Like if I'm sitting in glassing, like dude, I hit

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Speaker 4: I'll sit for like a few minutes, five minutes whatever

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, this is a guy like a little

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Speaker 4: If I had more patients, I probably, but i just

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Speaker 4: like I'll do a call sequence. Maybe I'm gonna glass

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Speaker 4: maybe it's maybe longer, and I'll sit there, set up ready,

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Speaker 4: like I've had deer walk into five yards, you know,

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Speaker 3: To to do a different route.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of little tricks to this, like finding

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Speaker 3: And they will shoot them.

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Speaker 4: You know, Like there's a lot of crazy strategy that

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Speaker 4: And that's like one of the strategies that I use,

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Speaker 2: What about wind when you're when you're setting up in

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Speaker 3: You know set up? How's that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm definitely like the wind's big. But you know,

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Speaker 4: like I'm across canyon glassing. If I'm rifle hunting, archery hunting,

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Speaker 4: like you'd have to, it's like a whole nother that's

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Speaker 4: is a whole completely different game, but like late season

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00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: mostly rifle hunting or like bow hunting, but like you know,

434
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: utilizing the calling to bring them in. And yeah, it's

435
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 4: it's mostly getting a cross canyon and then like generally

436
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 4: your wind, like you're working into the wind as you're

437
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: still hunting to like working into the wind. The whole

438
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 4: game is built on working into the wind. And then

439
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 4: if you know, the nice thing about having all that

440
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: room is like if the wind's not great, you can

441
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: move and so like continually like where I think the

442
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: deer might be, just making sure that that wins right,

443
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: but I kind of just start that hiking walking into

444
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: the wind. And then yeah, I mean another strategy that

445
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: like it utilized a lot that's very successful in this

446
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 4: kind of country is like fresh snow and tracking deer,

447
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: and I utilize that a lot, like you know, and

448
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 4: sometimes you end up a long ways away, but that's

449
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: how we how I actually kind of find good areas

450
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: is like covering a lot of country in fresh snows,

451
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: I mean track like it's a dead giveaway of like

452
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 4: this is a this is a concentration of deer here.

453
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: So so imagining that situation kind of going a little further.

454
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: If you're if you're new to an area, I guess,

455
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: and you don't know this spot yet there's snow on

456
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: the ground. Is that maybe the starting point other than

457
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 2: I'm sure scouting picking out likely areas, but then just

458
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: cover a lot of ground fine tracks. Are you walking?

459
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: Is it just walk ridge lines? Or are you walk

460
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: walking draws or you know, how do you cover ground

461
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: the best? When it comes to white tails?

462
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: Mostly like yeah, like walking ridge lines, it was like

463
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: walking in the bottom You'll you'll see deer, but it's

464
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 4: loud and it's like hard to walk in often, but yeah,

465
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: I'm looking for that sign. Sometimes I will walk the

466
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: bottoms because I know that they reason they're in and

467
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, make moves, you know, so I'll walk those bottoms,

468
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: I mean, and it it might be like a weird

469
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: tactic as well, like there's a lot of stuff that

470
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: probably doesn't line up with any other white tail anty.

471
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 4: But like if there's an area that I'm like, this

472
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: is a thick area that like looks like good white

473
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: tail habitat, like you know you'll get you'll get into

474
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 4: this like spot. Its like there's a little bench and

475
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: there's like water in it, there's like tall grass, there's

476
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: I don't know you know, like different kind of like

477
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: you'll be in pines and it's got like willows or

478
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: something else, you know, something like that. You're like, oh,

479
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: this looks this looks like a good spot, and you

480
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: see you start to see sign or whatever. Maybe you

481
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 4: don't even see sign, Like I'll walk through that area

482
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: and knowing like, yeah, I'm still hunting. But if I

483
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: blow a deer out, it's actually not a bad thing

484
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 4: because I kind of will we'll learn something about that

485
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 4: area and those deer of like, okay, there's deer in here.

486
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: I bumped them.

487
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: A lot of these deer I have never seen people,

488
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: so it's like cool, they're just like they run off

489
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: and stop. And I have the call handy too, so

490
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: like if I bump a deer, I just hit that

491
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 4: call immediately and then and then knowing like okay, now

492
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: I know that this is like a hole, this is

493
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: an area where deer living. I can then kind of

494
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 4: extrapolate other strategies of like getting up on the ridge

495
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: glassing into here. But like step one, find the deer

496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: and that could take sometimes days sometimes immediately like where

497
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: are these deer pockets at? And this step two is

498
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: like strategizing and like actually employing tactics to like be

499
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: able to kill the deer. So, like bumping deer is

500
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: not bad. It's just because you got to find them,

501
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: like and you just if you're worried about blowing something

502
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 4: out all the time, you're never going to find them.

503
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: To be honest, you said that some of these deer

504
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: maybe never seen people. Yeah, that kind of ties into

505
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: one of the things I've been curious about, which is,

506
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: I know that white tails don't get nearly the attention

507
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: out there by you as they do back here. By

508
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: may not as much pressure for white tails, but there

509
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: are a lot of guys out there chasing elk, chasing

510
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: mule deer, et cetera. Do white tails simply exist in

511
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: places where everybody else is ignoring and so you just

512
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: don't have mule deer and elk hunters spending any time there.

513
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: So does that lead to these deer just not being

514
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: pressured or are there elk hunters and mule deer hunters

515
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: all around too and everything's getting pressured?

516
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: You know?

517
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: It's it's it depends where you are. But a lot

518
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: of the places it's like real bad el cabitat because

519
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 4: it's so thick and be like it's hard to hunt.

520
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 4: It's not like conducive for killing out there's not really

521
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: any meal deer, and so there's not really a reason

522
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: that people go to some of those places, and like

523
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people that might not even like realize

524
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: that there's white tails there or really be like keen

525
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: on diving in and hunting them.

526
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: I guess.

527
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: So that's one of the reasons that like I'll target

528
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: those areas where I find that there's going to be

529
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: fewer people, and I also try to find those seasons.

