1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: The following show includes stories of soundbaths, ketamine, Pittsburgh, improv, comedy, dating, 2 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: and a snake curse. If any of that defriends you, 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: if you're faint of heart, simply switch this off and 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: fire up one of my many fine films instead. Might 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: I suggest Jurassic Part. 6 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: So I'm guessing you figure this out? But that wasn't 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: Jeff Goldblum. 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: Hi, I'm George Eva Lotus and I'm a comedian actor 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: nightmare La multi Hyphenett. 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: George is smart and funny and pulls off a great 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: Jeff Goldblum, not just because he sounds like him, but 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: he's also wiry and handsome, with dark features in a 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: young Goldblm. Like most comedians, George is also pretty neurotic, 14 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: and one of the ways he channels that neurosis is 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: by tracking everything. 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: I write anything down that resonates with me, Like my 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 3: notes on my phone are like a compulsive compendium. Like 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: if I read a book, I transcribe every passage that 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: matters to me. I do believe in like building your 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: own meaning. 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: His notes are meticulous lists of every book he's read, 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: recipes he's tried, quote stats down to minute details from conversations. 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 2: So while I could keep trying to paint a picture 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: of George's personality, instead I'm going to let him read 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: the results of just a few of the BuzzFeed quizzes 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: he's taken. 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am C three po because I'm neurotic and 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: people pleaser, Sex and the City. I'm a Charlotte. I'm romantic, 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: annoyingly moral, literary character. You are holding call field highly 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: intelligent and sensitive, but also very so. If you don't 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: get it together, you might have an emotional breakdown. 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Can you even imagine keeping crack of every online personality 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: quiz you've ever taken? 34 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: Harry Potter, I'm a hufflepuff. I'm loyal, honest and kind dog. 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: I sometimes get accused of being aloof, but I'm just 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: picking perks and rec rob Lowe's character. Your positivity can 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: be off putting, but it's a good and. 38 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: He's got more he can keep going. 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: Maybe I should just cut two muppets Doctor Bunsen Honeydew, 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: Doctor Bunsen Honey. 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: Do here at Muppet Labs where the future is being 42 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: made today. 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: You're smart, inventive and stylish. 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: Sat up those time consuming repairs. Yes, George, sees bits 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: of himself in each of these quizzes, like he does 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: love science what can be proven backed up. But in La, 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: in the scene he's in, every person he meets is 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 2: obsessed with crystals and psychics and human potential and stars. 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: I would say that of the dates I've been on 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: in LA, that will come up like, oh, you're a Gemini. Ugh, 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: aren't you guys crazy? 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: It's just been one dating disaster over and over. 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: Like on our third date, she said, I wonder what 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: you'd be like if you move through the world with confidence. 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: My ex was really confident. He was often on cocaine, 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 3: but it was incredible how he would walk in a 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: room and just charm everyone. 58 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: Or the woman who read his stars and insisted you 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: have the same chart as Obama, which is interesting because 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: you're not very presidential. So anytime he falls for a girl, 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: the astrology thing always seems to be a roadblock. 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: Truly, every time a friend would ask, I'd be like, 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: it's wonderful. She's wonderful except for this one thing. She 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: really really believes in astrology. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcast, I'm Mongish Heartigular Welcome the 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Skyline Drive Chapter one easy target. Back when I started 67 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: working on this show and ask people what they thought 68 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: about astrology, everyone immediately wanted to talk about dating. When 69 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: astrology shows up in a date, you can kind of 70 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: feel like a slowdown. 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: In traffic, like should. 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: I be looking for ways around us? Or is it 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: going to be quicker or are we just going to. 74 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: Be sitting here for hours? 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: I think if you make it seriously, I'm kind of 76 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: putting you in the Mary Anne Williamson anti vaxer camp. 77 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: Just a little bit. 78 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: I'm talking to some. 79 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 5: Like random person, and really, because I'm a Sagittarius, i 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: am bitch. 81 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 6: And it's like, I don't know if that's why your bitch. 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: Actually I do am misch and I'm not a Sagittarius. 83 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: And truthfully, I'm guessing a lot of you were waiting 84 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: for our big dating episode. It's not that we didn't 85 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: do the interviews. 86 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 7: I only care about astrology when it relates to love. 87 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I've been on dates where people ask my 88 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 4: sign and the problem and maybe this is why I 89 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: am not so into astrology is that I think I'm 90 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 4: the most universally reviled sign, which is Gemini. 91 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 7: I use it more for the signs I shouldn't date, 92 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 7: which is like Sagittarius not great Gemini, no way, never 93 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 7: a deal breaker. 94 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: We get a lot of uh haters, And here I 95 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: am a defying as a we even though I just 96 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: said a second, I don't believe in it. But nonetheless, 97 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: there's a lot of Gemini haters out there. 98 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: Who will say, oh, so you're a duplicitous. 