1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Why from our nations this budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: do nothing space forces. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and Politics 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: colliding to sound on with Kevin's relate the insiders, the influencers, 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: the insiders. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: lot different than it looked in teams. You really have 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: a divide within Team Trump. The president has to do 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: exactly what people seven here to do, which is to 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's. He related 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one seven F M h D 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: two Boltimore, Holy guacamole. The price of avocados couldn't be 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: going up thanks to the tariff for between President Trump. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: President Trump barreling into unchartered territory with tariffs as a weapon. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: What does it mean for U s m c A 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: for immigration, immigration negotiations, and of course the ongoing saga 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: following the US China trade talk. We have an all 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: star panel politics Policy. It's jampacked. Happy Friday. We made it. 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Never thought it would come. It was a short week, 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: but it felt like a long one. Didn't it feel long? 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: We have an all star panel. Sarah McGregor, Bloomberg News 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: US Economic Policy Team Leader. Eric Wasson, Bloomberg News Congressional reporter. 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: Every time he's here, something happens. David Livingston, Deputy Director 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: of Climate and Advanced Energy at the Atlantic Council. Have 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: you heard of the Atlantic Council? Has anybody heard of 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Council. It's the fastest growing think tank in Washington, 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: d C. He's a former staffer at USTR and the 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: World Trade Organization. And we're talking politics with President Trump's 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: twenty presidential campaign senior advisor, Kimberly Gilfoyle. She calls in 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: later on this hour. You don't want to miss that. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg TV and Radio. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: And buckle up, folks, Buckle up if you're on your 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: ride home from work, because it's Friday. But we're not 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: there yet, We're not to the weekend yet. It's insight. 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: But it was a busy, busy day. US stocks extending 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a weekly loss to the worst since Christmas in the 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: SMP five, also capping its worst month of the year, 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: bringing the May decline past six point five. This, of course, 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: as President Trump threatening to place escalating tariffs on Mexico. Look, 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm an optimist, but it doesn't mean I can't deliver 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: the news as it happens. We are here with an 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: all star panel joining us. Sarah McGregor, Bloomberg News, US 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: Economic Policy team leaders here, Eric Watson, Bloomberg News, congressional reporter. 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: There in recess, but the news has not stopped from 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: a congressional front. And David Livingston making his return to 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: sound On. He is the Deputy Director of Climate and 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Advanced Energy at the Atlantic Council. He's a former staffer 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: it U, s TR and the World Trade Organization. So 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: perfect mending me mind meld, a perfect mind meld to 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: bring us through avocado tariffs. All right, Sarah McGregor, I'm 51 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: gonna start with you, what is going on with the 52 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: terrorists today? And is a good question. Obviously, Try took 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: everyone by surprise when he tweeted out yesterday that he 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: was planning to put these five percent tariffs on every 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: single important good coming in from Mexico on June tenth. Um. 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think it raised a lot of questions 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: because basically earlier in the day, the US had forwarded, 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was a procedural step, but it had 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of moved forward with getting this U S m 60 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: c A, the napt TO two point oh deal through Congress, 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they look pretty intent on sort of 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: shoring up the good will. We had Mike Pence and 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: Canada meeting Justin Trudeau and that it almost looked like 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: it was on a on a track, you know, for 65 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: potential approval, and then bam, you know, Trump says, I'm 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: going to put tariffs in place. So the Vice President 67 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Eric was up in Ottawa yesterday. We talked about this yesterday. 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: But I mean, it was a pretty nice meeting between 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meeting with Mike Pence, and 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: essentially Pence says he all but guarantees that U S 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: m c A will be ratified U S m c A, 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: the NAPA two point oh dealing with Mexico as well 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: as Canada. Then you get this tweet, and I want 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: to play for you. Mick mulvaney, the President's chief of staff, 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: had to say earlier today about the President's decision to 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: increase tariffs on June tenth, on a host of different 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: Mexican goods like avocados, should they not cave on immigration. 78 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: Take a listen. The President will defend the nation. He 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: will defend the southern border. If that means taking the tariffs, 80 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: that means taking We hope, sincerely hope it does not 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: come to that. They hope it doesn't come to that. Eric, 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: But I mean the conflating of immigration and U S. 