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Speaker 1: M mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Welcome back all the smoke man. This one

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Speaker 2: is a long time coming. All this kind of transpired

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Speaker 2: from sports first and foremost. Welcome to the show. Ryan

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Speaker 2: cooler Man, thank you for your time, bro having Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we go back a little deeper than wrap. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. You were you You went to

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Speaker 2: junior college with my little brother.

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Speaker 3: I was in It was in big boy college stage.

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Speaker 2: He went to college with my brother. And it was funny.

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Speaker 2: I hit him this morning because he was just at

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Speaker 2: the house yesterday, but he had to bounce shen't even many. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he's good. He's in DC doing some some some

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Speaker 2: business stuff there with his family. It's like, you got

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Speaker 2: these funny stories of Ryan and anything. I could just

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Speaker 2: pop on him and he's like, he's like, Bro, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you. He's like, Ryan was the dude

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Speaker 2: that set the bar. He said, if Ryan didn't have

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Speaker 2: the hand injury, you couldn't tell me that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going pro. And he's like, you were the one that

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Speaker 2: was always first in the weight room before practice, after practice.

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Speaker 2: You just did all the right shit. You were locked

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Speaker 2: into your books. He's like, Ryan didn't really start kicking

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Speaker 2: it till after college. Like Ryan during college was really

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Speaker 2: locked in. So it kind of makes sense now he's

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Speaker 2: like I've never seen he's like the most insane work

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Speaker 2: ethic I've ever seen. Because my brother talking about you.

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Speaker 2: So it's just like you've been able to transfer, you

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Speaker 2: know what. It sparked something in my mind because our

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Speaker 2: last conversation with Kobe, he just like, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: built for this business shit, Like we take our athlete

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Speaker 2: mentality and plug it into this world. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 2: a go. I think you're a perfect example of that.

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Speaker 3: Bro. I appreciate you. Giant man, Jason bron He was

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Speaker 3: such an incredible player man and a good dude. You

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I met you with your older brother.

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Speaker 2: That's how we met.

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Speaker 3: And I'm a big brother myself. I got two little brothers,

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Speaker 3: and just as a representative of you, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, he held that down for sure. And we

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Speaker 3: met at your house. Like I'll never forget, Bro.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know my brother James, Like you know

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Speaker 2: that's bro, Like he's been at the house.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is the thing. This was crazy

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Speaker 3: because I came in here I just sat down on

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Speaker 3: your college because I like furniture and I always have.

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Speaker 3: And I remember, I remember Jason used to used to

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Speaker 3: look out for your brother, Bro. He used to be

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And his locker was next to mine,

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Speaker 3: and I never wanted to be in his. I never

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Because we met, we met

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Speaker 3: that season because he was like he was like a

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Speaker 3: mill yard transfer, you know what I'm saying. He was

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Speaker 3: an incredible player, bro. You know, he had all he

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Speaker 3: had all of the intangibles to go with his size

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Speaker 3: and leave an ability, you know what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 3: people because because y'all from Sack, we have a lot

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Speaker 3: of sacked people around there. The celth which Man's big brother,

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Speaker 3: you for me out of the Yeah, I was just

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Speaker 3: Enjoy having somebody here I can up my game, you know,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't get that I could jump with say a

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Speaker 3: I'm saying I had to put him down to that.

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Speaker 3: So it was nice having somebody with that work, with

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Speaker 3: that leaping ability. I can come underneath you feel me.

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Speaker 3: So we got to know each other just from from

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm like, back, we get to your house.

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Speaker 3: Bread Earlier, I couldn't I couldn't believe what was what

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Speaker 3: We pull up and it's and it's a bobcat digging

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Speaker 3: I said, bro to y'all, like did the construction team

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Speaker 3: You had the barber the Barbara ad cheering there, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like, I'm like, I'm like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this goes, Bro. I'm looking around to

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Speaker 3: see what I'm gonna do when I get on, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I lay down, Bro, I never forget I lay down.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 3: Just when I get comfortable, I hear the door open

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Speaker 3: up and it's you. And I'm in there like Goldie locks.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, and like you know and

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Speaker 3: uh and you come in and you're looking and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: You're like, man, who is you? I'm like, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason for me? They outside hoop and he's like okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: and You're like, man, where you from brom chopping. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you about the front of the band everything, And

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Speaker 3: I remember, Bro, you were so you were so kind. Bro.

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Speaker 3: You know you need anything to eat? Man, know how

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Speaker 3: but we hooped all day. You came on and watched this.

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Speaker 3: Watch this hoop one of my finest memories, bro. You know,

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Speaker 3: like you don't get the she somebody who made it?

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what I'm saying. Who was cautial

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Speaker 3: to our age? You feel me like coming up, we'll

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, she Gary or you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But like and you you as you you look like us,

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Speaker 3: she was one of my She was one of my

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Speaker 3: finest movies. I can't thank you enough for that.

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Speaker 2: Now that's dope because I mean, obviously I remember as

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Speaker 2: my brothers tell me, then as you tell me. Now

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Speaker 2: you know, it becomes more clear. But it's just like

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Speaker 2: He does production and one day you guys need to work.

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Speaker 2: He's he was already trying to plug you on the

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Speaker 3: Who is it?

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Speaker 2: That's the home you met? It's like what And from

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Speaker 2: obviously we've seen the finished product. But what was what

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Speaker 3: Like for you? Such a good question, bro it was

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Speaker 3: It was difficult, man. Like It's funny, brou I had.

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Speaker 3: I had a homie who uh, who I played football with,

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Speaker 3: been like that, man, I had to. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it was like that for you. You was at UCLA.

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Speaker 3: It was a history of people going to the lead

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Speaker 3: I want to be a filmmaker. I want to go

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Speaker 3: to leave football alone and go you know, full time

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Speaker 3: I was when I didn't have nothing, no excuse, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, not to this age twenty one. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm twenty one. Let's change my life. One of the inergy.

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Speaker 3: It was like injury that was like a good thing

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Speaker 3: h but my mind was on that. It was on

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Speaker 3: that filmmaking. Bro, you know what I'm saying Like that,

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Speaker 3: like that, like that bug had hit and got accepted.

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Speaker 3: I think right after we play you see Davis, I

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Speaker 3: got the news and then decided I'm going and moved

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Speaker 3: to La and Bro, it was hard, man like being

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Speaker 3: away from the family, being away from my team, and

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing, which which you know, I'm so pleased

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Speaker 3: to see you and all the other athletes I admire navigate.

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Speaker 3: It was like the loss of my identity navigating that

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Speaker 3: because because people are asking me, who are you? What

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Speaker 3: you do it? I would always sound a football player

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Speaker 3: player that's gone. Now you know, I'm in LA and

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Speaker 3: I'm in film school, Like that doesn't translate. You know

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Speaker 3: play sports, bro, it's like that's also yeah, yeah, even

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Now what's gone? And it

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Speaker 3: left me feeling feeling pretty empty, Bro, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: cap like uh so, so I had to you know,

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Speaker 3: find a new way of making relationships and working on

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Speaker 2: of mine, I was like, you should do media you

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Speaker 3: kill me because you know, people getting good and cali wrong.

428
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,159
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I get us twisted all

429
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,959
Speaker 3: the time. And and a lot of that is is

430
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,640
Speaker 3: media produced. That that's that's that's being done by people

431
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,200
Speaker 3: who know who don't know it from there and you know,

432
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 3: gott to be from there. But but if you're not,

433
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 3: you do have to take the time to get to

434
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,080
Speaker 3: know you know, you know what I mean. It was

435
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,160
Speaker 3: a lesson in It was a lesson in like really

436
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 3: really doing the doing the research.

