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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he is Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Star in Priscilla Live. Lescott Pato, Welcome into Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: here on this March thirty first. It's a cloudy Tuesday

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Speaker 1: morning and we are all remote instead of being inside

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Speaker 1: Danny Serett joins Talking Cowboys. How are we doing, guys?

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Speaker 1: What an intro? That's cow for you? Man? I'm doing

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Speaker 1: good about I'm doing good. Rob. How's it hanging down

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Speaker 1: there in quarantine? I know you've got a new baby

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Speaker 1: glad everybody is properly social distanced and doing well, and

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Speaker 1: I hope that this next hour can be a nice

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Speaker 1: distraction for Cowboy fans for sure. Absolutely, and there's plenty

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Speaker 1: to talk about as well, because there's some new additions

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Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, definitely some moves that could be

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Speaker 1: made over the next couple of weeks as we're closing

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Speaker 1: in Thursday marks three weeks from the NFL AFT and

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Speaker 1: then following that, who knows how this roster is going

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Speaker 1: to shape out before we head into training camp. But

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Speaker 1: it is a new group here here for Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: We're excited about it, and I want to wish the

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Speaker 1: best to Mickey's Pagnola, as we love having Mickey around

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Speaker 1: to keep us all in check, for sure, but we're

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Speaker 1: excited about his new show, mix Shots coming up in

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. I believe, I think they're

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Speaker 1: I know he and Bill Jones are going to do

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Speaker 1: a magnificent job on mix Shots. But with that being said,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and dive into this free agency update.

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Speaker 1: A trio of players that have been signed by the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys as free agents that have made some noise at

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Speaker 1: least since we last convened here on Talking Cowboys. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna start with the defensive tackle position. Don Terry pos

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Speaker 1: signed by the Cowboys two years, two and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars, and this is an individual who had four

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Speaker 1: sacks last year. He's pretty solid in the past rush

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Speaker 1: and thirty second rated interior defensive lineman on Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus and just for reference for Pro Football Focus and

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Speaker 1: where that kind of lies is thirty second. That means

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Speaker 1: he's one of the top at least starting guys. He's

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Speaker 1: listed as a starter on Pro Football Focus. But also

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Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins was a sixty five and that's probably who

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Speaker 1: he would be replacing, So that's just kind of a

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Speaker 1: reference there. But Rob will start with you, what do

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Speaker 1: you think about this post signing and what does it

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Speaker 1: do to beef up that defensive line. Well, first off,

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Speaker 1: the football reference I use it. I know the head

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Speaker 1: year off, so there is validity to it. I like

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Speaker 1: the move because I do think at some point they

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Speaker 1: needed to address the size up front. And it requires

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Speaker 1: a philosophy change for this team. You know, Rod Marinelli

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Speaker 1: wanted those quicker, more athletic defensive linemen to get up

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Speaker 1: And obviously that's still a part of it no matter

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Speaker 1: what size you are at the NFL level, But I

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Speaker 1: think some of the problems they've had in the run

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Speaker 1: defense has been attributed to their size upfront. And you know,

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Speaker 1: with the productivity of Don Terry Poe and including the

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Speaker 1: making that pocket not so clean for four quarterbacks. And look, guys,

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Speaker 1: That's really that excitement. He has that ability to dip swim.

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Speaker 1: Vanderesh and his health comes back into plain later on.

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Speaker 1: But this kind of brings up the question of now,

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Speaker 1: know they played a little bit of both last year

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Speaker 1: I think McCoy's verstal enough too in a four man

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Speaker 1: One thing though, I want to you know what, before

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Speaker 1: Marinelli's scheme on paper and it didn't work out last year.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting what Mike McCarthy said when he got

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Speaker 1: think that's what they're doing in the Cowboys front office

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Speaker 1: was a great point also Danny again, Tristan Hill is

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Speaker 1: right up there. Yeah, he's got he's got a big

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think it should be competition in

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Speaker 1: is on Sundays. And man, it just got to the

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, for for Bath, I'm ticked off.

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Speaker 1: You know, they gave this guy all this money and

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Speaker 1: know I want. I wanted to. We're gonna kick for this.

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Speaker 1: I'm look, I'm looking forward to it. I think it

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Speaker 1: So I don't mind it at all. And I think

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Speaker 1: We do have some new news at least over the

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Speaker 1: To Talk in Cowboys, Rolling into segment number two here

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Speaker 1: move on, let's talk about some of Dak Prescott's contract negotiations.