530
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: Like the cool thing about a lot of white tail hunts,

531
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: and this is probably across the country, but like there's

532
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 4: kind of more liberal seasons when it comes to white

533
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: tail hunting. So like the elk season might be a week,

534
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: like the oliar season might be a week, the white

535
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: tail season could be like a month, And so you

536
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: can get into the mountains like when there's no one

537
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 4: else hunting another animal. And oftentimes because there are a

538
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 4: lot of like state wide general tags and stuff like that,

539
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: all target areas where white tail seasons open, nothing else is,

540
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: and you really limit like the amount of people in

541
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: those particular areas.

542
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: So it's like not a great area for that stuff.

543
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: Anyways, there's white tails and there's no one else out there,

544
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: and that makes a big difference.

545
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Do So I've done a little

546
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: bit of elk hunting. I've you know, one of the

547
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: big things I learned out there hunting elk in the

548
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: mountains was that there was this kind of predictable pattern

549
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: with elk going kind of up and down elevation based

550
00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: on time of day.

551
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: What's going on? Do white tales do that out there?

552
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Do you see an up and down movement or do

553
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: they kind of have an elevation they stick at and

554
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: that you said, they've got a hole and they stay

555
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: in that hole quote unquote. What have you seen from

556
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: that kind of standpoint?

557
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like the does don't often move much, and

558
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: the bucks move an incredible amount. I've seen like over

559
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: the years, like I've I've actually which is surprising because

560
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: like it's hard to figure out their pattern in a way,

561
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: and I just like I've randomly found the same deer

562
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: in like certain areas. So they'll like they'll be up

563
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: on the top over here. Like let's say it's a

564
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: i don't know, like a valley. There's like say there's

565
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: a valley with a crick in the bottom, and then

566
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of like a big area think of

567
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: like I don't know, fifteen miles across or something like that,

568
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: and then there's like multiple drainages, and then you've got like,

569
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, different habitat types, and you've got like pocketed

570
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: doze up in here and near this clear cut and

571
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: then pocket a doe whatever. And the bucks will be

572
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: like up in that high kind of mid elevation and

573
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: they'll cruise, they'll drop down, they'll cross valley, and then

574
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: they'll kind of like they move kind of fairly quickly

575
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: up into that other elevation and then they kind of

576
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: cruise that you know, trying to hit every single pocket

577
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: is like looking for dose. And I do think that

578
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: they kind of make like in the wind circuits that

579
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: are real big like I've seen. And this is just

580
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: like random coincidence, I think, because I had a buddy

581
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: hunting and I found like a a weird and it

582
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: was like a deformed buck. It's like one horn and

583
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: then the other horn was like really like, there's no

584
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: way that there's two deer that look like this, And

585
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: I saw it in one particular spot and later that

586
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: day he saw it in another spot. And we kind

587
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 4: of always assumed that like these deer kind of make

588
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 4: these just based off like tracks and stuff.

589
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: Where these these bucks would.

590
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: Be going, and then you know it end up being

591
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 4: like a long ways away and seeing that same buck,

592
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: and like the other thing is like the where the

593
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: does will be is a hundred like so consistent. Like

594
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: once you find those dough pockets, they are very tight,

595
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: like they don't they don't move a lot. They'll move

596
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: down the mountain and up the mountain, but within like

597
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: the same drainage, but the bucks will go like freaking miles,

598
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: Like it would be cool to caller one of these

599
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: kind of deer and just see the like hot laps

600
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: that we call them that they do. But then they

601
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: can be pretty consistent, like I've killed a deer a

602
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: year after I saw it within like the same two

603
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: days a year later, checking the same dough pockets. So

604
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: like they have huge like the bucks have huge patterns

605
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: and the does have like micro patterns. And then as

606
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: the rut like as weather changes, where those doughs congregate

607
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 4: within their zone changes. But I think like they couldn't

608
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: survive any other way, like I just think that they're

609
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: they're they're they would vanish off that landscape because I

610
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: think that they just get too spread out. So the

611
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: way that they survived is like the does hold and

612
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: the bucks move, and that allows like the bucks to

613
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: cover all that country and find the few doughs. But

614
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 4: kind of knowing those pockets is key, and that's like

615
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: the you can if you've got like a couple good

616
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: live baits as I like to call them, like, you're

617
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna find bucks eventually.

618
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 2: Well, what's kind of cool about what you're saying is

619
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: it's actually exactly the same as hunting here, except like

620
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: the scale is just increased ten x. You know, like

621
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: right here you might have deer that live in a

622
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: square mile. But you know what all the research has

623
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: shown during the rut is that, you know, there's these

624
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: dough hot spots. And people like to say that you

625
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: can't pattern a buck during the rut, but actually collared

626
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: studies out here have found that, you know, they have

627
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: a handful of hot spots that they return to, they

628
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: cycle back to over and over again during the rut

629
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: looking for those does, and it's just happening in a

630
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: much tighter area because these deer don't need to travel

631
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: very far because there's food, cover, security, and dose, you know,

632
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: every one hundred acres here, while with you same thing,

633
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: you're just stretching it out to ten square miles maybe

634
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: you're a ten mile long canyon. So it's it's interesting

635
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: how deer in certain ways deer.

636
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: Deer are deer.

637
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Just the habitat is a little bit different, and I

638
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: imagine there's you know, I'm imagining there's pinch points and

639
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: funnels out there by you just like here, it just

640
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: looked different, right, I'm sure like saddles and stuff are

641
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: the probably the name of the game for you on

642
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.

643
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like saddles are big, like those

644
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: like benches and then the benches above like multiple draws

645
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: places where the wind kind of comes up from, like

646
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: the dough pockets. Yeah, Like I've got a couple of

647
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: places that it's thick, and it's like we I find

648
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: a lot of like my intel based off of like

649
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: when it snows, and then you just have to remember

650
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: like these these these places that you find because you

651
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: can kind of like learn a lot from following these deer,

652
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: which is a cool thing about this kind of thing

653
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: is you can follow deer and see what they do.