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: M c A. Why now, Well, I think my big 84 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: takeaway from yesterday was the divisions within the administration. You know, 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: you saw first of Sarah's mentioning the starting of the 86 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: process of trying to get Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats 87 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: to approve. And after two point oh, there's a lot 88 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: of division there, with Mike pens really leading the charge 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: to try to jam Nancy Pelosi, force her hand, force 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Conress to take this up with the USCR. Bob Lightheiser's 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: having a more GHO slow approach, and then suddenly Trump 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: really linking tariffs and immigration, sort of taking his staff 93 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: by surprise. This is not the way policies are traditionally 94 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: rolled out, with late night or early evening tweets, with 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: sort of administration officials quickly trying to backfill justifications and 96 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: reasons why this is happening. I think that's why we're 97 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of market reaction here, and Democrats are 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: seizing on that. They're saying that this is really uh 99 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: an erratic administration which is sending mixed signals on how 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: it wants to handle. You've got to go back to 101 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson. I feel like Tom Keene. I mean, Tom 102 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: Keene has a big show, but I'm gonna bring up 103 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson in order to go back. You've got to 104 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: know about something called the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 105 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or the i e 106 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: e p A, that would allow the President of the 107 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: United States to bypass Congress to investigate, regulate, or prohibit 108 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: everything from foreign exchange transactions to transfers and credit, as 109 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: well as to freeze assets. I e e p A. 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: You gotta go back to the Woodrow Wilson administration that 111 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: trace back to the First World War. Smart guy David Livingston, 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: he knows a thing or two about trade and these 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: laws and whatnot. There's debate about whether or not the 114 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: president has authority to do this under i e e 115 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: p A, but take us into the weeds, not a critique. 116 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: I take it you disagree with what the president is doing, 117 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: but take not into a critique, but take us into 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: the policy implications and the nuances here of what's actually 119 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: being discussed. Right, So, the the I e p A, 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: as you laid out, UM, is traditionally the vehicle used 121 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: for the imposition of sanctions for example, right you typically 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: have uh uh that used for you know, as the 123 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: as the the underlying authority behind an executive order that 124 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: it then imposes sanctions. It's it's far less common for 125 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: it to be used for tariffs on like this. So 126 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: what's an example of when it would be used normally? 127 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: An interesting example actually is the is the E e 128 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: p A is behind the longest running it has has 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: muscle behind the longest running national emergency going on the 130 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: United States right now, which actually dates back to dates 131 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: back to the Iran hostage situation, um and is still 132 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: in place today and and and has relevance for the 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, for the basis of the U S and 134 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: position of sanctions on Iran as well. UM. Here it's 135 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: likely to be challenged. UM. But the if you look 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: at if you look at everything, uh if you look 137 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: at the way that it's been used by presidents in 138 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: the past, there's pretty broad authority. And so I think 139 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: that if the president, you know, is challenged on on 140 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: his authority to use it in this way, it's likely 141 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: to hold up. What's What's what's more likely to happen 142 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: that that might constrain him, is this might incite Congress, 143 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: including some Republican members like Chuck Grassley. You've already started 144 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: to see some comments today on the Hill. It might 145 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: um instigate Congress to to reconsider, uh, some sort of 146 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: circumscription of the of the president's broad authority to to 147 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: impose terrorists. Yeah, And I think that what's interesting that's 148 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: coming out of Congress is like that that they're showing 149 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: right now that they don't necessarily back Trump's idea that 150 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: economic security national security are linked at any cost. And 151 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's some Congress people who are saying, well, 152 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, we we stand by a tighter immigration policy 153 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: and trying to deal with these border issues, but we 154 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: don't believe tariffs are the way to do it. And 155 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: I think, you know, they sort of think it's a 156 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: misuse of Trump's authority. So it'll be interesting how this 157 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: plays out and sort of the legal challenges that will 158 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: come from it, and also the ways that Congress might 159 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: try and re up their efforts to reign in Trump's 160 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: tariff powers. The key person who looked in all of 161 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: this is Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority leader. Um, you know, 162 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: we have the same people who are objecting to the 163 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: use of AIPA that we saw objecting the use of 164 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: emergency powers to impose steel and aluminum tariffs. Yeah, we're 165 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: getting no. I I call it to IPA. Go ahead 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: and make sure people gotta remember so we see Pat too, me, 167 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, Club for Growth style Republican coming out. He 168 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: already has legislation to limit presidential powers to impose emergency tariffs. 