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Speaker 1: Him and the Cowboys still in conversation about the long

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Speaker 1: term deal despite the franchise tag already being placed. News

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Speaker 1: came out last night that those talks have continued all

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Speaker 1: the way up until now, and some of the offers

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Speaker 1: that have been on the table, at least reported by

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Speaker 1: Edwarder of ESPN, said that it would be more money

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Now they're trying to figure out year and

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Speaker 1: contract structure. Of course, the deadlines July fifteenth for this deal,

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Speaker 1: but it kind of sets things up as what could

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Speaker 1: Kind of encouraging for those who want to get a

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Speaker 1: deal done and want to see Dak Prescott asked the

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Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cowboys moving forward, Heck, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: start with you. Does this make you more confident in

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Speaker 1: the fact that a deal is going to get done

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Speaker 1: that there's still negotiation, there's more encouraging momentum heading that way.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it's you know, we didn't want for this

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Speaker 1: to last as long. I mean for Cowboy Nation anybody.

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Speaker 1: We want to make sure that you know that Dak

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Speaker 1: was going to be here for OTAs, and obviously with

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen that changes everything. As far as the offseason,

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Speaker 1: we didn't know what it was essentially that Dak was

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Speaker 1: asking for. Was it the years, was it the money.

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Speaker 1: We understand now that it's not the money, it's the

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Speaker 1: years and being able to have a four year contract

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Speaker 1: and just having that business mind that Dak has for

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Speaker 1: saying that, look, I want less years to be able

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Speaker 1: to come back to the table again and you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years old, thirty one years old to

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Speaker 1: renegotiate this thing. And you see guys getting a lot

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Speaker 1: smarter with this after the CBA and every all that

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Speaker 1: leverage that they have, And so I don't have a

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Speaker 1: problem with Dak exercising his leverage. What I want really

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Speaker 1: for me as a fan is for Dak to get

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Speaker 1: in get with Mike McCarthy and figure this thing out.

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Speaker 1: And I'm one of those people men that I've seen

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Speaker 1: guys get a payday and they just fall off the cliff.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the rich Dak poor Dak comparison, you know.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that Dak Prescott, I want

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Speaker 1: the same Dak and twenty three that came in for

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Speaker 1: after Romo was got hurt in Seattle. I want that

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Speaker 1: same guy. I want that same intensity. So that's the

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Speaker 1: only thing that I have that I worry about what

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is man, is that it is hunger going

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Speaker 1: to be there because Ben he is gonna go I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say rags to riches, But in comparison, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more zeros in that bank

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Speaker 1: account once he signs his name on the dotted line. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't worry about his motivation. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: just being around him the last few years, I mean,

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Speaker 1: know if that goes away even with money, And that's

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Speaker 1: just kind of his nature, the way he's wired. Heckno

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Speaker 1: brought up some great points in terms of the CBA,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry the OTAs and whether those are going

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Speaker 1: to happen because of COVID nineteen, and that was obviously

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Speaker 1: a question mark in terms of the franchise tag and

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Speaker 1: would dak show up. I think I've never really been

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Speaker 1: concerned about this getting done, certainly before July fifteenth, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we're not sure the timeline too getting it done.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the years are and you're seeing this in the

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Speaker 1: NBA too, with guys being more aware of Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: the salary caps are supposed to spike after this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sign a two year deal. That's not

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Speaker 1: how the Cowboys have really operated in the past. If

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Speaker 1: you think about some of the contracts they've done in

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Speaker 1: an eight year deal at one point. So but from

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Speaker 1: a business standpoint, you understand if that's if that is

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Speaker 1: deal to come back to the table, as Heckma mentioned.

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Speaker 1: But I've always felt confident that it would ultimately get

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Speaker 1: done because I do think the Cowboys value him long term.

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Speaker 1: I really do believe that, even though it hasn't gotten done,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I wonder and I don't know this,

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Speaker 1: but given the highly uncertain economic climate right now because

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Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, you know, would it would it make

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Speaker 1: Dak think about, Okay, I want to get this finished.

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Speaker 1: I want to get this deal done. Maybe that's a factor.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think we'll see it

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Speaker 1: an agreement at some point, Rob, I agree with everything

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Speaker 1: you said. Every player has the highest regard for Prescott

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Speaker 1: in that locker room. I don't necessarily think his motivation

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Speaker 1: with him fighting for how many years he wants. This

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Speaker 1: isn't something we see as much with quarterbacks as something

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Speaker 1: like running backs, And something we've seen really recently, as

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Speaker 1: recently as with Todd Gurley and the Rams cutting him,

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Speaker 1: is that players are understanding that there is this a business,

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Speaker 1: you know, just as much as the team seat as

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Speaker 1: a business for them, they need to see it as

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Speaker 1: a business for themselves and looking after their own future.

