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Speaker 1: I do want to start talking about gen z men.

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Speaker 2: They range from angry to openly nihilists. They can't go

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Speaker 2: back to the status quo, Gavin, They just can't. Seems

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Speaker 2: like the DNC as a whole is trying to run

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Speaker 2: a very similar playbook that didn't work and is wondering

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Speaker 3: This is Gavin Newsom, and this is brendan Ewan aka

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Speaker 3: a Trio. All right, brendan Ewan, Hey, welcome brother. It's

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Speaker 3: good to be with you aka Atrioch, your online name,

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Speaker 3: which we'll get to in a minute. And for folks

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Speaker 3: that don't know you, millions of people do because they

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Speaker 3: watch you religiously, your rock star on YouTube, content creator,

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Speaker 3: a Twitch live streamer, speed runner. We'll talk about what

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Speaker 3: the heck that means if people are wondering what am

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Speaker 3: I talking about? But also really focused on building community

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Speaker 3: around marketing, around business, and that's what your background represented,

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Speaker 3: working Twitch, working in Nvidia. We can talk about AI chips,

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Speaker 3: but I really wanted you on because it was so

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Speaker 3: much focus on what happened a few weeks ago. Charlie

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Speaker 3: Kirk and Tyler Robinson, person who's been accused some of

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Speaker 3: the gaming questions and issues that came up, some of

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Speaker 3: the investigation, the broader conversations we're having in this country

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Speaker 3: around the manosphere and what's happening with gaming culture generally

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Speaker 3: issues of boys and men.

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Speaker 4: Everything about this and kept coming back to you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm great hoping to all come back to me.

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Speaker 4: I all came back to you as a guy that

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Speaker 4: can explain to unpack all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: We know we talked about this before this, and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to First of all, I want to say you

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Speaker 2: little less than that, but the people that know me,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll like me. People that don't know me

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Speaker 2: when they hear content creator or YouTube or twitch hamer,

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Speaker 2: I think they have an instant dislike And I don't

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Speaker 2: really blame them. I don't think that's I think most

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Speaker 1: Of someone who has that as their job, and I

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Speaker 2: So I want to try and get across why people

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Speaker 2: don't if this is not for you, I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's not yeah, no, but I should.

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Speaker 3: But people, I mean, it explains more things in more

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Speaker 4: So I mean, what is it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, seventy plus percent of teenagers are active gamers?

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Speaker 1: Is that among men? I assume it's higher.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot even higher, right, Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with that, you know, And I

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Speaker 2: don't think this is your stance, but it's like really

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Speaker 2: important me to get across early. It feels like, in

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Speaker 2: that's an insane, insane way to look at this. You know, Uh,

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Speaker 2: what I'll say is it's an easy scapegoat.

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Speaker 1: It is a really easy scapegoat. And we can go

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Speaker 3: But no, and by the way, full stipulate, could not

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Speaker 4: Been completely debunked.

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Speaker 3: So could not agree with that more, just stipulating an

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Speaker 2: No, sure, and then you know there now they're saying

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Speaker 2: And especially want to talk about gaming. The idea that

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Speaker 2: It's the other way around. I mean, that is what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as your boys are.

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Speaker 1: Are they gamers? Are they Roadblocks? Are they Fortnite?

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Speaker 2: That is I know it's a generation disconnect, but that

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Speaker 3: Let's pack because you know, I think a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: What time were people started really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Twitch is the one that that found this niche.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen ish, that's around when I joined, and it grows,

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Speaker 4: So let's let's back up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You discovered Twitch as someone not just doing content, but

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Speaker 2: Were you working for I never had any interest in

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Speaker 3: And you got on camera and you started doing what

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Speaker 1: Video talk about Nah.

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Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing. So what I'm saying might

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Speaker 1: Actually, what I'll say what it is is and you

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Speaker 2: People are very very tired of inauthenticity.

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Speaker 2: People feel like everyone's out to sell them something, everyone's

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Speaker 2: But they're trying to find somebody they can trust. That

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Speaker 3: And so you're saying kids are going online and and

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Speaker 3: And so Twitch figured this thing out. And but you

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Speaker 3: It's growing, and so you're what's interesting about you is

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Speaker 3: on those and those platforms, Louis Vatan, I mean, tell

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Speaker 3: me a little bit about that.

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Speaker 4: Give us a sense of what that integration as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is as crazy as it can

442
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Speaker 2: sound from someone outside of it. It's people all over

443
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Speaker 2: the world in a digital world watching these concerts together

444
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Speaker 2: that can see each other there jumping around, They're having

445
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Speaker 2: a good time, and it's just becoming where the culture

446
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Speaker 2: that is where I think there is such a line

447
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Speaker 2: if you grow with it or you didn't, and and

448
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Speaker 2: I think that is what allows me to talk about

449
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Speaker 2: other things with the lingo and the references that they use,

450
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Speaker 2: because it's just something they're native to right percent. But

451
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Speaker 2: you know, I think people will will come around to it.

452
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Speaker 2: You know, here's an example.

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Speaker 1: For esports.

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Speaker 2: All of the biggest ways to watch it are not

455
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Speaker 2: you know how you watch the NFL through the NFL's

456
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Speaker 2: official broadcast right or a pirated version if you're young,

457
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Speaker 2: but you're watching the official commentators right. For esports, it

458
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen that way. They make an official broadcast and

459
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Speaker 2: then a million people will restream it in on their

460
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Speaker 2: own commentary and those guys get way more viewers in

461
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Speaker 2: the official broadcast. And we're starting to see that happen

462
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Speaker 2: with sports, where they'll have like the Manning cast for

463
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Speaker 2: the NFL, a lot of rights issues are in the way,

464
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Speaker 2: but eventually they're going to crack the code because the

465
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Speaker 2: average person wants to see this stuff filtered through someone

466
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Speaker 2: they trust and understand and it's speaking to them like

467
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Speaker 2: a regular person. Right, that's gonna happen in sports. It's

468
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Speaker 2: gonna happen all over that. The democratization of all this

469
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Speaker 2: stuff is happening, and it is reaching sports now, and

470
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Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna happen to things you understand as well.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's weird seeing it live. You know, gaming

472
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Speaker 2: has been on the cutting edge of this because I

473
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Speaker 2: again back to briersal point, it's just where people are

474
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Speaker 2: finding friends and connections where they can find it, right,

475
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Speaker 2: it's sealing a void that they need filled.