99 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 4: Liar, and I'm like, look, I don't even want to 100 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: try to defend myself against that because it doesn't make 101 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: any sense in the first place. 102 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 7: I asked him what his stosign was and he said Aquarius, 103 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 7: and I sent like the ghost face emoji, and he 104 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 7: was like, what's the problem. 105 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: But as I listened to more and more stories about 106 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: how my friends were interacting with astrology, I realized I 107 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: wasn't doing a good job of articulating part of what 108 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: I wanted from this show. Like I was trying to 109 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: get out how astrology is just this ambient presence in 110 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: Indian life, this ever present hum that exists in the background. 111 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: So I asked my friend NUMBERDA about it. 112 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 8: In India, the relationship with astrology is like it's like smoking, 113 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 8: Like you might not smoke but like you're going to 114 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 8: get secondhand astrology anyway. 115 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: Number of those parents are diplomats, and whether they were 116 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: posting Russia or Canada or Poland or wherever, she was 117 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: always teaching new friends about Indian culture, from how to 118 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: celebrate the vali to why a cup of child pairs 119 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: so nicely with a chili cheese toast. Her family's whole 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: story is interesting to me. Her parents actually met as 121 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: students training to join the Foreign service, and. 122 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 8: So they were doing all of their training together. And 123 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 8: the way that my mom tells the story is, she 124 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 8: might kill me a little bit, but that's such a 125 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 8: cute story. 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: When her dad met her mom and witnessed her brilliance 127 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: in classes, he just couldn't get her out of his head. 128 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: So with each posting he would conveniently figure out a 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: way to be close by. 130 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 8: So I think he chased her all around India until 131 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 8: she married him. He's stubborn a Taurus and worked. 132 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 9: Out for him. 133 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: Her parents are from very different backgrounds. 134 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 8: My mother comes from a Punjabi sick family from New Delhi. 135 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 8: My father is from Hindu Uriya family, and so no 136 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 8: one would ever arrange their marriage because there are different religions, 137 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 8: different languages, different parts of India. 138 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: Often when you're getting an arranged marriage, families are looking 139 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 2: for matches from the same community. So there's little chance 140 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: that these two would have ever been paired up. But 141 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: once they fell in love, they just ignored astrology. They 142 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: found their partner and they didn't need it. But as 143 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: much as Numbertha has kind of avoided astrology for most 144 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: of her life, or at least not actively interacted with 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: it as a newly single person, she's found the topic unavoidable. 146 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 8: I can stretch your metaphor to death. It did feel 147 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 8: like when you'd go to a party and you'd like, 148 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 8: you're not a smoke bluestand I was like, just so 149 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 8: you could be part of the conversation, hang out and 150 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 8: have this moment and like now it'll be like, oh 151 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 8: my gosh, like mercury is in retrograde again, and everyone's like, 152 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 8: I'm telling you, and then you can start chatting about 153 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 8: the weird shit that's happening in your life. 154 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: In America, astrology tends to be easy shorthand for young romantics, 155 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: and it's often a crude sorting system. 156 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 8: People will just volunteer it for no reason. It'll just 157 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 8: be like, here's how how tall I am and I'm 158 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 8: a Scorpio, and you're like, wow, that's all I need 159 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 8: to know. 160 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: It's this persistent stereotype that trails you around, allowing people 161 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: to judge you based on which thirty days you were born, 162 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: and everyone born in that period is treated like they're 163 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: exactly the same. But it's funny how even number that 164 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: gets dragged into this line of thinking. 165 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 8: I don't think I'm going into it being like so 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 8: and so is a Libra and so of course it's 167 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 8: never going to work. 168 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 9: I don't actually know what that would mean. 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 8: But I will also do the thing where I'll be like, oh, yeah, 170 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 8: of course, another Aquarius. For some reason, I keep dating them. 171 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: I don't know. 172 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. 173 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 8: I'm trying go, why are you asking you these questions? 174 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: I guess maybe we should have done a dating episode, 175 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: but instead I kept coming back to trees. Well, people 176 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: who have to marry trees. Let me explain. In India, 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: there's an astrological sign called a munglic. The word literally 178 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: means Mars cursed. That is, you have Mars occupying your 179 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: house of love and marriage and that curse will supposedly 180 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: cause a spouse to die early. Being a Munglic is 181 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: treated with incredible seriousness. In some cultures, Munglicks are only 182 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: allowed to marry other Munglics. Luckily, there's a workaround, since 183 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: the curse only affects your first marriage. A Munglick will 184 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: often have a first marriage to like a clay pot 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: which you can break afterwards to transfer the curse away. 186 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: Or some people marry like I mentioned a tree. Once 187 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: there was a tree and shame loved a little boy. 188 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: You would climb up a trunk swing. This is way 189 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: more intense than the giving tree, though there's a full 190 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: ceremony in everything. This is obviously highly controversial because what 191 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: does it mean that in a very modern and progressive 192 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: country individuals end up having to undergo these weddings to 193 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: satis by a superstition, And because it mostly affects women, 194 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: or is perceived to the whole thing is seen as 195 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: anti feminist. Take Eischwe Rai for example. Rai is one 196 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: of India's most famous celebs, a Bollywood star, former Miss World. 