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Speaker 1: here on this March thirty first. It's a cloudy Tuesday
Speaker 1: morning and we are all remote instead of being inside
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Knell Yeoman's here alongside well, I guess alongside
Speaker 1: heck my hair us and as he would be, to
Speaker 1: my left, I've got Rob Phillips below me, and then
Speaker 1: in the caddy corner from where I am, the Great
Speaker 1: Danny Serett joins Talking Cowboys. How are we doing, guys?
Speaker 1: What an intro? That's cow for you? Man? I'm doing
Speaker 1: good about I'm doing good. Rob. How's it hanging down
Speaker 1: there in quarantine? I know you've got a new baby
Speaker 1: in the house, so it must be a little bit
Speaker 1: nice to stay home. I'm getting notifications on my phone
Speaker 1: as we speak that her crib is detecting movement, but
Speaker 1: I think she's asleep, so I think we're good. I'm
Speaker 1: glad everybody is properly social distanced and doing well, and
Speaker 1: I hope that this next hour can be a nice
Speaker 1: distraction for Cowboy fans for sure. Absolutely, and there's plenty
Speaker 1: to talk about as well, because there's some new additions
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, definitely some moves that could be
Speaker 1: made over the next couple of weeks as we're closing
Speaker 1: in Thursday marks three weeks from the NFL AFT and
Speaker 1: then following that, who knows how this roster is going
Speaker 1: to shape out before we head into training camp. But
Speaker 1: it is a new group here here for Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We're excited about it, and I want to wish the
Speaker 1: best to Mickey's Pagnola, as we love having Mickey around
Speaker 1: to keep us all in check, for sure, but we're
Speaker 1: excited about his new show, mix Shots coming up in
Speaker 1: the next couple of days. I believe, I think they're
Speaker 1: going to try and get that started this week, and
Speaker 1: I know he and Bill Jones are going to do
Speaker 1: a magnificent job on mix Shots. But with that being said,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and dive into this free agency update.
Speaker 1: A trio of players that have been signed by the
Speaker 1: Cowboys as free agents that have made some noise at
Speaker 1: least since we last convened here on Talking Cowboys. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start with the defensive tackle position. Don Terry pos
Speaker 1: signed by the Cowboys two years, two and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars, and this is an individual who had four
Speaker 1: sacks last year. He's pretty solid in the past rush
Speaker 1: and thirty second rated interior defensive lineman on Pro Football
Speaker 1: Focus and just for reference for Pro Football Focus and
Speaker 1: where that kind of lies is thirty second. That means
Speaker 1: he's one of the top at least starting guys. He's
Speaker 1: listed as a starter on Pro Football Focus. But also
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins was a sixty five and that's probably who
Speaker 1: he would be replacing, So that's just kind of a
Speaker 1: reference there. But Rob will start with you, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this post signing and what does it
Speaker 1: do to beef up that defensive line. Well, first off,
Speaker 1: the football reference I use it. I know the head
Speaker 1: coach uses it, Mike McCarthy. He kind of collaborated collaborated
Speaker 1: with those guys last year while he was taking a
Speaker 1: year off, so there is validity to it. I like
Speaker 1: the move because I do think at some point they
Speaker 1: needed to address the size up front. And it requires
Speaker 1: a philosophy change for this team. You know, Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: wanted those quicker, more athletic defensive linemen to get up
Speaker 1: the field and penetrate trying to make plays in the backfield.
Speaker 1: And obviously that's still a part of it no matter
Speaker 1: what size you are at the NFL level, But I
Speaker 1: think some of the problems they've had in the run
Speaker 1: defense has been attributed to their size upfront. And you know,
Speaker 1: you're not going to find many defensive tackles, as you said, Kyle,
Speaker 1: with the productivity of Don Terry Poe and including the
Speaker 1: size that he brings up at three hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five pounds. And you know, when you go back and
Speaker 1: you look at this Cowboys defense and where they've struggled,
Speaker 1: they've been pretty good overall the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and they have good young players, They have good young linebackers,
Speaker 1: but they this stat just really jumped out of me.
Speaker 1: I did it right before we went on the show.
Speaker 1: There are three and fourteen the last two years when
Speaker 1: they've given up a hundred yards rushing or more. That
Speaker 1: has been their calling card, stopping the run. And when
Speaker 1: they haven't done that, they have really struggled, so I
Speaker 1: like the move up front. I think Gerald McCoy as well,
Speaker 1: who's agreed to a deal, gives them some more size,
Speaker 1: some more versatility. And I think that's other part of
Speaker 1: poles game maybe people don't know, is that he came
Speaker 1: from a three four scheme in the past, but he's
Speaker 1: also played a fourth three front, which is kind of
Speaker 1: in line with Mike Nolan's history too. Is a guy
Speaker 1: that's coached multiple schemes and I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what they're going for here with this defense. Ama, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I man, I'm extremely excited about Don Terry Poe.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that coming out of Memphis was a
Speaker 1: dog and definitely the production that he had in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: also in Atlanta and also in Carolina after well obviously
Speaker 1: before the injury. But man, Don Terry Pole is big
Speaker 1: for a person man three hundred and forty pounds. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is all of that and what he's able to
Speaker 1: do at the point of attack in the running game.
Speaker 1: He's a person that he's a guy that doesn't give
Speaker 1: up his chest, so you don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: him getting pushed off of the line of scrimmage. But
Speaker 1: he's able to do a lot of things for a
Speaker 1: guy his size that you wouldn't necessarily accept, being able
Speaker 1: to rip and sit and anchor himself down in the
Speaker 1: running game, but also coming after quarterbacks, he pushes that
Speaker 1: pocket in the middle and makes it literally impossible. He's
Speaker 1: gonna that's what he's gonna create for the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: making that pocket not so clean for four quarterbacks. And look, guys,
Speaker 1: that football has changed so much now where most of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are in a shotgun anyway, and so getting
Speaker 1: to the quarterback and be having someone that can be
Speaker 1: effective and also stopping the run. As as Rob alluded to,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were just dreadful in the in the running game.
Speaker 1: I mean we got slashed a lot, and it was
Speaker 1: on those delayed draws and screens where we were really
Speaker 1: liable because we had those smaller guys that were just
Speaker 1: trying to get up the field to create that rush.
Speaker 1: And so now with the girth movement as I'm calling it,
Speaker 1: with McCoy and Dune Terry Pole, you have guys that
Speaker 1: are consummate professionals that also have that size to bring
Speaker 1: on a delayed rush. But also, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: just the size and athleticism of the dune Terry Pole.
Speaker 1: That's really that excitement. He has that ability to dip swim.
