WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Prince Paul 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.720 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.200 was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:12.160 What's Up, Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.880 marks Black Music Month. We often speak about it on 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.800 Questlo Supreme and we've had some of the legends responsible 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.480 for the recognition on the show. Every day this June, 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.320 we are running a different episode from the QLs archives 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.479 to honor the tradition and intent of Black Music Month. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.640 This week we are focusing on some of the great 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.040 hip hop conversations that in the ULS catalog. Our leader 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.920 Questlove has a new book out called hip Hop Is History. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.280 Check it out at questlove dot com. Next up, we 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.160 are revisiting our conversation with legendary producer, DJ and artist 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.400 Prince Paul, who revolutionized album making and production techniques. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:01:03.560 Breathords Supremo Supremo, roll Call, Supreme O, Supremo called Suprema Supremo, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:08.000 Role called Suprema Suprema. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:13.520 Role seventy Chaka Khan. Yeah, yeah, that freaking movie. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.319 Yeah, freaking. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.759 Supreme Supreme Rod and I still messed up. I forgot 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.160 rufus Supreme Rod. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.200 My name is Fantee. Yeah it is not Eugene. Yeah, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.920 but what does touche. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.720 Suprema role called supreme Suprema role. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:44.600 My name is sugar Yeah with Prince Paul Yeah, three 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:52.640 ft high Yeah and high Supreme Suprema role called killing 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.080 Supremo Supremo roll. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.520 Yeah with Paul in the place. Yeah, you better get 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.279 out of my way. Yeah, I punch you in your face. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:11.000 Whoa Supreme son. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:11.480 Upreme my role? 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.200 Blah blah blah blah head line I missed, Yeah, shout 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:23.600 out to Prince Paul. Yeah, next up on this whoa Supreme. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.920 Supreme roll went up? The name is Paul Jesus Jesus, y'all. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.519 I don't know why I'm here, y'all, y'all. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:35.559 Hope to cease. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:39.600 Suppreme my role. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:49.400 Actually, so supreme roll came Supremo Supreme roll call Supreme. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:55.120 Supreme my role. Wait, Wow, that was pressure. Were you 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.960 actually surprised that we told you to do a verse? 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:58.560 Yeah? 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.639 Yeah, man at the top, that you're going to do it. 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.239 The last time I did Ron will Rise not falls? 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.320 All right, Well you know years later here you go, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:19.160 wow that Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, anyway, you ain't 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.200 you were on that. It was on that he was. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.720 The last one way and something you guys talking about that, 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.800 I'm not alone. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.799 It was we Yeah, your skits have been co opted 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.400 so many times by people in this room, like. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:33.799 What ladies, I got it? 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:39.119 Ladies and gentlemen, Uh, this is a special episode. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.240 It's not, ladies, and tell me this is a very 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:47.360 unspecial episode. You know. Usually I start with the. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.880 Grandios over the top intro, but really, I will say 0:03:53.280 --> 0:04:00.040 that perhaps our special guest today is one of the 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:07.520 first paradigm shifts and hip hop culture, meaning that it's 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.760 it's his it's his brain space that allowed dweebs like 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:18.120 me to uh make a living and in this world 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.640 that we call hip hop, A lot of his leftist 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:26.440 center and crazy ideas really resonated with nerds. I mean 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.800 it made nerds feel included. And thanks, what are you 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:30.559 trying to say about? 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.679 You are our leader, ladies, and tell me please welcome 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:35.799 our leader. Prince Paul. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.600 Made it after almost a year, I'm trying to be here. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.600 Oh man, you're thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.240 thank you for still coming, thank you, thank you for I. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.080 Wish I couldnt how many times I have text message 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.240 that says when is principal coming? 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.920 I'm telling you tomorrow. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.960 Oh you know, wait, yeah, there's still special this. This 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.760 is definitely going to be a nerd out episode. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.279 I don't almost thought after me being the leader of 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:09.920 the nerds apparently, I mean, do people, because I feel 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:15.640 like you are the leader of the god of people 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:20.560 that read liner notes on albums like that's that's I 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:21.520 don't have to say nerds. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.320 I'll just say if you read liner notes and you 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.160 love hip hop culture, then you know, Prince Paul is 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:27.880 a part of your life. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.280 Who doesn't read liner notes? Maybe I am the nerd 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.080 now well, I don't know line of notes to read? 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.719 Well yeah nowadays? Yeah, just look at the picture. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:36.320 Yeah. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.520 But I mean it's just, you know, a lot of 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.680 things that you've done, are you know, they speak to 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.520 just beyond the yes, yes, y'all crowd. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.359 So how are you today? 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.640 Man? I'm good. I'm glad to be here. You know, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.920 it's good to see you. I mean you, I catch 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.800 you every once in a while. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.200 It's been a second actually, you know, it's weird, like 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.560 we've been doing a few DJ gigs together and I 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:07.760 have to say that your selection your selection as of 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.839 late at least the last two or three DJ gigs 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:16.920 i've seen. I'm shocked at how you expand because usually 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.760 in our cultural range, a lot of guys like to 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.760 stay in the lane that they've been known for. Like 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:32.160 you know, certain DJs will play music that only they 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.480 produced in a certain period. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.000 I mean the Prince Paul Medle If I did that, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.560 everybody stop dancing. They try socialize, go to the bar, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.000 get drinks, you know, los igo pee no. But you 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.040 grow up in whatever order like you Actually you cater 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:51.160 to the crowd that's watching you, which I was amazed at. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.280 I was like, okay, so he's not being hard at 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.400 because a lot of people just be like yo, man, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.960 I hate this particular time period and I hate modern 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.720 hip hop and I'll just stick to you know, eighty 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.920 six to ninety four, And you were going all over 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.680 the place, like you playing trapshit that I was shocked 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:10.880 that you were even aware of. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.080 I maybe shazamed one or two songs that he played. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.720 So now, I mean, the part of it is it's 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.240 gonna sound cheesy, but good music is good music no 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.440 matter whatever. It's just harder to find it in this era. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.040 You know what I'm saying, but I'll extract stuff and 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.040 I have to thank my son for all the trap knowledge. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:30.720 Yeah that was my. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.840 It's it. You know, he's parting and I my whod 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.680 school MD James since nineteen seventy seven, since I was ten. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.240 So I come from an era where you rock the party. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:42.120 Do you know what I'm saying? 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.080 It has nothing to do with anything else. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.720 You know, It's like your job is to defeat and 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.880 annihilate every DJ that's around you and then kind of 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:51.760 make the party jump. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.000 Well yeah, you definitely uh annihilated. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:57.200 Yeah, I don't think so. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:57.880 No. 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.800 I was like because it was at the Try party. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.320 I was like, oh man, I was gonna do all 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.960 these nice soft tribe samples and. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.360 You want to do your last record? Was like little Yeah. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.200 I was like, man, I gotta they already turned sea. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:11.800 But you got it. You got a perfect because you 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:18.200 walk in and goes the lights couple no technicals, like 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.320 like wow, no kissed the ring. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.600 Anyway, We're not gonna get stuck in this circle. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.000 But I'm not going to give you a compliment. Don't worry. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.200 But then my reason where your son is a DJ 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.200 for Uzi Bird is that is that true? 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.120 Yeah, yeah, DJs. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.240 Wow, oh no, wonder you know so much of it? 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.520 I was like, yo, Paul's knowledge is amazing. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.240 Yeah, but you won't catch me dabbing anything. What's the 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.520 new dance? So I noticed, everything goes like, yes, wait, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.400 how was your son? He's twenty five? 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.520 Oh oh, you go almost to be your grandfather. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.960 Only Hey, hey, I know I'm fifty, So I guess 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:56.400 it's okay. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:57.480 At this point, you're fifty. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.079 You lookzy. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:00.520 I'm fifty years old. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.079 I'm taking a picture. No, what he's cut? He got cuts? Ladies? 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.360 Yeah, yeah, you look great at your age. Bro. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.840 What thanks? Little cuts like. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.320 In your in your chest and your stomach and in 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:12.800 your arms. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.600 Now that I was looking, I'm fasting, which is part 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.640 of it, intimated fasting. I would advised guys tell you 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.720 about an hour window. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:22.240 Yeah. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:23.280 Yeah, it's a good thing. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.040 That's what that's called. The is doing. Okay, so you 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.040 eat within that eight hour one? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.760 Yeah, yeah, it's terry crews. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.160 Terry crew. What's this called? It's in a minute fast? 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.360 Basically you eat what you want in quotation marks, I 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.600 mean because you still just can't beating function. But basically 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.840 you push all your meals to an eight hour window, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.240 so then the rest of the sixteen hours in the 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.240 day you're fasting. So say, if you get up around 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.840 like like normally, I get up around like eleven, I 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.720 hit the gym at twelve, come on, shot whatever, and 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.760 then I have my first meal of the day around 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.520 like two, So then my eating is from two to 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.080 ten and and then you know, you sleep. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.719 You know, detox spis the liver with the kidneys. If 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.720 your guy booshed the testosterone up to weigh over one 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:13.280 hundred percent, so you keep your rocket. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.360 Ten minutes into the show, we didn't talk about one 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.079 break beat. I'm sorry, that's amazing. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.600 I have to say on a very very serious note, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 is I had a sister she just passed about. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.640 Two weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.200 So cancer and a whole lot of diabetes and everything 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.200 is prevalent in my family. So which made me a 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.040 little more I guess health conscious as far as like 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.560 you know, with heat with not teat doesn't mean I'm 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.480 gonna live forever, but it does kind of play in mind. 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.400 When there's certain things you can control, you know what 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.280 I'm saying. You can control what you eat, control your exercise, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.640 control your stress. But you know, which genetic you can't control, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.600 so I try to hone in what I can control. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:00.680 Does that concern you that a lot of our you know, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.400 forget you know, the whole mentality of escaping bullets of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:07.040 the days. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.839 Of Latin Quarter or whatever it was. Yeah, Imber, those 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:09.960 days was in the middle of that. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.439 Does it Is it on your mind that a lot 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.720 of your contemporaries cannot really get past the age of 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:17.360 fifty five? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:23.240 Just escaping fifty five? Well, I'm being generous fifty So yeah, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.800 I think I think about my mortality daily. And I 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.440 hate to say that, but you know, I don't obsess 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.000 over it, but I do think about it because man, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:33.679 you know, like I said that, my sisters passed a 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.680 couple of weeks ago, and that's tough, but I only 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.520 have one sibling left. Like, just think from the time 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.480 that I was born, there's only one person that I 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.600 can think of that was around since I was a baby. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.680 In my family. Nobody else exists, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.079 So it's it's it's serious, you know. So I mean 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.080 when I think of my yeah, like you know, poetic 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.040 and I can keep going on and on and you 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.320 know friends who passed and yeah, it's it's it's scary, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.000 you know, it's really really scary. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:04.160 Well, the thing it's also you know, hip hop culture celebrates, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:10.120 uh this this victory mark of like, you know, we 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.640 made it, let's celebrate, you know. And if you think 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.600 about it, like I mean, I've I've been to many 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:22.319 a backstage ritual because she knows what what I mean 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.200 my backstage ritual. You know where a bottle patron could 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.360 be down by one person. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 Beautiful, which isn't what I'm saying that. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.280 That's not natural, you know what a certain age, Yeah, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.560 that's not natural to you know, consumed. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:42.560 I like to do over excessive party and the celebrate, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.439 which hip hop is known for. And it's like eventually, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.600 I guess it's going to catch up to you at 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:48.240 a certain age. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.400 But see, this is interesting because hip hop is so 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.680 young that this conversation within itself is like a nuance. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.360 But it could become a trend because you guys are 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.360 agent with hip. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.520 Hop, you know, but the kids, now it's a difference. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.679 I mean when you look at our age bracket, it's like, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.440 you know, dudes drink, they smoke, they might you know, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.640 depend on whatever you and you might sniff or whatever 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.040 the case is. Now kids are just dropping random pills 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.720 and stuff that's in alt like chemically everything in your body, 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:14.080 and you. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.960 Don't know what the effects that that's gonna be at, Like, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.760 you don't know like all these cats doing all this 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.319 shit now, like what are they gonna look like? 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.360 At thirty four? It was like cracking the eighties. I remember, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.280 you know kids who smoked weed and you know, mescaline 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.160 and drop tabs whatever. Yeah, crack was smoking crack, but 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.000 they didn't know the long term effects. But a year 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.040 later you see cats just like Jack freak out. Yeah. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.560 And then so now you look back on and he's 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.880 like smoke crack, you bake it, you know, so yeah 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.440 saying you're right, same thing with the kids. Now, you 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.439 don't know what's gonna happen. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.000 You know, where were you born? 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.400 I was born in Queens Flesh, not Long Island, not 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.560 Long Island, so I moved out. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.520 When has anyone in hip hop purely been born in 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.840 Long Island or like, do families just migrate to Long 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.240 Island because that's like the safe place and you. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.160 Won't Now that's moving up, you know, when you when 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.040 you lived in Brooklyn, Queens. Whatever the case is, you 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.560 move to Long Island's suburbs. Is the country at least 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.960 back in those days. You know, it's like, you know, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.520 you lived in in a confined area, the projects you 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.000 lived where ever, you know, like my grandma she lived 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.160 in uh that's how I Mettend and Glenmore Plaza in Brownsville. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.760 And yeah, it was rough. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:23.040 It was rough. It was rough, but like this, it 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:24.720 was so rough. I remember back when I had to 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.240 go to Daddy O's house in order to collect money. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.160 I had to dress like a crackhead to get in 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:36.560 and out. I used to wear a leather cap. I 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.560 gotta disguise yourself as a zombie. He lived in the 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.720 New Lots Plaza, and I was like, man, I got 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.680 to pick up some money. How did I do this? 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.880 I really thought about. I was like, yo, I used 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.200 to dress. I had leather this one leather baseball caps 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:49.120 was out, but it was kind of. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:55.600 Old, skinny ones like Eddie Murphy. It was regular baseball 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:56.800 want some wrinkled up clothes. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.520 And I would just walk into his plaza talking to myself, Man, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.600 I was skinny anyway, so come out with like I 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.040 don't know, flowering at dollars that. Oh this was like 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.640 eighty four, eighty five really yeah, eighty six. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.960 Yeah right, it's kind of brilliant. Did you share that 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:12.760 method with others? 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.040 Man? You know, but it worked. I see nothing, you know, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:19.480 I see no other dudes get robbed. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:23.600 People wouldn't know. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.360 You know, chain's going, things going. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:28.760 See that's the thing. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.000 Everyone has all these glorious stories of like back of 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.720 that era, and I'm like, yo, you weren't cautious, like 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.040 rolling by itself crazy. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.400 That's what New York was beautiful though. I mean the 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.840 crime kind of gave it a vibe in the cultures. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.280 So you have fond memories of those of. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:47.160 Back in the day. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.520 Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, it was crime 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.880 and yo, and I got robbed Like I was a 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.080 in a thing while doing a show with stets of 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.760 Sonic and these dudes came in and they just it 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.960 was just taking people's stuff. There's like just bum rush 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.840 the whole thing. It was all this craziness and not 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.560 get this was I don't want to say during the show, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.360 but it was kind of in between shows. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.760 I don't know. I think the Fat Boys might have 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.160 performing at night. It was. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:14.960 It was that era. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.040 You know what I'm saying, I'll be goddamn if I 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:25.120 get robbed, yo, but yeah, you. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.480 Know, but it was just everything getting turned over. People 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.080 screaming and dudes had guns. And here I am trying 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.000 to leave the spot with my homeboy because he drove 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.320 me out, and you know, the dude's long story. They 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.560 were coming to get out the club. I had to 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.760 go upstairs and they were coming downstairs simultaneously. They said 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.880 something to my boy and I was like, man, you 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.760 don't know him, We're we don't. Oh, oh you're talking now. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.480 I was like, oh, I'm all of one hundred and 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:51.760 twenty pounds at the time. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.600 Next thing I know, they took my little velcraw wallet that. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.160 Yeah, and I had. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.520 I had to admit I had a fake chain. It 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:04.720 was like a little thick chain. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.199 And had a pe remember like the initials with had 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.000 the box Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. They took that off 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:15.120 my deck and that's all I got. Yeah one time, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.919 But you know what, it made me cautious and the 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.080 man I have today, and it made me even more 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.600 hip hop. You know what I'm saying, he can't be 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.080 hip hop? Get robbed. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:28.320 Oh damn. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.640 Now I'm thinking now if you I think you everyone 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.879 been robbed by a record companies. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.600 Yeah, I was about to say that I've got robbed. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:40.640 So you said you were. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.440 DJing at the age of ten for a long time. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.159 You come from a music family or. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.520 Like, uh no, I mean, you know, aside from the 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.199 old school. My dad collected jazz records. My mom, you know, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.919 collected records. My siblings are ten years and plus older 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.080 than me or where I should say. So, you know, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.040 they were teenagers, so. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:01.960 How many all together? 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.399 Was four? Now it's just me and my brother, okay, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.120 And so yeah, I mean, I you know, being a kid, 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.639 you want to be like them, and so they collect 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.640 the records. So while they were my friends were into toys, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.520 I was into buying records. And I still have the 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.320 I have the first forty five I bought. Two I 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.840 bought was Groove Me King Floyd and hot Pants, and 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.480 I still have it. I was five years old, bought 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.359 it from Maid's department store in Long Island. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.159 How much did it costs back then? Forty fives were 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:28.560 how much? 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.440 I think that for like less than a dollar each? 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.240 You know, did you mark your name on your records 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.560 like everyone oh yeah, yeah, I still got them. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.520 they're still mark it and and the breakbeats. When you 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.600 get in the eighties all washed out, yeah I still 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:42.800 got it, stuck. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.520 Onto albums right the forty five Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.119 still got them all hissed out. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.000 Right the same. Yeah, I love it. It's funny now 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.840 because now I'm looking for that sound and that sort 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:04.080 of texture and wax, and you can't find it where 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.000 all your the beginnings of your records just having a 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.440 horrible Really you're looking for that. 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.120 Well, I'm trying to know, man, we could swap out 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.080 with some fresh no, no, no, no, I mean it's 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.920 just it's weird, like hearing say, like the chant breakbeat 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.200 clean clean, it's no well and piece the President clean, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.479 and I know where the stems are, Like, it just 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.840 don't sound the same without Yeah, a little static at 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.560 the beginning, and it's. 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.640 Hard the conversation. Yeah, you're right, we're just getting started. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.760 You're right about this. So where was your first DJ gig? 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.520 If you were like, who would let you on the 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:44.400 turntables at ten? 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.720 Well, what happened, Well, what happened was like all black 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:48.240 folks say no. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.720 But what happened was I pieced together a DJ set. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:58.040 I had a Lafayette. It was a Lafayette like plastic 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:03.040 little turntable at my mom's component set, which was had 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.680 a turntable attached to it. But the turntable didn't work. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.280 So I figured out a way to take one of 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.919 another cheap turntable we had around the house, and I 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.359 put my turntable left her turntable right, and used the 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.240 balance button as a mixer as a to blend the 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.959 two together. And then I put it in mono so 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.720 it came out one speaker, so I couldn't que it, 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.520 but I was able to go back and forth and 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.560 after a while at balance, now I've got you know good. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.560 I was like because it wasn't really scratching. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:37.560 It was just like bent bent bent b really yeah, 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.240 it was you know, like what year period was, This is. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.960 Like seventy seven, seventy seventy seven, even. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.679 Before like DJ culture was known to me. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:51.200 Yeah, this was like because you know, going like said, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:56.080 my grandmother lived in Brooklyn, Long Island had DJs, But 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.480 it was like you know, you're thinking of like it 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.760 was like in the early days of like more disco, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.440 you know, and if breaks were played, it was disco breaks. 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.359 And if any break existed back then, it was probably 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.680 like Seron Looked for Love. That might have been seventy eight, 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.040 but it was just disco breaks. Yeah, you had to 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:14.720 get down and on stone. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.760 So who were your gods and queens that you look 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:17.320 to that. 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.000 P DJ Jones It was probably like you know when 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.240 you think of like, oh, you know, because it was 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:27.360 more systems back then. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.399 Then get the respect that you know, the gods of 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.200 the Bronx get because I hear even Tip speaks like 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.560 DJ Jones was before all those guys. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.160 Oh yeah, you know, it depends on where you're from. 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:41.800 You know, I think has a lot to do with it. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.280 You know, Tips from Queens. You know, I'm Long Island 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.600 kind of Queens Brooklyn type thing. So yeah, I mean 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.000 that was who we looked up to. And like I said, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.560 back then, it was more power than it was skilled. 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.359 Had none of the skill was like, but it was 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.199 power and records. So if you could blow somebody out 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.560 and the speakers and you had records, oh what without 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.600 a doubt with base bottoms and random stacked up amps. 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:08.800 So how did you build How would you build your system? 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.760 Oh, I just didn't. I did the opposite. I had 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:12.600 to work on skill. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.639 You know what I'm saying, it's still records equipment and 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.840 didn't have the equipment and begged for people to get on. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.320 And so probably one of the first gigs I got 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.000 on with a lot of people. I was probably in 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.080 the seventh grade, and that was a friend of mine 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:27.920 named Paul Carrey. They had a group called the Young 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.600 Blood Crew, and that was in Long Island and I 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.760 got on and I remember I was cutting what record 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.480 was out? Was it seventh grade, eighth grade? It might 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:41.320 have been Midnight Plane or Trouble Funk, I don't remember. 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.960 I don't remember what it was. But yeah, it's a 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.720 lot of people. I was nervous, but I thought I 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:47.200 was nice. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.640 Were you throwing on once you got on real turntables? 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:50.479 Of course? 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.359 Yeah, when you get on real stuff, it's like whoa, 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.720 It's like it's like driving a probably I would guess 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.600 with a you go to a to a maserati, you 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.679 know what, Like yeah, you know you're not like fighting 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.040 fighting a steering you know, saying the breaks, you don't 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.840 have to step one extra hard. Everything's like, because back 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:13.359 then I was my friends had the eighteen hundreds, and 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.800 I think before then it was the eleven hundred. A's 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.720 the big doofy looking ones, right, yeah, but it was 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.960 from that to the eighteen hundreds, and then all I 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.199 could afford. Once I started getting turntables, I had a 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:29.879 BSR and then eventually graduated to a B man, not 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.000 one O one. I can't remember it was a B one, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.639 but it was the one with the strobe light that 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.160 was on this the right hand side and the lower part. 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.960 I think DST had the same ones. I'm nerding out 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:40.480 right now. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:44.959 You no, no, no, no, no making me nerd out? 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:49.919 Tell me more, yeah, djorn, I think I think it 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:50.560 was a B ten. 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.240 I think the turntables I can't remember exactly, but those 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.000 were my first real like techniques. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.639 Now, were these teased? 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:57.080 You know? 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:02.600 Were these acquired? YEA blackout of seventy seven? 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:03.199 You know? 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.760 Did you have rich grandparents? I remember the black out 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:08.880 of seventy seven because I was leaving Brooklyn and I've 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.640 seeing the lightning bolt. The lightning came down and then 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:15.200 everything blacked out and we was actually my grandmother's house 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.280 in Brooklyn. So I wasn't there for all the festivities 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.199 because I was going back to Long Island. But I 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.800 got these things by and it's gonna sound cheesy to 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.520 like a lot of kids nowadays, but you know I 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:27.879 was taking apart bikes, putting them together and selling them, 0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.840 painting them, you know, shwins, you know. So that that 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.000 was my thing. I was just everything was swapped back 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.360 then you traded. You traded, trade until you trade it up, 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.119 and you prayed for a decent birthday or Christmas or 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.760 you know, And that's how I kind of it was 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.240 piece by piece by piece by piece by piece by piece. 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:49.000 Well that's hustling, yeah, yeah, and honest, yeah, I can't 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.960 say that. You know, I was hugging. I was hugging 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.960 the block, you. 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:56.760 Know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.080 say that. I wish I could have that story. Then yeah, 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:00.840 man came up what I'm saying. I had to leave 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:09.120 it alone. Who's your first crew, my friend? 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.240 I mean, when you had your first My first crew 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.320 was in the I still got the shirt too. My 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.879 first crew was in the sixth grade and it was 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.080 my friend Charles and Mitchell Robinson who lived next door 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:24.960 and I remember there was like, Yo, we're gonna make 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.440 a crew and you're gonna be the DJ, and I'm 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:33.120 like really And our crew was the ever Ready Crew. Yo. 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.119 I still got the shirt is mad young and on 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.840 the friend has a Yamaha motorcycle like dcal Yeah, because 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:44.080 ironed the letters on the back, man, Yo, I got 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:45.879 that jo. I need to post it. Once I got 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.960 to stop being anti social media started posting stuff. 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.680 But yeah, yeah that was my first crew. 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.440 And yeah, I remember we tried to make tapes and 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.880 stuff for people and they were saying, this is horrible. 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:01.640 Do you know you still those things? 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:01.840 Yeah? 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.600 I have an early pause tape from probably about seventy 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:07.480 eight that I still have. I played not too long ago. 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.720 I was clean out my house and I found nice Okay, yeah, yeah, 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.880 it's it's it's horrible, but it was good back then. 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.000 Back then, were you running with any of the contemporaries 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:20.680 that you would later make music with decades later, Like 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.159 you know, was was Daddy O coming up in the 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.639 scenario during this period or well? 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.200 I didn't meet Daddy until I joint Stetton probably like 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.720 eighty three eighty four, But in Long Island, I knew 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.520 Biz because Bis used to come up to my school. 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.000 So we he's come out the house. We used to 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.760 make tapes. So those tapes like which I had that 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.080 was around when I was in eighth grade. He would 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.560 so there's tapes of you and Buz marking making. There 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.399 has to be somewhere there was cassettes. He's come over 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.800 the house. He was polls cassette like all right, you know, 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:51.000 he'd you know, meet me up at the high school 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.840 and ambul High School and we you know. 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:55.160 Y'all went to school together. 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.320 He no, yeah, I don't man. Biz lived way out 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.560 like in Quorum or something weird part of Long Island, 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.440 and he would I don't know how he would magically 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.959 end up in Amneville High School or there are there 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.920 abouts and Wine Dance, which everybody know rock Him's from 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.080 and and you know Chili Dog and all those guys, 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.480 and so he would just end up at the schools 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.159 and you're like, here's gonna make a tape, you know, 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.439 and and y know to this day he'll tell you, man, 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.520 I remember he came by my house. And this was 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.040 the last time we made it, or supposedly made a tape. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.800 Was He's like yo, I was busy at the times, Like, yo, 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:28.280 can I borre your records? I was like, what do 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:28.600 you need? 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.840 Give me Rocket in the Pocket God made me funky. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.880 It was some other record and he never brought it back. 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:40.000 Oh really, Biz Marky and he took it to my 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:47.560 man Divine's house. No, no, yeah, it's kidnamed DJ Divine 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.000 and he uh yeah, and bis will Brandupton's day. He's like, yo, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.959 I know I got your records. I owe your Rocket 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.920 the Pocket made me funky, and I can't remember that. 0:27:57.960 --> 0:27:59.760 He'll probably tell you the other records and these are 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:04.080 the originales, not like the the the guy. 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.640 Made me funky was original? No, they all were original, Yeah, 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.320 because the Rock in the Pocket was the Atlantic, right 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:14.560 yeah yeah yeah man, I'm really getting upset. Let's get him. 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.119 Regulars are worth money, man, what yo? 0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.000 Did you and Biz ever battle? Like like what we 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.119 say Jonan and DC. But we know like Biz is 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.480 like the king of the equips and going in and whatnot. 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.600 Oh it's snapping up. Yeah, he was less snappy back then. 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.000 You know you know what I remember, You know, I 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:33.880 give a lot of credit to bisin and and I'll 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.280 say this, and I told him. I'm very proud of him, 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.360 and as we got older, it is because he was 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.680 getting teased a lot, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:41.840 he would come to the school. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.040 You know, I'm he was always a character. 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.600 Yeah, yeah, he was always Yeah, he didn't want to be. 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.920 I mean as legend would have it. And people tell 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:59.280 you Biz could tell you some good stories. What that 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.400 has not changed? You know what I'm saying that his 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.360 that's from from childhood. But you know a lot of that. 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.400 Like I said, you know, kids would teasing, well, you 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.120 suck this, you ain't that? And so when he made 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.760 the vapors all that it to me, it was like, Okay, 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.880 that was his moment. Yeah, that that was it. It's 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.920 like he did it like he he traveled outside of 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.600 Long Island into like the Bronx, and he would come 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:27.000 back with a he had a notepad of records. Yo, 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.400 you got this record he had all written down. I 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.640 guess like things he was flying out from other DJs. 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:38.120 It never changes, it ship never changes with Biz. Right, 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.960 He's still the same person. I got it still you 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.760 do you do you believe his Mardy Gross story? 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.080 What the what the Mary was it? 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.560 The forty five without the bells on, without the bells 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:48.840 on it. 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.600 You know what's so weird? We just want to believe it. 0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:01.200 He mixes up with you know, falsity, he's with the reality. 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:06.080 So it's it's so hard to kind of like it 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.440 reminds me of an offense to what was that show 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:15.760 that was on Netflix? Oh, get down to get down, 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.400 like it was some random like magical crap with real stuff. Right, 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.800 That's that's bit, you know what I'm saying, Like, he's 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.720 that dude you gonna so you mix it up together 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.280 and you don't know what it is. And then he 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.560 will bring that record that Mighty Gras with no Belsie, like, 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.040 oh my god, I thought he was sorry telling But 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:33.840 then he'll live out something else that's just so far 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.760 that you might think it's true, but it's love. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.240 And then he get loud about it, like what you're saying, 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:40.080 son is true. 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.040 Somebody you ask ask quest love, ask him, Yes, you'll 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.520 get him on. Call him right now, tell him, tell 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.920 him what I got. Yes, you are nailing it on. 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.880 I've noticed since I was what freaking fourteen, you know, 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.480 I wanted to call him. Bus Ones came in to 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.640 me once. Now I think of anything I've collected. 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.600 I know soulitering the best, so you can't get me 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.760 on no sultrying trivia whatsoever. And business is trying to 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.480 convince me. Quest I got an episode of James Brown 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.120 doing Funky President with the drum break extended in the 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:23.200 beginning for like a minute before. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.240 He says funk. 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.200 I got that question, and at some point you're just like, 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.840 all right, okay, I believe quest I got that. 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.920 Yeah, that's that sounds about him speaking of soul training 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.840 that that means you have the episode with Captain Sky 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:42.240 on it. 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:46.360 Yes I do. I remember I seen that one time 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:47.040 when it came on. 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.200 Yes I have, which is weird because he wasn't even 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.560 introduced at the top of the show, so you wouldn't 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.880 know that Captain Sky was on Soul Training. Who was 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.920 Captain Scott super sperb oh supersperb oh okay god, but. 