654
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: I mean, there's been a lot. Two years ago I

655
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: found I was hunting there. It was like snowing all night,

656
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: stopped right at sun sun up, you know, cut a

657
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: fresh track followed it. I think I hiked like seven

658
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: or eight miles, but I knew like where a dough

659
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 4: pocket was and that buck was going right to it,

660
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: and so like through pass like being like okay, I

661
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: bet you he's bedded up here. And sure enough, Like

662
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: I was with a buddy and he's like, dude, we've

663
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: been hiking for seven miles on it, and I was like,

664
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: I know he's gonna be on this bench, like this

665
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: is where they bed because I've done this like same route,

666
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: like the same path, the same thing like years before,

667
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: and like it's it's cool to see where it's like, okay,

668
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: they're how they move. It's like they run the ridges

669
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 4: they you know then like those those shorter bowls and stuff.

670
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: They like they kind of crossed through that, but you

671
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: know it's like okay, it's because the wind you know,

672
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: falls that way or whatever. And then they get into

673
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: these pockets where it's like okay, this ridge this little

674
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: bump is a little thicker, he's going to betted up here.

675
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: And you know, it's like just a larger scale, but

676
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: they have very specific habits that are I'm sure like universal.

677
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 3: To white tails.

678
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: It's just like a different elevation game doing it.

679
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: You know.

680
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: So you said that you like to find advantage. Call

681
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: call call, move to another vantage, call call call.

682
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

683
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you said like thirty minutes to an hour.

684
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: But I just want to make sure, like what's your

685
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: typical amount of time you'll give a spot, and like

686
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: how much time will you give a drainage maybe, Like

687
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: it sounds like maybe you'll move a couple of times

688
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: within a drainage, But how often where you move to

689
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: a totally new.

690
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: Area and try something brand new? Oh a lot.

691
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 4: So it's like as I get more information about an area,

692
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: that depends on how long I'm going to stay or

693
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 4: commit to it. Like there's some places where I go, okay,

694
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: like I know the time of year, like I've planted

695
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: this certain spot before. I know like this is the

696
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: you know, eventually a big Buck's going to come through

697
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: here and I'm might sit there all day. And then

698
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: there's places where it's like I don't know the area.

699
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find that pocket, that right pocket, and

700
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: I might move constantly, you know, when I get into

701
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: a place where I'm like, oh, this is buckier, like

702
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: when you get to those like oh this is.

703
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: A travel this is a corridor.

704
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: Like this has everything I need, Like it's got good

705
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: habitat on both sides. Here's a good pinch point. I

706
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: might sit there for a lot longer until I kind

707
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: of feel like I've covered the area. And for me,

708
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: mostly it's like, to be honest, sometimes it's like I'm

709
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: cold and bored.

710
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna walk and looks not a great strategy,

711
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: but it is. Yeah, it's like a you know, you

712
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: just don't know.

713
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: Like some days, I'm like I'm gonna sit and I've

714
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: got buddies that like they've got they'll bring those like

715
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: heat your body suit things and they'll go like they've

716
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: got the patience to be like, Okay, we found a

717
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 4: good spot.

718
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit it.

719
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, good on you, dude, And they kill good

720
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: bucks that way, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna go

721
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 4: bust through here and try to do the same thing.

722
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm successful doing it. Like so I

723
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: think both people, but you know, it just depends to

724
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: like if if I'm in an area and I'm like

725
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 4: calling and I'm getting like good response or seeing dos,

726
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: like if I see deer, if I if I'm in

727
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: an area that I know hows does it's the right

728
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: time of year, like okay, it's really thick, and I'm like, okay,

729
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm seeing does every once in a while. Man, I

730
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: might sit there until I feel like a buck that's

731
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: cruising would you.

732
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: Know, have popped out?

733
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: And then I'll move if I'm not seeing anything, if

734
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: I don't have sign if I'm like, I'll just keep

735
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: moving until I find the deer though, because like, you

736
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: really need to focus on where deer are, otherwise you're

737
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: just gonna spend your like, spend all your time wasted

738
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: where there's no deer.

739
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes that make like, Yeah.

740
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: Now what about the scenario where you're sitting there and

741
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: you keep seeing does, but a whole day goes by,

742
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: you don't see a buck. You got back out there

743
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: the next day seeing a bunch of doughs, still don't

744
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: see a buck?

745
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: Will you?

746
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: Will you stick to a place that you know has

747
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: does even if you're not seeing it a shooter buck yet,

748
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: just because you know eventually one will cruise through or

749
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: is there you have to see antlers to stick around.

750
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: I think I have to see the right kind of does.

751
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: So one of the things that like I just I

752
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 4: disregard pretty much all does with fawns. They are like

753
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: they doesn't from what I've found, Like you'll find like

754
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: those nursery pockets where it's like a bunch of does

755
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: with fawns in that like cruising phase and it doesn't

756
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: hold the bus. But then you find those like Fawndless does,

757
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: and they tend to stick around those areas more. Maybe

758
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 4: it's like they're I'm gonna come in de Striss sooner,

759
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but like it depends on the stage

760
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: of the rut too later in the season, and then

761
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: I will focus on those like pockets with more doze

762
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: and fawns. But if I'm in an area where I

763
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: think like they're they're cruising, it's early in the season,

764
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: and like I see doze but no bucks, I would

765
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: probably continue to use that time to like find more

766
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: pockets and then I check pocket to pocket to pocket.

767
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: So like as those bucks are making circuits. I'm kind

768
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: of making circuits as well, because like what I will

769
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 4: find as well is like once I hit where bucks are,

770
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna find other bucks. Because what will happen is

771
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: like whether this snow or not, it doesn't matter, like

772
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: those bucks smell those bucks, and then they like get

773
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: on those trails and then they follow those same routes.

774
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: So like, once you've got the zone, then I focus in.