Speaker 1: And also you said four sacks last year, and again
Speaker 1: that was all about a guy like him collapse in
Speaker 1: the pocket and getting those that getting those pressures. Danny
Speaker 1: Robin Hack might have touched on all the techniques that
Speaker 1: Poe brings. But I think something that's interesting too for
Speaker 1: Poe and the other defensive tackle Jeremy McCoy, which I
Speaker 1: know we'll get to Kyle, is the leadership. These guys
Speaker 1: are long time veterans, and I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: really important on this defensive line because right now, the
Speaker 1: only other starter that we know about is DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: really because we don't know about Tyrone Crawford coming off
Speaker 1: those hip surgeries and or what's going to happen with
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory if he's going to be reinstated. So I
Speaker 1: think this veteran leadership is going to be really important
Speaker 1: for the defensive line, especially with younger players. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about Tristan Hill. I would hope that these veterans
Speaker 1: will be able to help him and other young players
Speaker 1: progress and really bring that fire that I feel like
Speaker 1: the defensive line was missing this last year, and to
Speaker 1: touch Bay. When I think about the poor run defense,
Speaker 1: all I can think about are all those quarterback runs
Speaker 1: and it's pretty pretty miserable to think back on that.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to have these two bigger defensive tackles
Speaker 1: out on the line. Well, I think one of the
Speaker 1: biggest winners with those with those Gaby runs, I think
Speaker 1: one of the biggest winners though, out of these two signings,
Speaker 1: both Don Terry Po and Gerald McCoury, and the linebackers
Speaker 1: also because it really does free them up to have
Speaker 1: two big, beefy bodies in the middle to that are
Speaker 1: able to stop the run, that are able to even
Speaker 1: present a little bit of pass rush. That kind of
Speaker 1: lets the pressure off of those linebackers like a Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith or a Shan Lee. And we'll see if Laton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and his health comes back into plain later on.
Speaker 1: But this kind of brings up the question of now,
Speaker 1: with these two signings Poe McCoy, who's gonna be the
Speaker 1: three technique and who's gonna be the one technique. I
Speaker 1: know they played a little bit of both last year
Speaker 1: in Carolina. I know that we've kind of talked about
Speaker 1: it before with this this Mike Nolan led defense that
Speaker 1: that's going to be a little bit of a hybrid. Look,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna be pigeonholed into a four three or three four.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit different back and forth
Speaker 1: than you're gonna see some multiple in there. Defensively, But
Speaker 1: if we were going to try and pigeonhole these guys,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the one technique and who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the three because they could really play both, Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: say Poe is gonna be your one and McCoy is
Speaker 1: gonna be your three, just because some size alone, he's
Speaker 1: gonna line up in that a gap between the center
Speaker 1: and the guard. That's just his specialty. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: But he's also versa little I mean, he has a
Speaker 1: lot in his tool belt that allows him to move
Speaker 1: on the outside as well. And the Cowboys in the
Speaker 1: past have done a lot of those stunts. We don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what Mike Nolan's gonna do to that regard,
Speaker 1: but it would appear to me that done Terry Poe
Speaker 1: is going to be your one in McCoy the three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you go to a three man line, you
Speaker 1: know Poe can play, definitely play that zero technique, can
Speaker 1: just be that true nose guard for you. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: agreed with Ecmo on that one. And I think and
Speaker 1: I think McCoy's verstal enough too in a four man
Speaker 1: line to kick out and play some some edge rusher
Speaker 1: as well. I think that's one reason they like him too.
Speaker 1: One thing though, I want to you know what, before
Speaker 1: I would get to that, Danny made a good point
Speaker 1: about Tristan Hill and how you know, he fit Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli's scheme on paper and it didn't work out last year.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting what Mike McCarthy said when he got
Speaker 1: hired about it. If you're getting rid of good players
Speaker 1: or not looking at good players because of your scheme alone,
Speaker 1: then you got to look at your scheme. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what they're doing in the Cowboys front office
Speaker 1: and coaching staff this past year, and trying to just
Speaker 1: get good players and see how they how they fit
Speaker 1: and then kind of adapt the scheme to that. And
Speaker 1: I think maybe the Cowboys felt like they've been a
Speaker 1: little too rigid in their scheme and maybe these guys
Speaker 1: can bring a little bit more versatility. And again as
Speaker 1: we watching the size upfront as well, Yeah, Danny d
Speaker 1: was a great point also Danny again, Tristan Hill is
Speaker 1: a guy that's become enigma attic in a very short
Speaker 1: period of time for the Cowboys because of his draft
Speaker 1: you know how how he was as a draft pick
Speaker 1: and his lack of production. We didn't get to see
Speaker 1: a lot of him on film, but you know that
Speaker 1: there's talent there. He's gonna be a guy that I
Speaker 1: believe that we'll back up Jerald McCoy. We don't know
Speaker 1: again with Crawford what's going to happen as far as
Speaker 1: next season this season because of the hip surgeries, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy that was a big part of the
Speaker 1: leadership on the defensive line, and you saw that was
Speaker 1: missing as far as the leadership that he bought to
Speaker 1: that group. So I'm hoping that with the combination of
Speaker 1: all of these veterans, Crawford, McCoy, and Pole, that that's
Speaker 1: going to make the difference for a young guy like
Speaker 1: Hell because you saw last year he had some maturity issues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I think go for Danny Good. I will say
Speaker 1: too I do feel like it was a very unique
Speaker 1: scenario for how we are all evaluating pill because he
Speaker 1: was a second round draft pick, but the Cowboys traded
Speaker 1: their first round draft pick for Amari Cooper to Oakland
Speaker 1: so and the Cowboys I see was the first round pick,
Speaker 1: but of course he would have liked to have seen
Speaker 1: a little more from him in his rookie year last year.
Speaker 1: I will say about the defensive tackle signing, something that
Speaker 1: excites me is at the beginning of the off season,
Speaker 1: the entire new coaching staff was available to the media,
Speaker 1: and when I was talking with a defensive line coach,
Speaker 1: Jim Tomsula, something that stood out to meet was he
Speaker 1: had said, you know, I want players where like they're
Speaker 1: not going to look to me ready to come out
Speaker 1: and take a break. So when I see that we're
Speaker 1: getting these defensive lineman sign and I know that they're
Speaker 1: doing the research, I get excited because I know these
Speaker 1: are going to be players who are going to want
Speaker 1: to fight and they're not going to want to come
Speaker 1: off the field. I like that that's the count of
Speaker 1: player you need. You need some dogs up front that
Speaker 1: are going to plow the line, free up those linebackers
Speaker 1: and potentially win some battles in the trenches. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the edge of that defensive line a
Speaker 1: little bit later on with some scenarios, maybe even scenarios,
Speaker 1: but also some draft prospects as well that could fill
Speaker 1: that edge rusher spot. Moving on to the next signing
Speaker 1: from last week, tight end Blake Bell. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy that brings back bad memories for me because
Speaker 1: I grew up a fan of the Baylor Bears. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Waco, and back in twenty thirteen, he
Speaker 1: was the quarterback for Oklahoma and they called him the
Speaker 1: Belldoz or one of my favorite nicknames in college football history.
Speaker 1: The Belldozer just did everything that you couldn't stop. I
Speaker 1: guess for OU, he just kind of plowed through the line.