437
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 2: Inticity of it. Yeah, your partner in crime, Michael B. Yeah,

438
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 2: he's been by your side since the beginning. How did

439
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 2: you guys come together as friends and brothers and then

440
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 2: how did that chemistry translate into Yeah, I mean.

441
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 3: We met through the work. You know, I was looking

442
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 3: for an actor to Portrayosky Grant Russian. He was the

443
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 3: guy I thought you could do it. You know. Uh,

444
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: he kind of looked had the appearance, had that had

445
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: the at the age and tangibles. But then when I

446
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 3: met with him, I saw something special in the man,

447
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 3: like in mis a former athlete. You know, he grew

448
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 3: up as a child actor, but he also grew up

449
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 3: hooping and running track and been jumping he you know,

450
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 3: So he and I had that had that had that

451
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 3: athletic shorthand immediately, and I recognized him somebody who was

452
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: who is trying to push himself, pushed the medium, that

453
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 3: that healthy kind of ambition. You know what I'm saying,

454
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 3: That that you that you need petitive side. Yeah, bro,

455
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 3: it's necessary, you know what I'm saying. And he had

456
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 3: all those things. And then when we started to work together,

457
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 3: it was a great great chemistry there, bro like and

458
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,879
Speaker 3: in our business brought if I broke you know what

459
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you don't fix you.

460
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 2: I remember vividly when you invited me up to the

461
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: Disney lot, when you were working on Black Panther, and

462
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 2: we walked around and we just, you know, we keep

463
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,719
Speaker 2: it what we said we talked about, we can keep

464
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 2: to us. But just looking around, Bro, that was a

465
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: whole nother monster. Yeah, and you're young black man from

466
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 2: Oakland on Disney's campus, running from building the building, creating

467
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: one of the biggest movies ever. Like when you kind

468
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: of look back. Obviously, as athletes, we don't really look back.

469
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 3: Until we're trained to keep it going.

470
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I just know, I mean,

471
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: obviously with the success of that and as you continue

472
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: to grow each project in each film, take us back

473
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: through that time when you were making that in your

474
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: first time on that campus and moving from big room

475
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 2: to sound stage to this to that. You look at

476
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: this and I'm just like in awe. Like I'm a

477
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: former professional athlete, been around, everyone's seeing the world and

478
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm walking on Disney campus. But you just looking around

479
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: and we're both kind of in awe.

480
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a special time, bro, Like

481
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 3: you can't you can't really recreate at that time. It's interesting, bro,

482
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 3: because I was talking with I was talking with James

483
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: Shamuel and and Hole and they was talking about the

484
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: quality of magic being in the air at certain times,

485
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 3: you know, and you knowing all he was talking about

486
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: when he when he made a reasonable doubt and the

487
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: fact that Niles was making something like Ellmatic, what was doing,

488
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: what they was doing, Big was making Ready to Die.

489
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, it was it was in the air, That's

490
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: how it was. And Frankly and Los Angeles at that time,

491
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Jordan has has just made

492
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: Get Out. Ava was on campus, she was making Wrinkle,

493
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 3: but she was coming off and making making Selma and

494
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 3: launching that, launching a whole television show. And Dot was

495
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: doing his thing. But with Nip also, you know, you

496
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: got my victory lap dropped right around that time that

497
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 3: that came out. Crazy Rich Asians came right behind, right

498
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 3: behind our you know, our film. You know. It was

499
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 3: it was a time where it kind of felt like

500
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: anything was possible, you know. And yeah, I didn't I

501
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: didn't think much of the fact that we were doing

502
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: what we were doing. Man, I had that cash Man

503
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: with Chaldick and Mike and Lupete and Forrest and Daniel.

504
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It was, it was It

505
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 3: was a bunch of people who could, who could, who

506
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: could lead their own movie? That was that was that

507
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: we was kind of bursting at the scene. You know,

508
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, starting Ink, you know, starting

509
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: k Brown in two scenes that movie. You know, you

510
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying in lou with Luvig my composit

511
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 3: was doing with Childish Gambino. You know what I'm saying.

512
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: That was that was that was going crazy. It was

513
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: all and like I didn't have time to observe exactly

514
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: what was happening because I had so much work to do,

515
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: you know what. But but but it also was like

516
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 3: a feeling that I was bringing the homies to the

517
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: I was bringing because don't know when I'll imagine it

518
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: might not work and I might not get it again,

519
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: Like look at this, you know.

520
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that it was done.

521
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: No.

522
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, With that being said, in the outstanding cast and

523
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: the people you work with, what was your I mean,

524
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: you're fairly still fairly new at this point. Yeah, Like

525
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: what was your kind of mindset in leadership and how

526
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: did you kind of navigate and move pieces to make

527
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: such a special project.

528
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: I don't get that movie without doing Creed and Creed

529
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: had his own element of that, you know, like like

530
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: SEVESTERI Stallan, like who's a legend classic, Yeah, it was

531
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: a legend. And having to earn his respect and the

532
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: producers behind him, you know, Erwin Winkler and Robert Chardoff

533
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: Russian Piece. Uh, you know, these are people who are

534
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: making movies before all will before all was born. Right,

535
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: And I'm talking to Stallone about writing he wrote? He

536
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: wrote every word of every Rocky mogue?

537
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: Did he really?

538
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know that every word.

539
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: Really, no co writer.

540
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: Say he wrote them. He wrote them. That's how. That's

541
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: how he wrote. So so so for him that for

542
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: him to give me his blessing, you know what I'm saying.

543
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 3: And he the type of dude he's not He's not

544
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 3: giving me his blessing in public. I'm lets me at

545
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: his house when he's saying, all right, man, we're gonna

546
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna do this. You know. That was

547
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: his own kind of kind of kind of wait to

548
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: bear and having you know, coming off of that, you know,

549
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: I just got married and uh in sixteen and then

550
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: we was off to go to go to go make

551
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: this movie, bro, and it was it was it was hard.

552
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: I would oftentimes had these moments where people would would say, okay, man.

553
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: It was like it was like with what I had

554
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 3: was Salon with Kevin Fight he saying, all right, man,

555
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 3: we're making this. I would meet with Alan Horne, Alan Bergman,

556
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: who was who's over there at the time, and it

557
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: was often I would sit down with agre Bro, who

558
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: you know, a big, big boss. Yeah, like he ran everything,

559
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: like like like, uh, Marl was just like a part

560
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: of it was it was it was like it was

561
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: like a it was like a small line in his

562
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: whole portfolio, you know, you know what I'm saying. Like

563
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: he also ran ESPN and also ran ABC, you know,

564
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: and the meeting with him and him saying, and I

565
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: think y'all got something here. So it would be the checkpoints,

566
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: you know, and the biggest woman.

567
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: Just kind of validations along the way.

568
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: And the biggest woman's child with Childwood was convinced we

569
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: was making the next Star Wars. He would say this,

570
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he was like, man,

571
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 3: this thing is this is He'll say on set like man,

572
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: it's huge, man, this is big. It's you know, because

573
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: we had like, you know, aircrafts, and he was surprised

574
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: that You're like, man, you got the aircraft. Look at

575
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: this message we're doing. We're doing man, We're doing Star Wars,

576
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: you know, like like so I'm like, man, Chattie tripping,

577
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: but I hear I'm like, man, ship are we?

578
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: You know?

