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Speaker 2: What's Up, Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June
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Speaker 2: This week we are focusing on some of the great
Speaker 2: hip hop conversations that in the ULS catalog. Our leader
Speaker 2: Questlove has a new book out called hip Hop Is History.
Speaker 2: Check it out at questlove dot com. Next up, we
Speaker 2: are revisiting our conversation with legendary producer, DJ and artist
Speaker 2: Prince Paul, who revolutionized album making and production techniques.
Speaker 3: Breathords Supremo Supremo, roll Call, Supreme O, Supremo called Suprema Supremo,
Speaker 3: Role called Suprema Suprema.
Speaker 1: Role seventy Chaka Khan. Yeah, yeah, that freaking movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, freaking.
Speaker 5: Supreme Supreme Rod and I still messed up. I forgot
Speaker 5: rufus Supreme Rod.
Speaker 4: My name is Fantee. Yeah it is not Eugene. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but what does touche.
Speaker 3: Suprema role called supreme Suprema role.
Speaker 6: My name is sugar Yeah with Prince Paul Yeah, three
Speaker 6: ft high Yeah and high Supreme Suprema role called killing
Speaker 6: Supremo Supremo roll.
Speaker 7: Yeah with Paul in the place. Yeah, you better get
Speaker 7: out of my way. Yeah, I punch you in your face.
Speaker 8: Whoa Supreme son.
Speaker 3: Upreme my role?
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah head line I missed, Yeah, shout
Speaker 8: out to Prince Paul. Yeah, next up on this whoa Supreme.
Speaker 4: Supreme roll went up? The name is Paul Jesus Jesus, y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm here, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 4: Hope to cease.
Speaker 1: Suppreme my role.
Speaker 3: Actually, so supreme roll came Supremo Supreme roll call Supreme.
Speaker 5: Supreme my role. Wait, Wow, that was pressure. Were you
Speaker 5: actually surprised that we told you to do a verse?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man at the top, that you're going to do it.
Speaker 4: The last time I did Ron will Rise not falls?
Speaker 1: All right, Well you know years later here you go,
Speaker 1: wow that Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, anyway, you ain't
Speaker 1: you were on that. It was on that he was.
Speaker 4: The last one way and something you guys talking about that,
Speaker 4: I'm not alone.
Speaker 9: It was we Yeah, your skits have been co opted
Speaker 9: so many times by people in this room, like.
Speaker 4: What ladies, I got it?
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Uh, this is a special episode.
Speaker 1: It's not, ladies, and tell me this is a very
Speaker 1: unspecial episode. You know. Usually I start with the.
Speaker 5: Grandios over the top intro, but really, I will say
Speaker 5: that perhaps our special guest today is one of the
Speaker 5: first paradigm shifts and hip hop culture, meaning that it's
Speaker 5: it's his it's his brain space that allowed dweebs like
Speaker 5: me to uh make a living and in this world
Speaker 5: that we call hip hop, A lot of his leftist
Speaker 5: center and crazy ideas really resonated with nerds. I mean
Speaker 5: it made nerds feel included. And thanks, what are you
Speaker 5: trying to say about?
Speaker 1: You are our leader, ladies, and tell me please welcome
Speaker 1: our leader. Prince Paul.
Speaker 4: Made it after almost a year, I'm trying to be here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: thank you for still coming, thank you, thank you for I.
Speaker 8: Wish I couldnt how many times I have text message
Speaker 8: that says when is principal coming?
Speaker 10: I'm telling you tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, wait, yeah, there's still special this. This
Speaker 5: is definitely going to be a nerd out episode.
Speaker 1: I don't almost thought after me being the leader of
Speaker 1: the nerds apparently, I mean, do people, because I feel
Speaker 1: like you are the leader of the god of people
Speaker 1: that read liner notes on albums like that's that's I
Speaker 1: don't have to say nerds.
Speaker 5: I'll just say if you read liner notes and you
Speaker 5: love hip hop culture, then you know, Prince Paul is
Speaker 5: a part of your life.
Speaker 4: Who doesn't read liner notes? Maybe I am the nerd
Speaker 4: now well, I don't know line of notes to read?
Speaker 4: Well yeah nowadays? Yeah, just look at the picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I mean it's just, you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: things that you've done, are you know, they speak to
Speaker 5: just beyond the yes, yes, y'all crowd.
Speaker 1: So how are you today?
Speaker 4: Man? I'm good. I'm glad to be here. You know,
Speaker 4: it's good to see you. I mean you, I catch
Speaker 4: you every once in a while.
Speaker 5: It's been a second actually, you know, it's weird, like
Speaker 5: we've been doing a few DJ gigs together and I
Speaker 5: have to say that your selection your selection as of
Speaker 5: late at least the last two or three DJ gigs
Speaker 5: i've seen. I'm shocked at how you expand because usually
Speaker 5: in our cultural range, a lot of guys like to
Speaker 5: stay in the lane that they've been known for. Like
Speaker 5: you know, certain DJs will play music that only they
Speaker 5: produced in a certain period.
Speaker 4: I mean the Prince Paul Medle If I did that,
Speaker 4: everybody stop dancing. They try socialize, go to the bar,
Speaker 4: get drinks, you know, los igo pee no. But you
Speaker 4: grow up in whatever order like you Actually you cater
Speaker 4: to the crowd that's watching you, which I was amazed at.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so he's not being hard at
Speaker 4: because a lot of people just be like yo, man,
Speaker 4: I hate this particular time period and I hate modern
Speaker 4: hip hop and I'll just stick to you know, eighty
Speaker 4: six to ninety four, And you were going all over
Speaker 4: the place, like you playing trapshit that I was shocked
Speaker 4: that you were even aware of.
Speaker 1: I maybe shazamed one or two songs that he played.
Speaker 4: So now, I mean, the part of it is it's
Speaker 4: gonna sound cheesy, but good music is good music no
Speaker 4: matter whatever. It's just harder to find it in this era.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, but I'll extract stuff and
Speaker 4: I have to thank my son for all the trap knowledge.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was my.
Speaker 4: It's it. You know, he's parting and I my whod
Speaker 4: school MD James since nineteen seventy seven, since I was ten.
Speaker 4: So I come from an era where you rock the party.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with anything else.
Speaker 4: You know, It's like your job is to defeat and
Speaker 4: annihilate every DJ that's around you and then kind of
Speaker 4: make the party jump.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, you definitely uh annihilated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I was like because it was at the Try party.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh man, I was gonna do all
Speaker 5: these nice soft tribe samples and.
Speaker 4: You want to do your last record? Was like little Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I gotta they already turned sea.
Speaker 4: But you got it. You got a perfect because you
Speaker 4: walk in and goes the lights couple no technicals, like
Speaker 4: like wow, no kissed the ring.
Speaker 1: Anyway, We're not gonna get stuck in this circle.
Speaker 10: But I'm not going to give you a compliment. Don't worry.
Speaker 10: But then my reason where your son is a DJ
Speaker 10: for Uzi Bird is that is that true?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, DJs.
Speaker 5: Wow, oh no, wonder you know so much of it?
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, Paul's knowledge is amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you won't catch me dabbing anything. What's the
Speaker 4: new dance? So I noticed, everything goes like, yes, wait,
Speaker 4: how was your son? He's twenty five?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, you go almost to be your grandfather.
Speaker 4: Only Hey, hey, I know I'm fifty, So I guess
Speaker 4: it's okay.
Speaker 1: At this point, you're fifty.
Speaker 10: You lookzy.
Speaker 4: I'm fifty years old.
Speaker 10: I'm taking a picture. No, what he's cut? He got cuts? Ladies?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you look great at your age. Bro.
Speaker 4: What thanks? Little cuts like.
Speaker 10: In your in your chest and your stomach and in
Speaker 10: your arms.
Speaker 4: Now that I was looking, I'm fasting, which is part
Speaker 4: of it, intimated fasting. I would advised guys tell you
Speaker 4: about an hour window.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good thing.
Speaker 10: That's what that's called. The is doing. Okay, so you
Speaker 10: eat within that eight hour one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's terry crews.
Speaker 1: Terry crew. What's this called? It's in a minute fast?
Speaker 9: Basically you eat what you want in quotation marks, I
Speaker 9: mean because you still just can't beating function. But basically
Speaker 9: you push all your meals to an eight hour window,
Speaker 9: so then the rest of the sixteen hours in the
Speaker 9: day you're fasting. So say, if you get up around
Speaker 9: like like normally, I get up around like eleven, I
Speaker 9: hit the gym at twelve, come on, shot whatever, and
Speaker 9: then I have my first meal of the day around
Speaker 9: like two, So then my eating is from two to
Speaker 9: ten and and then you know, you sleep.
Speaker 4: You know, detox spis the liver with the kidneys. If
Speaker 4: your guy booshed the testosterone up to weigh over one
Speaker 4: hundred percent, so you keep your rocket.
Speaker 5: Ten minutes into the show, we didn't talk about one
Speaker 5: break beat. I'm sorry, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I have to say on a very very serious note,
Speaker 4: is I had a sister she just passed about.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: So cancer and a whole lot of diabetes and everything
Speaker 4: is prevalent in my family. So which made me a
Speaker 4: little more I guess health conscious as far as like
Speaker 4: you know, with heat with not teat doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 4: gonna live forever, but it does kind of play in mind.
Speaker 4: When there's certain things you can control, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You can control what you eat, control your exercise,
Speaker 4: control your stress. But you know, which genetic you can't control,
Speaker 4: so I try to hone in what I can control.
Speaker 5: Does that concern you that a lot of our you know,
Speaker 5: forget you know, the whole mentality of escaping bullets of
Speaker 5: the days.
Speaker 4: Of Latin Quarter or whatever it was. Yeah, Imber, those
Speaker 4: days was in the middle of that.
Speaker 5: Does it Is it on your mind that a lot
Speaker 5: of your contemporaries cannot really get past the age of
Speaker 5: fifty five?
Speaker 4: Just escaping fifty five? Well, I'm being generous fifty So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I think about my mortality daily. And I
Speaker 4: hate to say that, but you know, I don't obsess
Speaker 4: over it, but I do think about it because man,
Speaker 4: you know, like I said that, my sisters passed a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, and that's tough, but I only
Speaker 4: have one sibling left. Like, just think from the time
Speaker 4: that I was born, there's only one person that I
Speaker 4: can think of that was around since I was a baby.
Speaker 4: In my family. Nobody else exists, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's it's it's serious, you know. So I mean
Speaker 4: when I think of my yeah, like you know, poetic
Speaker 4: and I can keep going on and on and you
Speaker 4: know friends who passed and yeah, it's it's it's scary,
Speaker 4: you know, it's really really scary.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing it's also you know, hip hop culture celebrates,
Speaker 5: uh this this victory mark of like, you know, we
Speaker 5: made it, let's celebrate, you know. And if you think
Speaker 5: about it, like I mean, I've I've been to many
Speaker 5: a backstage ritual because she knows what what I mean
Speaker 5: my backstage ritual. You know where a bottle patron could
Speaker 5: be down by one person.
Speaker 4: Beautiful, which isn't what I'm saying that.
Speaker 5: That's not natural, you know what a certain age, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's not natural to you know, consumed.
Speaker 1: I like to do over excessive party and the celebrate,
Speaker 1: which hip hop is known for. And it's like eventually,
Speaker 1: I guess it's going to catch up to you at
Speaker 1: a certain age.
Speaker 7: But see, this is interesting because hip hop is so
Speaker 7: young that this conversation within itself is like a nuance.
Speaker 7: But it could become a trend because you guys are
Speaker 7: agent with hip.
Speaker 4: Hop, you know, but the kids, now it's a difference.
Speaker 4: I mean when you look at our age bracket, it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, dudes drink, they smoke, they might you know,
Speaker 4: depend on whatever you and you might sniff or whatever
Speaker 4: the case is. Now kids are just dropping random pills
Speaker 4: and stuff that's in alt like chemically everything in your body,
Speaker 4: and you.
Speaker 9: Don't know what the effects that that's gonna be at, Like,
Speaker 9: you don't know like all these cats doing all this
Speaker 9: shit now, like what are they gonna look like?
Speaker 4: At thirty four? It was like cracking the eighties. I remember,
Speaker 4: you know kids who smoked weed and you know, mescaline
Speaker 4: and drop tabs whatever. Yeah, crack was smoking crack, but
Speaker 4: they didn't know the long term effects. But a year
Speaker 4: later you see cats just like Jack freak out. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then so now you look back on and he's
Speaker 4: like smoke crack, you bake it, you know, so yeah
Speaker 4: saying you're right, same thing with the kids. Now, you
Speaker 4: don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You know, where were you born?
Speaker 4: I was born in Queens Flesh, not Long Island, not
Speaker 4: Long Island, so I moved out.
Speaker 5: When has anyone in hip hop purely been born in
Speaker 5: Long Island or like, do families just migrate to Long
Speaker 5: Island because that's like the safe place and you.
Speaker 4: Won't Now that's moving up, you know, when you when
Speaker 4: you lived in Brooklyn, Queens. Whatever the case is, you
Speaker 4: move to Long Island's suburbs. Is the country at least
Speaker 4: back in those days. You know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: you lived in in a confined area, the projects you
Speaker 4: lived where ever, you know, like my grandma she lived
Speaker 4: in uh that's how I Mettend and Glenmore Plaza in Brownsville.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was rough.
Speaker 4: It was rough. It was rough, but like this, it
Speaker 4: was so rough. I remember back when I had to
Speaker 4: go to Daddy O's house in order to collect money.
Speaker 4: I had to dress like a crackhead to get in
Speaker 4: and out. I used to wear a leather cap. I
Speaker 4: gotta disguise yourself as a zombie. He lived in the
Speaker 4: New Lots Plaza, and I was like, man, I got
Speaker 4: to pick up some money. How did I do this?
Speaker 4: I really thought about. I was like, yo, I used
Speaker 4: to dress. I had leather this one leather baseball caps
Speaker 4: was out, but it was kind of.
Speaker 1: Old, skinny ones like Eddie Murphy. It was regular baseball
Speaker 1: want some wrinkled up clothes.
Speaker 4: And I would just walk into his plaza talking to myself, Man,
Speaker 4: I was skinny anyway, so come out with like I
Speaker 4: don't know, flowering at dollars that. Oh this was like
Speaker 4: eighty four, eighty five really yeah, eighty six.
Speaker 10: Yeah right, it's kind of brilliant. Did you share that
Speaker 10: method with others?
Speaker 4: Man? You know, but it worked. I see nothing, you know,
Speaker 4: I see no other dudes get robbed.
Speaker 1: People wouldn't know.
Speaker 4: You know, chain's going, things going.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Everyone has all these glorious stories of like back of
Speaker 5: that era, and I'm like, yo, you weren't cautious, like
Speaker 5: rolling by itself crazy.
Speaker 4: That's what New York was beautiful though. I mean the
Speaker 4: crime kind of gave it a vibe in the cultures.
Speaker 4: So you have fond memories of those of.
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, it was crime
Speaker 4: and yo, and I got robbed Like I was a
Speaker 4: in a thing while doing a show with stets of
Speaker 4: Sonic and these dudes came in and they just it
Speaker 4: was just taking people's stuff. There's like just bum rush
Speaker 4: the whole thing. It was all this craziness and not
Speaker 4: get this was I don't want to say during the show,
Speaker 4: but it was kind of in between shows.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Fat Boys might have
Speaker 1: performing at night. It was.
Speaker 4: It was that era.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'll be goddamn if I
Speaker 5: get robbed, yo, but yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, but it was just everything getting turned over. People
Speaker 4: screaming and dudes had guns. And here I am trying
Speaker 4: to leave the spot with my homeboy because he drove
Speaker 4: me out, and you know, the dude's long story. They
Speaker 4: were coming to get out the club. I had to
Speaker 4: go upstairs and they were coming downstairs simultaneously. They said
Speaker 4: something to my boy and I was like, man, you
Speaker 4: don't know him, We're we don't. Oh, oh you're talking now.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm all of one hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty pounds at the time.
Speaker 1: Next thing I know, they took my little velcraw wallet that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had.
Speaker 1: I had to admit I had a fake chain. It
Speaker 1: was like a little thick chain.
Speaker 4: And had a pe remember like the initials with had
Speaker 4: the box Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. They took that off
Speaker 4: my deck and that's all I got. Yeah one time,
Speaker 4: But you know what, it made me cautious and the
Speaker 4: man I have today, and it made me even more
Speaker 4: hip hop. You know what I'm saying, he can't be
Speaker 4: hip hop? Get robbed.
Speaker 1: Oh damn.
Speaker 9: Now I'm thinking now if you I think you everyone
Speaker 9: been robbed by a record companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say that I've got robbed.