169 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: Perhaps that gets expanded to include IPA, But again, is 170 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: that going to expand beyond this core group of people 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: like Chuck Grassley and Pat to me to become a 172 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell project. I think we really have to see 173 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: how this plays out. Tariffs, if that's what gets up 174 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: to in October, is a huge hit to the You 175 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: know what I think. I think when you talk to 176 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: some people behind the scenes, they say, hey, keV just 177 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: between us. They're trying to royal things up to put 178 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: some pressure on the Democrats to get U s m 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: c A ratified so that they can move on. And 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: they know that if they just take the ruck, sweep 181 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: the rug out from everybody, get everybody, stir the pot 182 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: a little bit, stir the pot, that they'll be able 183 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: to put some pressure on to get U s m 184 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: c A. It's a gamble whether or not a pays 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: awful note, is anybody grilling this weekend? Charcoal? Charcoal impacted 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: by tariffs as well? Panel stays. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You 187 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: can download the sound on podcas Asked on Apple iTunes, 188 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 189 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot com, I 190 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. We're talking AIPA plus presidential election. 191 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Kimberly Gilfoyle calls in later on coming Up. I'm Kevin Cirelli. 192 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Sound on with Kevin 193 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: Cyrilling on Bloomberg one and one oh five point seven 194 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: f m h D two Boltemore, Happy front at folks. 195 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: If you're making guacamole, this weekend. Better get those avocados, 196 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: because tariffs, tariffs, tariffs. President Trump threatening to raise tariffs 197 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: by against a host of different Mexican goods. I'm Kevin Cirelli, 198 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio. I'm joined 199 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: for the hour by Eric Wasson, Bloomberg News, Congressional reporter. 200 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: There in recess, Eric never stops working. And David Livingston, 201 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Deputy Direct Act of Climate and Advanced Energy at the 202 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: Atlantic Council. He's a former staffer at the US Trade 203 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Representatives Office. Eric and the break told me, I'm not 204 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: sure if people know what US t R, I said 205 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: the sound non listeners know what U S t R 206 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: stands for the US Trade Representatives Office, and he has 207 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: also worked at the World Trade Organization. We're talking about AIPA, 208 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: the International Economic Emergency Powers Act AIPA, which the President 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: is is using in order to raise these tariffs. Here's 210 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: what Kelly and Conway, special counselor to President Trump, had 211 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: to say about it earlier today on the White House 212 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Terriffs are a good way to get a trading partner's attention. 213 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: Apparently the President did so. He also got Republicans attention, Eric. 214 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: Many Republicans don't like tariffs. We've talked about that, We've 215 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: had them on the show, We've had them on Bloomberg TV. 216 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: So you know, is is this a possibility that the 217 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: President is trying to get some pressure on Congress to 218 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: deal with the U S m c A or not 219 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: the two point? Oh? Well, I think actually this would 220 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: have a We've heard this from Colin Peterson, who's the 221 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: chairman of the House Higher Culture Committee today. This would 222 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: probably have a negative effect on getting that getting that through. 223 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, there is the question about 224 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: whether Mexico Senate, UH and Congress would actually approve this. 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Why would they approve something that may not be worth 226 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: the paper it's written on. And if Mexico and Canada 227 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: don't approve this, there's really no pressure on Nancy Pelosi 228 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: to bring it up. So I think that raises a 229 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: real question about that. But we saw a lot of reaction, 230 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: especially from Johnie Ernst and Chuck Grassley about this because 231 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: a key part of all this is we're gonna be 232 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: imposing tariffs on Mexican exports to the US, but Mexico 233 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: will surely retaliate UH, and they'll retaliate on places like Iowa, 234 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: which is a number one pork exporter. Pork is a 235 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: big import into Mexico. We're also talking about potatoes. We're 236 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: talking about a lot of products that hit UH cheese, 237 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: especially Wisconsin, California, Maine. We're gonna see as those retaliations 238 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: roll in UH potential defections from other Republicans to see 239 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: this about Senator Johnie Ernest, Republican from Iowa. Former UN 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: Ambassador Nicky Haley is gonna key note Joie earns roast 241 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: and ride later this summer. Senator Earnst is going to 242 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: be on the program on Monday. David, you're listening to this, 243 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: I see what what are you making of of the 244 