1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Warning warning. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Today's episode making day spoilers for multiple live action anime adaptations, 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: so beware. Plus, after our chat, I'll be interviewing award 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: winning horror and comics author Stephen Graham Jones. Hello, my 5 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: name is Rosie Knight, and welcome back to X ray Vision, 6 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: the podcast where we dive peek into your favorite shows, movies, 7 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: comics and pop culture. We're coming to you from iHeart Podcast, 8 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: where we'll be bringing you three episodes. 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: A week, and it's on Saturdays. 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: In today's episode, I am joined by Carmen and Ian 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: to discuss something I'm always trying to talk about, which 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: is anime and in this case, the conundrum of live 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: action anime adaptations. 14 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: Ian in common, welcome in. How are you doing today? 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: So good? 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: I've got my my wig on, I've got my anime 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: girl makeup on. 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: You wearing a little sailor moon wearing outfit out. 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: I'm ready to do a transformation. 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: Let's do it. 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: I am all. I mean I'm also wearing a ginger 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: Eto sweater, so I guess we realize apparently case, I've. 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: Been wanting to say, that is a very cute swettter 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: you have on. 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: Thank you this is this is actually a junge Eto 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: drop Dead, which is like an emo band lead singer. 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: So it's even sillier, even sillier and more emo than 28 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: a junge Eto is usually. Okay, let's jump in, guys Ian, 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: I want to start with you, what is your first 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: memory of watching an anime? And then what was the 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: first live action anime remake that you saw? 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: Okay, so, I think mine is going to be similar 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: for a lot of young American men who are of 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 4: a certain age. It's got dragon Ball Z was the 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 4: first for me on Twnami Classic, you know, weekday afternoons 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: after school. I would run home and put it on. 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: So that was, like, I think, really one of my 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 4: first exposures to anime. And you know, I remember watching 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 4: the series all the way through and couldn't wait to 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: get home to see the next episode. It's like, oh, 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: gohans still charging up this Okay? Cool? And then the 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: first live action remake that I can think of, I 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 4: think it might be that also, Dragon Ball Z. That 44 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: that first live action movie they. 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: Did, Cursed dragon ball I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. Yeah, 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: guessing that did not give you a great feeling around 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: the nature of possibility. Of anime beautiful boy common how 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: about you. 49 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: You know it's funny I brings up Dragon Ball Z 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: because I was on the opposite end of us spectrum tunami. Famously, 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: if you made it home from school early enough, you 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: could catch Sailor Moon. And if I was late if. 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 4: School memories of Moon too. 54 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: Yes, if the school bus was running late that day, though, 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: I had to watch Dragon Ball Z, and I remember 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: being pissed because I hated Dragon Ball Z and I 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: loved Sailor Moon. And now as an adult, I have 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: I have expanded my palette. I also have come to 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: love Dragon Ball and dragon Ball Z. But Sailor Moon 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: and Pokemon were probably my first experiences with anime. 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: What's the first live action anime you have adaptation that 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: you Yes? 63 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: Okay, so I have seen the dragon Ball Z live 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: action adaptation. It wasn't the first one that I saw. 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: I think the first one that I saw was either 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: it has to have either been the Death Note or 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: the Sailor Moon live action adaptations, and they were around 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: the same time, so I can't remember from Japan. 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: From Japan and those are I have to say, we'll give. 70 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: You hope, Yes, they will give you her an anime adaptation, 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be a really interesting 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: thing to talk about today because a lot of us 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: did grow up. I am, you know, I slightly let's say, 74 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm slightly older than both of you, so my my 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: how to watch anime was a little different. My family 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: also did not have cable. I did have a VHS 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: copy of A Kira, so that was definitely you know, 78 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: I was blessed by being introduced into a classic, truly, 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: the unbelievably sacred text and obviously blew my mind. I 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: think the first live action anime adaptation that I saw 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: out at least and remember really watching was a I 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: really wanted to see Tony. They had made all these 83 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: Tony adaptations. She is a beautiful, mysterious woman who every 84 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: time she shows up mango crazy and people get killed. 85 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: She was a school student who was you know, betrayed 86 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: by her friends. It's a junge Eto classic and I'd 87 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: read all the books and again, that will give you 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: hope if you have a certain kind of taste, and 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: I think that is what we need to get into next. 90 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: So ian to you, what do you want from a 91 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: great live action anime remake like what would make that 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: work for you? Have you seen one before that kind 93 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: of does capture the magic? 