775
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: Like if I got an area where it's like, oh,

776
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 4: there was a there's some does and I've seen bucks,

777
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: there's gonna be more bucks. If I just find a

778
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: pocket with does and like no bucks, then sometimes until

779
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 4: later on there might not be any.

780
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: With the.

781
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Okay, we're in this scenario, we're seeing doz, we've seen

782
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: some bucks come through, you're shifting around doing the calling.

783
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: What about like the specific sequences of call. You said

784
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: you're grunning a lot, you're rattling a lot. What does

785
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: that actually look like? Like what's your what kind of

786
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: grunning do you do? How long of a sequence? Same

787
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: thing for rattling? I'm curious about the details there.

788
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm trying to think, like so often I

789
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 4: probably start out with like grint, grint, grin, grint, grint,

790
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: and then rattle and then heat or or like sometimes

791
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: I'll start off with like a dobe eat like something

792
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: where if there's something close by, it might just draw

793
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: them out before I go crash antlers. Yeah, you know,

794
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: because sometimes like when I rattle to I'm not really

795
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: rattling for the small bucks, but they still often are

796
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: the most like interested in it no matter.

797
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: What you do.

798
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, so it would be like I don't know,

799
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: maybe I'll like grunt fifteen ten times fifteen times now, yeah,

800
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 4: and then I probably I probably do it a few times.

801
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: And then I always throw.

802
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: In like a hard to do you know what I mean,

803
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: not bad.

804
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Okay, And then I'll probably do a couple of those

805
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: and wait and then it's like I use these.

806
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: I've used everything, but there there's like a pack rack

807
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: or something like it's like a two little thing I

808
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: found like all the plastic crap though when it gets cold,

809
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: like a lot of times are real cold, and that's

810
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 4: probably why I don't sit too long, but like they

811
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 4: break when it gets cold.

812
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: But I'll use that like it.

813
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 4: Seems like it carries good noise, something that you like.

814
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: I try to also find like I do the same

815
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: thing I do with el hunting with bugling, where your

816
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: sound travels. So if I got an area where I

817
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: can hear it echoing across the canyon, I know that

818
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: like I'm covering the area more. If I if it's

819
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: like soaked up by vegetation, then I know that I

820
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: have to sit longer. So depending on those areas, when

821
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: I can hear it like broadcasting across there, I know

822
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: that it's traveling and I know that it's going to

823
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: be more receptive, and I kind of feel like if

824
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: anything's within earshot, I often see them within that like

825
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 4: fifteen minute range, you know, like the like it does

826
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 4: depend on the timing of the rut and how like

827
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: deer receptive they've been. That's I'll do that like grunt, grunt, bleat, blead, rattle,

828
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: rattle for mm hmm, like bucks fighting for a while,

829
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 4: you know, Like I don't know, like it's hard the

830
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 4: I for minutes. Yeah, yeah, you know, it just depends,

831
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: like you know, it'd be like I'll hit it like

832
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: back and forth, you know, Like like I try to

833
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: kind of think of like two deer fighting and like

834
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: how long are they doing this for?

835
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: Wait?

836
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 4: Do it again, because the strategy isn't like necessarily to

837
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: be like a realistic deer, is to just catch the

838
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: attention of something that's like looking for any deer. And

839
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 4: so I'll do that. Then I'll go back to grunting,

840
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: probably like three minutes later, I'll do another set of

841
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: calling wait again three to five minutes and then as

842
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: I kind of like get closer to maybe potentially leaving,

843
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 4: like it depends on like how that sounds traveling too,

844
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: Like if the rattling is traveling, no, well, I'll do

845
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: a lot more rattling and the other thing that I've

846
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: noticed too, for like I mean, on these hunts, I'm

847
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: actually like targeting pretty mature deer, and so I do

848
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: like if I bring antlers, they're often like heavy. I

849
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: actually use like meal their antlers a lot. On that

850
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: big initial smack, like I do that rout loud like

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: crash smack, Like I want it to be loud, and

852
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 4: I want it to be fairly aggressive. I don't kind

853
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: of like mediocre do it like I getn't get after

854
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: it because that's the one like if you want the

855
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 4: big bucks to run in, it needs to sound pretty

856
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: pretty heavy.

857
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then like so yeah, I guess it's say,

858
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: like I don't.

859
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 4: Know time wise, like you know, grunting for a minute, rattling,

860
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 4: and then sometimes I'll set a time or something like,

861
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: you know, three to five minutes and then hit it

862
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: again something like that.

863
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: So so you said you're you know, trying to target

864
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: mature bucks.

865
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

866
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: One of the things you hear about so much when

867
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: hunting out west, especially if you're trying to get a

868
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, mature mule deer elk or really any elk,

869
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: is you got to get way off the road, get

870
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: to these hard to reach places.

871
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: Right?

872
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: Does that apply to white tails out there? Or can

873
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: you you know, are you trekking in really deep to

874
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: find these deer spots or are you doing this close

875
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: to a car camp?

876
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: You know what's that look like? Oh? It just depends

877
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: to be honest.

878
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 4: Like the thing is like they do move a lot,

879
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: and also like that density of timber and the low

880
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: density of deer, you could kill these deer anywhere. Like

881
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: there's places that I've hunted and you're literally like walking,

882
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 4: you know, like moving spots, vehicle, getting out, doing some calling,

883
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 4: doing some glassing whatever, moving And there's other places where

884
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: it's like I'll be in a wilderness situation and like shit,

885
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: you can backpack on it, you know, like covering country

886
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: and keep everything on your back and like following try

887
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: especially if there's like snow, you might I may be

888
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: ten miles away from here tonight, I'm just gonna camp

889
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: where I'm at and find these areas. So it just depends,

890
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: like sometimes honestly, like I make my hunt plan based

891
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: on the weather too, because like it'll be twenty below

892
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 4: and you're just like it's nice to go back to

893
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 4: your camp. And then so like when I'm not packing in,

894
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: you probably do more hiking than when you're packing in,

895
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: to be honest, Like you might hike in five miles

896
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 4: like and then hike back out five miles or something

897
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: like that. Or more like my wife's first white tail buck,

898
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 4: we didn't camp because it was like terribly cold, but

899
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: like we climbed I think it was like we did

900
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, forty almost five thousand feet of elevation

901
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: game that day to kill her buck, like you know

902
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like that's gnarly, like in the Unique

903
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 4: Doe and like, yeah, dude, we spotted the buck like

904
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: probably three miles away and well, we spotted a deer

905
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: walking across the top of this opening and then went

906
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: up there.