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:00.840 He wasn't saying super sper no, hell no. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.960 Get away with that. Like part of me was like, 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.360 it's so blatantly out there. Maybe like they spelled it 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:19.360 sporm right, yeah, I thought some like uh, some spacey references, yo, 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.000 Like that was a great. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:26.960 Thank you sir, I got you. I got you like 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:28.520 that was great way for my sound face. 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.680 Okay, all right, well I'm sorry I had to sound effect. 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:32.800 I let that blanqu up. 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:33.160 Okay. 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.560 Anyway, so. 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:38.920 You said Sets the Sonic started. 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:39.320 In eighty four. 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.240 Well, I joined them around eighty probably end eighty three, 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.160 eighty four, because I think I was in the I 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.800 was in eleventh grade, I think, yeah, started eleventh grade. 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.280 Somewhere in eleventh grade, so that was probably around eighty four, 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:54.720 so they were already established. 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:59.000 Yeah. When I met them. In the group was a 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:04.680 guy named I think it's Grand Supreme Delight Daddy O 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.080 and Wise had just joined the group a week before 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:12.720 and they just had battled or some contests and the 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.440 Mister Magic Rap Attack thing in Cony Island and they 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.040 had won. And part of the deal, I think the 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:21.680 prize was a record deal with sugar Hill. Oh my god, 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.000 whoa and and you know apparently that didn't that didn't 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:29.800 materialize out I'm like, damn, yeah, that was nothing part 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.320 of part of the deal. And I met I met them, 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.840 like I said, a week after that happened, and then 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.480 became their DJ, which was which was amazing. 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.720 Okay, So for those that are kind of underage that 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.600 are listening to the show. It should be noted. 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:48.320 I don't know what you meant when you said under age, 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.200 because you're up there with us. 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.480 I know you're not U. 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.800 Yeah, you just put it back down in her twenties. Anyway, 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.880 for those that are listening, it's me noted that uh 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.440 Paul was a member of Statsu Sonic, the very first 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:06.960 noted hip hop band. 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:12.359 Here's the thing though, now I first heard of you guys. 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.360 Via Philly, where there was no Latin Quarter experience or 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:23.160 anything of that nature, and Spin magazine, so I'm reading 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.680 that you guys were banned. It's weird though, because even now, 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:33.200 besides maybe the video for Nobs Allowed, that's the only 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:38.800 visual I have of you guys being a band. Like 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:43.719 it's did you guys not invest in camera equipment back 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.719 in the day, like with your advanced Like I can't 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:51.080 find one that's of Sonic performance on but everyone like 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:55.200 Chuck d will swear to God that you had to 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:56.120 have been there to see it. 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.800 Yeah, it was certain, you know, Like, are there no 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.439 performances on tape that you own? Or yeah, I don't 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.040 have any because I remember the tour. Probably what Chuck 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.200 d is talking about because I know when it was 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.480 at the quarters, there weren't it wasn't set up for 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.279 us to you know, have a drum kit and have 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.879 you know, certain things. So it's usually like two turntables. 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.759 But when we were on man was it the Deaf 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.320 Jam Tour. I can't remember what tour, but at some 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.680 point we were starting to travel like with the drum kit, 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.160 DBC on the keys and me on the turntable. Wise 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.799 on the human beat box. But you know, back then, 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.200 especially being in an open and act, nobody wanted to 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.719 like cater to having a band, you know what I'm saying. 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:47.520 So so so you have a drum tech and no man, 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.600 it was like, oh you got drums all because they 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.359 used to just meant miney. Back then, DJs brought their 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.800 own turntables. You brought there was no backline you know 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.600 what brought everything. So it's like to bring it in 0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.640 and to have it set up and then go from 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.000 place the place to place to place. They were like, 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.440 this is this is not practical for us and you 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.920 guys are only an opening band, you know group, So 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.000 so we always had to kind of cut down. But 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.440 in cases where we're able to have our whole setup. 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.840 That's why you probably see anything. It was limited in 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.680 that case because it was usually opening act. I remember 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:21.839 on the Death Jamp tour was us in public Enemy 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.720 opening up, you know, and we shared a bus together. 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.320 That shows how how. 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.120 You know it's a lot of. 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.840 Hold twelve Ye look man, it was public adity and 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.879 and stetisnic. I mean that's how much you know we were, 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.080 you know, Katie are the small guys of course, you 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:48.320 know you got lud Jadjy, Jeff Fresh Prince, you know 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.759 ver b rock Hill. Yeah, you know in the case 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.759 you run DMC, but you know productions would come in 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.240 and yeah, it's like, oh man, it got the nice stuff. 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.279 Like I said, it's between the Yougo and the Masa Rot. 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.319 You know, it's amazing what a couple of hit records 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.560 will do. It definitely put you up the ladder the 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.040 food chain slightly. So how do you how do you feel? 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.239 The one thing that we've learned on the show is 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.200 that this drum roll. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.520 Meant hydro chain. What oh man? 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:27.960 That was like the according to everyone that's been on 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:29.880 the show that was old enough to be at the 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:30.560 Latin Quarter. 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:34.040 Yeah, that this was the national anthem for. 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:40.799 The said it was three records this one and like yeah, yeah, 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.040 we get we get real violent in the Latin quarters. 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:47.600 It's like, but I mean for that for ghost stats 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:48.400 and who produced that? 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:53.040 Actually it's well, it's going to be disputed. DBC came 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:57.160 up with the concept. He had rank rank rank, you know, 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.920 using open the tome zones, right, and then Daddy Oh 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.840 came up with the idea of putting the live drums 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.240 behind it. So it was a collaboration of those two gentlemen. 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.160 Who is whose Go Brooklyn? Is that? 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.040 Which is weird because it's like it's that's probably the 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:18.000 most iconic part of that, I mean of the song. 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:19.600 I mean besides the lyrics. 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:19.840 And you know. 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.880 Drums, yes, oh that's all of us. That's you know, 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.759 so my voice isn't a lot of those random hip 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:32.640 hop records somewhere buried underneath Go Brooklyn Brooklyn. So how 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.480 do you edge your ideas? And you're. 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:38.600 Like, are you giving a say? 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.360 Or it's like six of you and I can imagine 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.319 all right, you remember if you remember Torri's Brooklyn Prince 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:50.239 when he spoke of okay, So Tory wrote a book 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.160 on Prince. Yeah, I'm no, no, But I mean the 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.120 one thing that you could really learn from that book 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.759 was was how the generations work. And when Prince is 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.720 opening for the Rolling Stones, he gets booed mercilessly because 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:10.720 Prince a baby boomer born in nineteen fifty eight. Baby 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.400 boomer is of course between like thirty eight to fifty 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.160 eight sixty one give or take. 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:22.239 That. Prince can't transuh. 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.279 Translate his vision to baby boomers, but who have a 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.800 better time doing it to generation next sixty one to 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:30.319 eighty two. 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.359 So I almost feel like in stets of Sonic, were 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.000 you even? Because even. 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:43.480 On Blood the album Yeah Bus but No Tears, there 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.960 was a cut on side to h are you coming? 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:51.480 Yeah Yeah yeah, which was like would have been perfect 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.560 on a Dailight soul record, kind of out of place 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.160 on a stets of Sonic record. It's almost like your solo. 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.000 Joint because you know, I made it in the student 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:01.880 because we had extra time and I was being funny 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:03.920 and they're like, yeah, just put on the record, Like 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:08.360 are you sure all right? I'll do it? You know 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:10.600 why not? Yeah? You know, no, the song is done 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.520 and Paul's a sucker, and you know, there's a few 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.000 other songs, right. 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.040 And well, I'm saying that by that point, did you 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.560 have more leverage, because it's like, well, Prince Paul, you 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.360 know my producer, and. 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.920 I think part of it a little bit is leverage, 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.360 and not like it was onaned. Like I like my 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.080 position and sets the sonic of being the DJ and 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.879 producing some songs, and I like the idea of collaboration. 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.880 When it's collaboration, you know what I'm saying, as opposed 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:37.600 to kind of like. 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.359 We're gonna take off some scratches and I'm gonna put 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.960 this and you know that where it gets a little touchy, 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:47.319 you know, but when we're all working together collectively as 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.680 one mind and kind of making something. Those are the 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.919 first two records, you know what I'm saying. Clearly, it's 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.560 just started getting weird as the third record came around. 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.680 And you know what's weird is like we never broke up, 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.279 Like we just never we just stopped talking to each other, 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.320 so it was never official breakup. It was just like, 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:09.120 I mean, all the way from the eighties to now, 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.400 with the exception maybe frou Kuan leaving the group, like 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.480 we've never broke up, you know, it's just it's a 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.719 question you just kind of just and they're still together. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.640 we just kind of just drifted away. Yeah, then that's 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.600 what it's been. But but the the just to answer that, 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.759 how to get my say was Dayla soul. You know 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.120 what I'm saying Like that was my ability to kind 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.759 of really kind of do what I wanted to do, 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:38.799 which was nice. It was nice. 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:43.000 Daylight was the three feet High was eighty nine, right, 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.879 And then I'm trying to just put together the time 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.879 of that sonic when was I think eighty eighty right, okay? 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.799 And the on Fire was eighty six eighty six? Yeah, 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:55.920 So I want to take a guess, because it's really 0:41:56.000 --> 0:42:00.239 not listed on the album. Did you produce TV see 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:01.080 let the music play? 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:01.400 No? 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:03.480 No, DBC did that. 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:06.839 Damn. 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.960 Of course I wouldn't even figure that his own namesake 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.040 would were producing. 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.000 Did you do music for the step wee insane? Of course? 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.120 You know what makes me mad as ship? Now this 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.120 is gonna punch me. 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.400 No, no, no no, this this goes out to Armine 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:30.160 who owns all the Westbound stuff? Lady, Yeah, yeah, when 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:36.520 the Atmosphere's sample from Funkadelic. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:37.520 Bernie Warrel can't beat him. 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.920 Yeah, but now in the in the new. 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.839 Like if you buy the reissued CD or you listen 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:51.359 on on streaming, the first twenty seconds of that song 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:52.480 is just cut off abruptly. 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:54.080 Why did he do that? 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.400 It basically starts off good evening and I'm like, where's 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.400 the Yeah, that's the beauty of it. 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:03.680 It's like nowhere to be found. Also, speaking of which, 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:10.080 on three ft High and Rising, uh, what's more, starts 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.560 off with pluck two. It doesn't start off with mercy, like, 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:14.400 it doesn't start. 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:18.279 Off there's three seconds clipped off of it. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.120 And also on Brain Wants to Be a Follower, it 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:22.759 just starts with. 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:32.400 Like yeah, it's just like you know, it's like the 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.239 first five seconds of the song is just cut off 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:36.439 and it just starts that way. 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.560 Whoever was making the IDs didn't know what they were doing. 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.839 Or I'm just thinking that the tape was damaged or something. 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:44.840 But even for what's more that they don't need to 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:45.480 cut that off. 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:47.880 I don't think they cut it off on purpose, Like 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:53.520 obviously maybe somebody was paying attention exactly, so just make 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:59.400 sure that you know, but you did music with the 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.640 stepinitely insane, Yeah, Okay, did you do pen and paper? 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:04.040 Yeah, I knew it. 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:07.400 Yeah, that was I had the sequential Tom drum machines. 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:07.800 I still have. 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:08.800 I love that drum machine. 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.480 So how were you with operating that equipment? Like are you. 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.600 Was it just a learning process or I'm trying to 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.399 find one person from that period that like actually read 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.520 the man you want to know how to make drum beats? 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:27.480 And oh no, you didn't read anything. I mean, I mean, 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.440 I mean for me, if you're thinking of the process 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.120 was as soon as grand Master Flash had a beat 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:35.600 box on Flash into the beat he said, oh my god, 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:36.160 what is that? 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.200 I gotta get one of those. And you can never 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:40.840 get that one. So you got a rhythm machine. 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.799 Then from a rhythm machine, so you find something else programmable, 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:45.960 and you know, went on and on, and that was 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:47.640 for me. You know, it's like my friend was selling 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:51.480 a sequential Tom, which I couldn't afford a DX at 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:53.080 the time or DMX at the time. 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:54.200 I got that. 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.040 It had to reverse button converse the drums, and you know, 0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.200 that was it. That's how I learned how to program. 0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.640 You know how drummers are, especially back then, it's like 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.000 a car. I hate compare to the car. But you know, 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.880 your lights are on one side in a car, but 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:08.320 it's on a dash and another car. But it's the 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.040 same function but in different places. So drum machines are 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.800 technically all the same, but just different buttons and different locales. 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:16.799 You know. So once you figured out one, you kind 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:18.279 of figured out the other thing. And you might have 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.319 to look at the mandal for one thing. Like there's 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:24.120 no going to the YouTube, you know, just see the tutorial, 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.520 you know, you had to, Like, man, somebody didn't know. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.560 You looked it up, you know, and you read it. 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.520 Besides uh, well, speaking of equipment, besides uh, strictly, Dan ducky, 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:39.320 did you ever use that Cassio SK one for anything? 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.480 You used the school board crush? Oh we did? 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.520 That was SK five, That was I think that was 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.800 the upgraded versus. Yeah, I think Dave had that. That 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.319 was that was I think that was Dave's keyboard. Yea, 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:49.840 So did you. 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.439 Guys use that for anything else? 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:55.600 On because even on the MTV clip and I can 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.680 see that SK five there, I was like, oh shit, 0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:58.200 they would us. 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.480 That's like some shit I had. Yeah, I love that 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:05.680 thing until it broke. Yeah, I still have it, man, 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:09.719 but it doesn't work. Yeah, I think, I don't know. 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:10.800 I don't know. 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.239 I think once we got into the regular studio, you know, 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.799 we kind of put that aside, you know, because then 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.359 you're able to loop with MIDI, so that that kind 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.839 of changed things. And and Simpty, which helped a whole lot. 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:29.439 So let's go to Dayla. 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.880 What was it about them that attracted you that you 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.879 knew or did you know like, Okay, this is gonna 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:39.080 be the next generation. 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.200 Because I think we both thought out of the box. 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.759 I think for me in Steti Sonic, which man, it 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.440 is a blessing. It was my start and I learned 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.279 everything from you know, I learned a lot from Daddy. 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.520 Oh I won't lie about that, Like he's taught me 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:51.000 a lot and. 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:53.600 To have that. 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.960 But I've always just made bizarre, quirky stuff. 0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:01.200 I remember p Fine I had his radio show rap this. 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:05.759 I did this spoof one. It was during such a 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:06.319 sonic time. 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:07.360 It was a. 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:14.440 Parody of What's Colt forty five Billy d Williams then, 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:18.359 and so that was me being silly but didn't fit 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:22.200 within stet Go Brooklyn. So I was always there, you 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.000 know what I'm say Stephanie and say it's always there, 0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:29.279 so with daylight. How the way they rhymed and there, 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.160 I guess the way they heard music was the way 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.200 I heard music, and the way I you know, thought 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.480 of like, Okay, this is entertaining, this is fun, is 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:39.800 the way they thought of it. And I think for 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.640 me with them, even though it was in them, my 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.279 job was to bring it more out and make them 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:48.719 more comfortable and embracing that being different, you know, say, 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.120 like they were all magnative, like let's do it, do it, 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.239 So why didn't you just join the group? 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.480 Because I still consider you, like when it's rock and 0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.960 roll Hall of Fame time, to me, you're billy pressed 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.960 and of it and really even the moment that without 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:08.080 you and your ideas and your input, those albums wouldn't 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:08.640 be what they were. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.440 Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I mean it's 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.000 it's a definitely collaborative effort. I mean I didn't join. 