94 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: What are you looking for in it? 95 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: For me? I think above all is faithfulness to the 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: source material. You know, there you can tweak things and 97 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: update things and moderniz things, because I know a lot 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: of certain animes are from you know, the nineties or 99 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 4: early two thousands, so especially if you're going to make 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: something in today's modern age, you know, of course you're 101 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: going to make changes. But I think being faithful to 102 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 4: the source material is first for me. And then you know, 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: I think also you want to see some of these 104 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 4: fantastical elements or powers or characters or settings brought to 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: life in a real and compelling way. So I think, 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: you know, not cheaping out on some of the special 107 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 4: effects or the production design, you like, really putting money 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: into it to make it look like it's real. So 109 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: I think those are the kind of the two top 110 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: tier things. And then obviously you want good acting. You 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: want to hire people who are going to do good casting. 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: So I think those are kind of like the three pillars, 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: you know, putting enough money into the budget for production 114 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: wise to make sure it looks as good as it 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: can faithfulenss and the source material, and then you got 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 4: to nail the casting. 117 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that. 118 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: Common What did the live action anime that you saw 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: and that you loved, What did they make you look 120 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: for when you were kind of expanding out to other 121 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: live action adaptations of these Japanese animed shows. 122 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm looking for a creative interpretation of the 123 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: source material. Of course, I want it to be faithful 124 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: to the source material, as Ian said, But I do 125 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: think you know, when animation has animation of course as 126 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: a medium that you can do a lot with that 127 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: you can't do with the live action for sure. But 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: how is the live action going to overcome that? And 129 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 3: I hope that it does that in a way that 130 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: is creative, that doesn't take me too much out of 131 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: the experience of watching it, you know, and like we 132 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: said that, you know, pay. 133 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: Good for the visual effects. 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: I also think we'll talk to we'll talk more in 135 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: a little bit about where it kind of goes wrong. 136 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: But that also creative interpretations of character design also, I 137 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: think are going to be important as well. We have 138 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: to say, like a lot of the anime characters are 139 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: so some of their character designs are super unrealistic and 140 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: very hard to pull off for a live action format. 141 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and also kind of touching on what 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: you said earlier, Ian like, some of them are like 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: racist and they play into racist character tropes and stuff. 144 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: And so one of the anime adaptations, the rare good 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: American adaptations that I know we will touch on and 146 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to just bring up here is one piece 147 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: which did reimagine a lot of those really problematic things 148 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: and kind of bring a new element in new aspect 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: to it, which doesn't often happen. So something I'm going 150 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: to bring up now before we talk about where some 151 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: of these don't work is I think the biggest issue 152 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: here is a storytelling challenge and a difference in production 153 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: design culture, because, for example, I am a big lover 154 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: of many Japanese anime adaptations, but if you watch them, 155 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: for example, you know some of the really fun ones 156 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: that I've written about over the years, like JoJo's Bizarre 157 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: Adventure Diamond is Unbreakable. The wigs are crazy, the costumes 158 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: are looking kind of cheap, but it captures the bizarreness 159 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: of what you want from the story. It feels real, 160 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: and so I think that for a long time through 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: the zeros and the nineties, we were getting more of 162 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: those Japanese style like crazy wig silly costumes, like a 163 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: lot of the early Japanese Death Note movies fall into that, 164 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: even though they are guys really great with incredible storytelling, 165 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: so that for me, the production quality can be low 166 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: if the creativity and feel of the comic is captured. 167 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: But I will say we are entering a new era 168 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: now because Netflix is not only running obviously, like the 169 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: one piece of adaptation is pretty much seen so far 170 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: as our best American anime adaptation, and I think that 171 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: can be a great way to lead into guys, what 172 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: are some of the worst, which we'll touch on next. 173 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: But something that Netflix is doing is they are now 174 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: adapting Korean web tunes mana manga, and they are and 175 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: they're licensing incredible, high quality adaptations from Japan. So things 176 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: like Alice in Borderline, that was Alice in Bordland. That's 177 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: an incredible show, great production value, super scary, and that 178 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: is an adaptation of a comic book of for manga, 179 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: there is the Korean web series that was adapted into 180 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: hell Bound, which is one of the scariest horror ca 181 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: dramas that we've had for years, so we're in a 182 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: new era of it. And I think this kind of 183 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: idea of Dragonball Evolution and then you know Tony or 184 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: the Nana Action nineties anime adaptation or Zero's those kind 185 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: of have a corniness that to us is nostalgic. Same 186 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: with Common I own some of the Saloon ones, but 187 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: I do think we're now in an era where these 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: could be truly becoming masterpieces and starting to get a 189 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: little bit more of an understanding that like around the world, 190 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: K drama, JA drama, a lot of them have always 191 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: been drawing from comic books, you know. 192 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: So so let's talk a little bit about some. 193 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: Of the worst of the worst that we all know 194 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: and despise and have talked about many times. Ian just 195 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: list off a few of the anime adaptations from America 196 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: that have not worked, and then we can talk about 197 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: the reasons we think that is. 198 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: Sure, Bill, we already touched on it. The Dragonball Evolution 199 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: movie not great. Ghost in the Shell with scar Joe 200 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 4: not great. 