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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: What's Up, Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June

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Speaker 2: marks Black Music Month. We often speak about it on

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Speaker 2: Questlo Supreme and we've had some of the legends responsible

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Speaker 2: for the recognition on the show. Every day this June,

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Speaker 2: we are running a different episode from the QLs archives

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Speaker 2: to honor the tradition and intent of Black Music Month.

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Speaker 2: This week we are focusing on some of the great

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Speaker 2: hip hop conversations that in the ULS catalog. Our leader

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Speaker 2: Questlove has a new book out called hip Hop Is History.

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Speaker 2: Check it out at questlove dot com. Next up, we

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Speaker 2: are revisiting our conversation with legendary producer, DJ and artist

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Speaker 2: Prince Paul, who revolutionized album making and production techniques.

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Speaker 3: Breathords Supremo Supremo, roll Call, Supreme O, Supremo called Suprema Supremo,

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Speaker 3: Role called Suprema Suprema.

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Speaker 1: Role seventy Chaka Khan. Yeah, yeah, that freaking movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, freaking.

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Speaker 5: Supreme Supreme Rod and I still messed up. I forgot

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Speaker 5: rufus Supreme Rod.

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Speaker 4: My name is Fantee. Yeah it is not Eugene. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but what does touche.

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Speaker 3: Suprema role called supreme Suprema role.

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Speaker 6: My name is sugar Yeah with Prince Paul Yeah, three

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Speaker 6: ft high Yeah and high Supreme Suprema role called killing

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Speaker 6: Supremo Supremo roll.

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Speaker 7: Yeah with Paul in the place. Yeah, you better get

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Speaker 7: out of my way. Yeah, I punch you in your face.

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Speaker 8: Whoa Supreme son.

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Speaker 3: Upreme my role?

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Speaker 8: Blah blah blah blah head line I missed, Yeah, shout

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Speaker 8: out to Prince Paul. Yeah, next up on this whoa Supreme.

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Speaker 4: Supreme roll went up? The name is Paul Jesus Jesus, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm here, y'all, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Hope to cease.

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Speaker 1: Suppreme my role.

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Speaker 3: Actually, so supreme roll came Supremo Supreme roll call Supreme.

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Speaker 5: Supreme my role. Wait, Wow, that was pressure. Were you

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Speaker 5: actually surprised that we told you to do a verse?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man at the top, that you're going to do it.

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Speaker 4: The last time I did Ron will Rise not falls?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well you know years later here you go,

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Speaker 1: wow that Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, anyway, you ain't

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Speaker 1: you were on that. It was on that he was.

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Speaker 4: The last one way and something you guys talking about that,

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Speaker 4: I'm not alone.

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Speaker 9: It was we Yeah, your skits have been co opted

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Speaker 9: so many times by people in this room, like.

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Speaker 4: What ladies, I got it?

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Uh, this is a special episode.

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Speaker 1: It's not, ladies, and tell me this is a very

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Speaker 1: unspecial episode. You know. Usually I start with the.

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Speaker 5: Grandios over the top intro, but really, I will say

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Speaker 5: that perhaps our special guest today is one of the

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Speaker 5: first paradigm shifts and hip hop culture, meaning that it's

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Speaker 5: it's his it's his brain space that allowed dweebs like

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Speaker 5: that we call hip hop, A lot of his leftist

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Speaker 5: center and crazy ideas really resonated with nerds. I mean

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Speaker 5: it made nerds feel included. And thanks, what are you

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Speaker 5: trying to say about?

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Speaker 1: You are our leader, ladies, and tell me please welcome

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Speaker 1: our leader. Prince Paul.

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Speaker 4: Made it after almost a year, I'm trying to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you're thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: thank you for still coming, thank you, thank you for I.

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Speaker 8: Wish I couldnt how many times I have text message

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Speaker 8: that says when is principal coming?

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Speaker 10: I'm telling you tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know, wait, yeah, there's still special this. This

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Speaker 1: I don't almost thought after me being the leader of

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Speaker 1: the nerds apparently, I mean, do people, because I feel

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Speaker 1: that read liner notes on albums like that's that's I

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Speaker 5: I'll just say if you read liner notes and you

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Speaker 4: Who doesn't read liner notes? Maybe I am the nerd

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Speaker 4: now well, I don't know line of notes to read?

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Speaker 4: Well yeah nowadays? Yeah, just look at the picture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But I mean it's just, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 5: just beyond the yes, yes, y'all crowd.

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Speaker 1: So how are you today?

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Speaker 4: Man? I'm good. I'm glad to be here. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's good to see you. I mean you, I catch

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Speaker 5: It's been a second actually, you know, it's weird, like

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Speaker 5: i've seen. I'm shocked at how you expand because usually

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Speaker 5: you know, certain DJs will play music that only they

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Speaker 4: I mean the Prince Paul Medle If I did that,

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Speaker 4: get drinks, you know, los igo pee no. But you

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Speaker 4: grow up in whatever order like you Actually you cater

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Speaker 4: to the crowd that's watching you, which I was amazed at.

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so he's not being hard at

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Speaker 4: because a lot of people just be like yo, man,

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Speaker 4: I hate this particular time period and I hate modern

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Speaker 4: hip hop and I'll just stick to you know, eighty

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Speaker 4: six to ninety four, And you were going all over

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Speaker 4: the place, like you playing trapshit that I was shocked

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Speaker 1: I maybe shazamed one or two songs that he played.

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Speaker 4: So now, I mean, the part of it is it's

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Speaker 4: matter whatever. It's just harder to find it in this era.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, but I'll extract stuff and

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Speaker 4: I have to thank my son for all the trap knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was my.

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Speaker 4: It's it. You know, he's parting and I my whod

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Speaker 4: school MD James since nineteen seventy seven, since I was ten.

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Speaker 4: So I come from an era where you rock the party.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with anything else.

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Speaker 4: You know, It's like your job is to defeat and

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Speaker 4: annihilate every DJ that's around you and then kind of

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Speaker 4: make the party jump.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, you definitely uh annihilated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I was like because it was at the Try party.

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Speaker 4: You want to do your last record? Was like little Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, I gotta they already turned sea.

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Speaker 4: But you got it. You got a perfect because you

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Speaker 4: walk in and goes the lights couple no technicals, like

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Speaker 4: like wow, no kissed the ring.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, We're not gonna get stuck in this circle.

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Speaker 10: But I'm not going to give you a compliment. Don't worry.

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Speaker 10: But then my reason where your son is a DJ

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Speaker 10: for Uzi Bird is that is that true?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, DJs.

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Speaker 5: Wow, oh no, wonder you know so much of it?

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Speaker 5: I was like, yo, Paul's knowledge is amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you won't catch me dabbing anything. What's the

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Speaker 4: new dance? So I noticed, everything goes like, yes, wait,

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Speaker 4: how was your son? He's twenty five?

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, you go almost to be your grandfather.

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Speaker 4: Only Hey, hey, I know I'm fifty, So I guess

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Speaker 4: it's okay.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you're fifty.

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Speaker 10: You lookzy.

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Speaker 4: I'm fifty years old.

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Speaker 10: I'm taking a picture. No, what he's cut? He got cuts? Ladies?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you look great at your age. Bro.

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Speaker 4: What thanks? Little cuts like.

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Speaker 10: In your in your chest and your stomach and in

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Speaker 4: Now that I was looking, I'm fasting, which is part

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Speaker 4: of it, intimated fasting. I would advised guys tell you

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Speaker 4: about an hour window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good thing.

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Speaker 10: That's what that's called. The is doing. Okay, so you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's terry crews.

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Speaker 1: Terry crew. What's this called? It's in a minute fast?

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Speaker 9: Basically you eat what you want in quotation marks, I

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Speaker 9: you push all your meals to an eight hour window,

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Speaker 4: You know, detox spis the liver with the kidneys. If

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Speaker 4: your guy booshed the testosterone up to weigh over one

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Speaker 5: break beat. I'm sorry, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: So cancer and a whole lot of diabetes and everything

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Speaker 4: When there's certain things you can control, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. You can control what you eat, control your exercise,

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Speaker 5: Does that concern you that a lot of our you know,

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Speaker 4: Of Latin Quarter or whatever it was. Yeah, Imber, those

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Speaker 5: Does it Is it on your mind that a lot

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Speaker 4: Just escaping fifty five? Well, I'm being generous fifty So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think I think about my mortality daily. And I

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Speaker 4: hate to say that, but you know, I don't obsess

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Speaker 4: you know, like I said that, my sisters passed a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, and that's tough, but I only

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Speaker 4: In my family. Nobody else exists, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's it's serious, you know. So I mean

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Speaker 4: when I think of my yeah, like you know, poetic

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Speaker 4: know friends who passed and yeah, it's it's it's scary,

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Speaker 5: Well, the thing it's also you know, hip hop culture celebrates,

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Speaker 4: Beautiful, which isn't what I'm saying that.

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Speaker 5: That's not natural, you know what a certain age, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like to do over excessive party and the celebrate,

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Speaker 7: But see, this is interesting because hip hop is so

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Speaker 4: Hop, you know, but the kids, now it's a difference.

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Speaker 9: Don't know what the effects that that's gonna be at, Like,

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Speaker 4: At thirty four? It was like cracking the eighties. I remember,

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Speaker 4: And then so now you look back on and he's

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Speaker 1: You know, where were you born?

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Speaker 4: I was born in Queens Flesh, not Long Island, not

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Speaker 5: When has anyone in hip hop purely been born in

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Speaker 4: Won't Now that's moving up, you know, when you when

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it was rough.

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Speaker 4: It was rough. It was rough, but like this, it

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Speaker 4: I really thought about. I was like, yo, I used

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Speaker 4: And I would just walk into his plaza talking to myself, Man,

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Speaker 10: Yeah right, it's kind of brilliant. Did you share that

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Speaker 4: Man? You know, but it worked. I see nothing, you know,

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Speaker 4: I see no other dudes get robbed.

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Speaker 1: People wouldn't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, chain's going, things going.

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: That's what New York was beautiful though. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Back in the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, like I said, it was crime

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Speaker 4: the whole thing. It was all this craziness and not

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Fat Boys might have

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Speaker 4: It was that era.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'll be goddamn if I

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Speaker 4: Know, but it was just everything getting turned over. People

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm all of one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Next thing I know, they took my little velcraw wallet that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had.

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Speaker 1: I had to admit I had a fake chain. It

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Speaker 4: And had a pe remember like the initials with had

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Speaker 4: hip hop. You know what I'm saying, he can't be

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Speaker 1: Oh damn.

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Speaker 9: Now I'm thinking now if you I think you everyone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say that I've got robbed.

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Speaker 5: DJing at the age of ten for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Like, uh no, I mean, you know, aside from the

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Speaker 4: I have the first forty five I bought. Two I

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Speaker 4: bought was Groove Me King Floyd and hot Pants, and

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Speaker 4: I still have it. I was five years old, bought

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Speaker 1: How much did it costs back then? Forty fives were

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Speaker 4: I think that for like less than a dollar each?

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Speaker 4: You know, did you mark your name on your records

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Speaker 4: like everyone oh yeah, yeah, I still got them. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're still mark it and and the breakbeats. When you

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Speaker 4: get in the eighties all washed out, yeah I still

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Speaker 1: Onto albums right the forty five Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Right the same. Yeah, I love it. It's funny now

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Speaker 5: because now I'm looking for that sound and that sort

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm trying to know, man, we could swap out

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Speaker 4: Hard the conversation. Yeah, you're right, we're just getting started.

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Speaker 4: You're right about this. So where was your first DJ gig?

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Speaker 1: Well, what happened, Well, what happened was like all black

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Speaker 4: But what happened was I pieced together a DJ set.

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Speaker 4: I was like because it wasn't really scratching.

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Speaker 1: It was just like bent bent bent b really yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like seventy seven, seventy seventy seven, even.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was like because you know, going like said,

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Speaker 4: it was like you know, you're thinking of like it

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Speaker 4: but it was just disco breaks. Yeah, you had to

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Speaker 1: So who were your gods and queens that you look

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Speaker 4: P DJ Jones It was probably like you know when

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Speaker 5: Then get the respect that you know, the gods of

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Speaker 5: DJ Jones was before all those guys.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, it depends on where you're from.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 4: You know, Tips from Queens. You know, I'm Long Island

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Speaker 4: back then, it was more power than it was skilled.

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Speaker 4: Had none of the skill was like, but it was

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Speaker 4: So how did you build How would you build your system?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just didn't. I did the opposite. I had

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, it's still records equipment and

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Speaker 4: And so probably one of the first gigs I got

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Speaker 4: was out? Was it seventh grade, eighth grade? It might

441
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 4: have been Midnight Plane or Trouble Funk, I don't remember.

442
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: I don't remember what it was. But yeah, it's a

443
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: lot of people. I was nervous, but I thought I

444
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 4: was nice.

445
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: Were you throwing on once you got on real turntables?

446
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,479
Speaker 1: Of course?

447
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you get on real stuff, it's like whoa,

448
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 4: It's like it's like driving a probably I would guess

449
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 4: with a you go to a to a maserati, you

450
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 4: know what, Like yeah, you know you're not like fighting

451
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: fighting a steering you know, saying the breaks, you don't

452
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: have to step one extra hard. Everything's like, because back

453
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: then I was my friends had the eighteen hundreds, and

454
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: I think before then it was the eleven hundred. A's

455
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: the big doofy looking ones, right, yeah, but it was

456
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: from that to the eighteen hundreds, and then all I

457
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 4: could afford. Once I started getting turntables, I had a

458
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 4: BSR and then eventually graduated to a B man, not

459
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: one O one. I can't remember it was a B one,

460
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: but it was the one with the strobe light that

461
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: was on this the right hand side and the lower part.

462
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: I think DST had the same ones. I'm nerding out

463
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: right now.

464
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 5: You no, no, no, no, no making me nerd out?

465
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: Tell me more, yeah, djorn, I think I think it

466
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: was a B ten.

467
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: I think the turntables I can't remember exactly, but those

468
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: were my first real like techniques.

469
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Now, were these teased?

470
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 4: You know?

471
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 5: Were these acquired? YEA blackout of seventy seven?

472
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: You know?

473
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: Did you have rich grandparents? I remember the black out

474
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 4: of seventy seven because I was leaving Brooklyn and I've

475
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 4: seeing the lightning bolt. The lightning came down and then

476
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: everything blacked out and we was actually my grandmother's house

477
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: in Brooklyn. So I wasn't there for all the festivities

478
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 4: because I was going back to Long Island. But I

479
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: got these things by and it's gonna sound cheesy to

480
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: like a lot of kids nowadays, but you know I

481
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 4: was taking apart bikes, putting them together and selling them,

482
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 4: painting them, you know, shwins, you know. So that that

483
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: was my thing. I was just everything was swapped back

484
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 4: then you traded. You traded, trade until you trade it up,

485
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: and you prayed for a decent birthday or Christmas or

486
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: you know, And that's how I kind of it was

487
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: piece by piece by piece by piece by piece by piece.

488
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Well that's hustling, yeah, yeah, and honest, yeah, I can't

489
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: say that. You know, I was hugging. I was hugging

490
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: the block, you.

491
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't

492
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: say that. I wish I could have that story. Then yeah,

493
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: man came up what I'm saying. I had to leave

494
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: it alone. Who's your first crew, my friend?

495
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: I mean, when you had your first My first crew

496
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: was in the I still got the shirt too. My

497
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: first crew was in the sixth grade and it was

498
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: my friend Charles and Mitchell Robinson who lived next door

499
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: and I remember there was like, Yo, we're gonna make

500
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 4: a crew and you're gonna be the DJ, and I'm

501
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 4: like really And our crew was the ever Ready Crew. Yo.

502
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: I still got the shirt is mad young and on

503
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: the friend has a Yamaha motorcycle like dcal Yeah, because

504
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: ironed the letters on the back, man, Yo, I got

505
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: that jo. I need to post it. Once I got

506
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: to stop being anti social media started posting stuff.

507
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah that was my first crew.