Speaker 1: So you said you were.
Speaker 5: DJing at the age of ten for a long time.
Speaker 5: You come from a music family or.
Speaker 4: Like, uh no, I mean, you know, aside from the
Speaker 4: old school. My dad collected jazz records. My mom, you know,
Speaker 4: collected records. My siblings are ten years and plus older
Speaker 4: than me or where I should say. So, you know,
Speaker 4: they were teenagers, so.
Speaker 1: How many all together?
Speaker 4: Was four? Now it's just me and my brother, okay,
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I mean, I you know, being a kid,
Speaker 4: you want to be like them, and so they collect
Speaker 4: the records. So while they were my friends were into toys,
Speaker 4: I was into buying records. And I still have the
Speaker 4: I have the first forty five I bought. Two I
Speaker 4: bought was Groove Me King Floyd and hot Pants, and
Speaker 4: I still have it. I was five years old, bought
Speaker 4: it from Maid's department store in Long Island.
Speaker 1: How much did it costs back then? Forty fives were
Speaker 1: how much?
Speaker 4: I think that for like less than a dollar each?
Speaker 4: You know, did you mark your name on your records
Speaker 4: like everyone oh yeah, yeah, I still got them. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're still mark it and and the breakbeats. When you
Speaker 4: get in the eighties all washed out, yeah I still
Speaker 4: got it, stuck.
Speaker 1: Onto albums right the forty five Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: still got them all hissed out.
Speaker 5: Right the same. Yeah, I love it. It's funny now
Speaker 5: because now I'm looking for that sound and that sort
Speaker 5: of texture and wax, and you can't find it where
Speaker 5: all your the beginnings of your records just having a
Speaker 5: horrible Really you're looking for that.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm trying to know, man, we could swap out
Speaker 11: with some fresh no, no, no, no, I mean it's
Speaker 11: just it's weird, like hearing say, like the chant breakbeat
Speaker 11: clean clean, it's no well and piece the President clean,
Speaker 11: and I know where the stems are, Like, it just
Speaker 11: don't sound the same without Yeah, a little static at
Speaker 11: the beginning, and it's.
Speaker 4: Hard the conversation. Yeah, you're right, we're just getting started.
Speaker 4: You're right about this. So where was your first DJ gig?
Speaker 4: If you were like, who would let you on the
Speaker 4: turntables at ten?
Speaker 1: Well, what happened, Well, what happened was like all black
Speaker 1: folks say no.
Speaker 4: But what happened was I pieced together a DJ set.
Speaker 4: I had a Lafayette. It was a Lafayette like plastic
Speaker 4: little turntable at my mom's component set, which was had
Speaker 4: a turntable attached to it. But the turntable didn't work.
Speaker 4: So I figured out a way to take one of
Speaker 4: another cheap turntable we had around the house, and I
Speaker 4: put my turntable left her turntable right, and used the
Speaker 4: balance button as a mixer as a to blend the
Speaker 4: two together. And then I put it in mono so
Speaker 4: it came out one speaker, so I couldn't que it,
Speaker 4: but I was able to go back and forth and
Speaker 4: after a while at balance, now I've got you know good.
Speaker 4: I was like because it wasn't really scratching.
Speaker 1: It was just like bent bent bent b really yeah,
Speaker 1: it was you know, like what year period was, This is.
Speaker 4: Like seventy seven, seventy seventy seven, even.
Speaker 1: Before like DJ culture was known to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was like because you know, going like said,
Speaker 4: my grandmother lived in Brooklyn, Long Island had DJs, But
Speaker 4: it was like you know, you're thinking of like it
Speaker 4: was like in the early days of like more disco,
Speaker 4: you know, and if breaks were played, it was disco breaks.
Speaker 4: And if any break existed back then, it was probably
Speaker 4: like Seron Looked for Love. That might have been seventy eight,
Speaker 4: but it was just disco breaks. Yeah, you had to
Speaker 4: get down and on stone. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So who were your gods and queens that you look
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 4: P DJ Jones It was probably like you know when
Speaker 4: you think of like, oh, you know, because it was
Speaker 4: more systems back then.
Speaker 5: Then get the respect that you know, the gods of
Speaker 5: the Bronx get because I hear even Tip speaks like
Speaker 5: DJ Jones was before all those guys.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, it depends on where you're from.
Speaker 4: You know, I think has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 4: You know, Tips from Queens. You know, I'm Long Island
Speaker 4: kind of Queens Brooklyn type thing. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: that was who we looked up to. And like I said,
Speaker 4: back then, it was more power than it was skilled.
Speaker 4: Had none of the skill was like, but it was
Speaker 4: power and records. So if you could blow somebody out
Speaker 4: and the speakers and you had records, oh what without
Speaker 4: a doubt with base bottoms and random stacked up amps.
Speaker 4: So how did you build How would you build your system?
Speaker 1: Oh, I just didn't. I did the opposite. I had
Speaker 1: to work on skill.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, it's still records equipment and
Speaker 4: didn't have the equipment and begged for people to get on.
Speaker 4: And so probably one of the first gigs I got
Speaker 4: on with a lot of people. I was probably in
Speaker 4: the seventh grade, and that was a friend of mine
Speaker 4: named Paul Carrey. They had a group called the Young
Speaker 4: Blood Crew, and that was in Long Island and I
Speaker 4: got on and I remember I was cutting what record
Speaker 4: was out? Was it seventh grade, eighth grade? It might
Speaker 4: have been Midnight Plane or Trouble Funk, I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what it was. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: lot of people. I was nervous, but I thought I
Speaker 4: was nice.
Speaker 1: Were you throwing on once you got on real turntables?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you get on real stuff, it's like whoa,
Speaker 4: It's like it's like driving a probably I would guess
Speaker 4: with a you go to a to a maserati, you
Speaker 4: know what, Like yeah, you know you're not like fighting
Speaker 4: fighting a steering you know, saying the breaks, you don't
Speaker 4: have to step one extra hard. Everything's like, because back
Speaker 4: then I was my friends had the eighteen hundreds, and
Speaker 4: I think before then it was the eleven hundred. A's
Speaker 4: the big doofy looking ones, right, yeah, but it was
Speaker 4: from that to the eighteen hundreds, and then all I
Speaker 4: could afford. Once I started getting turntables, I had a
Speaker 4: BSR and then eventually graduated to a B man, not
Speaker 4: one O one. I can't remember it was a B one,
Speaker 4: but it was the one with the strobe light that
Speaker 4: was on this the right hand side and the lower part.
Speaker 4: I think DST had the same ones. I'm nerding out
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: You no, no, no, no, no making me nerd out?
Speaker 1: Tell me more, yeah, djorn, I think I think it
Speaker 1: was a B ten.
Speaker 4: I think the turntables I can't remember exactly, but those
Speaker 4: were my first real like techniques.
Speaker 1: Now, were these teased?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Were these acquired? YEA blackout of seventy seven?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Did you have rich grandparents? I remember the black out
Speaker 4: of seventy seven because I was leaving Brooklyn and I've
Speaker 4: seeing the lightning bolt. The lightning came down and then
Speaker 4: everything blacked out and we was actually my grandmother's house
Speaker 4: in Brooklyn. So I wasn't there for all the festivities
Speaker 4: because I was going back to Long Island. But I
Speaker 4: got these things by and it's gonna sound cheesy to
Speaker 4: like a lot of kids nowadays, but you know I
Speaker 4: was taking apart bikes, putting them together and selling them,
Speaker 4: painting them, you know, shwins, you know. So that that
Speaker 4: was my thing. I was just everything was swapped back
Speaker 4: then you traded. You traded, trade until you trade it up,
Speaker 4: and you prayed for a decent birthday or Christmas or
Speaker 4: you know, And that's how I kind of it was
Speaker 4: piece by piece by piece by piece by piece by piece.
Speaker 4: Well that's hustling, yeah, yeah, and honest, yeah, I can't
Speaker 4: say that. You know, I was hugging. I was hugging
Speaker 4: the block, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: say that. I wish I could have that story. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: man came up what I'm saying. I had to leave
Speaker 1: it alone. Who's your first crew, my friend?
Speaker 4: I mean, when you had your first My first crew
Speaker 4: was in the I still got the shirt too. My
Speaker 4: first crew was in the sixth grade and it was
Speaker 4: my friend Charles and Mitchell Robinson who lived next door
Speaker 4: and I remember there was like, Yo, we're gonna make
Speaker 4: a crew and you're gonna be the DJ, and I'm
Speaker 4: like really And our crew was the ever Ready Crew. Yo.
Speaker 4: I still got the shirt is mad young and on
Speaker 4: the friend has a Yamaha motorcycle like dcal Yeah, because
Speaker 4: ironed the letters on the back, man, Yo, I got
Speaker 4: that jo. I need to post it. Once I got
Speaker 4: to stop being anti social media started posting stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah that was my first crew.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I remember we tried to make tapes and
Speaker 4: stuff for people and they were saying, this is horrible.
Speaker 1: Do you know you still those things?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have an early pause tape from probably about seventy
Speaker 4: eight that I still have. I played not too long ago.
Speaker 4: I was clean out my house and I found nice Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's horrible, but it was good back then.
Speaker 5: Back then, were you running with any of the contemporaries
Speaker 5: that you would later make music with decades later, Like
Speaker 5: you know, was was Daddy O coming up in the
Speaker 5: scenario during this period or well?
Speaker 4: I didn't meet Daddy until I joint Stetton probably like
Speaker 4: eighty three eighty four, But in Long Island, I knew
Speaker 4: Biz because Bis used to come up to my school.
Speaker 4: So we he's come out the house. We used to
Speaker 4: make tapes. So those tapes like which I had that
Speaker 4: was around when I was in eighth grade. He would
Speaker 4: so there's tapes of you and Buz marking making. There
Speaker 4: has to be somewhere there was cassettes. He's come over
Speaker 4: the house. He was polls cassette like all right, you know,
Speaker 4: he'd you know, meet me up at the high school
Speaker 4: and ambul High School and we you know.
Speaker 1: Y'all went to school together.
Speaker 4: He no, yeah, I don't man. Biz lived way out
Speaker 4: like in Quorum or something weird part of Long Island,
Speaker 4: and he would I don't know how he would magically
Speaker 4: end up in Amneville High School or there are there
Speaker 4: abouts and Wine Dance, which everybody know rock Him's from
Speaker 4: and and you know Chili Dog and all those guys,
Speaker 4: and so he would just end up at the schools
Speaker 4: and you're like, here's gonna make a tape, you know,
Speaker 4: and and y know to this day he'll tell you, man,
Speaker 4: I remember he came by my house. And this was
Speaker 4: the last time we made it, or supposedly made a tape.
Speaker 4: Was He's like yo, I was busy at the times, Like, yo,
Speaker 4: can I borre your records? I was like, what do
Speaker 4: you need?
Speaker 1: Give me Rocket in the Pocket God made me funky.
Speaker 1: It was some other record and he never brought it back.
Speaker 4: Oh really, Biz Marky and he took it to my
Speaker 4: man Divine's house. No, no, yeah, it's kidnamed DJ Divine
Speaker 4: and he uh yeah, and bis will Brandupton's day. He's like, yo,
Speaker 4: I know I got your records. I owe your Rocket
Speaker 4: the Pocket made me funky, and I can't remember that.
Speaker 5: He'll probably tell you the other records and these are
Speaker 5: the originales, not like the the the guy.
Speaker 4: Made me funky was original? No, they all were original, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because the Rock in the Pocket was the Atlantic, right
Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah man, I'm really getting upset. Let's get him.
Speaker 4: Regulars are worth money, man, what yo?
Speaker 7: Did you and Biz ever battle? Like like what we
Speaker 7: say Jonan and DC. But we know like Biz is
Speaker 7: like the king of the equips and going in and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Oh it's snapping up. Yeah, he was less snappy back then.
Speaker 4: You know you know what I remember, You know, I
Speaker 4: give a lot of credit to bisin and and I'll
Speaker 4: say this, and I told him. I'm very proud of him,
Speaker 4: and as we got older, it is because he was
Speaker 4: getting teased a lot, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: he would come to the school.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm he was always a character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was always Yeah, he didn't want to be.
Speaker 4: I mean as legend would have it. And people tell
Speaker 4: you Biz could tell you some good stories. What that
Speaker 4: has not changed? You know what I'm saying that his
Speaker 4: that's from from childhood. But you know a lot of that.
Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, kids would teasing, well, you
Speaker 4: suck this, you ain't that? And so when he made
Speaker 4: the vapors all that it to me, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that was his moment. Yeah, that that was it. It's
Speaker 4: like he did it like he he traveled outside of
Speaker 4: Long Island into like the Bronx, and he would come
Speaker 4: back with a he had a notepad of records. Yo,
Speaker 4: you got this record he had all written down. I
Speaker 4: guess like things he was flying out from other DJs.
Speaker 5: It never changes, it ship never changes with Biz. Right,
Speaker 5: He's still the same person. I got it still you
Speaker 5: do you do you believe his Mardy Gross story?
Speaker 4: What the what the Mary was it?
Speaker 1: The forty five without the bells on, without the bells
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 4: You know what's so weird? We just want to believe it.
Speaker 4: He mixes up with you know, falsity, he's with the reality.
Speaker 4: So it's it's so hard to kind of like it
Speaker 4: reminds me of an offense to what was that show
Speaker 4: that was on Netflix? Oh, get down to get down,
Speaker 4: like it was some random like magical crap with real stuff. Right,
Speaker 4: That's that's bit, you know what I'm saying, Like, he's
Speaker 4: that dude you gonna so you mix it up together
Speaker 4: and you don't know what it is. And then he
Speaker 4: will bring that record that Mighty Gras with no Belsie, like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I thought he was sorry telling But
Speaker 4: then he'll live out something else that's just so far
Speaker 4: that you might think it's true, but it's love.
Speaker 10: And then he get loud about it, like what you're saying,
Speaker 10: son is true.
Speaker 4: Somebody you ask ask quest love, ask him, Yes, you'll
Speaker 4: get him on. Call him right now, tell him, tell
Speaker 4: him what I got. Yes, you are nailing it on.
Speaker 4: I've noticed since I was what freaking fourteen, you know,
Speaker 4: I wanted to call him. Bus Ones came in to
Speaker 4: me once. Now I think of anything I've collected.
Speaker 1: I know soulitering the best, so you can't get me
Speaker 1: on no sultrying trivia whatsoever. And business is trying to
Speaker 1: convince me. Quest I got an episode of James Brown
Speaker 1: doing Funky President with the drum break extended in the
Speaker 1: beginning for like a minute before.
Speaker 4: He says funk.
Speaker 5: I got that question, and at some point you're just like,
Speaker 5: all right, okay, I believe quest I got that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that sounds about him speaking of soul training
Speaker 4: that that means you have the episode with Captain Sky
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 1: Yes I do. I remember I seen that one time
Speaker 1: when it came on.
Speaker 5: Yes I have, which is weird because he wasn't even
Speaker 5: introduced at the top of the show, so you wouldn't
Speaker 5: know that Captain Sky was on Soul Training. Who was
Speaker 5: Captain Scott super sperb oh supersperb oh okay god, but.
Speaker 4: He wasn't saying super sper no, hell no.
Speaker 1: Get away with that. Like part of me was like,
Speaker 1: it's so blatantly out there. Maybe like they spelled it
Speaker 1: sporm right, yeah, I thought some like uh, some spacey references, yo,
Speaker 1: Like that was a great.
Speaker 10: Thank you sir, I got you. I got you like
Speaker 10: that was great way for my sound face.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I'm sorry I had to sound effect.
Speaker 1: I let that blanqu up.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so.
Speaker 4: You said Sets the Sonic started.
Speaker 1: In eighty four.
Speaker 4: Well, I joined them around eighty probably end eighty three,
Speaker 4: eighty four, because I think I was in the I
Speaker 4: was in eleventh grade, I think, yeah, started eleventh grade.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in eleventh grade, so that was probably around eighty four,
Speaker 1: so they were already established.
Speaker 4: Yeah. When I met them. In the group was a
Speaker 4: guy named I think it's Grand Supreme Delight Daddy O
Speaker 4: and Wise had just joined the group a week before
Speaker 4: and they just had battled or some contests and the
Speaker 4: Mister Magic Rap Attack thing in Cony Island and they
Speaker 4: had won. And part of the deal, I think the
Speaker 4: prize was a record deal with sugar Hill. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: whoa and and you know apparently that didn't that didn't
Speaker 4: materialize out I'm like, damn, yeah, that was nothing part
Speaker 4: of part of the deal. And I met I met them,
Speaker 4: like I said, a week after that happened, and then
Speaker 4: became their DJ, which was which was amazing.