201 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: She could even play a tree, guys, she could play anything. 202 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: Believe in that Avatar the Last Airbender. Some might say, 203 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 4: maybe that's not quite anime. 204 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: But controversial because it's not technically an anime. But I 205 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: do think it falls into all the exact same problems. 206 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: So I think you believe it is. 207 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: Both the movie and and the Netflix series have issues 208 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: You Hockey Show Netflix adaptation, and that's and oh yes, 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: that one was painful for me because you U Hockey 210 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: Show is my favorite anime of all time and that. 211 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: Is a that's a that's a Japanese adaptation too, right, 212 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: It's still so still felt what did they miss? 213 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 4: They condensed the plot so much into like four or 214 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: five episodes, and they just didn't give it enough time 215 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: to breathe because there's so many episodes in the like 216 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: some of the arcs are really long, and they can 217 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: they condensed it down to the point where they're cutting 218 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: out huge chunks of the story, huge chunks of the 219 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: character development, character moments. So it's like, if we're gonna 220 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: do it that way, it's like almost not worth doing 221 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 4: because I could just watch the original and get the 222 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: full story, you know. 223 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Is it additive? I think that's a really great point. 224 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: Common you know what, what was some of those real 225 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: stinkers that made you think, oh, people shouldn't be doing this. 226 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: I mean, of course, the very first one that I 227 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: ever saw was that Dragon Ball Z the Evolution. But 228 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to take it all the way back to 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: remember speed Racer. That's probably one of the very first 230 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: bad live action American animal Well, I. 231 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: Just need to say, guys, this is I want to 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: warn comment of this. This is a controversial topic. It 233 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: has over the years. It has garnered a cult following. 234 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: But I will say I am definitely on the side 235 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: of you. Is not my favorite Wachowski Brothers. It's not 236 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: my favorite Sisters movie, and it is not something that 237 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: I connect to in the way that so many do. 238 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: But watch out common that could be. 239 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: A sorry sorry, yeah, no no, But I think it's 240 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: interesting because before we jump to an ad break quickly 241 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: and then come back with some of the ones we love. 242 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to say I think one of the biggest 243 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: issues there is a cultural misunderstanding of what the stories 244 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: are about. It's not you know, obviously all of these 245 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: have issues with whitewashing, right, and that's a lot of 246 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: times is the biggest issue. Dragon Ball Evolution and stuff 247 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: like that. Shell They often try to use this idea 248 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: of internationalizing a cost by widening the cost. 249 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: But also the. 250 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: Reason Ghost in the Shell sucks when America makes it 251 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: is because Ghost in the Shell is a very specific 252 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: Japanese story about the way that technology becomes the center 253 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: of your universe after you are essentially, you know, stonewalled 254 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: out of the international global conflicts after World War Two, 255 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Like you can't make that if you won World War two. 256 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: And it's just like this is the coolest step. So 257 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: I think, really like there's everything can kind of be 258 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: put back to that. But yeah, I'm really excited to 259 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: come back and talk about some that we love. So 260 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: let's go to an ad break and then we'll come 261 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: back and I'll be asking mean Common about that fave 262 00:13:45,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: anime adaptations. Yeah, we're back, Common, Why don't you guess started, 263 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: what's your fave live action adaptation that you would recommend 264 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: to somebody who maybe hasn't even watched a lot of anime. 265 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: What's just a great movie? Yeah, or great TV show? 266 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: So you know, going back to Ian we talked about 267 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: it before. Netflix is kind of leading the pack here 268 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: they in terms of production design. Now because of that 269 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: production design, I think that again we only see like 270 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: maybe six eight episodes tops usually of a series, but 271 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: one that I really loved on Netflix, and I'm really 272 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: glad that we have the opportunity to talk about this. 273 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 6: Now. 274 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: It's me to Parasite, and I'm not sure if you 275 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: watched the Japanese anime. This is a Korean live action, 276 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: not a remake, but it's actually a continuation of the story, 277 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: which I find even cooler about about it. And I 278 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: think that's another area where these remakes or whatever can 279 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: do better is maybe just continuing the story. So this 280 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: is exactly this is what happens in the Parasite the 281 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: Gray story. But if it happened, well, what did happen 282 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: in Korea? And so the Parasite series, it's an anime 283 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: where there's like this alien invasion that takes over people's brains. 284 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: There's this one guy who gets the parasite that doesn't 285 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: go to his brain successfully, it goes to his hand 286 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: and it talks to him and it becomes like a companion. 