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Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with Dak asking for

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Speaker 1: maybe one less year than the Cowboys want to give him.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so confident this is going to get done.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has said from the very beginning that Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott is their guy. So I think they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get Prescott's signs so that he

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Speaker 1: And they still think he's the guy to take him

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Hey, Kyle, I wanted to throw

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Speaker 1: this out at you as well. I mean, you think

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Speaker 1: about the new the new place that we're in with

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Speaker 1: this at nineteen and not having well we don't know

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Speaker 1: if we're not gonna have ots, but just say we

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Speaker 1: show up for OTAs. Can you imagine the media win

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Speaker 1: fall because again, a lot of his leverage goes away

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Speaker 1: with that now that you know players are not going

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Speaker 1: to be required are volunteer voluntarily told to come into

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Speaker 1: of that backlash or bad press if OTAs will be

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Speaker 1: canceled and he's able to get a deal done in between.

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Speaker 1: Now in July fifteen, Yeah, that's a good point because

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Speaker 1: you think about all the holdouts that have happened. If

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to hold out, then where does that leverage

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Speaker 1: July now, Because at that point you're starting to get

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Speaker 1: into game checks. If you're trying to hold out into games,

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Speaker 1: you're losing money. And for Dad Prescott, of course, on

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Speaker 1: the deal that he has, at least with a franchise tag,

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Speaker 1: that's a good chunk of change that he would be

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Speaker 1: leaving on the table if would be a holdout or

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Speaker 1: something of that sort. I don't think that's even going

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Speaker 1: to come to that. I don't think there's a holdout

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Speaker 1: in store at all. I think a deal will get done.

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Speaker 1: And kind of going back to something that that Danny

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Speaker 1: but the fact that Dak Prescott knows his value and

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Speaker 1: these players know their value, it kind of reminds me

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Speaker 1: of there was a Sports Illustrated article that was saying

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Speaker 1: the value of being the Dallas or the quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and I think Dak understands that better

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Speaker 1: than anybody else, especially in a climate and an economic

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Speaker 1: side of things then we've seen in the past. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you look, you turn on the TV and he's on

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Speaker 1: Pepsi commercial sleep number, he's on Albertsons. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: all of these different sponsors, in these different endorsement deals,

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00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: have already been under his tutelage at least since he's

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Speaker 1: become the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. Now it's a

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Speaker 1: chance for him to kind of push forward and say,

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Speaker 1: I've done my job. I've kept up my end of

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Speaker 1: the bargain ever since I was drafted back twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Let's pay up. Then let's go try and win a

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Speaker 1: championship with me at the helm. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: something that's going to get done coming up over the

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Speaker 1: next couple of years. Now. We talked about the money

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Speaker 1: and where the money is gonna lie, and it's been

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Speaker 1: a topic of conversation all offseason long. When these next

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Speaker 1: quarterback deals get done, like a Deshaun Watson and a

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, you're gonna see contracts start getting up into

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Speaker 1: the forty millions. What would this money potentially look like?

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Speaker 1: And Rob, I'm kind of turned into you as one

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Speaker 1: of the insiders on this group, But is this something

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Speaker 1: I know we've heard thirty three, thirty four, thirty five,

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Speaker 1: but with a shorter deal, is it gonna be even

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Speaker 1: kind of knocking on the door of forty yet or

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Speaker 1: is that a little bit too far ahead? That's a

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Speaker 1: good question. I'm not sure financially how the structure will

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Speaker 1: ultimately look, but if you do have a longer term deal,

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Speaker 1: you're able to spread out some of that money, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably what the Cowboys are thinking in

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Speaker 1: terms of, you know, if you're getting it upwards of

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Speaker 1: thirty five million, what tho what those capets are going

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Speaker 1: to look like in year three, year four, year five.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of it. But you know, the other

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Speaker 1: side of it too, and I think we've discussed this

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Speaker 1: on previous show, is the new money that has to

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Speaker 1: come from the deal because these deals that we've seen

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Speaker 1: from wins and Golf with the Rams and Eagles, those

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Speaker 1: guys had larger salaries because they were first round draft picks,

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Speaker 1: and so Dak being such a steal the last few