Speaker 5: Okay, So for those that are kind of underage that
Speaker 5: are listening to the show. It should be noted.
Speaker 10: I don't know what you meant when you said under age,
Speaker 10: because you're up there with us.
Speaker 4: I know you're not U.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just put it back down in her twenties. Anyway,
Speaker 5: for those that are listening, it's me noted that uh
Speaker 5: Paul was a member of Statsu Sonic, the very first
Speaker 5: noted hip hop band.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, now I first heard of you guys.
Speaker 5: Via Philly, where there was no Latin Quarter experience or
Speaker 5: anything of that nature, and Spin magazine, so I'm reading
Speaker 5: that you guys were banned. It's weird though, because even now,
Speaker 5: besides maybe the video for Nobs Allowed, that's the only
Speaker 5: visual I have of you guys being a band. Like
Speaker 5: it's did you guys not invest in camera equipment back
Speaker 5: in the day, like with your advanced Like I can't
Speaker 5: find one that's of Sonic performance on but everyone like
Speaker 5: Chuck d will swear to God that you had to
Speaker 5: have been there to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was certain, you know, Like, are there no
Speaker 4: performances on tape that you own? Or yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: have any because I remember the tour. Probably what Chuck
Speaker 4: d is talking about because I know when it was
Speaker 4: at the quarters, there weren't it wasn't set up for
Speaker 4: us to you know, have a drum kit and have
Speaker 4: you know, certain things. So it's usually like two turntables.
Speaker 4: But when we were on man was it the Deaf
Speaker 4: Jam Tour. I can't remember what tour, but at some
Speaker 4: point we were starting to travel like with the drum kit,
Speaker 4: DBC on the keys and me on the turntable. Wise
Speaker 4: on the human beat box. But you know, back then,
Speaker 4: especially being in an open and act, nobody wanted to
Speaker 4: like cater to having a band, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So so so you have a drum tech and no man,
Speaker 4: it was like, oh you got drums all because they
Speaker 4: used to just meant miney. Back then, DJs brought their
Speaker 4: own turntables. You brought there was no backline you know
Speaker 4: what brought everything. So it's like to bring it in
Speaker 4: and to have it set up and then go from
Speaker 4: place the place to place to place. They were like,
Speaker 4: this is this is not practical for us and you
Speaker 4: guys are only an opening band, you know group, So
Speaker 4: so we always had to kind of cut down. But
Speaker 4: in cases where we're able to have our whole setup.
Speaker 4: That's why you probably see anything. It was limited in
Speaker 4: that case because it was usually opening act. I remember
Speaker 4: on the Death Jamp tour was us in public Enemy
Speaker 4: opening up, you know, and we shared a bus together.
Speaker 4: That shows how how.
Speaker 1: You know it's a lot of.
Speaker 4: Hold twelve Ye look man, it was public adity and
Speaker 4: and stetisnic. I mean that's how much you know we were,
Speaker 4: you know, Katie are the small guys of course, you
Speaker 4: know you got lud Jadjy, Jeff Fresh Prince, you know
Speaker 4: ver b rock Hill. Yeah, you know in the case
Speaker 4: you run DMC, but you know productions would come in
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's like, oh man, it got the nice stuff.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's between the Yougo and the Masa Rot.
Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing what a couple of hit records
Speaker 4: will do. It definitely put you up the ladder the
Speaker 4: food chain slightly. So how do you how do you feel?
Speaker 4: The one thing that we've learned on the show is
Speaker 4: that this drum roll.
Speaker 1: Meant hydro chain. What oh man?
Speaker 5: That was like the according to everyone that's been on
Speaker 5: the show that was old enough to be at the
Speaker 5: Latin Quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that this was the national anthem for.
Speaker 4: The said it was three records this one and like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we get we get real violent in the Latin quarters.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I mean for that for ghost stats
Speaker 1: and who produced that?
Speaker 4: Actually it's well, it's going to be disputed. DBC came
Speaker 4: up with the concept. He had rank rank rank, you know,
Speaker 4: using open the tome zones, right, and then Daddy Oh
Speaker 4: came up with the idea of putting the live drums
Speaker 4: behind it. So it was a collaboration of those two gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Who is whose Go Brooklyn? Is that?
Speaker 5: Which is weird because it's like it's that's probably the
Speaker 5: most iconic part of that, I mean of the song.
Speaker 1: I mean besides the lyrics.
Speaker 8: And you know.
Speaker 4: Drums, yes, oh that's all of us. That's you know,
Speaker 4: so my voice isn't a lot of those random hip
Speaker 4: hop records somewhere buried underneath Go Brooklyn Brooklyn. So how
Speaker 4: do you edge your ideas? And you're.
Speaker 1: Like, are you giving a say?
Speaker 5: Or it's like six of you and I can imagine
Speaker 5: all right, you remember if you remember Torri's Brooklyn Prince
Speaker 5: when he spoke of okay, So Tory wrote a book
Speaker 5: on Prince. Yeah, I'm no, no, But I mean the
Speaker 5: one thing that you could really learn from that book
Speaker 5: was was how the generations work. And when Prince is
Speaker 5: opening for the Rolling Stones, he gets booed mercilessly because
Speaker 5: Prince a baby boomer born in nineteen fifty eight. Baby
Speaker 5: boomer is of course between like thirty eight to fifty
Speaker 5: eight sixty one give or take.
Speaker 4: That. Prince can't transuh.
Speaker 5: Translate his vision to baby boomers, but who have a
Speaker 5: better time doing it to generation next sixty one to
Speaker 5: eighty two.
Speaker 4: So I almost feel like in stets of Sonic, were
Speaker 4: you even? Because even.
Speaker 5: On Blood the album Yeah Bus but No Tears, there
Speaker 5: was a cut on side to h are you coming?
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah yeah, which was like would have been perfect
Speaker 1: on a Dailight soul record, kind of out of place
Speaker 1: on a stets of Sonic record. It's almost like your solo.
Speaker 4: Joint because you know, I made it in the student
Speaker 4: because we had extra time and I was being funny
Speaker 4: and they're like, yeah, just put on the record, Like
Speaker 4: are you sure all right? I'll do it? You know
Speaker 4: why not? Yeah? You know, no, the song is done
Speaker 4: and Paul's a sucker, and you know, there's a few
Speaker 4: other songs, right.
Speaker 5: And well, I'm saying that by that point, did you
Speaker 5: have more leverage, because it's like, well, Prince Paul, you
Speaker 5: know my producer, and.
Speaker 4: I think part of it a little bit is leverage,
Speaker 4: and not like it was onaned. Like I like my
Speaker 4: position and sets the sonic of being the DJ and
Speaker 4: producing some songs, and I like the idea of collaboration.
Speaker 1: When it's collaboration, you know what I'm saying, as opposed
Speaker 1: to kind of like.
Speaker 4: We're gonna take off some scratches and I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: this and you know that where it gets a little touchy,
Speaker 4: you know, but when we're all working together collectively as
Speaker 4: one mind and kind of making something. Those are the
Speaker 4: first two records, you know what I'm saying. Clearly, it's
Speaker 4: just started getting weird as the third record came around.
Speaker 4: And you know what's weird is like we never broke up,
Speaker 4: Like we just never we just stopped talking to each other,
Speaker 4: so it was never official breakup. It was just like,
Speaker 4: I mean, all the way from the eighties to now,
Speaker 4: with the exception maybe frou Kuan leaving the group, like
Speaker 4: we've never broke up, you know, it's just it's a
Speaker 4: question you just kind of just and they're still together. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we just kind of just drifted away. Yeah, then that's
Speaker 4: what it's been. But but the the just to answer that,
Speaker 4: how to get my say was Dayla soul. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying Like that was my ability to kind
Speaker 4: of really kind of do what I wanted to do,
Speaker 4: which was nice. It was nice.
Speaker 9: Daylight was the three feet High was eighty nine, right,
Speaker 9: And then I'm trying to just put together the time
Speaker 9: of that sonic when was I think eighty eighty right, okay?
Speaker 1: And the on Fire was eighty six eighty six? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I want to take a guess, because it's really
Speaker 1: not listed on the album. Did you produce TV see
Speaker 1: let the music play?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: No, DBC did that.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 5: Of course I wouldn't even figure that his own namesake
Speaker 5: would were producing.
Speaker 1: Did you do music for the step wee insane? Of course?
Speaker 4: You know what makes me mad as ship? Now this
Speaker 4: is gonna punch me.
Speaker 5: No, no, no no, this this goes out to Armine
Speaker 5: who owns all the Westbound stuff? Lady, Yeah, yeah, when
Speaker 5: the Atmosphere's sample from Funkadelic.
Speaker 4: Bernie Warrel can't beat him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now in the in the new.
Speaker 5: Like if you buy the reissued CD or you listen
Speaker 5: on on streaming, the first twenty seconds of that song
Speaker 5: is just cut off abruptly.
Speaker 4: Why did he do that?
Speaker 5: It basically starts off good evening and I'm like, where's
Speaker 5: the Yeah, that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: It's like nowhere to be found. Also, speaking of which,
Speaker 1: on three ft High and Rising, uh, what's more, starts
Speaker 1: off with pluck two. It doesn't start off with mercy, like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't start.
Speaker 5: Off there's three seconds clipped off of it.
Speaker 1: And also on Brain Wants to Be a Follower, it
Speaker 1: just starts with.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, it's just like you know, it's like the
Speaker 5: first five seconds of the song is just cut off
Speaker 5: and it just starts that way.
Speaker 4: Whoever was making the IDs didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 1: Or I'm just thinking that the tape was damaged or something.
Speaker 4: But even for what's more that they don't need to
Speaker 4: cut that off.
Speaker 1: I don't think they cut it off on purpose, Like
Speaker 1: obviously maybe somebody was paying attention exactly, so just make
Speaker 1: sure that you know, but you did music with the
Speaker 1: stepinitely insane, Yeah, Okay, did you do pen and paper?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I had the sequential Tom drum machines.
Speaker 1: I still have.
Speaker 4: I love that drum machine.
Speaker 1: So how were you with operating that equipment? Like are you.
Speaker 5: Was it just a learning process or I'm trying to
Speaker 5: find one person from that period that like actually read
Speaker 5: the man you want to know how to make drum beats?
Speaker 4: And oh no, you didn't read anything. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean for me, if you're thinking of the process
Speaker 4: was as soon as grand Master Flash had a beat
Speaker 4: box on Flash into the beat he said, oh my god,
Speaker 4: what is that?
Speaker 1: I gotta get one of those. And you can never
Speaker 1: get that one. So you got a rhythm machine.
Speaker 4: Then from a rhythm machine, so you find something else programmable,
Speaker 4: and you know, went on and on, and that was
Speaker 4: for me. You know, it's like my friend was selling
Speaker 4: a sequential Tom, which I couldn't afford a DX at
Speaker 4: the time or DMX at the time.
Speaker 1: I got that.
Speaker 4: It had to reverse button converse the drums, and you know,
Speaker 4: that was it. That's how I learned how to program.
Speaker 4: You know how drummers are, especially back then, it's like
Speaker 4: a car. I hate compare to the car. But you know,
Speaker 4: your lights are on one side in a car, but
Speaker 4: it's on a dash and another car. But it's the
Speaker 4: same function but in different places. So drum machines are
Speaker 4: technically all the same, but just different buttons and different locales.
Speaker 4: You know. So once you figured out one, you kind
Speaker 4: of figured out the other thing. And you might have
Speaker 4: to look at the mandal for one thing. Like there's
Speaker 4: no going to the YouTube, you know, just see the tutorial,
Speaker 4: you know, you had to, Like, man, somebody didn't know.
Speaker 4: You looked it up, you know, and you read it.
Speaker 5: Besides uh, well, speaking of equipment, besides uh, strictly, Dan ducky,
Speaker 5: did you ever use that Cassio SK one for anything?
Speaker 1: You used the school board crush? Oh we did?
Speaker 4: That was SK five, That was I think that was
Speaker 4: the upgraded versus. Yeah, I think Dave had that. That
Speaker 4: was that was I think that was Dave's keyboard. Yea,
Speaker 4: So did you.
Speaker 1: Guys use that for anything else?
Speaker 5: On because even on the MTV clip and I can
Speaker 5: see that SK five there, I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: they would us.
Speaker 4: That's like some shit I had. Yeah, I love that
Speaker 4: thing until it broke. Yeah, I still have it, man,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't work. Yeah, I think, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think once we got into the regular studio, you know,
Speaker 4: we kind of put that aside, you know, because then
Speaker 4: you're able to loop with MIDI, so that that kind
Speaker 4: of changed things. And and Simpty, which helped a whole lot.
Speaker 1: So let's go to Dayla.
Speaker 5: What was it about them that attracted you that you
Speaker 5: knew or did you know like, Okay, this is gonna
Speaker 5: be the next generation.
Speaker 4: Because I think we both thought out of the box.
Speaker 4: I think for me in Steti Sonic, which man, it
Speaker 4: is a blessing. It was my start and I learned
Speaker 4: everything from you know, I learned a lot from Daddy.
Speaker 4: Oh I won't lie about that, Like he's taught me
Speaker 4: a lot and.
Speaker 1: To have that.
Speaker 4: But I've always just made bizarre, quirky stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember p Fine I had his radio show rap this.
Speaker 4: I did this spoof one. It was during such a
Speaker 4: sonic time.
Speaker 7: It was a.
Speaker 4: Parody of What's Colt forty five Billy d Williams then,
Speaker 4: and so that was me being silly but didn't fit
Speaker 4: within stet Go Brooklyn. So I was always there, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm say Stephanie and say it's always there,
Speaker 4: so with daylight. How the way they rhymed and there,
Speaker 4: I guess the way they heard music was the way
Speaker 4: I heard music, and the way I you know, thought
Speaker 4: of like, Okay, this is entertaining, this is fun, is
Speaker 4: the way they thought of it. And I think for
Speaker 4: me with them, even though it was in them, my
Speaker 4: job was to bring it more out and make them
Speaker 4: more comfortable and embracing that being different, you know, say,
Speaker 4: like they were all magnative, like let's do it, do it,
Speaker 4: So why didn't you just join the group?
Speaker 1: Because I still consider you, like when it's rock and
Speaker 1: roll Hall of Fame time, to me, you're billy pressed
Speaker 1: and of it and really even the moment that without
Speaker 1: you and your ideas and your input, those albums wouldn't
Speaker 1: be what they were.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I mean it's
Speaker 4: it's a definitely collaborative effort. I mean I didn't join.
Speaker 4: I don't know like they always you know, I remember
Speaker 4: in those days, I was like, well you always considered
Speaker 4: like a member, you like plug for blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: but my whole thing and this is gonna be weird
Speaker 4: was instead to sonic. I felt like I couldn't be me,
Speaker 4: and so I was probably just doing the polar opposite
Speaker 4: of with day Ala. I was like, I want you
Speaker 4: guys be you. I'm gonna teach how to work the
Speaker 4: equipment after the first record, you're gonna make the next
Speaker 4: record on your own. I'm gonna teach you as much
Speaker 4: as I know you're gonna be able to be as
Speaker 4: creatively free as you possibly be. And that was my intention,
Speaker 4: you know, And part of that is is just looking
Speaker 4: from the outside, and nor did I know this record
Speaker 4: would be that successful. I would tell them when we're
Speaker 4: making it, you know we're gonna go goal right, because
Speaker 4: that was always you know we're gonna go but just
Speaker 4: to make you really you didn't really believe it. I
Speaker 4: didn't know what would happen. I mean, I remember Dave's
Speaker 4: brother Mike would go, you know, when we was making
Speaker 4: three ft High Rising, I don't know who's gonna like
Speaker 4: this record. It's really really.
Speaker 1: Bizarre and different, and he's like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: How did y'all meet each other in West Philly? Was
Speaker 9: the label the label Hookiller or how did you guys meet.
Speaker 4: Meet me and me and me. That's fair. I love
Speaker 4: telling the story. Uh, Macio, he's working with this dude
Speaker 4: named Gangster B who lived around our way, and he
Speaker 4: was making a record for mister Collins. Ever Collins, who
Speaker 4: was uh, was playing drums for the Ossi Brothers at
Speaker 4: the time, and mister Collins was also a music teacher
Speaker 4: at the junior High school Ameville, and he started this
Speaker 4: record label and his first artist on his label was
Speaker 4: Gangster B. And so Macio was Gangster B's DJ. I
Speaker 4: was the guy in the neighbor who made a record
Speaker 4: because I was with sets of sonics. So they asked
Speaker 4: me to program beat. And the beat I programmed was
Speaker 4: I had to sequential tom. It was a reverse beat.