287 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: Well there's somebody else in Korea. The same thing has 288 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: happened in Seoul, Korea, and so it's very I'm not 289 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: going to spoil anything, but you know, because this two 290 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: stories continued, they have a way that they could possibly 291 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: converge in the future. So I think it's really cool. 292 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: This is a really cool example of live action anime 293 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: going well, because you've got the anime, which is really great, 294 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: and then you've got the live action which is really great, 295 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: and then they kind of compliment each other and they 296 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: could possibly end up continuing the story together. 297 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 5: So nice. 298 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: That's really fun. 299 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Ian, what's one that you've watched that's blown you away 300 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: and made you think, hey, maybe there's more of these 301 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: that are worth kind of telling. 302 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 4: So this one's gonna be. It's a more recent example, 303 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: and I think it's for someone who maybe is not 304 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: super into anime or isn't super well versed. I think 305 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: this is a good like entry point, like low bar 306 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 4: of entry, really easy way to get into it. Detective Pikachu, 307 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: I think was very successful and they did a very 308 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: good job. You know, obviously, Ryan Reynolds is very charismatic 309 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: and everybody loves him. But I also think the way 310 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: they designed all the Pokemon and integrated them in the 311 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 4: integrated them into, you know, the real world, and just 312 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: the embodiment of the kinds of stories that Pokemon games 313 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 4: and even the animated series try to tell. I think 314 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: that it was just a very successful adaptation. It's obviously 315 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: geared towards kids, but it's as an adult. I still 316 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: really enjoyed it. 317 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 7: Yeah. 318 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: It was three times. 319 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've watched it multiple times, and I think they 320 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 4: just did a really good job of embodying kind of 321 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: the essence of Pokemon. They nailed the character designs. I 322 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 4: feel like it was faithful to what we all know 323 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: and understand Pokemon to be. And I think they nailed 324 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: the casting. So I think that was just a great 325 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 4: example of and they didn't try to do too much. 326 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: It's a pretty simple story, yeah, and they nailed it. 327 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: So I think that's a great example of one that 328 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: did work. Yeah. 329 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: I would also say, so I'm going to basically just 330 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: like be a nerd and be like, did you know 331 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: this was. 332 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Based on a manger or you know, because there's so 333 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: many great recommendations. 334 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, Aaron and Aboo both popping some 335 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: really good ones in here. Elite a Battle Angel, there 336 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: was an unbeloved Anime OVA adaptation, and for a lot 337 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: of people, the Robert Rodriguez version also very interestingly a 338 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 2: version that adapted the comic very faithfully because the comic 339 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 2: is actually set in an international kind of slum land 340 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: underneath a sky city. So there they did a really 341 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: interesting job of who they cast and who they didn't cast. 342 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: I am not the hugest fan of the movie, but 343 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: it is so beloved and I love that people love it. 344 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: That's a great one. I love Edge of Tomorrow. We 345 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: will be getting a new will be So it's based 346 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: on a light novel that was turned into a manga 347 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: at some point was adapt an anime and now there is Yeah, 348 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: there is Kill. It was originally called Kill. I think 349 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: it's Kill Die Repeat, and that is actually now being 350 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: adapted as in another manga which looks gorgeous. 351 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: All you Need is Kill, Thank you Yes, And that 352 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: is really great. 353 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 2: One of my favorites that I really adore that I 354 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: always recommend to people is Battle Reale, iconic Japanese movie 355 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: by Kiinjin Kinji Fukusawa, one of my favorite directors, was 356 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: a huge influence on me. It came out in two 357 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: thousand based on a manga that was based on a book, 358 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: and there is anime episodes about Orel too that you 359 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: can watch, and basically it's about kids who are put 360 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: on an island and have to fight each other to 361 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: solve Japan's issues with overpopulation and TEENAGEU and juvenile teenage culture. 362 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: It's very cool, very dystopian, extremely influential and just beautifully shot. 363 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: Still one of my old time favorite movies. But yeah, 364 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: I mean there's so many guys. Lady Snowblood, do you 365 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: love that movie? 366 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Guess What? Based on a comic. 367 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: Old Boy based on a manga, and that manger of 368 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: Old Boy is just unbelievable. It's so beautiful attack on 369 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: Titan live action movie. I know loads of people who 370 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: really really enjoyed it. It's again, it's a bit more 371 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: of that old school, a little bit crazy kind of looking. 372 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, there are so many I'm so excited for this. Guys, 373 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: are there any anime that you're watching right now, can 374 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: be old or new that you would just love to recommend. 