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Speaker 3: So this is so let's go back to that, and

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Speaker 3: we'll go back to your reference sort of this these

478
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Speaker 3: moments that sort of mark the accelerant and obviously COVID

479
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Speaker 3: was just off the charts in terms of just people

480
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Speaker 3: trying to connect, feeling totally isolated, disconnected, and they can

481
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Speaker 3: find those relationships online, they can find those groups of interest,

482
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Speaker 3: they can they can literally develop friendships and relationships online

483
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Speaker 3: that the otherwise wouldn't have had necessarily the opportunity, particularly

484
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Speaker 3: during COVID. Yeah, talk to me about you know those years.

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Speaker 3: You talk about twenty twenty one representing sort of a

486
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Speaker 3: peak of consciousness, But what what what do you see

487
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Speaker 3: start to really takes shape during those COVID years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so after twenty twenty, there's a lot of

489
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Speaker 2: new money, both from Trump and Biden flowing around the economy.

490
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Speaker 2: They both did a lot of stimulus and printing, and

491
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Speaker 2: that went into tech startups, and that went into esports,

492
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Speaker 2: and that went into Twitch, and that went into all

493
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Speaker 2: this stuff, and there was a lot of it floating around.

494
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Speaker 2: There was you know, I remember there was the game

495
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Speaker 2: Stop stock craze and everyone wanted to find someone to

496
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Speaker 2: watch on that, and that was These things became cultural

497
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Speaker 2: flashpoints that were taking place entirely online. And then after

498
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, we started to get inflation, a lot

499
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Speaker 2: of inflation that made doing things that weren't online more

500
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Speaker 2: expensive and more difficult. That's combined with COVID, and so

501
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Speaker 2: these things I think combined to push people more into

502
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Speaker 2: online spaces than perhaps natural law would dictate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is what happened, and so it's good

504
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Speaker 1: and bad.

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Speaker 2: You know. As a content creator, COVID was exposure to

506
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Speaker 2: an entirely new audience. It grew big, but it's not

507
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was a good thing for overall,

508
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Speaker 2: you know, That's not how i'd frame it.

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Speaker 4: And what in what way is it not?

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Speaker 3: I mean the unhealthy aspects of what you try to

511
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Speaker 3: get offline so you can get back into a line

512
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Speaker 3: and reconnect with people back in the real world.

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Speaker 4: I mean, in what way was it? Was it?

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I think people people want to

515
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Speaker 2: do that naturally, they just can't. They just it is

516
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Speaker 2: just more difficult.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we want to get to it now,

519
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Speaker 2: but I do want to start talking about gen z men. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and uh, the issue I'm seeing not all of them

521
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Speaker 2: are like it's a broad diverse group, of course, and

522
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Speaker 2: it's a huge point of my audience.

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Speaker 1: And I'm hearing them.

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing their their thoughts a lot. They range from

525
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Speaker 2: angry to openly nihilistic. And the nihilism is what's coming

526
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Speaker 2: is what I sense growing a little bit where they're disillusioned.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think around twenty two three four, you

528
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Speaker 2: probably saw this. On the political side, they drifted more

529
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Speaker 2: servative because they thought that would be the solution. And

530
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Speaker 2: as Donald Trump is proven to be not the answer,

531
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Speaker 2: it's any of their problems and in fact making a

532
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Speaker 2: lot of them worse, making the inflation worse, making the

533
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Speaker 2: economy worse, making then they are now just drifting into

534
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Speaker 2: open nihilism. And that is what I'm saying. And I'm

535
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Speaker 2: not to blame that on the the methods they're using

536
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Speaker 2: to try and not be that is crazy. That's not

537
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Speaker 2: the issue. It's not the discord, it's not the yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, no, I appreciate that, and it's you know,

539
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Speaker 3: but it does beg sort of the larger consciousness that

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Speaker 3: came out of the Trump campaign.

541
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Speaker 4: As it relates to your right.

542
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Speaker 3: He obviously dominated, particularly with young men, but did outperformed

543
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Speaker 3: in ways that I think surprised a lot of folks. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 3: and invested a lot of time and energy into spaces

545
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Speaker 3: where a lot of young men were and where a

546
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Speaker 3: lot of young men are. We talk about podcasts, we

547
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Speaker 3: talk about this sort of manosphere broadly defined, which is

548
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Speaker 3: something that needs to be unpacked. But he did invest

549
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Speaker 3: that time and energy to meet people. Quote unquote where

550
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Speaker 3: they are, and we didn't see that commencarate and investment

551
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Speaker 3: from the Democratic Party. Certainly don't see it from Biden

552
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Speaker 3: or Harris.

553
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Speaker 2: We're not really seeing it now outside. I think I

554
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Speaker 2: appreciate what you're doing here, and I like this podcast

555
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Speaker 2: is a good step. But you know, I saw a

556
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Speaker 2: piece from Esra Kline the other day where he he

557
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Speaker 2: talked about how it seems like and again I'm gonna

558
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Speaker 2: be candid here, it seems like the DNC as a

559
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Speaker 2: whole is trying to run a very similar playbook that

560
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Speaker 2: didn't work and is wondering why they're not getting different results.

561
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Speaker 2: It is shocking to me that with as bad as

562
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Speaker 2: Trump is doing, and it really is. Again, I I

563
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Speaker 2: if I want to be your gen z whisper versecond.

564
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Speaker 1: Again, I'm money, I'm thirty four. They're gonna call me old.

565
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Speaker 2: My hairlines bad, you call me old bald.

566
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Speaker 1: They are.

567
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Speaker 2: They are turning on Donald Trump in a way that

568
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Speaker 2: will come a parent pretty soon.

569
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Speaker 1: But they're not turning towards the Democratic Party.

570
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Speaker 4: Difference.

571
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're equal. He is upset with them, which is

572
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Speaker 2: what I think the problem is. And it's kind of

573
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Speaker 2: crazy that it's not being capitalized no more.

574
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Speaker 1: And I will give you credit.