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: congressional fallout. I was just going to point out there's 245 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: a there's another kind of political dimension of this too, 246 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: which is energy prices. So even though we've been you know, 247 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: everyone wants to talk about avocados, and even though you 248 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: might not put crude oil on your toast or in 249 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: your taco, it's still at a very important part of 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: the U. S economy, and in fact, Mexico accounts for 251 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: about ten percent of US crude oil exports. We're gonna 252 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: start slapping tariffs then on if we're slapping them on 253 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: all Mexican products, that includes crude oil, which we import 254 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: from Mexico. And I think I saw in Bloomberg itself 255 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: today that that's about a five percent tariff will increase 256 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: the cost per barrel of Mexican heavy crude Myan crude 257 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: by about three dollars per barrel. That's a really important 258 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: input to our own refineries here in the United States, 259 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: particularly with so much Venezuelan production offline. Those numbers available 260 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg terminal, you've got those numbers right I've 261 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: got my Bloomberg terminal open right now. But I want 262 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: to ask you, I want to press you on this 263 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: a little bit further. Manufacturers aren't kind of like this. 264 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean the amount of commerce that daily comes through here. 265 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: That's what I find so interesting is that he's President 266 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Trump in the White House, agree with him or not. 267 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Are are lumping trade and immigration here and the manufacturers 268 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: and commodities and energy sectors and whatnot. I mean the 269 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: trade that literally, the daily trade and the trucking industry 270 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: that goes along and by rail and be a trucking 271 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: industry on the US Mexico border, they're directly gonna be 272 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: gonna be taken. And the US Chamir of Commerce had 273 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: a good study out today that said Texas will take 274 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: the biggest hit obviously it's a border, but that Michigan 275 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: is right up there as well. I mean, the internal 276 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: supply chains within the auto industry are very heavily affected 277 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: by this. We saw GM stock batter today. I mean, 278 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: Trump in his tweets talks about the potential benefit long 279 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: term to the auto industry moving back to the U 280 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: S which seems to be a real fixation of his, 281 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: but at least in the short term, it's going to 282 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: really affect the auto the auto companies. And we often 283 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: talk about auto trades if it's the nineteen you know, 284 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: the fifties and the nineteen sixties. The fact is, the 285 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: average vehicle that's coming off the line today has thirty 286 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: plus parts in it. And if you look at take, 287 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: for example, let's say a Honda c RV right there, 288 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: you have a Japanese vehicle. Let's say that it's finished 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: in Mexico, so it's quote unquote produced in Mexico. Well, 290 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: the average han to CRV has more than six American 291 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: content in it. What about scooters electric scooters? Yeah, I've 292 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: been riding them recently. We saw that. I think I 293 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: saw that you're well known scooter bro. You know, wow, 294 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: I don't I think I should. I think I should 295 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: pay it back to trade before Christine sends me a 296 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: message our executive producer and tells me to stay on topic. 297 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on topic, t G. I have focus keV. 298 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: All Right, So, in terms of the congressional fallout, where 299 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: does it go from here? And when they when they 300 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: get back on Monday, Eric, I mean, what what's the 301 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: immediate immediate next steps that Republicans are gonna have to take? Well, 302 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, there's actually so many different problems going on 303 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: in Congress right now. We've seen during this recess a 304 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: big problem about passing a disaster aid even though there's 305 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: been tornadoes and flood's going out in the Midwest. Uh, 306 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Congress is yet to finally pass this nineteen billion dollar 307 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: disaster AD package that the Democrats tried to put it through. 308 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: But each day or every other day, a publicans showed 309 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: up to block that. So the first order Business're gonna 310 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: try to deal with that, we have, you know, again 311 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's gonna go on with trade. 