375 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: People before we wrap up? 376 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: Hmm, Cormon could be a good time for a little 377 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: Nana love, because you did spark off a lot of 378 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: people in the chat with you. 379 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to think if there was anything 380 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: other than Nana, But yeah, I definitely have been going 381 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: back to watch Nana. I have always enjoyed the aesthetic 382 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: of Nana as a Favian West with lover. But now 383 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: that it is in its twentieth anniversary, I have gone 384 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: back and started watching the anime on Hulu. I believe 385 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: you can stream it, so check it out. 386 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah nice, Yeah, it's great. It's about great rosy ways. 387 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: Girls who meet each other on the train and one 388 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 3: is punk rock and one is like all kind of 389 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: like Lolita, kind of like dainty style, and they're both 390 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: named Nana, so. 391 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: They are and we love them Ian, how about you. 392 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 4: I'm currently in the middle of my annual you hockey 393 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: show Rewatch. I know I already mentioned it earlier, but 394 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 4: it is. It is my favorite, and I'm just in 395 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: the middle of the rewatch right now. I'm the chapter 396 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 4: Black Saga, so I'm loving it and yeah, it's I 397 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 4: just wish they could nail that in live action, but 398 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 4: I understand why it's difficult because some of some of 399 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: the things we mentioned, like some of the character designs 400 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: are insane, and it's like, I don't know how you 401 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: do that in live action. 402 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, without it looking exactly crazy. So yeah, one day 403 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: we'll get there. I love that one we will. 404 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: Aboo is sad that nobody mentioned my hero Academia. The 405 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: final season obviously huge, huge release going on right now. 406 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: I am currently. 407 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: Doing a lot of work on a lot of best 408 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: of most anticipated lists, so I have been watching really 409 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: great animated came out this year, like Sakamoto Days and 410 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: The Apocryphy Diaries, which I love. Can't wait for the 411 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: new season of that delicious in Dungeon. Guess what, guys, 412 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: you don't even I love Crunchy Role. I have a 413 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: Crunchy Roll account and yes, Aaron I too want to 414 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: do in Dungeon live action show. I also want a 415 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Sakamoto Days live action show that is a cheap jay drama. Guys, 416 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: you can make that so easily in a seven eleven set. 417 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: I just thought of a really good one that they 418 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: have done, which is the Diary of a house Husband 419 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: or Life of a house I don't know why that 420 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: came to me in the very last minute, but check 421 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: that out, you know. 422 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: Super fun Vignette manga an anime series about execuser who 423 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: is now a house husband and the kind of shenanigans 424 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: he gets up. 425 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: To a stage. It's super fun series where they have 426 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: live action is really good. Yeah, and it's even easy 427 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: to watch on YouTube. 428 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: Listeners, please let us know in the discord what anime 429 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: adaptations you want to find in your stocking this year 430 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: and what your faves are. 431 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: So yes, join us. 432 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: Thank you Carmen and Ian for going through the perils 433 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: of doing live action adaptations of anime. And up next 434 00:22:43,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: my interview with one of my favorite authors, Stephen Graham Jones. Steven, 435 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on Extra Vision 436 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 2: this morning. 437 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here. 438 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: Grilled to be here, Thanks for having me. 439 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a huge, huge fan of your work and 440 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: we've gotten to talk before at places like Noticed about 441 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: your love of comics, and could you talk a little 442 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: bit about how you went from being somebody who loved 443 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: reading and loved writing and loved comics to somebody who 444 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: actually creates all of those things and is also a teacher. 445 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 446 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 7: I never planned to be a writer. I was just 447 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 7: going to be a farmer and drive tractor. So it's 448 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 7: really completely random, and I ended up doing all this 449 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 7: stuff I'm doing. It still feels still feels weird, like 450 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 7: like I fell asleep and this is all a dream, 451 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 7: you know, And I still feel like I should be 452 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 7: just like I should be driving tractor. 453 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: But really what driving tractor. 454 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 7: Was for me was just being on attractor for sixteen 455 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 7: hours and telling lies and having fun. And that's really 456 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 7: what I'm doing still, you know. So it's just the 457 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 7: rose I'm flowing across the page these days. 458 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 5: But as for how I. 459 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 7: Went, how I made that transition, it's just a series 460 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 7: of ridiculous, stupid accidents, you know. It's nothing intentional on 461 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 7: my part. 462 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the way I think that people don't 463 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: realize is so much of being somebody who tells stories 464 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: and gets to be creative is luck to some points, 465 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 2: because it's about how do you fall into it? 466 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: Do you meet? 467 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: I am a huge fan of all of your writing, 468 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: but I would love to know a little bit about 469 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: kind of when in your process it felt like horror 470 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 2: and genre was really going to be the space that 471 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: you were kind of most interested in exploring. 472 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 7: When I went to grad school from undergrad, I didn't 473 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 7: know what grad school was. My professors had explained it 474 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 7: to me, and I finally decided, Okay, I'll go to 475 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 7: grad school if I want me to go so bad. 476 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 7: But I may have promised myself that I will only 477 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 7: go if I'm there in ninja mode, like I want 478 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 7: to sneak in and steal all the craft I can 479 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 7: and smuggle it back out to Western fantasy, horror, science fiction, 480 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 7: all the genre stuff that that I loved. Then I 481 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 7: got into grad school, you know, master's and PhD, and 482 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 7: of course I fell in love with all the stuff 483 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 7: they were teaching me there, you know. And so I 484 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 7: feel like I I didn't lose my way. I don't 485 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 7: think you ever really, I don't think you ever really 486 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 7: lose your way as a writer. I just went down 487 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 7: some different roads for a while, you know. 488 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: And my my. 489 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 7: Very first the first novel I wrote, I wrote it 490 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 7: in ninety let's see, I wrote it ninety eight, came 491 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 7: out in two thousand, and it's not I mean, I 492 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 7: guess it gets like by default considered literary, but it's 493 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 7: really just like a big cartoon, you know. 494 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: It's got all these. 