575
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Speaker 2: I think what you have been doing is kind of

576
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Speaker 2: breaking through the noise. It's showing a little bit of

577
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Speaker 2: I don't know, a spine of like a willingness to

578
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Speaker 2: stand up to what he's doing. But you know, if

579
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: I can be honest, all right, here's what I'll say.

580
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Speaker 2: And you have an announcity thing and this is not

581
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Speaker 2: But there's a theoretical world where you're going to run

582
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Speaker 2: for president.

583
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, you don't say anything. I'm okay.

584
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Speaker 2: A virtual world, yeah, virtual world. Hey, the betting markets

585
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Speaker 2: have you leading. Okay, there's a theoretical world. And uh,

586
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Speaker 2: if if I can get somebody who's not militarizing the

587
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Speaker 2: National Guard and somebody's not shutting down TV shows that

588
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: disagree with them, and somebody's not threatening free and fair elections.

589
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Speaker 1: That's a huge win already. It's a low bar to clear.

590
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Speaker 1: It's an easy clear.

591
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Speaker 2: But you know, realistically from the audience that I'm talking about,

592
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Speaker 2: because again I think I got, like again the last

593
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: chap brought and now I'm feeling fine. They they they

594
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: can't go back to the status quo. Yeah, and they

595
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 2: just can't. They will, they will, They will continue to

596
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: grow more upset and populist and nihilistic unless things seriously change,

597
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Speaker 2: like they have to change on a more fundamental level.

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Speaker 3: Look, so let's start to unpack this because I mean,

599
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Speaker 3: I love the clarity as you painted this picture. I

600
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Speaker 3: mean it's you know, it's pretty pretty black and white

601
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Speaker 3: terms as you painted. I mean, just like this notion

602
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Speaker 3: of nihilism. Yeah, of just like not giving a shit

603
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Speaker 3: about anything.

604
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Speaker 1: In blood exact damn. Yeah.

605
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Speaker 2: And the most extreme example would be someone like Tyler

606
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Speaker 2: Robbins if you look at you know, his and I

607
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Speaker 2: got I'm not not my psycle analyst, not an expert,

608
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Speaker 2: but there seems to be a nihilism to these kind

609
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Speaker 2: of actions and from young people in general that is

610
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Speaker 2: rising where it just feels like if I can't get

611
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Speaker 2: a house, if you're young men, I can't get a partner,

612
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Speaker 2: I can't find a way to be up to feel

613
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Speaker 2: roots in the society that I'm in, then I'm going

614
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Speaker 2: to drift out of it. I'm going to disengage. And

615
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: they would find any tool to do it. In fact,

616
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Speaker 2: I would say that one of the healthiest things they

617
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: can do is gaming and discord because that's with other people.

618
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Speaker 2: They are finding friends. The Discord chefs that I'm in

619
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Speaker 2: are not making me or radicalized. I'm connecting with people

620
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: all over the world. It's great.

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Speaker 1: In fact.

622
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Speaker 2: You know, here's an example. I don't know if you've

623
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Speaker 2: heard about what happened in the Paul recently, can I

624
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: of course with Instagram? Yeah, yeah, So Nepal, their gen

625
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: z youth was deeply upset about rising youth unemployment, rising poverty,

626
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Speaker 2: and they were posting about on social media and they

627
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Speaker 2: were getting angry. Then the government tried to ban social media,

628
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Speaker 2: and that's when they took the streets. That's when they're

629
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Speaker 2: going that's when they're they're rioting, that's when they're going

630
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Speaker 2: crazy because.

631
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Speaker 1: These are the last outlets people have.

632
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Speaker 2: So I just want to give that perspective here, is

633
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Speaker 2: that if Congress is going to haul discord and Twitch

634
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Speaker 2: and read it up there and think that restricting them

635
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Speaker 2: or banning them is going to solve this problem, it

636
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: is not.

637
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Speaker 1: It'd be so clear it is not. It's going to

638
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Speaker 1: make it more virulent.

639
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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think what you're saying is profoundly important, and

641
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to go back, but I want to

642
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: paint this picture because I want to land from exactly

643
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: where you're going, because I think what you're saying is

644
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 3: is it needs to be said, because there were these

645
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: trend lines that pre date all of this for decades

646
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: and decades, and we have the first generation, this gen

647
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Speaker 3: Z is that literally is posed to do much worse

648
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Speaker 3: than their parents' generation. This is the first generation in

649
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Speaker 3: our lifetime, my lifetime certainly, but literally in American history

650
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Speaker 3: where that would be the case. And so this is

651
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Speaker 3: code read and it's led to suicides, it led to dropouts,

652
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: it's led to all kinds of related issues, and it's

653
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: there's guys are screaming, disproportioning men in some respects, and

654
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: no one's paying any damn attention. And now we're looking

655
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Speaker 3: at things, and I love what you're saying. We're looking

656
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: at the platforms and not the underline damn issues.

657
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Speaker 4: No.

658
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I want to get in. I want

659
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Speaker 3: you to hold those stats because I think they're incredibly important.

660
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Speaker 3: But I want to go back just so again, just

661
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: because so many people want to understand and these are

662
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: not root causes, but they're component parts of this larger conversation,

663
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: we talk about the Mano sphere.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean to you? I mean, what is it?

665
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Speaker 2: You know, this is the investment that I think Trump

666
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: and the Republicans made into spaces that are not even

667
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: inherently political. They are spaces where people are talking about

668
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: wrestling or or or UFC or video games or just

669
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: finding connection, often with other men, and just trying to

670
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: understand similar experiences in the world. And they invested in

671
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: those spaces and then hey, on the side, you like this.

672
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: Also on the side, you know, let's stop the woke

673
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: mind virus. So you know what it would be something

674
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: like that. It would be you know, Kamairis is not

675
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: going to help you out, that's the idea. And they

676
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: would mix that in with things people already like, and

677
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: it became very.

678
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Easy to slide in. And it's what's crazy.

679
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that hard for the Democrats to

680
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: join these spaces. Most people like watching sports, most people

681
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: like it's not rocket science. And I think, again, I

682
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: can't overstate how it feels like a ball somewhere is

683
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: being dropped when you can't speak even semi authentically to

684
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: people that are not they're not from a different world.

685
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: They're not that crazy. That's a problem that I would

686
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: point out, and I think they.

687
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Did a good job with it.