Speaker 4: It sounded too much like like oh. And I was like,
Speaker 4: we can't do this. It's like do it. We can't.
Speaker 4: And that was the debate, and Masie could see me
Speaker 4: getting frustrated. He's like, yo, I have a group, and
Speaker 4: I think, you know, if whatever you want to do,
Speaker 4: we'll work with you. I was like, okay, good. He's like,
Speaker 4: I'll bring the tape by later in the day. It
Speaker 4: was a bad dad the next day and he brought
Speaker 4: by a real rough of Pluck Tunic, and my mind
Speaker 4: was blown.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was pre made.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, were you guys old enough or not
Speaker 1: that your children?
Speaker 5: Were you old enough to remember the name that sample
Speaker 5: contest that Tommy Boy had with pluck Tuning?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, Like I don't need.
Speaker 5: It's weird because they had a lot of Internet ideas,
Speaker 5: the viral ideas that were out before the Internet. But
Speaker 5: there would be like random stickers and the ads in
Speaker 5: occasional ride on sometimes in Billboard like name that sample,
Speaker 5: Like I think we were trying to.
Speaker 10: You gotta mail that in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like during the days of that death all right,
Speaker 1: raising who called that? I wanted to I was afraid
Speaker 1: of my father. Yeah, But I think the gem of
Speaker 1: it was that.
Speaker 5: I think they were trying to just pimp the fact
Speaker 5: that use the Liberachi sample in the beginning, because I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about the Midnight the Midnight Loop and the uh,
Speaker 5: what's the sample?
Speaker 4: I can't call I.
Speaker 1: Won't say.
Speaker 4: Your quest love you know everything.
Speaker 1: Music, it's brainfort time anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I thought that's what they were trying to
Speaker 5: allude to, and I was like, Liberachi. But then I
Speaker 5: realized at the beginning of the album version and now
Speaker 5: I want to reach back and man and all the
Speaker 5: world of music, like the intro right right right, which
Speaker 5: I thought in their way, like are they just trying
Speaker 5: to tell like white people like this group is real
Speaker 5: deep because there's a Liberaci.
Speaker 4: Let me take just quickly about that Liberachi sample. It
Speaker 4: was sequencing the record. I bet a place called Island
Speaker 4: Media and Long Island, and I was like, that's how
Speaker 4: I came up with the idea of putting the skits
Speaker 4: in between the songs. I was like, man, I got
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to link all these ideas
Speaker 4: and songs together. I think we made the skits and
Speaker 4: then they had a Liberachi cassette and I was like,
Speaker 4: can I see that? Can I play that? And I
Speaker 4: heard his voice like ooh, let's put that.
Speaker 1: In the beginning. It wasn't really that elaborative thought.
Speaker 4: It was just whatever. It's like, you know whatever. Those
Speaker 4: records were all m Guy Ford. It wasn't like it
Speaker 4: was like kind of sat there and we were just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna pre plan a lot of this live was like, okay,
Speaker 4: what's around us, let's look at that.
Speaker 1: Let me not take for granted.
Speaker 5: Also again for our listeners that are getting familiar with
Speaker 5: Prince Paul, I'll say that probably the contribution that he
Speaker 5: is really noted for in the world of production is
Speaker 5: really turning your listening experience into.
Speaker 1: I won't even say a.
Speaker 5: Three dimensional I don't know how to explain it, Like
Speaker 5: it was movies without visuals, Like you introduced the idea
Speaker 5: of sketches and skits experience, and you somehow found adhesives to.
Speaker 1: Glue all those songs together.
Speaker 5: Not to mention besides, I mean, I know that Public
Speaker 5: Enemy was the first to do interludes and have more
Speaker 5: than the traditional ten songs on the record, but you
Speaker 5: guys were going overboard with like twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 4: Four, twenty five, So that was by design that idea.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like you saw nation of millions like, oh,
Speaker 4: we can go past sixteen songs. You know what I did,
Speaker 4: It was this is the junior mar marketing brain of
Speaker 4: Paul at twenty or twenty one at the time.
Speaker 1: Was let's hear it.
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, you know what, everybody wants more
Speaker 4: bank for that buck. Even though these are little skits
Speaker 4: and all these other things. We're all label them as songs.
Speaker 4: So when you look on the back of that regular
Speaker 4: colic holy songs, I got that and that's the reason
Speaker 4: why I did just the bluck people out.
Speaker 5: And guess which dwead. This dwee right here was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, five jams. And that's weird because even
Speaker 5: even you know, the first three four Roots records are
Speaker 5: like up in the nineteenes and twenties. I'm you know,
Speaker 5: Rich was like, you know, dog, we got twelve songs.
Speaker 1: We're done. I'm like, no, man, we gotta have inelus.
Speaker 4: Give them more money, you know, like make bank for
Speaker 4: the fuck. You look at it as a consumer, You're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is all right, because records weren't cheat, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But the thing with the Daylight Records is that you
Speaker 5: really captured the teenage spirit of just I don't know
Speaker 5: what it was. It's like you want it to be there.
Speaker 5: It was almost like a documentary where like all those
Speaker 5: inside jokes that we didn't know, he has a bunch
Speaker 5: of them, and it became part of our slang we
Speaker 5: didn't know, and you gotta explain what Crocker means.
Speaker 4: But it's just how.
Speaker 5: How are you documenting this stuff because some of the
Speaker 5: stuff I can see like Okay, we're in the studio, okay,
Speaker 5: and press and then we start doing a skit, which
Speaker 5: is like, okay, well they're making a skit, but it
Speaker 5: sounds so natural of the moment, like shit like.
Speaker 4: Or even then oh yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 4: that's that. Yeah, that's all Dave Man skipped to loot.
Speaker 5: So you would just keep a cassette running and live
Speaker 5: MIC's were always in the studio and because some of
Speaker 5: that stuff just sounds like it was just of the
Speaker 5: moment and there's no way to recreate this stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's what it is. It's like I say, record everything,
Speaker 4: keep every thing, you know what I'm saying, even though
Speaker 4: tape was expensive at the time, but a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff was either after the song went off or before
Speaker 4: the song came on those moments. So for Daylight so
Speaker 4: was dead.
Speaker 5: Did you guys just have accessible h slick Rick, I
Speaker 5: can't be your lover like just on standby in case,
Speaker 5: like you know, even now I'll have like sound effects, yeah,
Speaker 5: like who had that stuff on standby.
Speaker 1: To just it was just you know, you ever have
Speaker 1: like within your group of friends a joke that just
Speaker 1: won't die, you know. Yeah, it's called quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's all it is is just take
Speaker 1: it at you know, the one joke that won't die
Speaker 1: and just keeping it on deck, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like eventually, some point you're gonna have to unplug the
Speaker 1: drum machine, like at the beginning of the day, are
Speaker 1: you like, Okay, let me cue up that slick rick
Speaker 1: and play some funny shit happens and keep the tape rolling.
Speaker 4: And no, that's was. Yeah, it's kind and honestly, I
Speaker 4: don't even I can't even tell you what the thought
Speaker 4: is behind. It's just being dumb, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's not even like I can't even like sit and say,
Speaker 4: well I thought of it was just like look at this. Okay, Paul,
Speaker 4: that's enough. That's that's that's not funny. But listen, which
Speaker 4: I'm still like that to this very day, which I
Speaker 4: think eventually caused our demise and not working. That's to
Speaker 4: be honest, man, Like you know they grew up. I didn't.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm still the same twenty one year old kid,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: But it's exactly it's the way it was. You know,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention Bob Power.
Speaker 5: I can assume that working with him on the step record,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Bob, that you instantly brought him aboard to
Speaker 5: work with you on the daylight stuff.
Speaker 4: Where this is how it worked back in those days,
Speaker 4: was you go to the studio and oh, I'm doing
Speaker 4: your session today. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then eventually it would go someone that Tommy Boy
Speaker 1: like just.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's whoever, yeah, where was there at calliope,
Speaker 4: who's ever working at the time, would do whatever that
Speaker 4: session was. And then usually if it's an engineer who
Speaker 4: likes what you do, they'll they'll stick around. They'll go, oh, man,
Speaker 4: I like this, I want to come to the next one.
Speaker 4: You know, if my schedule permits, I'm gonna do your
Speaker 4: next session.
Speaker 5: So it was never you know, you were thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this guy has such a forward thinking, sonic genius about him,
Speaker 5: and we must have him on this record for it.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously there's engineers that some were better than others,
Speaker 4: but you know, when you're paying forty dollars an hour,
Speaker 4: he's just trying to get whoever could get the job
Speaker 4: done at the time. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, the brains of Bob Power is evident because
Speaker 4: you know you work with him, obviously, and I tried
Speaker 4: to learn as much as I could from him. I
Speaker 4: remember when I wasn't set to Sonic. He might not
Speaker 4: remember this, but I was taking audio engineering at the time,
Speaker 4: and and I would just sit there and just watch him,
Speaker 4: like closely.
Speaker 1: And he looked at me.
Speaker 4: He looked at said, you never learned anything by watching me.
Speaker 4: Very disheartening. So which made me, in a sense, go,
Speaker 4: I'll show you. Of course, I'm not never as nice
Speaker 4: as Bob Power, but it was incentive, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And yeah, he came aboard like a lot
Speaker 4: of the other projects, you know, along with my Manscottie Hart,
Speaker 4: and there's a few other people, okay, and Sue in
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 1: Sue Sue in the house right right right. Oh, she
Speaker 1: was an assistant engineer.
Speaker 4: She she was like, I don't know, it's like whoever
Speaker 4: was there. It's like I'm the engineer, Like, okay, you know,
Speaker 4: never had a female engineer before. But hey, man, you're
Speaker 4: you're on the payrolls. Get done.
Speaker 5: See an hour two princes working with two female engineers.
Speaker 5: See how in God's name did you record that record
Speaker 5: for under twenty five thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: Which one three feet high and rising?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's called taking that that that shift from twelve
Speaker 4: to four in the morning at the studio when the
Speaker 4: when it's thirty dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's called buying your own
Speaker 1: reel of reels, which when you buy.
Speaker 4: Studios like what one hundred and fifty bucks, you buy
Speaker 4: it at the at the tape spot for like one
Speaker 4: hundred bucks. Use sometimes you don't use ampegs, use ag
Speaker 4: for you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You find ways to serious man, there's other.
Speaker 10: Real wait, real dummy question.
Speaker 7: When you get that you said twenty five thousand, right, yes,
Speaker 7: when you get that twenty five, that's your twenty five
Speaker 7: to make the album. It doesn't have to spread to
Speaker 7: anybody else as well.
Speaker 4: That's how we the entire budget.
Speaker 10: That that's us, That's what I'm trying to understand.
Speaker 1: It just being paid, that's us using studio. That's whatever's left.
Speaker 5: I'm sure this episode the question of Supreme course about
Speaker 5: twenty five thousands.
Speaker 10: I need a raise. But wait, so that means that
Speaker 10: like y'all had to eat off of that too as well.
Speaker 4: That's why you worked regularly jobs. You see how skinny is. Wait,
Speaker 4: do you have a regular job while you're doing this? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean all through such a sonic. I was in college,
Speaker 4: I had a part time job. Yeah, I worked through everything. Man.
Speaker 4: You know it's because you know, I looked at it,
Speaker 4: at least me personally, like fat boys run DMC, like
Speaker 4: you know, this was ANLL.
Speaker 1: Those guys would make money.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it as for fun as a hobby,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I love music.
Speaker 1: Whatever comes out comes out.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna take civil services to become a postman
Speaker 4: at some point, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's
Speaker 4: the reality of it. So it just so happened that
Speaker 4: my passion and probably I'm thinking because I didn't take
Speaker 4: it as serious as a lot of my contemporaries is.
Speaker 4: I just had a lot of fun with it, which
Speaker 4: kept it open, helped me be more creative, because I
Speaker 4: think if I was thinking of marketing and like you're
Speaker 4: just gonna bump into clubs, You're just gonna do this,
Speaker 4: it would have really restricted what I did.
Speaker 1: But I was just like, whatever, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: work with regular job anyway.
Speaker 4: Record that whatever, Yeah, little Roch, just know that is
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I gotta get up and
Speaker 4: go to work. See you think about the end of
Speaker 4: three f on rising that you'll just I'll get it
Speaker 4: jobs some wearing. I mean that's what I thought. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, even when the record came out, Okay, it
Speaker 4: was starting to gain some traction and all of a sudden, Wow,
Speaker 4: it was just cool and it just got to a
Speaker 4: point where it wasn't until not that record, but other
Speaker 4: work started coming in from me when I was like, man,
Speaker 4: I can't go work at I was working at a
Speaker 4: place called General Accident, which was which insurance company. It
Speaker 4: was an insurance company, insurance company. It was an insurance company.
Speaker 4: I was I just got I just graduated college, and
Speaker 4: I was in between those things. I remember I had
Speaker 4: bosses tell me, you know, I got called into it
Speaker 4: all this one time. I was I was working at
Speaker 4: a place that we uh, I was doing soldering. I
Speaker 4: was doing electrical boards because I took electronics in school,
Speaker 4: and so he called me.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I heard you doing this music thing.
Speaker 4: You have a choice. Paul could be here every day
Speaker 4: on time and be a part of our company and
Speaker 4: our growing family.
Speaker 1: We can follow this music dream that you're thinking about.
Speaker 2: We here a general accident.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 4: This was before General Accident, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I quit and I just kept it pushing, which was
Speaker 4: kind of rough because I need that money. It was
Speaker 4: a good job. I was paying like six dollars an hour.
Speaker 4: You know, it was good at the time.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 10: What was the record that changed your thoughts? Your thoughts
Speaker 10: on that?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, oh oh, I skipped the story as soon
Speaker 4: as work started coming in after three feet High Rise,
Speaker 4: and was when I was like, yo, I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to take a leap of absence for maybe like a
Speaker 4: year and kind of ride this thing and produce.
Speaker 1: See what happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was Third Base and Big Daddy Kane and
Speaker 4: Queen Latifolds. Things started to really come in, and you know,
Speaker 4: and then Russell went become a manager and him and
Speaker 4: lyor so that that changed things. Like maybe two years,
Speaker 4: I'll go back and work.
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus Christ, I forgot about Resident Mother Dodo Man Records.
Speaker 5: I totally forgot.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: So at the time when quote we hate the song
Speaker 5: end quote becomes like a force to reckon with.
Speaker 1: Are you guys just be honest? Man, weren't you? Were
Speaker 1: you guys happy?
Speaker 5: Because I know this, I know the perception, and sometimes
Speaker 5: when you know there's there's thoughts on on.
Speaker 4: Dave's whole whole uh jaded. I got love David.
Speaker 1: It's weird though, because for me, Dave, true boy, Dave
Speaker 1: was like, in my mind, he was the the utopian
Speaker 1: peace child, like he was the original.
Speaker 4: Qu first face.
Speaker 10: Perception.
Speaker 4: I know this now, but well, actually Mason Pie punched
Speaker 4: in the face and and then David.
Speaker 5: Well, it's just that based on seeing the album cover
Speaker 5: like this is for me who never knew who you
Speaker 5: guys were. I was working at sam Goodies and this
Speaker 5: record comes.
Speaker 4: In dream job. Whish i'd Sam good change in my life.
Speaker 1: I think I got fired for stealing three f.
Speaker 4: Ris jury is still out.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm just saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: to see where we thought they were marketing and I
Speaker 1: felt for that marketing hook line and sinker to where
Speaker 1: they are now, which I don't know, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 5: What was their initial response to Me Myself and I.
Speaker 5: Was it like, oh shit, this is just number one.
Speaker 5: Was there was there a hug? Was there a smile?
Speaker 4: In order to answer that question, I have to kind
Speaker 4: of go back a little bit and say that Me
Speaker 4: Myself and I was the last song on that album,
Speaker 4: and it was prompted by Tom Suliman because he's like, yo.
Speaker 1: This record, this album is good.
Speaker 4: We just need a radio record.
Speaker 1: So automatically that prompted disdain from them, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Like what we radio record? We got everything.
Speaker 4: And that's when me and Mace sat it down and
Speaker 4: we did the music for Me Myself and I. Because
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, just catchy song, knee deep rock funk,
Speaker 4: DELK fan for life. We put it together. You know,
Speaker 4: they're like, all right, we're gonna take the rom style
Speaker 4: from Black as Black. This is Black as Black, It's
Speaker 4: black and Man record today. We're gonna do that Rohm style.
Speaker 1: Put it over that song. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: here you go to make Tom Suliman happy.
Speaker 4: Then it's a boo So that's why they hate this song.
