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Speaker 3: You to rock today.
Speaker 7: Up, I hit, I hit the table and the mic
Speaker 7: went out.
Speaker 4: We've got Patrick Nosey Walker back in business.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, sir.
Speaker 6: It's been a couple of weeks, but Patrick is back
Speaker 6: from VAK and he's ready to go. We've got Josh
Speaker 6: Rodriguez back from Mission Impossible screenings and meeting Tom.
Speaker 8: Cruise and yeah, absolutely no.
Speaker 7: He was on the red carpet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was there your red carpet. Oh no,
Speaker 3: Tom was Tom.
Speaker 9: Cruise was here, Tom where he was trying barbecue, He
Speaker 9: was doing all sorts of things. Now we were supposed
Speaker 9: to go to a screening with him there.
Speaker 8: He canceled at the last minute.
Speaker 3: Makes sense, Only I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: You know, that is the first time I've ever heard
Speaker 4: anybody refer to Tom Cruise as Tom.
Speaker 8: Tom, Thomas, Tommy.
Speaker 3: They're on the first name a big deal.
Speaker 2: You have kind of carte blanche to use whatever version
Speaker 2: of Tom Cruise's name is.
Speaker 3: You like Thomas, If you will, kobd.
Speaker 7: We've got Tommy arras shupstairs.
Speaker 6: We've got Isaiah State back in the building, back on
Speaker 6: this side of the planet.
Speaker 7: After your trip to Ghana, how was that?
Speaker 3: It was good? Many trip? Yeah, and I went out
Speaker 3: there just like four days, four day trip, quick turning
Speaker 3: around quick, yeah, just a quick there and back.
Speaker 4: It's quick there and back. Man went out there, had
Speaker 4: to take care of some business. And now I'm back
Speaker 4: here with.
Speaker 2: Them, No biggie, just a quick hop to Gana. It's
Speaker 2: the way you're down playing.
Speaker 8: Hop skipping a jump over.
Speaker 3: Listen, I have a puddle jump listen. I told, I
Speaker 3: told this guy. I told Barry Church and Nate Newton.
Speaker 4: I vowed I made this statement last year, and I
Speaker 4: actually I sent Barry a picture of me sitting I
Speaker 4: was actually sitting on the beach, uh waiting buying time
Speaker 4: before my flight because I had a ten pm flight.
Speaker 3: Right, So we were chilling on.
Speaker 4: The beach because you're right there at Akua, right on
Speaker 4: the on the ocean front there. And I sent Barry
Speaker 4: a picture. I was watching the show. I was watching
Speaker 4: the podcast and I was listening, and I sent him
Speaker 4: a picture. I was like, don't tell you. You can
Speaker 4: never say your boy don't support you, right, he said, boy,
Speaker 4: he said, you told us last year that you were
Speaker 4: going to be catching trips this year and you weren't playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm listen. I'm finding out. This world
Speaker 3: is large. It is and it is.
Speaker 4: I love the Us of A and I'm grateful, but
Speaker 4: there is a lot to see.
Speaker 3: Got to get out in the sand. I got to
Speaker 3: get out of the sandbox I have right now.
Speaker 4: I've had these blinders on for a long time and
Speaker 4: I'm I'm taking them off.
Speaker 3: I'm putting on the buifocals now. Man, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: see it all. So where's your next trip? I don't know.
Speaker 3: You've always wanted to go to like Japan? Right? I
Speaker 3: went there? Well, you did go to I went to
Speaker 3: Japan there.
Speaker 4: This is my second trip to Africa in the last
Speaker 4: you know, third fourteen months.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's next. I have the Philippines on
Speaker 3: my list.
Speaker 4: I have Australia was supposed to happen before my wife
Speaker 4: and I actually got married, but she wanted to be
Speaker 4: a flight attendant and that took presential time. But Australia,
Speaker 4: I definitely want to do it, but I don't really
Speaker 4: do all the dangerous stuff that's in Australia.
Speaker 3: You know, they have maybe New Zealand maybe.
Speaker 7: Maybe Have you ever been to Seattle?
Speaker 4: I think Thailand? Thailand and Philippines are probably next up
Speaker 4: on the list. Those are high.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to Waco, Texas? I've been through.