907
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: It was a dough and like that's I know this zone.

908
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: Let's get in there. Got in there.

909
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: We're like laying down and watching that trail where that

910
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: dough was, and sure enough a buck comes out of

911
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 4: the timber and like kind of that same thing where

912
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: I's stling, Like they follow those trails pretty good. So

913
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: if you see where ones crossed, like it's a good

914
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: indication that so you know, it's like snowing. And we

915
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: just had climbed like just that last climb was three

916
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: thousand feet not including to like get into there, and

917
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: it was like it was awesome, Like it was a

918
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: tiny little it was our first year. I think it

919
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: was our first it was our first white tail, and

920
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: so like I don't know where I'm going with that,

921
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: but like, uh, you it can be it can be

922
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: as far and deep as you want, or it could

923
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: be somewhere it's just like you know, easy to access

924
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: to it, Like it doesn't have to be way back there.

925
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: But I mean, like my theory is this, like I

926
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: like to like all I'm not I don't know, I

927
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: don't know the best way to say it, Like I

928
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 4: kind of hunt for the area in some ways, but

929
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 4: also like I really like if I've got the time,

930
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: like to look for good bucks, and like I consider

931
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: a good buck like like a like a good mountain buck,

932
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 4: like a six year old one thirty to one forty

933
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: and then like we'll we'll get into those like one

934
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: fifty plus year and and to be honest, like dude,

935
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: that you think about a one fifty type year that

936
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: lives in the mountains has never seen agriculture, Like that's

937
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: a hell of a deer, and like they do exist,

938
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 4: like but you have to be in an area where

939
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: there's like decent genetics, but they just get age right

940
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: like anywhere, like think about you know anything. It's like

941
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: that's why targeting those places where there's fewer people, fewer deer,

942
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 4: you kind of have that like higher likelihood of finding

943
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 4: that that next level buck. And like i'd say, every

944
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: year I find one buck within that like big rate

945
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: like the one forty plus range. Oftentimes I screw it

946
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: up or someone I'm with is screwed it up, you know,

947
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: Like I take a lot of people and like you,

948
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: I've seen some giant year get missed or something stupid happen.

949
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like one of those things where you know,

950
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: I try to target those deer because that's fun for me.

951
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: And then and sometimes too it's like, well this year

952
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: I haven't like it's been struggling. I find like a

953
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: one to twenty type buck and it's like it's a

954
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 4: heck of a deer for this particular unit for this

955
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: like whatever's going on where I'm at, Like I'm way deep,

956
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: like didn't even know there was deer back here, found

957
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 4: this cool spot, and like I turned up a good deer.

958
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: So I think, like, but targeting those bigger deer, I

959
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: have to go to those places where I'm like, that's

960
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: that potential's there.

961
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: I guess that makes sense.

962
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I love the I love two things about this.

963
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: I like the idea of finding that old deer that

964
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: just isn't around people. That's so unique, at least in

965
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: the white tail world, right, I mean, most of the

966
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: white tails that we hunt are deer that are around people

967
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: all the time. So the idea of going somewhere where

968
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: you're chasing a deer that maybe has never seen a

969
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: person or very rarely with that, there's something special about that,

970
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: but then also just the the the allure of being

971
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: able to if you want to backpack in for a

972
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: white tail, that's just so different. Yeah, that seems like

973
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: a really cool twist on the traditional thing when you're

974
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: doing that. I know you said you've done both, but

975
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: when you do the packing in to whitetail hunt, can

976
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: you walk me through a little bit of how the

977
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: logistics might be different. Like one thing right at the

978
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: gate I'd be curious about would be, you know, where

979
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: should you set up your camp in relation to where

980
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna hunt? Like that was always a thing we're

981
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: thinking about when we were elk hunting, But I don't

982
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: know how much that would be different when you're white

983
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: tail hunting. How do you think about that? And then

984
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: any other logistics when it comes to you know, packing

985
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: in and operating out of the back country.

986
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean two times a year, you'd do

987
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: it like a September time frame, much more pleasant, like

988
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 4: gets nice and places that you know do that. It's

989
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: actually more prone to do it early season because you're

990
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: hunting the deer before they drop. Like I guess think

991
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: about like mountain bucks. The reason I call mountain bucks

992
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 4: because they like live and die on the mountain, and

993
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: they do these like seasonal things of like they're up

994
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 4: at that top third of the mountain. Like I've found

995
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 4: white tails up at ten thousand feet in the summertime,

996
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: we're like eighty five hundred feet just in like the

997
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: little summer range. And then I've also found them down

998
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 4: in the bottoms of three thousand feet. But most of

999
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 4: time I'm like targeting that like higher maybe not like

1000
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: out like might not be above timberline, but like that

1001
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 4: higher top third in the mountain, and it's conducive to

1002
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 4: like camping and everything. Then and then there's like late season,

1003
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 4: which is that November time frame, and mountains in November

1004
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: it can get super cold and like unpredictable weather. And

1005
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: it's not like we don't backpack hunt elk at the

1006
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: same time, So like, you know, late season, you just

1007
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: have so much more gear. You've got I bring like

1008
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: a four season tent, you know, zero sub zero degree

1009
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: sleeping bag, lyner, probably a lot of handwarmers, like dude,

1010
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: just freaking ten pounds of warmers, warmers, all of it,

1011
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 4: you know, stove generally like just melting snow for the water.