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Speaker 1: years in terms of fourth round status makes this a

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Speaker 1: little bit more complicated. But again I think Heckma, Danny,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think ultimately that's something they can work through,

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Speaker 1: and I think the reports are probably right that it

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Speaker 1: does come down to how long does Dak want to

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Speaker 1: be tied to this deal before he can try to

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Speaker 1: cash it again? Because you're right, Kyle, the market's going

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Speaker 1: to get reset certainly when Pat Mahomes signs his extension

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Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. Yeah, of course, man Mahome's agent, they're

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Speaker 1: they're just waiting. They're waiting on Dak's deal to get done,

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Speaker 1: because Dak may be the highest paid quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: NFL for all of two weeks after he signs his deal,

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Speaker 1: because you know that there's another contract looming. Not only

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Speaker 1: with that, the market is going to get reset with

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Speaker 1: Watson also, and you got to think about Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: if he's able to continue on the course that he's

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Speaker 1: he's on in Baltimore. All of these things are going

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, markets setting contracts while all of

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and I mean we're talking about forty million dollars. Man.

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Speaker 1: We may look up here a year or two from

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Speaker 1: now and a guy may be at the fifty fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollar mark. Nothing is out of bounds anymore as

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Speaker 1: far as quarterback salaries. I think both both sides, Prescott

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Speaker 1: his agent, and you know the Cowboys front office are

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Speaker 1: aware of that. I would I find a heartily that's

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Speaker 1: on something they're thinking about in terms of how quickly

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Speaker 1: they do want to get this deal done, because they

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Speaker 1: know pretty much every year for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: It seems this quarterback if the market's just going to

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Speaker 1: keep going out, you know it's gonna be reset with

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Speaker 1: every new quarterback signing. So you might as well get

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Speaker 1: this deal done now so that you're not happy to

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Speaker 1: continue to up the price of how much she's going

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Speaker 1: to be asking for. It is amazing and made though.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Rob, go ahead, Well I was going to

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Speaker 1: move on. It's amazing his salaries. I mean, four hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand I think early on in two million last year.

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Speaker 1: He's getting those endorsements from those those places like you're

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Speaker 1: talking about Kyle, But there's nothing like one hundred plus

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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed on a new contract, right whatever, whatever

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Speaker 1: it's going to be. If he's when he signs, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like hitting the lottery. Whenever he finally gets

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Speaker 1: that first paycheck. I remember when Deshaun Watson opened up

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Speaker 1: his first one. He said he like setting alarm for

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Speaker 1: three am, and then he woke up and was like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, that's when that paycheck hit. And that was

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Speaker 1: still a rookie deal. So it's going to be even

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Speaker 1: bigger for Dak Prescott whenever that day actually does come around.

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Speaker 1: But still kind of talking through the quarterback situation and

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Speaker 1: the contract situations around Dak Prescott. It's never a quiet

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Speaker 1: offseason whenever you're around the Dallas Cowboys, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in some scenarios for you guys coming

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Speaker 1: up next. We're gonna take a quick break right here.

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Speaker 1: But when we come back, one of the biggest needs

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Speaker 1: that I think the Cowboys should at least make some

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Speaker 1: MA Harrison, Rob Phillips, Danny Siak. I'm Kyle Yeomans, And

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Speaker 1: as we go into this final segment, first I want

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Speaker 1: to kind of allude to exactly how cap spaces there

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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys right now and kind of what

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Speaker 1: they could do to fill some of those spots. And

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Speaker 1: then I'm going to get into some edge rush spots

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Speaker 1: there as well right now, including what it's going to

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Speaker 1: take to sign this Dallas Cowboys draft class. There's about

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Speaker 1: fifteen and a half million dollars left in cap space,

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Speaker 1: which means that there could be some more additions on

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Speaker 1: the way, whether that's to sign a Dak Prescott to

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Speaker 1: a long term deal or to kind of maybe clear

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Speaker 1: up even some more space and get a bigger name

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Speaker 1: in here. I don't think the Cowboys are done making deals,

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Speaker 1: whether that be through the draft, whether that be through trades.