197 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 8: I'm not good enough for your mother, and you think 198 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 8: I'd want to leave my family for you? After you've 199 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 8: ruined my sister's life. 200 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: She's a Mongolic, and there are media reports that she 201 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: actually married two trees before she could marry another Indian star. 202 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: Her father in law, the Bollywood legend Amitab Buttchen, has 203 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: actually scolded the press saying, where is the tree? Show 204 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: me the tree, you know, kind of denying the rumors. 205 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: But it's hard to know what the truth is. Rye's 206 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: family comes from a culture of steeped and animist in 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: the tradition, but as one of India's most watched celebrities, 208 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: she's also under intense pressure as a feminist and has 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: a role model for Indian values. So if a tree 210 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: gets married in the forest, who really knows? 211 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: Right? 212 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: Anyway, That's the kind of astrology I wanted to explore 213 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: in this series, the strange and fantastic places the stars 214 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: can take you if you believe in it. But that's 215 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: not exactly what happened either. Astrology just kept happening to me. 216 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: It didn't matter whether I believed. 217 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: Or not. 218 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: Chapter two, You're a good. 219 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: Snake, May May. 220 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: There is no question that George is a romantic, but 221 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: as he and I talked about dating and love, our 222 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: conversations just kept getting pulled towards this question. 223 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: Of belief I was a skeptic from like grade school. 224 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: George just can't stop questioning things. It's been something innate 225 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: since his childhood in Pittsburgh, when he was dragged to 226 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: his family's Greek Orthodox church every week. 227 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: I was like, this old man in the sky is 228 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: telling us how to dress. Why does he care what 229 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: we wear? It's really weird he sees through our clothes. 230 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: Doesn't make any sense. My dad would be like, just 231 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: put on a suit. 232 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: He always felt like kind of a black sheep. He 233 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: told me he was bullied for being a quote space 234 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: cadet poet artist even at art school. The competitive nature 235 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: made him feel like an outcast. And now that he 236 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: has all these wonderful friends who he really identifies with, 237 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: except when it comes to New Age beliefs, maybe it's 238 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: just that he doesn't want to feel left out again. 239 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: You know, I really wish I believed in this stuff 240 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: because you and your friends, the spiritual friends, are so 241 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: much happier, and they have really open hearts too as 242 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: a result, because they really trust the universe. 243 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: Which is something I can relate to. My parents had 244 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: such deep convictions about spirituality and as a kid, I 245 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: just assumed that the things my parents believed would one 246 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: day makes sense to me, like on my eighteenth birthday 247 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: or whatever. I just have this understanding that would snap 248 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: into place, and until then I just keep going through 249 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: the motions. But despite claiming he believes in nothing, George 250 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: seemingly tried everything part of its curiosity. But also he 251 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: seems particularly amenable whenever a cute. 252 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: Girl is involved. Like we went to a sound bath. 253 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: I had friends through Kara reading friends, have you done 254 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: your human design charge? I was really in touch with 255 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: this psychic thing called the acasion record this language. She 256 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: just had a cold read on me. 257 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: George is engaged with countless experiments of belief. He just 258 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: can't get off the experienced treadmill. So when another date 259 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: told him maybe he should try ketamine to counter his 260 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: depression because it had helped her, of course he tried it. 261 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: So I found this therapist and she was like, Yeah, 262 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: ketamine is not what i'd recommend for your what you're 263 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: going through. You have really negative stories about yourself and 264 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: a lot of trauma, and you need to sever the 265 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: ties with those beliefs, and for that, I'd recommend five MEODMT, 266 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: or the poison of the Sonoran desert toad. 267 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: To many people inhaling desert toad poison to heal yourself 268 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: might also seem a little new agy, but because it 269 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: was presented to George in this scientific way, he was 270 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: much more comfortable with it, and as the experience grew 271 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: more intense, George was drawn into this recent memory. 272 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: My friend and I were on a hike and this 273 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: garter snake slid across the hiking path really fast, and 274 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: she jumped back like, oh my God, really scared, like 275 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: definitely scared. And I was like, immediately I saw I 276 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: was a garter snake, and I thought, oh, it's harmless. 277 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: And then while I was tripping, I thought, why do 278 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: I hurt myself with words and self hate and this depression. 279 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: I'm so cruel to myself. I wouldn't even hurt a snake. 