508
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 4: And yeah, I remember we tried to make tapes and

509
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 4: stuff for people and they were saying, this is horrible.

510
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: Do you know you still those things?

511
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 11: Yeah?

512
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: I have an early pause tape from probably about seventy

513
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: eight that I still have. I played not too long ago.

514
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: I was clean out my house and I found nice Okay, yeah, yeah,

515
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: it's it's it's horrible, but it was good back then.

516
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: Back then, were you running with any of the contemporaries

517
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 5: that you would later make music with decades later, Like

518
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 5: you know, was was Daddy O coming up in the

519
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 5: scenario during this period or well?

520
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: I didn't meet Daddy until I joint Stetton probably like

521
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: eighty three eighty four, But in Long Island, I knew

522
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: Biz because Bis used to come up to my school.

523
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: So we he's come out the house. We used to

524
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: make tapes. So those tapes like which I had that

525
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: was around when I was in eighth grade. He would

526
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: so there's tapes of you and Buz marking making. There

527
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 4: has to be somewhere there was cassettes. He's come over

528
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: the house. He was polls cassette like all right, you know,

529
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: he'd you know, meet me up at the high school

530
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: and ambul High School and we you know.

531
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: Y'all went to school together.

532
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: He no, yeah, I don't man. Biz lived way out

533
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 4: like in Quorum or something weird part of Long Island,

534
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: and he would I don't know how he would magically

535
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 4: end up in Amneville High School or there are there

536
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: abouts and Wine Dance, which everybody know rock Him's from

537
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: and and you know Chili Dog and all those guys,

538
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: and so he would just end up at the schools

539
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: and you're like, here's gonna make a tape, you know,

540
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 4: and and y know to this day he'll tell you, man,

541
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: I remember he came by my house. And this was

542
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: the last time we made it, or supposedly made a tape.

543
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: Was He's like yo, I was busy at the times, Like, yo,

544
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: can I borre your records? I was like, what do

545
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: you need?

546
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Give me Rocket in the Pocket God made me funky.

547
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: It was some other record and he never brought it back.

548
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: Oh really, Biz Marky and he took it to my

549
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: man Divine's house. No, no, yeah, it's kidnamed DJ Divine

550
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: and he uh yeah, and bis will Brandupton's day. He's like, yo,

551
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 4: I know I got your records. I owe your Rocket

552
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 4: the Pocket made me funky, and I can't remember that.

553
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: He'll probably tell you the other records and these are

554
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: the originales, not like the the the guy.

555
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 4: Made me funky was original? No, they all were original, Yeah,

556
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: because the Rock in the Pocket was the Atlantic, right

557
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah man, I'm really getting upset. Let's get him.

558
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: Regulars are worth money, man, what yo?

559
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 7: Did you and Biz ever battle? Like like what we

560
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 7: say Jonan and DC. But we know like Biz is

561
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 7: like the king of the equips and going in and whatnot.

562
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Oh it's snapping up. Yeah, he was less snappy back then.

563
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: You know you know what I remember, You know, I

564
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: give a lot of credit to bisin and and I'll

565
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: say this, and I told him. I'm very proud of him,

566
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: and as we got older, it is because he was

567
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: getting teased a lot, you know what I'm saying, Like

568
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: he would come to the school.

569
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm he was always a character.

570
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was always Yeah, he didn't want to be.

571
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: I mean as legend would have it. And people tell

572
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: you Biz could tell you some good stories. What that

573
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: has not changed? You know what I'm saying that his

574
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: that's from from childhood. But you know a lot of that.

575
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, kids would teasing, well, you

576
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: suck this, you ain't that? And so when he made

577
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: the vapors all that it to me, it was like, Okay,

578
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: that was his moment. Yeah, that that was it. It's

579
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: like he did it like he he traveled outside of

580
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: Long Island into like the Bronx, and he would come

581
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: back with a he had a notepad of records. Yo,

582
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: you got this record he had all written down. I

583
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: guess like things he was flying out from other DJs.

584
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: It never changes, it ship never changes with Biz. Right,

585
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 5: He's still the same person. I got it still you

586
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: do you do you believe his Mardy Gross story?

587
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: What the what the Mary was it?

588
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: The forty five without the bells on, without the bells

589
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: on it.

590
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: You know what's so weird? We just want to believe it.

591
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: He mixes up with you know, falsity, he's with the reality.

592
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: So it's it's so hard to kind of like it

593
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: reminds me of an offense to what was that show

594
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: that was on Netflix? Oh, get down to get down,

595
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: like it was some random like magical crap with real stuff. Right,

596
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: That's that's bit, you know what I'm saying, Like, he's

597
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: that dude you gonna so you mix it up together

598
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: and you don't know what it is. And then he

599
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: will bring that record that Mighty Gras with no Belsie, like,

600
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: oh my god, I thought he was sorry telling But

601
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: then he'll live out something else that's just so far

602
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: that you might think it's true, but it's love.

603
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 10: And then he get loud about it, like what you're saying,

604
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 10: son is true.

605
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 4: Somebody you ask ask quest love, ask him, Yes, you'll

606
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: get him on. Call him right now, tell him, tell

607
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: him what I got. Yes, you are nailing it on.

608
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: I've noticed since I was what freaking fourteen, you know,

609
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: I wanted to call him. Bus Ones came in to

610
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: me once. Now I think of anything I've collected.

611
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: I know soulitering the best, so you can't get me

612
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: on no sultrying trivia whatsoever. And business is trying to

613
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: convince me. Quest I got an episode of James Brown

614
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: doing Funky President with the drum break extended in the

615
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: beginning for like a minute before.

616
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: He says funk.

617
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 5: I got that question, and at some point you're just like,

618
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: all right, okay, I believe quest I got that.

619
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that sounds about him speaking of soul training

620
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: that that means you have the episode with Captain Sky

621
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: on it.

622
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Yes I do. I remember I seen that one time

623
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: when it came on.

624
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: Yes I have, which is weird because he wasn't even

625
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 5: introduced at the top of the show, so you wouldn't

626
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: know that Captain Sky was on Soul Training. Who was

627
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: Captain Scott super sperb oh supersperb oh okay god, but.

628
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: He wasn't saying super sper no, hell no.

629
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Get away with that. Like part of me was like,

630
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: it's so blatantly out there. Maybe like they spelled it

631
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: sporm right, yeah, I thought some like uh, some spacey references, yo,

632
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Like that was a great.

633
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 10: Thank you sir, I got you. I got you like

634
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 10: that was great way for my sound face.

635
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I'm sorry I had to sound effect.

636
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I let that blanqu up.

637
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: Okay.

638
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, so.

639
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: You said Sets the Sonic started.

640
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: In eighty four.

641
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: Well, I joined them around eighty probably end eighty three,

642
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: eighty four, because I think I was in the I

643
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: was in eleventh grade, I think, yeah, started eleventh grade.

644
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Somewhere in eleventh grade, so that was probably around eighty four,

645
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: so they were already established.

646
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. When I met them. In the group was a

647
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: guy named I think it's Grand Supreme Delight Daddy O

648
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: and Wise had just joined the group a week before

649
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: and they just had battled or some contests and the

650
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: Mister Magic Rap Attack thing in Cony Island and they

651
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: had won. And part of the deal, I think the

652
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: prize was a record deal with sugar Hill. Oh my god,

653
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: whoa and and you know apparently that didn't that didn't

654
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: materialize out I'm like, damn, yeah, that was nothing part

655
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: of part of the deal. And I met I met them,

656
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: like I said, a week after that happened, and then

657
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: became their DJ, which was which was amazing.

658
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: Okay, So for those that are kind of underage that

659
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: are listening to the show. It should be noted.

660
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 10: I don't know what you meant when you said under age,

661
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 10: because you're up there with us.

662
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: I know you're not U.

663
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just put it back down in her twenties. Anyway,

664
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 5: for those that are listening, it's me noted that uh

665
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 5: Paul was a member of Statsu Sonic, the very first

666
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: noted hip hop band.

667
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, now I first heard of you guys.

668
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 5: Via Philly, where there was no Latin Quarter experience or

669
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: anything of that nature, and Spin magazine, so I'm reading

670
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 5: that you guys were banned. It's weird though, because even now,

671
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: besides maybe the video for Nobs Allowed, that's the only

672
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 5: visual I have of you guys being a band. Like

673
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 5: it's did you guys not invest in camera equipment back

674
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 5: in the day, like with your advanced Like I can't

675
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: find one that's of Sonic performance on but everyone like

676
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: Chuck d will swear to God that you had to

677
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 5: have been there to see it.

678
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was certain, you know, Like, are there no

679
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 4: performances on tape that you own? Or yeah, I don't

680
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: have any because I remember the tour. Probably what Chuck

681
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: d is talking about because I know when it was

682
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: at the quarters, there weren't it wasn't set up for

683
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: us to you know, have a drum kit and have

684
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 4: you know, certain things. So it's usually like two turntables.

685
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: But when we were on man was it the Deaf

686
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 4: Jam Tour. I can't remember what tour, but at some

687
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: point we were starting to travel like with the drum kit,

688
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: DBC on the keys and me on the turntable. Wise

689
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 4: on the human beat box. But you know, back then,

690
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: especially being in an open and act, nobody wanted to

691
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: like cater to having a band, you know what I'm saying.

692
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: So so so you have a drum tech and no man,

693
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: it was like, oh you got drums all because they

694
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 4: used to just meant miney. Back then, DJs brought their

695
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 4: own turntables. You brought there was no backline you know

696
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: what brought everything. So it's like to bring it in

697
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: and to have it set up and then go from

698
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: place the place to place to place. They were like,

699
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: this is this is not practical for us and you

700
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: guys are only an opening band, you know group, So

701
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: so we always had to kind of cut down. But

702
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: in cases where we're able to have our whole setup.

703
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 4: That's why you probably see anything. It was limited in

704
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: that case because it was usually opening act. I remember

705
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 4: on the Death Jamp tour was us in public Enemy

706
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 4: opening up, you know, and we shared a bus together.

707
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: That shows how how.

708
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: You know it's a lot of.

709
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: Hold twelve Ye look man, it was public adity and

710
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 4: and stetisnic. I mean that's how much you know we were,

711
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: you know, Katie are the small guys of course, you

712
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 4: know you got lud Jadjy, Jeff Fresh Prince, you know

713
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: ver b rock Hill. Yeah, you know in the case

714
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: you run DMC, but you know productions would come in

715
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's like, oh man, it got the nice stuff.

716
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 4: Like I said, it's between the Yougo and the Masa Rot.

717
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing what a couple of hit records

718
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: will do. It definitely put you up the ladder the

719
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: food chain slightly. So how do you how do you feel?

720
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: The one thing that we've learned on the show is

721
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: that this drum roll.

722
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: Meant hydro chain. What oh man?

723
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: That was like the according to everyone that's been on

724
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 5: the show that was old enough to be at the

725
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: Latin Quarter.

726
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that this was the national anthem for.

727
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: The said it was three records this one and like yeah, yeah,

728
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: we get we get real violent in the Latin quarters.

729
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: It's like, but I mean for that for ghost stats

730
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: and who produced that?

731
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: Actually it's well, it's going to be disputed. DBC came

732
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: up with the concept. He had rank rank rank, you know,

733
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 4: using open the tome zones, right, and then Daddy Oh

734
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: came up with the idea of putting the live drums

735
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 4: behind it. So it was a collaboration of those two gentlemen.

736
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: Who is whose Go Brooklyn? Is that?

737
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: Which is weird because it's like it's that's probably the

738
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: most iconic part of that, I mean of the song.

739
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean besides the lyrics.

740
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 8: And you know.

741
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: Drums, yes, oh that's all of us. That's you know,

742
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: so my voice isn't a lot of those random hip

743
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: hop records somewhere buried underneath Go Brooklyn Brooklyn. So how

744
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: do you edge your ideas? And you're.

745
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Like, are you giving a say?

746
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 5: Or it's like six of you and I can imagine

747
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 5: all right, you remember if you remember Torri's Brooklyn Prince

748
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: when he spoke of okay, So Tory wrote a book

749
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 5: on Prince. Yeah, I'm no, no, But I mean the

750
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 5: one thing that you could really learn from that book

751
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: was was how the generations work. And when Prince is

752
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 5: opening for the Rolling Stones, he gets booed mercilessly because

753
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 5: Prince a baby boomer born in nineteen fifty eight. Baby

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 5: boomer is of course between like thirty eight to fifty

755
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: eight sixty one give or take.

756
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: That. Prince can't transuh.

757
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: Translate his vision to baby boomers, but who have a

758
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 5: better time doing it to generation next sixty one to

759
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 5: eighty two.

760
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 4: So I almost feel like in stets of Sonic, were

761
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: you even? Because even.

762
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 5: On Blood the album Yeah Bus but No Tears, there

763
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: was a cut on side to h are you coming?

764
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah yeah, which was like would have been perfect

765
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: on a Dailight soul record, kind of out of place

766
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: on a stets of Sonic record. It's almost like your solo.

767
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: Joint because you know, I made it in the student

768
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: because we had extra time and I was being funny

769
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: and they're like, yeah, just put on the record, Like

770
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: are you sure all right? I'll do it? You know

771
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: why not? Yeah? You know, no, the song is done

772
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: and Paul's a sucker, and you know, there's a few

773
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: other songs, right.

774
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: And well, I'm saying that by that point, did you

775
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 5: have more leverage, because it's like, well, Prince Paul, you

776
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 5: know my producer, and.

777
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: I think part of it a little bit is leverage,

778
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: and not like it was onaned. Like I like my

779
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: position and sets the sonic of being the DJ and

780
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 4: producing some songs, and I like the idea of collaboration.

781
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: When it's collaboration, you know what I'm saying, as opposed

782
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: to kind of like.

783
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 4: We're gonna take off some scratches and I'm gonna put

784
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: this and you know that where it gets a little touchy,

785
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 4: you know, but when we're all working together collectively as

786
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: one mind and kind of making something. Those are the

787
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 4: first two records, you know what I'm saying. Clearly, it's

788
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: just started getting weird as the third record came around.

789
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: And you know what's weird is like we never broke up,

790
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: Like we just never we just stopped talking to each other,

791
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: so it was never official breakup. It was just like,

792
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: I mean, all the way from the eighties to now,

793
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: with the exception maybe frou Kuan leaving the group, like

794
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: we've never broke up, you know, it's just it's a

795
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: question you just kind of just and they're still together. Yeah, yeah,

796
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: we just kind of just drifted away. Yeah, then that's

797
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: what it's been. But but the the just to answer that,

798
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 4: how to get my say was Dayla soul. You know

799
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: what I'm saying Like that was my ability to kind

800
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: of really kind of do what I wanted to do,

801
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: which was nice. It was nice.

802
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 9: Daylight was the three feet High was eighty nine, right,

803
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 9: And then I'm trying to just put together the time

804
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 9: of that sonic when was I think eighty eighty right, okay?

805
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: And the on Fire was eighty six eighty six? Yeah,

806
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: So I want to take a guess, because it's really

807
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: not listed on the album. Did you produce TV see

808
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: let the music play?

809
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 7: No?

810
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: No, DBC did that.

811
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: Damn.

812
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 5: Of course I wouldn't even figure that his own namesake

813
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 5: would were producing.

814
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: Did you do music for the step wee insane? Of course?

815
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: You know what makes me mad as ship? Now this

816
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: is gonna punch me.

817
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 5: No, no, no no, this this goes out to Armine

818
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 5: who owns all the Westbound stuff? Lady, Yeah, yeah, when

819
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: the Atmosphere's sample from Funkadelic.

820
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: Bernie Warrel can't beat him.

821
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now in the in the new.

822
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 5: Like if you buy the reissued CD or you listen

823
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 5: on on streaming, the first twenty seconds of that song

824
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: is just cut off abruptly.

825
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: Why did he do that?

826
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 5: It basically starts off good evening and I'm like, where's

827
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 5: the Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

828
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: It's like nowhere to be found. Also, speaking of which,

829
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: on three ft High and Rising, uh, what's more, starts

830
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: off with pluck two. It doesn't start off with mercy, like,

831
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't start.