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:17.880 I don't know like they always you know, I remember 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:19.440 in those days, I was like, well you always considered 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:21.319 like a member, you like plug for blah blah blah, 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:25.799 but my whole thing and this is gonna be weird 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:29.120 was instead to sonic. I felt like I couldn't be me, 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:35.520 and so I was probably just doing the polar opposite 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:37.160 of with day Ala. I was like, I want you 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:38.440 guys be you. I'm gonna teach how to work the 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.160 equipment after the first record, you're gonna make the next 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.000 record on your own. I'm gonna teach you as much 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.640 as I know you're gonna be able to be as 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.520 creatively free as you possibly be. And that was my intention, 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:53.759 you know, And part of that is is just looking 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:55.839 from the outside, and nor did I know this record 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:57.719 would be that successful. I would tell them when we're 0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.479 making it, you know we're gonna go goal right, because 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.920 that was always you know we're gonna go but just 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.560 to make you really you didn't really believe it. I 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.880 didn't know what would happen. I mean, I remember Dave's 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.160 brother Mike would go, you know, when we was making 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.279 three ft High Rising, I don't know who's gonna like 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:13.040 this record. It's really really. 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:17.000 Bizarre and different, and he's like, you know what I'm saying. 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:21.080 How did y'all meet each other in West Philly? Was 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.840 the label the label Hookiller or how did you guys meet. 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.480 Meet me and me and me. That's fair. I love 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.440 telling the story. Uh, Macio, he's working with this dude 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.120 named Gangster B who lived around our way, and he 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.880 was making a record for mister Collins. Ever Collins, who 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.520 was uh, was playing drums for the Ossi Brothers at 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.200 the time, and mister Collins was also a music teacher 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.920 at the junior High school Ameville, and he started this 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.160 record label and his first artist on his label was 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.960 Gangster B. And so Macio was Gangster B's DJ. I 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:51.960 was the guy in the neighbor who made a record 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.839 because I was with sets of sonics. So they asked 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.719 me to program beat. And the beat I programmed was 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.359 I had to sequential tom. It was a reverse beat. 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.880 It sounded too much like like oh. And I was like, 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.080 we can't do this. It's like do it. We can't. 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.160 And that was the debate, and Masie could see me 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.200 getting frustrated. He's like, yo, I have a group, and 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.080 I think, you know, if whatever you want to do, 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.279 we'll work with you. I was like, okay, good. He's like, 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:21.000 I'll bring the tape by later in the day. It 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:22.480 was a bad dad the next day and he brought 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:26.200 by a real rough of Pluck Tunic, and my mind 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:26.680 was blown. 0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.239 I was like, that was pre made. 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:29.120 Yeah. 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.560 I was like, were you guys old enough or not 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:32.400 that your children? 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.440 Were you old enough to remember the name that sample 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.720 contest that Tommy Boy had with pluck Tuning? 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.719 No, Yeah, Like I don't need. 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.080 It's weird because they had a lot of Internet ideas, 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:47.880 the viral ideas that were out before the Internet. But 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:52.560 there would be like random stickers and the ads in 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:58.040 occasional ride on sometimes in Billboard like name that sample, 0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:59.920 Like I think we were trying to. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:02.320 You gotta mail that in. 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:03.080 Yeah. 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:10.680 It was like during the days of that death all right, 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:16.040 raising who called that? I wanted to I was afraid 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:20.800 of my father. Yeah, But I think the gem of 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:21.480 it was that. 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:26.680 I think they were trying to just pimp the fact 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:30.319 that use the Liberachi sample in the beginning, because I'm 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:34.400 thinking about the Midnight the Midnight Loop and the uh, 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.320 what's the sample? 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:42.799 I can't call I. 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:43.480 Won't say. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.440 Your quest love you know everything. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:51.120 Music, it's brainfort time anyway. 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.640 Yeah, but I thought that's what they were trying to 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.719 allude to, and I was like, Liberachi. But then I 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:03.239 realized at the beginning of the album version and now 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:05.040 I want to reach back and man and all the 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.080 world of music, like the intro right right right, which 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:09.879 I thought in their way, like are they just trying 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.080 to tell like white people like this group is real 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.160 deep because there's a Liberaci. 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:18.040 Let me take just quickly about that Liberachi sample. It 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.520 was sequencing the record. I bet a place called Island 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:24.600 Media and Long Island, and I was like, that's how 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.040 I came up with the idea of putting the skits 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.520 in between the songs. I was like, man, I got 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.800 to figure out a way to link all these ideas 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.520 and songs together. I think we made the skits and 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.400 then they had a Liberachi cassette and I was like, 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:36.759 can I see that? Can I play that? And I 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:38.160 heard his voice like ooh, let's put that. 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:43.759 In the beginning. It wasn't really that elaborative thought. 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.560 It was just whatever. It's like, you know whatever. Those 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:49.920 records were all m Guy Ford. It wasn't like it 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:51.600 was like kind of sat there and we were just like, yeah, 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.640 we're gonna pre plan a lot of this live was like, okay, 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:56.200 what's around us, let's look at that. 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:57.720 Let me not take for granted. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.920 Also again for our listeners that are getting familiar with 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:07.759 Prince Paul, I'll say that probably the contribution that he 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:12.200 is really noted for in the world of production is 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:16.160 really turning your listening experience into. 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:19.840 I won't even say a. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:21.719 Three dimensional I don't know how to explain it, Like 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:26.320 it was movies without visuals, Like you introduced the idea 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:32.960 of sketches and skits experience, and you somehow found adhesives to. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.280 Glue all those songs together. 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:39.080 Not to mention besides, I mean, I know that Public 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.480 Enemy was the first to do interludes and have more 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:45.960 than the traditional ten songs on the record, but you 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.680 guys were going overboard with like twenty three, twenty. 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.440 Four, twenty five, So that was by design that idea. 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.080 So it wasn't like you saw nation of millions like, oh, 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.719 we can go past sixteen songs. You know what I did, 0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:00.960 It was this is the junior mar marketing brain of 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.080 Paul at twenty or twenty one at the time. 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:04.640 Was let's hear it. 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:08.359 I was like, yo, you know what, everybody wants more 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:10.680 bank for that buck. Even though these are little skits 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.440 and all these other things. We're all label them as songs. 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:15.560 So when you look on the back of that regular 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.040 colic holy songs, I got that and that's the reason 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:20.760 why I did just the bluck people out. 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:25.920 And guess which dwead. This dwee right here was like, 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.839 oh my god, five jams. And that's weird because even 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.759 even you know, the first three four Roots records are 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.680 like up in the nineteenes and twenties. I'm you know, 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:38.680 Rich was like, you know, dog, we got twelve songs. 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:40.920 We're done. I'm like, no, man, we gotta have inelus. 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.960 Give them more money, you know, like make bank for 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.319 the fuck. You look at it as a consumer, You're like, oh, 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.160 this is all right, because records weren't cheat, you know 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:49.680 what I'm saying. 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.840 But the thing with the Daylight Records is that you 0:54:54.840 --> 0:55:01.960 really captured the teenage spirit of just I don't know 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.480 what it was. It's like you want it to be there. 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.279 It was almost like a documentary where like all those 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.680 inside jokes that we didn't know, he has a bunch 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.560 of them, and it became part of our slang we 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.239 didn't know, and you gotta explain what Crocker means. 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:18.200 But it's just how. 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.640 How are you documenting this stuff because some of the 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.879 stuff I can see like Okay, we're in the studio, okay, 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.719 and press and then we start doing a skit, which 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.960 is like, okay, well they're making a skit, but it 0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.360 sounds so natural of the moment, like shit like. 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:38.080 Or even then oh yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, that's that's 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.640 that's that. Yeah, that's all Dave Man skipped to loot. 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:46.040 So you would just keep a cassette running and live 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.840 MIC's were always in the studio and because some of 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.440 that stuff just sounds like it was just of the 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.040 moment and there's no way to recreate this stuff. 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:59.480 And that's what it is. It's like I say, record everything, 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.520 keep every thing, you know what I'm saying, even though 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:03.719 tape was expensive at the time, but a lot of 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:06.240 stuff was either after the song went off or before 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.920 the song came on those moments. So for Daylight so 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:10.399 was dead. 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:17.600 Did you guys just have accessible h slick Rick, I 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:23.200 can't be your lover like just on standby in case, 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.919 like you know, even now I'll have like sound effects, yeah, 0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:30.240 like who had that stuff on standby. 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.560 To just it was just you know, you ever have 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.759 like within your group of friends a joke that just 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.840 won't die, you know. Yeah, it's called quest Love Supreme. 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:42.600 So I mean, that's all it is is just take 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:45.600 it at you know, the one joke that won't die 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:47.839 and just keeping it on deck, you know what I'm saying, 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:50.640 Like eventually, some point you're gonna have to unplug the 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.480 drum machine, like at the beginning of the day, are 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.239 you like, Okay, let me cue up that slick rick 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.840 and play some funny shit happens and keep the tape rolling. 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:03.160 And no, that's was. Yeah, it's kind and honestly, I 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.319 don't even I can't even tell you what the thought 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.839 is behind. It's just being dumb, you know what I'm saying. 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:10.399 It's not even like I can't even like sit and say, 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:15.879 well I thought of it was just like look at this. Okay, Paul, 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:20.360 that's enough. That's that's that's not funny. But listen, which 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:22.000 I'm still like that to this very day, which I 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:26.080 think eventually caused our demise and not working. That's to 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.360 be honest, man, Like you know they grew up. I didn't. 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:32.640 You know, I'm still the same twenty one year old kid, 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:33.040 you know. 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.560 But it's exactly it's the way it was. You know, 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.000 I forgot to mention Bob Power. 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.840 I can assume that working with him on the step record, 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.680 Oh yeah, Bob, that you instantly brought him aboard to 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:49.440 work with you on the daylight stuff. 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.920 Where this is how it worked back in those days, 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.000 was you go to the studio and oh, I'm doing 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:57.760 your session today. Wow. 0:57:57.920 --> 0:57:59.880 And then eventually it would go someone that Tommy Boy 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:00.520 like just. 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:05.200 No, no, no, it's whoever, yeah, where was there at calliope, 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:08.200 who's ever working at the time, would do whatever that 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:10.760 session was. And then usually if it's an engineer who 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:14.240 likes what you do, they'll they'll stick around. They'll go, oh, man, 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.280 I like this, I want to come to the next one. 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.400 You know, if my schedule permits, I'm gonna do your 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:18.920 next session. 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:22.040 So it was never you know, you were thinking like, Okay, 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:26.480 this guy has such a forward thinking, sonic genius about him, 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:28.160 and we must have him on this record for it. 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.840 I mean, obviously there's engineers that some were better than others, 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.320 but you know, when you're paying forty dollars an hour, 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:36.200 he's just trying to get whoever could get the job 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.000 done at the time. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.520 you know, the brains of Bob Power is evident because 0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:46.000 you know you work with him, obviously, and I tried 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:47.480 to learn as much as I could from him. I 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.040 remember when I wasn't set to Sonic. He might not 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.200 remember this, but I was taking audio engineering at the time, 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:57.160 and and I would just sit there and just watch him, 0:58:57.600 --> 0:58:58.160 like closely. 0:58:58.640 --> 0:58:59.360 And he looked at me. 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.120 He looked at said, you never learned anything by watching me. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:08.080 Very disheartening. So which made me, in a sense, go, 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:13.640 I'll show you. Of course, I'm not never as nice 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:16.040 as Bob Power, but it was incentive, you know what 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.560 I'm saying. And yeah, he came aboard like a lot 0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.680 of the other projects, you know, along with my Manscottie Hart, 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.120 and there's a few other people, okay, and Sue in 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:24.520 the house. 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:28.640 Sue Sue in the house right right right. Oh, she 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:29.720 was an assistant engineer. 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.440 She she was like, I don't know, it's like whoever 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:36.280 was there. It's like I'm the engineer, Like, okay, you know, 0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:39.680 never had a female engineer before. But hey, man, you're 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.240 you're on the payrolls. Get done. 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:45.600 See an hour two princes working with two female engineers. 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:52.640 See how in God's name did you record that record 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:54.520 for under twenty five thousand dollars? 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.200 Which one three feet high and rising? 0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:01.920 Oh, it's called taking that that that shift from twelve 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:04.160 to four in the morning at the studio when the 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:05.640 when it's thirty dollars an hour. 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:07.880 You know what I'm saying. It's called buying your own 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:09.800 reel of reels, which when you buy. 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.520 Studios like what one hundred and fifty bucks, you buy 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:14.280 it at the at the tape spot for like one 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.840 hundred bucks. Use sometimes you don't use ampegs, use ag 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:18.760 for you know what I'm saying. 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:22.400 You find ways to serious man, there's other. 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:26.600 Real wait, real dummy question. 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.200 When you get that you said twenty five thousand, right, yes, 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:31.760 when you get that twenty five, that's your twenty five 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:33.440 to make the album. It doesn't have to spread to 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:34.400 anybody else as well. 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:35.920 That's how we the entire budget. 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:37.520 That that's us, That's what I'm trying to understand. 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:41.080 It just being paid, that's us using studio. That's whatever's left. 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.320 I'm sure this episode the question of Supreme course about 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:45.400 twenty five thousands. 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.880 I need a raise. But wait, so that means that 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.160 like y'all had to eat off of that too as well. 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:56.400 That's why you worked regularly jobs. You see how skinny is. Wait, 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.800 do you have a regular job while you're doing this? Yeah? Yeah, 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.320 I mean all through such a sonic. I was in college, 1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:07.280 I had a part time job. Yeah, I worked through everything. Man. 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:11.040 You know it's because you know, I looked at it, 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.400 at least me personally, like fat boys run DMC, like 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:15.720 you know, this was ANLL. 1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:17.120 Those guys would make money. 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:17.640 You know what I'm saying. 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:19.400 I'm just doing it as for fun as a hobby, 1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:20.000 you know what I'm saying. 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:20.600 I love music. 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:21.760 Whatever comes out comes out. 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:24.640 But I'm gonna take civil services to become a postman 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:26.800 at some point, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.600 the reality of it. So it just so happened that 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:33.280 my passion and probably I'm thinking because I didn't take 1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.280 it as serious as a lot of my contemporaries is. 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.040 I just had a lot of fun with it, which 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.600 kept it open, helped me be more creative, because I 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:42.080 think if I was thinking of marketing and like you're 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:43.960 just gonna bump into clubs, You're just gonna do this, 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:46.040 it would have really restricted what I did. 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:47.640 But I was just like, whatever, I'm gonna have to 1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:49.120 work with regular job anyway. 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:53.560 Record that whatever, Yeah, little Roch, just know that is 1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:55.640 you know what I'm saying. I gotta get up and 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:57.400 go to work. See you think about the end of 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.920 three f on rising that you'll just I'll get it 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:02.400 jobs some wearing. I mean that's what I thought. I mean, 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:05.200 you know, even when the record came out, Okay, it 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:07.800 was starting to gain some traction and all of a sudden, Wow, 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:09.200 it was just cool and it just got to a 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:12.240 point where it wasn't until not that record, but other 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:14.560 work started coming in from me when I was like, man, 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:16.520 I can't go work at I was working at a 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:22.720 place called General Accident, which was which insurance company. It 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:27.720 was an insurance company, insurance company. It was an insurance company. 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:30.160 I was I just got I just graduated college, and 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:33.320 I was in between those things. I remember I had 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:37.640 bosses tell me, you know, I got called into it 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:41.000 all this one time. I was I was working at 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.880 a place that we uh, I was doing soldering. I 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:48.240 was doing electrical boards because I took electronics in school, 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:49.800 and so he called me. 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:51.800 It's like, you know, I heard you doing this music thing. 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.160 You have a choice. Paul could be here every day 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:57.480 on time and be a part of our company and 1:02:57.560 --> 1:02:58.360 our growing family. 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.440 We can follow this music dream that you're thinking about. 