312 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: I think what is the next step for the next 313 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: step is that Mexico is going to meet with Mexican 314 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: fore minsters, gonna meet with Pompeo on Wednesday. He's said 315 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: that he's tweeted as he's arriving here he's going to 316 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: do that. And I think a lot of people are 317 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: really holding their final fire until they see if there 318 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: can be some kind of deal worked out negotiate with 319 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if that's I mean, I know, I want 320 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: to get to Brady coming up, but just quickly before 321 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: we we gotta we gotta run the break. But who 322 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: do they negotiate with? I mean Secretary minution Secretary Ross 323 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: uh Bob Leichheiser of the U. S. Trade Representative. And 324 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you've got Secretary Pompeo is 325 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: now negotiating on Terrace. That's right, and and um, you know, 326 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: from the best information we have, it looks like at 327 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: least Minutition and Lightheizer were against this move, right, So 328 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: do you go negotiate with Peter Navarro? And you know, 329 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: in addition to in addition to Pompeio, it raises interesting questions, 330 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: particularly when you're using trade to enforce immigration. I feel 331 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: like I'm learning all on this show because we're talking 332 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: to you, but we're talking to usdr. But I mean, 333 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: it really is remarkable and trade policy really impacting the 334 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: barbecue mix. We're gonna talk more about this coming up, 335 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna check in with Kimberly Gilfoil. Kimberly 336 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: Gilfoil joins us coming up. She's a senior advisor to 337 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: President Trump's re election efforts. We're going to break down 338 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: all of the latest what does it mean the impeachment chatter. 339 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's really You can download the Sound On podcast 340 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading 341 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app. For more politics and policy. You 342 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: can find us on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio 343 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: and Spotify. Happy Friday, you're listening to Bloomberg. This is 344 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin's Relate on Bloomberg and h D 345 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: two boltom Over. We made it to Friday Friday Friday, 346 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: It's finally here. Did you see this house speaker Nancy Pelosi? 347 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: She was on Jimmy Kimmel last night. She was talking 348 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: with Jimmy Kimmel on ABC about impeachment. Here's Speaker of 349 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: the House Nancy Pelosi on impeachment on the Late Night Show. 350 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: When we go down this path, we have to be 351 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: ready and it has to be clear to the American people, 352 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: and we have to hope that it will be clear 353 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: to to the Republicans. Have to be clear to the Republicans. 354 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Joining us on the telephone line, her first time on 355 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: the program Bloomberg Radio Sound on Pro program. Kimberly Gilfoil 356 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Kimberly Gilfoyle is a former Fox News host. She is 357 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: also now a campaign senior adviser to President Donald Trump's 358 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: re election campaign. Kimberly, thank you so much for joining us. 359 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: What do you make a Speaker Pelosio on Kimmel. Yes, 360 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Listen, I know, um, Nancy, 361 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: you know very well. Um. She is the anti marriage 362 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: of my ex husband, Gavin newsoms like California's I've spent question. Yeah, 363 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: try that one out her six degrees and the graces. Um. 364 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: You know the problem is she's you know, leading a 365 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: party right now that has no platform, no base, no clue, 366 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: no ideas as heatering towards socialism and quite frankly communism 367 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: at this point, um, you know, in terming to the 368 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: goals when they wake up in the morning, like wow, 369 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Venezuela seems like a good idea. You know, they're all 370 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: touch They are completely out of their minds when they're 371 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: talking about trying to impeach President Trump. There was no collusion, 372 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: no obstruction, and all their pivoting saying, oh wait, here's 373 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: another good idea. Let's say there was a cover up, 374 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: a cover up of what of the innocence of no wrongdoing. Uh, 375 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous and they're wasting shamefully the taxpayers money, 376 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: the hard earned money of the men and women across 377 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 1: this country that expect people in d C to govern 378 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: and to legislate. And when you look at it here 379 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: they have control of the House. What have they done. 380 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, what have they've been able to accomplish? They 381 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: have been done nothing but the obstructionists to the president 382 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: because they're still trying to get a duel over for 383 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: the election. No one I'm working hard is the president. 384 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Kimberly Gilfoyle. She is the President Donald Trump's presidential campaign 385 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: senior advisor. You know, this is if we're so thrilled 386 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: to have you you call in. And what I find 387 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: interesting and you know this, Kimberly, is the chatter here 388 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: inside of the Beltway, in the swamp in Washington, d C. 389 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Is that privately the President Trump and his his administration, 390 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: they're saying, bring it on. The Democrats want to impeach him. 391 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: Bring it on. It would be Democrats over playing their hands. 392 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: Do you think President Trump wants to have the show 393 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: of impeachment in the Democratic cont Old House? Look, I 394 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants it, because it's not what's still 395 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: for the Council and President Trump, but you know, has 396 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: has such a tremendous record of accomplishments, especially as it relates, 397 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: you know to the economy and obviously national security in 398 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: other areas as well. But you know, people who were 399 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: left behind before are no longer left behind, and he 400 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: really does want to focus on continuing to improve this 401 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: country and put America first. We need to record low unemployment, 402 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, for women, for African Americans, for Asian Americans, 403 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: and it's very important that we continue in this trend. 