832
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: Off there's three seconds clipped off of it.

833
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: And also on Brain Wants to Be a Follower, it

834
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: just starts with.

835
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: Like yeah, it's just like you know, it's like the

836
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: first five seconds of the song is just cut off

837
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 5: and it just starts that way.

838
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: Whoever was making the IDs didn't know what they were doing.

839
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: Or I'm just thinking that the tape was damaged or something.

840
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: But even for what's more that they don't need to

841
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: cut that off.

842
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't think they cut it off on purpose, Like

843
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: obviously maybe somebody was paying attention exactly, so just make

844
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: sure that you know, but you did music with the

845
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: stepinitely insane, Yeah, Okay, did you do pen and paper?

846
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew it.

847
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I had the sequential Tom drum machines.

848
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: I still have.

849
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 4: I love that drum machine.

850
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: So how were you with operating that equipment? Like are you.

851
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: Was it just a learning process or I'm trying to

852
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 5: find one person from that period that like actually read

853
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: the man you want to know how to make drum beats?

854
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: And oh no, you didn't read anything. I mean, I mean,

855
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: I mean for me, if you're thinking of the process

856
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: was as soon as grand Master Flash had a beat

857
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: box on Flash into the beat he said, oh my god,

858
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: what is that?

859
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get one of those. And you can never

860
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: get that one. So you got a rhythm machine.

861
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: Then from a rhythm machine, so you find something else programmable,

862
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: and you know, went on and on, and that was

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: for me. You know, it's like my friend was selling

864
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: a sequential Tom, which I couldn't afford a DX at

865
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: the time or DMX at the time.

866
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: I got that.

867
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: It had to reverse button converse the drums, and you know,

868
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: that was it. That's how I learned how to program.

869
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: You know how drummers are, especially back then, it's like

870
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: a car. I hate compare to the car. But you know,

871
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: your lights are on one side in a car, but

872
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: it's on a dash and another car. But it's the

873
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: same function but in different places. So drum machines are

874
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: technically all the same, but just different buttons and different locales.

875
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: You know. So once you figured out one, you kind

876
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: of figured out the other thing. And you might have

877
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: to look at the mandal for one thing. Like there's

878
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: no going to the YouTube, you know, just see the tutorial,

879
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: you know, you had to, Like, man, somebody didn't know.

880
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: You looked it up, you know, and you read it.

881
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: Besides uh, well, speaking of equipment, besides uh, strictly, Dan ducky,

882
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 5: did you ever use that Cassio SK one for anything?

883
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: You used the school board crush? Oh we did?

884
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: That was SK five, That was I think that was

885
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 4: the upgraded versus. Yeah, I think Dave had that. That

886
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 4: was that was I think that was Dave's keyboard. Yea,

887
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: So did you.

888
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: Guys use that for anything else?

889
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: On because even on the MTV clip and I can

890
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 5: see that SK five there, I was like, oh shit,

891
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: they would us.

892
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: That's like some shit I had. Yeah, I love that

893
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 4: thing until it broke. Yeah, I still have it, man,

894
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: but it doesn't work. Yeah, I think, I don't know.

895
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

896
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: I think once we got into the regular studio, you know,

897
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 4: we kind of put that aside, you know, because then

898
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 4: you're able to loop with MIDI, so that that kind

899
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: of changed things. And and Simpty, which helped a whole lot.

900
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: So let's go to Dayla.

901
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: What was it about them that attracted you that you

902
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 5: knew or did you know like, Okay, this is gonna

903
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: be the next generation.

904
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: Because I think we both thought out of the box.

905
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: I think for me in Steti Sonic, which man, it

906
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 4: is a blessing. It was my start and I learned

907
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: everything from you know, I learned a lot from Daddy.

908
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Oh I won't lie about that, Like he's taught me

909
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: a lot and.

910
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: To have that.

911
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: But I've always just made bizarre, quirky stuff.

912
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: I remember p Fine I had his radio show rap this.

913
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: I did this spoof one. It was during such a

914
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: sonic time.

915
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 7: It was a.

916
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: Parody of What's Colt forty five Billy d Williams then,

917
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: and so that was me being silly but didn't fit

918
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: within stet Go Brooklyn. So I was always there, you

919
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm say Stephanie and say it's always there,

920
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 4: so with daylight. How the way they rhymed and there,

921
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: I guess the way they heard music was the way

922
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: I heard music, and the way I you know, thought

923
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: of like, Okay, this is entertaining, this is fun, is

924
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 4: the way they thought of it. And I think for

925
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: me with them, even though it was in them, my

926
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: job was to bring it more out and make them

927
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: more comfortable and embracing that being different, you know, say,

928
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: like they were all magnative, like let's do it, do it,

929
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: So why didn't you just join the group?

930
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: Because I still consider you, like when it's rock and

931
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: roll Hall of Fame time, to me, you're billy pressed

932
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: and of it and really even the moment that without

933
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: you and your ideas and your input, those albums wouldn't

934
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: be what they were.

935
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I mean it's

936
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: it's a definitely collaborative effort. I mean I didn't join.

937
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't know like they always you know, I remember

938
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: in those days, I was like, well you always considered

939
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 4: like a member, you like plug for blah blah blah,

940
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: but my whole thing and this is gonna be weird

941
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: was instead to sonic. I felt like I couldn't be me,

942
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: and so I was probably just doing the polar opposite

943
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: of with day Ala. I was like, I want you

944
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: guys be you. I'm gonna teach how to work the

945
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: equipment after the first record, you're gonna make the next

946
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: record on your own. I'm gonna teach you as much

947
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: as I know you're gonna be able to be as

948
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: creatively free as you possibly be. And that was my intention,

949
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 4: you know, And part of that is is just looking

950
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 4: from the outside, and nor did I know this record

951
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: would be that successful. I would tell them when we're

952
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 4: making it, you know we're gonna go goal right, because

953
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 4: that was always you know we're gonna go but just

954
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: to make you really you didn't really believe it. I

955
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: didn't know what would happen. I mean, I remember Dave's

956
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: brother Mike would go, you know, when we was making

957
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 4: three ft High Rising, I don't know who's gonna like

958
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: this record. It's really really.

959
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Bizarre and different, and he's like, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 9: How did y'all meet each other in West Philly? Was

961
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 9: the label the label Hookiller or how did you guys meet.

962
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: Meet me and me and me. That's fair. I love

963
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: telling the story. Uh, Macio, he's working with this dude

964
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: named Gangster B who lived around our way, and he

965
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: was making a record for mister Collins. Ever Collins, who

966
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: was uh, was playing drums for the Ossi Brothers at

967
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 4: the time, and mister Collins was also a music teacher

968
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: at the junior High school Ameville, and he started this

969
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: record label and his first artist on his label was

970
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: Gangster B. And so Macio was Gangster B's DJ. I

971
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: was the guy in the neighbor who made a record

972
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 4: because I was with sets of sonics. So they asked

973
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 4: me to program beat. And the beat I programmed was

974
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 4: I had to sequential tom. It was a reverse beat.

975
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 4: It sounded too much like like oh. And I was like,

976
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: we can't do this. It's like do it. We can't.

977
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: And that was the debate, and Masie could see me

978
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: getting frustrated. He's like, yo, I have a group, and

979
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: I think, you know, if whatever you want to do,

980
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: we'll work with you. I was like, okay, good. He's like,

981
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: I'll bring the tape by later in the day. It

982
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: was a bad dad the next day and he brought

983
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: by a real rough of Pluck Tunic, and my mind

984
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: was blown.

985
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: I was like, that was pre made.

986
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

987
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: I was like, were you guys old enough or not

988
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: that your children?

989
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 5: Were you old enough to remember the name that sample

990
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 5: contest that Tommy Boy had with pluck Tuning?

991
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, Like I don't need.

992
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: It's weird because they had a lot of Internet ideas,

993
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 5: the viral ideas that were out before the Internet. But

994
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 5: there would be like random stickers and the ads in

995
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: occasional ride on sometimes in Billboard like name that sample,

996
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: Like I think we were trying to.

997
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 10: You gotta mail that in.

998
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

999
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: It was like during the days of that death all right,

1000
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: raising who called that? I wanted to I was afraid

1001
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: of my father. Yeah, But I think the gem of

1002
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: it was that.

1003
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 5: I think they were trying to just pimp the fact

1004
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: that use the Liberachi sample in the beginning, because I'm

1005
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 5: thinking about the Midnight the Midnight Loop and the uh,

1006
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 5: what's the sample?

1007
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 4: I can't call I.

1008
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Won't say.

1009
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: Your quest love you know everything.

1010
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Music, it's brainfort time anyway.

1011
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I thought that's what they were trying to

1012
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: allude to, and I was like, Liberachi. But then I

1013
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 5: realized at the beginning of the album version and now

1014
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 5: I want to reach back and man and all the

1015
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: world of music, like the intro right right right, which

1016
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 5: I thought in their way, like are they just trying

1017
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 5: to tell like white people like this group is real

1018
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 5: deep because there's a Liberaci.

1019
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: Let me take just quickly about that Liberachi sample. It

1020
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: was sequencing the record. I bet a place called Island

1021
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: Media and Long Island, and I was like, that's how

1022
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: I came up with the idea of putting the skits

1023
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: in between the songs. I was like, man, I got

1024
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to link all these ideas

1025
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: and songs together. I think we made the skits and

1026
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: then they had a Liberachi cassette and I was like,

1027
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: can I see that? Can I play that? And I

1028
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: heard his voice like ooh, let's put that.

1029
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: In the beginning. It wasn't really that elaborative thought.

1030
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: It was just whatever. It's like, you know whatever. Those

1031
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: records were all m Guy Ford. It wasn't like it

1032
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: was like kind of sat there and we were just like, yeah,

1033
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: we're gonna pre plan a lot of this live was like, okay,

1034
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: what's around us, let's look at that.

1035
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: Let me not take for granted.

1036
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: Also again for our listeners that are getting familiar with

1037
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: Prince Paul, I'll say that probably the contribution that he

1038
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 5: is really noted for in the world of production is

1039
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 5: really turning your listening experience into.

1040
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: I won't even say a.

1041
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: Three dimensional I don't know how to explain it, Like

1042
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 5: it was movies without visuals, Like you introduced the idea

1043
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 5: of sketches and skits experience, and you somehow found adhesives to.

1044
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: Glue all those songs together.

1045
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 5: Not to mention besides, I mean, I know that Public

1046
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 5: Enemy was the first to do interludes and have more

1047
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: than the traditional ten songs on the record, but you

1048
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 5: guys were going overboard with like twenty three, twenty.

1049
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 4: Four, twenty five, So that was by design that idea.

1050
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like you saw nation of millions like, oh,

1051
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: we can go past sixteen songs. You know what I did,

1052
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: It was this is the junior mar marketing brain of

1053
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: Paul at twenty or twenty one at the time.

1054
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: Was let's hear it.

1055
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, you know what, everybody wants more

1056
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: bank for that buck. Even though these are little skits

1057
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: and all these other things. We're all label them as songs.

1058
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 4: So when you look on the back of that regular

1059
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: colic holy songs, I got that and that's the reason

1060
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 4: why I did just the bluck people out.

1061
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 5: And guess which dwead. This dwee right here was like,

1062
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 5: oh my god, five jams. And that's weird because even

1063
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: even you know, the first three four Roots records are

1064
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 5: like up in the nineteenes and twenties. I'm you know,

1065
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 5: Rich was like, you know, dog, we got twelve songs.

1066
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: We're done. I'm like, no, man, we gotta have inelus.

1067
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: Give them more money, you know, like make bank for

1068
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: the fuck. You look at it as a consumer, You're like, oh,

1069
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: this is all right, because records weren't cheat, you know

1070
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1071
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: But the thing with the Daylight Records is that you

1072
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 5: really captured the teenage spirit of just I don't know

1073
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 5: what it was. It's like you want it to be there.

1074
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 5: It was almost like a documentary where like all those

1075
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 5: inside jokes that we didn't know, he has a bunch

1076
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 5: of them, and it became part of our slang we

1077
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 5: didn't know, and you gotta explain what Crocker means.

1078
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: But it's just how.

1079
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 5: How are you documenting this stuff because some of the

1080
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 5: stuff I can see like Okay, we're in the studio, okay,

1081
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 5: and press and then we start doing a skit, which

1082
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 5: is like, okay, well they're making a skit, but it

1083
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: sounds so natural of the moment, like shit like.

1084
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: Or even then oh yeah, yeah, boy, yeah, that's that's

1085
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: that's that. Yeah, that's all Dave Man skipped to loot.

1086
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 5: So you would just keep a cassette running and live

1087
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 5: MIC's were always in the studio and because some of

1088
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 5: that stuff just sounds like it was just of the

1089
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 5: moment and there's no way to recreate this stuff.

1090
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: And that's what it is. It's like I say, record everything,

1091
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: keep every thing, you know what I'm saying, even though

1092
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: tape was expensive at the time, but a lot of

1093
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 4: stuff was either after the song went off or before

1094
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 4: the song came on those moments. So for Daylight so

1095
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 4: was dead.

1096
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 5: Did you guys just have accessible h slick Rick, I

1097
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: can't be your lover like just on standby in case,

1098
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 5: like you know, even now I'll have like sound effects, yeah,

1099
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 5: like who had that stuff on standby.

1100
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: To just it was just you know, you ever have

1101
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: like within your group of friends a joke that just

1102
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: won't die, you know. Yeah, it's called quest Love Supreme.

1103
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's all it is is just take

1104
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: it at you know, the one joke that won't die

1105
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: and just keeping it on deck, you know what I'm saying,

1106
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: Like eventually, some point you're gonna have to unplug the

1107
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: drum machine, like at the beginning of the day, are

1108
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: you like, Okay, let me cue up that slick rick

1109
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: and play some funny shit happens and keep the tape rolling.

1110
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: And no, that's was. Yeah, it's kind and honestly, I

1111
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 4: don't even I can't even tell you what the thought

1112
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 4: is behind. It's just being dumb, you know what I'm saying.

1113
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 4: It's not even like I can't even like sit and say,

1114
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 4: well I thought of it was just like look at this. Okay, Paul,

1115
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 4: that's enough. That's that's that's not funny. But listen, which

1116
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm still like that to this very day, which I

1117
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: think eventually caused our demise and not working. That's to

1118
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: be honest, man, Like you know they grew up. I didn't.

1119
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: You know, I'm still the same twenty one year old kid,

1120
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: you know.

1121
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: But it's exactly it's the way it was. You know,

1122
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention Bob Power.

1123
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 5: I can assume that working with him on the step record,

1124
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Bob, that you instantly brought him aboard to

1125
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 5: work with you on the daylight stuff.

1126
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: Where this is how it worked back in those days,

1127
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: was you go to the studio and oh, I'm doing

1128
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: your session today. Wow.

1129
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: And then eventually it would go someone that Tommy Boy

1130
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: like just.

1131
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's whoever, yeah, where was there at calliope,

1132
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: who's ever working at the time, would do whatever that

1133
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 4: session was. And then usually if it's an engineer who

1134
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: likes what you do, they'll they'll stick around. They'll go, oh, man,

1135
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: I like this, I want to come to the next one.

1136
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: You know, if my schedule permits, I'm gonna do your

1137
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: next session.

1138
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 5: So it was never you know, you were thinking like, Okay,

1139
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: this guy has such a forward thinking, sonic genius about him,

1140
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 5: and we must have him on this record for it.

1141
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously there's engineers that some were better than others,

1142
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 4: but you know, when you're paying forty dollars an hour,

1143
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: he's just trying to get whoever could get the job

1144
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 4: done at the time. You know what I'm saying. I mean,

1145
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: you know, the brains of Bob Power is evident because

1146
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: you know you work with him, obviously, and I tried

1147
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 4: to learn as much as I could from him. I

1148
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 4: remember when I wasn't set to Sonic. He might not

1149
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 4: remember this, but I was taking audio engineering at the time,

1150
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: and and I would just sit there and just watch him,

1151
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 4: like closely.