Speaker 4: It was like, ah, we's kind of forced do this record.
Speaker 4: We have saw a big record, But how did that happen?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? It was the trick of
Speaker 4: the devil, like Twilight song me, I love the record, like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, cause I'm all a Funkadelics fan and
Speaker 4: me and Way Me and Maysy Will put it together.
Speaker 4: It was just like we did it quick.
Speaker 1: It was dope.
Speaker 7: But how dope is that that you made a record
Speaker 7: like he requested it and you made the exact thing
Speaker 7: he requested it and it was a hit, Because that's
Speaker 7: a hard process, like do you understand what a radio
Speaker 7: hit is?
Speaker 5: And plus it really wasn't established in a hip hop
Speaker 5: back in eighty eight eighty nine.
Speaker 4: Back then, like hip hop just discovered.
Speaker 5: And you know because three ft Ninred came out well
Speaker 5: January of eighty nine, so really you're talking to eighty eight.
Speaker 5: There really wasn't any thing like oh if I take
Speaker 5: this obvious thing from ten years ago and resell it,
Speaker 5: it'll work like that.
Speaker 10: That didn't be like Puffy that was the formula.
Speaker 5: I mean, I would still think that even I hear it.
Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't like thinking like cynical, like oh,
Speaker 5: they're using this obvious shit like.
Speaker 4: It ain't a chick singing the hook well to Daylight.
Speaker 4: It was obvious and one thing you gotta unerstand abou daylight.
Speaker 4: And they might disagree with this, but I think it's
Speaker 4: part of the beauty and part of their artistry. Especially
Speaker 4: back then, there was a sense of arrogance, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, we're gonna do this
Speaker 4: this record. Oh god, everybody knows this, you know. It's
Speaker 4: just and that was kind of swept throughout all the
Speaker 4: native tongue, and that was the beauty of it. It
Speaker 4: was there was a certain arrogance to like, you do this,
Speaker 4: but we do this thing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And that was part of it. That's why, you know,
Speaker 4: even though you know it was too obvious for them,
Speaker 4: you know, even though like say, no going certain songs
Speaker 4: here and there are obvious things, but that was just way.
Speaker 5: Was that my thought or was it like I thought
Speaker 5: you guys were just being clever shit and like, oh damn,
Speaker 5: you can rhyme over.
Speaker 1: I can't go for that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, that that that was part of that
Speaker 4: was a record I had. And then other part that
Speaker 4: that with his face merce had put together pass had
Speaker 4: put together. It was his idea.
Speaker 5: Wait, I gotta ask some about say, were you the
Speaker 5: the anchor of saying no go? Because I have a
Speaker 5: production question. As far as I know, there's not an
Speaker 5: instrumental of I can't go for that out there yet.
Speaker 5: The part that you guys rhymed over would be the
Speaker 5: verse of I can't go for that, which has Daryl
Speaker 5: Hall singing on top of it. Where in the hell
Speaker 5: did you find four bars of do do do?
Speaker 4: Do? Do?
Speaker 7: Do?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 7: Do?
Speaker 1: Do do No? That's the hook, you know, when.
Speaker 5: They say over the time, there's four bars of that
Speaker 5: that are clear that I can't find nowhere.
Speaker 4: And figuration you'd have to ask post that I'm gonna
Speaker 4: pass the buck and and and there's a there's a
Speaker 4: one two things on there at that if I disclose,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be they're gonna come after me. Doubt that
Speaker 4: thirty years later they're all, oh, trust me, they still
Speaker 4: come in trust.
Speaker 10: Me, I'm sure especially so you still get But then
Speaker 10: the pot that the.
Speaker 5: Reason Okay, well, you can choose not to answer this question,
Speaker 5: which is part two, Like, but I meant so, were
Speaker 5: you just doing this Google?
Speaker 4: I so like throw this in there, throw this and then,
Speaker 4: because like that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 5: But crossword puzzle mixes so brilliantly with it, Like it's
Speaker 5: rare to find two melodic samples that are the same
Speaker 5: bp ms that also.
Speaker 1: Mixed together. Like I'll say that, say no, go if.
Speaker 5: Those who are familiar with my DJ and style and
Speaker 5: the fact that I mix songs in the same key
Speaker 5: with each other and all that stuff, like you're doing
Speaker 5: forward thinking there where it's like crossword puzzle. Okay, I'm
Speaker 5: using nerdy references whatever. Yes, well, I didn't want to
Speaker 5: call out Michael Jackson's a TV guards but thank you
Speaker 5: boss books.
Speaker 1: They can get on who sample dot Com look at. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But which is which I might say, is it's somewhat
Speaker 4: inaccurate at times, just some things I seen and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's not that. Oh yeah, I don't let it be
Speaker 4: wrong though, but I don't want to debate it because
Speaker 4: then just be quiet. I really use this, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just this Beetles sample. Sometimes you gotta just you know,
Speaker 4: let it up.
Speaker 1: But it's well, okay again I'm thinking that you're like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: let me use something that's in the relative minor of
Speaker 1: something that major kid, right, that's what Okay, just cut
Speaker 1: me off there.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking too much. You just thought this was dope
Speaker 5: and let me mix it in there and what we
Speaker 5: did and it was beautiful.
Speaker 4: Man. I really miss those days. Is everybody had their
Speaker 4: little record collection and we go in and we add stuff. Oh,
Speaker 4: I think I have something to go with. Some part
Speaker 4: of it was by ear and that, you know, okay,
Speaker 4: and knowing your record collection and knowing parts and and
Speaker 4: you know, coming through records, and the other part of
Speaker 4: it is which nobody was doing back then. We was
Speaker 4: was pitch shifting.
Speaker 5: What was going to lead to My third question was
Speaker 5: that you were also some of those samples had to
Speaker 5: be readjusted leading to the original Buddy yeah, the Commodore
Speaker 5: shit and mix it with the the bo Deadley shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, were you using that Yamaha, I know, the Yamaha
Speaker 1: thing out of Pitch.
Speaker 4: Shifter ESBX ninety I think it was. It was called
Speaker 4: SBX ninety. Yes, yeah, it was pitch shifting on that
Speaker 4: and resampling it and yeah, and taking it and kind
Speaker 4: of because you know, the thing is we want We
Speaker 4: knew it worked melodically, but it just didn't work in
Speaker 4: the right key, and a lot of it was just
Speaker 4: hitting the button. All right, that's right, and it was
Speaker 4: good sometimes having an engineer who had a musical background,
Speaker 4: he could go, well, I think it's in a genie
Speaker 4: minor with it, but.
Speaker 5: All right, can I just take six seconds of silence
Speaker 5: just to breathe? So all right, SBX ninety, thank you.
Speaker 4: But the thing, but the thing is, you know, part
Speaker 4: of the arrogance that I'll go back to that is
Speaker 4: that we actually thought, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just going soop up this fun you know,
Speaker 4: drum break, which works, and that's hip hop, but we
Speaker 4: just took it to another let's pitch shift, let's do this,
Speaker 4: let's you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's really thought about. Punius though, that's not arrogance,
Speaker 1: you know, at least.
Speaker 4: You know, like I said, when I went to the studio,
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, if we're gonna do it, let's
Speaker 4: just let's just do it. Let's just whatever imagination goes.
Speaker 4: That's where the limit is, and that's where we took it.
Speaker 5: See it speaks to me because usually beat makers after
Speaker 5: the three feet high, after the Nation of millions, three
Speaker 5: fig and Paul's boutique generation sees that, oh, sampling could
Speaker 5: go anywhere, then like a lot of us will recreate
Speaker 5: that stuff. When we first get drum scenes and I
Speaker 5: was like, wait, why is my ship blending like their ship?
Speaker 5: And then I'm suddenly realizing that you guys were pitched.
Speaker 5: I would ask engineers like, why isn't this the same key?
Speaker 5: And now I'm realizing that you were a pitch shifting
Speaker 5: the beauty of technology.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, we learned a lot of things in the
Speaker 1: studio and I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: As a producer, I would go in there and because
Speaker 4: I think I feel like I'm like a coach, right,
Speaker 4: I had to go in and team riled up. We
Speaker 4: got with the Pistons and we gotta beat the Lakers.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I don't know how we're
Speaker 4: gonna do it. We're gonna figure it out. So I'm
Speaker 4: getting them all amped up. But in the process I'm learning,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, yeah, Paul, can we do Yeah, we
Speaker 4: could do it? How do I do that?
Speaker 1: Who's the bad guy?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: And that I just didn't have to figure it out
Speaker 1: who's the bad guy?
Speaker 5: Cause if like if someone's like, yo, you know it
Speaker 5: really sound dope, funcky drummer like, and like, are you
Speaker 5: the final word on at least for three feet?
Speaker 1: Are you the final word?
Speaker 4: And says, I don't know if this goes together with that,
Speaker 4: and we can't. You know what the final word is,
Speaker 4: put put it in there and if it works, it works.
Speaker 4: If it don't, it don't, And I live. That's how
Speaker 4: my production style has been from that point on. You know,
Speaker 4: It's like, even if you don't like an idea, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know until I hear it. It might not
Speaker 4: sound right in my head, and I can dispute it,
Speaker 4: but we can really argue. When there's the one and
Speaker 4: it's whack, it's without question.
Speaker 5: Can you give me an example of a song of which,
Speaker 5: like either Pasa or Dave or Mace was like, Yo,
Speaker 5: this shouldn't work, and then like you just let them
Speaker 5: hang themselves with their own rope?
Speaker 4: Man, I can't not offhand. I could tell you some
Speaker 4: things I put in that was black that I was like,
Speaker 4: that's not working. Was the beginning of plug tuning. It
Speaker 4: was like, hey god, it was recently it was going yo.
Speaker 4: Man principle Paul plugs in and give us a hype effect,
Speaker 4: and I go, yeah, let's try this. It corny, But
Speaker 4: after we recorded played it, it was good. In my head.
Speaker 1: It was like I were good man and we edited
Speaker 1: it down. So you have to audition ideas in front
Speaker 1: of a jury. I mean, that's so hard. It's not
Speaker 1: even in front of a jury.
Speaker 4: It's just like and just it harks back to steto
Speaker 4: sonic like and and low offense to the guys. But
Speaker 4: it was a learning process. Let's do nah, let's do nah.
Speaker 4: I'm like, when I get my own group, we're gonna
Speaker 4: put everything in there. You'll see, all right. So, like
Speaker 4: I said, it was the polar opposite whatever I did. Instead,
Speaker 4: I want to just the hard core opposite in this group.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna treat them differently. And that's what I did.
Speaker 4: Let's put everything in there, put in there.
Speaker 1: Which leads to day Soul is Dead.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I actually think that's the better record of their Cannon.
Speaker 5: I mean, for me personally, that's my favorite one. That
Speaker 5: that album made my career.
Speaker 4: Wow, like that was.
Speaker 5: I Mean, I've had many a moment where it's like stop,
Speaker 5: stop your heart in its tracks and you stop what
Speaker 5: you're doing and you sit and you listen to it.
Speaker 5: But I mean, nothing will ever beat the Sunday that
Speaker 5: Jason Brown and I cut church to sit in his
Speaker 5: dad's card to listen to that record from Start the Fire.
Speaker 4: That means, I mean I saw my Lord.
Speaker 1: One that.
Speaker 5: Two Things one heavily bootleg before it came out. Everyone
Speaker 5: seemed to have a copy of this record before it
Speaker 5: came out. But you know, for people to talk about
Speaker 5: the darkness of it, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I think it's even more humor, more zanier, more funny,
Speaker 1: more samples, more creative. I mean, for God's sakes, you
Speaker 1: guys got the cover Rolling Stone for this record.
Speaker 4: So it's like that was a tough record though, man,
Speaker 4: and I say, you don't have good times than thinking
Speaker 4: about it? No, No, I mean it was all my
Speaker 4: Daylight Records to have their own experiences and was fun,
Speaker 4: you know. But I think in the sense of that man,
Speaker 4: after those guys won their first tour and they got
Speaker 4: you know, because all of a sudden, everybody beating everybody up,
Speaker 4: you guys, it went from like from zero to one
Speaker 4: hundred for them, like black you know, they were like
Speaker 4: you know, platoons Q powers Q also like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you know you just got this number one record all
Speaker 4: around the world.
Speaker 5: How did you feel about that? Which you never answered
Speaker 5: that question. What was the feeling once you guys went platinum?
Speaker 4: And uh, it was like whoa, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Everything moves so quick. It's like you don't have time
Speaker 4: to really acknowledge it because all it is is more
Speaker 4: work coming in.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was when time sit back and just really think about,
Speaker 4: eh man, I made it. You know, it's it's like whoa, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's to keep it pushing, you know. And I think
Speaker 4: for them, it was just a lot of pressure, you know,
Speaker 4: be here, be there, do this interview, do this.
Speaker 1: We need more daisies around you, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And the more that was pushed upon them, the more
Speaker 4: they rebelled and the more they got like what das
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 1: So it by the time the second record.
Speaker 4: Came around, I remember I remember, you know, being at
Speaker 4: meetings with the label with Tommy Boy and Dave and
Speaker 4: and Pas going, you know, the label say why don't
Speaker 4: you do whatever? No, no, we'll just quit, We'll quit
Speaker 4: what like it was like quit, you can't quit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll quit.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that, We'll just quit, which was.
Speaker 4: Which was just you know, it was just they were
Speaker 4: just angry, you know what I'm saying, and and understandably
Speaker 4: so like you know, I guess just seeing I guess
Speaker 4: one getting used to the demands, you know, having a
Speaker 4: label push certain ideas on them. I guess the expectations
Speaker 4: of now the world's expecting so much. They had to
Speaker 4: build up their their show because remember, I don't know,
Speaker 4: in the earlier shows they weren't as received.
Speaker 1: It's like nowadays, wait to come out.
Speaker 4: It was like people like you're showin' good as that record,
Speaker 4: they were getting booed. I mean in some places, you know,
Speaker 4: they had to build up, so it would like said,
Speaker 4: it was a lot quick for them to kind of
Speaker 4: catch up to. So by the time the second record
Speaker 4: came around, you know, you know, beating up people in
Speaker 4: the records, it was you know, it was a ring
Speaker 4: ring rig, it was you know, it was a lot
Speaker 4: of that vibe. But the part that I really respect
Speaker 4: about it is they it was still creative because what
Speaker 4: they were going through, they didn't like you know, they
Speaker 4: wrote about whatever they were dealing with.
Speaker 1: And I tried to and I try to make it happy.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: My thing was like, all right, guys, I understand you.
Speaker 4: Let me let me sprinkle some of this on top
Speaker 4: of it to kind of give it this kind of
Speaker 4: so it's like evil.
Speaker 5: So if you weren't there, how dark could they saw
Speaker 5: as dead have gotten if you weren't really.
Speaker 4: Throwing in the silly Yeah, I think I don't know, honest, No, no, no, not.
Speaker 5: So like but he's gonna b K lounge like how
Speaker 5: like whose idea? Like where's the where's the where's the genesism?
Speaker 4: Man? That I have to give them the credit for
Speaker 4: that because of piecing together all the different music and stuff.
Speaker 4: But it it was just man, like I said, we
Speaker 4: would sit down and talk during that time, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'd hear all stories about the road and just and
Speaker 4: be like, oh, now, mind you you're you're arrogant to
Speaker 4: begin with.
Speaker 1: Now through all the fame and all like the really
Speaker 1: you really want me to do this?
Speaker 4: You really? You know, just like when they had that
Speaker 4: sign you're pissing us off with your photos or whatever
Speaker 4: that that you know right right right there with that guy.
Speaker 4: You've seen him out the Grammy's first grade, just like right, smirking,
Speaker 4: like why we're here, that's them, you.
Speaker 5: Know, do you think it's it's the guilt of not
Speaker 5: wanting to look like they're enjoy it. I always figure
Speaker 5: that there's a judge and jury in the head. And
Speaker 5: usually again with most with the smart end of Black culture,
Speaker 5: especially with the music is concerned, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: overthinking and usually that turns into sabotage and next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, it's fifteen years before your next comes out
Speaker 5: and all this other stuff. So well, yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: I don't need to name names. Just think of who's
Speaker 5: not released the record between eight to fifteen years. That's
Speaker 5: because they don't have a Prince Paul, right, they don't
Speaker 5: have a that's not named Shy. That's because there's no
Speaker 5: Prince Paul in their lives to say, like, you're overthinking.
Speaker 4: It, just you know, just do whatever you feel is right.
Speaker 4: Whatever I always say, your first thought is your God thought.
Speaker 4: You know, everything else beyond that is you just analyzing
Speaker 4: and taking external things to be learned to add to it.