404 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: And we've been able to keep unemployment below you know, 405 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: four percent, it's at three point six percent. Now and 406 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: in fact, you know where we're seeing the biggest gains 407 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: are working class Americans in terms of their wages going up. 408 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: And that's a really good sign. It's most auspicious for 409 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the economy. And he wants to continue with this, and 410 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: we really don't need to waste any more time. Uh. 411 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: We're trying to impeach a president that has done nothing wrong, 412 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: and that's the problem. And you know, shame on Bob 413 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: Mueller for trying to again dust this up. And he 414 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: really was improper. And I'm a former prosecutor in terms 415 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: of what he said the other day. Let me tell 416 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: you something. This is you know, America, the United States 417 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: of America and our justice system is about the presumption 418 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: of innocence. And it isn't the goal of a special prosecutor, 419 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: nor the job to go to try to quote exonerate, 420 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: uh someone You're supposed to look to see if they're 421 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: specific evidence and sufficient evidence of criminal activity or wrongdoing. 422 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: Read to conclusions of William Buell said that Bob Mueller 423 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: was well within his rights to do and then make 424 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: that determination, not then go ahead, you know, weeks after 425 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: and get up and make some kind of bizarre you 426 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: know press conference speech that really was just disingenuous and 427 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: very unhelpful to the American people. You know, I find 428 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: this interesting and to put on your prosecutorial cap for 429 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: a second, because earlier this week, when I was at 430 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: the White House and I was covering for Bloomberg Television, Uh, 431 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Bob Mueller's uh, you can't really call our press conference. 432 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: He didn't take questions, but he said quotable, if we 433 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: had confidence that the President did not clearly commit a crime, 434 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: we would have said So. I was struck by that, Kimberly, 435 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: But I also I'm curious for your thoughts on that 436 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: because it I think I talked to a lot of 437 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: sources who say, do you really mean to tell me 438 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: if they didn't want to issue charges, they wouldn't have right. Yeah, 439 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I mean, it makes no sense, 440 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: and he seems confused. I don't know why he made 441 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: that statement. It's it's completely improper. Again, that's not the goal, 442 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, is the Department of Justice and wanted to 443 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: Special Council Bob Mueller to do his job to make 444 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: finding the facts with twenty D suppoenas and burning FBI agents, 445 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, nineteen left leaning lawyers that supported Hillary Clinton. 446 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: My god, and they still couldn't come up with it 447 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: and make up with it fabricated, etcetera. There was a 448 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: finding of no longdoing by the President United States. He 449 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: was transparent, provided all the documents, everything that they needed 450 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: for this bisso our witch hunts and now you know, well, 451 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna see something quite interesting in terms of an 452 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: investigation of the investigators, because you cannot have this this 453 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: lawlessness and witch hunt and tapping people and spying on people, 454 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: and it's just it's offensive to me as a former prosecutor, 455 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: as you mentioned Los Angeles, San Francisco, I've never seen 456 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: anything like this. Every American should be concerned about it. 457 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: It's a just a gross invasion of your personal privacy, 458 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: of your civil liberties, with no regard to do process 459 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: the things that we're going on here. That's what the 460 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: American people if they really want answers to real questions 461 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: about one hop and what needs to be looked into. 462 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: And I believe the Department of Justice will do that. 463 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: And William Bard did say listen because there's some suggestion, 464 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: oh is Bob Lullo suggesting that Congress should take this 465 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: over because he's precluded pursuing the d o J opinion 466 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: from ever indicting or bringing charges against a sitting president. Um, 467 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: if you had the evidence, he would have said so 468 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: and he would have done it. You didn't see anywhere 469 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: in the those documents where it said guilty of anything. 470 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: And I referred to this before, which was you know, 471 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: Ken saw when he did the investigation of Bill Clinton, okay, 472 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: eleven times use the word guilty, six of them as 473 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: it related to obstruction. You never saw those words in friends, 474 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: in the four hundred and forty eight pages that were 475 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: provided to the American people. William Barr provided that whole report, 476 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: minus a few redactions, when Bob Muller was even only 477 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: asking to only give certain portions of it. Look what 478 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: William Bard did. He gave the whole thing. And as 479 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: it relates to Congress, he said, the Department of Justice, 480 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: in conducting its investigations, does not serve as an adjunct 481 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: to Congress. I think that's a pretty strong statement that 482 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: tells you about the rule of law and how things 483 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: are supposed to be handled. Kimberly Gilfoyle, senior advisor to 484 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump's presidential campaign, she's also a former prosecutor 485 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: for l A and San franc Look tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, 486 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg tariffs. The markets royal today as a 487 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: result of tweet yesterday President Trump threatening tariffs on Mexico goods. 