1152
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: And he looked at me.

1153
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: He looked at said, you never learned anything by watching me.

1154
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 4: Very disheartening. So which made me, in a sense, go,

1155
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: I'll show you. Of course, I'm not never as nice

1156
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 4: as Bob Power, but it was incentive, you know what

1157
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And yeah, he came aboard like a lot

1158
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 4: of the other projects, you know, along with my Manscottie Hart,

1159
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 4: and there's a few other people, okay, and Sue in

1160
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: the house.

1161
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: Sue Sue in the house right right right. Oh, she

1162
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: was an assistant engineer.

1163
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 4: She she was like, I don't know, it's like whoever

1164
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: was there. It's like I'm the engineer, Like, okay, you know,

1165
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: never had a female engineer before. But hey, man, you're

1166
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 4: you're on the payrolls. Get done.

1167
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 5: See an hour two princes working with two female engineers.

1168
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 5: See how in God's name did you record that record

1169
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 5: for under twenty five thousand dollars?

1170
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: Which one three feet high and rising?

1171
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: Oh, it's called taking that that that shift from twelve

1172
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: to four in the morning at the studio when the

1173
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: when it's thirty dollars an hour.

1174
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's called buying your own

1175
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: reel of reels, which when you buy.

1176
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: Studios like what one hundred and fifty bucks, you buy

1177
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 4: it at the at the tape spot for like one

1178
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 4: hundred bucks. Use sometimes you don't use ampegs, use ag

1179
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 4: for you know what I'm saying.

1180
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: You find ways to serious man, there's other.

1181
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 10: Real wait, real dummy question.

1182
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 7: When you get that you said twenty five thousand, right, yes,

1183
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 7: when you get that twenty five, that's your twenty five

1184
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 7: to make the album. It doesn't have to spread to

1185
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 7: anybody else as well.

1186
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: That's how we the entire budget.

1187
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 10: That that's us, That's what I'm trying to understand.

1188
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: It just being paid, that's us using studio. That's whatever's left.

1189
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm sure this episode the question of Supreme course about

1190
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 5: twenty five thousands.

1191
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 10: I need a raise. But wait, so that means that

1192
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 10: like y'all had to eat off of that too as well.

1193
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 4: That's why you worked regularly jobs. You see how skinny is. Wait,

1194
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: do you have a regular job while you're doing this? Yeah? Yeah,

1195
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 4: I mean all through such a sonic. I was in college,

1196
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: I had a part time job. Yeah, I worked through everything. Man.

1197
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: You know it's because you know, I looked at it,

1198
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 4: at least me personally, like fat boys run DMC, like

1199
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: you know, this was ANLL.

1200
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: Those guys would make money.

1201
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1202
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it as for fun as a hobby,

1203
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1204
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: I love music.

1205
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: Whatever comes out comes out.

1206
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna take civil services to become a postman

1207
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: at some point, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's

1208
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 4: the reality of it. So it just so happened that

1209
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: my passion and probably I'm thinking because I didn't take

1210
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 4: it as serious as a lot of my contemporaries is.

1211
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: I just had a lot of fun with it, which

1212
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 4: kept it open, helped me be more creative, because I

1213
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 4: think if I was thinking of marketing and like you're

1214
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 4: just gonna bump into clubs, You're just gonna do this,

1215
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 4: it would have really restricted what I did.

1216
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: But I was just like, whatever, I'm gonna have to

1217
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: work with regular job anyway.

1218
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: Record that whatever, Yeah, little Roch, just know that is

1219
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I gotta get up and

1220
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: go to work. See you think about the end of

1221
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 4: three f on rising that you'll just I'll get it

1222
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 4: jobs some wearing. I mean that's what I thought. I mean,

1223
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: you know, even when the record came out, Okay, it

1224
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 4: was starting to gain some traction and all of a sudden, Wow,

1225
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 4: it was just cool and it just got to a

1226
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 4: point where it wasn't until not that record, but other

1227
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 4: work started coming in from me when I was like, man,

1228
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: I can't go work at I was working at a

1229
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 4: place called General Accident, which was which insurance company. It

1230
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 4: was an insurance company, insurance company. It was an insurance company.

1231
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: I was I just got I just graduated college, and

1232
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 4: I was in between those things. I remember I had

1233
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 4: bosses tell me, you know, I got called into it

1234
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: all this one time. I was I was working at

1235
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 4: a place that we uh, I was doing soldering. I

1236
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 4: was doing electrical boards because I took electronics in school,

1237
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 4: and so he called me.

1238
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I heard you doing this music thing.

1239
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 4: You have a choice. Paul could be here every day

1240
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: on time and be a part of our company and

1241
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 4: our growing family.

1242
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: We can follow this music dream that you're thinking about.

1243
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: We here a general accident.

1244
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 9: You know.

1245
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: This was before General Accident, and I was like, you know,

1246
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 4: I quit and I just kept it pushing, which was

1247
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: kind of rough because I need that money. It was

1248
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 4: a good job. I was paying like six dollars an hour.

1249
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: You know, it was good at the time.

1250
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.

1251
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 10: What was the record that changed your thoughts? Your thoughts

1252
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 10: on that?

1253
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: Like, oh, oh oh, I skipped the story as soon

1254
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 4: as work started coming in after three feet High Rise,

1255
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: and was when I was like, yo, I'm gonna have

1256
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 4: to take a leap of absence for maybe like a

1257
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 4: year and kind of ride this thing and produce.

1258
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: See what happens.

1259
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was Third Base and Big Daddy Kane and

1260
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 4: Queen Latifolds. Things started to really come in, and you know,

1261
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 4: and then Russell went become a manager and him and

1262
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 4: lyor so that that changed things. Like maybe two years,

1263
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 4: I'll go back and work.

1264
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus Christ, I forgot about Resident Mother Dodo Man Records.

1265
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 5: I totally forgot.

1266
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: All right.

1267
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 5: So at the time when quote we hate the song

1268
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 5: end quote becomes like a force to reckon with.

1269
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: Are you guys just be honest? Man, weren't you? Were

1270
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: you guys happy?

1271
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 5: Because I know this, I know the perception, and sometimes

1272
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 5: when you know there's there's thoughts on on.

1273
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 4: Dave's whole whole uh jaded. I got love David.

1274
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: It's weird though, because for me, Dave, true boy, Dave

1275
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: was like, in my mind, he was the the utopian

1276
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: peace child, like he was the original.

1277
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 4: Qu first face.

1278
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 10: Perception.

1279
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: I know this now, but well, actually Mason Pie punched

1280
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 4: in the face and and then David.

1281
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 5: Well, it's just that based on seeing the album cover

1282
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 5: like this is for me who never knew who you

1283
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 5: guys were. I was working at sam Goodies and this

1284
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 5: record comes.

1285
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 4: In dream job. Whish i'd Sam good change in my life.

1286
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: I think I got fired for stealing three f.

1287
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 4: Ris jury is still out.

1288
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm just saying that, you know,

1289
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: to see where we thought they were marketing and I

1290
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: felt for that marketing hook line and sinker to where

1291
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: they are now, which I don't know, but I'm just saying.

1292
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 5: What was their initial response to Me Myself and I.

1293
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 5: Was it like, oh shit, this is just number one.

1294
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 5: Was there was there a hug? Was there a smile?

1295
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 4: In order to answer that question, I have to kind

1296
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 4: of go back a little bit and say that Me

1297
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 4: Myself and I was the last song on that album,

1298
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 4: and it was prompted by Tom Suliman because he's like, yo.

1299
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: This record, this album is good.

1300
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: We just need a radio record.

1301
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: So automatically that prompted disdain from them, you know.

1302
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Like what we radio record? We got everything.

1303
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 4: And that's when me and Mace sat it down and

1304
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: we did the music for Me Myself and I. Because

1305
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, just catchy song, knee deep rock funk,

1306
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 4: DELK fan for life. We put it together. You know,

1307
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 4: they're like, all right, we're gonna take the rom style

1308
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 4: from Black as Black. This is Black as Black, It's

1309
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 4: black and Man record today. We're gonna do that Rohm style.

1310
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: Put it over that song. It was just kind of

1311
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: here you go to make Tom Suliman happy.

1312
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: Then it's a boo So that's why they hate this song.

1313
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 4: It was like, ah, we's kind of forced do this record.

1314
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 4: We have saw a big record, But how did that happen?

1315
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? It was the trick of

1316
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 4: the devil, like Twilight song me, I love the record, like,

1317
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 4: oh my god, cause I'm all a Funkadelics fan and

1318
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: me and Way Me and Maysy Will put it together.

1319
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 4: It was just like we did it quick.

1320
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: It was dope.

1321
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 7: But how dope is that that you made a record

1322
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 7: like he requested it and you made the exact thing

1323
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 7: he requested it and it was a hit, Because that's

1324
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 7: a hard process, like do you understand what a radio

1325
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 7: hit is?

1326
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 5: And plus it really wasn't established in a hip hop

1327
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 5: back in eighty eight eighty nine.

1328
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 4: Back then, like hip hop just discovered.

1329
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 5: And you know because three ft Ninred came out well

1330
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 5: January of eighty nine, so really you're talking to eighty eight.

1331
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 5: There really wasn't any thing like oh if I take

1332
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: this obvious thing from ten years ago and resell it,

1333
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 5: it'll work like that.

1334
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 10: That didn't be like Puffy that was the formula.

1335
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I would still think that even I hear it.

1336
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't like thinking like cynical, like oh,

1337
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 5: they're using this obvious shit like.

1338
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 4: It ain't a chick singing the hook well to Daylight.

1339
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 4: It was obvious and one thing you gotta unerstand abou daylight.

1340
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 4: And they might disagree with this, but I think it's

1341
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 4: part of the beauty and part of their artistry. Especially

1342
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 4: back then, there was a sense of arrogance, you know

1343
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, we're gonna do this

1344
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 4: this record. Oh god, everybody knows this, you know. It's

1345
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 4: just and that was kind of swept throughout all the

1346
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 4: native tongue, and that was the beauty of it. It

1347
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 4: was there was a certain arrogance to like, you do this,

1348
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 4: but we do this thing, you know what I'm saying,

1349
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 4: And that was part of it. That's why, you know,

1350
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: even though you know it was too obvious for them,

1351
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 4: you know, even though like say, no going certain songs

1352
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 4: here and there are obvious things, but that was just way.

1353
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 5: Was that my thought or was it like I thought

1354
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 5: you guys were just being clever shit and like, oh damn,

1355
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 5: you can rhyme over.

1356
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: I can't go for that.

1357
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, that that that was part of that

1358
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 4: was a record I had. And then other part that

1359
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 4: that with his face merce had put together pass had

1360
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 4: put together. It was his idea.

1361
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 5: Wait, I gotta ask some about say, were you the

1362
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 5: the anchor of saying no go? Because I have a

1363
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 5: production question. As far as I know, there's not an

1364
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 5: instrumental of I can't go for that out there yet.

1365
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 5: The part that you guys rhymed over would be the

1366
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 5: verse of I can't go for that, which has Daryl

1367
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 5: Hall singing on top of it. Where in the hell

1368
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 5: did you find four bars of do do do?

1369
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 4: Do? Do?

1370
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 7: Do?

1371
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 4: Do?

1372
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 7: Do?

1373
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: Do do No? That's the hook, you know, when.

1374
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 5: They say over the time, there's four bars of that

1375
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 5: that are clear that I can't find nowhere.

1376
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: And figuration you'd have to ask post that I'm gonna

1377
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 4: pass the buck and and and there's a there's a

1378
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 4: one two things on there at that if I disclose,

1379
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be they're gonna come after me. Doubt that

1380
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 4: thirty years later they're all, oh, trust me, they still

1381
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 4: come in trust.

1382
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 10: Me, I'm sure especially so you still get But then

1383
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 10: the pot that the.

1384
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 5: Reason Okay, well, you can choose not to answer this question,

1385
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 5: which is part two, Like, but I meant so, were

1386
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 5: you just doing this Google?

1387
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 4: I so like throw this in there, throw this and then,

1388
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 4: because like that's exactly what it is.

1389
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 5: But crossword puzzle mixes so brilliantly with it, Like it's

1390
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 5: rare to find two melodic samples that are the same

1391
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,440
Speaker 5: bp ms that also.

1392
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: Mixed together. Like I'll say that, say no, go if.

1393
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 5: Those who are familiar with my DJ and style and

1394
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 5: the fact that I mix songs in the same key

1395
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 5: with each other and all that stuff, like you're doing

1396
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 5: forward thinking there where it's like crossword puzzle. Okay, I'm

1397
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 5: using nerdy references whatever. Yes, well, I didn't want to

1398
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 5: call out Michael Jackson's a TV guards but thank you

1399
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 5: boss books.

1400
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: They can get on who sample dot Com look at. Yeah.

1401
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,919
Speaker 4: But which is which I might say, is it's somewhat

1402
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 4: inaccurate at times, just some things I seen and I'm like,

1403
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 4: that's not that. Oh yeah, I don't let it be

1404
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 4: wrong though, but I don't want to debate it because

1405
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 4: then just be quiet. I really use this, Yeah, I

1406
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 4: just this Beetles sample. Sometimes you gotta just you know,

1407
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 4: let it up.

1408
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: But it's well, okay again I'm thinking that you're like, okay, well,

1409
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: let me use something that's in the relative minor of

1410
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: something that major kid, right, that's what Okay, just cut

1411
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: me off there.

1412
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 5: I'm thinking too much. You just thought this was dope

1413
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 5: and let me mix it in there and what we

1414
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 5: did and it was beautiful.

1415
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: Man. I really miss those days. Is everybody had their

1416
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 4: little record collection and we go in and we add stuff. Oh,

1417
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 4: I think I have something to go with. Some part

1418
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 4: of it was by ear and that, you know, okay,

1419
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 4: and knowing your record collection and knowing parts and and

1420
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 4: you know, coming through records, and the other part of

1421
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 4: it is which nobody was doing back then. We was

1422
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 4: was pitch shifting.

1423
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 5: What was going to lead to My third question was

1424
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 5: that you were also some of those samples had to

1425
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 5: be readjusted leading to the original Buddy yeah, the Commodore

1426
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 5: shit and mix it with the the bo Deadley shit.

1427
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Okay, were you using that Yamaha, I know, the Yamaha

1428
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: thing out of Pitch.

1429
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 4: Shifter ESBX ninety I think it was. It was called

1430
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 4: SBX ninety. Yes, yeah, it was pitch shifting on that

1431
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 4: and resampling it and yeah, and taking it and kind

1432
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: of because you know, the thing is we want We

1433
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 4: knew it worked melodically, but it just didn't work in

1434
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 4: the right key, and a lot of it was just

1435
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 4: hitting the button. All right, that's right, and it was

1436
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 4: good sometimes having an engineer who had a musical background,

1437
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 4: he could go, well, I think it's in a genie

1438
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 4: minor with it, but.

1439
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 5: All right, can I just take six seconds of silence

1440
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 5: just to breathe? So all right, SBX ninety, thank you.

1441
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 4: But the thing, but the thing is, you know, part

1442
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 4: of the arrogance that I'll go back to that is

1443
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 4: that we actually thought, you know what I'm saying, like,

1444
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 4: it wasn't just going soop up this fun you know,

1445
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 4: drum break, which works, and that's hip hop, but we

1446
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 4: just took it to another let's pitch shift, let's do this,

1447
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 4: let's you know.

1448
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that's really thought about. Punius though, that's not arrogance,

1449
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, at least.

1450
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 4: You know, like I said, when I went to the studio,

1451
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, if we're gonna do it, let's

1452
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 4: just let's just do it. Let's just whatever imagination goes.

1453
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 4: That's where the limit is, and that's where we took it.

1454
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 5: See it speaks to me because usually beat makers after

1455
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 5: the three feet high, after the Nation of millions, three

1456
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 5: fig and Paul's boutique generation sees that, oh, sampling could

1457
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 5: go anywhere, then like a lot of us will recreate

1458
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 5: that stuff. When we first get drum scenes and I

1459
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 5: was like, wait, why is my ship blending like their ship?