Speaker 1: Now he's a tight end, though he was a quarterback
Speaker 1: in college. He's been a tight end in the league
Speaker 1: really since he entered. But this is a guy who
Speaker 1: can do a lot of things. And Rob I saw
Speaker 1: yesterday on one of the pieces on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com somebody asked if this could be our Taysom Hill,
Speaker 1: of course, referring to the Saints quarterback. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily a great comparison, but it's a
Speaker 1: guy who can do a lot of things for you,
Speaker 1: and it really kind of clears up exactly where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are going at that tight in spot. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of I don't know if I snapped at
Speaker 1: that mail back question, but I just didn't want I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want Taysom Hill. I don't want Blake
Speaker 1: Bell to take Dak Prescott off the field. And that's
Speaker 1: what the question was getting at, you know, because obviously
Speaker 1: we've seen with Hill in New Orleans they found ways
Speaker 1: to put him in at quarterback and take Drew Brees
Speaker 1: off the field even in the playoffs. I think with
Speaker 1: Dak he's versatile enough as and mobile enough where I
Speaker 1: don't and especially given the amount of money they're eventually
Speaker 1: going to pay him long term, that's just not a
Speaker 1: viable scenario for me. Maybe if you're in the red zone,
Speaker 1: he can do some of that belldozer stuff, that Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow lights stuff that he did in college. But I
Speaker 1: do think, and you know, Bucky Brooks had a really
Speaker 1: nice scout he's our new resident scout essentially had a
Speaker 1: really nice scouting report on him. This week or the
Speaker 1: past couple of days. And basically he's a capable tight end.
Speaker 1: Number two, he's a capable blocker. That's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: line one for him, and especially in the run blocking
Speaker 1: game because losing Jason Witten. That's something that he brought
Speaker 1: to the table even late in his career. And obviously
Speaker 1: he had a catch in the Super Bowl. He is
Speaker 1: a capable receiver and a pass catcher. So I think
Speaker 1: they feel like he can be a compliment, a nice
Speaker 1: compliment to Blake Jarwin and what he's able to do
Speaker 1: stretching the field vertically for them. Yeah, we got the
Speaker 1: we got the Blake brothers, Blake and Blake and uh,
Speaker 1: we gotta come up with we gotta coin a really
Speaker 1: good nickname for these guys. Man. But I was I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about Blake Bell, and the reason being is
Speaker 1: that you know that NFL defensive coordinators they spend all
Speaker 1: of their time scheming and studying tendencies, and so anytime
Speaker 1: the Cowboys tipped their hand on something that they're doing
Speaker 1: through personnel packages, they're gonna be able to you know, anytime.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're basically dead in the water if they
Speaker 1: can if there's any prediction to your offense. And that's
Speaker 1: what we had when you saw the year when Jason
Speaker 1: Witten was out, we just didn't have that quintessential blocking
Speaker 1: tight end. And that's where Blake Bell does provide as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a dominating bulldoz or blocker, but
Speaker 1: he does give you enough where he can ship guys.
Speaker 1: He can hold that one on one, win that battle.
Speaker 1: But also as far as in the passing game, he's
Speaker 1: a tight end that can find you know, get skinny
Speaker 1: and find that soft bubble and sit down and you know,
Speaker 1: make catches. Now there has been I guess the only
Speaker 1: knock on him is just catching. He had three drops
Speaker 1: last year, but man, he was playing behind an all
Speaker 1: world tight end last you know, in Kansas City. So look,
Speaker 1: he probably didn't get the opportunities that he'll get here
Speaker 1: in Dallas. But I think that's a that's a quality
Speaker 1: pick up with Blake Bell because of all the things
Speaker 1: that he can do. But I don't think that that
Speaker 1: is you know, again for Schultz, that's going to be
Speaker 1: pushing him. But I don't know if the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: finished looking at tight ends either through draft off free
Speaker 1: agency as well. Heck, but you brought up the point
Speaker 1: that really excites me about Bell was playing behind Kelsey,
Speaker 1: but Jarwin was playing behind Witten. And right now Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin is going to be the starter. But what excites
Speaker 1: me the most about this is to finally see some
Speaker 1: tight end competition. We loved what we saw from Blake
Speaker 1: jar when he was explosive last year. He had great
Speaker 1: yards after the catch, but Jason Winton was still the
Speaker 1: guy because Jason Winn was here for sixteen years, and
Speaker 1: while Winton was great in his own aspects, I am
Speaker 1: excited to see some tight end competition. And I think
Speaker 1: that Blake Bell, he's a big guy. He's like six
Speaker 1: six six five. I mean, I'm excited to see, at
Speaker 1: least in training camp, some competition in the tight ends
Speaker 1: and see what he brings and how he elevates Darwin's game. Well,
Speaker 1: I think absolutely he ends those Yeah. I think Schulzon,
Speaker 1: I think Jarwin. I think all of those guys are
Speaker 1: in play here. Because if you think back to how
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy handled things in Green Bay, he used two
Speaker 1: tight end sets quite a bit. I mean that was
Speaker 1: really one of his staples up in Green Bay was
Speaker 1: using a couple of tight ends, and right now you've
Speaker 1: got two very capable ones. One's more of a receiving
Speaker 1: threat in Blake Jarwin, and the other one's a great
Speaker 1: pass blocker in Blake Bell. Now, Blake Bell still has
Speaker 1: some holes in his game. He's of course going to
Speaker 1: be a backup tight end for a reason. But I
Speaker 1: think this is an underrating, underrated signing for the Cowboys overall.
Speaker 1: I think this is a guy who's going to do
Speaker 1: a lot of things for you. And like Danny said,
Speaker 1: I think that's a magnificent point. Is it brings in
Speaker 1: some competition because right now, or at least before the signing,
Speaker 1: it was clear number one is going to be Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: Number two is going to be Dalton Schultzen. There's a
Speaker 1: clear separation between the two. Now you have Blake Bell
Speaker 1: that's going to kind of challenge up toward Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: and see exactly how things work out with those two
Speaker 1: kind of going at it. But talking about positional battles,
Speaker 1: we've got one more signing to hit before we take
Speaker 1: our first break, and it's a kicker battle. We've got
Speaker 1: Greg's airline from the Los Angeles Rams now coming in
Speaker 1: on a three year, seven and a half million dollars
Speaker 1: and I say it's a kicker battle, but guys, this
Speaker 1: is a lot of money for a guy who is
Speaker 1: going to get signed by the Cowboys and being a
Speaker 1: quote unquote battle with Kai for Bath. For Bath of
Speaker 1: course being signed last year on the heels of the
Speaker 1: release of Brett Maher, but he ended up going ten
Speaker 1: for ten in terms of his field goals last year.
Speaker 1: And then you turn around you have Greg Zerline, who
Speaker 1: was a bit hurt, only played three games last year,
Speaker 1: but it's still at least before then was one of
Speaker 1: the top five kickers in the league. Kicker battle, Oh, Rob,
Speaker 1: what's a guy? I want a kicker battle. I think
Speaker 1: that's great. I think I think this team needs it now.