688
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: But I will also say this, Listen, We're gonna fight

689
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: in this country about social issues left and right forever,

690
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: it seems. And I really noticed that in the wake

691
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: of this Charlie Kirkt thing, where it's just an endless

692
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: amount of noise from every direction. You are inundated with

693
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: it on social media. Every take goes viral in every direction,

694
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: and nobody is making any progress, and no one's making

695
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: any forward motion. But what I'll say is the main

696
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: thing that I'm seeing and feeling was a deep, a

697
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: deep resentment around costs and inflation and housing. And I

698
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: truly think whichever side can solve those problems will dictate,

699
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: not dictate, but we'll take the lead. On social issues.

700
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: People will go whatever is going to offer them solutions

701
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: on that. And because Trump has not done that like

702
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: you promised, there's there's already a reverse boomerang starting. Okay,

703
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: it's going to go the other way. Regardless of whether

704
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: or not anyone reaches out the podcast, there will be

705
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: a reverse boomerang. But if it goes this way and

706
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: that isn't solved again, it'll be an even stronger That

707
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: is how it's going to play out. I'm certain of it.

708
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, so your time.

709
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Speaker 3: I mean it's you know, unpacking this a little bit.

710
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: It's it's not just about politics. I mean, you talk

711
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: about nihilism more broadly define you. I mean this should

712
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: just you know, despair.

713
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: It's economics, it's economically and so you know, one thing

714
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: as a goal of mine on this podcast is to

715
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: try and get you, not because I understand you have

716
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: to win and not win. Okay, I'm just saying if

717
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: you have, you have to gain support. You're a politician,

718
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: you have to represent more than just some individual base.

719
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: And I think what you're doing talking to people politically

720
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: different than you is is a big step and that's

721
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: awesome and I think that's cool to gain.

722
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Speaker 3: Voters and gain understood more understanding. Yeah, he'll bes gain understanding.

723
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Charlie Kirk on this shows. But when we

724
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 3: launched this podcast is the first and I mean, and

725
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Speaker 3: I got the people were pissed.

726
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Speaker 2: I And you know what's funny is is uh I

727
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: respected more for that I got. I tried to do

728
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: some research and watch some of these some of the

729
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: comments are are brutal on you, and you get it anyway,

730
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: and I respect you to keep doing it, but so

731
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm not here to like push you in a direction

732
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: that is going to make it harder to get a

733
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: broader base. I think politics for try to represent people

734
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: that aren't directly align with them. What I'm trying to

735
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: get you to understand is like, uh, I think I

736
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: want to push you a little bit more economically on.

737
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Speaker 2: You know, in this country, from like the forties to

738
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: the eighties, we had an extremely low Genie coefficient of inequality.

739
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: It was it was low and flat for years, a

740
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Speaker 2: strong rising middle class, and people.

741
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Speaker 1: Broadly feeling we were proud of their country.

742
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: They were it wasn't like Marxism, it wasn't you know,

743
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: it was a capitalist country and businesses could thrive, but

744
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: people felt like they had a real chance. And since

745
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: we've allowed this increased consolidation, since we've continually used government

746
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: funds to prop up the stocks and housing of elderly

747
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: boomers that own it all it is, it has.

748
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Speaker 1: Become more it's a ladder that is fewer and fewer

749
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Speaker 1: rungs to get on.

750
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Speaker 4: Yep.

751
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: And so if there isn't substantive change on that front.

752
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: Nothing else matters. It's what I'm saying. I really believe

753
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: that nothing else matters. It doesn't, it won't break through.

754
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: And I understand that. You know these boomers vote too.

755
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: I again, people give you a lot of crap for

756
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: California housing. It's a tough problem. The more I look

757
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: into it, it's I used to be someone who just

758
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 2: threw around blame really easily, and now I read more

759
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: it's me depressed because it's like it's an impossible, complex problem.

760
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: People that have the housing, they put their life savings

761
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: into it. That's the retirement.

762
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Speaker 1: If you try to bring housing prices down, well, then

763
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Speaker 1: now that person's mad. I get it. But if it

764
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: doesn't change, we're screwed. There's no getting around.

765
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Speaker 2: This is an angry, nihilistic generation that once changed back.

766
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: No and what was the quote unquote California housing crisis

767
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: going back decades in decades, supply.

768
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Speaker 4: Demand, imbalance, nimbiism, a.

769
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Speaker 1: Lot of issues around localism.

770
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Speaker 4: Now it's one.

771
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Speaker 3: Now it's across the board, all across the United States.

772
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Speaker 3: People are feeling those pressures. And that's why I think

773
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: you brought up as a client a moment ago. We

774
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Speaker 3: had them on the podcast too, the whole abundance agenda

775
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 3: and focusing on away from process paralysis and law fare

776
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: and all of the nimbiism to a ymb yes in

777
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 3: my backyard, not know in my backyard mindset, in order

778
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Speaker 3: to break through that and to start to address that

779
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: supply demand in balance to lower costs to ultimately provide

780
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: more act points of opportunity. So I think you're one

781
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: hundred percent right, and I think it's only reinforced the

782
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: broader analysis by the fact there's a lot of Trump

783
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: supporters that otherwise would be Burning supporters or well, absolutely well,

784
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: or vice versa. So this is the sort of notion

785
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: of populism, and not in the pejorative sense, but true

786
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: representative sense recognizing what's missing and giving voice to that. Now,

787
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: the question is the prescriptions that Trump's offering, as you suggest,

788
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more, are sort of proven

789
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 3: to do precisely the opposite. I mean, the largest tax

790
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: increase on middle class and working folks, I eat tariffs,

791
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: inflation that's now starting to go back up, and fed

792
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: policy that is actually not accelerating in terms of decline

793
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: and interest rates. But because of those uncertainties, particularly as

794
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: relates to pressure of inflation, now is not necessarily moving

795
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: as quickly to lower borrowing costs as we are an

796
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: otherwise hope. So I totally agree with that. So let's

797
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: talk just about that. I mean, Scott Galloway.

798
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: Took his class.

799
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: When I was at Nvidio, I was in Scott's class,

800
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: and he's one of the people. The way he spoke,

801
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: not even the content of what he said, the way

802
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 2: he presented. I was like, that is that is something

803
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: I can learn from, and I took to that so

804
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: when I was starting to dream.