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:03.480 We here a general accident. 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:05.240 You know. 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.000 This was before General Accident, and I was like, you know, 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:10.840 I quit and I just kept it pushing, which was 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.160 kind of rough because I need that money. It was 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.200 a good job. I was paying like six dollars an hour. 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:16.800 You know, it was good at the time. 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:18.480 Wow, that's crazy. 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:20.680 What was the record that changed your thoughts? Your thoughts 1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:20.880 on that? 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:24.040 Like, oh, oh oh, I skipped the story as soon 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.200 as work started coming in after three feet High Rise, 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.720 and was when I was like, yo, I'm gonna have 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:30.480 to take a leap of absence for maybe like a 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.960 year and kind of ride this thing and produce. 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:33.680 See what happens. 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:35.680 Yeah, there was Third Base and Big Daddy Kane and 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:39.640 Queen Latifolds. Things started to really come in, and you know, 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:42.720 and then Russell went become a manager and him and 1:03:42.840 --> 1:03:45.560 lyor so that that changed things. Like maybe two years, 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:46.560 I'll go back and work. 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:52.840 Oh Jesus Christ, I forgot about Resident Mother Dodo Man Records. 1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:53.840 I totally forgot. 1:03:58.080 --> 1:03:58.480 All right. 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:01.959 So at the time when quote we hate the song 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:07.880 end quote becomes like a force to reckon with. 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:15.240 Are you guys just be honest? Man, weren't you? Were 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:16.000 you guys happy? 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:21.600 Because I know this, I know the perception, and sometimes 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.320 when you know there's there's thoughts on on. 1:04:24.520 --> 1:04:33.800 Dave's whole whole uh jaded. I got love David. 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:39.000 It's weird though, because for me, Dave, true boy, Dave 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:44.720 was like, in my mind, he was the the utopian 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:46.760 peace child, like he was the original. 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:48.560 Qu first face. 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:50.560 Perception. 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.160 I know this now, but well, actually Mason Pie punched 1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:56.720 in the face and and then David. 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:02.880 Well, it's just that based on seeing the album cover 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:05.560 like this is for me who never knew who you 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.640 guys were. I was working at sam Goodies and this 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:09.560 record comes. 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:11.800 In dream job. Whish i'd Sam good change in my life. 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:13.960 I think I got fired for stealing three f. 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:17.080 Ris jury is still out. 1:05:17.200 --> 1:05:22.160 I don't know, but I'm just saying that, you know, 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:28.880 to see where we thought they were marketing and I 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:33.400 felt for that marketing hook line and sinker to where 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:42.000 they are now, which I don't know, but I'm just saying. 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:49.880 What was their initial response to Me Myself and I. 1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:52.520 Was it like, oh shit, this is just number one. 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:57.320 Was there was there a hug? Was there a smile? 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:00.800 In order to answer that question, I have to kind 1:06:00.840 --> 1:06:04.400 of go back a little bit and say that Me 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.360 Myself and I was the last song on that album, 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:09.800 and it was prompted by Tom Suliman because he's like, yo. 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.680 This record, this album is good. 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:13.320 We just need a radio record. 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:16.600 So automatically that prompted disdain from them, you know. 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:19.080 What I'm saying, Like what we radio record? We got everything. 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:23.720 And that's when me and Mace sat it down and 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:26.560 we did the music for Me Myself and I. Because 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.600 it was like, okay, just catchy song, knee deep rock funk, 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:34.080 DELK fan for life. We put it together. You know, 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.320 they're like, all right, we're gonna take the rom style 1:06:36.440 --> 1:06:38.520 from Black as Black. This is Black as Black, It's 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:41.160 black and Man record today. We're gonna do that Rohm style. 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:43.160 Put it over that song. It was just kind of 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:44.800 here you go to make Tom Suliman happy. 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:48.880 Then it's a boo So that's why they hate this song. 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.000 It was like, ah, we's kind of forced do this record. 1:06:51.080 --> 1:06:53.479 We have saw a big record, But how did that happen? 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:54.600 You know what I'm saying? It was the trick of 1:06:54.640 --> 1:07:00.080 the devil, like Twilight song me, I love the record, like, 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:01.880 oh my god, cause I'm all a Funkadelics fan and 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:03.600 me and Way Me and Maysy Will put it together. 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:04.919 It was just like we did it quick. 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:05.640 It was dope. 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:07.680 But how dope is that that you made a record 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.840 like he requested it and you made the exact thing 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:11.360 he requested it and it was a hit, Because that's 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:14.200 a hard process, like do you understand what a radio 1:07:14.320 --> 1:07:14.640 hit is? 1:07:14.840 --> 1:07:17.720 And plus it really wasn't established in a hip hop 1:07:18.160 --> 1:07:21.320 back in eighty eight eighty nine. 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:24.800 Back then, like hip hop just discovered. 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:26.840 And you know because three ft Ninred came out well 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:29.680 January of eighty nine, so really you're talking to eighty eight. 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:32.400 There really wasn't any thing like oh if I take 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:36.560 this obvious thing from ten years ago and resell it, 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:38.680 it'll work like that. 1:07:38.880 --> 1:07:41.520 That didn't be like Puffy that was the formula. 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:44.800 I mean, I would still think that even I hear it. 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:47.560 You know, I wasn't like thinking like cynical, like oh, 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:49.440 they're using this obvious shit like. 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:52.400 It ain't a chick singing the hook well to Daylight. 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:55.040 It was obvious and one thing you gotta unerstand abou daylight. 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:57.160 And they might disagree with this, but I think it's 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.920 part of the beauty and part of their artistry. Especially 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.960 back then, there was a sense of arrogance, you know 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:06.600 what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, we're gonna do this 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:10.360 this record. Oh god, everybody knows this, you know. It's 1:08:10.440 --> 1:08:13.920 just and that was kind of swept throughout all the 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:15.720 native tongue, and that was the beauty of it. It 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:19.000 was there was a certain arrogance to like, you do this, 1:08:19.240 --> 1:08:21.360 but we do this thing, you know what I'm saying, 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:23.360 And that was part of it. That's why, you know, 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:27.360 even though you know it was too obvious for them, 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:29.800 you know, even though like say, no going certain songs 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:32.559 here and there are obvious things, but that was just way. 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:36.479 Was that my thought or was it like I thought 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:39.360 you guys were just being clever shit and like, oh damn, 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:40.040 you can rhyme over. 1:08:40.160 --> 1:08:40.840 I can't go for that. 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:43.519 Oh no, no, that that that was part of that 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.640 was a record I had. And then other part that 1:08:47.200 --> 1:08:50.960 that with his face merce had put together pass had 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:52.240 put together. It was his idea. 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:55.600 Wait, I gotta ask some about say, were you the 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:58.120 the anchor of saying no go? Because I have a 1:08:58.200 --> 1:09:04.519 production question. As far as I know, there's not an 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:08.160 instrumental of I can't go for that out there yet. 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:12.680 The part that you guys rhymed over would be the 1:09:12.880 --> 1:09:16.800 verse of I can't go for that, which has Daryl 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:19.840 Hall singing on top of it. Where in the hell 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.240 did you find four bars of do do do? 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:22.720 Do? Do? 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:22.960 Do? 1:09:23.080 --> 1:09:23.120 Do? 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:23.240 Do? 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:29.280 Do do No? That's the hook, you know, when. 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:33.960 They say over the time, there's four bars of that 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:36.000 that are clear that I can't find nowhere. 1:09:36.000 --> 1:09:39.519 And figuration you'd have to ask post that I'm gonna 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:42.479 pass the buck and and and there's a there's a 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:45.640 one two things on there at that if I disclose, 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:51.280 I'm gonna be they're gonna come after me. Doubt that 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.360 thirty years later they're all, oh, trust me, they still 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:55.560 come in trust. 1:09:55.320 --> 1:10:00.360 Me, I'm sure especially so you still get But then 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:02.800 the pot that the. 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:05.439 Reason Okay, well, you can choose not to answer this question, 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:13.840 which is part two, Like, but I meant so, were 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:15.240 you just doing this Google? 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:16.920 I so like throw this in there, throw this and then, 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:19.800 because like that's exactly what it is. 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:24.599 But crossword puzzle mixes so brilliantly with it, Like it's 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:28.200 rare to find two melodic samples that are the same 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:31.440 bp ms that also. 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:35.280 Mixed together. Like I'll say that, say no, go if. 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.960 Those who are familiar with my DJ and style and 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:42.040 the fact that I mix songs in the same key 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.880 with each other and all that stuff, like you're doing 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:48.720 forward thinking there where it's like crossword puzzle. Okay, I'm 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:53.600 using nerdy references whatever. Yes, well, I didn't want to 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:57.240 call out Michael Jackson's a TV guards but thank you 1:10:57.880 --> 1:10:58.519 boss books. 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:02.479 They can get on who sample dot Com look at. Yeah. 1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:05.919 But which is which I might say, is it's somewhat 1:11:05.960 --> 1:11:07.840 inaccurate at times, just some things I seen and I'm like, 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:10.200 that's not that. Oh yeah, I don't let it be 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:12.439 wrong though, but I don't want to debate it because 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:16.200 then just be quiet. I really use this, Yeah, I 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:21.120 just this Beetles sample. Sometimes you gotta just you know, 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:21.920 let it up. 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:26.840 But it's well, okay again I'm thinking that you're like, okay, well, 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:29.920 let me use something that's in the relative minor of 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:33.720 something that major kid, right, that's what Okay, just cut 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:34.160 me off there. 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.400 I'm thinking too much. You just thought this was dope 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:38.479 and let me mix it in there and what we 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:39.799 did and it was beautiful. 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:43.160 Man. I really miss those days. Is everybody had their 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.120 little record collection and we go in and we add stuff. Oh, 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:47.479 I think I have something to go with. Some part 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:50.040 of it was by ear and that, you know, okay, 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.519 and knowing your record collection and knowing parts and and 1:11:52.640 --> 1:11:54.880 you know, coming through records, and the other part of 1:11:54.960 --> 1:11:57.880 it is which nobody was doing back then. We was 1:11:58.120 --> 1:11:58.799 was pitch shifting. 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:02.320 What was going to lead to My third question was 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:06.160 that you were also some of those samples had to 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:10.040 be readjusted leading to the original Buddy yeah, the Commodore 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:13.479 shit and mix it with the the bo Deadley shit. 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.280 Okay, were you using that Yamaha, I know, the Yamaha 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:18.040 thing out of Pitch. 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:20.280 Shifter ESBX ninety I think it was. It was called 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:24.240 SBX ninety. Yes, yeah, it was pitch shifting on that 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:27.880 and resampling it and yeah, and taking it and kind 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:29.880 of because you know, the thing is we want We 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:33.200 knew it worked melodically, but it just didn't work in 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:34.920 the right key, and a lot of it was just 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:36.680 hitting the button. All right, that's right, and it was 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:39.160 good sometimes having an engineer who had a musical background, 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.320 he could go, well, I think it's in a genie 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:43.439 minor with it, but. 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:46.599 All right, can I just take six seconds of silence 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:51.439 just to breathe? So all right, SBX ninety, thank you. 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:54.800 But the thing, but the thing is, you know, part 1:12:54.840 --> 1:12:56.960 of the arrogance that I'll go back to that is 1:12:57.000 --> 1:12:59.240 that we actually thought, you know what I'm saying, like, 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.840 it wasn't just going soop up this fun you know, 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:04.240 drum break, which works, and that's hip hop, but we 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:06.400 just took it to another let's pitch shift, let's do this, 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:07.120 let's you know. 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:12.320 I think that's really thought about. Punius though, that's not arrogance, 1:13:13.120 --> 1:13:14.479 you know, at least. 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:16.519 You know, like I said, when I went to the studio, 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:18.040 I was like, Yo, if we're gonna do it, let's 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:21.200 just let's just do it. Let's just whatever imagination goes. 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.000 That's where the limit is, and that's where we took it. 1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:28.639 See it speaks to me because usually beat makers after 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.360 the three feet high, after the Nation of millions, three 1:13:31.400 --> 1:13:35.519 fig and Paul's boutique generation sees that, oh, sampling could 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:39.000 go anywhere, then like a lot of us will recreate 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:40.960 that stuff. When we first get drum scenes and I 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:43.559 was like, wait, why is my ship blending like their ship? 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:46.960 And then I'm suddenly realizing that you guys were pitched. 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.559 I would ask engineers like, why isn't this the same key? 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.280 And now I'm realizing that you were a pitch shifting 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:54.080 the beauty of technology. 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:54.240 Man. 1:13:54.400 --> 1:13:56.000 I mean, we learned a lot of things in the 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:57.840 studio and I'm not gonna lie. 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.880 As a producer, I would go in there and because 1:14:01.280 --> 1:14:02.960 I think I feel like I'm like a coach, right, 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:04.760 I had to go in and team riled up. We 1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:06.759 got with the Pistons and we gotta beat the Lakers. 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:08.599 You know what I'm saying. I don't know how we're 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.200 gonna do it. We're gonna figure it out. So I'm 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.439 getting them all amped up. But in the process I'm learning, 1:14:12.479 --> 1:14:15.479 I'm like, Okay, yeah, Paul, can we do Yeah, we 1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:17.360 could do it? How do I do that? 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:18.400 Who's the bad guy? 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:18.639 Though? 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:20.559 And that I just didn't have to figure it out 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:21.559 who's the bad guy? 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:25.920 Cause if like if someone's like, yo, you know it 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:31.240 really sound dope, funcky drummer like, and like, are you 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:33.960 the final word on at least for three feet? 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:35.240 Are you the final word? 1:14:35.240 --> 1:14:37.000 And says, I don't know if this goes together with that, 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.640 and we can't. You know what the final word is, 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:43.479 put put it in there and if it works, it works. 1:14:43.520 --> 1:14:45.640 If it don't, it don't, And I live. That's how 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:48.560 my production style has been from that point on. You know, 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:51.320 It's like, even if you don't like an idea, I don't. 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:53.600 I don't know until I hear it. It might not 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:55.960 sound right in my head, and I can dispute it, 1:14:56.680 --> 1:14:59.040 but we can really argue. When there's the one and 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:03.960 it's whack, it's without question. 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:06.400 Can you give me an example of a song of which, 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:10.160 like either Pasa or Dave or Mace was like, Yo, 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:14.240 this shouldn't work, and then like you just let them 1:15:14.360 --> 1:15:16.439 hang themselves with their own rope? 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:19.680 Man, I can't not offhand. I could tell you some 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:21.880 things I put in that was black that I was like, 1:15:22.439 --> 1:15:26.479 that's not working. Was the beginning of plug tuning. It 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:31.920 was like, hey god, it was recently it was going yo. 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.920 Man principle Paul plugs in and give us a hype effect, 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:41.960 and I go, yeah, let's try this. It corny, But 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:44.599 after we recorded played it, it was good. In my head. 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:47.599 It was like I were good man and we edited 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:51.040 it down. So you have to audition ideas in front 1:15:51.040 --> 1:15:54.160 of a jury. I mean, that's so hard. It's not 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:55.120 even in front of a jury. 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:58.799 It's just like and just it harks back to steto 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:01.320 sonic like and and low offense to the guys. But 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:06.479 it was a learning process. Let's do nah, let's do nah. 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:08.920 I'm like, when I get my own group, we're gonna 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:12.240 put everything in there. You'll see, all right. So, like 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:16.439 I said, it was the polar opposite whatever I did. Instead, 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:19.040 I want to just the hard core opposite in this group. 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.080 I'm gonna treat them differently. And that's what I did. 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.360 Let's put everything in there, put in there. 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:25.920 Which leads to day Soul is Dead. 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:26.880 Now. 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:32.719 I actually think that's the better record of their Cannon. 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:36.280 I mean, for me personally, that's my favorite one. That 1:16:36.479 --> 1:16:37.679 that album made my career. 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:40.439 Wow, like that was. 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:43.439 I Mean, I've had many a moment where it's like stop, 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:45.640 stop your heart in its tracks and you stop what 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:47.800 you're doing and you sit and you listen to it. 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:52.200 But I mean, nothing will ever beat the Sunday that 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:56.360 Jason Brown and I cut church to sit in his 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:58.960 dad's card to listen to that record from Start the Fire. 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:01.920 That means, I mean I saw my Lord. 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:05.400 One that. 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:13.000 Two Things one heavily bootleg before it came out. Everyone 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:14.920 seemed to have a copy of this record before it 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:20.760 came out. But you know, for people to talk about 1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:22.280 the darkness of it, I don't see it. 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:27.719 I think it's even more humor, more zanier, more funny, 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:34.000 more samples, more creative. I mean, for God's sakes, you 1:17:34.080 --> 1:17:36.200 guys got the cover Rolling Stone for this record. 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:39.240 So it's like that was a tough record though, man, 1:17:40.240 --> 1:17:42.160 and I say, you don't have good times than thinking 1:17:42.200 --> 1:17:44.439 about it? No, No, I mean it was all my 1:17:44.560 --> 1:17:48.160 Daylight Records to have their own experiences and was fun, 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:53.680 you know. But I think in the sense of that man, 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:55.920 after those guys won their first tour and they got 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:59.600 you know, because all of a sudden, everybody beating everybody up, 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:01.559 you guys, it went from like from zero to one 1:18:01.640 --> 1:18:03.600 hundred for them, like black you know, they were like 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:07.000 you know, platoons Q powers Q also like, oh my god, 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:08.960 you know you just got this number one record all 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:09.679 around the world. 1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:12.920 How did you feel about that? Which you never answered 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:15.639 that question. What was the feeling once you guys went platinum? 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:19.360 And uh, it was like whoa, you know what I'm saying. 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.960 Everything moves so quick. It's like you don't have time 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:25.680 to really acknowledge it because all it is is more 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:26.280 work coming in. 1:18:26.720 --> 1:18:26.840 You know. 1:18:26.960 --> 1:18:29.200 It was when time sit back and just really think about, 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:33.639 eh man, I made it. You know, it's it's like whoa, Okay, 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:37.519 it's to keep it pushing, you know. And I think 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.800 for them, it was just a lot of pressure, you know, 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:42.160 be here, be there, do this interview, do this. 1:18:42.880 --> 1:18:45.200 We need more daisies around you, you know what I'm saying. 