495 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 7: These it's just it's it's not remotely adhering to like 496 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 7: the tenets of realism anyways. 497 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: And but it's not it's. 498 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 7: Not horror either, and it's like and it's not staying 499 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 7: within a single lane of genre. But after I wrote 500 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 7: that novel, I like had this like wake up moment, 501 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 7: and I realized, oh wait, I'm al was supposed to 502 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 7: be in ninja mode all these years. I'm supposed to 503 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 7: be doing and genre stuff. And so the next novel, 504 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 7: the next novel I wrote right after finishing The fast 505 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 7: Red Road, I wrote this in ninety nine, was the 506 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 7: novel that would become Demon Theory, my first horror novel. 507 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 7: It wouldn't come out, it wouldn't come out into six, 508 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 7: but it was the second novel I ever wrote. Then 509 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 7: the third novel I ever wrote, no Rest for the Wicked, 510 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 7: was a vampire novel. The fourth novel was a werewolf novel. 511 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 7: What was it called blood Lines? I think it was 512 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 7: called Bloodlines. And so the first thing I mean of 513 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 7: the first like four novels I wrote, three of them 514 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 7: were horror, you know. Two of them weren't good enough 515 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 7: to ever get published, I don't think, but one of 516 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 7: them did finally fund the bookshelf, but yes. And then 517 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 7: the next novel I did after The fast Red Road 518 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 7: would be probably All the Beautiful Centers, which is a thriller. 519 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 7: So it's still genre, but it's not science fiction and 520 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 7: fantasy horror. It's adhering to you know, crime, thriller, that 521 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 7: kind of stuff. Then the next one has a serial 522 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 7: killer book, The Bird Is Gone, which is also an 523 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 7: alternate history book. And then the next one, Bleeding to 524 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 7: Me is not horror, but it's got a lot of 525 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 7: horror in it, a lot of horror story what I 526 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 7: consider horror stories. The first story in the collection it's 527 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 7: called Halloween. And and then then demon Theory came out, 528 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 7: and I'm then, well, you know what happened was for 529 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 7: the first like probably three books I did, I do 530 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 7: book events and like book clubs, bookstores, universities, just auditoriums 531 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: with people, and the questions I kept getting they kind 532 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 7: of whispered to me that people were using these books 533 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 7: as lenses to focus upon a culture or a set 534 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 7: of issues. They were they were they were asking me 535 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 7: indian questions like oh, well, you know, what do you 536 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 7: think about politics of identity, representation, mascots, all this stuff. 537 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 7: And and I don't like my books to do these 538 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 7: like that. I mean, if people want to read it 539 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 7: like that, that's great, but they don't, they don't talk 540 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 7: to me about it. 541 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: That's the book club and yeah. 542 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm and and and I thought, well, you 543 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 7: know this sucks. This is not what I got in 544 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 7: this game for. So what I did was, I said, 545 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 7: I'm going to run off into the horror fields and 546 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 7: play in those fields, and y'all can follow me with 547 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 7: those questions if you want and see if they're still pertinent. 548 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: And so I did that. I ran off. 549 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 7: I was writing slashers, zombies, werewolves, everything, having a blast. 550 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 7: But I was also I still have the impulses to 551 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 7: do the weird stuff that I don't know what you 552 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 7: call it. I guess it gets called literary. But and 553 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 7: so I was like two writers for about a decade 554 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 7: on two different tracks, and that was hard to maintain, 555 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 7: like just artistically. 556 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 5: You know. 557 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 7: And then in twenty sixteen, I was able to cobble 558 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 7: together randomly Mongrels, my werewolf novel, and Mongrels has a 559 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 7: delivery system that is in keeping with like the literary 560 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 7: side or track of the two writers I was being, 561 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 7: whereas it was using the creatures from the horror that 562 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 7: I love. And so I feel with Mongrels, I was 563 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 7: able to like sew myself back together into a single writer. 564 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 7: And I've been a single writer since then. 565 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: It's been a nice does it feel like as you 566 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: know Stephen Graham Jones post twenty twenty, when people are 567 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: discovering you through the Any Good Indians and you know 568 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: I was a teenage slasher and obviously the Jay Daniels 569 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: books and stuff. What does it feel like to now 570 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: have them going back and reading, you know, Night of 571 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: the Mannequins and the smaller stuff that's being republished now. 572 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 7: Oh, I mean it's it's hopefully. I mean, I guess 573 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 7: it's scary number one, because I wonder, I mean, I 574 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 7: guess I wonder two things. I wonder did I mess 575 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 7: up in some of those books? But what I really 576 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 7: wonder is have I lost the muscles I used to 577 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 7: have in those books, you know, like like like Long 578 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 7: Trial and Known Dagatti or Not for Nothing or Flashboy. 579 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 7: I don't have those muscles anymore, I don't think, And 580 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 7: I wish I did along for being able to write 581 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 7: like that, Like I'll never write The Birds Gone again. 