Speaker 4: So whatever you feel is is the right thing that
Speaker 4: even goes with gut instinct, you know. So that's how
Speaker 4: I make music. First thought is the right thought, Let's
Speaker 4: record it. That's why a lot of times usually the
Speaker 4: first take is, yo, that was it. You took something,
Speaker 4: somebody tried to recreate it, and like you might know
Speaker 4: the rhyme a little better, but that feel on that
Speaker 4: first one was the right feel.
Speaker 1: Copy that field, but know the rhyme, the words, yeah,
Speaker 1: other words? Did you ever?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: I was I was thinking to myself, I said, they
Speaker 7: were the first ones to kind of fight that earthy box.
Speaker 1: In my mind, like, you know, they invented it too,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 10: So that's the weird part.
Speaker 4: It's like, why was dead right to build it and destroy?
Speaker 4: But I mean to to answer, I say that y'all
Speaker 4: weren't fooling anybody, but okay, But to answer your question,
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I can't really answer for for them,
Speaker 4: but as I see it is they just I don't know,
Speaker 4: they just had a musical standard and what they thought
Speaker 4: was corny was not corny, and they just so rebelled
Speaker 4: not being that typical who they deemed as a corny artist,
Speaker 4: you know, and things that just seemed I mean almost
Speaker 4: almost to the point where I think it worked against
Speaker 4: them because I you know, from what I remember, they
Speaker 4: had a lot of offers for a lot of commercial things.
Speaker 4: You know, I would have gave them a good amount
Speaker 4: of money, but it's like, okay, so PEPSI yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know, like what, yeah, look, we was gonna our
Speaker 4: first deal.
Speaker 1: Our offers.
Speaker 4: We had one with Profile, Tommy Boy and and Geffen.
Speaker 4: Geffen was offering us the most amount of money, and
Speaker 4: it was just it was the beginning of Geffen and
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, as signed with Geffen. I'm worry
Speaker 4: with Tommy Boy, I don't know about them. You know
Speaker 4: Profile they did, they were about to release it takes two.
Speaker 4: It was like I remember we went to the office.
Speaker 4: It's like, yo, we just signed this guy, Rob Base,
Speaker 4: who do you think your song? Oh my god, it's great.
Speaker 4: We're gonna sign your song. Plug Tuning offering us more
Speaker 4: money Geffen. I think I think Man, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 4: Profile was like five or ten grand for like one song.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: Man Geffen was something like forty grand.
Speaker 1: It was just something dumb, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And Tommy Boy was.
Speaker 10: It would pay the song right there.
Speaker 4: This was talking about I'm talking about single. Now you're
Speaker 4: talking about album. Oh you know, and you know, Tim,
Speaker 4: we'll give you what we can get you. You know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But they liked the vibe
Speaker 4: of Tommy Boy because it seemed more real to them,
Speaker 4: like they were into the music and into which ultimately
Speaker 4: turned to be the right thing anyway, because then, who know,
Speaker 4: if we went a play offs, it might have had
Speaker 4: the same impact.
Speaker 1: You would have been the roots.
Speaker 4: So you know it h it all. It all kind
Speaker 4: of kind of worked out. But yeah, I mean I
Speaker 4: think it's you know, we're keeping it real goes wrong.
Speaker 5: Even though I have a gazillion questions about Dayla soulds Dad,
Speaker 5: we gotta, we gotta move.
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask, did you.
Speaker 4: Have any clue that your swan song with them would
Speaker 4: be Blue Mind State? You know Blue Mindstates when old
Speaker 4: comedians seem to like that's how I got like more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like Chris Rock and I will still have these arguments,
Speaker 5: like he still swears that's like in his top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Part of me is a little sad about that record,
Speaker 5: Like I feel sad about that record because I feel
Speaker 5: like that's where the four of you parted.
Speaker 1: Weighs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dayla hasn't really made an album that I like, absolutely, like,
Speaker 5: disliked or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I do miss the lightness and the humor of
Speaker 1: their records.
Speaker 4: Well, well, I think as time went on as my
Speaker 4: promise with the first album, but you know, they reeled
Speaker 4: me in back on the other two and I did
Speaker 4: start steaks as high as well with them.
Speaker 1: Well you did Dog eat Dog right or started?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we recorded in my house that that freaking dog.
Speaker 4: But that's that's all Dave's idea. I'll give them credit
Speaker 4: for that. Like I just recorded and kind of navigated.
Speaker 4: You know, the beginning stakes is high and the it
Speaker 4: you know, I stayed a teenager and they grew up.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That's how it evolved. You know,
Speaker 4: just I'm like yo yoah, yo yo, man, let's do this,
Speaker 4: let's record that, And it got to really where they
Speaker 4: were like I don't think that's right, Paul, and I
Speaker 4: had to respect that. You know what I'm saying, it's it.
Speaker 4: Then I'll be going against what I said earlier, like
Speaker 4: it's your art, it's not mine. So I couldn't impose
Speaker 4: my will on them. But for so long, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because then it becomes me, and then
Speaker 4: I become that thing I hate. So the best thing
Speaker 4: to do stay is hot. And it was really tough
Speaker 4: because day La Soul really made me who I was
Speaker 4: or I am as a producer. I had to like,
Speaker 4: it's better that we just part ways. And that was tough.
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember that day Clear was in my
Speaker 1: house hand him to a a tapes. You know, oh,
Speaker 1: like the nice version of doctor. You know, it was
Speaker 1: a nice version of that.
Speaker 4: Right. So from the time Balloon comes out, Balloon is
Speaker 4: ninety three three and then very bigger time.
Speaker 5: Yeah Kane questions and oh the big daddy thing the
Speaker 5: title track of I'm still in that baseline for the
Speaker 5: next record.
Speaker 4: Oh, Man Caine. I love working with Kane. I met
Speaker 4: him during the stets of Sonic Days you seem at
Speaker 4: the quarters and stuff and yeah, and he called me
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, man, you got a song. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, try this. You know what the cool thing
Speaker 4: back then is like now everybody makes beat tapes. Yo,
Speaker 4: what do you got to get beat tape? Listen to it?
Speaker 1: Back then it was like, yo, I hear this song
Speaker 1: for you, This is yours, this is for you.
Speaker 4: I dictate what happens. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 4: you can't do that now. It's just like third base,
Speaker 4: like gas Face.
Speaker 1: And whole songs and all that stuff in front of them,
Speaker 1: and it was cauture.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like I have it at the house or I
Speaker 4: made it and I hear you on this and you
Speaker 4: trust what I'm telling you. Now I'm c's and people
Speaker 4: what you got. Yeah, I like that. I like this one.
Speaker 4: I'm recording them to send it back to you. It's
Speaker 4: not like being in the studio go Yo, that's whack
Speaker 4: or Yo, try this over.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's hard for me to work nowadays, man, because
Speaker 4: I missed that type of energy. You know, even to
Speaker 4: dispute me, you're like, yo, man, no, Paul, well show me.
Speaker 4: You know, that's how you make things get better and
Speaker 4: better and better. But yeah, but we came going back
Speaker 4: to the question. Yeah, yeah, Cane hit me up, you know,
Speaker 4: and it's like, Yo, I'm working on the second record
Speaker 4: like that. I'm a King fan.
Speaker 5: Besides, you did Brooklyn Queens end gas Face right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: yeah that that that emotions horn breakdown. It's like one
Speaker 5: of my when like my pie in the face moment.
Speaker 5: Usually when most people it's for mine, it's always that
Speaker 5: dinging like whenever it.
Speaker 1: Happens to me, that's what that, That's what I hear.
Speaker 1: Like the my my pie in the face moment is
Speaker 1: is that part?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm associated with you?
Speaker 1: So But the thing is you didn't.
Speaker 5: You didn't go light though once you exited Steaks as
Speaker 5: high like you went to Grave Graves.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know what Grave Diggers was a part
Speaker 4: of Grave Diggers was. You know, we talk about the
Speaker 4: niceties of Daylight Souls Dead, But when that record came out,
Speaker 4: a lot of the critics and stuff were saying, Dela
Speaker 4: Soul is dead. It ain't no three ft high rides.
Speaker 4: It was really maybe no, no, no, no, no, noished.
Speaker 4: Maybe amongst the the hip hop peers and everybody, it
Speaker 4: was cool, but amongst the hardcore critics critics, it was
Speaker 4: getting panned time out, time out.
Speaker 5: I got a dispute you on this, Paul uh Houston.
Speaker 5: For starters, I've never seen such a glowing first of all.
Speaker 5: They also's Dad got a better review than three Feet
Speaker 5: High and Rising Rolling Stone. I've never seen a four star.
Speaker 5: I mean leave reviews were rare back then and again
Speaker 5: they gave y' all the cover, which is some shit.
Speaker 5: I memorized. I cut out that all right, forget it's
Speaker 5: not about me. The Village Voice. It was a top
Speaker 5: six passing job Village, which is hard for ninety one
Speaker 5: era Robert Christigal to give that that much.
Speaker 1: Critical praise.
Speaker 5: Now maybe with local papers like that, but I'm just
Speaker 5: saying the source gave y'all a perfect five. That was
Speaker 5: the first five I read that wasn't in that ice
Speaker 5: cube summariz that album was a classic.
Speaker 4: Let me chime in. I think part of it too
Speaker 4: is the setup of having three feet high rise and
Speaker 4: they were endeared and loved and people like they could
Speaker 4: do no wrong. Second record comes out, like I said,
Speaker 4: you're on the outside looking and I'm on the inside.
Speaker 4: You know, your sales a lot lower, you know, and
Speaker 4: then you know somebody you know. The first album was this,
Speaker 4: This album is so mean. It was you know, so
Speaker 4: I'm hearing all this. It was like, you know, we
Speaker 4: put so much money, more money in this record, and
Speaker 4: it's I think it's time, so you're listening. So the
Speaker 4: pressure is on, which led to me having the label
Speaker 4: with Russell when I did Doodo Man Records. It was
Speaker 4: the pressure of living up to three feet high rise
Speaker 4: and like he wanted me to make that record again.
Speaker 4: It's like, I can't make that. I can't do that,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So I did the Resident Alien record, which is some Friends.
Speaker 5: I did love that, Thank you, Shaky Ground and mister
Speaker 5: but like all that, that's I love that record death Yeah,
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a fun record. But he, you know, they
Speaker 4: were like, we're not feeling at this when we start
Speaker 4: out the dispute of me calling it doodle Man Records,
Speaker 4: which Russell called me numerous occasions trying to talk me
Speaker 4: out of it. You shouldn't make a doodoo man. I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, that's the only way I do. That's
Speaker 4: the only way I'll do the deal. If it's Doodo Man.
Speaker 5: If it's other than that, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 5: It's like it is I mean now that Prince Paul
Speaker 5: will be when when Miles of Blackish grows up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: he's going to be Prince Paul. Oh god, his father
Speaker 5: is in uh yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Child.
Speaker 7: While you were on this musical journey, was it like
Speaker 7: a lo low comedy journey going on with you because
Speaker 7: I mean you about the funny as you are talented.
Speaker 1: I think I'm more silly than i'm funny, But thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that all your Grammys come from comedy records.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Chris rock stuff right, local figure. I just
Speaker 4: like having fun and my personality is quirky, and like
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I've been eighteen since I was eighteen,
Speaker 4: Like it hasn't changed, and which bodes well for some
Speaker 4: but for others it doesn't. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But you know, I just like, I just like having fun.
Speaker 4: Some people get the joke, some people dope, you know,
Speaker 4: most of them don't.
Speaker 7: But at some point you knew that it was beyond
Speaker 7: just your hobby and your thing that you like to do,
Speaker 7: because you started making money off of it, Like Emir said,
Speaker 7: so yeah.
Speaker 4: I was weird and you started to make a record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's even I think. Just just to sustain.
Speaker 4: Being in this industry for this long freaked me out
Speaker 4: more than anything else and doing what I wanted to do,
Speaker 4: which was which I don't know too many people get
Speaker 4: a chance of doing that, but I was just so fortunate.
Speaker 4: So it ate to sound like I'm you know, on
Speaker 4: a sports channel and so blessed with what thank god,
Speaker 4: what they I feel, man, because yo, I kind of
Speaker 4: wrote my own story. And that's very very hard to do,
Speaker 4: especially in music and the super duper and hip hop.
Speaker 4: But it it's but I always kept in mind and
Speaker 4: I always and we talked about this earlier about money.
Speaker 4: I just saved my money so I'd be able to
Speaker 4: do what I wanted to do, because I think once
Speaker 4: you start, especially when you start making a certain money
Speaker 4: in this music exchange, you to start getting a certain lifestyle,
Speaker 4: then you want to maintain that by any means necessary.
Speaker 4: And then that's the while it starts. We'll produce artistic decisions,
Speaker 4: how yeah, how you're gonna do. I will produce for food.
Speaker 4: So I was like, if I keep a moderate lifestyle,
Speaker 4: you know, I got a house, cars, you know, whatever
Speaker 4: the case is, keep it simple, then I can make
Speaker 4: the records I always want to make without having to
Speaker 4: like man, really you know, or be that dude who
Speaker 4: just to sustain the lifestyle. We've seen him who moves
Speaker 4: over to Bulgaria with this girl, who lives down with
Speaker 4: this girl. You go, you go on to over there.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, man, you a town and hurt you.
Speaker 4: My man. You're out here now. Man, I'm wrapping at
Speaker 4: the club down the street, about to tour the local
Speaker 4: certain yeah, everybody knows.
Speaker 5: I want to say his name, but yeah, the dads
Speaker 5: that are living. Yeah, and you go, this is my girl, sweat.
Speaker 4: Lauda meet you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I told him we used to rock back in New York.
Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 4: We can't say no, I'm not talking about a person.
Speaker 9: There are people pigmy so can avoid.
Speaker 4: Me being that dude. It's like, I live a practical
Speaker 4: lifestyle so I can make the music I want to make.
Speaker 4: And I've been all right, I'm still live in New York. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I live in New York. I'm after my daughter graduates
Speaker 4: high school. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna move out.
Speaker 4: You're talking about coming down south. I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: in New York.
Speaker 5: Every every New York Pioneer moves to North Carolina eventually,
Speaker 5: come on rap retirement.
Speaker 4: Look, man, my tax is double digits man, every year,
Speaker 4: the amount of paying taxes. But when I stayed in
Speaker 4: my house, I could have bought me a whole new house.
Speaker 4: I could brought me a mansion in North Carolina eight
Speaker 4: that had been the other house.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: I wanted to I want we was talking offline, but
Speaker 9: I wanted to talk about Psychoanalysis. Uh that record Cycle
Speaker 9: How was it open for you? And the record that
Speaker 9: like you could not make that record to day you
Speaker 9: would be think piece to death.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about like Beautiful Night, which talks about
Speaker 4: date rape and killing white people. I mean, but it
Speaker 4: was in the eyes of a cycle path. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That was a shield, but it paints
Speaker 4: the story from the beginning. This album's called Psychoanalysis. The
Speaker 4: guy you have a psychotherapist and somebody goes through all
Speaker 4: these different weird things, and yeah, it is somewhat of
Speaker 4: a shield, but it is the truth, you know. And
Speaker 4: so weirdly enough, I made that record thinking that that
Speaker 4: would be my last record I'd ever make. Like I
Speaker 4: honestly thought like my career was over because that was
Speaker 4: ninety six. Yea, it was ninety six. Now mine, I
Speaker 4: just started working with Daylight and that was that was
Speaker 4: very depressing.
Speaker 1: Wait. Cycle Analysis came out before Prince of Pie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Princess was ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, so.
Speaker 4: So Prince amongst it was Daylight. I lost my record
Speaker 4: situation with Russell Grave Diggers. Oh that's just the that's
Speaker 4: just the fad. You know, you guys are Grave dig
Speaker 4: Six Feet was ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Time out. But that record did well, though, dude, you
Speaker 1: know buzz yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, but it was during the time when Biggie
Speaker 4: and everybody else was coming and that was like the movement,
Speaker 4: and then I was still stuck on and w a.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That was you know, I
Speaker 4: was making action.
Speaker 1: Records, you know what I felt The big mistake was yes,
Speaker 1: and that's why where it Yes Windy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing though, Okay, Nowhere to Run To
Speaker 5: was was a good club single. But I felt y'all
Speaker 5: made a deadly mistake not making bang your Head because
Speaker 5: that song for for for month in Philly, that's all
Speaker 5: DJ Cosmi Kiff shout out the Cosmic Keeff made. He
Speaker 5: would play that relentless live and I didn't know that
Speaker 5: nog you gotta hear you gotta hear it on loud,
Speaker 5: you got to hear it in a club setting.