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Speaker 1: We saw last year Robert Quinn was a late trade

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Speaker 1: in the off season between Miami and the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn ended up being your best pass rusher. Now

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Speaker 1: he's gone. There's a couple guys at edge that I

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Speaker 1: think could see a Robert Quinn type of deal, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to rely on you guys to tell me

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Speaker 1: if this is stupid or not, so I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: for it. And first guy that I really like overall

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Speaker 1: actually had some news come around today, and I like

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Speaker 1: this idea just because he's an incredible football player. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it would necessarily work, especially with the

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Speaker 1: money situation with the Cowboys, but let's go to Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: Yannick and Guackway, one of the top pass rushers, exactly

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Speaker 1: an edge rushers overall in the league, still just twenty

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Speaker 1: four years old. He's a guy you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: turn around and pay pretty quickly. I believe he's on

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag right now in Jacksonville. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it would take to get this guy, but it

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Speaker 1: would be maybe less of a Robert Quinn type of

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Speaker 1: deal and more of a blockbuster type of deal. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, like I said, how much it

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Speaker 1: would take to get him. But I think this is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Cowboys to at least get him

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Speaker 1: on the phone and have some conversations with the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: about or excuse me, with the Jaguars about trying to

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Speaker 1: acquire a guy of his caliber. And I wanted to

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Speaker 1: see We'll start with you. Heckma, what do you look

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Speaker 1: at whenever you're trying to find a guy like Yannick

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Speaker 1: and Walkway out of jack Villa and maybe try and

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Speaker 1: make a deal there. Yeah, and Doc Way gives me

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Speaker 1: the willies. I mean, he's I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 1: understand the franchise tag, but again, man, he is the

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Speaker 1: beneficiary of a really good defensive front with Klais Campbell,

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Speaker 1: and you know, anytime you're having that like we talked

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Speaker 1: about in the first segment, and anytime you got guys

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Speaker 1: that collapse that pocket and make it really simple for

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Speaker 1: a guy like in Doc Way to get those numbers

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Speaker 1: up and get pressures m You know again, you talked

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Speaker 1: about the deal that he's that he's expecting, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to be upward in the twenty million dollar range

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Speaker 1: as well. We already got that guy in the tank, Lauren,

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Speaker 1: So you know, look, we want a guy that's gonna

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Speaker 1: come in and fill in and be that piece on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the tank that is serviceable and

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Speaker 1: and we don't have to break the bank to try

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Speaker 1: to get You know again, I understand the athletic ability

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Speaker 1: and the upside for in Doc Way as far as

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Speaker 1: his age, but I'd pass on him. I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: Hackmed worried me to bring in a player where you

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to pay him a lot that

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Speaker 1: next year. I you know, you're right. We just played

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Speaker 1: paid to Marcus Lawrence a ton of money. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: had to let Robert Quinn go, and so I think

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Speaker 1: they're not looking for someone where you're going to have

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Speaker 1: to break the bank on them after one season. It

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Speaker 1: was a different position, but I think that was when

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, you know, there were talks about maybe making

857
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: a trade for Jamal Adams, but you know, he's gonna

858
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: need a new deal soon. I just those kind of

859
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: things kind of worry me about what kind of player

860
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: are you going to get for one year and having

861
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: them integrating and then all of a sudden, you're you know,

862
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: they want all this money. Yeah. I tend to agree,

863
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: just in terms of the resources you have to give up,

864
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys didn't want to. They don't like giving

865
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: up high draft picks. You know, Mary Cooper was an

866
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: exception because they were desperate basically mid season in twenty

867
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: eighteen to turn it around and try to make the playoffs.

868
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: It's not something they want to do a lot. I

869
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: don't know what it would cost in this situation, but

870
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: certainly more than a six round pick that she gave

871
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: up for Robert Quinn last year. And then the money

872
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: comes in as well. And there's a reason the Cowboys

873
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: have been pretty as usual, been pretty selective in what

874
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: they're doing in free agency because to your point, Kyle,

875
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: they've you know, they've got to pay Dak eventually long time,

876
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: even though that I guess that's slotted at a pretty

877
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: high level right now with the franchise tag being around

878
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: twenty six something million. But you've also got to save

879
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: a little money on your cap for your draft picks,

880
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: and and so they you know, they've got seven picks

881
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: this year, and I think, you know, the preference would

882
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: be to try to hit something big there and then

883
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, have a player under relatively low cost control

884
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: for a while, as opposed to haven't turn around and

885
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: pay another big money deal soon. Yeah, I think Kyle's

886
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: computer frowze up. But if I know Kyle like I

887
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: think I do, I'm gonna do a little bit of

888
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: a noster damas here for Kyle. He would probably be

889
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: someone that would be interested in Cincinnati defensive being Carlos

890
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Dunlap that's been in the league fourteen years, coming off

891
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: of a believe he's two years into his contract, and

892
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: so that's a guy that the Cowboys could definitely sign

893
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: as well. Carlos Dunlap has been a pro, a good

894
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: ten year pro guy out of Florida. Rob you may

895
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: know a little bit about Carlos Dunlap played in the

896
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis system six six two d seventy pounds or so,

897
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: a guy that would fit in nicely, and we definitely

898
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to break the bank for a Carlos Dunlap. Yeah,

899
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: that's that probably seems a little more palatable. I mean,

900
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: at some point they've got to do They're gonna have

901
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: to do something to help address that edge rusher spot.