1460
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 5: And then I'm suddenly realizing that you guys were pitched.

1461
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 5: I would ask engineers like, why isn't this the same key?

1462
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 5: And now I'm realizing that you were a pitch shifting

1463
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 5: the beauty of technology.

1464
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 4: Man.

1465
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we learned a lot of things in the

1466
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: studio and I'm not gonna lie.

1467
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 4: As a producer, I would go in there and because

1468
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 4: I think I feel like I'm like a coach, right,

1469
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 4: I had to go in and team riled up. We

1470
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 4: got with the Pistons and we gotta beat the Lakers.

1471
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I don't know how we're

1472
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: gonna do it. We're gonna figure it out. So I'm

1473
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 4: getting them all amped up. But in the process I'm learning,

1474
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, yeah, Paul, can we do Yeah, we

1475
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 4: could do it? How do I do that?

1476
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: Who's the bad guy?

1477
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 4: Though?

1478
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: And that I just didn't have to figure it out

1479
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: who's the bad guy?

1480
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 5: Cause if like if someone's like, yo, you know it

1481
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 5: really sound dope, funcky drummer like, and like, are you

1482
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 5: the final word on at least for three feet?

1483
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Are you the final word?

1484
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 4: And says, I don't know if this goes together with that,

1485
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 4: and we can't. You know what the final word is,

1486
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 4: put put it in there and if it works, it works.

1487
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 4: If it don't, it don't, And I live. That's how

1488
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 4: my production style has been from that point on. You know,

1489
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 4: It's like, even if you don't like an idea, I don't.

1490
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 4: I don't know until I hear it. It might not

1491
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 4: sound right in my head, and I can dispute it,

1492
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 4: but we can really argue. When there's the one and

1493
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 4: it's whack, it's without question.

1494
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 5: Can you give me an example of a song of which,

1495
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 5: like either Pasa or Dave or Mace was like, Yo,

1496
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 5: this shouldn't work, and then like you just let them

1497
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 5: hang themselves with their own rope?

1498
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 4: Man, I can't not offhand. I could tell you some

1499
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 4: things I put in that was black that I was like,

1500
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 4: that's not working. Was the beginning of plug tuning. It

1501
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 4: was like, hey god, it was recently it was going yo.

1502
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 4: Man principle Paul plugs in and give us a hype effect,

1503
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 4: and I go, yeah, let's try this. It corny, But

1504
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 4: after we recorded played it, it was good. In my head.

1505
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: It was like I were good man and we edited

1506
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: it down. So you have to audition ideas in front

1507
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: of a jury. I mean, that's so hard. It's not

1508
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: even in front of a jury.

1509
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 4: It's just like and just it harks back to steto

1510
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 4: sonic like and and low offense to the guys. But

1511
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: it was a learning process. Let's do nah, let's do nah.

1512
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, when I get my own group, we're gonna

1513
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 4: put everything in there. You'll see, all right. So, like

1514
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 4: I said, it was the polar opposite whatever I did. Instead,

1515
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 4: I want to just the hard core opposite in this group.

1516
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna treat them differently. And that's what I did.

1517
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 4: Let's put everything in there, put in there.

1518
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: Which leads to day Soul is Dead.

1519
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: Now.

1520
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 5: I actually think that's the better record of their Cannon.

1521
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 5: I mean, for me personally, that's my favorite one. That

1522
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 5: that album made my career.

1523
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: Wow, like that was.

1524
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 5: I Mean, I've had many a moment where it's like stop,

1525
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 5: stop your heart in its tracks and you stop what

1526
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 5: you're doing and you sit and you listen to it.

1527
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 5: But I mean, nothing will ever beat the Sunday that

1528
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 5: Jason Brown and I cut church to sit in his

1529
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 5: dad's card to listen to that record from Start the Fire.

1530
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 4: That means, I mean I saw my Lord.

1531
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: One that.

1532
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 5: Two Things one heavily bootleg before it came out. Everyone

1533
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 5: seemed to have a copy of this record before it

1534
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 5: came out. But you know, for people to talk about

1535
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 5: the darkness of it, I don't see it.

1536
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: I think it's even more humor, more zanier, more funny,

1537
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: more samples, more creative. I mean, for God's sakes, you

1538
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: guys got the cover Rolling Stone for this record.

1539
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 4: So it's like that was a tough record though, man,

1540
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: and I say, you don't have good times than thinking

1541
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 4: about it? No, No, I mean it was all my

1542
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 4: Daylight Records to have their own experiences and was fun,

1543
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 4: you know. But I think in the sense of that man,

1544
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: after those guys won their first tour and they got

1545
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, because all of a sudden, everybody beating everybody up,

1546
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 4: you guys, it went from like from zero to one

1547
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 4: hundred for them, like black you know, they were like

1548
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, platoons Q powers Q also like, oh my god,

1549
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 4: you know you just got this number one record all

1550
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 4: around the world.

1551
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 5: How did you feel about that? Which you never answered

1552
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 5: that question. What was the feeling once you guys went platinum?

1553
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 4: And uh, it was like whoa, you know what I'm saying.

1554
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 4: Everything moves so quick. It's like you don't have time

1555
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 4: to really acknowledge it because all it is is more

1556
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: work coming in.

1557
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1558
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 4: It was when time sit back and just really think about,

1559
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 4: eh man, I made it. You know, it's it's like whoa, Okay,

1560
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 4: it's to keep it pushing, you know. And I think

1561
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 4: for them, it was just a lot of pressure, you know,

1562
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 4: be here, be there, do this interview, do this.

1563
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: We need more daisies around you, you know what I'm saying.

1564
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 4: And the more that was pushed upon them, the more

1565
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 4: they rebelled and the more they got like what das

1566
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 4: you know?

1567
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: So it by the time the second record.

1568
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 4: Came around, I remember I remember, you know, being at

1569
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 4: meetings with the label with Tommy Boy and Dave and

1570
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 4: and Pas going, you know, the label say why don't

1571
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: you do whatever? No, no, we'll just quit, We'll quit

1572
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 4: what like it was like quit, you can't quit. Yeah,

1573
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 4: we'll quit.

1574
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that, We'll just quit, which was.

1575
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: Which was just you know, it was just they were

1576
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 4: just angry, you know what I'm saying, and and understandably

1577
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 4: so like you know, I guess just seeing I guess

1578
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 4: one getting used to the demands, you know, having a

1579
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,480
Speaker 4: label push certain ideas on them. I guess the expectations

1580
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: of now the world's expecting so much. They had to

1581
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 4: build up their their show because remember, I don't know,

1582
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 4: in the earlier shows they weren't as received.

1583
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: It's like nowadays, wait to come out.

1584
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 4: It was like people like you're showin' good as that record,

1585
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 4: they were getting booed. I mean in some places, you know,

1586
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 4: they had to build up, so it would like said,

1587
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 4: it was a lot quick for them to kind of

1588
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 4: catch up to. So by the time the second record

1589
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 4: came around, you know, you know, beating up people in

1590
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: the records, it was you know, it was a ring

1591
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 4: ring rig, it was you know, it was a lot

1592
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 4: of that vibe. But the part that I really respect

1593
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 4: about it is they it was still creative because what

1594
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 4: they were going through, they didn't like you know, they

1595
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: wrote about whatever they were dealing with.

1596
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: And I tried to and I try to make it happy.

1597
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1598
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 4: My thing was like, all right, guys, I understand you.

1599
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: Let me let me sprinkle some of this on top

1600
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 4: of it to kind of give it this kind of

1601
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 4: so it's like evil.

1602
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 5: So if you weren't there, how dark could they saw

1603
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 5: as dead have gotten if you weren't really.

1604
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 4: Throwing in the silly Yeah, I think I don't know, honest, No, no, no, not.

1605
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 5: So like but he's gonna b K lounge like how

1606
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 5: like whose idea? Like where's the where's the where's the genesism?

1607
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 4: Man? That I have to give them the credit for

1608
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 4: that because of piecing together all the different music and stuff.

1609
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 4: But it it was just man, like I said, we

1610
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 4: would sit down and talk during that time, and you know,

1611
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 4: I'd hear all stories about the road and just and

1612
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 4: be like, oh, now, mind you you're you're arrogant to

1613
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 4: begin with.

1614
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: Now through all the fame and all like the really

1615
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 1: you really want me to do this?

1616
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 4: You really? You know, just like when they had that

1617
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 4: sign you're pissing us off with your photos or whatever

1618
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 4: that that you know right right right there with that guy.

1619
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,959
Speaker 4: You've seen him out the Grammy's first grade, just like right, smirking,

1620
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 4: like why we're here, that's them, you.

1621
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 5: Know, do you think it's it's the guilt of not

1622
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 5: wanting to look like they're enjoy it. I always figure

1623
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 5: that there's a judge and jury in the head. And

1624
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 5: usually again with most with the smart end of Black culture,

1625
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 5: especially with the music is concerned, there's a lot of

1626
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 5: overthinking and usually that turns into sabotage and next thing,

1627
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 5: you know, it's fifteen years before your next comes out

1628
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 5: and all this other stuff. So well, yeah, I mean

1629
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 5: I don't need to name names. Just think of who's

1630
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 5: not released the record between eight to fifteen years. That's

1631
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 5: because they don't have a Prince Paul, right, they don't

1632
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 5: have a that's not named Shy. That's because there's no

1633
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 5: Prince Paul in their lives to say, like, you're overthinking.

1634
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 4: It, just you know, just do whatever you feel is right.

1635
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 4: Whatever I always say, your first thought is your God thought.

1636
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 4: You know, everything else beyond that is you just analyzing

1637
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 4: and taking external things to be learned to add to it.

1638
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 4: So whatever you feel is is the right thing that

1639
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 4: even goes with gut instinct, you know. So that's how

1640
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 4: I make music. First thought is the right thought, Let's

1641
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 4: record it. That's why a lot of times usually the

1642
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 4: first take is, yo, that was it. You took something,

1643
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 4: somebody tried to recreate it, and like you might know

1644
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 4: the rhyme a little better, but that feel on that

1645
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 4: first one was the right feel.

1646
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: Copy that field, but know the rhyme, the words, yeah,

1647
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: other words? Did you ever?

1648
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 4: Oh?

1649
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 7: I was I was thinking to myself, I said, they

1650
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 7: were the first ones to kind of fight that earthy box.

1651
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: In my mind, like, you know, they invented it too,

1652
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: I know.

1653
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 10: So that's the weird part.

1654
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 4: It's like, why was dead right to build it and destroy?

1655
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 4: But I mean to to answer, I say that y'all

1656
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 4: weren't fooling anybody, but okay, But to answer your question,

1657
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I can't really answer for for them,

1658
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 4: but as I see it is they just I don't know,

1659
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 4: they just had a musical standard and what they thought

1660
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 4: was corny was not corny, and they just so rebelled

1661
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 4: not being that typical who they deemed as a corny artist,

1662
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 4: you know, and things that just seemed I mean almost

1663
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 4: almost to the point where I think it worked against

1664
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 4: them because I you know, from what I remember, they

1665
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 4: had a lot of offers for a lot of commercial things.

1666
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 4: You know, I would have gave them a good amount

1667
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 4: of money, but it's like, okay, so PEPSI yeah, I

1668
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 4: don't know, like what, yeah, look, we was gonna our

1669
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: first deal.

1670
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Our offers.

1671
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 4: We had one with Profile, Tommy Boy and and Geffen.

1672
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 4: Geffen was offering us the most amount of money, and

1673
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 4: it was just it was the beginning of Geffen and

1674
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, as signed with Geffen. I'm worry

1675
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 4: with Tommy Boy, I don't know about them. You know

1676
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: Profile they did, they were about to release it takes two.

1677
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 4: It was like I remember we went to the office.

1678
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 4: It's like, yo, we just signed this guy, Rob Base,

1679
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 4: who do you think your song? Oh my god, it's great.

1680
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna sign your song. Plug Tuning offering us more

1681
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 4: money Geffen. I think I think Man, if I remember correctly,

1682
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 4: Profile was like five or ten grand for like one song.

1683
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: I think.

1684
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 4: Man Geffen was something like forty grand.

1685
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: It was just something dumb, you know what I'm saying.

1686
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: And Tommy Boy was.

1687
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 10: It would pay the song right there.

1688
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 4: This was talking about I'm talking about single. Now you're

1689
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 4: talking about album. Oh you know, and you know, Tim,

1690
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 4: we'll give you what we can get you. You know,

1691
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But they liked the vibe

1692
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 4: of Tommy Boy because it seemed more real to them,

1693
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 4: like they were into the music and into which ultimately

1694
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 4: turned to be the right thing anyway, because then, who know,

1695
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 4: if we went a play offs, it might have had

1696
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 4: the same impact.

1697
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: You would have been the roots.

1698
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 4: So you know it h it all. It all kind

1699
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 4: of kind of worked out. But yeah, I mean I

1700
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: think it's you know, we're keeping it real goes wrong.

1701
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 5: Even though I have a gazillion questions about Dayla soulds Dad,

1702
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 5: we gotta, we gotta move.

1703
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask, did you.

1704
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 4: Have any clue that your swan song with them would

1705
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 4: be Blue Mind State? You know Blue Mindstates when old

1706
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 4: comedians seem to like that's how I got like more.

1707
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, like Chris Rock and I will still have these arguments,

1708
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 5: like he still swears that's like in his top five.

1709
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1710
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 5: Part of me is a little sad about that record,

1711
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 5: Like I feel sad about that record because I feel

1712
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 5: like that's where the four of you parted.

1713
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: Weighs.

1714
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dayla hasn't really made an album that I like, absolutely, like,

1715
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 5: disliked or whatever.

1716
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: But I do miss the lightness and the humor of

1717
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: their records.

1718
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 4: Well, well, I think as time went on as my

1719
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 4: promise with the first album, but you know, they reeled

1720
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 4: me in back on the other two and I did

1721
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 4: start steaks as high as well with them.

1722
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: Well you did Dog eat Dog right or started?

1723
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we recorded in my house that that freaking dog.

1724
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: But that's that's all Dave's idea. I'll give them credit

1725
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 4: for that. Like I just recorded and kind of navigated.

1726
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 4: You know, the beginning stakes is high and the it

1727
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 4: you know, I stayed a teenager and they grew up.

1728
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That's how it evolved. You know,

1729
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 4: just I'm like yo yoah, yo yo, man, let's do this,

1730
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: let's record that, And it got to really where they

1731
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 4: were like I don't think that's right, Paul, and I

1732
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 4: had to respect that. You know what I'm saying, it's it.

1733
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 4: Then I'll be going against what I said earlier, like

1734
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 4: it's your art, it's not mine. So I couldn't impose

1735
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 4: my will on them. But for so long, you know

1736
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because then it becomes me, and then

1737
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 4: I become that thing I hate. So the best thing

1738
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 4: to do stay is hot. And it was really tough

1739
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 4: because day La Soul really made me who I was

1740
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 4: or I am as a producer. I had to like,

1741
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 4: it's better that we just part ways. And that was tough.

1742
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember that day Clear was in my

1743
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: house hand him to a a tapes. You know, oh,

1744
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: like the nice version of doctor. You know, it was

1745
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: a nice version of that.

1746
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 4: Right. So from the time Balloon comes out, Balloon is

1747
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 4: ninety three three and then very bigger time.

1748
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 5: Yeah Kane questions and oh the big daddy thing the

1749
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 5: title track of I'm still in that baseline for the

1750
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 5: next record.

1751
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 4: Oh, Man Caine. I love working with Kane. I met

1752
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 4: him during the stets of Sonic Days you seem at

1753
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 4: the quarters and stuff and yeah, and he called me

1754
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, man, you got a song. It's like, yeah,

1755
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 4: you know, try this. You know what the cool thing

1756
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: back then is like now everybody makes beat tapes. Yo,

1757
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 4: what do you got to get beat tape? Listen to it?

1758
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Back then it was like, yo, I hear this song

1759
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: for you, This is yours, this is for you.