Speaker 1: It just it sounded perfect.
Speaker 5: That was our ghost stats and for half a second,
Speaker 5: like it didn't catch on, but for that month, that
Speaker 5: cosmic Keeff has been to shelve that record, and he
Speaker 5: kept calling him at at g at D Street, G Street,
Speaker 5: make this a single. I need an instrumental like this
Speaker 5: ship's gonna I'm gonna make it work on radio and
Speaker 5: it never but I agree with him, Bang your head
Speaker 5: should have been it should have been. Wait, I have
Speaker 5: won one question about six feet before you go on
Speaker 5: a sign? Who who is playing on that title track?
Speaker 5: I feel like it's you guys, all of us. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's that's the junk yard band, man, That's how
Speaker 5: we were playing.
Speaker 4: This is what happens when you leave a bunch of
Speaker 4: dudes before the engineer gets in and there's all instruments
Speaker 4: and in the live room we're like yo yo, you
Speaker 4: played the drums, yo rizz. We're just like.
Speaker 1: Back when I didn't back when I didn't know any better.
Speaker 1: That would be part of my DJ Oh my god,
Speaker 1: And that's when I was DJ Pine So I cleaned
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 5: Oh without a doubt, man, that's just that song I
Speaker 5: used to clean. But I love to sit out. It's
Speaker 5: still like on on my on my on my list.
Speaker 4: Man, there's a whole like session of us just playing
Speaker 4: and Rizzid took the took the dat tape. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but but I remember it was mastering that records. When
Speaker 4: you guys mastering your first record at Sony. I don't
Speaker 4: remember exactly where it's at, but I remember, Yo gave
Speaker 4: me a box of cassettes or a bunch of sets.
Speaker 4: So Yo, here's our first record. If anybody wants to
Speaker 4: eat blah blah blah. And I still I still got
Speaker 4: like two of them.
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird.
Speaker 4: I was gonna bring it today so you could sign
Speaker 4: if want me off, I still have it.
Speaker 5: What's weird about that day was that I know that
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson was also in that building mastering history.
Speaker 1: And in order to go to the bathroom, like I
Speaker 1: had to clearity. Yeah, yeah, to clear I couldn't just
Speaker 1: randomly be in the hallway, you know, trying to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom like. So yeah, that day, I remember
Speaker 1: it was a defining moment.
Speaker 4: Man. It was like a few define moments like that.
Speaker 4: And when I met Comment at the music h New
Speaker 4: Music Seminar when he was a little kid, at his
Speaker 4: tapes and stuff. It's like it's moments.
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, yeah, yeah, that was all right, man.
Speaker 4: And I kept I was like, you know, she got
Speaker 4: you sign it, man, I get people signed everything. You
Speaker 4: say it, right.
Speaker 5: So Prince amongst Thieves, which didn't that come out the
Speaker 5: same day as think It's fall Apart. I think that
Speaker 5: TLC's fan mail, Eminem's, Eminem's record.
Speaker 1: And mine was the least successful. Are you trying to
Speaker 1: rub that in on here?
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that statistically your record failed.
Speaker 1: See. I wasn't even going there, Paul.
Speaker 5: I was saying that while we were packed him at
Speaker 5: fifteen fast in the van going from record store to
Speaker 5: record whatever.
Speaker 4: Like doing that whole two weeks, that's all we listened to.
Speaker 5: Wow, And even then I was like, damn, why did
Speaker 5: I think, fucking Paul, Like, why do I think it?
Speaker 4: Damn?
Speaker 1: We could have made something create Like I almost felt like, damn,
Speaker 1: I fucked up with this record of ours. Prince among
Speaker 1: Steve's is no. But I was. I kept here and
Speaker 1: I was like, damn.
Speaker 4: He always comes up with the fucking cleverest ideas that
Speaker 4: I can't who who.
Speaker 1: Was dumbed up?
Speaker 4: The reverence everython came out a year late too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I handed in in February of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4: It was two thousand and eight. No, no, not eight,
Speaker 4: I mean nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, nineteen ninety eight, and
Speaker 4: the label satur for a year because it's like we
Speaker 4: don't know what to do with for a year. Then
Speaker 4: you should have looked, Yo, you don't understand like the
Speaker 4: look of like sitting in a boardroom with played the
Speaker 4: record and everybody after record goes, well, oh it was
Speaker 4: so dispass I worked so hard on that record.
Speaker 1: They not know who they're messing with.
Speaker 4: That's times when you tell Paul make whatever record you
Speaker 4: want to make, I'm like, really, word and I had that,
Speaker 4: and they're like, this is the way the budget went.
Speaker 4: We should have gave it to sex Mob. But I
Speaker 4: think there's another group that had signed back then. Who
Speaker 4: was Who was Dom Dumb on that record? That the Reverend?
Speaker 4: That's uh my man McKnight who I guess you know
Speaker 4: set Free Yeah yeah, call him McKnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he that that that was his boy. He brought
Speaker 1: him in I was recording.
Speaker 4: I was at his house and I was like, you
Speaker 4: need somebody play a reverend, Like I got somebody with
Speaker 4: a perfect voice. And he came in and he killed
Speaker 4: the first first shot.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what to do? He's like,
Speaker 4: I don't played no reverends, Like, yo, just say whatever
Speaker 4: your rhyme is, whatever rhyme, random rhyme you got, but
Speaker 4: say it like you preached it, like like college. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's just one of his random rhymes, said, and preach
Speaker 4: your style and work. You know, I was surprised. You know,
Speaker 4: that was fun. It was. That was a hard record
Speaker 4: to make, man, because I didn't use program. Imagine wait,
Speaker 4: I used too much. No, I did it on a ADS,
Speaker 4: but I did it with a sequencing program called Master
Speaker 4: Master Tracks six, and I sequenced everything live with an
Speaker 4: ASR ten and two S nine fifties. So I triggered
Speaker 4: all the all the vocal parts, so nobody at right now,
Speaker 4: nobody acted against each other. I just recorded all their
Speaker 4: lines and then picked the best line, and then step
Speaker 4: by step line line line, line, line, and then after
Speaker 4: that did sound effects, sound effects, sound effects, sound effect.
Speaker 9: So the chubb rock he's rhyming over the biz beat
Speaker 9: box like those were recorded separately.
Speaker 1: Those Yeah, well you buz did his beat first and
Speaker 1: then yeah, Wow, yeah, a lot of pro tools that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that shi it was a night man,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's so dumb, it's that ship. Well,
Speaker 1: pro tools is way more expensive back then. But I
Speaker 1: should just kind of just what pro tools.
Speaker 4: But it's me, it's me thinking again, like save save
Speaker 4: this two thousand bucks.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna be in this for too long.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm saying even at that point, you're still
Speaker 4: thinking that it's gonna come to you know, it's not
Speaker 4: till I turn now to fifty I say like, wow, okay,
Speaker 4: I made a career out of this. Oh wait, are
Speaker 4: you serious?
Speaker 1: I'm very, very very because I mean because I was
Speaker 1: what examples of hip hop are there?
Speaker 4: See? This is the thing though, you even in R
Speaker 4: and B are there. That's because unless you're.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think with black yes, your your
Speaker 1: DNA motion is the whole winner take all thing with
Speaker 1: black artists that we have to be at the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain like Rocky. You know you're in.
Speaker 4: But the thing is is that there is space in
Speaker 4: this room alone.
Speaker 5: There are three blue collar you know, there are three
Speaker 5: blue blue collar musicians here, which I think maybe in
Speaker 5: ninety six. It was made to be a thing like
Speaker 5: they're shame in being a blue collar musician, or that
Speaker 5: you're not winning, or that you don't have this yacht
Speaker 5: at your access.
Speaker 10: But I know what you mean now, Okay, I was
Speaker 10: catching up. You mean, right, like not super rich.
Speaker 4: Working class work, working class collar musicians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that's wait, are you giving me
Speaker 1: the side? You really believe me?
Speaker 10: I believe Fonte And maybe.
Speaker 5: It's a very No, it's very it's real. Real wealthy
Speaker 5: people don't have to go to their job. I'm at
Speaker 5: my job right now. Okay, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 12: Saying, you know, your blue collar has a waffle on
Speaker 12: it and a heart lego pen gangster.
Speaker 1: That's the smoking mirrors to make y'all think I'm youthful.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that.
Speaker 5: As long as and again you you didn't have lofty,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you dream of owning twelve miles
Speaker 5: eriates And.
Speaker 4: You know what I really wanted and I bought my
Speaker 4: mom my house instead was a one ninety band that
Speaker 4: was kidded. It was Chalkole Gram. I remember sitting at
Speaker 4: the dealership even if this or your mom, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, what we have no place
Speaker 4: to live.
Speaker 1: But my whole, my whole, my whole Negro way of
Speaker 1: thinking was one ninety.
Speaker 4: E kid it.
Speaker 10: Versus black man.
Speaker 5: I did that though, you put off my mom's house
Speaker 5: to build my record room. The nigga one, Yeah, because
Speaker 5: I don't want that's a cute tip. I was like,
Speaker 5: should I want to lose my records? This record it's
Speaker 5: going to be how I make money? And it went
Speaker 5: like your mom didn't have a place to live. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: she had a nice apartment. Is we would she lived
Speaker 5: in Center City on brush she had a nice apartment.
Speaker 9: So with the politics of the business record was that
Speaker 9: Because it's funny you mentioned that you thought, Psycho now
Speaker 9: this was your last thing, reading a line of notes
Speaker 9: of positive business, I thought that the last thing.
Speaker 4: You know, it felt like it because I chepel was
Speaker 4: on that right. Yeah, because imagine I did this record man,
Speaker 4: put all this work into this record and handed Tommy
Speaker 4: Boy and you know, and they really didn't love it
Speaker 4: until critical claim came back. You know, It's one of
Speaker 4: those things like somebody you know, you have something, it's
Speaker 4: all right, and then everybody goes, oh, that's dope. Nigga yeah,
Speaker 4: it's dope, and we have it. It wasn't until that
Speaker 4: point where they realized that something dope. It was at
Speaker 4: the end of its run.
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me that by the time
Speaker 1: that the politics of the business came out, then.
Speaker 4: It was like they were like, yo, make another one.
Speaker 4: They's like, make another Prince among thieves, talking about Prince
Speaker 4: among thieves and head into politics. And I'm like, I
Speaker 4: can't make that. It's like it's like Bugs Bunny one
Speaker 4: show only or no, Daffy Duck blows himself up. You know,
Speaker 4: it's one. I can't do that Again's so hard. And
Speaker 4: plus when I didn't get too much love the first time.
Speaker 4: So and having a conversation with the label, remember they're like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's about a singles market, has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with an album. Paul thinking so backwards, I'm like, word,
Speaker 4: I'm going to make this record and it's just going
Speaker 4: to be a spoof of single, which backfired against because
Speaker 4: everybody took it literal and I'm like, it's a spoof,
Speaker 4: but I'm just joking.
Speaker 1: This isn't what I really do. This is just like
Speaker 1: kind of a joke and and yeah, it went, it went.
Speaker 9: It went hey, why Yeah, I remember we talking about
Speaker 9: when we were doing the breaks and we talked about
Speaker 9: booty clap.
Speaker 4: That's like my figure. You would saying how like Luke
Speaker 4: you did that as like, oh yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: a psycho analysis.
Speaker 9: But then Luke came out with Scar and I think
Speaker 9: that was like one hundred and forty something crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was too slow at
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five. I was like, man, I
Speaker 4: can't get the spoof right.
Speaker 8: So I have a quick question about politics. Did Chuck
Speaker 8: Rock ever pay you the twenty two hundred.
Speaker 4: Years you know what, I just have to say, unequivocally, No,
Speaker 4: I have not got that back, nor do I ever
Speaker 4: expect to ever get if you ever gave it back, yo,
Speaker 4: I would go on all types of social media and
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, I'm gonna say he's the
Speaker 4: greatest guy. But I would go, yo, he finally paid
Speaker 4: me back. I don't know, like it took all this
Speaker 4: time man, and coming back. You know, man, that that
Speaker 4: that could be a lifetime movie. I would tell you
Speaker 4: all the guys that.
Speaker 9: Story be like what, yeah, what was the story was done?
Speaker 9: Twentywo hundred dollars? I can't get to that you put
Speaker 9: it out there.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I got man, you know, was
Speaker 4: it like production was some production stuff for music?
Speaker 10: I just got got personal.
Speaker 1: I just got god.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was a vic you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. That's all I could say.
Speaker 1: I got got you know, and you live and you learn,
Speaker 1: you move on.
Speaker 4: You know. The money didn't hurt me as much as
Speaker 4: the fact that I thought we were cool. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Oh, so this is like there's still feelings behind that.
Speaker 4: I mean, because I mean it's like, even if we
Speaker 4: see it now, it's like, who's mad cool with you?
Speaker 4: No one?
Speaker 1: And that's how let's say let's say let's say, like,
Speaker 1: for example.
Speaker 10: Sake, I never been in his house, but we kind
Speaker 10: of okay, Let's.
Speaker 4: Let's say cool all of a sudden, and you will
Speaker 4: never come either. So let's say hypothetically, she set you
Speaker 4: up to steal from you. You like, oh something, who
Speaker 4: was cool? We hung out, we did, we work together, we.
Speaker 1: Back in the day for ninety can you name it
Speaker 1: your but when it was cool? Oh damn yeah. So
Speaker 1: I mean it makes a great story, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and I'll tell it one.
Speaker 4: Day in full okay, in social media, but but no, no,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I honestly I think chumb Is
Speaker 4: is and I can say this is about time to
Speaker 4: talk about that. I think he's super dupid talent and
Speaker 4: some reason why I work with him. And he's really
Speaker 4: you know, he's really smart, and you know he's funny
Speaker 4: and all the other great things, very charming. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, you know, those are the things that
Speaker 4: really make great set up a great vic I got vixed.
Speaker 4: I'll just say that, man, you know, wait before we
Speaker 4: wrap up.
Speaker 1: Handsome School. But we have that too.
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, been in like eight groups, got myself quite often,
Speaker 4: I gotta wait.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry because I'm gonna forget this and Steve will
Speaker 5: kill us if we don't mention the fact that you
Speaker 5: worked with TiO Macera te.
Speaker 1: Ab Oh yeah, yo, that was great man with Vernon
Speaker 1: Reid on that record. Steve and I have a running
Speaker 1: joke with H. T. T O and Felonious Monk.
Speaker 5: There's a documentary where Felonius does this like brilliant take
Speaker 5: on piano and he tells to okay, play it back
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 1: And t was like, oh, I didn't record that. I
Speaker 1: was just getting levels, and but Thanes like, okay, but
Speaker 1: play it back for me. He's like, I didn't get
Speaker 1: that all right, Well just play the tape back for me. No,
Speaker 1: you don't understand I didn't record it, all right, Well
Speaker 1: wait right here, just play it back for me. That's
Speaker 1: me and Steve all day. Just play it back for me.
Speaker 4: But they had they got it on video tape.
Speaker 1: That's the ironic, right.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that is that's true. That is true.
Speaker 1: But what was it like working with TiO?
Speaker 4: To me, just like working with Bernie Warrell. It's to me,
Speaker 4: it's like free college, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I just I throw on my part, but I'm just watching,
Speaker 4: you know that my whole like uh thing, especially with production,
Speaker 4: working with people who are the seasoned like that. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, we all learn from each other, but I'm
Speaker 4: watching hard body. I'm asking a ton of questions. I'm like,
Speaker 4: how did you do this? Blah blah blah, and you know,
Speaker 4: get into the mind frame it. I mean all of it,
Speaker 4: all of it helps you know, So that that's to
Speaker 4: me what it was. More or less, it was just
Speaker 4: like me fan boying, like, Yo, why'd you do that?
Speaker 4: When you did that? How'd you do that? And it's
Speaker 4: funny Like a lot of these older guys, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you've dealt with this too, the man, all we do
Speaker 4: is make all manufactual like, but what do you mean?
Speaker 4: May we just cut on switch man the episodes of
Speaker 4: the show, you know, And so I'm sitting there like,
Speaker 4: well in awe, like, but the equipment was so limited
Speaker 4: back then, and what did you do?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 4: One more? One more regrets Miles Davis's producer for that,
Speaker 4: thank you? I was I'm sorry, what did you have
Speaker 4: to do with new Kirk's career?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Regrets.
Speaker 5: We can't end the show without missing done on new
Speaker 5: Kircules show stops. Then we'll go to Texas forgot. So
Speaker 5: right now I'm thinking of regret questions. Man new Kirk
Speaker 5: me new Kirk.