902
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: I alluded to it earlier with Gerald McCoy can play

903
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: a little bit on the edge. Tyrold Crawford certainly can

904
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. Well, Randy Gregory, I guess, is still

905
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: out there. They still have his rights. If they can

906
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: figure out something with him and get him back off

907
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: of suspension, that all remains to be seen. That's that's

908
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: a lot to ask. I don't think you can count

909
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: on that. But you know, I think this discussion is

910
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: well founded because when you look at what the Cowboys

911
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: have done in the last three weeks or so, based

912
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: on what's left, I think, you know, quarter and edge

913
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: rusher to find find somebody to replace Robert Quinn. Have

914
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: we got Kyle back? Do we know? I don't know,

915
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: he's frozen. He's just sitting there. It's like Mexican Joe.

916
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: It's just pretty weird. Danny, what's you got? Oh man,

917
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: this is great. Poor Kyle. I know he had some

918
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: really good questions too. I would hope that the Cowboys.

919
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: I think there's some good enough options for draft picks

920
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: looking at that edge rusher, but it's it's a tough call.

921
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: I think that will probably be one of their top

922
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: picks they use because we've seen in the past Cowboys

923
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: don't typically use those early picks for defensive backs, although

924
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: that's a major area that Cowboys have a need for.

925
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: But honestly, the thing the thoughts I had, you know,

926
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: if you would have asked me a week out, ilud

927
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: have said, you know, you know, you know, defensive ends

928
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: probably their first pick, I would think. But then I'm thinking, well,

929
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: you have Joe Looney. But but Travis Frederick ret hired.

930
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are they going to do for a center?

931
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Like we you know, I mean, like we have a

932
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Hawk Clinton Dix now, but what are we going to

933
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: do for a defensive back? So I still think defensive

934
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: end is one of their top picks they're going to

935
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: have to address in the draft. But I mean Honestly, guys,

936
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: I think anything is a go at this point. Now,

937
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: all right, guys, I'm back. I've I've made it back.

938
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: The computer froze up on me in the middle of

939
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: that last question, so I couldn't hear anything of what

940
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: you guys have been talking about. But I just heard

941
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: what you said at the end, Danny, and kind of

942
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: heard about exactly you were talking about how there are

943
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: some draft picks there are there is a need at

944
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: edge rusher for the Dallas Cowboys. And if you look

945
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: right right on that right defensive end spot, you talk

946
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: about Tyrone Crawford being there, if Randy Gregory he's even

947
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: going to be available, and then Jalen Jelks there maybe

948
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, there's there's a couple options, but

949
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: you would think maybe a guy like a Carlos Dunlap

950
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: could be a particular Why are you guys laughing? Is this?

951
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: Did you guys talk about this? I'm gonna go wow,

952
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: did heck mccallege. Look at being a boss, he goes

953
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: be better than anybody. But yeah, I think Carlos Dunlap

954
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: is a guy that you could potentially get for a

955
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round pick. This is a guy who

956
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: was one of the top top twenty rated pass rushers

957
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: in the league last year, and he was right behind

958
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn and DeMarcus Lawrence on Pro Football Focus. Lawrence

959
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: was seventeenth, Quinn was eighteenth, and then Carlos Dunlap was nineteenth.

960
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: He was higher than Jannick and Walkway. He was higher

961
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: than Jadavian Clowney. He has even as a veteran, he

962
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: has a lot of presents on that edge. He's a

963
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: guy that if they wanted to have a draft target,

964
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm all over the Carlos Dunlap trade train. At least

965
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: let's give up a fourth or a fifth round pick

966
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: and try and go get the guy. But I also

967
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: think it's awesome to look at some of these edge rushers.