280 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: And I don't even like snakes. I feel nothing for them. 281 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: And I started laughing while I was tripping, and this 282 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: phrase popped up, which was you're a good snake. And 283 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: I kept saying, you're a good snake. You're allowed to 284 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: be here, You're a good snake, You're allowed to be here. 285 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: All this talk of snakes and shaman and belief and skepticism. 286 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: It makes me think of this story my mom told 287 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: me when I interviewed her for this show. Tell me 288 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: a little bit about pregnancies and bert, you guys had 289 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: a hard time having me. Was there anything that indicated 290 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: that you would have a child or wouldn't have a child. 291 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 9: No, they didn't read that far, at least they didn't 292 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 9: tell us. Yeah. 293 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: One of the things I don't often talk about is 294 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: the miracle of my own birth. For a number of years, 295 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: my parents had one miss carriage after another. They couldn't 296 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: carry a baby to term. I think my mom ended 297 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: up in the hospital two or three times, and they 298 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: had five or six miscarriages. And then when my mom 299 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: was pregnant with me, my grandfather tried something different. Here's 300 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: my mom telling the story. 301 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 9: He went to the temple in Goa and he lit 302 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 9: a lamp and had the priests like a lamp every 303 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 9: day for you in your own before you were born. 304 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: They prayed, they kept the flame going continuously for nine months, 305 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: and when I was finally born, my parents named me 306 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: Mungash after that temple in Goa. And so that's one story. 307 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: The other part is the science part. It's less magical, 308 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 2: but equally miraculous. The pregnancy was so high risk that 309 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: the doctor put my mom on intense bedrest. 310 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 9: I was in bed for nine months. Seventh month, he 311 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 9: said it could take a little easier. I could sit down, 312 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 9: but not walk too much. 313 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 2: So why were you high risk? 314 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 9: Because they said that my own body wouldn't love the 315 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 9: features to grow it, so they had to fool it. 316 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 9: And that's what they did. 317 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: The way my mom explains it, they had to trick 318 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: her body with thyroid pills and barbituates, and only once 319 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: they heard my heartbeat they let her get up and 320 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 2: start taking baths, but only baths. 321 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 9: No shirt, it's no standing up to Wow, pre precious muggiche. 322 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: These are stories I know, stories I've always known. But 323 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: as I chatted with my mom, another story cropped up, 324 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: another possible reason for the miscarriages, and this one I 325 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: definitely hadn't heard before. 326 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 9: Once I got my toomage, they say the curse was 327 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 9: on the Hutkuld the family, and it came on to 328 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 9: me because I was bringing the progeny in. 329 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: What's the curse of the hetique of their family? 330 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 9: It's something to do with the snakes what. 331 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 2: You haven't told me about the suburb before. 332 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 9: Every time I got pregnant, I'd see the snake chasing 333 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 9: me everywhere. 334 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: During every miscarriage where they'd often lose the child right 335 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: before the three month mark, my mom would have these 336 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: horrible nightmares about snakes. 337 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 9: Grew up always in the country with lots of land around. 338 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: My mom's dad was a chief of forestry, so often 339 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: they were posted on the edges of jungles where there 340 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: was no shortage of snakes. They would come into the 341 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: house to escape the heat and hide in the rolled 342 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: up carpets. And when the staff would unroll the carpets 343 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: in the evening to set the home up for big 344 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: dinners and events, the snakes would try to slither. 345 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 9: Out, and then one someone will call another, and then 346 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 9: Molly the gardener would come in three and four would 347 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 9: come with his mix staffs and the MiG sticks and 348 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 9: just hack it to death. 349 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: My mom, like George, finds real solace in nature. She 350 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: can identify most flowers and trees, and she is crazy 351 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: about animals, so of course she couldn't stomach the way 352 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: these snakes were being treated. 353 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 9: The poor poor little thing, so I'm always thought that 354 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 9: my psyche had worked on it because little and I 355 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 9: felt sorry because of an animal lover that I felt 356 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 9: sorry for the snake. 357 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: So my mom assumed these dreams were just psychological. But 358 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: when my dad's family was like, oh no, we actually 359 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: have this long standing snake curse in our family because 360 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: we killed some snakes clearing our land generations ago or 361 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: whatever the story was. And believe me, I know how 362 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: crazy this sounds. They clarified, your nightmares are probably coming 363 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: from that. That's what my dad's sister, Indeka stepped into help. 364 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 9: Indaka took us to a guy, a holy man. 365 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: He performed a ceremony for them, but also he gave me. 366 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 9: A month trout to sing and every day I to 367 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 9: recite it, and so had domash, And slowly the fear 368 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 9: of the snake's kind of abated, and I saw Chanta 369 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 9: Dugo in my dreams. 370 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: Chanta Derga is one of our family's patron deities, a 371 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: goddess of light and wisdom and oddly enough fertility. 372 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 9: But she had four arms. That's so they depict her energy. 