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Speaker 2: We were like Southern soul guys, R and B soul

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Speaker 2: being country as you can be, and growing up on

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Speaker 2: a lifestyle, but also having all those different influences of

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Taking a Walk, where we celebrate the latest

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Speaker 3: chapter in the journey of country music sensation Parmally with

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Speaker 3: your host Buzz Night. Fresh from achieving their fifth number

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Speaker 3: one single with Gonna Love You, the band is now

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Speaker 3: gearing up for the release of their new album, fell

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Speaker 3: in Love with the Cowgirl. Join us as we take

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Speaker 3: a Walk with Matt Thomas, Scott Thomas, Barry Knox, and

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Speaker 3: Josh McSwain to explore their creative process. Parmally joins Buzz

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Speaker 3: Night on Taking a Walk right now.

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Speaker 4: So, since the podcast is called Taking a Walk, I

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Speaker 4: did want to ask you guys first, if you could

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Speaker 4: take a walk with somebody living or dead, who would

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Speaker 4: you take a walk with?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh wow, that'd be old man. I'd have

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Speaker 2: to go with Robert Plan because it looks like him.

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Speaker 2: I go with my dad, Oh yeah, and I go

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Speaker 2: with my granddad. Says you going with our dad? You

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Speaker 2: probably do is.

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Speaker 3: I'll like to go with.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendricks.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's a that's a broad array. I like that.

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Speaker 4: That's that is diverse for sure. Uh yeah, awesome. Well

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Speaker 4: we're going to get inside the making of a fell

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Speaker 4: in Love with a cow Girl in a bit. But

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Speaker 4: I did want to ask you to sort of take

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Speaker 4: us back to the beginning on how Parmally started.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, back in then almoston, back near the nineteen hundreds. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know me, Scott's, my brother, Barry's our first cousin.

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Speaker 2: Grew up into a little small town and my dad

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Speaker 2: So we started playing in his band and grew up

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Speaker 2: So we wanted to start a band. And we knew

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Speaker 2: Josh was in a local cover band playing some of

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Speaker 2: same venues and some of the same songs. I reached

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Speaker 2: town of Parma Lee, North Carolina, which was close to

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Speaker 2: stayed out there as much as we possibly could and

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Speaker 4: And it sounds like the influence is based on your

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Speaker 4: they went to many different places beyond just certainly country music.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we you know, I mean as far as

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Speaker 5: My dad was a plotograss band, and so I was

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Speaker 5: on that side of country music, the more mountain hillbilly.

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Speaker 2: Style of stuff. Yeah, but we were like southern soul guys,

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Speaker 4: Making a very interesting stew stirring it up, letting it simmer,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what was the first time you witnessed live music,

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Speaker 5: Same thing, saying my dad on stage. We used to

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Speaker 4: And did you ever have any idea that something would

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Speaker 4: come together named Parmally that would have you know, through

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we all I always imagine that.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't know how it was gonna happen. And

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Speaker 2: There was zero education on like anything other than you know,

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Speaker 5: And yeah, we always thought it was the It was

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Speaker 5: the fantasy of if you started the band. One day,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how we thought that will end. So that's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the story is a little different than that.

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Speaker 2: It is, but it is honestly kind of happened that

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Speaker 2: just six completely different songs. Yeah, we recorded and we

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Speaker 2: were packing out the clubs in town. One club, and

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Speaker 4: But you were out touring for a couple of decades

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we you know, we did. We did everything

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Speaker 2: And we had ups and downs. We had almost so

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Speaker 2: It is a long We were right on the verb

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Speaker 2: always for ten years, but we didn't give up. We

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Speaker 2: just would find out that next that next lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, anything that was what would lead you forward

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Speaker 4: But this is the story of chilling resilience, even beyond

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Speaker 4: the you know, the record business aspect of stuff. And

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Speaker 4: I see you you nodding Scott, because you had a

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Speaker 4: terrible incident that occurred to you specifically into the band

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Speaker 4: in general. Do you mind sharing that difficult story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we sure we had an atteptive robbery at a

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Speaker 2: We were playing a club on Monday night in a small,

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Speaker 2: back out to Nashville. We had finally got us something

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Speaker 2: I think we made fifteen bucks at night, Maybe twenty

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Speaker 2: people showed up, but some guys tried to rob us

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Speaker 2: Barry and Josh were in the club packing gear. Me

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Speaker 2: Two guys bandanas rolled up into RB and and fired

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Speaker 2: fired a shot. Give me give me a cash, And

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Speaker 2: didn't hesitate. He came up and he engaged both of

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, sometimes I think out on tour is where

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Speaker 1: you might come up with a cool idea because they're

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Speaker 1: always coming, you know.