968
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: And the Draft show last Thursday brought up at edge

969
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: rusher and Klavan Chase, and that was the pick that

970
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys actually had at pick seventeen. He's at edge

971
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: rusher out of LSU, just a freakish athlete. And there

972
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: are a couple options there, whether it's a Chase on

973
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: or maybe a guy out of Penn State like Yedder

974
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: Gross matos aj Epiness is another name out of Iowa.

975
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: There are edge rushers there to Danny's point in the

976
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: draft that can make you excited at pick seventeen about

977
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: filling that spot. And then all of a sudden you've

978
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: got DeMarcus Lawrence, Gerald McCoy, don Terry Poe and then

979
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: insert draft pick name here, and all of a sudden

980
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: your defensive line is cooking. Yeah, Chase and I like

981
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, But again, all of that's

982
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna be contingent on where c J. Henderson falls. I mean,

983
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: if CJ. Henderson is CJ from from Florida, is that

984
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: we got to take that guy and there are a

985
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: lot of other picks and guys that may be raided

986
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: ahead with the first pick. I am really and this

987
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: is something the philosophy that I just have not like,

988
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, being a part of and that's best player

989
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: available because we have so many deficiencies on defense. But

990
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind being a part the best player available

991
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: because I because I feel like, man, when you have

992
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: a need, when you have a need on defense, like

993
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: when everyone start having the CJ. Lamb conversation, if cjla

994
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: if CD excuse me, CD Lamb, Yeah, if Cede Lamb

995
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: is there, we take CD Lamb And I'm like, no,

996
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: how do we take CD Lamb when our cornerback. You know,

997
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna start the season with Brown and Woozier and

998
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: Louise Lewis we need a cornerback right now. But I understand,

999
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I completely get it. Best player available, and if Chason

1000
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: is a guy that's there for us and he is

1001
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: the best player available, I wouldn't have a problem with

1002
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: getting them. I'm with that on this. You've always got

1003
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: to have need on some level in the draft. I mean,

1004
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: you can't take a quarterback in the first round just

1005
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: because you might be the best guy on your board.

1006
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: But I think it would work out fine. Either edge

1007
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: rusher or corner. It's got to be it's gotta be

1008
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: one of those two in my opinion, based on what's

1009
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: out there. To answer Danny's question, because we touched on

1010
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: it last week. With Travis Frederick retiring, I still think

1011
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: they've got enough internally where they feel good about, you know,

1012
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: trying to replace him, whether it's Joe Looney just stepping

1013
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: back in, or Connor McGovern as an option, even Connor Williams,

1014
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: who they think can play off five positions. They've got

1015
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: enough flexibility, I think on the line where they don't

1016
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: have to spend a high draft pick there. Yeah, I

1017
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: don't think a high draft pick will be the offensive line.

1018
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: It was just something where I was like, it feels

1019
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: like it's changing every week. I think maybe they'll use

1020
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: that first pick maybe for an edge rusher because as

1021
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: the run defense was just so poor last year, and

1022
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: I think if you can really secure this defensive line,

1023
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: that will in terms trickle down and help the rest

1024
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: of the defense. Yes, and so that I just I

1025
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: think that's where they're going to end up making that

1026
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: first pick at seventeen. And I think kind of going

1027
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: off of that, you look at some of the veteran

1028
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: additions in that secondary. I mean, you resign guys like

1029
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, You've got a couple guys in Jordan Lewis

1030
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: and Shadobe a Woozier that could be solid corners. And

1031
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: then at the safety position you've got woods in Haha,

1032
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix now back there. What's a better way to

1033
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: make them better is make your defensive line rutter. And

1034
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: they're beefing up the defensive line. That's exactly what they've

1035
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: been doing all offseason long. And if they find an

1036
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: edge rusher, which I still think is one of the

1037
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: better needs of this Cowboys defense. To your point, Danny,

1038
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: if you go out and get a guy that's going

1039
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: to find a way to stop the run defensively, it

1040
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: also makes your linebackers better, which in turn makes your

1041
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: defense just as a whole better. I think that's an

1042
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: underrated look at how they could really improve. I know

1043
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: a lot of emphasis and trust me, draft Twitter has

1044
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: been all over this. There's a lot of emphasis on

1045
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: the corners and the safeties. But one way to make

1046
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: everyone on your team better with one pick is finding

1047
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: a good edge rusher. And I think, yeah, looking for

1048
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: Kyle You're right, But at the same time, you know,

1049
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: in the back half of our defense, we're even With

1050
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: the signing of of Clinton Dix. I like him, I think,

1051
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: and and a lot has been made about him being

1052
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: a bridge player, not a guy is gonna be a mainstay,

1053
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: but a guy that's gonna get us through the season

1054
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: till we get to the guy that we really want.