1012
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 3: That time you're.

1013
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 4: And then uh, Like for camping, I don't really get

1014
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 4: too bogged down in it. Like it depends on what's

1015
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 4: on the ground. Like if there's snow on the ground,

1016
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: I'm probably like finding tracks, finding pockets, and then I've

1017
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: got other pockets that i want to like check. But

1018
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: I'm generally like getting into an area that's hard to

1019
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 4: get into and then hunting that air. Like like I said,

1020
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: if I'm day hunting, I'm covering probably more ground than

1021
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 4: if I'm backcountry hunting. But I often it depends, like

1022
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: I might set up a base camp, Like let's say

1023
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 4: there's an opening, whether it's burn or whatever that I'm hunting,

1024
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 4: Like i piked in four or five miles and I've

1025
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: like got a camp. I just set it like downwind

1026
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 4: off kind of away from where I think that I'm

1027
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 4: gonna be hunting, and I'll be probably fairly close to

1028
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 4: like pop up on a glassing ridge and then and

1029
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: then glass that, and in those scenarios often I'm actually

1030
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: really like sitting and watching those areas a lot longer

1031
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: than I might be if I'm moving all over, because

1032
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 4: like once you're invested into a zone, you kind of

1033
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 4: have to be a little more careful about how you

1034
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: hunt it. If you're going different places like where you

1035
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: can access from day hunting, you aren't as careful because

1036
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: you can go somewhere else. When you've like pop committed

1037
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 4: to a certain canyon, you know, you kind of go

1038
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 4: in with that, like I don't I don't get too

1039
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 4: bogged down, and like where I'm camping to Bedred percent

1040
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 4: like I can't fairly close to where I'm at, but

1041
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: where it's like obviously not gonna spook the deer that

1042
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, If that makes sense. Yeah, Yeah, we used to,

1043
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: like my buddy used to like pack in a like

1044
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 4: a ground blind and like just like long ways and

1045
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 4: like sit in it, you know, in a heater, like

1046
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: just sitting. I think it was like his tent and

1047
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 4: his grind blind and you would just sit and watch

1048
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: and he'd like the guy had killed some giant bucks

1049
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 4: over the years. Yeah, but uh, for the most part,

1050
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: you're just like, you know, kind of camping near you're

1051
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: going to go. And then the way that I like

1052
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 4: to do it, if I had my druthers, like often

1053
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 4: I'll like if I'm not seeing what i want, then

1054
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: it's like everything's on my back, I'm hopefully cutting tracks

1055
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 4: going to a new spot. Maybe I'll hunt with all

1056
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 4: that stuff on my back until I get to a

1057
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: spot where this is where I'm gonna hunt. Or I

1058
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: kill a deer and then camp there, or find deer

1059
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 4: and then relocate and then like reset up camp. But

1060
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: it depends on the weather. Like the weather plays a

1061
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: huge factory in like the logistical aspects of it.

1062
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, for the sake of you know, let's let's

1063
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: assume someone's hearing this and they have not done an

1064
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: elk hunt before, They've not mulder hunter, they've they've never

1065
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: done a back country hunt. Give me the quick rundown

1066
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: on what somebody should be thinking about if they're going

1067
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: to try to pick a pack for this, just quick,

1068
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: like a white tail back country white tail hunt, going

1069
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: to backpack in given what you just describe, time of year,

1070
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: uh kind of factors, what should they be looking for

1071
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: when choosing that super important piece of kid?

1072
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you want a large A large pack

1073
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: I go with like the I use this stone glacier,

1074
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: and I like internal frame. I would say like a

1075
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: minimum of like a sixty five hundred cubic inches Like yeah,

1076
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 4: I mean I've got some pictures because it's like there's

1077
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 4: a place where I kill the buck. It's like a

1078
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: pretty good buck a few years back, and you got

1079
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: to realize, like you've got all your crap, plus you've

1080
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: got a buck, and to be one hundred percent honest,

1081
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: like probably where you're killing these bucks, there's a ton

1082
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 4: of deadfall, and like it's not somewhere you like when

1083
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 4: you're there, you're like I got here, but you don't

1084
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: want to make two trips, and so like an entire

1085
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: boned out dear, plus all your gear gets like a

1086
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: lot of stuff and you just want to get it out.

1087
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: So I go with like where I can have my

1088
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: gear and like late season year takes up so much room,

1089
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: So I do that, and then some kind of like

1090
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: even think about like an external like later something where

1091
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: you can stuff extra gear and like expand that pack

1092
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 4: is key. Like I'll bring like a load shelf kind

1093
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 4: of thing where I can like pull the bag away

1094
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 4: from the load shelf, put my gear in that or

1095
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: the meat in that, and like really.

1096
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: Expand it. So you so you've got a lot of room.

1097
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go on like a late season back country

1098
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: hunt with like a light pack, and even when I'm

1099
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: day hunting, I generally want to be able to like

1100
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: carry the whole dear plus like you've got extra gear,

1101
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 4: You've got extra clothes, you're carrying something to rattle with,

1102
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: you got like spotting scope, tripod. Still sometimes I'll just

1103
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: use Actually one of the things that I have kind

1104
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 4: of switched to is I'll do like I don't know

1105
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 4: if you use Vortech stuff, but they've got like that

1106
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 4: I called the baby razor, like the small spotterer. Yeah,

1107
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: And then I'll do like big binos, depend like depending

1108
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 4: on the country, because I might need to like verify something,

1109
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 4: but I try to keep like the pack light, so

1110
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: I might just even have like binos on my chest

1111
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 4: and then like a pair of eighteens or like eighteen

1112
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 4: power binoculars in my in my backpack so I can

1113
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 4: cover those open areas and still get like a good

1114
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: gauge on the bucks and the dyear round, and like

1115
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 4: kind of keep it a little bit lighter and faster.

1116
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: You said a little bit of gil that you're usually

1117
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: using a four season tenth, But do you ever do

1118
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: like the hot tent style like TPE and a little

1119
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: ultra light you know, titanium stove or anything like that

1120
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: for these late season hunts.