579
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And that confidence being spoken

580
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: into me was helpful and just like the reaction from

581
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: from from people like you know, Broad didn't have been there,

582
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't been a championship basketball game and

583
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: watch you played roll you feel me and then you

584
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: for you to come up there and sit around. I'm

585
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: proud of you. This big like I'm hearing it. I'm

586
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: all right, I could keep I could keep going. It

587
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: helps you, helps you kind of run, you know what

588
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: I'm saying, to until you get to the to the

589
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: end zone. You know, you know what I'm saying. But

590
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 3: that time was a special time. We didn't know how

591
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: good we had it bro to be honest, we didn't

592
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: know how good I could have. You know, hit Kendrick

593
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: up and he already boom and top. All right, we're

594
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: doing the whole album, you know, you know, I mean,

595
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: like crazy bright hit not for a song. I'm like,

596
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: maybe maybe he'll do a song. He just dropped down.

597
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: I know you're tired on tour. Man, we got a

598
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: whole album for you. Come pull up complition like it was.

599
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: It was just a different time.

600
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: But that speaks to your character. People are willing to

601
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: go out of their way or just really lend. I mean,

602
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: I think it spoke to your character early when you said,

603
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: like when I told the homies it happened like they

604
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: celebrated like we want. I think it speaks to the

605
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: person and the man you are. What was that like

606
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: with Kendrick Obviously he's still front page news for other reasons. Yeah,

607
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: someone like him to be, someone like him to be

608
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: able to be like fuck the song, Yeah, take this whole.

609
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was. It was incredible. Man.

610
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: And you get used to as as a as a filmmaker.

611
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: You know, we we we music industry adjacent, you know.

612
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like there's crossover there, but

613
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: it's it's completely different things. And you know, sometimes the

614
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: relationship can be symbiotic, you know what I'm saying. Every

615
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: once in a while you get the uh the Bodyguard

616
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: album or you know what I'm saying, like or you

617
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: get you know, where you can, yeah Friday or Above

618
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: the Rim or you know, every once in a while

619
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: you get that kind of synergy where where it doesn't

620
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: feel fake.

621
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it both makes sense.

622
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense, you know what I'm saying. But

623
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: for me Bro like like like I'm looking for like

624
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: a song generally, you know what I'm saying, Like something

625
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: for that, you know, something for the for the end credits,

626
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: that that we can you know what i mean, you know,

627
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: if the artists can have that moment. You know, I'm

628
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: always thinking about James Bond, you know. You know what

629
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like where you know it's gonna be a

630
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: super impactful song. But the Pie in the Sky for

631
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: for me and Louvie always was ever since we first

632
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: started working as it always was like a full blown album,

633
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like we've been trying to

634
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: do that since Freuveville. The idea of being able to

635
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: do that with td E Bro and for and for

636
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: Doc at that point to shape I want to do.

637
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: I want to you know, executive produce a whole album.

638
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: You know, That's what that was his appetite at the time,

639
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. He was once again that

640
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: ambition you know, you know what I mean and him

641
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: and him seeing some of the footage, you're saying, yeah,

642
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: this is it. I can I can bring my full

643
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: self to this. You know. It was amazing, bro, But

644
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: it had some complicated conversations because it was a Disney movie.

645
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 3: Still you feel I.

646
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: Had to go to walk that line.

647
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: But I had to go up in the offices, bro

648
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: and explain you know what I'm saying, like while like

649
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: like you know, while certain languages being.

650
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: But that's important. It's important because they don't have it.

651
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not their specialty. No, it's not being

652
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: able to you know frids, those gaps. I mean to

653
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 2: this day, nine times platinum that I went not platin

654
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: nine times and one of his largest streaming songs ever

655
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: two billion streams with the all stars, all the stars,

656
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: excuse me, all the stars.

657
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll never forget the first time the demo

658
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: that like how big and Shindy none of us do

659
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 3: things in the vacuum.

660
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: Bro.

661
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like and and and you

662
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: know I believe in that like now when error like

663
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying like like like you know,

664
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm listening to music. Bro, my wife to Shaid, I

665
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: can tell you what I can tell you where I

666
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: was when you pick the artist. I can tell you

667
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: where I was when the album drop, when and how

668
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: I used it? You know, you know what I'm saying.

669
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: Four I am. I don't feel like getting up off

670
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: the bell with my wife. You feel me like I

671
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: get the shot at six I am? And what song

672
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: am I putting on? You know what I mean? They

673
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: get me to get me, to get me pumped up

674
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: and get me going. Man, you don't want championship working

675
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: on to it when you want to?

676
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know your hand absolutely Park now, Yeah, you

677
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's just absolutely. I mean there's

678
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: always songs and energy that puts you right in the position.

679
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be able to acknowledge the synergy and put

680
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 3: it together for the audience. You know what I'm saying here,

681
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: he got a movie coming up. Hear that soundtrack before.

682
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: It's just the prime for what were on before you

683
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: go to the theater. I mean, it's it's It was

684
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: an incredible gift.

685
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: Bro, tell us, tell us a little bit more about

686
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: the genius of your composer.

687
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Love with he is that, but more than anything. He's

688
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: my friend, bro, you know what I'm saying. We met

689
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: right at that time when I was I have to

690
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: leave football behind come find a new filmmaking family. He

691
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 3: was one of the first people that I met at

692
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: in film school. He had just moved from Sweden. Funny enough,

693
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: he was living in It was a It was a

694
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: fraternity on frat row that they had been kicked off

695
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: campus for selas the bullshit and doing something crazy. You

696
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. If you know she history brother fresh,

697
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: they do all types of shit, you know what I'm saying.

698
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: It was, bro. It was one year a cat got

699
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: called on the roof doing some wild ship was at school.

700
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: But the fact I kicked off off cambus and they

701
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: and they opened up the fry house to students, specifically

702
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: graduate students for that can rent cheap houses. And one

703
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: of my film uh uh school homies was in the class.

704
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was was living there and

705
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: I went over to go to go to go visit

706
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: his place. And Louvig was another guy that was living

707
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: there with another composer student. That's how we met. And

708
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: I didn't he didn't have none of his music there.

709
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: And then I just met him as a guy, you know,

710
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: and and and we were talking and and I discovered

711
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: how how incredible he was, you know, letter on and

712
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: he started scoring my projects, my projects. But the thing

713
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: about him, Bro, he went pro first, like before anybody

714
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: like we looked up. He had graduated and he had

715
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: a job, bro where he was assistant a composer on

716
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: a television show. He got his he got his green card, Bro,

717
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: and he was cracking like he was the first one

718
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: to buy a house. He was, he was, he was

719
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: on it because he was that good, you know. And

720
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: then he got he was assisting his composer who was

721
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: working for the Russo brothers Bron. This is before they

722
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: did the Marvel thing. They was doing. It was doing

723
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: television shows. And then they got a show about a

724
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: community college called Community. And they went to Louvig's boss

725
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: and he was too busy because he was he was

726
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: working with Ben Steel doing Tropic Thunder and all that.

727
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: And he said, hey, man, hire my assistant. You know,

728
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: he's incredible to hire him, saying Louvic got his got

729
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: his first show, which is Community, right, So look who's

730
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: in Community, Donald Glover. He's one of he's one of

731
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: the one of the actors in the show. Donald Glover

732
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: meets Louvig tells Louvig, he, bro, I'm a I'm a

733
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm a musician too, you know what I'm saying, Like,

734
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Speaker 3: you know, you make music. They formed Charlage gambin On.