373 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: As many times as I've been to the Shanta Derga temple, 374 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: which is also in Goa or stared at illustrations of 375 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: Chantaderga on family altars. Sure, I've noticed the goddess's four arms, 376 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: but also she has like three giant hooded cobra sitting 377 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: at her feet, just facing you. So before my mom 378 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: said this, if you gave me a pop quiz and 379 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: asked me how many snakes is Shanta Doorga holding, I'm 380 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: not sure I would have known the answer, but the 381 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: answer is too. Two of her hands are in these 382 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: madras or poses that indicate divine protection and granting your wishes, 383 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: and her other two hands hold these tiny cobras. So 384 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: when Chantaderga came to my mom in a dream and 385 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: my mom noticed the snakes in her. 386 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 9: Hands, to brute you know it, lose all faith in 387 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 9: you and said no, no, She said I can protect 388 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 9: you as well as the snakes, and the two should 389 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 9: never meet. 390 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: And then my mom, the lit major the NBA, the 391 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: modern woman who had stayed on bed rest for the 392 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: full term of my pregnancy, with a little bit of 393 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: sitting up at seven months, finally had me. But it's 394 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: so crazy, right, because it's not like our family is 395 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: steeped in superstition, and so why do we put faith 396 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: in things like a curse of a serpent. 397 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 9: I think anything works when you're desperate. Boy, it doesn't 398 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 9: cost you very much, right to go ahead and do 399 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 9: whate would they tell you to do, and you feel 400 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 9: like you're giving it your best. That's the main thing, yeah. 401 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: Is that you're feeling about astrology? 402 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 9: Yes, I think so. 403 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 2: I keep mulling my mom's words over my head. How 404 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: anything works when you're desperate, How it doesn't cost you 405 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: very much to do whatever they tell you to do. 406 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 2: How you want to feel like you're giving it your best. 407 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: And I guess that's true whether you're trying to find 408 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: love or unpacked trauma or have a child when you 409 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: think you can't. There can be comfort in the trying 410 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: and beauty and the wanting to believe even when it 411 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: defies reason. Parni in the chapter three this is always 412 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: going to be a theme in your life, so trust me. 413 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: We all get the irony of this. But today George 414 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: is about to talk to an astrologer to find out. 415 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: Will I ever believe in anything or will I remain 416 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: a hardened skeptic alone in the universe. 417 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear what Janelle thinks about how philosophical 418 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: his mind is and whether his skepticism shows up in 419 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: his birth chart. And because George is so open and witty, 420 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear him react in real time. 421 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: But something has changed since the last time George and 422 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: I spoke. When he logs onto the video call, I 423 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: can see that his foot is in the cast. He's 424 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: stuck on a couch, reaching awkwardly to grab things from 425 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 2: a table nearby, and he's subdued and clearly a little distracted. 426 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: Well, I broke my foot last week, and my whole 427 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: next six to eight weeks is completely different. 428 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: Now this isn't the same George I met earlier, and 429 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: I'm worried. I mean, what was I thinking bringing a 430 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: total skeptic who stops dating people when he finds out 431 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: they believe in astrology to an astrologer? Why did I 432 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: think this would work? Okay, from the moment I hit record, 433 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't go well. 434 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 5: Can you guys hear me? Are we all good? 435 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: During the taping, Janelle keeps asking if George is still there? 436 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: Did I lose you again? No? 437 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, any questions about that? 438 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: No? 439 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: But Janelle proceeds unfazed. 440 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 5: Career is a big part of your life and your focus. 441 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: This mar says, I really want to achieve something you have. 442 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 5: Saturn in the House of Publishing, television, radio, film for 443 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 5: Jupiter is king of the Castle, and Jupiter as a 444 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 5: planet is all about faith. It's all about the things 445 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 5: that are fanned. 446 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: Our mind, banned our our minds. 447 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: And still coming out of this dark fan. 448 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: Folks, you're supposed to be hopeful. 449 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 5: Dreaming about fo weird next for yourself. Meaning so, Saturn 450 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 5: in the Ninth House says, I have a lot of 451 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 5: fear around these things. Find faith and belief and religion. 452 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 5: But did I lose you again? 453 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: For all the readings we've done so far, no one 454 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: is as deeply unresponsive as Georgie's. In fact, he barely 455 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: says anything. For someone trained in improv he is not yes, 456 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: ending the situation in the slightest. 457 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: Actually, now I forget uh sure, yeah, Romance, what's going on? 458 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: H a lot to think about it. 459 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. I mean, she's explaining all 460 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: these things he said he wanted to know about. 461 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 5: All right, So are there questions in particular that can 462 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 5: help you with regarding this. How else can I help you? 463 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: I don't know what would be an example of a question. 464 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: Finally, there is one moment where he starts to open 465 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: up a little. Janelle is pushing George on his skepticism, 466 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: and he tells her he just can't believe in anything 467 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: he can't quantify. 