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Speaker 2: But if you're really sitting down, really serious about writing

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Speaker 2: a song, you know, in Nashville, which other writers, you

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Speaker 2: bring those ideas that you get from the road to

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Speaker 2: town and and kind of mold them in a different setting.

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Speaker 2: It's it's tough to do it on the road because

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Speaker 2: we've just got so much. There's so much activities going

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Speaker 2: with meet and greets and shows and setlists and all that.

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Speaker 7: It's hard to be able to sit down for a

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Speaker 7: couple of three hours and really focus. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 7: not my preference now. Like on the Cane tour, Tyler

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Speaker 7: Hubbard was out. Now he had his he had his

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Speaker 7: bus and his crew bus. Now he had a writer.

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Speaker 7: Writers come out with his bus. So it's easy if.

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Speaker 2: That kind of thing's going on. Or Caine's got a

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Speaker 2: room in the back and he's got some writers out,

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Speaker 2: you know, we all jump in on a song. That's

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Speaker 2: a little bit easier sometimes, But I'd prefer to when

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Speaker 2: I go on the road, I like to enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: And enjoy my time out and my day and have

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Speaker 2: fun at the show that knowing you got a song

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Speaker 2: to kind of come back to. If it's fun, it's easy.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it gets to be a chore when you're out there,

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Speaker 2: but that's part of song, right, You got to you

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Speaker 2: gotta get it all out, You got to knock it out.

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Speaker 2: But uh, I'm like him, I love I get more

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Speaker 2: ideas on the road that I can bring to town

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Speaker 2: to kind of bring you life.

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Speaker 5: If we had assets like Tyler had with his own

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Speaker 5: studio set up at it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's so many of us on one bus, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all of us. Well, yeah, it is six seven crew guys,

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Speaker 2: but there's just eleven people on this bus all the time,

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Speaker 2: which is decent space.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not easy getting out there and going

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Speaker 4: from city to city and making this all happen. I mean,

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Speaker 4: is that fair to say that people don't always understand.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely fair to say. Yeah, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of working parts and it's you know, not glamorous like

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Speaker 2: you know, some thing show. But it's also it is

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Speaker 2: fun and it's like what we've always wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: We love it and but it is a lot of

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Speaker 2: working parts. It's a lot of people that are just

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Speaker 2: busting their ass all day to get it, to make

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Speaker 2: it happen. Whether you're doing it's crazy. You know, you

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Speaker 2: do an opening slot for say, you do it over

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Speaker 2: to slot for thirty forty five minutes and you're driving

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Speaker 2: eight or nine hours to get there. Somebody's flying in

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Speaker 2: and it's like, it's crazy when you think about it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you're you jump on stage and you're

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Speaker 2: in front of this festival crowd of twenty thirty thousand

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Speaker 2: people sometimes and you're doing a forty five minutes set

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Speaker 2: and then you're out of there and lying to the

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Speaker 2: next place, you know, and you just barely barely made it. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: But everybody's having a good time, and I mean that's

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Speaker 2: that's the power of hit songs and you know, having

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Speaker 2: fans it's really cool.

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Speaker 4: Well talk about that. How when you look out at

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Speaker 4: a show and you see the crowd and you see

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Speaker 4: the smiles and the joy that you bring to people

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Speaker 4: as an artist, how does it feel?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I love It's the best. That's the best. That's it.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I'm excited to get out there this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie they had playing a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: I means it got a boogie fever. Yeah. When you

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Speaker 2: when you're on stage performing for me, it's like everything

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Speaker 2: else in the whole world, or even in your mind,

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Speaker 2: is just gone. All you're thinking about is performing those

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Speaker 2: songs and performing that crowd, and that's just a great space.

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Speaker 3: To be in.

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Speaker 5: I think you know who when instantly when you say

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Speaker 5: everybody's singing back, it validates that you've done something good,

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Speaker 5: like enough for them to want to be a part

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Well, guys, it's it's such a joy to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations on the new music. It's really special to hear

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Speaker 4: it and to hear your story and to meet you

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Speaker 4: and to know the joy that you bring to so

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Speaker 4: many of us with your music. So I really have

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Speaker 4: to thank you Matt and Scott and Barry and Josh

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Speaker 4: Harmi Lee for being on Taking a Walk. It's a

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Speaker 4: true honor.

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Speaker 2: Thank Thank you man.

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Speaker 6: It's by bus.

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Speaker 2: Thank you shu us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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