735
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Speaker 3: Really yeah, they formed Chlarge gambin On. You know what

736
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Movie, making it, making it, making beach, Donald

737
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: rapping on him. Donald links up with another cat named

738
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Speaker 3: fam My Nigeria Homye from South Central you know, you know,

739
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: Fan becomes Donalds, becomes Donald's manager. You know, the whole

740
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: thing blows up, you know, essentially, Like like while right

741
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: around the time that I'm getting ready to make Proveville,

742
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: He's composing television shows, does does it? Does hiss? You know,

743
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: as far as major feature film with me on his

744
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: on his own with Fruville and in Charlege game, you know,

745
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: blows up, you know what I'm saying. So he becomes

746
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: his producer too. Like all at the same time, there's

747
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: not many people like that, dude, bro when it comes

748
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: to when it comes to music.

749
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: From organic regular ship, that's.

750
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, he asked, that's who he is. As

751
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: a person man, like a real uh incredible individual.

752
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: Bro. What did you learn most and what did you

753
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: enjoy most about Chadwick?

754
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I mean look, I learned most most from Childwick,

755
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: bro patience. I talked about this a lot, man, But

756
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: he was he he was a person who moved at

757
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: his own pace. You know. He was from the South, Uh,

758
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: he was. He was. He was quite older than me

759
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: and Mike, you know, so when we worked with him,

760
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: he had he had not an advanced maturity to him.

761
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: He was also dealing with with with life or death

762
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: circumstances that we did not know, you know what I'm saying,

763
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 3: So it was heightened. But he changed my life, bro,

764
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: like like like like you know, he was the most

765
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: He was a meditator and then a martial artist, you know,

766
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: and and he was he was extremely in control of

767
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: his ability to focus. You know what I'm saying. When

768
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: you were with him, he wouldn't the type of dude

769
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: to be checking his phone and and to be distracted.

770
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: You know. He was the single most focused person I

771
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: ever met, you know what I'm saying. Like like it

772
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: was looking back on it, it was incredible and it's something

773
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: I aspired to Bro, to be honest, like to be

774
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: able to be that present with people. You know, you

775
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He would take deep breaths if

776
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: you gave him some information, you could I could see him.

777
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: I could see him locking in like like you know

778
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: what I know, you know what I mean? And again

779
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: like a serious, serious martial artist, like he was a

780
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: hooper coming up the athletic mindset. Bro. You know you

781
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like you know you know that

782
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: you know that game? Bro? Like like it's a clip, Bro,

783
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: The closest thing I seen in Chad, Bro, Like this,

784
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: this is gonna crack you up. The closest thing I've

785
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: seen in Chad is a clip of Cam Newton, Bro,

786
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: Like you know, he got his, he got his, he

787
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: got his whole thing on online, his networking, and and

788
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: it's a clip going around and him breaking down a

789
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: play call, and and and and you see him listening

790
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: in on another play call, Bro. And you see for

791
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: a split second like he's listening to the play call,

792
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: and he and you seem change, like he becomes unblinking

793
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: you know you know what I'm saying. While he's listening

794
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: to all the plays and he snaps out of Okay,

795
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: So what this is is that like that was chat

796
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: at all times, Bro, like he at all times he

797
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: was he had that he had that focus of like

798
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: a quarterback getting a play call in like the fourth quarter.

799
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I'm saying. It didn't matter

800
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: who it was. Bro. I got seen him with children, Bro,

801
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: when he was doing charity we're doing charity events. The

802
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: kid will come up to him like, mister bas can't

803
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: get your autograph, you know what I'm saying, And you'll

804
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: see that same level of focus he had that ship

805
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: for everybody, you know what I'm saying. To see a

806
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: guy who was close to our age, who was able,

807
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: who was able to manipulate that you know. You know

808
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: what I mean was that was the biggest thing I

809
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: took from.

810
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: Him, Broe. Deep rest in peace man for sure. Centers different,

811
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah different. I didn't know what to expect, you know

812
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: what I mean. When we got we got a chance

813
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: to see it a couple of weeks ago, we couldn't

814
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: stop talking the whole way home. I mean, we're where

815
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: did that the idea of centers come from? Obviously out

816
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: April eighteenth. Yeah, make sure you check it out. Robert Johnson.

817
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: We did a little studying on him. We dug in

818
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: on that there's some urban legend in him. Yeah, but

819
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: talk to me about the thought processing and you're putting

820
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: that project together.

821
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: It came from from from a lot of different angles, man,

822
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: but the most focused angle level was my relationship with

823
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: my uncle James, uncle James Edmonston. So like, so like, bro,

824
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 3: where I came up. You know I'm from. I'm from

825
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 3: essentially two places in the Bay, which is like it's

826
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: like sacrilegious to say where we're from, but it's my reality,

827
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, my whole family's from Oakland,

828
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 3: and I was born and raised there up up until

829
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: I was about once my wife forget me, and my

830
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: wife is here, but I think I was either ten

831
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: or eleven years old. But in the nineties Oakland was

832
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: getting expensive and they couldn't afford to buy a house

833
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: that was from So right around time I was ten

834
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: or eleven, they bought a house in a city car Richmond,

835
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: which which is you know, give or take ten ten

836
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes from North Aukland. I was where I was

837
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: living at before, and they and they bought the house

838
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: and they we basically had been there since. You know,

839
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: some my little brothers barely remember Oakland, you know what

840
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying, But for me, it was home, and it

841
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: actually kind of saved me, bro when the funks kicked up,

842
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: when the beefs kicked up, Like my Ouaklean hummies knew

843
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: knew me as having moved to Richmond, and then my

844
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: Richmond homies to this day they considered me from Oakland,

845
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you know what I'm saying.

846
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: So it kind of saved me from a lot of

847
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, from a lot of from a lot of

848
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: how bad it got, but a lot of my formative years,

849
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: like my like I would say, my humility, you know

850
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I learned from Richmond. You know what

851
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Oaklands many things that ain't a humble place,

852
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm saying, Like, uh, but

853
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: Richmond is you know, you know what I mean. It's

854
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: a little it's a little like a slightly slower lifestyle,

855
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: but it's also like it's also like arguably more dangerous,

856
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: you know what i mean. Like and my uncle after

857
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: we moved to Richmond, my uncle bought a house like

858
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: like maybe a ten minute walk in Richmond from from

859
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: where he was from. So that was my only other family.

860
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: I was in Richmond, So I used to be out there.

861
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: My parents was cool with me walking to his house.

862
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: And that was when I got old enough to have

863
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: a little bit of independence for me. Like I would

864
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: walk and walk down there to his house to sit

865
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: up under him, you know, just to get off from

866
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: under the under the house and in his thing when

867
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: he was off work, you know. And he was a

868
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: World War two ved and he worked in the steel

869
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: meal and all type of you know, but you know

870
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: he had he had a more chill job in that era.

871
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: And when he got off work, he liked to uh

872
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: either watch or listen to on the radio the San

873
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: Franscot Giants. He would spend blues records on vinyl, and

874
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: he would drink all Taylor whiskey, you know what I'm saying,

875
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: And if the wishy was cold enough and the song

876
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: was good enough, I might get a story about Mississippi,

877
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And each one of them

878
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: stories was crazy, Like like I thought that my uncle

879
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: was g you know what I mean, from the from

880
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: these stories and like like he had to he had

881
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: to he came to California on the run, you know,

882
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because he had got into

883
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: it with his with his white boss or something, you know,

884
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and had to had to

885
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: flee in the middle of the night. And that was

886
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: kind of like my introduction to blues music. I didn't

887
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: think of it as my own. I thought I was

888
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: just my belonging to something that belonged to my uncle,

889
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And you know, fast forward

890
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: to me getting a football scholarship and then deciding to

891
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: go to film school. You know, these decisions, they took

892
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: me away from my family, you know what I'm saying.