Speaker 1: You know, if Kyle makes a good point, the reports
Speaker 1: are it's it's two point two five guaranteed a million
Speaker 1: for zero won to come here. And obviously he's got
Speaker 1: a history of a John Fossil, the new special teams coordinator,
Speaker 1: and that's important. I think it's important for your new
Speaker 1: coaching staff to have guys to they're comfortable with. However,
Speaker 1: I would keep for Bath on the roster and go
Speaker 1: to training camp and see how this thing shakes out,
Speaker 1: because what you know, that's how Cowboys fans on Twitter shap,
Speaker 1: you know, scratching their head on this. And I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's great right now to have two
Speaker 1: kickers on the roster. You go to camp and see
Speaker 1: how things play out. Because the biggest complaints are one
Speaker 1: of the biggest complaints we got all of last preseason
Speaker 1: and into the season, especially all the way into December,
Speaker 1: was there's no contingency plan for Bred Maher And it
Speaker 1: took ten misses on field goal attempts in the regular
Speaker 1: season to finally make a change. And for Bath, of course,
Speaker 1: came in and went ten for ten in the final
Speaker 1: two games. They have a potential contingency plan here and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't cost them a lot and guaranteed money if
Speaker 1: they acide. You know, Okay, yeah, zero line's the guy
Speaker 1: and we move on from Kai for Bath. But they
Speaker 1: have options, and that was the thing we kept hearing,
Speaker 1: you know, internally last year, was well, they just wouldn't
Speaker 1: a lot out there in terms of alternatives for Rett Bahr,
Speaker 1: and they just reached a point where you're about to
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs and you've got to do something, and
Speaker 1: now they've got a couple options here, Danny, what's the guy?
Speaker 1: I just don't This doesn't really surprise me because we
Speaker 1: didn't see enough of for Bath to have him to
Speaker 1: have Cowboys fans know that he was going to be
Speaker 1: the kicker this year, so this doesn't really surprise me.
Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. This is something like Rab was saying,
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans were nagging about all year, and so now
Speaker 1: there's options. The Cowboys were thin on options last year
Speaker 1: when they signed for Bat to replaced Brett Maher. So
Speaker 1: I think this is also important because, like Rob was saying,
Speaker 1: this is John Fossil's guy. They were with the Rams together,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's important too. And I know
Speaker 1: special teams is obviously a big area the Cowboys really
Speaker 1: struggled in last year or so, it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that John Fossil is starting to get some guys he's
Speaker 1: already comfortable with. So Kyle's yeah, sorry, I do think
Speaker 1: that zero Line, based on the money, is probably going
Speaker 1: to be the guy, and based on his history with Assile,
Speaker 1: but you know, it is worth pointing out heck that
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was seventy three percent last year,
Speaker 1: kicking had nine misses and that's the that was the
Speaker 1: knock on bred Maher too. So right up there, he's
Speaker 1: right up there. Yeah, he's got he's got a big
Speaker 1: leg and he's made a lot of big kicks. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been a proven guy. So, um, that's so that's
Speaker 1: different than Maha in terms of resume. Heck yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think it should be competition in
Speaker 1: every position. I mean, obviously you can't there's a certain
Speaker 1: ze he's fine, and you know our offensive line in
Speaker 1: the positions that you won't touch, But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of positions on the Dallas Cowboys roster that need
Speaker 1: to have some competition in the kicking game. If I'm
Speaker 1: Mike mccarthur, that's one of the things that I want
Speaker 1: to be able to lay my head on my pillow
Speaker 1: at night, not having to worry about who my kicker
Speaker 1: is on Sundays. And man, it just got to the
Speaker 1: point last year where every time Maha took the field,
Speaker 1: you just didn't know. And if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at the games that we lost, those closed games
Speaker 1: that we lost, it was the difference between some of
Speaker 1: those kicks make the difference between a ten and six
Speaker 1: season or the eight and eight season that we've finished that,
Speaker 1: And so I mean, for for Bath, I'm ticked off.
Speaker 1: You know, they gave this guy all this money and
Speaker 1: here I you know, I came in. I was your
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Speaker 1: To Talk in Cowboys, Rolling into segment number two here
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. Glad you're with us Rob Phillips below me.
Speaker 1: Then you've got a heck Ma Harrison to my left
Speaker 1: and the great Danny Sirect down in the bottom right
Speaker 1: hand corner of your screen on Kyle Yeoman's. As we
Speaker 1: move on, let's talk about some of Dak Prescott's contract negotiations.
Speaker 1: Him and the Cowboys still in conversation about the long
Speaker 1: term deal despite the franchise tag already being placed. News
Speaker 1: came out last night that those talks have continued all
Speaker 1: the way up until now, and some of the offers
Speaker 1: that have been on the table, at least reported by
Speaker 1: Edwarder of ESPN, said that it would be more money
Speaker 1: on average per year apy than any other player in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Now they're trying to figure out year and
Speaker 1: contract structure. Of course, the deadlines July fifteenth for this deal,
Speaker 1: but it kind of sets things up as what could
Speaker 1: potentially be a long term deal well before that deadline.
Speaker 1: Kind of encouraging for those who want to get a
Speaker 1: deal done and want to see Dak Prescott asked the
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cowboys moving forward, Heck, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: start with you. Does this make you more confident in
Speaker 1: the fact that a deal is going to get done
Speaker 1: that there's still negotiation, there's more encouraging momentum heading that way.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it's you know, we didn't want for this
Speaker 1: to last as long. I mean for Cowboy Nation anybody.
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that you know that Dak
Speaker 1: was going to be here for OTAs, and obviously with
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen that changes everything. As far as the offseason,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what it was essentially that Dak was
Speaker 1: asking for. Was it the years, was it the money.
Speaker 1: We understand now that it's not the money, it's the
Speaker 1: years and being able to have a four year contract
Speaker 1: and just having that business mind that Dak has for
Speaker 1: saying that, look, I want less years to be able
Speaker 1: to come back to the table again and you know,
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years old, thirty one years old to
Speaker 1: renegotiate this thing. And you see guys getting a lot
Speaker 1: smarter with this after the CBA and every all that
Speaker 1: leverage that they have, And so I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with Dak exercising his leverage. What I want really
Speaker 1: for me as a fan is for Dak to get
Speaker 1: in get with Mike McCarthy and figure this thing out.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of those people men that I've seen
Speaker 1: guys get a payday and they just fall off the cliff.
Speaker 1: I don't want the rich Dak poor Dak comparison, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that Dak Prescott, I want
Speaker 1: the same Dak and twenty three that came in for
Speaker 1: after Romo was got hurt in Seattle. I want that
Speaker 1: same guy. I want that same intensity. So that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that I have that I worry about what
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is man, is that it is hunger going
Speaker 1: to be there because Ben he is gonna go I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say rags to riches, But in comparison, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more zeros in that bank
Speaker 1: account once he signs his name on the dotted line. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about his motivation. I just feel like
Speaker 1: just being around him the last few years, I mean,
Speaker 1: he can name every guy that was drafted at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position ahead of him in twenty sixteen. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that goes away even with money, And that's
Speaker 1: just kind of his nature, the way he's wired. Heckno
Speaker 1: brought up some great points in terms of the CBA,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry the OTAs and whether those are going
Speaker 1: to happen because of COVID nineteen, and that was obviously
Speaker 1: a question mark in terms of the franchise tag and
Speaker 1: would dak show up. I think I've never really been
Speaker 1: concerned about this getting done, certainly before July fifteenth, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're not sure the timeline too getting it done.