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.280 And the more that was pushed upon them, the more 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.400 they rebelled and the more they got like what das 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:51.560 you know? 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.760 So it by the time the second record. 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:59.840 Came around, I remember I remember, you know, being at 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:02.680 meetings with the label with Tommy Boy and Dave and 1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:06.200 and Pas going, you know, the label say why don't 1:19:06.200 --> 1:19:09.240 you do whatever? No, no, we'll just quit, We'll quit 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:12.840 what like it was like quit, you can't quit. Yeah, 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:13.240 we'll quit. 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:16.200 We don't want to do that, We'll just quit, which was. 1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:20.000 Which was just you know, it was just they were 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:22.880 just angry, you know what I'm saying, and and understandably 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.679 so like you know, I guess just seeing I guess 1:19:26.680 --> 1:19:30.600 one getting used to the demands, you know, having a 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:34.480 label push certain ideas on them. I guess the expectations 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:37.280 of now the world's expecting so much. They had to 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:40.240 build up their their show because remember, I don't know, 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:42.280 in the earlier shows they weren't as received. 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:44.280 It's like nowadays, wait to come out. 1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:47.920 It was like people like you're showin' good as that record, 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:51.640 they were getting booed. I mean in some places, you know, 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:54.240 they had to build up, so it would like said, 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:55.760 it was a lot quick for them to kind of 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.000 catch up to. So by the time the second record 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:02.240 came around, you know, you know, beating up people in 1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:05.040 the records, it was you know, it was a ring 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:06.960 ring rig, it was you know, it was a lot 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:10.280 of that vibe. But the part that I really respect 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:12.880 about it is they it was still creative because what 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:14.439 they were going through, they didn't like you know, they 1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:16.479 wrote about whatever they were dealing with. 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:18.960 And I tried to and I try to make it happy. 1:20:19.200 --> 1:20:19.400 You know. 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.439 My thing was like, all right, guys, I understand you. 1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:25.040 Let me let me sprinkle some of this on top 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:26.960 of it to kind of give it this kind of 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:28.360 so it's like evil. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:32.400 So if you weren't there, how dark could they saw 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:36.360 as dead have gotten if you weren't really. 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:43.280 Throwing in the silly Yeah, I think I don't know, honest, No, no, no, not. 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.960 So like but he's gonna b K lounge like how 1:20:48.280 --> 1:20:53.000 like whose idea? Like where's the where's the where's the genesism? 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:55.400 Man? That I have to give them the credit for 1:20:55.520 --> 1:20:59.040 that because of piecing together all the different music and stuff. 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:01.960 But it it was just man, like I said, we 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:04.800 would sit down and talk during that time, and you know, 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:08.080 I'd hear all stories about the road and just and 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:10.880 be like, oh, now, mind you you're you're arrogant to 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:11.320 begin with. 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:14.439 Now through all the fame and all like the really 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:15.640 you really want me to do this? 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.200 You really? You know, just like when they had that 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:21.519 sign you're pissing us off with your photos or whatever 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:24.000 that that you know right right right there with that guy. 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:27.959 You've seen him out the Grammy's first grade, just like right, smirking, 1:21:28.280 --> 1:21:30.360 like why we're here, that's them, you. 1:21:30.400 --> 1:21:33.560 Know, do you think it's it's the guilt of not 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:38.759 wanting to look like they're enjoy it. I always figure 1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:40.760 that there's a judge and jury in the head. And 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:46.719 usually again with most with the smart end of Black culture, 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:49.439 especially with the music is concerned, there's a lot of 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:56.439 overthinking and usually that turns into sabotage and next thing, 1:21:56.479 --> 1:22:00.599 you know, it's fifteen years before your next comes out 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:03.760 and all this other stuff. So well, yeah, I mean 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:05.719 I don't need to name names. Just think of who's 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:09.479 not released the record between eight to fifteen years. That's 1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:11.479 because they don't have a Prince Paul, right, they don't 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:13.880 have a that's not named Shy. That's because there's no 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:16.600 Prince Paul in their lives to say, like, you're overthinking. 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:18.519 It, just you know, just do whatever you feel is right. 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:21.280 Whatever I always say, your first thought is your God thought. 1:22:21.840 --> 1:22:24.200 You know, everything else beyond that is you just analyzing 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.920 and taking external things to be learned to add to it. 1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:29.479 So whatever you feel is is the right thing that 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.640 even goes with gut instinct, you know. So that's how 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:34.720 I make music. First thought is the right thought, Let's 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:37.120 record it. That's why a lot of times usually the 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:42.280 first take is, yo, that was it. You took something, 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:44.880 somebody tried to recreate it, and like you might know 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:47.040 the rhyme a little better, but that feel on that 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:48.599 first one was the right feel. 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:52.160 Copy that field, but know the rhyme, the words, yeah, 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:54.880 other words? Did you ever? 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:55.439 Oh? 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:57.360 I was I was thinking to myself, I said, they 1:22:57.400 --> 1:23:00.120 were the first ones to kind of fight that earthy box. 1:23:00.280 --> 1:23:02.960 In my mind, like, you know, they invented it too, 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:03.360 I know. 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:04.519 So that's the weird part. 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:08.439 It's like, why was dead right to build it and destroy? 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:11.160 But I mean to to answer, I say that y'all 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:14.160 weren't fooling anybody, but okay, But to answer your question, 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:18.200 I mean, I know I can't really answer for for them, 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:22.519 but as I see it is they just I don't know, 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:25.559 they just had a musical standard and what they thought 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:28.639 was corny was not corny, and they just so rebelled 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:33.599 not being that typical who they deemed as a corny artist, 1:23:33.720 --> 1:23:36.840 you know, and things that just seemed I mean almost 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:38.920 almost to the point where I think it worked against 1:23:38.960 --> 1:23:40.800 them because I you know, from what I remember, they 1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:43.479 had a lot of offers for a lot of commercial things. 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:45.479 You know, I would have gave them a good amount 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:50.200 of money, but it's like, okay, so PEPSI yeah, I 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:55.160 don't know, like what, yeah, look, we was gonna our 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:55.720 first deal. 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:56.960 Our offers. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:24:00.960 We had one with Profile, Tommy Boy and and Geffen. 1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:03.760 Geffen was offering us the most amount of money, and 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:05.880 it was just it was the beginning of Geffen and 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.360 I was like, yo, as signed with Geffen. I'm worry 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:11.200 with Tommy Boy, I don't know about them. You know 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:14.080 Profile they did, they were about to release it takes two. 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:15.800 It was like I remember we went to the office. 1:24:15.800 --> 1:24:17.679 It's like, yo, we just signed this guy, Rob Base, 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:19.200 who do you think your song? Oh my god, it's great. 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:23.160 We're gonna sign your song. Plug Tuning offering us more 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:26.000 money Geffen. I think I think Man, if I remember correctly, 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:30.000 Profile was like five or ten grand for like one song. 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:30.599 I think. 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:34.960 Man Geffen was something like forty grand. 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:37.080 It was just something dumb, you know what I'm saying. 1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:38.280 And Tommy Boy was. 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:42.120 It would pay the song right there. 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:44.400 This was talking about I'm talking about single. Now you're 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:46.920 talking about album. Oh you know, and you know, Tim, 1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:49.040 we'll give you what we can get you. You know, 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:51.320 you know what I'm saying. But they liked the vibe 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:53.599 of Tommy Boy because it seemed more real to them, 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:56.559 like they were into the music and into which ultimately 1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:58.320 turned to be the right thing anyway, because then, who know, 1:24:58.360 --> 1:24:59.920 if we went a play offs, it might have had 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:00.799 the same impact. 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:01.840 You would have been the roots. 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:07.639 So you know it h it all. It all kind 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:10.200 of kind of worked out. But yeah, I mean I 1:25:10.280 --> 1:25:12.559 think it's you know, we're keeping it real goes wrong. 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.840 Even though I have a gazillion questions about Dayla soulds Dad, 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:17.760 we gotta, we gotta move. 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:20.519 But I gotta ask, did you. 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:24.160 Have any clue that your swan song with them would 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:28.760 be Blue Mind State? You know Blue Mindstates when old 1:25:28.800 --> 1:25:30.640 comedians seem to like that's how I got like more. 1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:33.160 Yeah, like Chris Rock and I will still have these arguments, 1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:35.719 like he still swears that's like in his top five. 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:36.400 Yeah. 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:39.439 Part of me is a little sad about that record, 1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:41.599 Like I feel sad about that record because I feel 1:25:41.720 --> 1:25:44.240 like that's where the four of you parted. 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:44.599 Weighs. 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:49.960 Yeah, Dayla hasn't really made an album that I like, absolutely, like, 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:51.639 disliked or whatever. 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:57.600 But I do miss the lightness and the humor of 1:25:58.400 --> 1:25:59.040 their records. 1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:04.280 Well, well, I think as time went on as my 1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:06.400 promise with the first album, but you know, they reeled 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:09.120 me in back on the other two and I did 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:11.519 start steaks as high as well with them. 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:13.960 Well you did Dog eat Dog right or started? 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:18.000 Yeah, we recorded in my house that that freaking dog. 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:21.519 But that's that's all Dave's idea. I'll give them credit 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:23.840 for that. Like I just recorded and kind of navigated. 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:29.200 You know, the beginning stakes is high and the it 1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:33.000 you know, I stayed a teenager and they grew up. 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:35.000 You know what I'm saying, That's how it evolved. You know, 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:37.680 just I'm like yo yoah, yo yo, man, let's do this, 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.000 let's record that, And it got to really where they 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:44.120 were like I don't think that's right, Paul, and I 1:26:44.200 --> 1:26:46.240 had to respect that. You know what I'm saying, it's it. 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:48.960 Then I'll be going against what I said earlier, like 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:51.679 it's your art, it's not mine. So I couldn't impose 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:53.760 my will on them. But for so long, you know 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:55.840 what I'm saying, because then it becomes me, and then 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:58.640 I become that thing I hate. So the best thing 1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:01.800 to do stay is hot. And it was really tough 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:04.560 because day La Soul really made me who I was 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:07.200 or I am as a producer. I had to like, 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:10.759 it's better that we just part ways. And that was tough. 1:27:11.360 --> 1:27:12.960 I remember. I remember that day Clear was in my 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:16.360 house hand him to a a tapes. You know, oh, 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:21.040 like the nice version of doctor. You know, it was 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:21.960 a nice version of that. 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:30.600 Right. So from the time Balloon comes out, Balloon is 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.360 ninety three three and then very bigger time. 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:39.280 Yeah Kane questions and oh the big daddy thing the 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:43.080 title track of I'm still in that baseline for the 1:27:43.160 --> 1:27:43.679 next record. 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:48.160 Oh, Man Caine. I love working with Kane. I met 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:50.320 him during the stets of Sonic Days you seem at 1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:53.479 the quarters and stuff and yeah, and he called me 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:55.760 and said, yeah, man, you got a song. It's like, yeah, 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:57.599 you know, try this. You know what the cool thing 1:27:57.720 --> 1:28:01.280 back then is like now everybody makes beat tapes. Yo, 1:28:01.360 --> 1:28:03.519 what do you got to get beat tape? Listen to it? 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:06.240 Back then it was like, yo, I hear this song 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:08.920 for you, This is yours, this is for you. 1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:11.840 I dictate what happens. You know what I'm saying, and 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:13.880 you can't do that now. It's just like third base, 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:14.679 like gas Face. 1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:17.960 And whole songs and all that stuff in front of them, 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:18.960 and it was cauture. 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:19.160 You know. 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:21.200 It's like I have it at the house or I 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:23.400 made it and I hear you on this and you 1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:26.160 trust what I'm telling you. Now I'm c's and people 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:29.720 what you got. Yeah, I like that. I like this one. 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:33.160 I'm recording them to send it back to you. It's 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:35.120 not like being in the studio go Yo, that's whack 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:36.200 or Yo, try this over. 1:28:36.520 --> 1:28:36.680 You know. 1:28:36.840 --> 1:28:39.800 It's it's hard for me to work nowadays, man, because 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:42.600 I missed that type of energy. You know, even to 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:45.040 dispute me, you're like, yo, man, no, Paul, well show me. 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:47.880 You know, that's how you make things get better and 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:50.760 better and better. But yeah, but we came going back 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:54.120 to the question. Yeah, yeah, Cane hit me up, you know, 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:56.240 and it's like, Yo, I'm working on the second record 1:28:56.920 --> 1:28:58.280 like that. I'm a King fan. 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:03.280 Besides, you did Brooklyn Queens end gas Face right, yeah, okay, 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:07.040 yeah that that that emotions horn breakdown. It's like one 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:09.800 of my when like my pie in the face moment. 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:13.880 Usually when most people it's for mine, it's always that 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:16.880 dinging like whenever it. 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.160 Happens to me, that's what that, That's what I hear. 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:23.840 Like the my my pie in the face moment is 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:24.840 is that part? 1:29:25.120 --> 1:29:26.400 Oh man, I'm associated with you? 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:28.000 So But the thing is you didn't. 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:32.920 You didn't go light though once you exited Steaks as 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:35.600 high like you went to Grave Graves. 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:38.760 Oh man, you know what Grave Diggers was a part 1:29:38.800 --> 1:29:42.360 of Grave Diggers was. You know, we talk about the 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:46.120 niceties of Daylight Souls Dead, But when that record came out, 1:29:46.640 --> 1:29:48.559 a lot of the critics and stuff were saying, Dela 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:50.760 Soul is dead. It ain't no three ft high rides. 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:55.240 It was really maybe no, no, no, no, no, noished. 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:58.439 Maybe amongst the the hip hop peers and everybody, it 1:29:58.560 --> 1:30:02.600 was cool, but amongst the hardcore critics critics, it was 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:04.960 getting panned time out, time out. 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:08.280 I got a dispute you on this, Paul uh Houston. 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:18.120 For starters, I've never seen such a glowing first of all. 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:21.280 They also's Dad got a better review than three Feet 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:24.719 High and Rising Rolling Stone. I've never seen a four star. 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:29.639 I mean leave reviews were rare back then and again 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.000 they gave y' all the cover, which is some shit. 1:30:33.040 --> 1:30:36.880 I memorized. I cut out that all right, forget it's 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:41.639 not about me. The Village Voice. It was a top 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.960 six passing job Village, which is hard for ninety one 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:49.120 era Robert Christigal to give that that much. 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:52.240 Critical praise. 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:55.120 Now maybe with local papers like that, but I'm just 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:58.000 saying the source gave y'all a perfect five. That was 1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:01.559 the first five I read that wasn't in that ice 1:31:01.640 --> 1:31:06.719 cube summariz that album was a classic. 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:09.280 Let me chime in. I think part of it too 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:11.800 is the setup of having three feet high rise and 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:15.040 they were endeared and loved and people like they could 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.639 do no wrong. Second record comes out, like I said, 1:31:17.640 --> 1:31:19.479 you're on the outside looking and I'm on the inside. 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:22.240 You know, your sales a lot lower, you know, and 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:26.040 then you know somebody you know. The first album was this, 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:28.519 This album is so mean. It was you know, so 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:32.280 I'm hearing all this. It was like, you know, we 1:31:32.400 --> 1:31:34.519 put so much money, more money in this record, and 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:39.000 it's I think it's time, so you're listening. So the 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:44.000 pressure is on, which led to me having the label 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.600 with Russell when I did Doodo Man Records. It was 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:49.519 the pressure of living up to three feet high rise 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:51.040 and like he wanted me to make that record again. 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:52.960 It's like, I can't make that. I can't do that, 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:53.840 you know. 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:56.200 So I did the Resident Alien record, which is some Friends. 1:31:56.240 --> 1:32:01.000 I did love that, Thank you, Shaky Ground and mister 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:03.800 but like all that, that's I love that record death Yeah, 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:04.320 thank you. 1:32:04.439 --> 1:32:04.640 It was. 1:32:04.680 --> 1:32:06.720 It was a fun record. But he, you know, they 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:10.200 were like, we're not feeling at this when we start 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:12.599 out the dispute of me calling it doodle Man Records, 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:15.519 which Russell called me numerous occasions trying to talk me 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:17.920 out of it. You shouldn't make a doodoo man. I 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:20.800 was like, yeah, that's the only way I do. That's 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:23.320 the only way I'll do the deal. If it's Doodo Man. 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:25.240 If it's other than that, I don't want to do it. 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:28.120 It's like it is I mean now that Prince Paul 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:33.000 will be when when Miles of Blackish grows up. Oh yeah, 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:38.679 he's going to be Prince Paul. Oh god, his father 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:39.920 is in uh yeah, wow. 1:32:40.040 --> 1:32:40.240 Child. 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:44.320 While you were on this musical journey, was it like 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:46.799 a lo low comedy journey going on with you because 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:49.799 I mean you about the funny as you are talented. 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:52.200 I think I'm more silly than i'm funny, But thank you. 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.280 I appreciate that all your Grammys come from comedy records. 1:32:55.680 --> 1:33:00.479 Yeah yeah, Chris rock stuff right, local figure. I just 1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:03.320 like having fun and my personality is quirky, and like 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:05.960 I said, you know, I've been eighteen since I was eighteen, 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:10.360 Like it hasn't changed, and which bodes well for some 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:14.400 but for others it doesn't. You know what I'm saying. 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:18.000 But you know, I just like, I just like having fun. 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:20.280 Some people get the joke, some people dope, you know, 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:21.280 most of them don't. 1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:23.439 But at some point you knew that it was beyond 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:25.439 just your hobby and your thing that you like to do, 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:27.800 because you started making money off of it, Like Emir said, 1:33:27.880 --> 1:33:29.040 so yeah. 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:30.679 I was weird and you started to make a record. 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:34.600 Yeah, I mean that's even I think. Just just to sustain. 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:39.080 Being in this industry for this long freaked me out 1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:41.160 more than anything else and doing what I wanted to do, 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:44.760 which was which I don't know too many people get 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:47.599 a chance of doing that, but I was just so fortunate. 1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:50.160 So it ate to sound like I'm you know, on 1:33:50.280 --> 1:33:52.519 a sports channel and so blessed with what thank god, 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:56.600 what they I feel, man, because yo, I kind of 1:33:56.840 --> 1:34:00.479 wrote my own story. And that's very very hard to do, 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.760 especially in music and the super duper and hip hop. 