488 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: He's citing the immigration issue. Of course, it throws into 489 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: account the U S. M c A or NAFTA two 490 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: point Oh what do you say can really to businesses 491 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: forget about big business for a second, to small businesses, 492 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: to medium sized businesses and battleground states like outside of 493 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Pennsylvania where I grew up, or Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, Uh, Wisconsin. 494 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: What do you say to those folks who are looking 495 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: at this and they're they're a little uneasy. They sense 496 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of economic uncertainty. They do because that 497 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: perhaps they're they have to think about and get some 498 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: elevation on it and see, you know the big picture. 499 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: Of course, Mexico is an important economic partner with the 500 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: United States estates and we do spend ten millions of 501 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: dollars a year um with Mexico and import profit me 502 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: of what three billion dollars and good, but you know, 503 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: Mexico attact like a partner to This isn't gonna be 504 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: a one way relationship, Okay, we want rest of city. 505 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: Is very similar to what the President is saying about China, 506 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: and you know, it's a similar proposal here in terms 507 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: of escalating uh. You know, paribs at five percent and 508 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: then it goes up each time five percent. Additional, they 509 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: have to get serious about this. They are literally turning 510 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: this into, you know, a super highway for legal immigrants 511 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: coming into our nation illegally. And the plaius of our research, 512 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: how much do you think it also costs to try 513 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: to do house and feed and medical costs, et cetera 514 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: for people that are breaking the law and coming into 515 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: this country. What about the cost to two neighborhoods and 516 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: community is not to mention the loss of life. Criminal 517 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: recidivis coming in over and over again. Just two days ago, 518 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: a thousand UH people were apprehended trying to cross into 519 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: the borders. These are staggering, staggering numbers. It's not sustainable. 520 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: Something has to be done. President Trump has asked them 521 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: repeatedly to try to help stop this, especially coming into 522 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: Central America, coming through that than border. It's a huge problem. 523 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: And they can't just let it be our problem. He's 524 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America. He has 525 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: to in our best interest America first, Yes, while still 526 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: having a regard for our economic relationship. This is what happened. 527 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: This is you know, big boy time here, and the 528 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: president is not going to be pushed around. Everybody should 529 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: understand that, and the American market should accept and and 530 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: hold that and take it in and understand that this 531 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: is actually the long term going to be better for 532 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: our economy and not worse. All right. Kimberly Gilfoyle the 533 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: first time on the program, hopefully not the last. She's 534 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: a senior advisor to President Donald Trump's re election campaign. 535 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Kimberly appreciate the time. Thank you, Thank you so much. 536 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Coming up more politics and policy reaction to that exclusive 537 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: interview tonight with Kimberly Gilfoyle, the senior advisor to President 538 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: Trump's re election campaign. You can download the sound on 539 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 540 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us 541 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm 542 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: Kevin CURRELLI. It's Friday. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening 543 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: to Sound On with Kevin Surreally on Bloomberg and one 544 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: oh five point seven m h D two Baltimore. Tariff Friday, 545 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: the President threatening to raise tariffs by against Mexico. The fallout, 546 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: It's royal ng Royling markets. The stock market, the SMP 547 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: five hundred capping out its worst month of the year, 548 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: bringing its May declined past six point five per cent. 549 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: This upon the news of President Trump's tariff threats to 550 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: dal Jones. Industrial average careemed to a sixth weekly loss, 551 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: the longest slump since two thousand and eleven. I'm reading 552 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: a report from the Bloomberg Terminal by my colleague Jeremy 553 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: heron Joy Winning Us in studio to react to that 554 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: exclusive interview from Kimberly Gilfoyle, a senior advisor to President 555 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Trump's re election campaign. Eric Wass and Bloomberg News congressional 556 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: reporter David Livingston, Deputy Director of the Climate and Advanced 557 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: Energy at the Atlantic Council, And my good buddy Roz Krasney, 558 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: she is the weekend editor for Bloomberg News and ros 559 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: I want to hear when you hear folks uh defending 560 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: and making the economic case on immigration that President Trump 561 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: is really pressing the Mexicans to come to the negotiation table. 