Speaker 1: Obviously the years are and you're seeing this in the
Speaker 1: NBA too, with guys being more aware of Okay, well,
Speaker 1: the salary caps are supposed to spike after this year.
Speaker 1: I'm going to sign a two year deal. That's not
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys have really operated in the past. If
Speaker 1: you think about some of the contracts they've done in
Speaker 1: the past. Tyrann Smith, I think signed an eight year deal,
Speaker 1: an eight year deal at one point. So but from
Speaker 1: a business standpoint, you understand if that's if that is
Speaker 1: the case, then it would allow dak On a shorter
Speaker 1: deal to come back to the table, as Heckma mentioned.
Speaker 1: But I've always felt confident that it would ultimately get
Speaker 1: done because I do think the Cowboys value him long term.
Speaker 1: I really do believe that, even though it hasn't gotten done,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wonder and I don't know this,
Speaker 1: but given the highly uncertain economic climate right now because
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, you know, would it would it make
Speaker 1: Dak think about, Okay, I want to get this finished.
Speaker 1: I want to get this deal done. Maybe that's a factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think we'll see it
Speaker 1: an agreement at some point, Rob, I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you said. Every player has the highest regard for Prescott
Speaker 1: in that locker room. I don't necessarily think his motivation
Speaker 1: is going to change, and I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with him fighting for how many years he wants. This
Speaker 1: isn't something we see as much with quarterbacks as something
Speaker 1: like running backs, And something we've seen really recently, as
Speaker 1: recently as with Todd Gurley and the Rams cutting him,
Speaker 1: is that players are understanding that there is this a business,
Speaker 1: you know, just as much as the team seat as
Speaker 1: a business for them, they need to see it as
Speaker 1: a business for themselves and looking after their own future.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with Dak asking for
Speaker 1: maybe one less year than the Cowboys want to give him.
Speaker 1: And I'm so confident this is going to get done.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has said from the very beginning that Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is their guy. So I think they're gonna do
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get Prescott's signs so that he
Speaker 1: can he can help take this team to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And they still think he's the guy to take him
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Hey, Kyle, I wanted to throw
Speaker 1: this out at you as well. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about the new the new place that we're in with
Speaker 1: this at nineteen and not having well we don't know
Speaker 1: if we're not gonna have ots, but just say we
Speaker 1: did not have or we had OTAs and Dad didn't
Speaker 1: show up for OTAs. Can you imagine the media win
Speaker 1: fall because again, a lot of his leverage goes away
Speaker 1: with that now that you know players are not going
Speaker 1: to be required are volunteer voluntarily told to come into
Speaker 1: the facilities for OTAs, and so he's avoiding a lot
Speaker 1: of that backlash or bad press if OTAs will be
Speaker 1: canceled and he's able to get a deal done in between.
Speaker 1: Now in July fifteen, Yeah, that's a good point because
Speaker 1: you think about all the holdouts that have happened. If
Speaker 1: there's nothing to hold out, then where does that leverage
Speaker 1: July now, Because at that point you're starting to get
Speaker 1: into game checks. If you're trying to hold out into games,
Speaker 1: you're losing money. And for Dad Prescott, of course, on
Speaker 1: the deal that he has, at least with a franchise tag,
Speaker 1: that's a good chunk of change that he would be
Speaker 1: leaving on the table if would be a holdout or
Speaker 1: something of that sort. I don't think that's even going
Speaker 1: to come to that. I don't think there's a holdout
Speaker 1: in store at all. I think a deal will get done.
Speaker 1: And kind of going back to something that that Danny
Speaker 1: said just or kind of alluded to just a moment ago,
Speaker 1: but the fact that Dak Prescott knows his value and
Speaker 1: these players know their value, it kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of there was a Sports Illustrated article that was saying
Speaker 1: the value of being the Dallas or the quarterback for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and I think Dak understands that better
Speaker 1: than anybody else, especially in a climate and an economic
Speaker 1: side of things then we've seen in the past. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look, you turn on the TV and he's on
Speaker 1: Pepsi commercial sleep number, he's on Albertsons. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: all of these different sponsors, in these different endorsement deals,
Speaker 1: have already been under his tutelage at least since he's
Speaker 1: become the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. Now it's a
Speaker 1: chance for him to kind of push forward and say,
Speaker 1: I've done my job. I've kept up my end of
Speaker 1: the bargain ever since I was drafted back twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Let's pay up. Then let's go try and win a
Speaker 1: championship with me at the helm. And I think that's
Speaker 1: something that's going to get done coming up over the
Speaker 1: next couple of years. Now. We talked about the money
Speaker 1: and where the money is gonna lie, and it's been
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation all offseason long. When these next
Speaker 1: quarterback deals get done, like a Deshaun Watson and a
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, you're gonna see contracts start getting up into
Speaker 1: the forty millions. What would this money potentially look like?
Speaker 1: And Rob, I'm kind of turned into you as one
Speaker 1: of the insiders on this group, But is this something
Speaker 1: I know we've heard thirty three, thirty four, thirty five,
Speaker 1: but with a shorter deal, is it gonna be even
Speaker 1: kind of knocking on the door of forty yet or
Speaker 1: is that a little bit too far ahead? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I'm not sure financially how the structure will
Speaker 1: ultimately look, but if you do have a longer term deal,
Speaker 1: you're able to spread out some of that money, and
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what the Cowboys are thinking in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, if you're getting it upwards of
Speaker 1: thirty five million, what tho what those capets are going
Speaker 1: to look like in year three, year four, year five.
Speaker 1: So that's part of it. But you know, the other
Speaker 1: side of it too, and I think we've discussed this
Speaker 1: on previous show, is the new money that has to
Speaker 1: come from the deal because these deals that we've seen
Speaker 1: from wins and Golf with the Rams and Eagles, those
Speaker 1: guys had larger salaries because they were first round draft picks,
Speaker 1: and so Dak being such a steal the last few
Speaker 1: years in terms of fourth round status makes this a
Speaker 1: little bit more complicated. But again I think Heckma, Danny,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think ultimately that's something they can work through,
Speaker 1: and I think the reports are probably right that it
Speaker 1: does come down to how long does Dak want to
Speaker 1: be tied to this deal before he can try to
Speaker 1: cash it again? Because you're right, Kyle, the market's going
Speaker 1: to get reset certainly when Pat Mahomes signs his extension
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. Yeah, of course, man Mahome's agent, they're
Speaker 1: they're just waiting. They're waiting on Dak's deal to get done,
Speaker 1: because Dak may be the highest paid quarterback in the
Speaker 1: NFL for all of two weeks after he signs his deal,
Speaker 1: because you know that there's another contract looming. Not only
Speaker 1: with that, the market is going to get reset with
Speaker 1: Watson also, and you got to think about Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: if he's able to continue on the course that he's
Speaker 1: he's on in Baltimore. All of these things are going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, markets setting contracts while all of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and I mean we're talking about forty million dollars. Man.