1760
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 4: I dictate what happens. You know what I'm saying, and

1761
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 4: you can't do that now. It's just like third base,

1762
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 4: like gas Face.

1763
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: And whole songs and all that stuff in front of them,

1764
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: and it was cauture.

1765
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 7: You know.

1766
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 4: It's like I have it at the house or I

1767
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 4: made it and I hear you on this and you

1768
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 4: trust what I'm telling you. Now I'm c's and people

1769
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 4: what you got. Yeah, I like that. I like this one.

1770
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 4: I'm recording them to send it back to you. It's

1771
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 4: not like being in the studio go Yo, that's whack

1772
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 4: or Yo, try this over.

1773
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 7: You know.

1774
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 4: It's it's hard for me to work nowadays, man, because

1775
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 4: I missed that type of energy. You know, even to

1776
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 4: dispute me, you're like, yo, man, no, Paul, well show me.

1777
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 4: You know, that's how you make things get better and

1778
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 4: better and better. But yeah, but we came going back

1779
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 4: to the question. Yeah, yeah, Cane hit me up, you know,

1780
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 4: and it's like, Yo, I'm working on the second record

1781
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 4: like that. I'm a King fan.

1782
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 5: Besides, you did Brooklyn Queens end gas Face right, yeah, okay,

1783
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 5: yeah that that that emotions horn breakdown. It's like one

1784
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 5: of my when like my pie in the face moment.

1785
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 5: Usually when most people it's for mine, it's always that

1786
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 5: dinging like whenever it.

1787
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Happens to me, that's what that, That's what I hear.

1788
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Like the my my pie in the face moment is

1789
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: is that part?

1790
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm associated with you?

1791
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: So But the thing is you didn't.

1792
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 5: You didn't go light though once you exited Steaks as

1793
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 5: high like you went to Grave Graves.

1794
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know what Grave Diggers was a part

1795
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 4: of Grave Diggers was. You know, we talk about the

1796
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 4: niceties of Daylight Souls Dead, But when that record came out,

1797
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 4: a lot of the critics and stuff were saying, Dela

1798
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 4: Soul is dead. It ain't no three ft high rides.

1799
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 4: It was really maybe no, no, no, no, no, noished.

1800
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 4: Maybe amongst the the hip hop peers and everybody, it

1801
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 4: was cool, but amongst the hardcore critics critics, it was

1802
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 4: getting panned time out, time out.

1803
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 5: I got a dispute you on this, Paul uh Houston.

1804
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 5: For starters, I've never seen such a glowing first of all.

1805
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 5: They also's Dad got a better review than three Feet

1806
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 5: High and Rising Rolling Stone. I've never seen a four star.

1807
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 5: I mean leave reviews were rare back then and again

1808
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: they gave y' all the cover, which is some shit.

1809
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 5: I memorized. I cut out that all right, forget it's

1810
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 5: not about me. The Village Voice. It was a top

1811
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 5: six passing job Village, which is hard for ninety one

1812
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 5: era Robert Christigal to give that that much.

1813
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: Critical praise.

1814
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 5: Now maybe with local papers like that, but I'm just

1815
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 5: saying the source gave y'all a perfect five. That was

1816
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 5: the first five I read that wasn't in that ice

1817
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,719
Speaker 5: cube summariz that album was a classic.

1818
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 4: Let me chime in. I think part of it too

1819
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 4: is the setup of having three feet high rise and

1820
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 4: they were endeared and loved and people like they could

1821
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 4: do no wrong. Second record comes out, like I said,

1822
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 4: you're on the outside looking and I'm on the inside.

1823
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 4: You know, your sales a lot lower, you know, and

1824
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 4: then you know somebody you know. The first album was this,

1825
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 4: This album is so mean. It was you know, so

1826
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 4: I'm hearing all this. It was like, you know, we

1827
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 4: put so much money, more money in this record, and

1828
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 4: it's I think it's time, so you're listening. So the

1829
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 4: pressure is on, which led to me having the label

1830
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 4: with Russell when I did Doodo Man Records. It was

1831
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 4: the pressure of living up to three feet high rise

1832
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 4: and like he wanted me to make that record again.

1833
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 4: It's like, I can't make that. I can't do that,

1834
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 4: you know.

1835
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: So I did the Resident Alien record, which is some Friends.

1836
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 5: I did love that, Thank you, Shaky Ground and mister

1837
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 5: but like all that, that's I love that record death Yeah,

1838
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 5: thank you.

1839
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 1: It was.

1840
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 4: It was a fun record. But he, you know, they

1841
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 4: were like, we're not feeling at this when we start

1842
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 4: out the dispute of me calling it doodle Man Records,

1843
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 4: which Russell called me numerous occasions trying to talk me

1844
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 4: out of it. You shouldn't make a doodoo man. I

1845
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, that's the only way I do. That's

1846
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 4: the only way I'll do the deal. If it's Doodo Man.

1847
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 5: If it's other than that, I don't want to do it.

1848
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 5: It's like it is I mean now that Prince Paul

1849
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 5: will be when when Miles of Blackish grows up. Oh yeah,

1850
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 5: he's going to be Prince Paul. Oh god, his father

1851
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 5: is in uh yeah, wow.

1852
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Child.

1853
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 7: While you were on this musical journey, was it like

1854
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,799
Speaker 7: a lo low comedy journey going on with you because

1855
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,799
Speaker 7: I mean you about the funny as you are talented.

1856
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm more silly than i'm funny, But thank you.

1857
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate that all your Grammys come from comedy records.

1858
01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Chris rock stuff right, local figure. I just

1859
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 4: like having fun and my personality is quirky, and like

1860
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 4: I said, you know, I've been eighteen since I was eighteen,

1861
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 4: Like it hasn't changed, and which bodes well for some

1862
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 4: but for others it doesn't. You know what I'm saying.

1863
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 4: But you know, I just like, I just like having fun.

1864
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 4: Some people get the joke, some people dope, you know,

1865
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 4: most of them don't.

1866
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 7: But at some point you knew that it was beyond

1867
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 7: just your hobby and your thing that you like to do,

1868
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 7: because you started making money off of it, Like Emir said,

1869
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 7: so yeah.

1870
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 4: I was weird and you started to make a record.

1871
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's even I think. Just just to sustain.

1872
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 4: Being in this industry for this long freaked me out

1873
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 4: more than anything else and doing what I wanted to do,

1874
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 4: which was which I don't know too many people get

1875
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 4: a chance of doing that, but I was just so fortunate.

1876
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 4: So it ate to sound like I'm you know, on

1877
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 4: a sports channel and so blessed with what thank god,

1878
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 4: what they I feel, man, because yo, I kind of

1879
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 4: wrote my own story. And that's very very hard to do,

1880
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 4: especially in music and the super duper and hip hop.

1881
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 4: But it it's but I always kept in mind and

1882
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 4: I always and we talked about this earlier about money.

1883
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 4: I just saved my money so I'd be able to

1884
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 4: do what I wanted to do, because I think once

1885
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,759
Speaker 4: you start, especially when you start making a certain money

1886
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 4: in this music exchange, you to start getting a certain lifestyle,

1887
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 4: then you want to maintain that by any means necessary.

1888
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 4: And then that's the while it starts. We'll produce artistic decisions,

1889
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 4: how yeah, how you're gonna do. I will produce for food.

1890
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,520
Speaker 4: So I was like, if I keep a moderate lifestyle,

1891
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 4: you know, I got a house, cars, you know, whatever

1892
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 4: the case is, keep it simple, then I can make

1893
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 4: the records I always want to make without having to

1894
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 4: like man, really you know, or be that dude who

1895
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 4: just to sustain the lifestyle. We've seen him who moves

1896
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 4: over to Bulgaria with this girl, who lives down with

1897
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 4: this girl. You go, you go on to over there.

1898
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, man, you a town and hurt you.

1899
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 4: My man. You're out here now. Man, I'm wrapping at

1900
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 4: the club down the street, about to tour the local

1901
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 4: certain yeah, everybody knows.

1902
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 5: I want to say his name, but yeah, the dads

1903
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 5: that are living. Yeah, and you go, this is my girl, sweat.

1904
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 4: Lauda meet you.

1905
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1906
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 4: I told him we used to rock back in New York.

1907
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about.

1908
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 4: We can't say no, I'm not talking about a person.

1909
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 9: There are people pigmy so can avoid.

1910
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 4: Me being that dude. It's like, I live a practical

1911
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 4: lifestyle so I can make the music I want to make.

1912
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 4: And I've been all right, I'm still live in New York. Correct, Yeah,

1913
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 4: I live in New York. I'm after my daughter graduates

1914
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 4: high school. I think I'm gonna I'm gonna move out.

1915
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 4: You're talking about coming down south. I was gonna say,

1916
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 4: in New York.

1917
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 5: Every every New York Pioneer moves to North Carolina eventually,

1918
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 5: come on rap retirement.

1919
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 4: Look, man, my tax is double digits man, every year,

1920
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 4: the amount of paying taxes. But when I stayed in

1921
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 4: my house, I could have bought me a whole new house.

1922
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 4: I could brought me a mansion in North Carolina eight

1923
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 4: that had been the other house.

1924
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1925
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 9: I wanted to I want we was talking offline, but

1926
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 9: I wanted to talk about Psychoanalysis. Uh that record Cycle

1927
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 9: How was it open for you? And the record that

1928
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 9: like you could not make that record to day you

1929
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 9: would be think piece to death.

1930
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about like Beautiful Night, which talks about

1931
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,560
Speaker 4: date rape and killing white people. I mean, but it

1932
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 4: was in the eyes of a cycle path. You know

1933
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That was a shield, but it paints

1934
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 4: the story from the beginning. This album's called Psychoanalysis. The

1935
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 4: guy you have a psychotherapist and somebody goes through all

1936
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 4: these different weird things, and yeah, it is somewhat of

1937
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 4: a shield, but it is the truth, you know. And

1938
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 4: so weirdly enough, I made that record thinking that that

1939
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 4: would be my last record I'd ever make. Like I

1940
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 4: honestly thought like my career was over because that was

1941
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 4: ninety six. Yea, it was ninety six. Now mine, I

1942
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 4: just started working with Daylight and that was that was

1943
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 4: very depressing.

1944
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: Wait. Cycle Analysis came out before Prince of Pie.

1945
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Princess was ninety nine.

1946
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, so.

1947
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 4: So Prince amongst it was Daylight. I lost my record

1948
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 4: situation with Russell Grave Diggers. Oh that's just the that's

1949
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 4: just the fad. You know, you guys are Grave dig

1950
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 4: Six Feet was ninety seven.

1951
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: Time out. But that record did well, though, dude, you

1952
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: know buzz yeah.

1953
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 4: You know, but it was during the time when Biggie

1954
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 4: and everybody else was coming and that was like the movement,

1955
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 4: and then I was still stuck on and w a.

1956
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That was you know, I

1957
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 4: was making action.

1958
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: Records, you know what I felt The big mistake was yes,

1959
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 1: and that's why where it Yes Windy.

1960
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing though, Okay, Nowhere to Run To

1961
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 5: was was a good club single. But I felt y'all

1962
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:53,879
Speaker 5: made a deadly mistake not making bang your Head because

1963
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 5: that song for for for month in Philly, that's all

1964
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 5: DJ Cosmi Kiff shout out the Cosmic Keeff made. He

1965
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 5: would play that relentless live and I didn't know that

1966
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 5: nog you gotta hear you gotta hear it on loud,

1967
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 5: you got to hear it in a club setting.

1968
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,759
Speaker 1: It just it sounded perfect.

1969
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 5: That was our ghost stats and for half a second,

1970
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 5: like it didn't catch on, but for that month, that

1971
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 5: cosmic Keeff has been to shelve that record, and he

1972
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 5: kept calling him at at g at D Street, G Street,

1973
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 5: make this a single. I need an instrumental like this

1974
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 5: ship's gonna I'm gonna make it work on radio and

1975
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 5: it never but I agree with him, Bang your head

1976
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 5: should have been it should have been. Wait, I have

1977
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 5: won one question about six feet before you go on

1978
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 5: a sign? Who who is playing on that title track?

1979
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 5: I feel like it's you guys, all of us. Yeah,

1980
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 5: that's that's that's the junk yard band, man, That's how

1981
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 5: we were playing.

1982
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 4: This is what happens when you leave a bunch of

1983
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 4: dudes before the engineer gets in and there's all instruments

1984
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 4: and in the live room we're like yo yo, you

1985
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 4: played the drums, yo rizz. We're just like.

1986
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: Back when I didn't back when I didn't know any better.

1987
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: That would be part of my DJ Oh my god,

1988
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's when I was DJ Pine So I cleaned

1989
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: the floor.

1990
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 5: Oh without a doubt, man, that's just that song I

1991
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 5: used to clean. But I love to sit out. It's

1992
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 5: still like on on my on my on my list.

1993
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 4: Man, there's a whole like session of us just playing

1994
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 4: and Rizzid took the took the dat tape. Man. Yeah,

1995
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 4: but but I remember it was mastering that records. When

1996
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 4: you guys mastering your first record at Sony. I don't

1997
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 4: remember exactly where it's at, but I remember, Yo gave

1998
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 4: me a box of cassettes or a bunch of sets.

1999
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 4: So Yo, here's our first record. If anybody wants to

2000
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 4: eat blah blah blah. And I still I still got

2001
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 4: like two of them.

2002
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird.

2003
01:39:58,360 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 4: I was gonna bring it today so you could sign

2004
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 4: if want me off, I still have it.

2005
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 5: What's weird about that day was that I know that

2006
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson was also in that building mastering history.

2007
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: And in order to go to the bathroom, like I

2008
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: had to clearity. Yeah, yeah, to clear I couldn't just

2009
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: randomly be in the hallway, you know, trying to go

2010
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,719
Speaker 1: to the bathroom like. So yeah, that day, I remember

2011
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: it was a defining moment.

2012
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 4: Man. It was like a few define moments like that.

2013
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 4: And when I met Comment at the music h New

2014
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 4: Music Seminar when he was a little kid, at his

2015
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 4: tapes and stuff. It's like it's moments.

2016
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah I remember, yeah, yeah, that was all right, man.

2017
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 4: And I kept I was like, you know, she got

2018
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,560
Speaker 4: you sign it, man, I get people signed everything. You

2019
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 4: say it, right.

2020
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 5: So Prince amongst Thieves, which didn't that come out the

2021
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 5: same day as think It's fall Apart. I think that

2022
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 5: TLC's fan mail, Eminem's, Eminem's record.

2023
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 1: And mine was the least successful. Are you trying to

2024
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: rub that in on here?

2025
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that statistically your record failed.

2026
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: See. I wasn't even going there, Paul.

2027
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 5: I was saying that while we were packed him at

2028
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 5: fifteen fast in the van going from record store to

2029
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 5: record whatever.

2030
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 4: Like doing that whole two weeks, that's all we listened to.

2031
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 5: Wow, And even then I was like, damn, why did

2032
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 5: I think, fucking Paul, Like, why do I think it?

2033
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 4: Damn?

2034
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: We could have made something create Like I almost felt like, damn,

2035
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: I fucked up with this record of ours. Prince among

2036
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Steve's is no. But I was. I kept here and

2037
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: I was like, damn.

2038
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 4: He always comes up with the fucking cleverest ideas that

2039
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 4: I can't who who.

2040
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Was dumbed up?

2041
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 4: The reverence everython came out a year late too. Oh yeah,

2042
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 4: I handed in in February of two thousand and eight.

2043
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 4: It was two thousand and eight. No, no, not eight,

2044
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, nineteen ninety eight, and

2045
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 4: the label satur for a year because it's like we

2046
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 4: don't know what to do with for a year. Then

2047
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,680
Speaker 4: you should have looked, Yo, you don't understand like the

2048
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 4: look of like sitting in a boardroom with played the

2049
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 4: record and everybody after record goes, well, oh it was

2050
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 4: so dispass I worked so hard on that record.

2051
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: They not know who they're messing with.