468 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: That skepticism continues with all things unmeasurable. 469 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: And Janelle assures him that that's also a part of 470 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,239 Speaker 2: who he is. 471 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: That's the point of Gemini energy, Like, discernment is always 472 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 5: going to be your friend, right, I wouldn't worry too 473 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: much about it, but I do think this is always 474 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: going to be a feme in your life. Enjoy the 475 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 5: process of discovery versus feeling like skepticism means I can't 476 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 5: learn and everything's going to be wrong. She's like, how 477 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: will you know unless you ask? 478 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: That's cool, not entirely a success, that is, until I 479 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: actually talked to George again. Chapter four, How is this working? 480 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: I've been waiting to catch up with George to find 481 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: out why he was so distant during this reading, why 482 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: he wasn't engaged. When I email him to find the time, 483 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: he says he's busy with work. He has a big 484 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: audition and he's apologetic, but it takes us a little 485 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: while to connect your auditions. 486 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: Oh good, I just got a call back, Soter, So 487 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: tell me what do you think about the reading? 488 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 3: Really interesting? 489 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 10: Interesting isn't the word I was expecting him to use, 490 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 10: you know, out the gate. It was so accurate. I 491 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 10: was like, this is a dead ringer for my life. 492 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 10: But how is this working? You know, as part of 493 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 10: me was like, there's no way this isn't a trick. 494 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: But I was surprised because like I couldn't tell how 495 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: you were responding. 496 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 497 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Even if something was really on the nose, I'd 498 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: be like, hmm, there's something suspicious about that, you know, 499 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: Like when she said like something really big was the 500 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: language of like the new Moon and something big happened 501 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: for you in May Night twenty nineteen, it was like, yeah, Yeah, 502 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: the biggest career thing that's ever happened was May twenty nineteen. 503 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: George is playing it cool, but I'm kind of blown away. 504 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: In the summer of twenty nineteen, George was named a 505 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: new Face of Comedy by the prestigious Just for Last Festival, 506 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: And it's the kind of thing that makes Hollywood notice 507 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: and launch his careers. Yeah, it's huge. 508 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: It was for me a huge deal. It was like 509 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: the first time I got a big thumbs up from, 510 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: you know, the gods of comedy. Her opening was so 511 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: dead on for my life, like sort of the family 512 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: of origin and breaking out of like doing your own thing. 513 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: Like my grandfather drove me past a photographer's art studio 514 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: and it was just dilapidated, very depressing building in Pittsburgh, 515 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: and he goes, that's going to be you. This would 516 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: be your life. But like, as much as I'm a skeptic, 517 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm such. 518 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: A Gemini, I'm fascinated by George's push pull, so I 519 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: ask him a little more about it. 520 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: I have trouble when people say, you know, you deserve this, 521 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, we are a random organism spinning 522 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: on a rock. I don't know that humans deserve anything 523 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: other than like the basic biological package of like love, community, shelter, water, sunlight, 524 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: Like that's that's you deserve that for sure, But like, 525 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: did I deserve the part of that show come on. 526 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: During the reading, what I assumed was this dismissive, unengaged 527 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: behavior where George was looking down and mumbling these one 528 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: word responses. It was, in fact him taking detailed notes 529 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: on everything Janelle was saying. 530 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: I mean it wrote down a lot of what she said, like, 531 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: choose people who are limitless with your growth, who are 532 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: joyous of your discovery. Your belief system is changing, You're 533 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: going to attract new people. I have all my notes 534 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: highly categorized, so I have like it'll be like therapy, recipes, comedy. 535 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about this. I put the astrology 536 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: reading into therapy. 537 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: I'm relieved that he got something from the experience, a 538 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 2: phone full of notes, it turns out. But as we 539 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: wrap up, I ask about his foot. He sounded so 540 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: despondent about it the last time we chatted. I'm curious 541 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: how he's doing. But instead of telling me how he 542 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: broke it while camping, he tells me how it immediately 543 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: led to some funny slash disappointing experiences. 544 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: After I got back from the EO with my broken foot, 545 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 3: my friend was like, I'm going to cook you the 546 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: most delicious dinner steak, keen mall salad. It's gonna like, 547 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: don't worry. 548 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: He gets promised this delicious campfire meal, but then when 549 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: they're about to start prepping, they realize. 550 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: A bear was next to our campsite. All of our 551 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: food was gone. The bear had eaten everything, And I 552 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: was like, I just immediately started laughing because I was like, 553 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: that's perfect. 554 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Horrible experiences are gold for George. 555 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: The worse the experience, the better the story. Like I 556 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: was just joking that I had a really wonderful date, 557 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: and I was telling my friend, I'm sorry, I have 558 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: nothing to tell you other then we laughed, we made dinner, 559 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: we had great sex. You don't need any details. But 560 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 3: like the other date that week that was really weird 561 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: and twisty and strange, We're gonna talk about that for 562 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: two hours. 