805
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Scott, for those that don't know,

806
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: we also have out on the pod as well. He's

807
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he really speaks to the gen Z generation.

808
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: He speaks in generational terms as theft. You look at

809
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: this big, beautiful bill and all this massive tax cuts

810
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: that are burdening the generation that is increasingly already feeling

811
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: like no one gives a damn about them. Yeah, so

812
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: it just reinforces I think the caught arms that you're

813
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: suggesting here in terms of consciousness, that is, as it

814
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 3: relates to the moment.

815
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, you know, I think these these trends

816
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: were in a bad direction before Trump, but he has

817
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: done absolutely nothing to help. I mean, the bigot of

818
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: bill is a disaster. It is a massive, multi trillion

819
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: dollar credit card swipe that we younger people are gonna

820
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: have to pay.

821
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Speaker 1: And I don't know it.

822
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Speaker 4: It's it.

823
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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting getting rid of Social Security anything, but

824
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: it is. It is frustrating as a young working person

825
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: that the biggest line item on the government budget is

826
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: checks to older people, many of whom have houses in

827
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: have a paycheck to it for. You know, it is

828
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Speaker 2: just I think we are not seeing enough go to

829
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: people that are trying to get started in this in

830
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: the country and and get on the ladder.

831
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Speaker 3: And do you see it from I mean, and so

832
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: there's tax policy that's obviously profound and outsize. You know,

833
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: it's interesting when Steve Bannon on as well, and you know,

834
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Speaker 3: he was arguing for progressive tax policy. I said it

835
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: certain point, I said, Steve, you sound like you're governor

836
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: of California arguing for California's progressive e've banon tax pay.

837
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he argues for Lena Kahn as well. It's a

838
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Speaker 2: shocker to me. I'm a huge, Lena khon Fan and

839
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I want to I wanted to push that with you

840
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: as well. Listen those years I'm talking about those low

841
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: uh inequality years in America again probably golden years of America.

842
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: Maybe social policy we could improve, but that's the golden

843
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: years of Economically.

844
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: The key things of that era. We had strong unions.

845
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Speaker 1: We had a.

846
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: Progressive tax policy that had high tax rates on the

847
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: on the on the witeous people.

848
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: We had.

849
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Speaker 2: An anti trust enforcement that stopped constant consolidation. Again this

850
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel thing. People aren't talking enough about how it's

851
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: so clearly Next Star trying to merge with Tegna to

852
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: get an inordinate amount of affiliates in this country. And

853
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: they are just saying whatever Trump wants to hear so

854
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: that they can get this bill, this bill sign.

855
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 4: It's uh.

856
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 2: It all comes back to economics, is what I'm trying

857
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: to really get across. And and it's a it's a

858
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: core part of my content is we can we can

859
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: fight forever on social issues and we always will. And

860
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: and in the social media area, I just realized how

861
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: useless it is because algorithms will give you the opinion

862
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: you want and the one you hate, and they'll make

863
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: that one look stupid, and they'll give you the comments

864
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: that support you, and it's just no point in argue.

865
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of it.

866
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Speaker 2: Most people are tired of it, and so I just

867
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: think we have to just we had a really rain

868
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Speaker 2: like focusing on the economics, because that's where we're gonna

869
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: make a difference.

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Speaker 1: People can feel that change.

871
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: They can feel rents are going down in La I've

872
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: noticed it. I saw, I saw a staff. People do

873
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: feel it. It takes a while. They probably don't give

874
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: everybody credit. They're not giving it, but it happens. If

875
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: you guys could get at California the high speed rail built.

876
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: I know it's like an impossible legal challenge and everyone

877
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: blocks it every step.

878
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm not We're on the other side of the legal

879
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: environmental We're actually starting to lay track. We're actually decades

880
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: and decades. I can't make up for the past, but

881
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: I can. I have to be accountable to the present,

882
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: and we're finally laying tracks. We're finally moving forward on

883
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: the Damn project. Two two hundred and seventy parcels had

884
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: to be procured through eminent domain and other means. Decade

885
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: of just just moving like in quick saning inches and

886
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: then all the environmental where all that now is behind us,

887
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: finally moving to lay the damn track.

888
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: And I want to say, when someone gets on that

889
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: train and rides it and it makes their life five

890
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: ten percent more convenient, they notice, they feel it. That

891
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: stuff does matter. And I just so let's.

892
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: Say YouTube about housing, rents, rents too damn high, sure

893
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: housing transportation?

894
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: What else? I mean, how about wages?

895
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean is that sure?

896
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: So gen Z men, unemployment for gen Z men who

897
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: are college graduates is the same as those that haven't

898
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: graduated college. They're getting this degree and getting no material

899
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: benefit in terms of the stats.

900
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: You know, No, that's just and that's just started.

901
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: We're just starting to see that Jake shape. There was

902
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: always that college premium, and now for the first time

903
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: with these remarkable it's this was not quote unquote as

904
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: people said, Oh, you've got this sort of useless philosophy

905
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: degree and you can't get a real job with it.

906
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: Now these are folks with actual those computers and computer

907
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: science and.

908
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: They can't they can't get a job.

909
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: And and by the way, philosophy is not useless.

910
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: In fact, in many ways, philosophy is the preferred course nowadays,

911
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: which is.

912
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah no so yeah they are they are.

913
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: Sorry no so, I mean you're re entering a job market.

914
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: It's more difficult than ever people now. People don't even

915
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: want to go to college, right, I mean, you get

916
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: this your teal frame.

917
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: So look, not only did, they're not getting the premium

918
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: from going to college.

919
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: College has never been more.

920
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Expensive for these young men, especially for these gen Z

921
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: people who had to go to college during COVID. I

922
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: can't tell you what a sucker punch it has to

923
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: be to pay way more than your parents ever paid

924
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: to go to Zoom College where yeah, and this is

925
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: not you know, we talk about discord and Reddit and

926
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: gaming shanging in the world. I got to talk to

927
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: you as well as well about AI and chat GPT. Listen, Governor,

928
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if someone else that your staff is

929
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: telling you this. Every high school in California, and there's

930
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: great ones, every college in California, people are cheating with

931
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: Chad GPT. Professors are writing Rubert's CHATGBT and then grading

932
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: with CHATGUBT. People are paying absurd amounts of money to

933
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: get to do not It's all a farce.