562 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: That might play well in some of these battleground states 563 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: for Republicans, well Kevin. It certainly could play well with 564 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: some of Trump's most loyalists because you know, if you 565 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: look at the Twitter spare and look at some of 566 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: the commentary, they seem to like it, like let's do it. 567 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: But so many groups, commodity groups, the wheat grows, the 568 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: hawk producers, they're very, very upset. The Chamber of Commerce 569 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: is threatening to sue because this has a really big 570 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: economic impact. And it's another um indication of President Trump 571 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: trying to entwine economic pressure and tariff pressure with something 572 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: totally different, which is build the wall or stop at 573 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: legal immigration, or he also kind of wove in there 574 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: a little bit today stop the illegal drug trade. So 575 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: using an economic hammer to hit kind of a non 576 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: economic nail. It's so it's kind of a risky, a 577 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: risky um effort I think by Trump, that's right. And 578 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: I would just add to that that you've you know, 579 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: he's he's got a lot of balls in the air 580 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: right now. Now you've got Mexico and U S. M. 581 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: C a in question. You've got continuing negotiations with the EU, 582 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: You've got negotiations with Japan, You've got US China. He's 583 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: opened a lot of a lot of cans, He's opened 584 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of boxes. He has yet to close one 585 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: up and wrap a bowl around it. And I think, 586 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: also reacting to Kimberly's interview there, it's like the real 587 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: question is what will Mexico, Mexico be able to do 588 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: to get these tariffs turned off. I mean, a lot 589 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: of people are appearing at the southern border to seek asylum. 590 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: That's an internationally recognized right. Uh. Can Mexico really stop 591 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: those people from from appearing and asking for US asylum? 592 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: These are Central Americans fleeing violence in their home country. Uh, 593 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: it's not really clear what Mexico can do. And mcmulvaney 594 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: told reporters is gonna be sort of ad hoc, there's 595 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: gonna be decided on the fly. I think that has 596 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: markets very nervous, and I agree with what David saying. 597 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Usc R has a certain limit to its capacity to 598 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: do all these different deals, and other countries like Japan, 599 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: the EU, Britain, and China will have to be wondering 600 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: if USCRS word can be taken these negotiations, if they 601 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: can be taken seriously. You know, I think that's a 602 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: great point, that that the word of the US is 603 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: is really is really money and to not be able 604 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: to be taken seriously, and I mean really the the 605 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: U S m c A was one tride agreement that 606 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: did seem to be tied up with the boat. Obviously 607 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: there are some difficulties possibly in getting it through Congress, 608 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: but it was a pretty long year of negotiations with 609 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada to finally get that agreement done and 610 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: to just kind of toss it out on a whim, 611 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: possibly uh with a little bit of egging on from 612 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: some of President Trump's uh immigration hawks, just seems like 613 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: a pretty amazing ton of events. Rozz Thank you for 614 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: stopping in. You were you were all ready to kick 615 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: start your weekend and I your first time on the program. 616 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: How am I doing? I think you're doing great? How 617 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: am I doing great? I hope will you come back? 618 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: I will, She'll come back. Ross Grosney, who edited me 619 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: back on the campaign trail every weekend and dealt with 620 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: ma'am so appreciative that Roz was able to stop by. 621 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to scoot her on out of here. Scoot 622 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: excuse see what I did there, David Livingston, I'm going 623 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: to scoot on out of here on a scooter. I 624 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: love it. It's better than walking out for the for 625 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: the weekends. Appreciate you know. And you're headed to the 626 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: National Basilica National's Inmphony Orchestra having a free concert tonight. 627 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm much looking forward to awesome alright before before the 628 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: recess ends. Thank you everybody to ros Krasnie, Eric Watson, 629 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: David Livingston. Also to Kimberly Gilfoyle. Coming up on Monday, 630 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: Senator Joni Ernst, a Republican from Iowa. You can download 631 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, 632 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. Check us out 633 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: on radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. Have 634 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: an awesome weekend. My godson, my little nephew is coming 635 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: to visit me. We're checking out the Smithsonian tomorrow. That's 636 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: it for me. Kevin Cirelli, you're listening to Bloomberg