WEBVTT - Live Action Anime, Plus Interview with Stephen Graham Jones 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:03.760 Warning warning. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:11.440 Today's episode making day spoilers for multiple live action anime adaptations, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.440 so beware. Plus, after our chat, I'll be interviewing award 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:35.280 winning horror and comics author Stephen Graham Jones. Hello, my 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.080 name is Rosie Knight, and welcome back to X ray Vision, 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.360 the podcast where we dive peek into your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.159 comics and pop culture. We're coming to you from iHeart Podcast, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.400 where we'll be bringing you three episodes. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.240 A week, and it's on Saturdays. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.120 In today's episode, I am joined by Carmen and Ian 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.120 to discuss something I'm always trying to talk about, which 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.120 is anime and in this case, the conundrum of live 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.280 action anime adaptations. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.039 Ian in common, welcome in. How are you doing today? 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:05.080 So good? 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.960 I've got my my wig on, I've got my anime 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.160 girl makeup on. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.479 You wearing a little sailor moon wearing outfit out. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.039 I'm ready to do a transformation. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:19.560 Let's do it. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.160 I am all. I mean I'm also wearing a ginger 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.520 Eto sweater, so I guess we realize apparently case, I've. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.319 Been wanting to say, that is a very cute swettter 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:28.760 you have on. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.000 Thank you this is this is actually a junge Eto 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.800 drop Dead, which is like an emo band lead singer. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.640 So it's even sillier, even sillier and more emo than 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:45.880 a junge Eto is usually. Okay, let's jump in, guys Ian, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.280 I want to start with you, what is your first 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.240 memory of watching an anime? And then what was the 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.320 first live action anime remake that you saw? 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.640 Okay, so, I think mine is going to be similar 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.640 for a lot of young American men who are of 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.320 a certain age. It's got dragon Ball Z was the 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.680 first for me on Twnami Classic, you know, weekday afternoons 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.840 after school. I would run home and put it on. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.960 So that was, like, I think, really one of my 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.639 first exposures to anime. And you know, I remember watching 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.040 the series all the way through and couldn't wait to 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:20.760 get home to see the next episode. It's like, oh, 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.600 gohans still charging up this Okay? Cool? And then the 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:30.240 first live action remake that I can think of, I 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.880 think it might be that also, Dragon Ball Z. That 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.360 that first live action movie they. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:41.000 Did, Cursed dragon ball I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. Yeah, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.079 guessing that did not give you a great feeling around 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:54.040 the nature of possibility. Of anime beautiful boy common how 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:54.880 about you. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.960 You know it's funny I brings up Dragon Ball Z 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:02.120 because I was on the opposite end of us spectrum tunami. Famously, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.760 if you made it home from school early enough, you 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.200 could catch Sailor Moon. And if I was late if. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.799 School memories of Moon too. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.280 Yes, if the school bus was running late that day, though, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.960 I had to watch Dragon Ball Z, and I remember 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.800 being pissed because I hated Dragon Ball Z and I 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.760 loved Sailor Moon. And now as an adult, I have 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.240 I have expanded my palette. I also have come to 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.160 love Dragon Ball and dragon Ball Z. But Sailor Moon 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.480 and Pokemon were probably my first experiences with anime. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.480 What's the first live action anime you have adaptation that 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:38.640 you Yes? 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.560 Okay, so I have seen the dragon Ball Z live 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.120 action adaptation. It wasn't the first one that I saw. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.560 I think the first one that I saw was either 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.680 it has to have either been the Death Note or 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.160 the Sailor Moon live action adaptations, and they were around 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.520 the same time, so I can't remember from Japan. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.440 From Japan and those are I have to say, we'll give. 0:03:59.960 --> 0:04:02.560 You hope, Yes, they will give you her an anime adaptation, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.800 and I think that's going to be a really interesting 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.640 thing to talk about today because a lot of us 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.000 did grow up. I am, you know, I slightly let's say, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.600 I'm slightly older than both of you, so my my 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.640 how to watch anime was a little different. My family 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.520 also did not have cable. I did have a VHS 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.839 copy of A Kira, so that was definitely you know, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.000 I was blessed by being introduced into a classic, truly, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.960 the unbelievably sacred text and obviously blew my mind. I 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.520 think the first live action anime adaptation that I saw 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.440 out at least and remember really watching was a I 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.400 really wanted to see Tony. They had made all these 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.520 Tony adaptations. She is a beautiful, mysterious woman who every 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.080 time she shows up mango crazy and people get killed. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.680 She was a school student who was you know, betrayed 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.200 by her friends. It's a junge Eto classic and I'd 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.680 read all the books and again, that will give you 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.479 hope if you have a certain kind of taste, and 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.640 I think that is what we need to get into next. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.280 So ian to you, what do you want from a 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.680 great live action anime remake like what would make that 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.080 work for you? Have you seen one before that kind 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.520 of does capture the magic? 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.000 What are you looking for in it? 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.680 For me? I think above all is faithfulness to the 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.880 source material. You know, there you can tweak things and 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.000 update things and moderniz things, because I know a lot 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.560 of certain animes are from you know, the nineties or 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.600 early two thousands, so especially if you're going to make 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.640 something in today's modern age, you know, of course you're 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.400 going to make changes. But I think being faithful to 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.840 the source material is first for me. And then you know, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.880 I think also you want to see some of these 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.359 fantastical elements or powers or characters or settings brought to 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.880 life in a real and compelling way. So I think, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.640 you know, not cheaping out on some of the special 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.599 effects or the production design, you like, really putting money 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.760 into it to make it look like it's real. So 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.480 I think those are the kind of the two top 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.560 tier things. And then obviously you want good acting. You 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.240 want to hire people who are going to do good casting. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.520 So I think those are kind of like the three pillars, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.400 you know, putting enough money into the budget for production 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.320 wise to make sure it looks as good as it 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.120 can faithfulenss and the source material, and then you got 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:21.960 to nail the casting. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.960 Yeah, yeah, I love that. 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.800 Common What did the live action anime that you saw 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.599 and that you loved, What did they make you look 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.719 for when you were kind of expanding out to other 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.440 live action adaptations of these Japanese animed shows. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:44.279 Yeah, I'm I'm looking for a creative interpretation of the 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.520 source material. Of course, I want it to be faithful 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.080 to the source material, as Ian said, But I do 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:54.640 think you know, when animation has animation of course as 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.839 a medium that you can do a lot with that 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.880 you can't do with the live action for sure. But 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.080 how is the live action going to overcome that? And 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.359 I hope that it does that in a way that 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.440 is creative, that doesn't take me too much out of 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.160 the experience of watching it, you know, and like we 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:12.960 said that, you know, pay. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.160 Good for the visual effects. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.280 I also think we'll talk to we'll talk more in 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.360 a little bit about where it kind of goes wrong. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.040 But that also creative interpretations of character design also, I 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.160 think are going to be important as well. We have 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.080 to say, like a lot of the anime characters are 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.120 so some of their character designs are super unrealistic and 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.200 very hard to pull off for a live action format. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.920 But yeah, yeah, and also kind of touching on what 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.000 you said earlier, Ian like, some of them are like 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.160 racist and they play into racist character tropes and stuff. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.800 And so one of the anime adaptations, the rare good 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.360 American adaptations that I know we will touch on and 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.080 I'm going to just bring up here is one piece 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.760 which did reimagine a lot of those really problematic things 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.480 and kind of bring a new element in new aspect 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.840 to it, which doesn't often happen. So something I'm going 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.600 to bring up now before we talk about where some 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.680 of these don't work is I think the biggest issue 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.640 here is a storytelling challenge and a difference in production 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.920 design culture, because, for example, I am a big lover 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:16.800 of many Japanese anime adaptations, but if you watch them, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.440 for example, you know some of the really fun ones 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.880 that I've written about over the years, like JoJo's Bizarre 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.880 Adventure Diamond is Unbreakable. The wigs are crazy, the costumes 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.520 are looking kind of cheap, but it captures the bizarreness 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.840 of what you want from the story. It feels real, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.559 and so I think that for a long time through 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.840 the zeros and the nineties, we were getting more of 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:43.080 those Japanese style like crazy wig silly costumes, like a 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.960 lot of the early Japanese Death Note movies fall into that, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.120 even though they are guys really great with incredible storytelling, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.600 so that for me, the production quality can be low 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.920 if the creativity and feel of the comic is captured. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.680 But I will say we are entering a new era 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.360 now because Netflix is not only running obviously, like the 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.640 one piece of adaptation is pretty much seen so far 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.000 as our best American anime adaptation, and I think that 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.840 can be a great way to lead into guys, what 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.240 are some of the worst, which we'll touch on next. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.080 But something that Netflix is doing is they are now 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:24.200 adapting Korean web tunes mana manga, and they are and 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.160 they're licensing incredible, high quality adaptations from Japan. So things 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.880 like Alice in Borderline, that was Alice in Bordland. That's 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.800 an incredible show, great production value, super scary, and that 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.520 is an adaptation of a comic book of for manga, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.600 there is the Korean web series that was adapted into 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.360 hell Bound, which is one of the scariest horror ca 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.600 dramas that we've had for years, so we're in a 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.560 new era of it. And I think this kind of 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.320 idea of Dragonball Evolution and then you know Tony or 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:00.839 the Nana Action nineties anime adaptation or Zero's those kind 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.240 of have a corniness that to us is nostalgic. Same 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.720 with Common I own some of the Saloon ones, but 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.560 I do think we're now in an era where these 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.280 could be truly becoming masterpieces and starting to get a 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.079 little bit more of an understanding that like around the world, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.000 K drama, JA drama, a lot of them have always 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.880 been drawing from comic books, you know. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.559 So so let's talk a little bit about some. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.000 Of the worst of the worst that we all know 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.880 and despise and have talked about many times. Ian just 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.240 list off a few of the anime adaptations from America 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.040 that have not worked, and then we can talk about 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:34.240 the reasons we think that is. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.840 Sure, Bill, we already touched on it. The Dragonball Evolution 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.360 movie not great. Ghost in the Shell with scar Joe 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:42.839 not great. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.760 She could even play a tree, guys, she could play anything. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.880 Believe in that Avatar the Last Airbender. Some might say, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.960 maybe that's not quite anime. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.680 But controversial because it's not technically an anime. But I 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.600 do think it falls into all the exact same problems. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:58.680 So I think you believe it is. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.160 Both the movie and and the Netflix series have issues 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.640 You Hockey Show Netflix adaptation, and that's and oh yes, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.360 that one was painful for me because you U Hockey 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.480 Show is my favorite anime of all time and that. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.559 Is a that's a that's a Japanese adaptation too, right, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.120 It's still so still felt what did they miss? 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:24.280 They condensed the plot so much into like four or 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.480 five episodes, and they just didn't give it enough time 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.520 to breathe because there's so many episodes in the like 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.280 some of the arcs are really long, and they can 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.800 they condensed it down to the point where they're cutting 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.720 out huge chunks of the story, huge chunks of the 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.800 character development, character moments. So it's like, if we're gonna 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.880 do it that way, it's like almost not worth doing 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.600 because I could just watch the original and get the 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:45.960 full story, you know. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.720 Is it additive? I think that's a really great point. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.520 Common you know what, what was some of those real 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.120 stinkers that made you think, oh, people shouldn't be doing this. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.760 I mean, of course, the very first one that I 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.000 ever saw was that Dragon Ball Z the Evolution. But 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.640 I'm going to take it all the way back to 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:08.760 remember speed Racer. That's probably one of the very first 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.880 bad live action American animal Well, I. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.120 Just need to say, guys, this is I want to 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.960 warn comment of this. This is a controversial topic. It 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.920 has over the years. It has garnered a cult following. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.679 But I will say I am definitely on the side 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.520 of you. Is not my favorite Wachowski Brothers. It's not 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.720 my favorite Sisters movie, and it is not something that 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.400 I connect to in the way that so many do. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:36.760 But watch out common that could be. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:42.640 A sorry sorry, yeah, no no, But I think it's 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.080 interesting because before we jump to an ad break quickly 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.720 and then come back with some of the ones we love. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.560 I'm going to say I think one of the biggest 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.640 issues there is a cultural misunderstanding of what the stories 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.400 are about. It's not you know, obviously all of these 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.320 have issues with whitewashing, right, and that's a lot of 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.960 times is the biggest issue. Dragon Ball Evolution and stuff 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.400 like that. Shell They often try to use this idea 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.959 of internationalizing a cost by widening the cost. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:10.559 But also the. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.679 Reason Ghost in the Shell sucks when America makes it 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.200 is because Ghost in the Shell is a very specific 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.560 Japanese story about the way that technology becomes the center 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.000 of your universe after you are essentially, you know, stonewalled 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.600 out of the international global conflicts after World War Two, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.480 Like you can't make that if you won World War two. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.840 And it's just like this is the coolest step. So 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.520 I think, really like there's everything can kind of be 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.760 put back to that. But yeah, I'm really excited to 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.720 come back and talk about some that we love. So 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.800 let's go to an ad break and then we'll come 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.640 back and I'll be asking mean Common about that fave 0:13:45.960 --> 0:14:05.680 anime adaptations. Yeah, we're back, Common, Why don't you guess started, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.760 what's your fave live action adaptation that you would recommend 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.360 to somebody who maybe hasn't even watched a lot of anime. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.160 What's just a great movie? Yeah, or great TV show? 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.320 So you know, going back to Ian we talked about 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.520 it before. Netflix is kind of leading the pack here 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.280 they in terms of production design. Now because of that 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.760 production design, I think that again we only see like 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.320 maybe six eight episodes tops usually of a series, but 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.720 one that I really loved on Netflix, and I'm really 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.960 glad that we have the opportunity to talk about this. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:37.320 Now. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.920 It's me to Parasite, and I'm not sure if you 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.040 watched the Japanese anime. This is a Korean live action, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.960 not a remake, but it's actually a continuation of the story, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.080 which I find even cooler about about it. And I 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.880 think that's another area where these remakes or whatever can 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.360 do better is maybe just continuing the story. So this 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:08.160 is exactly this is what happens in the Parasite the 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.000 Gray story. But if it happened, well, what did happen 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.600 in Korea? And so the Parasite series, it's an anime 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.880 where there's like this alien invasion that takes over people's brains. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.280 There's this one guy who gets the parasite that doesn't 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.480 go to his brain successfully, it goes to his hand 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.600 and it talks to him and it becomes like a companion. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.920 Well there's somebody else in Korea. The same thing has 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.520 happened in Seoul, Korea, and so it's very I'm not 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.960 going to spoil anything, but you know, because this two 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.560 stories continued, they have a way that they could possibly 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.280 converge in the future. So I think it's really cool. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.560 This is a really cool example of live action anime 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.960 going well, because you've got the anime, which is really great, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.040 and then you've got the live action which is really great, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.880 and then they kind of compliment each other and they 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.480 could possibly end up continuing the story together. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.000 So nice. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.720 That's really fun. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.360 Ian, what's one that you've watched that's blown you away 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.240 and made you think, hey, maybe there's more of these 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.640 that are worth kind of telling. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.160 So this one's gonna be. It's a more recent example, 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.640 and I think it's for someone who maybe is not 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.800 super into anime or isn't super well versed. I think 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.320 this is a good like entry point, like low bar 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.760 of entry, really easy way to get into it. Detective Pikachu, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.640 I think was very successful and they did a very 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.960 good job. You know, obviously, Ryan Reynolds is very charismatic 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.000 and everybody loves him. But I also think the way 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.280 they designed all the Pokemon and integrated them in the 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.760 integrated them into, you know, the real world, and just 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:46.600 the embodiment of the kinds of stories that Pokemon games 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.000 and even the animated series try to tell. I think 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.560 that it was just a very successful adaptation. It's obviously 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.000 geared towards kids, but it's as an adult. I still 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.800 really enjoyed it. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:57.360 Yeah. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.480 It was three times. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.400 Yeah, I've watched it multiple times, and I think they 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.919 just did a really good job of embodying kind of 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.639 the essence of Pokemon. They nailed the character designs. I 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.520 feel like it was faithful to what we all know 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.359 and understand Pokemon to be. And I think they nailed 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.920 the casting. So I think that was just a great 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.719 example of and they didn't try to do too much. 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.280 It's a pretty simple story, yeah, and they nailed it. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.359 So I think that's a great example of one that 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.080 did work. Yeah. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.439 I would also say, so I'm going to basically just 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.639 like be a nerd and be like, did you know 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:29.359 this was. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.960 Based on a manger or you know, because there's so 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.359 many great recommendations. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.200 But yeah, I mean, Aaron and Aboo both popping some 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.080 really good ones in here. Elite a Battle Angel, there 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:46.360 was an unbeloved Anime OVA adaptation, and for a lot 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.919 of people, the Robert Rodriguez version also very interestingly a 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.959 version that adapted the comic very faithfully because the comic 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.439 is actually set in an international kind of slum land 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.440 underneath a sky city. So there they did a really 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.760 interesting job of who they cast and who they didn't cast. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.159 I am not the hugest fan of the movie, but 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.440 it is so beloved and I love that people love it. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.639 That's a great one. I love Edge of Tomorrow. We 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:17.919 will be getting a new will be So it's based 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.280 on a light novel that was turned into a manga 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.440 at some point was adapt an anime and now there is Yeah, 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.760 there is Kill. It was originally called Kill. I think 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:32.120 it's Kill Die Repeat, and that is actually now being 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.760 adapted as in another manga which looks gorgeous. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:39.280 All you Need is Kill, Thank you Yes, And that 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.359 is really great. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.919 One of my favorites that I really adore that I 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.399 always recommend to people is Battle Reale, iconic Japanese movie 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.920 by Kiinjin Kinji Fukusawa, one of my favorite directors, was 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.960 a huge influence on me. It came out in two 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.560 thousand based on a manga that was based on a book, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.800 and there is anime episodes about Orel too that you 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.880 can watch, and basically it's about kids who are put 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.480 on an island and have to fight each other to 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:17.359 solve Japan's issues with overpopulation and TEENAGEU and juvenile teenage culture. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.320 It's very cool, very dystopian, extremely influential and just beautifully shot. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.080 Still one of my old time favorite movies. But yeah, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.159 I mean there's so many guys. Lady Snowblood, do you 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:25.800 love that movie? 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.000 Guess What? Based on a comic. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.960 Old Boy based on a manga, and that manger of 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.159 Old Boy is just unbelievable. It's so beautiful attack on 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.480 Titan live action movie. I know loads of people who 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.679 really really enjoyed it. It's again, it's a bit more 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.159 of that old school, a little bit crazy kind of looking. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.320 But yeah, there are so many I'm so excited for this. Guys, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.200 are there any anime that you're watching right now, can 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.040 be old or new that you would just love to recommend. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:50.879 People before we wrap up? 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:58.480 Hmm, Cormon could be a good time for a little 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.439 Nana love, because you did spark off a lot of 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:02.520 people in the chat with you. 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.560 Yeah, I was trying to think if there was anything 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:09.280 other than Nana, But yeah, I definitely have been going 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.600 back to watch Nana. I have always enjoyed the aesthetic 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.400 of Nana as a Favian West with lover. But now 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.000 that it is in its twentieth anniversary, I have gone 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:24.040 back and started watching the anime on Hulu. I believe 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:25.720 you can stream it, so check it out. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.080 Yeah nice, Yeah, it's great. It's about great rosy ways. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.880 Girls who meet each other on the train and one 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.959 is punk rock and one is like all kind of 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:41.680 like Lolita, kind of like dainty style, and they're both 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.040 named Nana, so. 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.240 They are and we love them Ian, how about you. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.160 I'm currently in the middle of my annual you hockey 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.119 show Rewatch. I know I already mentioned it earlier, but 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.359 it is. It is my favorite, and I'm just in 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.480 the middle of the rewatch right now. I'm the chapter 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.639 Black Saga, so I'm loving it and yeah, it's I 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.840 just wish they could nail that in live action, but 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.439 I understand why it's difficult because some of some of 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.240 the things we mentioned, like some of the character designs 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.000 are insane, and it's like, I don't know how you 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.320