2052
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 4: That's times when you tell Paul make whatever record you

2053
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 4: want to make, I'm like, really, word and I had that,

2054
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 4: and they're like, this is the way the budget went.

2055
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 4: We should have gave it to sex Mob. But I

2056
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 4: think there's another group that had signed back then. Who

2057
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 4: was Who was Dom Dumb on that record? That the Reverend?

2058
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 4: That's uh my man McKnight who I guess you know

2059
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 4: set Free Yeah yeah, call him McKnight.

2060
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he that that that was his boy. He brought

2061
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: him in I was recording.

2062
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 4: I was at his house and I was like, you

2063
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 4: need somebody play a reverend, Like I got somebody with

2064
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 4: a perfect voice. And he came in and he killed

2065
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 4: the first first shot.

2066
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

2067
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what to do? He's like,

2068
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 4: I don't played no reverends, Like, yo, just say whatever

2069
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 4: your rhyme is, whatever rhyme, random rhyme you got, but

2070
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 4: say it like you preached it, like like college. Yes,

2071
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 4: that's just one of his random rhymes, said, and preach

2072
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 4: your style and work. You know, I was surprised. You know,

2073
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 4: that was fun. It was. That was a hard record

2074
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 4: to make, man, because I didn't use program. Imagine wait,

2075
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 4: I used too much. No, I did it on a ADS,

2076
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 4: but I did it with a sequencing program called Master

2077
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 4: Master Tracks six, and I sequenced everything live with an

2078
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 4: ASR ten and two S nine fifties. So I triggered

2079
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 4: all the all the vocal parts, so nobody at right now,

2080
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 4: nobody acted against each other. I just recorded all their

2081
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 4: lines and then picked the best line, and then step

2082
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 4: by step line line line, line, line, and then after

2083
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 4: that did sound effects, sound effects, sound effects, sound effect.

2084
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 9: So the chubb rock he's rhyming over the biz beat

2085
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:58,759
Speaker 9: box like those were recorded separately.

2086
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,560
Speaker 1: Those Yeah, well you buz did his beat first and

2087
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: then yeah, Wow, yeah, a lot of pro tools that ship.

2088
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you know that shi it was a night man,

2089
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's so dumb, it's that ship. Well,

2090
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: pro tools is way more expensive back then. But I

2091
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: should just kind of just what pro tools.

2092
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 4: But it's me, it's me thinking again, like save save

2093
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 4: this two thousand bucks.

2094
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna be in this for too long.

2095
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm saying even at that point, you're still

2096
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 4: thinking that it's gonna come to you know, it's not

2097
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 4: till I turn now to fifty I say like, wow, okay,

2098
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I made a career out of this. Oh wait, are

2099
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 4: you serious?

2100
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm very, very very because I mean because I was

2101
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: what examples of hip hop are there?

2102
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 4: See? This is the thing though, you even in R

2103
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 4: and B are there. That's because unless you're.

2104
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think with black yes, your your

2105
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: DNA motion is the whole winner take all thing with

2106
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 1: black artists that we have to be at the top

2107
01:44:56,240 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: of the mountain like Rocky. You know you're in.

2108
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 4: But the thing is is that there is space in

2109
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 4: this room alone.

2110
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 5: There are three blue collar you know, there are three

2111
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 5: blue blue collar musicians here, which I think maybe in

2112
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 5: ninety six. It was made to be a thing like

2113
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 5: they're shame in being a blue collar musician, or that

2114
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 5: you're not winning, or that you don't have this yacht

2115
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:24,639
Speaker 5: at your access.

2116
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 10: But I know what you mean now, Okay, I was

2117
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 10: catching up. You mean, right, like not super rich.

2118
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 4: Working class work, working class collar musicians.

2119
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that's wait, are you giving me

2120
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: the side? You really believe me?

2121
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 10: I believe Fonte And maybe.

2122
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 5: It's a very No, it's very it's real. Real wealthy

2123
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 5: people don't have to go to their job. I'm at

2124
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 5: my job right now. Okay, Yes, I'm.

2125
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 12: Saying, you know, your blue collar has a waffle on

2126
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 12: it and a heart lego pen gangster.

2127
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 1: That's the smoking mirrors to make y'all think I'm youthful.

2128
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that.

2129
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 5: As long as and again you you didn't have lofty,

2130
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 5: I don't know if you dream of owning twelve miles

2131
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 5: eriates And.

2132
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 4: You know what I really wanted and I bought my

2133
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 4: mom my house instead was a one ninety band that

2134
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 4: was kidded. It was Chalkole Gram. I remember sitting at

2135
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 4: the dealership even if this or your mom, Yeah, and

2136
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, what we have no place

2137
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 4: to live.

2138
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: But my whole, my whole, my whole Negro way of

2139
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: thinking was one ninety.

2140
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 4: E kid it.

2141
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 10: Versus black man.

2142
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 5: I did that though, you put off my mom's house

2143
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 5: to build my record room. The nigga one, Yeah, because

2144
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 5: I don't want that's a cute tip. I was like,

2145
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 5: should I want to lose my records? This record it's

2146
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 5: going to be how I make money? And it went

2147
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 5: like your mom didn't have a place to live. I mean, yeah,

2148
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 5: she had a nice apartment. Is we would she lived

2149
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 5: in Center City on brush she had a nice apartment.

2150
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 9: So with the politics of the business record was that

2151
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 9: Because it's funny you mentioned that you thought, Psycho now

2152
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 9: this was your last thing, reading a line of notes

2153
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 9: of positive business, I thought that the last thing.

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01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 4: You know, it felt like it because I chepel was

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01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 4: on that right. Yeah, because imagine I did this record man,

2156
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 4: put all this work into this record and handed Tommy

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01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 4: Boy and you know, and they really didn't love it

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01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 4: until critical claim came back. You know, It's one of

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01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 4: those things like somebody you know, you have something, it's

2160
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 4: all right, and then everybody goes, oh, that's dope. Nigga yeah,

2161
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 4: it's dope, and we have it. It wasn't until that

2162
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 4: point where they realized that something dope. It was at

2163
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 4: the end of its run.

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01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me that by the time

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Speaker 1: that the politics of the business came out, then.

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01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 4: It was like they were like, yo, make another one.

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01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 4: They's like, make another Prince among thieves, talking about Prince

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01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 4: among thieves and head into politics. And I'm like, I

2169
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 4: can't make that. It's like it's like Bugs Bunny one

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01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 4: show only or no, Daffy Duck blows himself up. You know,

2171
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 4: it's one. I can't do that Again's so hard. And

2172
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 4: plus when I didn't get too much love the first time.

2173
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 4: So and having a conversation with the label, remember they're like,

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01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 4: you know, it's about a singles market, has nothing to

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01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 4: do with an album. Paul thinking so backwards, I'm like, word,

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01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to make this record and it's just going

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01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 4: to be a spoof of single, which backfired against because

2178
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 4: everybody took it literal and I'm like, it's a spoof,

2179
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 4: but I'm just joking.

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01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: This isn't what I really do. This is just like

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01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of a joke and and yeah, it went, it went.

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01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 9: It went hey, why Yeah, I remember we talking about

2183
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 9: when we were doing the breaks and we talked about

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01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 9: booty clap.

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01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 4: That's like my figure. You would saying how like Luke

2186
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 4: you did that as like, oh yeah, yeah, that was

2187
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 4: a psycho analysis.

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01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 9: But then Luke came out with Scar and I think

2189
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 9: that was like one hundred and forty something crazy.

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01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was too slow at

2191
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five. I was like, man, I

2192
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 4: can't get the spoof right.

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01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 8: So I have a quick question about politics. Did Chuck

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01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 8: Rock ever pay you the twenty two hundred.

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01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 4: Years you know what, I just have to say, unequivocally, No,

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01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 4: I have not got that back, nor do I ever

2197
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 4: expect to ever get if you ever gave it back, yo,

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01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 4: I would go on all types of social media and

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01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, I'm gonna say he's the

2200
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 4: greatest guy. But I would go, yo, he finally paid

2201
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 4: me back. I don't know, like it took all this

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01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 4: time man, and coming back. You know, man, that that

2203
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 4: that could be a lifetime movie. I would tell you

2204
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 4: all the guys that.

2205
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 9: Story be like what, yeah, what was the story was done?

2206
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 9: Twentywo hundred dollars? I can't get to that you put

2207
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 9: it out there.

2208
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I got man, you know, was

2209
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 4: it like production was some production stuff for music?

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01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 10: I just got got personal.

2211
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I just got god.

2212
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was a vic you

2213
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. That's all I could say.

2214
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I got got you know, and you live and you learn,

2215
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 1: you move on.

2216
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 4: You know. The money didn't hurt me as much as

2217
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 4: the fact that I thought we were cool. You know

2218
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

2219
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh, so this is like there's still feelings behind that.

2220
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 4: I mean, because I mean it's like, even if we

2221
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 4: see it now, it's like, who's mad cool with you?

2222
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 4: No one?

2223
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: And that's how let's say let's say let's say, like,

2224
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: for example.

2225
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 10: Sake, I never been in his house, but we kind

2226
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 10: of okay, Let's.

2227
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 4: Let's say cool all of a sudden, and you will

2228
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:41,560
Speaker 4: never come either. So let's say hypothetically, she set you

2229
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 4: up to steal from you. You like, oh something, who

2230
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 4: was cool? We hung out, we did, we work together, we.

2231
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: Back in the day for ninety can you name it

2232
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: your but when it was cool? Oh damn yeah. So

2233
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean it makes a great story, you know what

2234
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and I'll tell it one.

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01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:10,600
Speaker 4: Day in full okay, in social media, but but no, no,

2236
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I honestly I think chumb Is

2237
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 4: is and I can say this is about time to

2238
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 4: talk about that. I think he's super dupid talent and

2239
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 4: some reason why I work with him. And he's really

2240
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, he's really smart, and you know he's funny

2241
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 4: and all the other great things, very charming. But at

2242
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 4: the same time, you know, those are the things that

2243
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 4: really make great set up a great vic I got vixed.

2244
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 4: I'll just say that, man, you know, wait before we

2245
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 4: wrap up.

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01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 1: Handsome School. But we have that too.

2247
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, been in like eight groups, got myself quite often,

2248
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 4: I gotta wait.

2249
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 5: I'm sorry because I'm gonna forget this and Steve will

2250
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 5: kill us if we don't mention the fact that you

2251
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 5: worked with TiO Macera te.

2252
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: Ab Oh yeah, yo, that was great man with Vernon

2253
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: Reid on that record. Steve and I have a running

2254
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: joke with H. T. T O and Felonious Monk.

2255
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 5: There's a documentary where Felonius does this like brilliant take

2256
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 5: on piano and he tells to okay, play it back

2257
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 5: for me.

2258
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 1: And t was like, oh, I didn't record that. I

2259
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 1: was just getting levels, and but Thanes like, okay, but

2260
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 1: play it back for me. He's like, I didn't get

2261
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 1: that all right, Well just play the tape back for me. No,

2262
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: you don't understand I didn't record it, all right, Well

2263
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: wait right here, just play it back for me. That's

2264
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 1: me and Steve all day. Just play it back for me.

2265
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 4: But they had they got it on video tape.

2266
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: That's the ironic, right.

2267
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that is that's true. That is true.

2268
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: But what was it like working with TiO?

2269
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 4: To me, just like working with Bernie Warrell. It's to me,

2270
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 4: it's like free college, you know what I'm saying, Like,

2271
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 4: I just I throw on my part, but I'm just watching,

2272
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 4: you know that my whole like uh thing, especially with production,

2273
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 4: working with people who are the seasoned like that. I mean,

2274
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 4: you know, we all learn from each other, but I'm

2275
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 4: watching hard body. I'm asking a ton of questions. I'm like,

2276
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 4: how did you do this? Blah blah blah, and you know,

2277
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 4: get into the mind frame it. I mean all of it,

2278
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 4: all of it helps you know, So that that's to

2279
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 4: me what it was. More or less, it was just

2280
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 4: like me fan boying, like, Yo, why'd you do that?

2281
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 4: When you did that? How'd you do that? And it's

2282
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 4: funny Like a lot of these older guys, I'm sure

2283
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 4: you've dealt with this too, the man, all we do

2284
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 4: is make all manufactual like, but what do you mean?

2285
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 4: May we just cut on switch man the episodes of

2286
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:39,760
Speaker 4: the show, you know, And so I'm sitting there like,

2287
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 4: well in awe, like, but the equipment was so limited

2288
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 4: back then, and what did you do?

2289
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:44,679
Speaker 1: Wait?

2290
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 4: One more? One more regrets Miles Davis's producer for that,

2291
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 4: thank you? I was I'm sorry, what did you have

2292
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 4: to do with new Kirk's career?

2293
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 1: Thank you?

2294
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:57,799
Speaker 4: Regrets.

2295
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 5: We can't end the show without missing done on new

2296
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 5: Kircules show stops. Then we'll go to Texas forgot. So

2297
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 5: right now I'm thinking of regret questions. Man new Kirk

2298
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 5: me new Kirk.

2299
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 4: We met when he moved in from the Bronx to

2300
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 4: Amyville in eighth grade. Eighth grade was pivotal in eighth grade,

2301
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 4: and we were in a group. He was my MC,

2302
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 4: he was empty Kid wonder Wow and his and we

2303
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 4: had my man Mike Telux Uh and his and and

2304
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,559
Speaker 4: also new Kirk's brother Ray whose name is Sugar Ray,

2305
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 4: and we had a we had a group called the

2306
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 4: Soul Brothers back in in in uh in high school.

2307
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 4: And and you know, after a while, new Kirk kind

2308
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 4: of went on to his thing. I was getting more

2309
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 4: into stetsisnic I met them, and he got more into

2310
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 4: like a prince vibe. So we, you know, even though

2311
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 4: we're mad cool musically, we're kind of separated. And he

2312
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 4: was just making demos and stuff and and with all

2313
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 4: my friends. If you know what's in all my records,

2314
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 4: there's usually a band of characters that follow me from

2315
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,080
Speaker 4: record to record to record.

2316
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: One of them is new Kirk's primate and Bemos the

2317
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 1: pop Master.

2318
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 4: You know, there's certain people did that that it just

2319
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 4: my friends from like childhood and the pop mass. Was

2320
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 4: he the one on booty him pop Master does all

2321
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 4: my uh hey oh yeah, yeah, that's that's freaking yeah. Yeah,

2322
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 4: I just seen the pop Master about it. But wait,

2323
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 4: who uh uh uh uh who worship? Who is that?

2324
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 5: Oh?

2325
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 4: That that's this guy named Ron. He worked at the

2326
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 4: at the I told you I done a guy for stuff. Hey,

2327
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 4: you and the booth he was he worked at Calliope.

2328
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 4: He was like the manager a lot of I've heard

2329
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 4: that voice on a lot of other stuff too. After

2330
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 4: he was on my record, I launched his career. He

2331
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 4: was working at the studio as.

2332
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: A bad the original version of Who Do You Worship? Oh?

2333
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 4: I love that one.

2334
01:55:58,680 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Why didn't y'all put that.

2335
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 4: On the record? I don't know. I have no idea.

2336
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 4: I loved that one.

2337
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 1: Get it?

2338
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 4: And where did you hear that? What's my name?

2339
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 1: Motherucker?

2340
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,400
Speaker 4: I can't even find that. It is in my thing

2341
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 4: of cassettes, and I don't know where it's.

2342
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 5: I have a draft of of des was Dead that's

2343
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 5: slightly altered than the version of Man.

2344
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Another text regard question, Oh.

2345
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 4: New Kirk, let me get back to Newkirk. But yeah,

2346
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 4: so so new Kirk. After I asked him, you know,

2347
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 4: do the voice in the three Rising and third Base?

2348
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 4: And oh this is before third Base? I introduced him

2349
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 4: to Russell and Russell signed him to his OBR and

2350
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 4: that kind of set it up. That's why I had

2351
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 4: a little bit of juice. Man was the joint.

2352
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: That's when people actually kind of liked me.