1055
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about Antoine Winfield Jr. Being a

1056
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: guy that could come in and impact this defense immediately,

1057
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, being even if he's a strong safety. I

1058
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: know last year, Cowboy Nation, we wanted Thomas. We know

1059
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: we were crying for Jamal Adams players like that because

1060
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: we understand that we need a ball hawk. And with

1061
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: the secondary coach and Al Harris, that's exactly what he's

1062
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: been preaching, saying that I want guys that touch the

1063
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: ball every play, one way or another. And I'm just

1064
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: not sold on what we're gonna do with Brown and

1065
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Speaker 1: Woozy A. Lewis and even Kennedy, And I believe the

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Speaker 1: Kennedy signing was just special teams. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: he won't be a viable option for us, but again,

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Speaker 1: we need those guys that, look, we don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about him. He can be that lockdown corner. I believe,

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Speaker 1: I believe honestly that Jones he was a beneficiary of

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Speaker 1: the fact that everyone knew that the guy on the

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Speaker 1: other side of him was a little bit more susceptible

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Speaker 1: and weaker, and so they attacked him. And with all

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Speaker 1: that being said, I mean, byer Jones cash out based

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Speaker 1: off of that, but yeah he did. I mean, but

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Speaker 1: we gotta we have to, we have to, and I

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Speaker 1: mean we talked of there's so much being made about

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and the fact that you know he had

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Speaker 1: where he was at at at and T Stadium. He

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Speaker 1: loved that home cook and he played his butt off.

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Speaker 1: But then when you went on the road, he was

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Speaker 1: it was horrible. Is a different and not horrible, but

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Speaker 1: it's had different numbers. That was the same for our

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Speaker 1: defense man. They did not pack the defense with them

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Speaker 1: when they landed as stadiums on the road, and it

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Speaker 1: consequently you go game by game by game where the

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Speaker 1: defense was just completely letting us down and giving up

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Speaker 1: those drives, and you know, at the end of the

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Speaker 1: second half, beginning of the third quarter, things like that

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Speaker 1: were just demoralizing and just killed the momentum where Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott was having to play a lot from behind and

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Speaker 1: just make miraculous throws and make plays to get us

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Speaker 1: back on the board. So we have got to finish

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Speaker 1: this off because our defense last year, no matter what

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Speaker 1: the numbers say, our defense played poorly. Here's the other

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Speaker 1: thing too, about the cornerback position. I know this can't

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Speaker 1: be the only factor when you're drafting, but you gotta

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Speaker 1: look long term to a certain degree, and I believe

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Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's getting a new three year deal, but Cheeto,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, and I believe Kennedy one year deals essentially

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Speaker 1: last year their deal. So you gotta look at what

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Speaker 1: your cornerback position is gonna look like pass this season

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Speaker 1: and need is I think they need another talented guy

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Speaker 1: there anyway, But you got to start looking at what

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Speaker 1: your roster is going to look back look like back

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Speaker 1: there in twenty twenty one too. I will say, here's

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Speaker 1: the most exciting part is that for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a decade, we have the new coaching staff, which

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Speaker 1: means that everything that has been a trend for the

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Speaker 1: last couple of draft years could be out the window.

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Speaker 1: So the back of the Cowboys haven't really prioritized defensive

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Speaker 1: back to the last couple of years. Early on in

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Speaker 1: the draft that could be their first pick. That's a

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Speaker 1: great point, and you could talk about even coaching in general.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the way that we're going to

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Speaker 1: attack the fifty three man roster. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: completely different. It's breaking all of those norms that you're

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Speaker 1: used to seeing for the Cowboys, and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people forget about that because they've been so

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Speaker 1: concentrated on certain ways that the Cowboys operate, whether it

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Speaker 1: be with the new or the old coaching staff now

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Speaker 1: moving in the new one, things are going to change,

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Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Moving forward here for

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, but I think that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: here for Talking Cowboys. As we're running up on our time,

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Speaker 1: a lot is that is today? I think that's it,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy went buying a blink of an eye.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully over the past hour we were able to

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Speaker 1: entertain you enough during your respective quarantine and shelter in

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Speaker 1: place viewing, I guess, and listening here on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: But guys, it's been a whole lot of fun and

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Speaker 1: look forward to doing again next week. For heck Ma Harrison,

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Speaker 1: for Danny Serek, and for Rod Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's

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