563 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: So of course it's perfect that a bear ate his meal. 564 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: But when he's skeptical about love, I was. 565 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: Like, George, you have to be okay with the fact 566 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 3: that you might never find that. It is like hitting the. 567 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: Lottery to get it, or his career. 568 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: I have to be okay with not getting that in 569 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: the same way that I'm okay with maybe never being 570 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: in a Taikeo Whitt movie or like Wes Anderson. I 571 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: would love that. I would love that. I think I 572 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: do well, but they may never happen. 573 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: I wonder if these stories are just to entertain others too, 574 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: because George is a performer, a really good performer, but 575 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: he actually believes in love. It's why he goes on dates, 576 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: and he believes in his talent. It's why he keeps 577 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: putting himself out there. And as much as he doesn't 578 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: want to tell himself he's a believer, all of his 579 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: actions betray his incredible faith. There is so much hope 580 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: in his tone. 581 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: Do you remember apple jacks? Okay, the commercials in the nineties, 582 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: there was always a couple of kids eating apple jacks. 583 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: As usually the dad would come in and they'd like, 584 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: take a bite, and they'd be like, he doesn't even 585 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: taste like apples. And the kids would be like, we 586 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: eat what we like. 587 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 11: You just do. 588 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: And I love that. 589 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: What George is seeking I realize now it isn't a 590 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: reason to believe so much as another reminder to be 591 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: nicer to himself. It's okay to eat what he likes, 592 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: to build his own meaning, to be present. He just 593 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: needs another reminder that. 594 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: You're a good snake. 595 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: He's a good snake. 596 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: You're a good snake. 597 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: He's allowed to be here. 598 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: You're a good snake. 599 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: He's a good snake. 600 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: You're a good snake. You're allowed to be. 601 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 6: Here, ol Friends, Chapter five. 602 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't cost you much. I'm thinking about my mom's 603 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: comment about why she chanted those mantras to get rid 604 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: of the snake curse. 605 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 9: I think anything works when you're desperate. Boy, it doesn't 606 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 9: cost you very much. Right. 607 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: There's actually a study that illustrates this effect in the 608 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, and Australian psychologist Graham Tyson determined that the 609 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: same people who don't believe in astrology in low stress 610 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: situations suddenly are very open to it in high stress situations, 611 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: kind of like agnostics on a plane when the turbulence hits. 612 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: But I think that hints to something true about a 613 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: lot of us. How there's a reluctance to admit that 614 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: you might believe. Like I saw this Pew study about India, 615 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: where astrology is clearly infused in the culture, and it 616 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: showed that while only forty four percent of Indians admit 617 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: to believing in astrology, eighty three percent use astrology to 618 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: plan important events. But I guess that's what I admire 619 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: about jo Or Like he says he doesn't believe, but 620 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 2: he keeps trying, keeps putting himself out there, and our 621 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 2: actions often reveal way more about ourselves than our stated beliefs. 622 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: On this show, over and over, I've said I'm a skeptic, 623 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 2: that I don't believe in astrology, and that is true. 624 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: But unlike George, I've been reluctant to test my faith. 625 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 2: I mean, sure, I pressed a banana to my palm 626 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 2: on Wednesdays, but I treated that as a comedy bit. 627 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, I got some readings. But even as I 628 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: witnessed this miracle of astrology, this eerily accurate prediction of 629 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: how my dad would fall ill and struggle to make 630 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: it through the year. 631 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 5: The situation doesn't look good for father. 632 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 9: That is risks to father. 633 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 2: I borrowed myself in disbelief. I stayed aloof I taped 634 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: other people getting readings. To tell me how you feel 635 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: coming into this. 636 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 3: There's so much to hear that I would you suggest 637 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: this experience. 638 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: I tried to see if astrology could work for them, 639 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: tried to keep myself busy, tried to keep myself distracted 640 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: from processing my own grief, and I've kept trying to 641 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: push the story away from myself, but it is so 642 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: clear that I can't. Every episode starts light and ends 643 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: with some bittersweet moment, not because I intend to, but 644 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 2: because that's where everything always leads me. There's this thing 645 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: I've tried not to think about too much, this supposed 646 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: answer to all my problems, a wholy astrological graile of sorts. 647 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: And I've been so angry at astrology in a way 648 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: for being so right about my dad, that I haven't 649 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: wanted to lean into it. I first heard about it 650 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: from a friend right after college, and then my cousin 651 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: mentioned it, then Pete the astrologer from The Walkman, and 652 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: even doctor Kumar. 653 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 3: The future of every man born on earth is already. 