934
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's everybody.

935
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: People are very smart and learning, but this is happening

936
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: and we have again this is a bigger problem with Trump.

937
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: But our secretary education is like from the WWE, it's.

938
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: It's literally it's yeah, literally, though I think you're making

939
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: that up.

940
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: Actually was the co founder, Yes.

941
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: And I see a speech with her and she's talking

942
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: about how these kids need to learn about A one.

943
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: She doesn't even know what she can't even pronounce it

944
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: a one. And this is changing literally education rapidly. So

945
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: again I I I hate to.

946
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Put it all on you, You're one person.

947
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: In it, but I'm just this is my my id

948
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: screaming out to the void that I'm hearing is like

949
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: things are changing rapidly, and I don't feel like the

950
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: d n C particularly is like throwing out the old playbook.

951
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: That's that's it. It just won't work.

952
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: And are you and when you?

953
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: When you when the folks that you're interacting with, are

954
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: they Is this a gender issue as well?

955
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: From the perspective, it's an interesting question. Uh, definitely. It

956
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: feels like young women are adapting more to the society

957
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: we have now. They are just finding a way to

958
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: get to college, get on the corporate ladder. And you know,

959
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: I think got Gallway talks about this. There's an idea

960
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: generally that men are fine dating sociod economically equal or down,

961
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: and women dien'ally want to date equal or up. So

962
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: it reduces the amount of partners available for men who

963
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: can't get on the economic ladder, which makes them more

964
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: disengaged and more you know, it's a it's a snowball effect. Again,

965
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: it's not women's fault, but this is this is what's happening,

966
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: and it creates this simmering misogyny in online spaces, and

967
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: it creates this But it comes back to economics. Is

968
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: all I can say over and over again is it

969
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: comes back to economics. And again, if I could spoil

970
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: it down to one word, it's like radicalism is when

971
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: no house, if you can't get a house, if you

972
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: don't see a path to get a house.

973
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: And I hear this all the time. They're there.

974
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: Some of them are working, they're working decent jobs, they're

975
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: working hard. It's not even feasible in a lot of

976
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: these cities to ever get a house. You can't save

977
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: up enough or without taking on an absurd amount of debt. Ever,

978
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: it's just not possible. And h And if you picked

979
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: one thing to focus in on, that would be it,

980
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: because they that's the biggest thing to put you as

981
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: part of society or outside of society. If once you

982
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: feel like you can get on that ladder, you're okay,

983
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: you can calm down, you can find a party, you

984
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 2: can vote. But if you can't see that, it's what's

985
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: the point. Why am I doing it? Why am I

986
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: working this job for a boss? I hate for wages

987
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: that are only okay, I'm never gonna get another step up.

988
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I feel like I've said that enough.

989
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 3: I no, no, look again, I appreciate it and again

990
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: bouncing back and forth because it's I think it's important

991
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: you talk about you. You brought up the frame the

992
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: word misogyny. Yeah, and finding back to the sort of manosphere. Yeah,

993
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: it comes in many forms and manifestations. So I think

994
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: there's sort of a laziness quote unquote the manosphere of

995
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 3: what it means.

996
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: Or doesn't mean.

997
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: But there are misogynistic aspects of the manosphere, and there

998
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: are people that have been very successful in that space.

999
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: The sort of Andrew Tates of the world and some respects,

1000
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: I mean the fair un far Edwin Ross and you

1001
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: know the Joe Peterson tires.

1002
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what what do you what do you

1003
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: make of.

1004
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: That in the context of the vernacular of the world

1005
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: that you you've been navigating and generationally, what you're sort

1006
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: of understanding of all that.

1007
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

1008
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: The worst part about consecration, Uh, Gavin Newsom is that

1009
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: that's uh, my dad's a lifelong Republican. He uh not

1010
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: not a Trumper, thank god, but he so. I don't

1011
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: think he's the world's biggest Gavenusom fan baby. But I

1012
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: did a very small interview with you a while agall livestream. Yeah,

1013
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: and I called you Gavin. Yeah, he called me afterward

1014
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: he said you called him governor.

1015
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: I appreciate him, but I also appreciate you. Gavin words

1016
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: the military new scum, but from the trust, I think

1017
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: you can tell I could handle Gavin better than new scum,

1018
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: which the six year olds used to call me.

1019
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: The hell of a thing.

1020
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: When an eighty six year olds calling me that, eighty nine,

1021
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: mister Trump, You're eighty nine.

1022
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Uh, the misogyny.

1023
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing about consecration is you have a

1024
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: direct financial incentive at all times to feed into people's

1025
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: resentment and to feed into their anger, and to feed

1026
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: into it is just the way the algorithms work. I

1027
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: thought about this deeply in the wake of Charlie Kirkhouse,

1028
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: thinking about what I wanted to say, and I was

1029
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: looking around the Internet, and I realized, it doesn't matter

1030
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: what I say. It'll just be fed to the person

1031
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: that agrees with me. It doesn't if I say something

1032
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: that pisces somebody off, they'll never see it again.

1033
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: It'll it'll go into the void. We are going through

1034
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: an algorithm that just decides what you want to see.

1035
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: So in that case, there is a strong financial incentive

1036
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: to tell people who can't find a house or a

1037
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: partner that it's immigrant's fault, or it's women's fault, or

1038
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: it's you whoever it's or it's the woke mind virus

1039
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: or what they'll tell you, it's someone's fault. And that's

1040
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: very comforting.

1041
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very very comforting if you're in that spot

1042
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: to have an enemy, to have someone you can rally

1043
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: around and get angry at. And again, on the space

1044
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm in in twitch, the most right wing aspects of

1045
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Twitch are mostly talking about how man these people are

1046
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: ruining gaming, you know, because it's people want to play games.

1047
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: They'll be like, oh, there's there's these female characters lead

1048
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: it in leading the game, and it's like, again, this

1049
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: is a tiny problem, but it unites these people them

1050
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: in the rally around and so.

1051
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a symptom. Is what I'll

1052
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: say though, is the missogy.

1053
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably amplified by this, but it's because

1054
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: they are resentful and someone's going to fill that void

1055
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: and tell them it's this person's problem.

1056
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: So is that I mean, is that why tell me?