893
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: You know how it is.

894
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: But you're missing a lot of things.

895
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: You know, you're on the road. You miss your birthday,

896
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: you miss a wedding, you know, you know, you missing funerals, right,

897
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I was in La working

898
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: on Creed especially all the twenty fifteen is with my

899
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: uncle's health took a time for the worst when he

900
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: got diagnosed with turning of cancer and and I'm in

901
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: Philly away from him, and I'm in La finished up

902
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: the movie. When I get to the call that he died,

903
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And man, bro, it brought

904
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 3: me down because I felt guilty, you know what I'm saying,

905
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: Like like it's like, man, what is this what is

906
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: this job?

907
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Bro?

908
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: That's that I'm you know, I'm fucking around with an

909
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: editing software in a computer.

910
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: Bro.

911
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: My uncle is don I'm not even able to be

912
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: there with him, you know what I'm saying, And that

913
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: guilt associated with that, Bro, I missed so much from

914
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: that house, bro, Like like basically everybody from that house

915
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: passed away. Man. Like the only Ogre's left is my

916
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: is my auntie, Auntie Wendy, you know. And I missed.

917
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: I missed all all of the last moments with the

918
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: people because I was because I was pursuing my dream,

919
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Right, And I would find

920
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: myself playing all blues records when I thought about my mom,

921
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: and I was listening to him in a different ear

922
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: like now that he was gone. Like I'm studying the

923
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: music and getting into it heavy and and sometimes I'm

924
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: listening to it in the dark, and I feel like

925
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: he right there, he right there listening with me, telling

926
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: me about the records and you know you got a game, bro.

927
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: We talked about Nick twenty twenty one. I'm listening to

928
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: a lot of Dolf, you know, he gets murdered, and

929
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm in the South working on at the two. I'm

930
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: seeing cotton farms for the first time in my life

931
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: because I'm in Byron, Georgia. You know what I'm saying, uh,

932
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking about this thing that happens to us

933
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: as gangster rap fans, that we sadly become a cousom

934
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: to of an artist being monumental and influencing our lives

935
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: and rapping about navigating the same things he navigating, and

936
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: they succumb to it right like like you said, you

937
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: got Park right here on your hand up there. Before

938
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: Park got married, it was a dude named Seagram from

939
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: from the six nine Ville in Oakland. Who's Who's who

940
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 3: was like the first gangster rapper. You know, Hammry was gangster,

941
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: but he wasn't making gangster rap, right, you know what

942
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But Segrim was making that you feel me

943
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: like you put you put Seagram on And he got

944
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: signed with Jay Prince to rap a lot and he

945
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: got married, you know, basically right when he was getting

946
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: on and then you and then he got part you know,

947
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: and then you got mac dre, you got Johnny Cash,

948
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, you got the Jacker, you got countless young dudes.

949
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: You know you know what I mean. Rest and peace,

950
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: Kenny Cherry, can he clutch the hood? Reci peace? Tightway

951
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: from the ridge? You know what I'm saying. This is

952
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: constant like this, this flood of bodies. You know what

953
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying, that's lost and with Nip and doff. It

954
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: hurts so much because it was my age and I

955
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: thought that they made it out, you know what I'm saying,

956
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: Like I thought that beat, you know, twenty five, twenty seven,

957
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: you know, they rapping luxury rap now about their businesses

958
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: and their kids and then boom boom. You know what

959
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Back to back. It put me in a

960
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: mode of of of studying the musician, you know what

961
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying, And and and the type of music that

962
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: was coming out that my uncle listened to. You know,

963
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: I interrogated it, you know what I'm saying. And that

964
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: was really where you know, where the idea came from

965
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: for the movie. It was all of those things and

966
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: coming off of spending so much time making you know,

967
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: two comic book movies in a boxing movie, and you know,

968
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to make something original. You know. I was

969
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: really from my soul, you know, and about what I'm

970
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: interested in before it was too late.

971
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: That's interesting because hearing you break it down, you can

972
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: feel it.

973
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the movie one hundred definitely in Louvig Bro his father,

974
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: you know, he from Sweden. Bro His father went to

975
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: name him Albert for Albert King. His father was that

976
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: heavy of adulta blues fan, you know what. You know

977
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And when I researched the music and

978
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I really got into like, well, my

979
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: uncle loved it so much, you know what I'm saying.

980
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: I realized that this was this was maybe our country's

981
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: greatest contribution to the arts. You know what I'm saying.

982
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: Delta blues music. This music became it became rock and roll,

983
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: it became R and B.

984
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: It became him a different genre.

985
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: It became you know everything that's that's that's cool now

986
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: and has been cool for the last you know, sixty years.

987
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: You know, it started right here with these with these people.

988
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I mean that concept I

989
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 3: said this is a massive concept. I gotta shoot this

990
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: on the big cameras. I gotta bring all my homies

991
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: that that that that really are really good at this

992
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: filmmaking thing. I got to bring him to the South

993
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: so we could we could spend six month making this,

994
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And that's what we did.

995
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: Where did the vampire twists come from?

996
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: I love horror movies. People didn't know that about me,

997
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I was actually it was

998
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: actually like it was actually your point of shy is

999
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: man when I realized, like I've been making movies over

1000
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: ten years and people still don't really know.

1001
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Me, you know what I'm saying. But that's your fault

1002
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: not to cut you off. You don't like you don't

1003
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: like this. This is not your thing. I mean before

1004
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: it wasn't like you don't like that. You like you

1005
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: like being behind the.

1006
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 3: Scene like year, like God, God bless you, bro. I

1007
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: can feel right right right right.

1008
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: That's one thing I always expect, Like you never because

1009
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: this is the first like I've been asking you ship

1010
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: since I started this ship to sit down, you know

1011
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: what I mean. And that's just and you're like, it's

1012
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: not not right, it's not really It's never really been

1013
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: your thing. And I like that you are giving the

1014
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: world an opportunity to see this, you know what I mean,

1015
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: because I got a chance to, you know, get a

1016
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: little snapshot of it. And like your mind is like

1017
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: the way you think and the way you carry yourself

1018
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: is dope. And I'm glad you're opening up to people.

1019
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1020
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this project, this project is definitely worthy

1021
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: of you, Bro, from my standpoint, like you know, and

1022
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: it needs the context, you know what I'm saying. Like

1023
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: without without the context, I think it still works, you know,

1024
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But but I think the

1025
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: context can deepen it, you know what I mean. I'm thankful, Bro.

1026
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: It's you know, look, Bro, I'm a in Frouville. You know,

1027
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: I was twenty twenty five, twenty six something like that,

1028
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: and Bro was being thrown right through me on Pierce Morgan, Bron.

1029
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm twenty you know

1030
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. I had my media training, Bro, I'm fresh.

1031
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm fresh at the film school.

1032
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: But straight from us, straight from the Bay.

1033
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on seeing it. He asked me about gun violence.

1034
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying in America, you feel me,

1035
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: and there was no all the smoke yeah me for

1036
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: me to come shit down. And you know what I'm

1037
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: saying with somebody who really uh understands me. You know

1038
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I understand understands my situation when I'm

1039
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: navigating right, you know, somebody who understands part more than

1040
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: just just the songs he made. You know I'm talking

1041
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 3: about like understand when I say Oakland or Richmond, brom

1042
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: not you know that. You know I'm not talking about Virginia.