1121
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: Probably should, but I don't, like, I don't know, it's

1122
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 4: just like another thing. I don't know why. Uh, you

1123
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: know a lot of people have asked that, and I've

1124
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: like been on hunts with him, Like, yeah, these are great.

1125
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 4: I'm not opposed to it, you know, I've used them before.

1126
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 4: But honestly, like I just kind of like, I just

1127
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: like keeping it simple. I don't know, like I just

1128
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: it's just nice to have.

1129
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: Like I know.

1130
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: The other thing too, is like I've been in some

1131
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: like real harsh like you get a lot of harsh

1132
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 4: winds or snow and stuff, and I don't know, the

1133
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: hot tent thing just seems like a kind of an

1134
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 4: extra pain in the butt sometimes. I don't know that

1135
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 4: maybe it's just maybe one day I'll switch to it.

1136
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1137
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm like back and forth on that kind

1138
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 4: of stuff. But I just kind of you just go

1139
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: with what you've always done. I think in some ways,

1140
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 4: you know, so what's.

1141
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: So so that said that, what's one thing that it like,

1142
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: what's a weird thing that is worth taking? Like if

1143
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: if you like to stick with it what you usually

1144
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 2: do and you don't want to bring extra stuff. There's

1145
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: got to be one thing that most people don't think

1146
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: of that you always have to have with you on

1147
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: a hunt like this that either makes life a little easier,

1148
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more comfortable.

1149
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: Or just comes in hand. Yeah, what would that be.

1150
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: I always have a glassing pad, like something to sit on.

1151
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is huge because like like I said, I'm

1152
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: not great at sitting forever. And you get pretty cold too,

1153
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: because like you're you're moving, you're sweating, you're going up

1154
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 4: these mountains. That's the other factor of like it's hard

1155
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: to it's hard to sit. So I do I bring

1156
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 4: like something to sit on because there's often like there's

1157
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 4: very few times that have killed white tails where there's

1158
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: not snow on the ground, So there's often snow and

1159
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: then you know like that sitting and waiting and rattling

1160
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 4: and calling, like it's nice to sit on something. I

1161
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: also like puffer pants, and you know, like a real

1162
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: warm layer is key. And then like I said, the handwarmers,

1163
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 4: like I'll throw in toe warmers. My feet don't get hot,

1164
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 4: so some people are feed are always hot, but I'll

1165
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: throw those in late season. And then I always have

1166
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 4: like body warmer handwarmer things, and I use those as

1167
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: my sleeping bag too, like religiously, so I'll bring like

1168
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 4: enough where it's like I got two per day or something.

1169
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: I don't mind carrying the extra weight of those.

1170
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: So, so you mentioned puffer pants, What's what's the.

1171
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: We both wear? First light?

1172
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: Can you walk me through the basic kit that works

1173
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: best for you for this kind of hunt because it

1174
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: would seem kind of tricky because you've got very high exertion.

1175
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: For parts of these hunts and then a.

1176
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: Lot of sit and wait, what's what's ended up on

1177
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: you these trips.

1178
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So most of the time I'm wearing like more

1179
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: of a late season pant. That's it's just like like

1180
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 4: aligned threeh eight pant I've been using a lot lately,

1181
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 4: so I'll use that, and like I actually probably won't

1182
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: have thermals underneath because I like to be able to

1183
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: just dump the heat. Depends on how cold it is,

1184
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: Like if it's sub zero, I'll probably have thermals and

1185
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 4: those on in a walk and be fine. But I'll

1186
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 4: often have like the lined pant thermals so I can

1187
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: dump the heat. I'll have like the puffer pants from

1188
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: when I stop, and I generally keep those super accessible,

1189
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 4: but like.

1190
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: In a waterproof bag or something like that depends.

1191
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 4: And then I always have my rain gear as well

1192
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: as like an added element of protection and warmth. And

1193
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 4: then on my top I'm probably wearing like a wick

1194
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: or not, like a kiln hoodie. And then you know,

1195
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: it depends, like I've been using that unk foundry jack

1196
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 4: it a lot too, But like when I'm hiking, even

1197
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 4: if it's cold, I probably don't even have a jacket on.

1198
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you know, it depends like how cold

1199
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: it is. Sometimes I've got that and I've just got

1200
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 4: everything opened up. The key is don't sweat like I

1201
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 4: mean you will sweat, but like you want it to evaporate,

1202
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 4: like you don't get your stuff wet. And then I'll

1203
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 4: have I don't know, like a depends like either this

1204
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: right now like a brooks down or like a chamber,

1205
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 4: like a bigger down, or like there's what's the new

1206
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 4: on the white cloud?

1207
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you prob use.

1208
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 4: That one more because a little bit lighter and a

1209
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 4: little more warm their weight ratio. But yeah, and so

1210
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: it's like that's my I'm sitting down. I'm glass and

1211
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: I'm in camp. I'm sleeping in it. Whatever it is. Yeah,

1212
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: another little fun thing that I do. Take on those

1213
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: late season back country instans, those like slippers there's like down.

1214
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people say they like that.

1215
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll put I mean, I'll put toe warmers in

1216
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 4: and then put those in and in my like I've

1217
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: done last couple of years. I've probably camped thirty days

1218
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 4: and temperatures like zero to negative twenty.

1219
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: It's dude, it's freaking cold. Like you.

1220
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: Zip your you're like this much of your face is out,

1221
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 4: like everything's frozen around you. And you gotta remember to

1222
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: vent your tent because otherwise you just get like ice

1223
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: condensation in there.

1224
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: Like is it worth it? But yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

1225
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: Like that's why it's nice.

1226
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: Like if you can, you know, you like pull a

1227
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 4: trailer or you know, have like a base camp or

1228
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: even just like sleeping in your truck where you can

1229
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 4: have like more warm stuff.

1230
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: But honestly, like it's not that bad. Like you you

1231
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: kind of warm.