582 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 7: I'll never write anything close to the Bird Is Gone. 583 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 7: And I wish I could. I had a different way 584 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 7: of moving from sentence to sentence back then. I had 585 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 7: a different way of processing through a story, and I 586 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 7: missed that so intensely. And I mean that's part of 587 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 7: being a writer. You change every time you put pen 588 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 7: to page. You're a different writer. And so it's scary 589 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 7: to me that people go back and they say, oh, 590 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 7: he used to be able to do this, and now 591 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 7: you can't do that. 592 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: You know, how dare they? Isn't that the scary thing? 593 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: You're like, I've been putting out this body of work 594 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: for ten years, how dare you go back and read it. 595 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: And compare it? What do you mean? 596 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 597 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 7: But you know, but also I would I wouldn't trade 598 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 7: like for from two thousand until yeah, maybe twenty sixteen 599 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 7: or twenty twenty, I wasn't getting a lot of critical tension, 600 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 7: not not a big audience, any of that. At the time. 601 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 7: I mean, I wanted worse than anything to have a 602 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 7: hit because I wanted to pay bills, you know. But 603 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 7: from the vantage point i'm at now, I think that 604 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 7: that was. 605 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: My education, my real education. Yeah. 606 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 7: I went through grad school, I went through a lot 607 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 7: of writing programs. I've done a lot of. 608 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of that kind of stuff. 609 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 7: But my real education was writing these books and for 610 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 7: a small audience or no audience, and just figuring figuring 611 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 7: out what I could do on the page and what 612 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 7: I couldn't do and who I was, and that has 613 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 7: allowed me to I feel I have a really like 614 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 7: stable foundation for all the stuff I'm doing now. 615 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely you can see that from like a mapping 616 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 2: the interior to like which they just i know, republished 617 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: in a really nice copy to you know, I was 618 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: a teenage slasher, Like you can draw those lines very 619 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: simply between like the themes and the way you're going. 620 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, I definitely it's a surreal experience, even as 621 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: me as a journalist or someone who writes comics, to 622 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: go back and read something I wrote four years ago, 623 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: let alone you know ten you are. You are also 624 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: a big comic book lover, and I just love to 625 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: hear you talk about your favorite comics. So just quickly, 626 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: before you jump into anything else, what's the first comic 627 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: you teach when you start teaching comics. 628 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 7: When I'm doing a big lecture course, and it's not 629 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 7: just horror comics, it's not just superhero comics. It's like 630 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 7: all it's like all comics for people who don't know comics, 631 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 7: you know. So I've got one hundred and fifty people 632 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 7: in the classroom. The place I always start is Jim 633 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 7: Peter's Secret Wars from nineteen eighty four, because I feel 634 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 7: like that's the snowball that crashed onto the world, and 635 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 7: that that's the snowball that includes like the Golden Age Superman, 636 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 7: Batman stuff, the Silver Age Flash and ec comics. It 637 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 7: includes everything. And I feel like if you read Secret 638 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 7: Wars the right way, you can understand how the comic 639 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 7: book works, how the page works, how the panel works, 640 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 7: how gutters work, how balloons work. You can learn all 641 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 7: that stuff because they were really competent, but it's also 642 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 7: really simple. It's not like it's not like Jeff Lamia 643 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 7: or ramv doing really sophisticated, high level stuff that it's 644 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 7: going to be hard for a beginner to access, you know. 645 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 7: And yeah, so I love starting at Secret Wars. And 646 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 7: that was also the first comic So I'm just trying 647 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 7: to I'm really trying. I'm really trying to lead them 648 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 7: back to this. 649 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: Experience, which isn't that what we can do as comic 650 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: book glovers. 651 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, would you like. 652 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: To recommend any things, any books or authors that you 653 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: think people should check out this holiday season? 654 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I guess talking comic books. Daniel krause 655 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 7: is Athadonesia. I thought that was a really brilliant novel, 656 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 7: such a such a like a novel concept and novel 657 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 7: in the sense of new, but novel in the sense 658 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 7: of like it feels like a novel, you know. And 659 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 7: and and the art by Danny is just that just 660 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 7: blows me away. Her line work and the punctuations of 661 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 7: colors is incredible. 662 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 5: Are just so powerful. 663 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: One of my favorite is right, yeah. 664 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. 665 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 7: And you know, Daniel Krausse, He's just such a good 666 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 7: writer period, whether comic books or novels or nonfiction as well. 667 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 7: But and I guess I would also recommend, if I'm 668 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 7: just going novels, I guess a couple of books from 669 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 7: twenty five maybe Victorian Psycho by Virginia. The book was 670 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 7: it was so so over the top and fun, just 671 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 7: blood on every wall. You know, you can't you can't 672 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 7: take a step in that book without track of blood somewhere. 673 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 7: And it just came out in October. Adam Johnson's The Wayfinder. 