Speaker 1: We may look up here a year or two from
Speaker 1: now and a guy may be at the fifty fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar mark. Nothing is out of bounds anymore as
Speaker 1: far as quarterback salaries. I think both both sides, Prescott
Speaker 1: his agent, and you know the Cowboys front office are
Speaker 1: aware of that. I would I find a heartily that's
Speaker 1: on something they're thinking about in terms of how quickly
Speaker 1: they do want to get this deal done, because they
Speaker 1: know pretty much every year for the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: It seems this quarterback if the market's just going to
Speaker 1: keep going out, you know it's gonna be reset with
Speaker 1: every new quarterback signing. So you might as well get
Speaker 1: this deal done now so that you're not happy to
Speaker 1: continue to up the price of how much she's going
Speaker 1: to be asking for. It is amazing and made though.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Rob, go ahead, Well I was going to
Speaker 1: move on. It's amazing his salaries. I mean, four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand I think early on in two million last year.
Speaker 1: He's getting those endorsements from those those places like you're
Speaker 1: talking about Kyle, But there's nothing like one hundred plus
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed on a new contract, right whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: it's going to be. If he's when he signs, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like hitting the lottery. Whenever he finally gets
Speaker 1: that first paycheck. I remember when Deshaun Watson opened up
Speaker 1: his first one. He said he like setting alarm for
Speaker 1: three am, and then he woke up and was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that's when that paycheck hit. And that was
Speaker 1: still a rookie deal. So it's going to be even
Speaker 1: bigger for Dak Prescott whenever that day actually does come around.
Speaker 1: But still kind of talking through the quarterback situation and
Speaker 1: the contract situations around Dak Prescott. It's never a quiet
Speaker 1: offseason whenever you're around the Dallas Cowboys, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in some scenarios for you guys coming
Speaker 1: up next. We're gonna take a quick break right here.
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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys this offseason our edge rushers. I've got
Speaker 1: a couple guys that potentially could be on the market
Speaker 1: that I think the Cowboys should at least make some
Speaker 1: phone calls about. And we're gonna tell you about that
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Speaker 1: a cloudy it's starting to look like more of a
Speaker 1: beautiful Tuesday afternoon. Hope everybody is staying safe out there
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Speaker 1: MA Harrison, Rob Phillips, Danny Siak. I'm Kyle Yeomans, And
Speaker 1: as we go into this final segment, first I want
Speaker 1: to kind of allude to exactly how cap spaces there
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys right now and kind of what
Speaker 1: they could do to fill some of those spots. And
Speaker 1: then I'm going to get into some edge rush spots
Speaker 1: there as well right now, including what it's going to
Speaker 1: take to sign this Dallas Cowboys draft class. There's about
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half million dollars left in cap space,
Speaker 1: which means that there could be some more additions on
Speaker 1: the way, whether that's to sign a Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: a long term deal or to kind of maybe clear
Speaker 1: up even some more space and get a bigger name
Speaker 1: in here. I don't think the Cowboys are done making deals,
Speaker 1: whether that be through the draft, whether that be through trades.
Speaker 1: We saw last year Robert Quinn was a late trade
Speaker 1: in the off season between Miami and the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn ended up being your best pass rusher. Now
Speaker 1: he's gone. There's a couple guys at edge that I
Speaker 1: think could see a Robert Quinn type of deal, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to rely on you guys to tell me
Speaker 1: if this is stupid or not, so I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: for it. And first guy that I really like overall
Speaker 1: actually had some news come around today, and I like
Speaker 1: this idea just because he's an incredible football player. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it would necessarily work, especially with the
Speaker 1: money situation with the Cowboys, but let's go to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Yannick and Guackway, one of the top pass rushers, exactly
Speaker 1: an edge rushers overall in the league, still just twenty
Speaker 1: four years old. He's a guy you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: turn around and pay pretty quickly. I believe he's on
Speaker 1: the franchise tag right now in Jacksonville. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it would take to get this guy, but it
Speaker 1: would be maybe less of a Robert Quinn type of
Speaker 1: deal and more of a blockbuster type of deal. But
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, like I said, how much it
Speaker 1: would take to get him. But I think this is
Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Cowboys to at least get him
Speaker 1: on the phone and have some conversations with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: about or excuse me, with the Jaguars about trying to
Speaker 1: acquire a guy of his caliber. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: see We'll start with you. Heckma, what do you look
Speaker 1: at whenever you're trying to find a guy like Yannick
Speaker 1: and Walkway out of jack Villa and maybe try and
Speaker 1: make a deal there. Yeah, and Doc Way gives me
Speaker 1: the willies. I mean, he's I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: understand the franchise tag, but again, man, he is the
Speaker 1: beneficiary of a really good defensive front with Klais Campbell,
Speaker 1: and you know, anytime you're having that like we talked
Speaker 1: about in the first segment, and anytime you got guys
Speaker 1: that collapse that pocket and make it really simple for
Speaker 1: a guy like in Doc Way to get those numbers
Speaker 1: up and get pressures m You know again, you talked
Speaker 1: about the deal that he's that he's expecting, and he's
Speaker 1: going to be upward in the twenty million dollar range
Speaker 1: as well. We already got that guy in the tank, Lauren,
Speaker 1: So you know, look, we want a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: come in and fill in and be that piece on
Speaker 1: the other side of the tank that is serviceable and
Speaker 1: and we don't have to break the bank to try
Speaker 1: to get You know again, I understand the athletic ability
Speaker 1: and the upside for in Doc Way as far as
Speaker 1: his age, but I'd pass on him. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: Hackmed worried me to bring in a player where you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to pay him a lot that
Speaker 1: next year. I you know, you're right. We just played
Speaker 1: paid to Marcus Lawrence a ton of money. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: had to let Robert Quinn go, and so I think
Speaker 1: they're not looking for someone where you're going to have
Speaker 1: to break the bank on them after one season. It
Speaker 1: was a different position, but I think that was when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, you know, there were talks about maybe making
Speaker 1: a trade for Jamal Adams, but you know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: need a new deal soon. I just those kind of
Speaker 1: things kind of worry me about what kind of player
Speaker 1: are you going to get for one year and having
Speaker 1: them integrating and then all of a sudden, you're you know,
Speaker 1: they want all this money. Yeah. I tend to agree,
Speaker 1: just in terms of the resources you have to give up,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys didn't want to. They don't like giving
Speaker 1: up high draft picks. You know, Mary Cooper was an
Speaker 1: exception because they were desperate basically mid season in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen to turn it around and try to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's not something they want to do a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it would cost in this situation, but
Speaker 1: certainly more than a six round pick that she gave
Speaker 1: up for Robert Quinn last year. And then the money
Speaker 1: comes in as well. And there's a reason the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have been pretty as usual, been pretty selective in what
Speaker 1: they're doing in free agency because to your point, Kyle,
Speaker 1: they've you know, they've got to pay Dak eventually long time,
Speaker 1: even though that I guess that's slotted at a pretty
Speaker 1: high level right now with the franchise tag being around
Speaker 1: twenty six something million. But you've also got to save
Speaker 1: a little money on your cap for your draft picks,
Speaker 1: and and so they you know, they've got seven picks
Speaker 1: this year, and I think, you know, the preference would
Speaker 1: be to try to hit something big there and then
Speaker 1: you know, have a player under relatively low cost control
Speaker 1: for a while, as opposed to haven't turn around and
Speaker 1: pay another big money deal soon. Yeah, I think Kyle's
Speaker 1: computer frowze up. But if I know Kyle like I
Speaker 1: think I do, I'm gonna do a little bit of
Speaker 1: a noster damas here for Kyle. He would probably be
Speaker 1: someone that would be interested in Cincinnati defensive being Carlos
Speaker 1: Dunlap that's been in the league fourteen years, coming off
Speaker 1: of a believe he's two years into his contract, and
Speaker 1: so that's a guy that the Cowboys could definitely sign
Speaker 1: as well. Carlos Dunlap has been a pro, a good
Speaker 1: ten year pro guy out of Florida. Rob you may
Speaker 1: know a little bit about Carlos Dunlap played in the
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis system six six two d seventy pounds or so,
Speaker 1: a guy that would fit in nicely, and we definitely
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to break the bank for a Carlos Dunlap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that probably seems a little more palatable. I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point they've got to do They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do something to help address that edge rusher spot.