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:07.439 But it it's but I always kept in mind and 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:09.599 I always and we talked about this earlier about money. 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:11.760 I just saved my money so I'd be able to 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.240 do what I wanted to do, because I think once 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:16.759 you start, especially when you start making a certain money 1:34:16.800 --> 1:34:19.080 in this music exchange, you to start getting a certain lifestyle, 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.400 then you want to maintain that by any means necessary. 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:26.160 And then that's the while it starts. We'll produce artistic decisions, 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:28.240 how yeah, how you're gonna do. I will produce for food. 1:34:28.640 --> 1:34:31.520 So I was like, if I keep a moderate lifestyle, 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:34.559 you know, I got a house, cars, you know, whatever 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:36.760 the case is, keep it simple, then I can make 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:38.560 the records I always want to make without having to 1:34:38.720 --> 1:34:42.680 like man, really you know, or be that dude who 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.200 just to sustain the lifestyle. We've seen him who moves 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:49.479 over to Bulgaria with this girl, who lives down with 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:51.360 this girl. You go, you go on to over there. 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:53.080 It's like, yeah, man, you a town and hurt you. 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:55.720 My man. You're out here now. Man, I'm wrapping at 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:58.200 the club down the street, about to tour the local 1:34:58.320 --> 1:34:59.960 certain yeah, everybody knows. 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:04.080 I want to say his name, but yeah, the dads 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:07.200 that are living. Yeah, and you go, this is my girl, sweat. 1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:10.439 Lauda meet you. 1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:11.040 Yeah. 1:35:11.040 --> 1:35:13.040 I told him we used to rock back in New York. 1:35:15.680 --> 1:35:16.960 I know who you're talking about. 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:19.360 We can't say no, I'm not talking about a person. 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:24.560 There are people pigmy so can avoid. 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:27.200 Me being that dude. It's like, I live a practical 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:29.000 lifestyle so I can make the music I want to make. 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:31.800 And I've been all right, I'm still live in New York. Correct, Yeah, 1:35:31.800 --> 1:35:34.879 I live in New York. I'm after my daughter graduates 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:36.640 high school. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna move out. 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.400 You're talking about coming down south. I was gonna say, 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:41.200 in New York. 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:45.240 Every every New York Pioneer moves to North Carolina eventually, 1:35:45.520 --> 1:35:46.960 come on rap retirement. 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:51.080 Look, man, my tax is double digits man, every year, 1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:52.920 the amount of paying taxes. But when I stayed in 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:54.639 my house, I could have bought me a whole new house. 1:35:55.040 --> 1:36:00.160 I could brought me a mansion in North Carolina eight 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:01.559 that had been the other house. 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:02.320 You know what I'm saying. 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:04.320 I wanted to I want we was talking offline, but 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:08.160 I wanted to talk about Psychoanalysis. Uh that record Cycle 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:10.720 How was it open for you? And the record that 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:12.800 like you could not make that record to day you 1:36:12.800 --> 1:36:14.160 would be think piece to death. 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.519 Yeah, we're talking about like Beautiful Night, which talks about 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:20.560 date rape and killing white people. I mean, but it 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:22.680 was in the eyes of a cycle path. You know 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:28.840 what I'm saying. That was a shield, but it paints 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:32.200 the story from the beginning. This album's called Psychoanalysis. The 1:36:32.280 --> 1:36:35.519 guy you have a psychotherapist and somebody goes through all 1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:38.000 these different weird things, and yeah, it is somewhat of 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:40.920 a shield, but it is the truth, you know. And 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:45.200 so weirdly enough, I made that record thinking that that 1:36:45.240 --> 1:36:47.439 would be my last record I'd ever make. Like I 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:50.120 honestly thought like my career was over because that was 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.240 ninety six. Yea, it was ninety six. Now mine, I 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:54.439 just started working with Daylight and that was that was 1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:55.240 very depressing. 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.320 Wait. Cycle Analysis came out before Prince of Pie. 1:36:57.840 --> 1:36:59.360 Yeah, Princess was ninety nine. 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:00.920 Oh shit, okay, so. 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:05.400 So Prince amongst it was Daylight. I lost my record 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:09.280 situation with Russell Grave Diggers. Oh that's just the that's 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:13.000 just the fad. You know, you guys are Grave dig 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.160 Six Feet was ninety seven. 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:20.439 Time out. But that record did well, though, dude, you 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:21.960 know buzz yeah. 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:24.200 You know, but it was during the time when Biggie 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:26.479 and everybody else was coming and that was like the movement, 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:30.000 and then I was still stuck on and w a. 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:31.920 You know what I'm saying. That was you know, I 1:37:32.040 --> 1:37:33.040 was making action. 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:37.080 Records, you know what I felt The big mistake was yes, 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:40.679 and that's why where it Yes Windy. 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:44.120 Yeah, here's the thing though, Okay, Nowhere to Run To 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:48.120 was was a good club single. But I felt y'all 1:37:48.200 --> 1:37:53.879 made a deadly mistake not making bang your Head because 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:59.040 that song for for for month in Philly, that's all 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:03.960 DJ Cosmi Kiff shout out the Cosmic Keeff made. He 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.680 would play that relentless live and I didn't know that 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:12.360 nog you gotta hear you gotta hear it on loud, 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:13.840 you got to hear it in a club setting. 1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:17.759 It just it sounded perfect. 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:20.280 That was our ghost stats and for half a second, 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:23.800 like it didn't catch on, but for that month, that 1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:26.200 cosmic Keeff has been to shelve that record, and he 1:38:26.320 --> 1:38:30.360 kept calling him at at g at D Street, G Street, 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:33.280 make this a single. I need an instrumental like this 1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:35.160 ship's gonna I'm gonna make it work on radio and 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:37.720 it never but I agree with him, Bang your head 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:41.200 should have been it should have been. Wait, I have 1:38:41.320 --> 1:38:43.080 won one question about six feet before you go on 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:47.519 a sign? Who who is playing on that title track? 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:51.479 I feel like it's you guys, all of us. Yeah, 1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:53.439 that's that's that's the junk yard band, man, That's how 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:53.960 we were playing. 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:57.240 This is what happens when you leave a bunch of 1:38:57.320 --> 1:38:59.799 dudes before the engineer gets in and there's all instruments 1:38:59.880 --> 1:39:04.840 and in the live room we're like yo yo, you 1:39:04.880 --> 1:39:07.400 played the drums, yo rizz. We're just like. 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:13.080 Back when I didn't back when I didn't know any better. 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:17.080 That would be part of my DJ Oh my god, 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:19.880 And that's when I was DJ Pine So I cleaned 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:20.280 the floor. 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:24.920 Oh without a doubt, man, that's just that song I 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:27.519 used to clean. But I love to sit out. It's 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:31.200 still like on on my on my on my list. 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:33.719 Man, there's a whole like session of us just playing 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:37.360 and Rizzid took the took the dat tape. Man. Yeah, 1:39:37.479 --> 1:39:42.519 but but I remember it was mastering that records. When 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:47.559 you guys mastering your first record at Sony. I don't 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:50.200 remember exactly where it's at, but I remember, Yo gave 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:52.439 me a box of cassettes or a bunch of sets. 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:55.200 So Yo, here's our first record. If anybody wants to 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.000 eat blah blah blah. And I still I still got 1:39:57.080 --> 1:39:57.640 like two of them. 1:39:57.720 --> 1:39:58.280 You know, it's weird. 1:39:58.360 --> 1:39:59.760 I was gonna bring it today so you could sign 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:02.200 if want me off, I still have it. 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:05.800 What's weird about that day was that I know that 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:10.000 Michael Jackson was also in that building mastering history. 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.080 And in order to go to the bathroom, like I 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.320 had to clearity. Yeah, yeah, to clear I couldn't just 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:20.760 randomly be in the hallway, you know, trying to go 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:23.719 to the bathroom like. So yeah, that day, I remember 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:25.000 it was a defining moment. 1:40:25.080 --> 1:40:26.720 Man. It was like a few define moments like that. 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:30.120 And when I met Comment at the music h New 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:32.439 Music Seminar when he was a little kid, at his 1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:34.840 tapes and stuff. It's like it's moments. 1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:37.640 Yeah I remember, yeah, yeah, that was all right, man. 1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:40.519 And I kept I was like, you know, she got 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:43.560 you sign it, man, I get people signed everything. You 1:40:43.640 --> 1:40:45.000 say it, right. 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:49.120 So Prince amongst Thieves, which didn't that come out the 1:40:49.160 --> 1:40:50.640 same day as think It's fall Apart. I think that 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:55.360 TLC's fan mail, Eminem's, Eminem's record. 1:40:55.600 --> 1:41:00.640 And mine was the least successful. Are you trying to 1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:01.680 rub that in on here? 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:04.960 No, I'm saying that statistically your record failed. 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:07.800 See. I wasn't even going there, Paul. 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:10.120 I was saying that while we were packed him at 1:41:10.160 --> 1:41:12.360 fifteen fast in the van going from record store to 1:41:12.400 --> 1:41:13.240 record whatever. 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:16.120 Like doing that whole two weeks, that's all we listened to. 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:18.400 Wow, And even then I was like, damn, why did 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:21.400 I think, fucking Paul, Like, why do I think it? 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:21.920 Damn? 1:41:21.960 --> 1:41:26.360 We could have made something create Like I almost felt like, damn, 1:41:26.640 --> 1:41:30.240 I fucked up with this record of ours. Prince among 1:41:30.320 --> 1:41:34.040 Steve's is no. But I was. I kept here and 1:41:34.160 --> 1:41:35.080 I was like, damn. 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:38.400 He always comes up with the fucking cleverest ideas that 1:41:38.600 --> 1:41:39.920 I can't who who. 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:40.640 Was dumbed up? 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:43.960 The reverence everython came out a year late too. Oh yeah, 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:49.080 I handed in in February of two thousand and eight. 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:51.760 It was two thousand and eight. No, no, not eight, 1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:55.160 I mean nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, nineteen ninety eight, and 1:41:55.600 --> 1:41:57.560 the label satur for a year because it's like we 1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:01.200 don't know what to do with for a year. Then 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:03.680 you should have looked, Yo, you don't understand like the 1:42:04.000 --> 1:42:07.160 look of like sitting in a boardroom with played the 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:13.400 record and everybody after record goes, well, oh it was 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:16.400 so dispass I worked so hard on that record. 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:18.040 They not know who they're messing with. 1:42:19.360 --> 1:42:21.400 That's times when you tell Paul make whatever record you 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:24.320 want to make, I'm like, really, word and I had that, 1:42:24.479 --> 1:42:26.439 and they're like, this is the way the budget went. 1:42:27.200 --> 1:42:28.720 We should have gave it to sex Mob. But I 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:31.479 think there's another group that had signed back then. Who 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:35.080 was Who was Dom Dumb on that record? That the Reverend? 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:41.600 That's uh my man McKnight who I guess you know 1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:43.880 set Free Yeah yeah, call him McKnight. 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:46.960 Yeah, he that that that was his boy. He brought 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:48.320 him in I was recording. 1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:49.800 I was at his house and I was like, you 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:51.760 need somebody play a reverend, Like I got somebody with 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:55.000 a perfect voice. And he came in and he killed 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:55.920 the first first shot. 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:56.679 Oh my god. 1:42:56.760 --> 1:42:57.920 I was like, you know what to do? He's like, 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:01.120 I don't played no reverends, Like, yo, just say whatever 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:03.680 your rhyme is, whatever rhyme, random rhyme you got, but 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:10.160 say it like you preached it, like like college. Yes, 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:12.719 that's just one of his random rhymes, said, and preach 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:15.840 your style and work. You know, I was surprised. You know, 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:18.080 that was fun. It was. That was a hard record 1:43:18.120 --> 1:43:21.120 to make, man, because I didn't use program. Imagine wait, 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:26.160 I used too much. No, I did it on a ADS, 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:29.080 but I did it with a sequencing program called Master 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:35.920 Master Tracks six, and I sequenced everything live with an 1:43:35.960 --> 1:43:39.240 ASR ten and two S nine fifties. So I triggered 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:43.479 all the all the vocal parts, so nobody at right now, 1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:46.280 nobody acted against each other. I just recorded all their 1:43:46.360 --> 1:43:48.840 lines and then picked the best line, and then step 1:43:48.880 --> 1:43:51.240 by step line line line, line, line, and then after 1:43:51.479 --> 1:43:54.439 that did sound effects, sound effects, sound effects, sound effect. 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.040 So the chubb rock he's rhyming over the biz beat 1:43:57.080 --> 1:43:58.759 box like those were recorded separately. 1:43:59.080 --> 1:44:01.560 Those Yeah, well you buz did his beat first and 1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:06.080 then yeah, Wow, yeah, a lot of pro tools that ship. 1:44:06.680 --> 1:44:09.080 Yeah you know that shi it was a night man, 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:11.360 you know, you know it's so dumb, it's that ship. Well, 1:44:11.400 --> 1:44:14.040 pro tools is way more expensive back then. But I 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.320 should just kind of just what pro tools. 1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:21.000 But it's me, it's me thinking again, like save save 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:22.160 this two thousand bucks. 1:44:22.600 --> 1:44:24.080 You know, I'm not gonna be in this for too long. 1:44:24.120 --> 1:44:25.880 You know, I'm saying even at that point, you're still 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:27.479 thinking that it's gonna come to you know, it's not 1:44:27.640 --> 1:44:30.679 till I turn now to fifty I say like, wow, okay, 1:44:30.880 --> 1:44:33.880 I made a career out of this. Oh wait, are 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:34.360 you serious? 1:44:34.400 --> 1:44:36.519 I'm very, very very because I mean because I was 1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:38.479 what examples of hip hop are there? 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:43.680 See? This is the thing though, you even in R 1:44:43.720 --> 1:44:47.639 and B are there. That's because unless you're. 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:50.360 Like I think, I think with black yes, your your 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.080 DNA motion is the whole winner take all thing with 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:56.200 black artists that we have to be at the top 1:44:56.240 --> 1:45:00.280 of the mountain like Rocky. You know you're in. 1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:04.120 But the thing is is that there is space in 1:45:04.200 --> 1:45:05.160 this room alone. 1:45:05.320 --> 1:45:09.639 There are three blue collar you know, there are three 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:14.400 blue blue collar musicians here, which I think maybe in 1:45:14.479 --> 1:45:16.240 ninety six. It was made to be a thing like 1:45:17.120 --> 1:45:21.160 they're shame in being a blue collar musician, or that 1:45:21.280 --> 1:45:23.439 you're not winning, or that you don't have this yacht 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:24.639 at your access. 1:45:24.760 --> 1:45:26.760 But I know what you mean now, Okay, I was 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:29.479 catching up. You mean, right, like not super rich. 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:32.400 Working class work, working class collar musicians. 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:38.760 Yeah, and you know that's wait, are you giving me 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:40.120 the side? You really believe me? 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:45.240 I believe Fonte And maybe. 1:45:47.040 --> 1:45:51.080 It's a very No, it's very it's real. Real wealthy 1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:53.920 people don't have to go to their job. I'm at 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:56.360 my job right now. Okay, Yes, I'm. 1:45:56.240 --> 1:45:59.120 Saying, you know, your blue collar has a waffle on 1:45:59.240 --> 1:46:06.559 it and a heart lego pen gangster. 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:09.759 That's the smoking mirrors to make y'all think I'm youthful. 1:46:10.720 --> 1:46:11.640 But I'm just saying that. 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:16.679 As long as and again you you didn't have lofty, 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:19.280 I don't know if you dream of owning twelve miles 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:19.960 eriates And. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:21.800 You know what I really wanted and I bought my 1:46:21.880 --> 1:46:23.960 mom my house instead was a one ninety band that 1:46:24.040 --> 1:46:26.120 was kidded. It was Chalkole Gram. I remember sitting at 1:46:26.120 --> 1:46:29.479 the dealership even if this or your mom, Yeah, and 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:31.840 I was like, you know, what we have no place 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:32.240 to live. 1:46:32.360 --> 1:46:35.760 But my whole, my whole, my whole Negro way of 1:46:35.840 --> 1:46:37.400 thinking was one ninety. 1:46:37.200 --> 1:46:38.120 E kid it. 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:42.080 Versus black man. 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:46.720 I did that though, you put off my mom's house 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.920 to build my record room. The nigga one, Yeah, because 1:46:49.960 --> 1:46:52.200 I don't want that's a cute tip. I was like, 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:54.760 should I want to lose my records? This record it's 1:46:54.840 --> 1:46:56.040 going to be how I make money? And it went 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:58.479 like your mom didn't have a place to live. I mean, yeah, 1:46:58.520 --> 1:47:02.840 she had a nice apartment. Is we would she lived 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:06.000 in Center City on brush she had a nice apartment. 1:47:06.360 --> 1:47:13.920 So with the politics of the business record was that 1:47:14.600 --> 1:47:17.120 Because it's funny you mentioned that you thought, Psycho now 1:47:17.120 --> 1:47:19.120 this was your last thing, reading a line of notes 1:47:19.160 --> 1:47:21.400 of positive business, I thought that the last thing. 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:24.519 You know, it felt like it because I chepel was 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:28.400 on that right. Yeah, because imagine I did this record man, 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:31.080 put all this work into this record and handed Tommy 1:47:31.160 --> 1:47:35.840 Boy and you know, and they really didn't love it 1:47:36.080 --> 1:47:38.680 until critical claim came back. You know, It's one of 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:42.040 those things like somebody you know, you have something, it's 1:47:42.080 --> 1:47:44.160 all right, and then everybody goes, oh, that's dope. Nigga yeah, 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:46.640 it's dope, and we have it. It wasn't until that 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:49.680 point where they realized that something dope. It was at 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:50.720 the end of its run. 1:47:51.520 --> 1:47:53.320 So you mean to tell me that by the time 1:47:53.880 --> 1:47:55.679 that the politics of the business came out, then. 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:57.840 It was like they were like, yo, make another one. 1:47:57.880 --> 1:48:00.519 They's like, make another Prince among thieves, talking about Prince 1:48:00.520 --> 1:48:03.680 among thieves and head into politics. And I'm like, I 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:06.360 can't make that. It's like it's like Bugs Bunny one 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:09.200 show only or no, Daffy Duck blows himself up. You know, 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:12.080 it's one. I can't do that Again's so hard. And 1:48:12.160 --> 1:48:14.120 plus when I didn't get too much love the first time. 1:48:14.520 --> 1:48:18.880 So and having a conversation with the label, remember they're like, 1:48:18.920 --> 1:48:21.280 you know, it's about a singles market, has nothing to 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:25.360 do with an album. Paul thinking so backwards, I'm like, word, 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:27.600 I'm going to make this record and it's just going 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:32.160 to be a spoof of single, which backfired against because 1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:34.679 everybody took it literal and I'm like, it's a spoof, 1:48:34.720 --> 1:48:35.599 but I'm just joking. 1:48:35.760 --> 1:48:37.880 This isn't what I really do. This is just like 1:48:38.000 --> 1:48:41.000 kind of a joke and and yeah, it went, it went. 1:48:41.120 --> 1:48:42.880 It went hey, why Yeah, I remember we talking about 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:45.160 when we were doing the breaks and we talked about 1:48:45.439 --> 1:48:46.000 booty clap. 1:48:47.400 --> 1:48:49.559 That's like my figure. You would saying how like Luke 1:48:50.040 --> 1:48:51.720 you did that as like, oh yeah, yeah, that was 1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:52.519 a psycho analysis. 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:56.360 But then Luke came out with Scar and I think 1:48:56.439 --> 1:48:59.400 that was like one hundred and forty something crazy. 1:48:59.439 --> 1:49:01.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was too slow at 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:03.479 one hundred and twenty five. I was like, man, I 1:49:03.520 --> 1:49:04.559 can't get the spoof right. 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:08.519 So I have a quick question about politics. Did Chuck 1:49:08.560 --> 1:49:10.200 Rock ever pay you the twenty two hundred. 1:49:09.960 --> 1:49:17.760 Years you know what, I just have to say, unequivocally, No, 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:22.400 I have not got that back, nor do I ever 1:49:22.520 --> 1:49:25.680 expect to ever get if you ever gave it back, yo, 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:28.200 I would go on all types of social media and 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:31.160 I would say, you know, I'm gonna say he's the 1:49:31.200 --> 1:49:34.360 greatest guy. But I would go, yo, he finally paid 1:49:34.400 --> 1:49:36.920 me back. I don't know, like it took all this 1:49:37.080 --> 1:49:41.800 time man, and coming back. You know, man, that that 1:49:42.040 --> 1:49:43.880 that could be a lifetime movie. I would tell you 1:49:43.960 --> 1:49:44.479 all the guys that. 1:49:44.520 --> 1:49:47.920 Story be like what, yeah, what was the story was done? 1:49:47.960 --> 1:49:52.360 Twentywo hundred dollars? I can't get to that you put 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:52.920 it out there. 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:58.960 You know, it's like I got man, you know, was 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.559 it like production was some production stuff for music? 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:03.040 I just got got personal. 1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:04.120 I just got god. 1:50:04.400 --> 1:50:06.240 You know what I'm saying. I was a vic you 1:50:06.280 --> 1:50:07.599 know what I'm saying. That's all I could say. 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:10.400 I got got you know, and you live and you learn, 1:50:10.479 --> 1:50:10.880 you move on. 1:50:11.120 --> 1:50:13.160 You know. The money didn't hurt me as much as 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:16.200 the fact that I thought we were cool. You know 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:16.760 what I'm saying. 1:50:16.920 --> 1:50:20.560 Oh, so this is like there's still feelings behind that. 