1043
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, no, disrespected to Richmond, Virginia.

1044
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like like salute to them,

1045
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: but it means something. I I have media outleased like this.

1046
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: You know who get it? You know? Following that, yeah,

1047
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: you know you know what I'm saying.

1048
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Definitely proud ourselves on that talked to us about was

1049
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: it stacking.

1050
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: Smoke your smoking stack? Yeah?

1051
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: You was able to to clone Michael b What was

1052
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: that ship? Was that first? Because I was in that

1053
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I was in that bitch high I'm.

1054
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: Like, yeah you check, yeah my own So what did

1055
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: I loved the idea because again, I'm a dad of

1056
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: twins similarities but also huge differences.

1057
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: So talk to me about identical identical twins.

1058
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's beautiful, bro. Yeah, Auntie Maryland and Auntie Curlying,

1059
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: that's my aunties, my mom's older sisters. And they was

1060
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: notorious and our neighborhood, you know, identical twins, identical twins

1061
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: with the ship and they whipped ash like so so

1062
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: so it was it was you know, it was, it

1063
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: was you know, I came up under them. So I

1064
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: was born into a world that had identical twins. And

1065
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. My mom's sisters, one of

1066
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: them was my godmother, you know what I mean. And

1067
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: to this day, that house she came to visit. So

1068
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: the yellow houses where my Auntie Maryland live right next

1069
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: door to the Blue house. When my Auntie Curly leaves,

1070
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: they live side by side, Bro, and they're seven years old,

1071
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: best friends and worst enemies. Yeah, at the same time.

1072
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: Nobody will talk more ship about the other one than

1073
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: the No one else can say nothing, Bro. My wife, Bro,

1074
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: my wife's first one of her first meetings with them,

1075
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: like we was in high school and they drove her

1076
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: to uh, they picked her up from my high school

1077
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: graduation because we got back together right before we finished

1078
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: up high school, right and man, she got off the

1079
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: off the car b her ay as big as fifty

1080
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: cent pieces. Like, Bro, these two women hate each other,

1081
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because because they argue the

1082
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: whole the whole way, but they can't be with all

1083
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: each other, you know, you know what I'm saying. So

1084
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: I was born into knowing that dynamic. And I've always been,

1085
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: always been sensitative to to to twins. Man, I always

1086
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: loved them. But the crazy part about me is I

1087
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: also have a phobia of doppelgangers, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1088
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: like you actually call it a little bit of it.

1089
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: Because I walked in here today and one of your

1090
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: one of your one of your crew.

1091
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 2: Members was was in that room to different space first.

1092
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: And and I introduced myself to her. And I came

1093
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: in this room and she introduced herself to me again.

1094
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: So I was like, I was like, man, stop everything, Bro,

1095
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: did I did I? Did I just meet you just

1096
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: now or did I not? You know what I'm saying.

1097
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: And she was like, oh yeah, I was me and

1098
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: I was in the room I'm like, all right, cool,

1099
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: you know because my because my worst nightmare is is experience.

1100
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: And you know what I'm saying, that doppel ganger so

1101
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: so so just I got that on like like comomy

1102
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: with them myself and me so so me putting twins

1103
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: into the movie was a part of that. You know,

1104
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: you know, every neighborhood I come up in, they got

1105
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: a set of twins. Everybody knows, you know. And I

1106
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: wanted to play on a lot of like the mythology

1107
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: you know, you know, what it means to be African American.

1108
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: It's also when I was doing my research on the

1109
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: subject matter West Africans, like you know, our our lineage

1110
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: as African Americans has an interesting relationship with the concept

1111
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: of twins. It's a europe but deity to Europe with

1112
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: deities that are that are that are identical twins, and

1113
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: you know, we over indexing the birth of fraternal twins,

1114
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: you know. So it's it's it's it's a real uh

1115
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: uh thing, you know what I mean. And I wanted

1116
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: to I want to put in there.

1117
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: That was what do you hope people take from this project? Then?

1118
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: Number one, bro, all people just have a good time

1119
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: at the movies like I hope people go. I hope

1120
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: people go with their friends and their families, man, take dates,

1121
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean, Like like I

1122
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: want for me, I want to bring back that that

1123
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: cinematic experience, man like, like for everybody, that feeling of

1124
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, talking to the screen and yelling and don't

1125
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: do it, Yeah, go outside exactly exactly, We're not back,

1126
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean. And a lot

1127
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: of movies that that that do that. Man. I think

1128
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 3: I think Jordan's there's a phenomenal job of that, you know,

1129
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: each time you put something together. But it was for me,

1130
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: it was it was it was about making a movie

1131
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: that can be experienced with the big audience. And at

1132
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: the heart of it, you know, like I said, Bro,

1133
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: it's about these people you know who are us? Man?

1134
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: They us just just just in the thirties, you know,

1135
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 3: and and and then them you know, through the act

1136
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: of them affirming that humanity at a time and when

1137
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: when society wasn't trying to let them do that, they

1138
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 3: created this incredible art form and it's culture around you,

1139
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Anytime you go into a

1140
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: night club today, still that that's the core. You know

1141
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: that started here.

1142
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: That's the core.

1143
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: You know I started there.

1144
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying real quick, I want to

1145
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: backput it real quick because you too. So that was

1146
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: your auntie's house you took me to. Yeah, so there's

1147
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: a big tie to the Black Panthers. Free lunch at

1148
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 2: the school was right across the street.

1149
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shanta Fe Elementary. You first stop sign the first

1150
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: stop signing to.

1151
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: Briefly briefly running through like what what you showed me that? Yeah?

1152
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: So where I'm from and where my family is from.

1153
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Man and my uh my granddaddy who was born in

1154
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 3: Mississippi and moved to Auckland. You know where he built

1155
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: the second story of my family's house. It is in

1156
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: it's in the Herd North Talk and I'm gonna give

1157
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: you the exact crosstreets my family. Yeah there, but but

1158
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: it's in the fifties and around Market and on fifty

1159
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: fifth in Market, there was an intersection, uh, in the

1160
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: in the in the late sixties where a lot of

1161
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: a lot of young black children were being hit by

1162
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: cars because the traffic situation wasn't set up right and

1163
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: they were going to the city to try to get

1164
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: them to fix it because there was so many accidents

1165
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: in the city. Didn't care, you know, because it was black,

1166
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: it was black kids. I was that was across the

1167
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: street getting hit. And one of the first major moves

1168
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: that the the Finch Minister and UH uh Hu p

1169
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: Newton and UH and Chairman Bobby Shield did as found

1170
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: the members of the Black Party was they they made

1171
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: their own stop sign and they put it up right

1172
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: there on fifty fifth and Market. To stop sign still stands.

1173
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: There's traffic right there as well now. But that my

1174
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: family is from that block. My uncle h Buzz, you know,

1175
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: was one of the original Panthers and folks a lot

1176
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: of folks don't know that that that western North Oakland

1177
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: was kind of like where they you know, the original

1178
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 3: the original stomping grounds in the school that my whole

1179
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: family went to. Uh that's essentially you know, across the

1180
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: street from that from that called Santa Fe Middle School,

1181
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: and I was where you know, you know, we're one

1182
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: of the first free lunch programs was carried out for

1183
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: children in the community. You know, that's I grew up in.

1184
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you showing me that was there was

1185
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: some history Uh.

1186
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: It's heavy over there.

1187
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: I enjoy.

1188
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah you can still you can still Finery, Yeah you

1189
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: still you can still Philly.