Speaker 4: We met when he moved in from the Bronx to
Speaker 4: Amyville in eighth grade. Eighth grade was pivotal in eighth grade,
Speaker 4: and we were in a group. He was my MC,
Speaker 4: he was empty Kid wonder Wow and his and we
Speaker 4: had my man Mike Telux Uh and his and and
Speaker 4: also new Kirk's brother Ray whose name is Sugar Ray,
Speaker 4: and we had a we had a group called the
Speaker 4: Soul Brothers back in in in uh in high school.
Speaker 4: And and you know, after a while, new Kirk kind
Speaker 4: of went on to his thing. I was getting more
Speaker 4: into stetsisnic I met them, and he got more into
Speaker 4: like a prince vibe. So we, you know, even though
Speaker 4: we're mad cool musically, we're kind of separated. And he
Speaker 4: was just making demos and stuff and and with all
Speaker 4: my friends. If you know what's in all my records,
Speaker 4: there's usually a band of characters that follow me from
Speaker 4: record to record to record.
Speaker 1: One of them is new Kirk's primate and Bemos the
Speaker 1: pop Master.
Speaker 4: You know, there's certain people did that that it just
Speaker 4: my friends from like childhood and the pop mass. Was
Speaker 4: he the one on booty him pop Master does all
Speaker 4: my uh hey oh yeah, yeah, that's that's freaking yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just seen the pop Master about it. But wait,
Speaker 4: who uh uh uh uh who worship? Who is that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: That that's this guy named Ron. He worked at the
Speaker 4: at the I told you I done a guy for stuff. Hey,
Speaker 4: you and the booth he was he worked at Calliope.
Speaker 4: He was like the manager a lot of I've heard
Speaker 4: that voice on a lot of other stuff too. After
Speaker 4: he was on my record, I launched his career. He
Speaker 4: was working at the studio as.
Speaker 1: A bad the original version of Who Do You Worship? Oh?
Speaker 4: I love that one.
Speaker 1: Why didn't y'all put that.
Speaker 4: On the record? I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I loved that one.
Speaker 1: Get it?
Speaker 4: And where did you hear that? What's my name?
Speaker 1: Motherucker?
Speaker 4: I can't even find that. It is in my thing
Speaker 4: of cassettes, and I don't know where it's.
Speaker 5: I have a draft of of des was Dead that's
Speaker 5: slightly altered than the version of Man.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Another text regard question, Oh.
Speaker 4: New Kirk, let me get back to Newkirk. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so so new Kirk. After I asked him, you know,
Speaker 4: do the voice in the three Rising and third Base?
Speaker 4: And oh this is before third Base? I introduced him
Speaker 4: to Russell and Russell signed him to his OBR and
Speaker 4: that kind of set it up. That's why I had
Speaker 4: a little bit of juice. Man was the joint.
Speaker 1: That's when people actually kind of liked me.
Speaker 4: You know, I could I could call up a random person,
Speaker 4: hey man, Paul, how are you you know, when when
Speaker 4: you start making money for people that Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what was your text regreat question?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: Who was they are talking about at the beginning of
Speaker 5: AFRO Connections at a high five.
Speaker 1: Or we can't say, okay, don't mention the name. Were
Speaker 1: they talking about someone specific? No, not that I can
Speaker 1: think of. That's all you have to say, like they
Speaker 1: might have to ask them.
Speaker 4: But from what I remember, it was just an overall
Speaker 4: because that was the vibe back then, because dudes was
Speaker 4: just doing that. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 4: just the movement.
Speaker 1: And what is Crocker Crocker thing? Or no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's him saying his name though. No, No, that's on
Speaker 1: Crocker from Kojack.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: I forgot Tom Hayes handled one. Okay, playing found that Crocker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's one of those things you got.
Speaker 4: You know, you just ran Crocker. Yes, put that in there, Crocker.
Speaker 4: You just come up to curses Crocker.
Speaker 9: You know, I see handsl wore Mylin school real quick.
Speaker 9: I know we got handsl wore Mylin school.
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 4: Just well, hopefully they just use one of the joints
Speaker 4: and Baby Driver the movie. Yeah, I just I just
Speaker 4: heard about that. My nephew told me about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used that.
Speaker 4: How did that come about? I don't know.
Speaker 9: I just well, I mean, did the group not that
Speaker 9: that placement, but just you an automator. Oh that was
Speaker 9: a joke.
Speaker 4: It was automated. Was at Tommy Boy and he was like,
Speaker 4: because me and water made became cool when he did doctor,
Speaker 4: I was doing Psychoanalysis and I did a remix with
Speaker 4: Blue Flowers, and then we were talking about Chris Elliott
Speaker 4: and Get A Life and ha ha, I remember the episode.
Speaker 1: Handsome Model in School had some way Model School.
Speaker 4: Ha ha haa. We're laughing with joking.
Speaker 1: That's where it comes from. Yeah, which changing which changing
Speaker 1: copies of old VHS tapes of Get a Life.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden he's at Tommy Boy
Speaker 4: and he's like, uh, yeah, I told I told tom
Speaker 4: and Monica that we got a group called Handsome Boy
Speaker 4: Model School and they would have signed us. I was
Speaker 4: like really, He's like yeah. I was like, all right, bet,
Speaker 4: let's do it. So you know, it wasn't a group,
Speaker 4: it was just a joke, and then we had to
Speaker 4: live up to the joke. By making the record and
Speaker 4: anything behind the joke.
Speaker 1: Did Chris Elliott ever talk to you guys about Yeah.
Speaker 4: But actually we met up with Chris Elliott and he
Speaker 4: was like, I can't believe that Abby's coming to the
Speaker 4: show today. Side note, Chris is darting. He was like,
Speaker 4: I'm surprised anybody even liked anything about it, foxing me
Speaker 4: such a hard time with the thing, and and he
Speaker 4: wanted to work with us on some project, but it
Speaker 4: never it never happened. Is that how the Atlantic thing
Speaker 4: for the second album The White People? Oh, it's because
Speaker 4: Tommy Boy. Uh one just took the catalog from Tommy Boy.
Speaker 4: So all the groups got dispersed. Obviously, nobody wanted me
Speaker 4: as a solo artist, but they accepted me and Handsome
Speaker 4: Boy modeling school, which I was just fine.
Speaker 7: Can I just give people a point of reference where
Speaker 7: Chris Elliott remember something by Mary?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He was the guy he was what was his character name?
Speaker 4: He was the boyfriend, yeah, the one that had all.
Speaker 10: The zi Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: He was the lead character. And get a life, which
Speaker 1: is what I know. But some kind of life is
Speaker 1: also the dicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got so much awkward stuff right.
Speaker 1: Oh that was my lad. That was my last.
Speaker 10: This was gonna be one the Dicks.
Speaker 1: It was a group. It was like his fate like
Speaker 1: Motown soul group d you don't know it was. It
Speaker 1: was this was like oh, it was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was depressed by then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, this is a fun.
Speaker 1: There's certain records that I make that I'm serious.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, this is I think this is dope.
Speaker 4: When you hear records like Psychoanalysis or The Dicks or Instrumental,
Speaker 4: but yeah, those barn was a fun records. It was
Speaker 4: like I just make just the mate.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's like you like it, you don't like it, hate me,
Speaker 4: But that was just, you know, an imagination thing.
Speaker 1: It is fun.
Speaker 4: I got all my friends together. I gotta say that
Speaker 4: I'm one of the biggest Barman fans ever. Barman. He
Speaker 4: talks about Barman's on that ass B list half the time.
Speaker 4: He like, Yo, who's uh area code like apartment who
Speaker 4: Barman's genius. Yeah, Man, very overlooked Man.
Speaker 1: I love that dude.
Speaker 4: Man. But yeah, he talks about you all the time,
Speaker 4: Man to you all lived together. At some point He's like.
Speaker 5: Man, it's just you know these' it's my spirit animal
Speaker 5: man Paul.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's mad. Cool.
Speaker 5: I got him in a group with uh uh the
Speaker 5: director Eternal Sins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with Michelle Okay, yeah he did talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's good to work. I'm glad you guys are
Speaker 4: working together.
Speaker 8: They got a side project. All right, So what was
Speaker 8: your you had? It was one last really kind of
Speaker 8: stupid question. I'm not stupid. George Clinton tweaking remix?
Speaker 4: Wow, forgot about that, Jesus, My brother brought it up
Speaker 4: not too long ago.
Speaker 8: Did you touch that before or after? Prince got ahold
Speaker 8: of it? Because you both are credited on the record.
Speaker 8: Two princess Yeah, two princes on the same record.
Speaker 4: Honestly, you know what. I don't even I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I think I have a copy of the record somewhere.
Speaker 4: I don't remember anything. All I remember I remember, I
Speaker 4: do remember this is that Before then, Prince wanted me
Speaker 4: to come down to the was it Paisley Park Studios
Speaker 4: and record but I couldn't at the time. I was
Speaker 4: really busy. So he sent me the the masters to
Speaker 4: I mean, he had to Island Media where I was working.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 4: Now, I was like, oh, I have no time for you, Prince.
Speaker 4: What a douchebag of my you know, but and you
Speaker 4: knew I was a big George Clinton fan. And I
Speaker 4: remember doing it, but I don't remember the process, you know,
Speaker 4: I just remember recording. Okay, this is cool, not some
Speaker 4: of my better work. I mean, I wish I could
Speaker 4: go back in time and really redo that. And I
Speaker 4: wish I'd go back in time and go to Paisley
Speaker 4: Park Studios. Can you before we go, can you talk
Speaker 4: about the Brooks Hill Project?
Speaker 1: Oh, Brizil, Yeah, that was a long time in the making.
Speaker 4: Man. That was me visiting South Polow hooking up with
Speaker 4: Hadrig Brown and now who was the host of Young
Speaker 4: TV Raps Brazil back in when they had the Young
Speaker 4: tv Raps. Yeah, and you know me talking about Hanles
Speaker 4: make a record and hooking up together and and introducing
Speaker 4: him to Mecca, you know him find out Mecca's families
Speaker 4: from Brazil and her peature or speaking Portuguese, and they bonded.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I always bring my usual suspect
Speaker 4: to always bring new Kirk in because you know he's
Speaker 4: he's my boy for life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So and yeah, we just started making this record piecing together.
Speaker 4: It took so long because we try to get right
Speaker 4: in the room at the same time. Somebody from Brazil,
Speaker 4: somebody's you know. So it's it took us like almost
Speaker 4: like eight years to make that record and just to
Speaker 4: like just to record again. Wow. Yeah, because we record
Speaker 4: some South Paulo, some in Queens, some in Long Island,
Speaker 4: and some in Atlanta. So we were all over the place.
Speaker 4: So it's just set up. Now do you set up
Speaker 4: at the crib like you just have a home set.
Speaker 4: We recorded vocals and I've had a home set up
Speaker 4: when home setups weren't popular, like when we was doing
Speaker 4: the daylight stuff. I started making a home setup because
Speaker 4: I try to save as much money and pre production
Speaker 4: before I went to studios possible, because like so, when
Speaker 4: you have a twenty five thousand dollars budget, yo, you
Speaker 4: gotta find And I kept that mentality because I seen
Speaker 4: it like this, right, when you got a budget, you
Speaker 4: make a record, let's say hypothetically, and I'll keep it
Speaker 4: at twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You know that's money you're definitely gonna have.
Speaker 4: You don't know if you're ever going to make a
Speaker 4: royal do So I'm trying to spend this little without
Speaker 4: jeopardizing the integrated project as possible in making that record.
Speaker 4: So I can just pocket the rest because I know
Speaker 4: that that's the only money I may ever have from
Speaker 4: that record, ever, ever, ever.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Paul, we can stay here for another nine hours,
Speaker 1: but I get.
Speaker 4: Restless, like.
Speaker 1: More, But I gotta I gotta go.
Speaker 8: To my job.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Can we just have warm round
Speaker 1: of regret questions and just fired off and just try
Speaker 1: to keep it short? Is it's not? Okay?
Speaker 5: But fuck it, this is the only time we get
Speaker 5: to ask this. So when you recorded the second Chris
Speaker 5: Rock album, yes, I noticed. What microphone did you use
Speaker 5: on Chris Rock? Sorry, because it sounded like I felt
Speaker 5: that you were going for those old Red Fox records.
Speaker 5: If you listen to the quality of of of the
Speaker 5: comedy bits that are done in the club, it was like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, like you were doing a Dap Kings
Speaker 5: fifties throwback or nah, you just had a bad microphone.
Speaker 4: And you just it was probably the latter. You don't
Speaker 4: listen back, I'm like, Yo, this sounds really like it
Speaker 4: just all I know. Was the last record that we
Speaker 4: made was it Never Scared to Me, which sounded too perfect?
Speaker 7: I like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like the sound of like the non digitized,
Speaker 4: non sterile, old school stuff. So yeah, it was probably
Speaker 4: by design, and that was probably thanks to Scottie Hart,
Speaker 4: my engineer. He probably sat and like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Recordable on the on the cad mic whatever microphone was.
Speaker 5: Well start it was a Stroker genius because if he
Speaker 5: ever does another comic record, I'm like, you gotta get
Speaker 5: that microphone you used for the second album, which it.
Speaker 4: Makes all the difference. Man. It's funny how tonality will
Speaker 4: make you perceive even jokes or anything that you listen to. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know, and I try to tell people that, like
Speaker 4: and that's why certain things don't sound really good sterile
Speaker 4: and new age, you know, High Death? Did you record
Speaker 4: those the real people ignorance.
Speaker 1: Skits to ye?
Speaker 10: Do I even ask why you and Chris Rock.
Speaker 1: Have you heard the records?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: But I'm just I'm asking this for people who might
Speaker 10: be listening.
Speaker 4: Prince Paul, Well, the weird thing is after psycho analysis,
Speaker 4: he ran called me up, and I thought it was
Speaker 4: a joke from Daylight because we play jokes on each other,
Speaker 4: like here he goes Apasta's network will call, And I
Speaker 4: thought it was like a joke, like you know, yeah something,
Speaker 4: it's Chris rock Man do his record.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever, what record you want me
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 4: I was just like all like, yeah, okay whatever. He said, No,
Speaker 4: I'm serious, I'm gonna do like maybe like one or
Speaker 4: two things. And we met up and I was like,
Speaker 4: this is a joke. He's like no, I'm serious. And
Speaker 4: then we just got along really well.
Speaker 5: Because no one thought that Chris rock was going to
Speaker 5: make a record with skits on it, right, and so
Speaker 5: you know that's.
Speaker 1: What I don't think he thought he was gonna make
Speaker 1: a regular s got to just developed this thing on.
Speaker 1: You know, all right, Bill, do you have a regret question?
Speaker 1: What's Prince Paul's favorite skit?
Speaker 4: Anything? Doctor Dre made on up?
Speaker 12: That?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 5: To me, that sets the bar forever because he says
Speaker 5: he acknowledges that he got all that shit from you.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, he just as he for a fact,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Yes, he's acknowledged that. You know, Wow,
Speaker 4: that that's man, that's flattering because I was trying to
Speaker 4: copy that. From that point, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: this is incredible. You know, it's just like this last
Speaker 4: thing I'll say is it's just like when I finally
Speaker 4: met the Beasties and Paul mc a, yeah, God rest
Speaker 4: his soul. He was and him and ad Rock was
Speaker 4: telling me like, we hated you when you made three
Speaker 4: feet high Rise because we wanted to do that first.
Speaker 4: Like you know what's crazy. I paid three high Rising
Speaker 4: out the licensed ill I just added extra stuff to it,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That was the bewildering part
Speaker 4: of it. And I'm like, wow, you guys are by
Speaker 4: inspiration that and and uh and easy. I think the
Speaker 4: first record he did and Paul the Funk Cadelic. It
Speaker 4: was a combination.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you guys were definitely doing the Beatles Beach
Speaker 5: Boys battle for it was going to be more autistic.
Speaker 1: Steve any questions.
Speaker 4: Like, regret question, Yeah, I regret regret question.
Speaker 5: Lady and gentlemen, this has been an awesome episode of
Speaker 5: Prince Carl.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I will give you guys around applaw us.
Speaker 4: Thank you for tolerating me this long and waiting for.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you will be a repeat quest because we
Speaker 5: got so much more questions, repeat a repeat question of
Speaker 5: repeat quest.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I will come back and ask you all
Speaker 4: questions to ask.
Speaker 1: About the lawsuit anyway on behalf of like you and
Speaker 1: Steve and Bill and other Bill who's not here, pour
Speaker 1: off some spit, Lincoln and Flow.
Speaker 4: And Prince Paul.
Speaker 1: We thank you very much and uh, we'll see you
Speaker 1: on the next go round. Of course, Love Supreme only
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