1057
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of these spaces, I mean, then

1058
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: there's sort of that echo chamber, and then you get

1059
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: that confirmation bias, the algorithms reinforcing that your worldview is

1060
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: colored in, it's amplified, it becomes bigger, and you become

1061
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: more convinced or ideological in that space at the same time,

1062
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: and in some places that leads you to you know,

1063
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: comfortable place. Other places can leave you a radicalized place,

1064
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: which could manifest offline in pretty you know, pretty significant ways.

1065
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: Right.

1066
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'll say is people have gotten radicalized in

1067
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: human history without these platforms. Yeah, and it's because it's

1068
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's usually when inequality has reached a breaking point.

1069
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: You go to the twenties and thirties or whatever in.

1070
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Germany.

1071
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't think they were I don't think Germans were

1072
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: a different people. They were just they had hyperinflation, they

1073
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: had bad economic problems, and it led to radicalization. This

1074
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: happens in human history all over. People people feel like

1075
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: they can't get on the ladder, they start going to edges.

1076
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: I do think that the Internet has made it faster,

1077
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: it's made it quicker, it's made it more virulent. It

1078
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: lets people get larger groups quick. There's a danger to that,

1079
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: but it's not the it's not the core of the problem.

1080
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: It's not banning. It will not change things. What I'm

1081
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: trying to say, Yeah.

1082
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 3: You know, and the example of Nepal is a cautionary Yeah.

1083
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 3: Respect and that's a hell of a cautionary tale.

1084
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: People don't not familiar with it.

1085
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: I mean, just look that, uh look it up and

1086
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: to see what happened and of just an almost just

1087
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: they lit a match, so they did, and how almost

1088
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Speaker 3: overnight that rat at lease change the course.

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Speaker 2: It's actually incredible because you know, I'm in the Nepalese.

1090
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Their gen Z movement is all in a giant eight

1091
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: hundred thousand person discord server, and they're voting to decide

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Speaker 2: the next prime minister, which they interim prime minister.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have an actual vote, but it's it is

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Speaker 1: a wild.

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Speaker 2: Small example of how the Internet is going to fuse

1096
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: with these actual resentments to create change, whether people like

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00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: it or not, unless they're addressed.

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Speaker 3: What do you just in terms of addressing more broadly

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Speaker 3: what's going on in the Internet, what's your sort of

1100
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: broader sense of social media's responsibility in that space to

1101
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 3: police itself, to police to police well speech, to deal

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00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: with the extremes, to have at least some cues that

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00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: expressed some concern. Yeah, if things I mean or is

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Speaker 3: it just complete?

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Speaker 1: It's a very tough question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I have the answer to it,

1107
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: because the answer everyone will give you is obviously there's

1108
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: some speech that is too far, but nobody knows. You know,

1109
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: people have such different views, and so one person's this

1110
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: is a totally normal, fair thing to say, is the

1111
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: other person that's horrible disinformation needs to be.

1112
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Speaker 1: Banned and we've seen the shoe on both feet.

1113
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: Now we've seen people that are really mad about, uh,

1114
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: the way Twitter handled itself during COVID are now hyper

1115
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: defending the president's right to take down a late night

1116
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: host for making a mild jab in his direct I mean,

1117
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: it's people are very hypocritical on this front, because free

1118
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: speech sounds great when it's the speech you like. So

1119
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't have the I'm not

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Speaker 2: the guy to give you the right answer on that.

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Speaker 2: I would just say, you know, human history has shown

1122
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: time and time again the censorship is is a tool

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00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: for people that cannot win in the public sphere. They

1124
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: can't find a way to get their point across.

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Speaker 4: So is violence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and violence, yeah one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what what about you just go back to just

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Speaker 3: AI generally?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how is that?

1130
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Speaker 3: And I'm just curious in terms of just what's happening

1131
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: in the gaming space as well more broadly, Yeah, even

1132
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: in the esports space, what's.

1133
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 4: Happening as well?

1134
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Speaker 3: Gambling how I mean, and how it just seems to

1135
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: me that's sort of an inter of part of all

1136
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: of this as well. We talk about what you know,

1137
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: kick and others. It sort of seems like they're moving

1138
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: more and more in that direction. Crypto gaming, I mean,

1139
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: are gambling what I mean? It just maybe illuminate a

1140
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: little bit.

1141
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to talk to you about.

1142
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: You know, people are talking about how video games are

1143
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: the problems with young men. I'll tell you the biggest

1144
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: two things that are destroying young men's ability to get

1145
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: financially on their feet is crypto and gambling. Sports gambling particularly,

1146
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: These two things are a a viral cancer that are

1147
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: just ripping these people's ability to get a financial leg

1148
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: up apart. Young men are are attacked with ads non

1149
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: stop on off rink because again, if you are financially stuck,

1150
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: if you don't see a path to with your normal

1151
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: wages getting a house, then you have to take that

1152
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: one hundred x bet. You take that odd you to

1153
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: take that crazy bet. And whether that's punting all your

1154
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: money on a weird meme coin and praying, or it's

1155
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: putting it on seven leg parlay on DraftKings, that is

1156
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: why they're doing this, and that is just stealing their

1157
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: money every day, and it's making them more frustrated and depressed. Again,

1158
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: I find those two things I speak about them all

1159
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: the time, those two things and buy now, pay later.

1160
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: These buy out, pay later companies are just offering people

1161
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: the ability to buy things they cannot afford and putting

1162
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: them on stuck in debt cycles early on small purchases.

1163
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: People are buying out pay later in groceries.

1164
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: And and all these three things. Yeah, crypto game, I'm

1165
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: glad you buy this up. These things are what I'm

1166
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: seeing among gen z the most are just attacking them

1167
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: financially and at the time when they really don't need it. They,

1168
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: more than any boomers can take this. Gen Z cannot

1169
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: take loss of you know, this month's paycheck on a crypto.

1170
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: They just can't do it. And so uh yeah, I

1171
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: am strongly. I mean, it's so crazy because we barely

1172
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: regulated crypto under Biden. We were making them progress and

1173
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: now it's out the it's out the window, Kevin. I mean,

1174
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: it's the president made five billion off a meme coin.