1190
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Man, it's definitely a live Yeah. The depth you go

1191
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: for each film and and how you embrace yourself, whether

1192
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: it's a community or whatever the situation. The topic is

1193
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: football is natural to you. Will we ever see a

1194
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: football film?

1195
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: Man, God willing bro Absolutely, we need something, absolutely bro

1196
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 3: Like like you know, the time ain't got to be right,

1197
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 3: but yeah, not like the first script I ever put

1198
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: the paper was that.

1199
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let me be like an assistant coach or something.

1200
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: Man, if you're with it, I'm with it. Man. I

1201
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: love the link like like it's it's you know, like

1202
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: football is so so cinematic, but it's also such a

1203
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: regional sport, you know what I'm saying, Like like I

1204
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: used to always be jealous of Who because like, you know,

1205
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 3: you got the Olympics, you know, you know what I'm saying,

1206
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: like worldwide spork it the spork and travel, man, football

1207
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 3: takes so much equipment and coordination and you know, you

1208
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: know it's it's it's it's just starting to travel a

1209
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: little bit. But but you know, I don't know if

1210
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: it'll ever be like like soccer or who you know,

1211
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: it's more like hockey that way, you know. So, but

1212
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: you have a lot it. I love to make a

1213
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: a football movie. Man tart my hand at.

1214
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: It before we get you added, what do you judge?

1215
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: What do you base success on it? As far as

1216
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: your project.

1217
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: Film is an art form and it's a business. You know,

1218
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: it's both things at once. Uh. And unfortunately, you know,

1219
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: you know, we live in a in a in a

1220
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: capitalist system, you know what I'm saying, globally, you know,

1221
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: and the business drives you for film, having success in

1222
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: that category will will be the most direct dictator of

1223
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: whether or not you get to do another one, you know.

1224
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: So so obviously you know. And then and those metrics

1225
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: are very clearly defined, you know what I'm saying. Uh,

1226
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: you know so, so there's that aspect of you. Uh.

1227
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: It's also an art form, you know, and I believe

1228
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: it's a language, you know, and I like, like many languages,

1229
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 3: you can be conversational any you know what I'm saying.

1230
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: Like you meet people who say, yah, I'm I'm conversational

1231
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: in Spanish, you know, you know what I'm saying, They

1232
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: might not be able to speak with themselves. But that

1233
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: can maybe uh speak a little bit and that can

1234
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: that can then you meet other people can say I

1235
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: can understand it, I can't speak it.

1236
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1237
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 3: That that's the global population. The global population can understand

1238
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: cinematic language, you know what I'm saying. They might not

1239
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 3: be able to speak it, but they can. They can

1240
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: watch a video or watch a movie and take it there,

1241
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: take it in and feel the emotions when it's done.

1242
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: Will uh I'm I can say myself fluent in it

1243
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: like I can. I can speak it, I understand it,

1244
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: I can write it, you know what I mean? And

1245
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: the judge for me is, can I make a movie

1246
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: that entertains people, but they also feel the emotions that

1247
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: I'm feeling while I made it? You know what I'm saying.

1248
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: If I was sad when I was when I was

1249
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: writing writing something about characters, if they watch this in

1250
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: their eyes choke up, you know, their eyes tear up.

1251
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they say, they get a lump in, they

1252
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 3: throat all right, man, That's that's that's success. If if

1253
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: I tell a story and after the film roll you know,

1254
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you know, rolls, and they walk out,

1255
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 3: are they still thinking about it. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1256
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: do they find themselves wanting to maybe find a song

1257
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: that they heard or find or deeper into subject matter

1258
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: and that's that's a form of success. But then the

1259
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: pinnacle brot Like, in my opinion, the pinnacle is if

1260
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm gone from here, it's still with it,

1261
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 3: They're still like that that shit, I'll never know that,

1262
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm saying, But you on pace? Yeah, Pa, right,

1263
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: quick hitters.

1264
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: First thing to come to your mind. Let us know

1265
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: outside of you and Mike b who are some other

1266
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: famous duos that you respect? And the actor director.

1267
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: Was about to trip to the sports p Yeah, yeah,

1268
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: my bad, you said actor actor and director Paul Thomas

1269
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 3: Anderson and Dane Day, Lewis Fike and and then Jil

1270
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 3: Tony Scott and Denzil Derek She and France and Ryan Goslin.

1271
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking butcher her name Greta Gerwig

1272
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: and Sorr she wrote how you say her Irish net Huh,

1273
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: Sorsha Roll Rowland, Chris Nolan and Killian Murphy, Marty and

1274
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: Leo Marty and Bob the Nero Edgar Edgar writing and

1275
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: Simon Pegg needed the Costant test to Thom Sheen.

1276
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're superstitious, but if you want

1277
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: to put the Who's one actor you'd like to work with? Still?

1278
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1279
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: One album you could listen.

1280
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: To our repeat Me against the World.

1281
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Your fondest sports memory maybe your top two

1282
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: or three favorite sports sports memories.

1283
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: One is j v who hitting the game winner against

1284
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: San le Andro kicked our eyes like five games in

1285
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 3: a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out to my hommy,

1286
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: Sam Cheetah. Second favorite memory is catching my first touchdown

1287
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: in college on u C. Davis on sophomore year. I

1288
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: was I was at Davis. Called it in the kind

1289
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: of route its post corner, Yeah, the cost corner. It

1290
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: was good coverage too. At the top of Homie threaded

1291
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: my homie, my homie O. This Amy was on the

1292
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: other side. He ran on the other side. This came O.

1293
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: This came and met me, celebrated with me. We got

1294
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 3: a picture of that. I think he got that somewhere.

1295
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: But that was a good I was a good catch,

1296
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 3: good throw while Ryan letting him. I can't remember the

1297
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: corner back. He was buff as fucked though it was.

1298
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: It was hard to block the whole game. I can't

1299
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: believe I beat him. My last greatest memory was uh,

1300
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: I called it well, I tipped. I tipped a hail

1301
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: Mary against Northern Colorado my senior year, and my homie

1302
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: Tony Washington caught it, uh on the on the back

1303
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: line of that he was down five take it back

1304
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: to score for It was a hell Mary zero I

1305
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: think probably like forty eight yards out. And I was,

1306
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: I was the I was the hell of married guy.

1307
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: And you know I'm five nine, bro, so like, and

1308
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: it was a dB that was I was. That was

1309
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: maybe Jason side is like sixty three trimming me the

1310
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: whole game, bro. And uh. And we had practiced that

1311
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: the hell Mary the day before we got on the plane. Bro.

1312
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: And I'll never forget this because I think about this

1313
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: all the time. We we we ran to play and

1314
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: and and and how that hell mary worked. It's three

1315
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: receivers run to the same spot and the quarterback thought

1316
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: it was basically we had a jump ball in that

1317
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: spot and and that damn practice, Bro. We we all

1318
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: got there at the same time because it was on air,

1319
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: and it dropped it in front of the three. It's

1320
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: nobody caught it because I thought my homie Tony was

1321
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: finna get it. He thought I was gonna get it,

1322
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And the other thought that

1323
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: thought that one of us was gonna get it. And

1324
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: it dropped and we was like damn. And and our

1325
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: college bro ripped this bro like he ran in Marshall

1326
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: Spurback was his name. He ran in, Bro, and he

1327
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: was like, hey, it's just like it same, the same

1328
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: for joking around. He's like, look, man, Tony, you go here,

1329
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: and he put Tony up front. Ill homie, I can't

1330
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: rule it. Might have been, might be mohammie Philip Perry

1331
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: from door shey high Uh Like, Peroy, you go here,

1332
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: And he said, coogar, you catch it. And he says, man,

1333
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: and if you can't, if you can't get two hands

1334
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: on it. And Tippy Bro twenty four hours later, Bro,

1335
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: he game on the line, Game on the line, Bro,

1336
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: And you know it's loud in northern Colorado was cold,

1337
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: and they say, man, we running the hell of married Bro.