Speaker 1: I alluded to it earlier with Gerald McCoy can play
Speaker 1: a little bit on the edge. Tyrold Crawford certainly can
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. Well, Randy Gregory, I guess, is still
Speaker 1: out there. They still have his rights. If they can
Speaker 1: figure out something with him and get him back off
Speaker 1: of suspension, that all remains to be seen. That's that's
Speaker 1: a lot to ask. I don't think you can count
Speaker 1: on that. But you know, I think this discussion is
Speaker 1: well founded because when you look at what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have done in the last three weeks or so, based
Speaker 1: on what's left, I think, you know, quarter and edge
Speaker 1: rusher to find find somebody to replace Robert Quinn. Have
Speaker 1: we got Kyle back? Do we know? I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's frozen. He's just sitting there. It's like Mexican Joe.
Speaker 1: It's just pretty weird. Danny, what's you got? Oh man,
Speaker 1: this is great. Poor Kyle. I know he had some
Speaker 1: really good questions too. I would hope that the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think there's some good enough options for draft picks
Speaker 1: looking at that edge rusher, but it's it's a tough call.
Speaker 1: I think that will probably be one of their top
Speaker 1: picks they use because we've seen in the past Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't typically use those early picks for defensive backs, although
Speaker 1: that's a major area that Cowboys have a need for.
Speaker 1: But honestly, the thing the thoughts I had, you know,
Speaker 1: if you would have asked me a week out, ilud
Speaker 1: have said, you know, you know, you know, defensive ends
Speaker 1: probably their first pick, I would think. But then I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you have Joe Looney. But but Travis Frederick ret hired.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are they going to do for a center?
Speaker 1: Like we you know, I mean, like we have a
Speaker 1: Hawk Clinton Dix now, but what are we going to
Speaker 1: do for a defensive back? So I still think defensive
Speaker 1: end is one of their top picks they're going to
Speaker 1: have to address in the draft. But I mean Honestly, guys,
Speaker 1: I think anything is a go at this point. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, I'm back. I've I've made it back.
Speaker 1: The computer froze up on me in the middle of
Speaker 1: that last question, so I couldn't hear anything of what
Speaker 1: you guys have been talking about. But I just heard
Speaker 1: what you said at the end, Danny, and kind of
Speaker 1: heard about exactly you were talking about how there are
Speaker 1: some draft picks there are there is a need at
Speaker 1: edge rusher for the Dallas Cowboys. And if you look
Speaker 1: right right on that right defensive end spot, you talk
Speaker 1: about Tyrone Crawford being there, if Randy Gregory he's even
Speaker 1: going to be available, and then Jalen Jelks there maybe
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, there's there's a couple options, but
Speaker 1: you would think maybe a guy like a Carlos Dunlap
Speaker 1: could be a particular Why are you guys laughing? Is this?
Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about this? I'm gonna go wow,
Speaker 1: did heck mccallege. Look at being a boss, he goes
Speaker 1: be better than anybody. But yeah, I think Carlos Dunlap
Speaker 1: is a guy that you could potentially get for a
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round pick. This is a guy who
Speaker 1: was one of the top top twenty rated pass rushers
Speaker 1: in the league last year, and he was right behind
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn and DeMarcus Lawrence on Pro Football Focus. Lawrence
Speaker 1: was seventeenth, Quinn was eighteenth, and then Carlos Dunlap was nineteenth.
Speaker 1: He was higher than Jannick and Walkway. He was higher
Speaker 1: than Jadavian Clowney. He has even as a veteran, he
Speaker 1: has a lot of presents on that edge. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that if they wanted to have a draft target,
Speaker 1: I'm all over the Carlos Dunlap trade train. At least
Speaker 1: let's give up a fourth or a fifth round pick
Speaker 1: and try and go get the guy. But I also
Speaker 1: think it's awesome to look at some of these edge rushers.
Speaker 1: And the Draft show last Thursday brought up at edge
Speaker 1: rusher and Klavan Chase, and that was the pick that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys actually had at pick seventeen. He's at edge
Speaker 1: rusher out of LSU, just a freakish athlete. And there
Speaker 1: are a couple options there, whether it's a Chase on
Speaker 1: or maybe a guy out of Penn State like Yedder
Speaker 1: Gross matos aj Epiness is another name out of Iowa.
Speaker 1: There are edge rushers there to Danny's point in the
Speaker 1: draft that can make you excited at pick seventeen about
Speaker 1: filling that spot. And then all of a sudden you've
Speaker 1: got DeMarcus Lawrence, Gerald McCoy, don Terry Poe and then
Speaker 1: insert draft pick name here, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: your defensive line is cooking. Yeah, Chase and I like
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, But again, all of that's
Speaker 1: gonna be contingent on where c J. Henderson falls. I mean,
Speaker 1: if CJ. Henderson is CJ from from Florida, is that
Speaker 1: we got to take that guy and there are a
Speaker 1: lot of other picks and guys that may be raided
Speaker 1: ahead with the first pick. I am really and this
Speaker 1: is something the philosophy that I just have not like,
Speaker 1: you know, being a part of and that's best player
Speaker 1: available because we have so many deficiencies on defense. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind being a part the best player available
Speaker 1: because I because I feel like, man, when you have
Speaker 1: a need, when you have a need on defense, like
Speaker 1: when everyone start having the CJ. Lamb conversation, if cjla
Speaker 1: if CD excuse me, CD Lamb, Yeah, if Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: is there, we take CD Lamb And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: how do we take CD Lamb when our cornerback. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start the season with Brown and Woozier and
Speaker 1: Louise Lewis we need a cornerback right now. But I understand,
Speaker 1: I completely get it. Best player available, and if Chason
Speaker 1: is a guy that's there for us and he is
Speaker 1: the best player available, I wouldn't have a problem with
Speaker 1: getting them. I'm with that on this. You've always got
Speaker 1: to have need on some level in the draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't take a quarterback in the first round just
Speaker 1: because you might be the best guy on your board.