2353
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 4: You know, I could I could call up a random person,

2354
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 4: hey man, Paul, how are you you know, when when

2355
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 4: you start making money for people that Yeah, yeah, you

2356
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 4: know what was your text regreat question?

2357
01:56:59,040 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: Uh?

2358
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 5: Who was they are talking about at the beginning of

2359
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 5: AFRO Connections at a high five.

2360
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: Or we can't say, okay, don't mention the name. Were

2361
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 1: they talking about someone specific? No, not that I can

2362
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: think of. That's all you have to say, like they

2363
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: might have to ask them.

2364
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 4: But from what I remember, it was just an overall

2365
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,240
Speaker 4: because that was the vibe back then, because dudes was

2366
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 4: just doing that. You know what I'm saying. It was

2367
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 4: just the movement.

2368
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 1: And what is Crocker Crocker thing? Or no, no, no,

2369
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: that's him saying his name though. No, No, that's on

2370
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Crocker from Kojack.

2371
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 4: That's right.

2372
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 5: I forgot Tom Hayes handled one. Okay, playing found that Crocker.

2373
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's one of those things you got.

2374
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 4: You know, you just ran Crocker. Yes, put that in there, Crocker.

2375
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 4: You just come up to curses Crocker.

2376
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 9: You know, I see handsl wore Mylin school real quick.

2377
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 9: I know we got handsl wore Mylin school.

2378
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:54,960
Speaker 1: Y'all.

2379
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 4: Just well, hopefully they just use one of the joints

2380
01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 4: and Baby Driver the movie. Yeah, I just I just

2381
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 4: heard about that. My nephew told me about that.

2382
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used that.

2383
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 4: How did that come about? I don't know.

2384
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 9: I just well, I mean, did the group not that

2385
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 9: that placement, but just you an automator. Oh that was

2386
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:10,240
Speaker 9: a joke.

2387
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 4: It was automated. Was at Tommy Boy and he was like,

2388
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 4: because me and water made became cool when he did doctor,

2389
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 4: I was doing Psychoanalysis and I did a remix with

2390
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 4: Blue Flowers, and then we were talking about Chris Elliott

2391
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 4: and Get A Life and ha ha, I remember the episode.

2392
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 1: Handsome Model in School had some way Model School.

2393
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 4: Ha ha haa. We're laughing with joking.

2394
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: That's where it comes from. Yeah, which changing which changing

2395
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: copies of old VHS tapes of Get a Life.

2396
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden he's at Tommy Boy

2397
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 4: and he's like, uh, yeah, I told I told tom

2398
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 4: and Monica that we got a group called Handsome Boy

2399
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 4: Model School and they would have signed us. I was

2400
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 4: like really, He's like yeah. I was like, all right, bet,

2401
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 4: let's do it. So you know, it wasn't a group,

2402
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 4: it was just a joke, and then we had to

2403
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 4: live up to the joke. By making the record and

2404
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 4: anything behind the joke.

2405
01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Did Chris Elliott ever talk to you guys about Yeah.

2406
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 4: But actually we met up with Chris Elliott and he

2407
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 4: was like, I can't believe that Abby's coming to the

2408
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 4: show today. Side note, Chris is darting. He was like,

2409
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm surprised anybody even liked anything about it, foxing me

2410
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 4: such a hard time with the thing, and and he

2411
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 4: wanted to work with us on some project, but it

2412
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:17,880
Speaker 4: never it never happened. Is that how the Atlantic thing

2413
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 4: for the second album The White People? Oh, it's because

2414
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 4: Tommy Boy. Uh one just took the catalog from Tommy Boy.

2415
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 4: So all the groups got dispersed. Obviously, nobody wanted me

2416
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 4: as a solo artist, but they accepted me and Handsome

2417
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 4: Boy modeling school, which I was just fine.

2418
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 7: Can I just give people a point of reference where

2419
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 7: Chris Elliott remember something by Mary?

2420
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2421
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 4: He was the guy he was what was his character name?

2422
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 4: He was the boyfriend, yeah, the one that had all.

2423
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 10: The zi Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

2424
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 1: He was the lead character. And get a life, which

2425
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: is what I know. But some kind of life is

2426
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:53,400
Speaker 1: also the dicks.

2427
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got so much awkward stuff right.

2428
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh that was my lad. That was my last.

2429
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 10: This was gonna be one the Dicks.

2430
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 1: It was a group. It was like his fate like

2431
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 1: Motown soul group d you don't know it was. It

2432
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 1: was this was like oh, it was like, yeah, I

2433
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 1: was depressed by then.

2434
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah, this is a fun.

2435
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 1: There's certain records that I make that I'm serious.

2436
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:30,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, this is I think this is dope.

2437
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:34,320
Speaker 4: When you hear records like Psychoanalysis or The Dicks or Instrumental,

2438
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 4: but yeah, those barn was a fun records. It was

2439
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 4: like I just make just the mate.

2440
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:39,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2441
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 4: That's like you like it, you don't like it, hate me,

2442
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 4: But that was just, you know, an imagination thing.

2443
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: It is fun.

2444
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 4: I got all my friends together. I gotta say that

2445
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:49,800
Speaker 4: I'm one of the biggest Barman fans ever. Barman. He

2446
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 4: talks about Barman's on that ass B list half the time.

2447
02:00:54,440 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 4: He like, Yo, who's uh area code like apartment who

2448
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 4: Barman's genius. Yeah, Man, very overlooked Man.

2449
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: I love that dude.

2450
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 4: Man. But yeah, he talks about you all the time,

2451
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 4: Man to you all lived together. At some point He's like.

2452
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 5: Man, it's just you know these' it's my spirit animal

2453
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 5: man Paul.

2454
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2455
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's crazy.

2456
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's mad. Cool.

2457
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 5: I got him in a group with uh uh the

2458
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:26,919
Speaker 5: director Eternal Sins.

2459
02:01:28,040 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, with Michelle Okay, yeah he did talk about that.

2460
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool man.

2461
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's good to work. I'm glad you guys are

2462
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:35,240
Speaker 4: working together.

2463
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 8: They got a side project. All right, So what was

2464
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 8: your you had? It was one last really kind of

2465
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 8: stupid question. I'm not stupid. George Clinton tweaking remix?

2466
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 4: Wow, forgot about that, Jesus, My brother brought it up

2467
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:46,520
Speaker 4: not too long ago.

2468
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 8: Did you touch that before or after? Prince got ahold

2469
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 8: of it? Because you both are credited on the record.

2470
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 8: Two princess Yeah, two princes on the same record.

2471
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,320
Speaker 4: Honestly, you know what. I don't even I don't even know.

2472
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 4: I think I have a copy of the record somewhere.

2473
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 4: I don't remember anything. All I remember I remember, I

2474
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 4: do remember this is that Before then, Prince wanted me

2475
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 4: to come down to the was it Paisley Park Studios

2476
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:15,600
Speaker 4: and record but I couldn't at the time. I was

2477
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 4: really busy. So he sent me the the masters to

2478
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 4: I mean, he had to Island Media where I was working.

2479
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:22,240
Speaker 1: That's funny.

2480
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 4: Now, I was like, oh, I have no time for you, Prince.

2481
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 4: What a douchebag of my you know, but and you

2482
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:33,040
Speaker 4: knew I was a big George Clinton fan. And I

2483
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 4: remember doing it, but I don't remember the process, you know,

2484
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,600
Speaker 4: I just remember recording. Okay, this is cool, not some

2485
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 4: of my better work. I mean, I wish I could

2486
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 4: go back in time and really redo that. And I

2487
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 4: wish I'd go back in time and go to Paisley

2488
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:48,280
Speaker 4: Park Studios. Can you before we go, can you talk

2489
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 4: about the Brooks Hill Project?

2490
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:54,600
Speaker 1: Oh, Brizil, Yeah, that was a long time in the making.

2491
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:59,040
Speaker 4: Man. That was me visiting South Polow hooking up with

2492
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:02,720
Speaker 4: Hadrig Brown and now who was the host of Young

2493
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,920
Speaker 4: TV Raps Brazil back in when they had the Young

2494
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 4: tv Raps. Yeah, and you know me talking about Hanles

2495
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:15,000
Speaker 4: make a record and hooking up together and and introducing

2496
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 4: him to Mecca, you know him find out Mecca's families

2497
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:22,760
Speaker 4: from Brazil and her peature or speaking Portuguese, and they bonded.

2498
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 4: And then you know, I always bring my usual suspect

2499
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 4: to always bring new Kirk in because you know he's

2500
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 4: he's my boy for life, you know what I'm saying.

2501
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 4: So and yeah, we just started making this record piecing together.

2502
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:34,360
Speaker 4: It took so long because we try to get right

2503
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,760
Speaker 4: in the room at the same time. Somebody from Brazil,

2504
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 4: somebody's you know. So it's it took us like almost

2505
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 4: like eight years to make that record and just to

2506
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 4: like just to record again. Wow. Yeah, because we record

2507
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:50,120
Speaker 4: some South Paulo, some in Queens, some in Long Island,

2508
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 4: and some in Atlanta. So we were all over the place.

2509
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,080
Speaker 4: So it's just set up. Now do you set up

2510
02:03:56,120 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 4: at the crib like you just have a home set.

2511
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,440
Speaker 4: We recorded vocals and I've had a home set up

2512
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 4: when home setups weren't popular, like when we was doing

2513
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 4: the daylight stuff. I started making a home setup because

2514
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:08,080
Speaker 4: I try to save as much money and pre production

2515
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:10,160
Speaker 4: before I went to studios possible, because like so, when

2516
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:14,640
Speaker 4: you have a twenty five thousand dollars budget, yo, you

2517
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,960
Speaker 4: gotta find And I kept that mentality because I seen

2518
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:20,880
Speaker 4: it like this, right, when you got a budget, you

2519
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 4: make a record, let's say hypothetically, and I'll keep it

2520
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 4: at twenty five thousand dollars.

2521
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:26,960
Speaker 1: You know that's money you're definitely gonna have.

2522
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 4: You don't know if you're ever going to make a

2523
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 4: royal do So I'm trying to spend this little without

2524
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 4: jeopardizing the integrated project as possible in making that record.

2525
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:38,240
Speaker 4: So I can just pocket the rest because I know

2526
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 4: that that's the only money I may ever have from

2527
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:42,840
Speaker 4: that record, ever, ever, ever.

2528
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So Paul, we can stay here for another nine hours,

2529
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 1: but I get.

2530
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 4: Restless, like.

2531
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,200
Speaker 1: More, But I gotta I gotta go.

2532
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 8: To my job.

2533
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Can we just have warm round

2534
02:04:57,400 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 1: of regret questions and just fired off and just try

2535
02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 1: to keep it short? Is it's not? Okay?

2536
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:05,560
Speaker 5: But fuck it, this is the only time we get

2537
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 5: to ask this. So when you recorded the second Chris

2538
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 5: Rock album, yes, I noticed. What microphone did you use

2539
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:19,120
Speaker 5: on Chris Rock? Sorry, because it sounded like I felt

2540
02:05:19,200 --> 02:05:21,600
Speaker 5: that you were going for those old Red Fox records.

2541
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:28,360
Speaker 5: If you listen to the quality of of of the

2542
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 5: comedy bits that are done in the club, it was like, oh,

2543
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:35,800
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, like you were doing a Dap Kings

2544
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 5: fifties throwback or nah, you just had a bad microphone.

2545
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:46,040
Speaker 4: And you just it was probably the latter. You don't

2546
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 4: listen back, I'm like, Yo, this sounds really like it

2547
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 4: just all I know. Was the last record that we

2548
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 4: made was it Never Scared to Me, which sounded too perfect?

2549
02:05:58,520 --> 02:05:58,920
Speaker 7: I like this.

2550
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like the sound of like the non digitized,

2551
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 4: non sterile, old school stuff. So yeah, it was probably

2552
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,080
Speaker 4: by design, and that was probably thanks to Scottie Hart,

2553
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 4: my engineer. He probably sat and like, yeah, it was.

2554
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 1: Recordable on the on the cad mic whatever microphone was.

2555
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 5: Well start it was a Stroker genius because if he

2556
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 5: ever does another comic record, I'm like, you gotta get

2557
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 5: that microphone you used for the second album, which it.

2558
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 4: Makes all the difference. Man. It's funny how tonality will

2559
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:31,760
Speaker 4: make you perceive even jokes or anything that you listen to. Yes,

2560
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:33,880
Speaker 4: you know, and I try to tell people that, like

2561
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 4: and that's why certain things don't sound really good sterile

2562
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 4: and new age, you know, High Death? Did you record

2563
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 4: those the real people ignorance.

2564
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:42,800
Speaker 1: Skits to ye?

2565
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 10: Do I even ask why you and Chris Rock.

2566
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:52,240
Speaker 1: Have you heard the records?

2567
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2568
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:55,280
Speaker 10: But I'm just I'm asking this for people who might

2569
02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 10: be listening.

2570
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 4: Prince Paul, Well, the weird thing is after psycho analysis,

2571
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,240
Speaker 4: he ran called me up, and I thought it was

2572
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 4: a joke from Daylight because we play jokes on each other,

2573
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 4: like here he goes Apasta's network will call, And I

2574
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 4: thought it was like a joke, like you know, yeah something,

2575
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:10,560
Speaker 4: it's Chris rock Man do his record.

2576
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever, what record you want me

2577
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:13,360
Speaker 1: to do?

2578
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:16,040
Speaker 4: I was just like all like, yeah, okay whatever. He said, No,

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Speaker 4: I'm serious, I'm gonna do like maybe like one or

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Speaker 4: two things. And we met up and I was like,

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Speaker 4: this is a joke. He's like no, I'm serious. And

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Speaker 4: then we just got along really well.

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Speaker 5: Because no one thought that Chris rock was going to

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Speaker 5: make a record with skits on it, right, and so

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Speaker 5: you know that's.

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Speaker 1: What I don't think he thought he was gonna make

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Speaker 1: a regular s got to just developed this thing on.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, Bill, do you have a regret question?

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Speaker 1: What's Prince Paul's favorite skit?

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Speaker 4: Anything? Doctor Dre made on up?

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Speaker 12: That?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 5: To me, that sets the bar forever because he says

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Speaker 5: he acknowledges that he got all that shit from you.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, he just as he for a fact,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Yes, he's acknowledged that. You know, Wow,

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Speaker 4: that that's man, that's flattering because I was trying to

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Speaker 4: copy that. From that point, I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: this is incredible. You know, it's just like this last

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Speaker 4: thing I'll say is it's just like when I finally

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Speaker 4: met the Beasties and Paul mc a, yeah, God rest

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02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 4: his soul. He was and him and ad Rock was

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Speaker 4: telling me like, we hated you when you made three

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Speaker 4: feet high Rise because we wanted to do that first.

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Speaker 4: Like you know what's crazy. I paid three high Rising

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Speaker 4: out the licensed ill I just added extra stuff to it,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That was the bewildering part

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Speaker 4: of it. And I'm like, wow, you guys are by

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Speaker 4: inspiration that and and uh and easy. I think the

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Speaker 4: first record he did and Paul the Funk Cadelic. It

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Speaker 4: was a combination.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you guys were definitely doing the Beatles Beach

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Speaker 5: Boys battle for it was going to be more autistic.

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Speaker 1: Steve any questions.

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Speaker 4: Like, regret question, Yeah, I regret regret question.

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Speaker 5: Lady and gentlemen, this has been an awesome episode of

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Speaker 5: Prince Carl.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and I will give you guys around applaw us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for tolerating me this long and waiting for.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you will be a repeat quest because we

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Speaker 5: got so much more questions, repeat a repeat question of

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Speaker 5: repeat quest.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I will come back and ask you all

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Speaker 4: questions to ask.

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Speaker 1: About the lawsuit anyway on behalf of like you and

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Speaker 1: Steve and Bill and other Bill who's not here, pour

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Speaker 1: off some spit, Lincoln and Flow.

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Speaker 4: And Prince Paul.

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Speaker 1: We thank you very much and uh, we'll see you

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Speaker 1: on the next go round. Of course, Love Supreme only

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Speaker 1: on Pandora. Crocker What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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