1338
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, And he sat in a quarterback,

1339
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: young dude, Bro, it's freshman, he said, Bro. I think

1340
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: I can. I think I can get it there in

1341
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: the end one man and uh. And then Tony look

1342
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: at me. He said, Bro, if you can't catch that motherfucker, tippy, Bro,

1343
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 3: tippy you know what I'm saying. Alrighty bet, and they

1344
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: thow that ship up, brought that big giant ass corner

1345
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: was shitting right there, Bro, and I jumped and he

1346
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: trying to jump smooth too. I got up, Bro, and

1347
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 3: I realized, Bro, I couldn't get two hands on it,

1348
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: because you know you can. You know you can always

1349
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: jump hard. And I'm a one foot jumper, Bro, so

1350
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: you know you always go higher if you jump, if

1351
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: you jumping here and here man, Bro, I tipped that ship, Bro,

1352
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: and I thought I was finna get it like I

1353
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 3: tipped it, and I'm like, oh, I got to play

1354
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: on this, and the big fuck fell on me, Bro,

1355
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So so I'm going down, Bro,

1356
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: and I'm watching the ball drop, BRO and my nigga

1357
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 3: Tony slid in bro Brand basket right and he didn't

1358
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: know he was in, but looked at him. Bro, and

1359
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: I looked up at the ref and the reference looking

1360
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: at me dead in the eye. He nodded, like, yeah,

1361
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: Bro'm just what you're thinking. Bro, lift their hands up

1362
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 3: bright and I don't remember else. Pandemonium.

1363
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: Let's gonna be a part of the movie. Part of

1364
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: guarantee that.

1365
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: Your part of the pandemonium.

1366
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: Bro.

1367
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, last question, yeah, m J Kobe Bron.

1368
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: What's your order me? Yeah, m J Kobe Bron?

1369
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 3: Am I taking bias of it?

1370
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: Take out and put up whatever you want to?

1371
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, bro, what am I ranking? Like? What

1372
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: in your opinion? Brian? Okay, I'll tell you why. Because

1373
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: he did it with social media and it's just the devil. Bro,

1374
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: It's just the devil, like cameras everywhere and and and

1375
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: him being on the cover of Sports Illustrated when he

1376
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 3: was a teenager. Bro. Like Jordan had to deal with that.

1377
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: Kobe had to deal with that too. But but but

1378
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: it wasn't as advanced as it is now for him

1379
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: to have navigated it. And bruh, none of them had

1380
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: to play Steph Bro like like like like like they're like,

1381
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, the closest, the closest, The closest inj had

1382
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 3: to Steph was was was Reggie. You know what I'm saying.

1383
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: The closest Cob had to deal with Steph was was

1384
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 3: Ray You know what I'm saying, Like like the fact

1385
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 3: that Bron like gott got got you know, got full

1386
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: rings in a in the Super Team era. You know

1387
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, when Cash is clicking up, you know,

1388
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And even though he participated

1389
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 3: in that, you know what I'm saying, but still and

1390
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 3: in that Steph in that in that Steph like three

1391
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: point shot era, you know what I mean, change the game,

1392
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: like the fact that he the fact that he was

1393
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: able to and also you know, be a be a

1394
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: be the be, the story, that heat that he is

1395
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: with all this, with all of the mind fuck that

1396
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 3: is the Internet. You know what I'm saying. Mike, we

1397
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: just saw Mike when he was playing. You know what

1398
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I was was it like he can know

1399
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: he could go be, he could go be, he could

1400
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: go be who he was off off off camera, and

1401
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, So I got I got.

1402
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 3: You know, it pains me to shay that bro because

1403
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 3: I love I love Mike and I saw that I

1404
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: saw the second three people Mike. I didn't see the

1405
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: first three p Mike. I was before my time that

1406
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 3: that's just crazy dominating, you know what I'm saying. But

1407
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 3: but I caught him like post retirement basically. But in

1408
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: terms of like who is a better player, you know what?

1409
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's impossible to

1410
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: different also just like different body types, you know, you

1411
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like like like like Brian is

1412
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: a is an unfair type of specially you guarded, you

1413
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 3: guarded to it to a three, So like you could

1414
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: you could tell me who was more who's more difficult

1415
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: to guard.

1416
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: Difficult for me to guard? Was? I mean, I don't

1417
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: get me wrong, Brian is great, but difficult guard code

1418
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: because there's more reaction to your mistakes. Yeah, bron is fast, strong,

1419
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: and if you're there, it don't matter. He can go

1420
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: through you or over you.

1421
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1422
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: But Kobe was more like attacking the foot, attacking a hand, attacking.

1423
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: An angle tactician and then once if you.

1424
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: Caught up to him, here was shot blew.

1425
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: My mind meeting him was how big he was? How

1426
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: big he was six six? Yeah, big fucking dude, like

1427
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: like like like you know, to be as quick an

1428
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,479
Speaker 3: as so Koby was more more tactical. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

1429
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 3: that's that's that's that's what's that feel like? Bro have

1430
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: it's the best?

1431
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: Like I said, I mean my job every night was

1432
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: to guard the best.

1433
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: Like did you ever guard Ai?

1434
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: No?

1435
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have to guard. I don't want them problems.

1436
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: Problem brow I think about I think about that, I

1437
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: think about cold, I think I think about getting the rings.

1438
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah in the AI.

1439
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: Era, Yeah yeah, that was a problem. Have you met him?

1440
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: He's little.

1441
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: Just over over zoomed. Okay, so person, I seen even person.

1442
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: I was in the nose bleed at the All Star

1443
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 3: Game in two thousand and two, two thousand and three

1444
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 3: when it was no nice two thousand two in Oakland

1445
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 3: with the dunk Vins bench stuck in the arm in there.

1446
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: That's my scene. And because because because what happened with Ai.

1447
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: It was was when Vince was going through the he

1448
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: he had his last attempts. People don't people don't talk

1449
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: about this, but his last attempt was a free throw dunk,

1450
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: and Ai was the first one to walk to the

1451
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: He walked, he went on the baseline and walked to

1452
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: the free throw line and laid down on his stomach

1453
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 3: to see to see if he could if he could

1454
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: if he could witness where his foot was when he jump,

1455
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: and when he did that, everybody did it, Like every

1456
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: everybody went, everybody went laid down next to him. So

1457
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: that was my only time seeing Ai in person. You

1458
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: feel me. He that, But that game one he had against.

1459
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: Crazy, that was the only game the Lakers lost the

1460
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: whole playoffs.

1461
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: That's my top sports performance I've ever seen Bro along

1462
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 3: in there like forty two mom two eyes Bro, when

1463
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: he stepped over, when he stepped over to Bro. Oh yeah, I.

1464
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: Want to thank you. Bro. It's been dope watching your

1465
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: journey and your humility and humbleness and and willingness to

1466
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: help and still find a time for people and just

1467
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: being cool man making great projects.

1468
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1469
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: It's dope to see you kind of leading away, and

1470
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: we wish you continued success and love and blessings, no doubt, Bro,

1471
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 2: appreciate you, man, no doubt.

1472
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 3: Man. Mm hmmm.

1473
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm mm hmmm