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:23.680 I mean, because I mean it's like, even if we 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:26.320 see it now, it's like, who's mad cool with you? 1:50:27.040 --> 1:50:27.320 No one? 1:50:27.960 --> 1:50:31.200 And that's how let's say let's say let's say, like, 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:32.960 for example. 1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:34.160 Sake, I never been in his house, but we kind 1:50:34.160 --> 1:50:35.080 of okay, Let's. 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:36.720 Let's say cool all of a sudden, and you will 1:50:36.760 --> 1:50:41.560 never come either. So let's say hypothetically, she set you 1:50:41.720 --> 1:50:45.680 up to steal from you. You like, oh something, who 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.320 was cool? We hung out, we did, we work together, we. 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:55.479 Back in the day for ninety can you name it 1:50:55.600 --> 1:51:02.880 your but when it was cool? Oh damn yeah. So 1:51:03.040 --> 1:51:05.240 I mean it makes a great story, you know what 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:06.960 I'm saying, and I'll tell it one. 1:51:06.920 --> 1:51:10.600 Day in full okay, in social media, but but no, no, 1:51:10.920 --> 1:51:14.280 you know, you know, I honestly I think chumb Is 1:51:14.439 --> 1:51:15.880 is and I can say this is about time to 1:51:15.880 --> 1:51:18.240 talk about that. I think he's super dupid talent and 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:20.320 some reason why I work with him. And he's really 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:23.120 you know, he's really smart, and you know he's funny 1:51:23.200 --> 1:51:26.040 and all the other great things, very charming. But at 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:28.880 the same time, you know, those are the things that 1:51:29.080 --> 1:51:36.519 really make great set up a great vic I got vixed. 1:51:36.840 --> 1:51:39.280 I'll just say that, man, you know, wait before we 1:51:39.439 --> 1:51:40.040 wrap up. 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:45.280 Handsome School. But we have that too. 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:51.200 Okay, wait, been in like eight groups, got myself quite often, 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:52.040 I gotta wait. 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:54.920 I'm sorry because I'm gonna forget this and Steve will 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.640 kill us if we don't mention the fact that you 1:51:57.840 --> 1:52:00.000 worked with TiO Macera te. 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:05.040 Ab Oh yeah, yo, that was great man with Vernon 1:52:05.120 --> 1:52:07.800 Reid on that record. Steve and I have a running 1:52:07.920 --> 1:52:11.840 joke with H. T. T O and Felonious Monk. 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:15.400 There's a documentary where Felonius does this like brilliant take 1:52:15.439 --> 1:52:17.840 on piano and he tells to okay, play it back 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:18.160 for me. 1:52:18.479 --> 1:52:22.240 And t was like, oh, I didn't record that. I 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:25.120 was just getting levels, and but Thanes like, okay, but 1:52:25.200 --> 1:52:27.679 play it back for me. He's like, I didn't get 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.479 that all right, Well just play the tape back for me. No, 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:33.360 you don't understand I didn't record it, all right, Well 1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:35.559 wait right here, just play it back for me. That's 1:52:35.680 --> 1:52:38.720 me and Steve all day. Just play it back for me. 1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:40.880 But they had they got it on video tape. 1:52:41.760 --> 1:52:42.960 That's the ironic, right. 1:52:43.120 --> 1:52:45.599 Well, yeah, that is that's true. That is true. 1:52:45.680 --> 1:52:47.080 But what was it like working with TiO? 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:51.640 To me, just like working with Bernie Warrell. It's to me, 1:52:51.680 --> 1:52:53.479 it's like free college, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:52:53.560 --> 1:52:57.240 I just I throw on my part, but I'm just watching, 1:52:57.800 --> 1:53:03.439 you know that my whole like uh thing, especially with production, 1:53:03.600 --> 1:53:05.599 working with people who are the seasoned like that. I mean, 1:53:05.640 --> 1:53:07.599 you know, we all learn from each other, but I'm 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:10.479 watching hard body. I'm asking a ton of questions. I'm like, 1:53:10.720 --> 1:53:13.040 how did you do this? Blah blah blah, and you know, 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:14.960 get into the mind frame it. I mean all of it, 1:53:15.280 --> 1:53:17.920 all of it helps you know, So that that's to 1:53:18.040 --> 1:53:19.479 me what it was. More or less, it was just 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:22.280 like me fan boying, like, Yo, why'd you do that? 1:53:22.800 --> 1:53:24.400 When you did that? How'd you do that? And it's 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:26.240 funny Like a lot of these older guys, I'm sure 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.280 you've dealt with this too, the man, all we do 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.760 is make all manufactual like, but what do you mean? 1:53:33.000 --> 1:53:35.720 May we just cut on switch man the episodes of 1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:39.760 the show, you know, And so I'm sitting there like, 1:53:39.800 --> 1:53:42.160 well in awe, like, but the equipment was so limited 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:43.280 back then, and what did you do? 1:53:44.479 --> 1:53:44.679 Wait? 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:48.519 One more? One more regrets Miles Davis's producer for that, 1:53:48.680 --> 1:53:53.720 thank you? I was I'm sorry, what did you have 1:53:53.800 --> 1:53:55.320 to do with new Kirk's career? 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:55.720 Thank you? 1:53:57.400 --> 1:53:57.799 Regrets. 1:53:59.840 --> 1:54:01.840 We can't end the show without missing done on new 1:54:01.920 --> 1:54:06.760 Kircules show stops. Then we'll go to Texas forgot. So 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:09.679 right now I'm thinking of regret questions. Man new Kirk 1:54:10.439 --> 1:54:11.000 me new Kirk. 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:14.000 We met when he moved in from the Bronx to 1:54:14.120 --> 1:54:18.360 Amyville in eighth grade. Eighth grade was pivotal in eighth grade, 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:20.760 and we were in a group. He was my MC, 1:54:20.880 --> 1:54:24.000 he was empty Kid wonder Wow and his and we 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:27.519 had my man Mike Telux Uh and his and and 1:54:27.720 --> 1:54:30.559 also new Kirk's brother Ray whose name is Sugar Ray, 1:54:30.560 --> 1:54:31.760 and we had a we had a group called the 1:54:31.800 --> 1:54:34.920 Soul Brothers back in in in uh in high school. 1:54:35.520 --> 1:54:38.800 And and you know, after a while, new Kirk kind 1:54:38.800 --> 1:54:40.280 of went on to his thing. I was getting more 1:54:40.800 --> 1:54:43.680 into stetsisnic I met them, and he got more into 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:45.960 like a prince vibe. So we, you know, even though 1:54:45.960 --> 1:54:49.200 we're mad cool musically, we're kind of separated. And he 1:54:49.360 --> 1:54:53.240 was just making demos and stuff and and with all 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:54.640 my friends. If you know what's in all my records, 1:54:54.680 --> 1:54:57.000 there's usually a band of characters that follow me from 1:54:57.040 --> 1:54:58.080 record to record to record. 1:54:58.600 --> 1:55:01.000 One of them is new Kirk's primate and Bemos the 1:55:01.080 --> 1:55:01.720 pop Master. 1:55:02.000 --> 1:55:04.360 You know, there's certain people did that that it just 1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:07.840 my friends from like childhood and the pop mass. Was 1:55:07.880 --> 1:55:10.560 he the one on booty him pop Master does all 1:55:10.640 --> 1:55:15.840 my uh hey oh yeah, yeah, that's that's freaking yeah. Yeah, 1:55:18.240 --> 1:55:20.400 I just seen the pop Master about it. But wait, 1:55:20.440 --> 1:55:30.800 who uh uh uh uh who worship? Who is that? 1:55:31.040 --> 1:55:31.200 Oh? 1:55:31.320 --> 1:55:33.720 That that's this guy named Ron. He worked at the 1:55:34.120 --> 1:55:36.440 at the I told you I done a guy for stuff. Hey, 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:39.800 you and the booth he was he worked at Calliope. 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:44.080 He was like the manager a lot of I've heard 1:55:44.160 --> 1:55:46.880 that voice on a lot of other stuff too. After 1:55:47.120 --> 1:55:52.400 he was on my record, I launched his career. He 1:55:52.560 --> 1:55:54.120 was working at the studio as. 1:55:54.040 --> 1:55:57.680 A bad the original version of Who Do You Worship? Oh? 1:55:57.760 --> 1:55:58.480 I love that one. 1:55:58.680 --> 1:55:59.680 Why didn't y'all put that. 1:55:59.720 --> 1:56:01.760 On the record? I don't know. I have no idea. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:03.560 I loved that one. 1:56:04.280 --> 1:56:04.520 Get it? 1:56:04.600 --> 1:56:06.120 And where did you hear that? What's my name? 1:56:06.200 --> 1:56:06.760 Motherucker? 1:56:09.320 --> 1:56:12.400 I can't even find that. It is in my thing 1:56:12.480 --> 1:56:13.960 of cassettes, and I don't know where it's. 1:56:13.960 --> 1:56:17.040 I have a draft of of des was Dead that's 1:56:17.120 --> 1:56:21.320 slightly altered than the version of Man. 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:23.920 That's beautiful. Another text regard question, Oh. 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:26.120 New Kirk, let me get back to Newkirk. But yeah, 1:56:26.200 --> 1:56:30.720 so so new Kirk. After I asked him, you know, 1:56:31.040 --> 1:56:33.360 do the voice in the three Rising and third Base? 1:56:33.400 --> 1:56:35.680 And oh this is before third Base? I introduced him 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:40.880 to Russell and Russell signed him to his OBR and 1:56:41.200 --> 1:56:43.520 that kind of set it up. That's why I had 1:56:43.520 --> 1:56:45.200 a little bit of juice. Man was the joint. 1:56:45.280 --> 1:56:46.760 That's when people actually kind of liked me. 1:56:46.880 --> 1:56:49.560 You know, I could I could call up a random person, 1:56:49.680 --> 1:56:52.440 hey man, Paul, how are you you know, when when 1:56:52.440 --> 1:56:56.280 you start making money for people that Yeah, yeah, you 1:56:56.360 --> 1:56:57.840 know what was your text regreat question? 1:56:59.040 --> 1:56:59.200 Uh? 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:03.000 Who was they are talking about at the beginning of 1:57:03.160 --> 1:57:04.920 AFRO Connections at a high five. 1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:11.400 Or we can't say, okay, don't mention the name. Were 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:14.440 they talking about someone specific? No, not that I can 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:16.280 think of. That's all you have to say, like they 1:57:16.360 --> 1:57:17.240 might have to ask them. 1:57:17.800 --> 1:57:19.400 But from what I remember, it was just an overall 1:57:19.440 --> 1:57:21.240 because that was the vibe back then, because dudes was 1:57:21.320 --> 1:57:22.720 just doing that. You know what I'm saying. It was 1:57:22.840 --> 1:57:23.640 just the movement. 1:57:24.440 --> 1:57:29.200 And what is Crocker Crocker thing? Or no, no, no, 1:57:30.000 --> 1:57:31.880 that's him saying his name though. No, No, that's on 1:57:32.040 --> 1:57:33.040 Crocker from Kojack. 1:57:33.800 --> 1:57:34.320 That's right. 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:39.640 I forgot Tom Hayes handled one. Okay, playing found that Crocker. 1:57:40.200 --> 1:57:42.840 Yeah, you know it's one of those things you got. 1:57:43.120 --> 1:57:45.760 You know, you just ran Crocker. Yes, put that in there, Crocker. 1:57:46.000 --> 1:57:47.760 You just come up to curses Crocker. 1:57:48.320 --> 1:57:50.680 You know, I see handsl wore Mylin school real quick. 1:57:50.680 --> 1:57:52.600 I know we got handsl wore Mylin school. 1:57:54.760 --> 1:57:54.960 Y'all. 1:57:55.040 --> 1:57:57.360 Just well, hopefully they just use one of the joints 1:57:57.400 --> 1:57:59.720 and Baby Driver the movie. Yeah, I just I just 1:57:59.760 --> 1:58:01.520 heard about that. My nephew told me about that. 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:02.360 Yeah, they used that. 1:58:02.440 --> 1:58:04.960 How did that come about? I don't know. 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:06.560 I just well, I mean, did the group not that 1:58:06.840 --> 1:58:09.800 that placement, but just you an automator. Oh that was 1:58:09.840 --> 1:58:10.240 a joke. 1:58:10.480 --> 1:58:13.840 It was automated. Was at Tommy Boy and he was like, 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:16.840 because me and water made became cool when he did doctor, 1:58:17.480 --> 1:58:19.360 I was doing Psychoanalysis and I did a remix with 1:58:19.400 --> 1:58:23.760 Blue Flowers, and then we were talking about Chris Elliott 1:58:23.760 --> 1:58:25.960 and Get A Life and ha ha, I remember the episode. 1:58:25.680 --> 1:58:28.160 Handsome Model in School had some way Model School. 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:29.440 Ha ha haa. We're laughing with joking. 1:58:30.120 --> 1:58:32.520 That's where it comes from. Yeah, which changing which changing 1:58:32.600 --> 1:58:35.640 copies of old VHS tapes of Get a Life. 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:38.120 And then all of a sudden he's at Tommy Boy 1:58:38.400 --> 1:58:41.760 and he's like, uh, yeah, I told I told tom 1:58:41.800 --> 1:58:44.040 and Monica that we got a group called Handsome Boy 1:58:44.080 --> 1:58:45.840 Model School and they would have signed us. I was 1:58:45.880 --> 1:58:48.160 like really, He's like yeah. I was like, all right, bet, 1:58:48.280 --> 1:58:51.000 let's do it. So you know, it wasn't a group, 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:52.360 it was just a joke, and then we had to 1:58:52.600 --> 1:58:54.400 live up to the joke. By making the record and 1:58:55.080 --> 1:58:56.360 anything behind the joke. 1:58:57.360 --> 1:59:00.000 Did Chris Elliott ever talk to you guys about Yeah. 1:59:00.160 --> 1:59:01.680 But actually we met up with Chris Elliott and he 1:59:01.760 --> 1:59:04.040 was like, I can't believe that Abby's coming to the 1:59:04.040 --> 1:59:07.240 show today. Side note, Chris is darting. He was like, 1:59:07.440 --> 1:59:10.080 I'm surprised anybody even liked anything about it, foxing me 1:59:10.200 --> 1:59:12.200 such a hard time with the thing, and and he 1:59:12.280 --> 1:59:14.240 wanted to work with us on some project, but it 1:59:14.320 --> 1:59:17.880 never it never happened. Is that how the Atlantic thing 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:20.200 for the second album The White People? Oh, it's because 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:24.600 Tommy Boy. Uh one just took the catalog from Tommy Boy. 1:59:24.720 --> 1:59:28.480 So all the groups got dispersed. Obviously, nobody wanted me 1:59:28.520 --> 1:59:31.680 as a solo artist, but they accepted me and Handsome 1:59:31.720 --> 1:59:33.760 Boy modeling school, which I was just fine. 1:59:34.320 --> 1:59:35.960 Can I just give people a point of reference where 1:59:36.040 --> 1:59:38.120 Chris Elliott remember something by Mary? 1:59:38.640 --> 1:59:38.840 Yeah? 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:41.960 He was the guy he was what was his character name? 1:59:42.080 --> 1:59:44.120 He was the boyfriend, yeah, the one that had all. 1:59:44.040 --> 1:59:46.040 The zi Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 1:59:46.600 --> 1:59:48.200 He was the lead character. And get a life, which 1:59:48.240 --> 1:59:52.040 is what I know. But some kind of life is 1:59:52.080 --> 1:59:53.400 also the dicks. 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:56.480 Yeah, I got so much awkward stuff right. 1:59:58.080 --> 2:00:00.200 Oh that was my lad. That was my last. 2:00:00.640 --> 2:00:03.880 This was gonna be one the Dicks. 2:00:08.520 --> 2:00:10.520 It was a group. It was like his fate like 2:00:10.680 --> 2:00:15.040 Motown soul group d you don't know it was. It 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:20.600 was this was like oh, it was like, yeah, I 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:21.480 was depressed by then. 2:00:23.320 --> 2:00:25.920 Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, this is a fun. 2:00:26.400 --> 2:00:28.320 There's certain records that I make that I'm serious. 2:00:28.360 --> 2:00:30.160 I'm like, Yo, this is I think this is dope. 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:34.320 When you hear records like Psychoanalysis or The Dicks or Instrumental, 2:00:35.120 --> 2:00:37.240 but yeah, those barn was a fun records. It was 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:38.440 like I just make just the mate. 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:39.120 You know what I'm saying. 2:00:39.160 --> 2:00:41.080 That's like you like it, you don't like it, hate me, 2:00:41.800 --> 2:00:43.520 But that was just, you know, an imagination thing. 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:44.000 It is fun. 2:00:44.040 --> 2:00:45.840 I got all my friends together. I gotta say that 2:00:45.960 --> 2:00:49.800 I'm one of the biggest Barman fans ever. Barman. He 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:54.360 talks about Barman's on that ass B list half the time. 2:00:54.440 --> 2:01:00.240 He like, Yo, who's uh area code like apartment who 2:01:03.200 --> 2:01:06.640 Barman's genius. Yeah, Man, very overlooked Man. 2:01:06.680 --> 2:01:07.400 I love that dude. 2:01:07.440 --> 2:01:10.160 Man. But yeah, he talks about you all the time, 2:01:10.400 --> 2:01:12.840 Man to you all lived together. At some point He's like. 2:01:13.720 --> 2:01:18.160 Man, it's just you know these' it's my spirit animal 2:01:18.280 --> 2:01:18.760 man Paul. 2:01:18.880 --> 2:01:19.080 Yeah. 2:01:19.160 --> 2:01:19.840 Yeah, he's crazy. 2:01:20.120 --> 2:01:21.040 Yeah, he's mad. Cool. 2:01:21.080 --> 2:01:24.920 I got him in a group with uh uh the 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:26.919 director Eternal Sins. 2:01:28.040 --> 2:01:30.600 Yeah, with Michelle Okay, yeah he did talk about that. 2:01:30.720 --> 2:01:32.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool man. 2:01:32.760 --> 2:01:34.680 Yeah, he's good to work. I'm glad you guys are 2:01:34.720 --> 2:01:35.240 working together. 2:01:35.320 --> 2:01:37.360 They got a side project. All right, So what was 2:01:37.400 --> 2:01:39.480 your you had? It was one last really kind of 2:01:39.480 --> 2:01:42.840 stupid question. I'm not stupid. George Clinton tweaking remix? 2:01:43.120 --> 2:01:45.680 Wow, forgot about that, Jesus, My brother brought it up 2:01:45.800 --> 2:01:46.520 not too long ago. 2:01:47.240 --> 2:01:49.760 Did you touch that before or after? Prince got ahold 2:01:49.760 --> 2:01:51.560 of it? Because you both are credited on the record. 2:01:52.320 --> 2:01:54.560 Two princess Yeah, two princes on the same record. 2:01:54.680 --> 2:01:57.320 Honestly, you know what. I don't even I don't even know. 2:01:58.200 --> 2:02:00.720 I think I have a copy of the record somewhere. 2:02:01.120 --> 2:02:04.720 I don't remember anything. All I remember I remember, I 2:02:04.800 --> 2:02:10.400 do remember this is that Before then, Prince wanted me 2:02:10.560 --> 2:02:13.600 to come down to the was it Paisley Park Studios 2:02:13.960 --> 2:02:15.600 and record but I couldn't at the time. I was 2:02:15.640 --> 2:02:18.720 really busy. So he sent me the the masters to 2:02:19.160 --> 2:02:21.800 I mean, he had to Island Media where I was working. 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:22.240 That's funny. 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:24.800 Now, I was like, oh, I have no time for you, Prince. 2:02:27.000 --> 2:02:31.640 What a douchebag of my you know, but and you 2:02:31.720 --> 2:02:33.040 knew I was a big George Clinton fan. And I 2:02:33.080 --> 2:02:36.040 remember doing it, but I don't remember the process, you know, 2:02:36.120 --> 2:02:39.600 I just remember recording. Okay, this is cool, not some 2:02:39.680 --> 2:02:41.360 of my better work. I mean, I wish I could 2:02:41.360 --> 2:02:42.800 go back in time and really redo that. And I 2:02:42.840 --> 2:02:44.320 wish I'd go back in time and go to Paisley 2:02:44.320 --> 2:02:48.280 Park Studios. Can you before we go, can you talk 2:02:48.280 --> 2:02:49.800 about the Brooks Hill Project? 2:02:50.240 --> 2:02:54.600 Oh, Brizil, Yeah, that was a long time in the making. 2:02:54.680 --> 2:02:59.040 Man. That was me visiting South Polow hooking up with 2:02:59.280 --> 2:03:02.720 Hadrig Brown and now who was the host of Young 2:03:02.800 --> 2:03:05.920 TV Raps Brazil back in when they had the Young 2:03:05.960 --> 2:03:10.800 tv Raps. Yeah, and you know me talking about Hanles 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:15.000 make a record and hooking up together and and introducing 2:03:15.080 --> 2:03:17.800 him to Mecca, you know him find out Mecca's families 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:22.760 from Brazil and her peature or speaking Portuguese, and they bonded. 2:03:22.840 --> 2:03:25.120 And then you know, I always bring my usual suspect 2:03:25.160 --> 2:03:26.880 to always bring new Kirk in because you know he's 2:03:27.160 --> 2:03:28.600 he's my boy for life, you know what I'm saying. 2:03:28.640 --> 2:03:32.080 So and yeah, we just started making this record piecing together. 2:03:32.120 --> 2:03:34.360 It took so long because we try to get right 2:03:34.400 --> 2:03:36.760 in the room at the same time. Somebody from Brazil, 2:03:36.880 --> 2:03:40.760 somebody's you know. So it's it took us like almost 2:03:41.120 --> 2:03:43.480 like eight years to make that record and just to 2:03:43.640 --> 2:03:46.280 like just to record again. Wow. Yeah, because we record 2:03:46.360 --> 2:03:50.120 some South Paulo, some in Queens, some in Long Island, 2:03:50.360 --> 2:03:54.000 and some in Atlanta. So we were all over the place. 2:03:54.120 --> 2:03:56.080 So it's just set up. Now do you set up 2:03:56.120 --> 2:03:58.000 at the crib like you just have a home set. 2:03:58.080 --> 2:04:00.440 We recorded vocals and I've had a home set up 2:04:00.680 --> 2:04:03.000 when home setups weren't popular, like when we was doing 2:04:03.640 --> 2:04:06.200 the daylight stuff. I started making a home setup because 2:04:06.400 --> 2:04:08.080 I try to save as much money and pre production 2:04:08.120 --> 2:04:10.160 before I went to studios possible, because like so, when 2:04:10.200 --> 2:04:14.640 you have a twenty five thousand dollars budget, yo, you 2:04:14.800 --> 2:04:18.960 gotta find And I kept that mentality because I seen 2:04:18.960 --> 2:04:20.880 it like this, right, when you got a budget, you 2:04:20.960 --> 2:04:23.360 make a record, let's say hypothetically, and I'll keep it 2:04:23.400 --> 2:04:24.800 at twenty five thousand dollars. 2:04:25.080 --> 2:04:26.960 You know that's money you're definitely gonna have. 2:04:27.080 --> 2:04:28.600 You don't know if you're ever going to make a 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:31.920 royal do So I'm trying to spend this little without 2:04:32.040 --> 2:04:36.080 jeopardizing the integrated project as possible in making that record. 2:04:36.160 --> 2:04:38.240 So I can just pocket the rest because I know 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:41.040 that that's the only money I may ever have from 2:04:41.120 --> 2:04:42.840 that record, ever, ever, ever. 2:04:43.360 --> 2:04:47.000 Okay, So Paul, we can stay here for another nine hours, 2:04:47.840 --> 2:04:49.160 but I get. 2:04:49.080 --> 2:04:49.560 Restless, like. 2:04:51.720 --> 2:04:54.200 More, But I gotta I gotta go. 2:04:54.200 --> 2:04:54.720 To my job. 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:57.360 But here's the thing. Can we just have warm round 2:04:57.400 --> 2:05:00.240 of regret questions and just fired off and just try 2:05:00.280 --> 2:05:03.520 to keep it short? Is it's not? Okay? 2:05:03.600 --> 2:05:05.560 But fuck it, this is the only time we get 2:05:05.600 --> 2:05:08.400 to ask this. So when you recorded the second Chris 2:05:08.520 --> 2:05:14.160 Rock album, yes, I noticed. What microphone did you use 2:05:14.240 --> 2:05:19.120 on Chris Rock? Sorry, because it sounded like I felt 2:05:19.200 --> 2:05:21.600 that you were going for those old Red Fox records. 2:05:24.320 --> 2:05:28.360 If you listen to the quality of of of the 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:33.360 comedy bits that are done in the club, it was like, oh, 2:05:33.400 --> 2:05:35.800 it's like, oh, like you were doing a Dap Kings 2:05:36.200 --> 2:05:40.800 fifties throwback or nah, you just had a bad microphone. 2:05:40.240 --> 2:05:46.040 And you just it was probably the latter. You don't 2:05:46.120 --> 2:05:48.600 listen back, I'm like, Yo, this sounds really like it 2:05:48.880 --> 2:05:51.560 just all I know. Was the last record that we 2:05:51.680 --> 2:05:58.160 made was it Never Scared to Me, which sounded too perfect? 2:05:58.520 --> 2:05:58.920 I like this. 2:05:59.160 --> 2:06:02.120 Yeah. I like the sound of like the non digitized, 2:06:02.320 --> 2:06:04.880 non sterile, old school stuff. So yeah, it was probably 2:06:04.960 --> 2:06:08.080 by design, and that was probably thanks to Scottie Hart, 2:06:08.200 --> 2:06:11.840 my engineer. He probably sat and like, yeah, it was. 2:06:11.880 --> 2:06:16.600 Recordable on the on the cad mic whatever microphone was. 2:06:16.920 --> 2:06:19.440 Well start it was a Stroker genius because if he 2:06:20.000 --> 2:06:22.440 ever does another comic record, I'm like, you gotta get 2:06:22.480 --> 2:06:25.800 that microphone you used for the second album, which it. 2:06:25.880 --> 2:06:28.440 Makes all the difference. Man. It's funny how tonality will 2:06:28.520 --> 2:06:31.760 make you perceive even jokes or anything that you listen to. Yes, 2:06:32.240 --> 2:06:33.880 you know, and I try to tell people that, like 2:06:33.960 --> 2:06:36.520 and that's why certain things don't sound really good sterile 2:06:36.600 --> 2:06:40.520 and new age, you know, High Death? Did you record 2:06:40.560 --> 2:06:42.200 those the real people ignorance. 2:06:41.880 --> 2:06:42.800 Skits to ye? 2:06:46.200 --> 2:06:48.560 Do I even ask why you and Chris Rock. 2:06:51.360 --> 2:06:52.240 Have you heard the records? 2:06:52.480 --> 2:06:52.680 Yeah? 2:06:52.840 --> 2:06:55.280 But I'm just I'm asking this for people who might 2:06:55.320 --> 2:06:55.800 be listening. 2:06:56.480 --> 2:06:59.600 Prince Paul, Well, the weird thing is after psycho analysis, 2:06:59.640 --> 2:07:01.240 he ran called me up, and I thought it was 2:07:01.280 --> 2:07:03.240 a joke from Daylight because we play jokes on each other, 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:05.680 like here he goes Apasta's network will call, And I 2:07:05.720 --> 2:07:08.600 thought it was like a joke, like you know, yeah something, 2:07:08.680 --> 2:07:10.560 it's Chris rock Man do his record. 2:07:10.640 --> 2:07:13.120 I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever, what record you want me 2:07:13.200 --> 2:07:13.360 to do? 2:07:13.480 --> 2:07:16.040 I was just like all like, yeah, okay whatever. He said, No, 2:07:16.080 --> 2:07:18.160 I'm serious, I'm gonna do like maybe like one or 2:07:18.200 --> 2:07:19.720 two things. And we met up and I was like, 2:07:19.840 --> 2:07:22.440 this is a joke. He's like no, I'm serious. And 2:07:22.480 --> 2:07:24.480 then we just got along really well. 2:07:24.400 --> 2:07:26.520 Because no one thought that Chris rock was going to 2:07:26.600 --> 2:07:29.200 make a record with skits on it, right, and so 2:07:29.600 --> 2:07:30.280 you know that's. 2:07:30.120 --> 2:07:31.720 What I don't think he thought he was gonna make 2:07:31.720 --> 2:07:34.680 a regular s got to just developed this thing on. 2:07:34.920 --> 2:07:36.840 You know, all right, Bill, do you have a regret question? 2:07:37.440 --> 2:07:38.760 What's Prince Paul's favorite skit? 2:07:41.560 --> 2:07:45.320 Anything? Doctor Dre made on up? 2:07:47.360 --> 2:07:47.400 That? 2:07:47.840 --> 2:07:48.120 Really? 2:07:48.400 --> 2:07:51.280 To me, that sets the bar forever because he says 2:07:51.400 --> 2:07:53.560 he acknowledges that he got all that shit from you. 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:56.400 Well, you know, he just as he for a fact, 2:07:56.520 --> 2:08:00.760 I didn't know that. Yes, he's acknowledged that. You know, Wow, 2:08:01.080 --> 2:08:03.960 that that's man, that's flattering because I was trying to 2:08:04.000 --> 2:08:05.720 copy that. From that point, I was like, oh my god, 2:08:05.800 --> 2:08:09.560 this is incredible. You know, it's just like this last 2:08:09.600 --> 2:08:12.160 thing I'll say is it's just like when I finally 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:17.160 met the Beasties and Paul mc a, yeah, God rest 2:08:17.280 --> 2:08:19.880 his soul. He was and him and ad Rock was 2:08:19.920 --> 2:08:21.840 telling me like, we hated you when you made three 2:08:21.880 --> 2:08:24.960 feet high Rise because we wanted to do that first. 2:08:25.120 --> 2:08:27.680 Like you know what's crazy. I paid three high Rising 2:08:27.760 --> 2:08:33.440 out the licensed ill I just added extra stuff to it, 2:08:33.560 --> 2:08:36.240 you know what I'm saying. That was the bewildering part 2:08:36.280 --> 2:08:37.760 of it. And I'm like, wow, you guys are by 2:08:37.800 --> 2:08:41.440 inspiration that and and uh and easy. I think the 2:08:41.520 --> 2:08:44.280 first record he did and Paul the Funk Cadelic. It 2:08:44.360 --> 2:08:45.040 was a combination. 2:08:45.360 --> 2:08:48.600 So yeah, you guys were definitely doing the Beatles Beach 2:08:48.720 --> 2:08:51.440 Boys battle for it was going to be more autistic. 2:08:51.760 --> 2:08:53.640 Steve any questions. 2:08:54.240 --> 2:08:58.680 Like, regret question, Yeah, I regret regret question. 2:09:00.040 --> 2:09:03.360 Lady and gentlemen, this has been an awesome episode of 2:09:04.840 --> 2:09:05.360 Prince Carl. 2:09:05.720 --> 2:09:08.960 Thank you, and I will give you guys around applaw us. 2:09:10.200 --> 2:09:12.440 Thank you for tolerating me this long and waiting for. 2:09:15.720 --> 2:09:17.680 I'm sure you will be a repeat quest because we 2:09:17.760 --> 2:09:21.440 got so much more questions, repeat a repeat question of 2:09:21.640 --> 2:09:22.240 repeat quest. 2:09:22.280 --> 2:09:23.600 Yes, and I will come back and ask you all 2:09:23.720 --> 2:09:25.640 questions to ask. 2:09:25.560 --> 2:09:30.840 About the lawsuit anyway on behalf of like you and 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:34.080 Steve and Bill and other Bill who's not here, pour 2:09:34.120 --> 2:09:37.600 off some spit, Lincoln and Flow. 2:09:38.360 --> 2:09:39.320 And Prince Paul. 2:09:39.400 --> 2:09:41.320 We thank you very much and uh, we'll see you 2:09:41.400 --> 2:09:43.720 on the next go round. 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