1175
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: It's it's ridiculous. I I I find it so deeply

1176
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: frustrating when I see these crypto grifters or David Sachs

1177
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 2: as a cryptos are with all these business interests. It's

1178
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: so frustrated and to see them just milk regular people

1179
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: dry on on uh on crypto and and and then

1180
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: every sports thing you watch is five hundred gambling ads.

1181
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: Uh I don't know. Yeah, sorry, I went on.

1182
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: A rant there. Those two things. Actually I'm very passionate

1183
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: about because I don't see the upside. I really don't.

1184
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't see who's benefiting outside of you know, putting

1185
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: a casino in everybody's pocket is just a stupid idea.

1186
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: No, look, I mean I'm I'm dealing with it with

1187
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: my son right now that the thirteen year old is

1188
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: like definitely, well, you know, why are you working?

1189
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 4: You know, you're such a loser.

1190
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: Usually make you one hundred and seventy grand a year

1191
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: as governor sympathetic you know, I'm making I made, you know,

1192
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: fifty bucks. Look at this fifteen minutes, you know, and

1193
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: look at what now I'm done a three buck?

1194
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 4: Wait, no, I make seventy five.

1195
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: Like literally is like an attic waking up and late

1196
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: at night, giving the phone, Give me a phone just

1197
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: one second to see if.

1198
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: He's chex stalks three dollars or Robin one hundred percent. Damn,

1199
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: that is what's happening. And that idea of like, why

1200
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: the hell would I work? Why would I add up

1201
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 2: my money over thirty years?

1202
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: No, he thinks I'm the biggest idiot in them.

1203
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I've seen all the time.

1204
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: You know, I talk finances to my audience a lot.

1205
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: It's a big part of my contents business and finances,

1206
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: and man, they just they're being fed this idea that

1207
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: like the saving money is is stupid. It's stupid, It'll

1208
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: never work. Inflations can eat that away. You have to

1209
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: take these high risk beds. Yeah, but they don't frame

1210
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: him as high risks. They frame him as guarantees. They

1211
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: frame him his shirt. I made the mistake of buying.

1212
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 3: Getting YouTube videos of Warren Buffett or bored getting him,

1213
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: then coloring books.

1214
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: That are versions of worn By.

1215
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: If it's lessons, he's like, old guy, Yeah, who is

1216
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: this guy?

1217
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: What is?

1218
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: What the hell is?

1219
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: You know?

1220
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: There's this dude that's online. Man that just told me

1221
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: like literally, I don't even remember who is the financial

1222
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: advisor is, but he's some guy like literally some YouTube guy.

1223
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah that is that is.

1224
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 3: Luckily we only have a thousand bucks that he's been

1225
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: able to say, so will survive is lesson but hopefully

1226
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: I'll have an early lesson. Look, I appreciate the lesson

1227
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: though you're you're you're trying to preach here, at least

1228
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: express is a deeper understanding of these more systemic issues,

1229
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: and that we can get caught up and finding scapegoats.

1230
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: We can get caught up and finding conspiracy theories are

1231
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: just the easy out. And as you suggest, I mean,

1232
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 3: if the oversight, if the lessons on what what is

1233
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: alleged to have occurred UH with this tragedy with Charlie Kirk,

1234
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: is to then haul up people on Discord UH and

1235
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: the CEOs of Twitch and and all these things, we're

1236
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: missing a deeper, deeper Yeah.

1237
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's a massive wrong direction that

1238
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: is just going to to lead to more of what

1239
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: we're already seeing, more spiraling, more, more anger more. I

1240
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 2: feel like the politicians don't hear the voice, don't understand,

1241
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, if they want to haul up these CEOs

1242
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: and ask them about how the platforms work, get about

1243
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: understanding that, sure, But if they're there to like point

1244
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: the finger that Discord caused this or or Twitch caused this,

1245
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: it's it. I just promise you it's absurd. I promise

1246
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: you it will change nothing. They'll go, They'll go, They'll

1247
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: go deeper into the internet. They'll just burrow deeper somewhere else.

1248
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: These are relatively safe, moderated platforms. These are not the problem.

1249
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: This is it's just people using the Internet to try

1250
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: and find connection where they can't find it in real

1251
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: life because there's there's not opportunities.

1252
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: Lemonade Stand, what's the what's the goal with the podcast

1253
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 3: is it? Is it to illuminate an entrepreneurial mindset the

1254
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 3: notion of a lemonade stand. Many of our first business

1255
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 3: experiences with selling lemonade, differentiating our brand, decommoditizing a common

1256
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: selling it for an extra five cents, twenty five cents,

1257
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: or you know, fresh lemonade versus the sugar version.

1258
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 4: What's what's the idea behind it?

1259
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: Lemonade stands our podcast. It's myself, my friend Aiden, and

1260
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: my friend Doug. All of them are concentrators, Doug Doug,

1261
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: Doug Doug even to get.

1262
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 4: Your homeworn buddy.

1263
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: And the idea was, we are three guys who are

1264
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 2: only qualified to run a lemonade stand. We're not We're

1265
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: not bringing deep es bertise here. We have business backgrounds.

1266
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: We have, you know, backgrounds of our own. We've started

1267
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 2: these media, these small media companies. But really we're we're

1268
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: just going to do our best to understand and read

1269
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: about what's going on and present it in a way

1270
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: with the lingo and the slang and the of what

1271
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: this audience wants.

1272
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: To hear it in.

1273
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: That's the idea. We're not going to be right about everything,

1274
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: but we're not going to be trying to sway you.

1275
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: We're not going to be trying we we have no

1276
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: ulterior motive. We're just interested in talking about it with

1277
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: each other.

1278
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Speaker 4: I love it.

1279
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 3: Well, it's fun to talk about everything we just talked

1280
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: about with each other. I appreciate you bring in your

1281
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: authentic voice and perspective on us, and I also appreciate

1282
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: your stubbornness on pay attention to the thing that is

1283
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: the thing that explains all of the other things, and

1284
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: that are these sort of tectonic plates of wealth and

1285
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: income inequality that are growing and growing, and a divide

1286
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: that is not just a political divide, that is a

1287
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: societal divide and unless we address uh, forget which party

1288
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 3: you're associated with, but the whole fabric of our Society

1289
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: is going to fray apart.

1290
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: Adrux thanks Man for being with us.

1291
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Thank you