Speaker 1: But I think it would work out fine. Either edge
Speaker 1: rusher or corner. It's got to be it's gotta be
Speaker 1: one of those two in my opinion, based on what's
Speaker 1: out there. To answer Danny's question, because we touched on
Speaker 1: it last week. With Travis Frederick retiring, I still think
Speaker 1: they've got enough internally where they feel good about, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to replace him, whether it's Joe Looney just stepping
Speaker 1: back in, or Connor McGovern as an option, even Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: who they think can play off five positions. They've got
Speaker 1: enough flexibility, I think on the line where they don't
Speaker 1: have to spend a high draft pick there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think a high draft pick will be the offensive line.
Speaker 1: It was just something where I was like, it feels
Speaker 1: like it's changing every week. I think maybe they'll use
Speaker 1: that first pick maybe for an edge rusher because as
Speaker 1: the run defense was just so poor last year, and
Speaker 1: I think if you can really secure this defensive line,
Speaker 1: that will in terms trickle down and help the rest
Speaker 1: of the defense. Yes, and so that I just I
Speaker 1: think that's where they're going to end up making that
Speaker 1: first pick at seventeen. And I think kind of going
Speaker 1: off of that, you look at some of the veteran
Speaker 1: additions in that secondary. I mean, you resign guys like
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, You've got a couple guys in Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and Shadobe a Woozier that could be solid corners. And
Speaker 1: then at the safety position you've got woods in Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix now back there. What's a better way to
Speaker 1: make them better is make your defensive line rutter. And
Speaker 1: they're beefing up the defensive line. That's exactly what they've
Speaker 1: been doing all offseason long. And if they find an
Speaker 1: edge rusher, which I still think is one of the
Speaker 1: better needs of this Cowboys defense. To your point, Danny,
Speaker 1: if you go out and get a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to find a way to stop the run defensively, it
Speaker 1: also makes your linebackers better, which in turn makes your
Speaker 1: defense just as a whole better. I think that's an
Speaker 1: underrated look at how they could really improve. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of emphasis and trust me, draft Twitter has
Speaker 1: been all over this. There's a lot of emphasis on
Speaker 1: the corners and the safeties. But one way to make
Speaker 1: everyone on your team better with one pick is finding
Speaker 1: a good edge rusher. And I think, yeah, looking for
Speaker 1: Kyle You're right, But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: in the back half of our defense, we're even With
Speaker 1: the signing of of Clinton Dix. I like him, I think,
Speaker 1: and and a lot has been made about him being
Speaker 1: a bridge player, not a guy is gonna be a mainstay,
Speaker 1: but a guy that's gonna get us through the season
Speaker 1: till we get to the guy that we really want.
Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about Antoine Winfield Jr. Being a
Speaker 1: guy that could come in and impact this defense immediately,
Speaker 1: you know, being even if he's a strong safety. I
Speaker 1: know last year, Cowboy Nation, we wanted Thomas. We know
Speaker 1: we were crying for Jamal Adams players like that because
Speaker 1: we understand that we need a ball hawk. And with
Speaker 1: the secondary coach and Al Harris, that's exactly what he's
Speaker 1: been preaching, saying that I want guys that touch the
Speaker 1: ball every play, one way or another. And I'm just
Speaker 1: not sold on what we're gonna do with Brown and
Speaker 1: Woozy A. Lewis and even Kennedy, And I believe the
Speaker 1: Kennedy signing was just special teams. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: he won't be a viable option for us, but again,
Speaker 1: we need those guys that, look, we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about him. He can be that lockdown corner. I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe honestly that Jones he was a beneficiary of
Speaker 1: the fact that everyone knew that the guy on the
Speaker 1: other side of him was a little bit more susceptible
Speaker 1: and weaker, and so they attacked him. And with all
Speaker 1: that being said, I mean, byer Jones cash out based
Speaker 1: off of that, but yeah he did. I mean, but
Speaker 1: we gotta we have to, we have to, and I
Speaker 1: mean we talked of there's so much being made about
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and the fact that you know he had
Speaker 1: where he was at at at and T Stadium. He
Speaker 1: loved that home cook and he played his butt off.
Speaker 1: But then when you went on the road, he was
Speaker 1: it was horrible. Is a different and not horrible, but
Speaker 1: it's had different numbers. That was the same for our
Speaker 1: defense man. They did not pack the defense with them
Speaker 1: when they landed as stadiums on the road, and it
Speaker 1: consequently you go game by game by game where the
Speaker 1: defense was just completely letting us down and giving up
Speaker 1: those drives, and you know, at the end of the
Speaker 1: second half, beginning of the third quarter, things like that
Speaker 1: were just demoralizing and just killed the momentum where Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott was having to play a lot from behind and
Speaker 1: just make miraculous throws and make plays to get us
Speaker 1: back on the board. So we have got to finish
Speaker 1: this off because our defense last year, no matter what
Speaker 1: the numbers say, our defense played poorly. Here's the other
Speaker 1: thing too, about the cornerback position. I know this can't
Speaker 1: be the only factor when you're drafting, but you gotta
Speaker 1: look long term to a certain degree, and I believe
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's getting a new three year deal, but Cheeto,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, and I believe Kennedy one year deals essentially
Speaker 1: last year their deal. So you gotta look at what
Speaker 1: your cornerback position is gonna look like pass this season
Speaker 1: and need is I think they need another talented guy
Speaker 1: there anyway, But you got to start looking at what
Speaker 1: your roster is going to look back look like back
Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty one too. I will say, here's
Speaker 1: the most exciting part is that for the first time
Speaker 1: in a decade, we have the new coaching staff, which
Speaker 1: means that everything that has been a trend for the
Speaker 1: last couple of draft years could be out the window.
Speaker 1: So the back of the Cowboys haven't really prioritized defensive
Speaker 1: back to the last couple of years. Early on in
Speaker 1: the draft that could be their first pick. That's a
Speaker 1: great point, and you could talk about even coaching in general.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the way that we're going to
Speaker 1: attack the fifty three man roster. It's going to be
Speaker 1: completely different. It's breaking all of those norms that you're
Speaker 1: used to seeing for the Cowboys, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people forget about that because they've been so
Speaker 1: concentrated on certain ways that the Cowboys operate, whether it
Speaker 1: be with the new or the old coaching staff now
Speaker 1: moving in the new one, things are going to change,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Moving forward here for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, but I think that's gonna do it
Speaker 1: here for Talking Cowboys. As we're running up on our time,
Speaker 1: a lot is that is today? I think that's it,
Speaker 1: which is crazy went buying a blink of an eye.
Speaker 1: But hopefully over the past hour we were able to
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