674 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 7: It's a big old novel about South Pacific islanders back 675 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 7: you know, eight hundred years ago or nine hundred years 676 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 7: ago something like that, and it's I mean, it's got 677 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 7: a little bit of a Game of Thrones. It feels 678 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 7: it really tell you truth. You can map space opera 679 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 7: under the wayfinder and it fits really pretty well. But 680 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 7: it's setting like this, I don't know, five hundred miles 681 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 7: of islands or something. I was really impressed with that 682 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 7: note that. 683 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: Was a big one. What are you working on right now? 684 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: That's making you excited? 685 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 7: I just know maybe two days ago finished the story. 686 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 7: I thought it was going to be I told myself, 687 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 7: let's write out a thirty five hundred word story, and 688 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 7: now it's like eleven thousand words, which makes it so 689 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 7: much more difficult to publish, you know. But right now 690 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 7: I'm calling it the Vampire of Parking and it's actually 691 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 7: not it's actually not a horror story. But which is 692 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 7: It's my first story in a while that's not horror, well, 693 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 7: my first like long story. 694 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 5: This is not horror. I do a lot of flash fiction, Like. 695 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 7: In the past, like five weeks, I bet I've written 696 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 7: twelve fifteen flash fiction stories. 697 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 5: I just love flash fiction. I'll never be done with 698 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 5: flash fiction. It'll never be done with me, I don't think. 699 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 5: But and so that stuff is all over. 700 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 7: Sometimes it's horror, science fiction, literary, comedy, whatever. 701 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: Short story collection coming at some point, flash fiction collection. 702 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 7: I mean, I think tomorrow on December second, which is 703 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 7: probably the past for one of this posts. My States 704 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 7: of Grace is coming out from Open Road, which which 705 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 7: is a reissue of my flash fiction. It was originally 706 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 7: fifty flash fiction pieces. I want to say now it 707 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 7: might be seventy because they let me sneak some stuff in. 708 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: It's really cool. 709 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel nice as it is the want of 710 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: the writer to constantly put things on the page. 711 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: How does it feel to be in a position. 712 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 2: Where now when you're putting those things on the page 713 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: and getting the ideas out, there's someone knocking at your 714 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: door going like, hey, can we publish that? 715 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: Like does that always feel good? Or some of that? 716 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: Are you like, let me keep it in the back pocket. 717 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 7: No, No, it does feel good. But also, I mean 718 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 7: there's still rejection. People will solicit stuff. They'll say, you know, okay, 719 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 7: we want you to write a story for this theme, 720 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 7: this issue whatever, And I'll write a story and they'll 721 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 7: and I'll send it to them and they'll say. 722 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: Well, and we want you to do it, but not 723 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 2: the one you wrote. 724 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So the rejection never stops. But I 725 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 7: think that's good too. If I stop getting rejected, then 726 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 7: I'll get nervous. 727 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: We need to feel like it's real. Okay, last question, 728 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. Is you had 729 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 2: the incredible Earth Divers You've been at Marvel and stuff. 730 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: Is there a character or a story in the sequential 731 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: kind of storytelling comic book space that you are still 732 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 2: dying to tell, whether it's your own or someone else's. 733 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 5: Yes. 734 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 7: There, I've got so many comic book ideas, the reason 735 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 7: and I have a lot of houses like knocking on 736 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 7: my door saying, hey, let's do a comic book, But 737 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 7: I haven't jumped in with any of them yet because 738 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 7: comic books take so much time. To me, they take 739 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 7: more time than than novels. Because yeah, I mean, yeah, 740 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 7: you can write a script in a few days, that's 741 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 7: not an issue. But that that's not where it ends. 742 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 7: You know, there's there's there's sketches, there's pencils, there's inks, 743 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 7: there's colors, there's letters, and there's adjustments. There's so many adjustments. 744 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: I just. 745 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like and with the trick 746 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 6: with writing a monthly title, as you know is you've 747 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 6: always got your finger in like five different issues at 748 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 6: different stages, and it's hard to keep them separate. And 749 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 6: it's it's like comic books will own your life if 750 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 6: you let them. And that's good, I think. But at 751 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 6: the same time, as. 752 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 7: You're saying, I am a professor and I do write 753 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 7: a lot of novels, and so can I always take 754 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 7: on a third this is the question, and sometimes I can. 755 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 5: Yes, Maybe we. 756 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: Can look forward to more SGG comics in the future. 757 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh definitely. I Actually. 758 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 7: I've actually said maybe to one outfit for a character 759 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 7: that I couldn't say no to. You know, I can't 760 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 7: announce it yet, but it's a character that I thought 761 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 7: I would. 762 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: Get to tell you. 763 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that. 764 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 2: I just I just got mine from DC for the 765 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: first time, so I totally get that. 766 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: Well. 767 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what that is and whenever 768 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 2: it's announced. Come back on and talk to us again. 769 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 2: It was really great to speak to you. 770 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 771 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. 772 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Stephen for chatting with me, and thank 773 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: you to Ian and Carmon for popping on talk about 774 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: Some Good add Some Bad live action anime adaptations. Xtra 775 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jasonteps Young and Rosie Night and 776 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 2: is a production of iHeart Podcast. 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