1232
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: Up in your tent and you find little tricks like

1233
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: all like boil water, put it in my water bottle,

1234
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 4: you know, throat my tent or my sleeping bag. The

1235
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: handwarmer trick is pretty solid. I don't know, like different stuff,

1236
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 4: you know, like sometimes like it's real cold, I'll use

1237
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 4: my stove, but I'll actually bring like a little carbon

1238
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 4: monoxide thing too, because I know people have had problems

1239
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 4: with that, so I'll have a little thing. I won't

1240
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: run it, but i'll like, you know, just to get

1241
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 4: the chill off a little bit, crack it in there

1242
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: and make sure it's spent it and then turn it off

1243
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 4: and set the canister outside.

1244
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1245
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sounds with the conditions that can

1246
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: be out there, it can sound obviously brutal. But at

1247
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: the same time, there's also a certain appeal to the

1248
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: whole thing, a little bit of that suffer fest type

1249
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: two fun can sometimes be special in its own way.

1250
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: So this whole thing is super intriguing to me, just

1251
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: taking something that I know I love. But sometimes you

1252
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 2: can fall into a rut, I think with whitetail hunting,

1253
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: sometimes it can become at least traditionally, how white tail

1254
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: hunting isn't what I do A lot of time is

1255
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: kind of the same old, same old that for a while,

1256
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: and I love it.

1257
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: I love it. But the idea of.

1258
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: Taking this loved thing in a a very familiar setting

1259
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: and tossing it into a very unfamiliar instead of circumstances

1260
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: is so appealing. To be able to have that adventure

1261
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: while also chasing the critter that you know fascinates you

1262
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: more than anything else. I mean, that's a super super

1263
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: interesting idea. So this is this is high on my

1264
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: to do list, maybe maybe even this year.

1265
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 3: So uh sweet, yeah, yeah, Well I think you'll love it.

1266
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 4: Like and I think guys that like hunt a lot

1267
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 4: of white tails, you just feel like it's probably the same, right,

1268
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 4: Like you can you could draw so many similarities. It's

1269
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 4: just like a very large scale. And then I also

1270
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 4: think like in a way you can get away with

1271
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 4: a little bit more in some in some aspects like

1272
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 4: with this, like you just have to know, like if

1273
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 4: you've got a smaller area that you cover, right like

1274
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: exponentially increase that. Not like you're gonna have to cover

1275
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 4: a lot of ground to kind of like make up

1276
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: for that that density kind of thing. But man, you

1277
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 4: can get in areas and like see a lot a

1278
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 4: deer and have like some phenomenal hunts and and you

1279
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: can honestly find some deer that are like great box

1280
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: like you know, for wherever you know there's like really

1281
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: good opportunity too.

1282
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds like, well, I know that.

1283
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: I know you've got a hard stop here, so I

1284
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: want to be respectful of your time. But but real quick, Remy,

1285
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: can you give folks listening a rundown of of where

1286
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: they can see some of your films and shows connect

1287
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: with you, get your content? Like where should they what

1288
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: should they be checking out?

1289
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: For sure, man, they you know at Remy Warren at

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Speaker 4: pretty much any social media R E M I W

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Speaker 4: A R R E N. And then I've got my

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Speaker 4: YouTube channel where you're released. You know, quite a few

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Speaker 4: videos now on that Remy Warren YouTube channel. And then

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Speaker 4: I've got my podcast Live Wild podcasts pretty much everywhere

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Speaker 4: podcasts are available.

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Speaker 3: So awesome.

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Speaker 2: Man, you're doing great stuff. You've been doing great stuff

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Speaker 2: for a long time and a lot of us have

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Speaker 2: have benefited from it. So thank you for all that,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for this been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it, man, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: It's always yeah, hopefully picking your brain about maybe Elkermeal

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Speaker 2: there next as I continue to expand the boundaries and

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Speaker 2: borders of of what we do here.

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Speaker 3: Perfect. Yeah, we'll keep me posted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you need any any uh pointers in the

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Speaker 4: right direction for the old backcountry white.

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Speaker 3: Tails, I definitely will take you up on that.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I'll be interested to hear you got to connect

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Speaker 4: with me afterwards, and I want to hear kind of

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Speaker 4: your recap of of what you thought and like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't be afraid to use some like crazy

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Speaker 4: tactics because you know, do a lot of calling. If

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Speaker 4: you think you're overcalling, just keep calling. You'll be fine,

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Speaker 4: Like you aren't going to scare them away.

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Speaker 2: I love like the sense of freedom that gives me

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Speaker 2: to just like be crazy on the horns and make

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Speaker 2: a lot of racket like that sounds a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I like.

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Speaker 4: Tell me about it, like make some noise, like it's

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Speaker 4: not what's going to happen, like just you probably aren't

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Speaker 4: going to spook them out, right, so you're either going

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Speaker 4: to call them in or not. New It's like it's

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Speaker 4: not like you're dedicated at one spot. So it's fun.

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Speaker 3: I think you'll enjoy it, all right, I'm in for it. Cool,

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Speaker 3: all right, and that's a wrap.

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoyed that one as much as

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Speaker 2: I did. I appreciate you being here with me. I

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Speaker 2: hope that these last couple podcasts have given you something

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Speaker 2: new to think about, something new, to put a pep

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Speaker 2: in your step this year and try something different. Whitetail

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Speaker 2: hunting is so rich and so diverse if we're willing

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Speaker 2: to step outside of the usual. There's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 2: the usual. I love going on hunting on the back

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Speaker 2: Ford it just as much as the next guy. But

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Speaker 2: sometimes you need to change a pace. Sometimes you need

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Speaker 2: to push yourself outside of your comfort zone. That's what

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Speaker 2: this series is all about, and that's what our podcast

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Speaker 2: today was all about, and I hope it's something you

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Speaker 2: will give some thought. So until next time, thank you

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Speaker 2: all for being here, and stay wired.

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Speaker 4: A hon