654 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: There are these little shops in India. They're hard to locate, 655 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: and it's hard to find an authentic one. Pete tells 656 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 2: me there's. 657 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 8: All sorts of scam artists, right like there's all these 658 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 8: vague ones. 659 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 2: Like these shops hold all the secrets of your life, 660 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 2: your past and present and future. The day that you 661 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: show up, everything will change thereafter, Because, as the legend goes, 662 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: your fortune was etched onto this petrified leaf hundreds of 663 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: years ago in tiny script and then bound in a 664 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: collection of fortunes. And if you give your thumbprint and 665 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 2: tell them the day you were born, it's just waiting 666 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: for you on a shelf, waiting for you to discover it. 667 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 4: The thing pound leaves in tiny u writing the world 668 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 4: like one inch by ten inch or something. 669 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 3: So if your leaf is phone, the everything about you. 670 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 5: Your name is Mangish, your father's name is this, your 671 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 5: mother's name is this. 672 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 3: You have so many brothers, sisters, you're. 673 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 12: Not married yet, and you're now forty two years awage. 674 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: Now that you come to hear your future, even for 675 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: you to know your future is predetermined. 676 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 5: And guess what, No matter which space with religion you're from, 677 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 5: you're Muslim or Christian, your father's name, your mother's name 678 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 5: hasband name, wife name. 679 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 9: What greater validation you want than that? 680 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 2: As much as I've tried to ignore it, somehow I 681 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 2: can't get the idea of these little shops in India 682 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: out of my head because I don't know what I'm doing, 683 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to be doing, And what if written 684 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 2: on those scrolls is an answer I need. As improbable 685 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: as it sounds, I'd love to know who's the person 686 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: I meant to be, especially in this moment when I 687 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 2: feel so onnoored. Going to India where I can hear 688 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 2: my mother tongue again and feel the love and warmth 689 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 2: of my dad's family, that also feels like a good thing. 690 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,959 Speaker 2: And honestly, if I can dwell in this tiny sense 691 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 2: of hope, if I can ask enough people and actually 692 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: find these ancient leaves, maybe it don't stop me from spinning. 693 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 2: Maybe they'll offer some direction, and maybe they'll tell me 694 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 2: what happens next. 695 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 12: Goshoot, you MoU just let it all go. 696 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: Figure, Thank you so much for listening to Skyline Drive, 697 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: a production of Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcast. This show is 698 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: hosted and written by Me mongaish heartigular. But I could 699 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 2: not make this show without my incredible team. Mary Philip 700 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 2: Sandy is our supervising producer and even the so she 701 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 2: refused to drink mango fruity and dance of Hollywood songs 702 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 2: with me and the rest of us, she is still incredible. 703 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 2: Mitra Banshaihi is our wonderful producer who's been taking recording 704 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 2: equipment to every single party she goes to this month. 705 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 2: Mark Lotto is our incredible story editor and might be 706 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 2: the only person I know in Brooklyn who loves paratas 707 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 2: and coffee in the morning more than me. This episode 708 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 2: was also produced and mixed by the insanely talented Anna Rubinova, 709 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 2: who worked overtime on this episode because I was so 710 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 2: behind on it, Anna, I really can't thank you enough. 711 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: The gorgeous scoring and theme song comes from Botany. Special 712 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 2: thanks to my Palace Himanchu Sori for hyping the show 713 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: and Pete and Jay for Motor Sales for their beautiful, 714 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 2: beautiful music. Thank you to Number the three, but the 715 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 2: who runs the most remarkable children's imprint out there. It's 716 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 2: called Coquila Books. Seriously go check out their work. My 717 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 2: children love it. Additional production and research support from the 718 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 2: wonderful through Shivarrao, Lizzie Jacobs, my long suffering why if 719 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 2: someone Buckshi, Argent Bukshi, anyone named Buckshi? 720 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: Really? 721 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 2: This show is executive produced from iHeart or my good 722 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 2: pals Niki Etour and Katrina Norvel. Also thank you to 723 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 2: my partners at Kaleidoscope, Oz, Kate Costas and Viny You 724 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: know how much I love you all. Special thanks to 725 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 2: Ali Nathan Connell Will and Bob at iHeart for getting 726 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 2: behind the show and as always, a big thank you 727 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 2: to my Amma, my dad, Lalita and Umeshatiku Dur who 728 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 2: I thank my lucky stars for. George Avio lotis an 729 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,959 Speaker 2: incredible comedian in person. He was so kind to share 730 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 2: a story with us. If you haven't checked out his impressions, 731 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 2: go do that now, including my favorite this one. Your 732 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 2: college boyfriend who took one Shakespeare class. 733 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 11: So long as man can breathe and Oz can see, 734 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 11: so long lives this and this gives life to thie. 735 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 3: Gee. 736 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah you're different. 737 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 11: You're different. 738 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 3: I like you. You're not like other girls. Yeah you 739 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: got something different. 740 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 2: I mean all of you out there are different. Thank 741 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: you so much for lending us your ears. 742 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 12: Sweet so now I can't wait to get you. 743 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 3: Restless. 744 00:42:29,280 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 12: Locac Tuesday Last Days tis the NAT