Speaker 3: I'm through.
Speaker 9: You can go there with like very little money and
Speaker 9: have an excellent time. Yeah, like you could be a
Speaker 9: thousand diar like myself and live it up, live it large.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I really want to go to Thailand, Like that's
Speaker 4: very high on my list. But I did one of
Speaker 4: those prepaid vacation things for Hawaii, so like I have
Speaker 4: to do that like in the next year, so at.
Speaker 2: Some point I gotta take the family at some point.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be yes, Hawaii is definitely not all right.
Speaker 6: Well, glad to have you all back a little bit
Speaker 6: since we've had the whole cast ready to ready to go,
Speaker 6: Miss Beam in the back to get into some some
Speaker 6: OTA news and notes. The Cowboys started OTA's last week
Speaker 6: last Monday, in fact, and as we alluded to last
Speaker 6: weekend or last episode, uh, we only had the one
Speaker 6: look and it came on Tuesday, and it came after
Speaker 6: the show was recorded on Tuesday, because of course that's.
Speaker 7: How it always works with guess when we're going to get.
Speaker 3: A look this week after the show.
Speaker 6: So it does take a little bit of time to
Speaker 6: to really get to see it. But Patrick, I know
Speaker 6: you were out of town, but you were keeping up
Speaker 6: very closely with it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And one thing that stuck out to me most
Speaker 2: certainly is the budding chemistry and how quickly the chemistry
Speaker 2: between Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens is kind of taken off.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see that Cede Lamb is so fully
Speaker 2: embracing this trade. I mean, going back to a day
Speaker 2: before it was announced. If you look at the kind
Speaker 2: of subterfuge behind his tweet with that the waving hands
Speaker 2: set right, and then you look at how you know
Speaker 2: there's one thing for George Pickens to come in as
Speaker 2: the new guy, and everybody's like, well, how's he going
Speaker 2: to react to knowing that he's not the one, knowing
Speaker 2: that at best he's the one B. Some people are
Speaker 2: saying he's wr two, rightfully so, but then you have
Speaker 2: the king on the throne and ceedee lamb come out
Speaker 2: and say, we're both ones. You look over there and
Speaker 2: you gotta one. You look over here and you gotta one.
Speaker 2: Which one do you want to that's the goal? Which
Speaker 2: one do you want to have a problem with? So
Speaker 2: I love that that's really standing out. I think that's
Speaker 2: going to help them both hit the ground running very
Speaker 2: quickly with Dak Prescott Dak and George Pickens. That chemistry
Speaker 2: is starting to kind of take off quickly. I just
Speaker 2: love that the cohesiveness. And then when you talk about
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer, one of the things that we all spoke
Speaker 2: about was just how impressive Schottenheimer has been to this
Speaker 2: point with all of his talking points. Every time he speaks,
Speaker 2: rather be publicly or to us behind the scenes, it's
Speaker 2: a home run swing every single time. But the question
Speaker 2: was how would that translate on the field to be determined,
Speaker 2: But so far, with OTAs and veterans having now reported,
Speaker 2: you start to see people like one Yea Thomas go
Speaker 2: to Twitter and say we're having fun again, right, So,
Speaker 2: when you start to see things like that, and Isaiah
Speaker 2: spoke to this quite a bit over the past season
Speaker 2: or two, the locker room chemistry, how players are reacting
Speaker 2: to the coaching staff. There is this energy that's kind
Speaker 2: of permeating throughout the locker room and throughout the coaching
Speaker 2: staff that I would love to see that translate into wins,
Speaker 2: and hopefully it does. But again, with this next step
Speaker 2: having been taken in OTAs, things are really really ratchetting up.
Speaker 2: And I love that the Cowboys front office has given
Speaker 2: Shottenheimer a lot of firepower.
Speaker 9: It's something that the podcasts have talked about since run
Speaker 9: Brian Schotenheimer's been the head coach, and like his press
Speaker 9: conferences and like you said, every time he speaks, he
Speaker 9: wins something. He's winning over the team, he's winning over
Speaker 9: the press and everything like that. And you see a
Speaker 9: lot that the Cowboys are winning the off season, like
Speaker 9: in quotations, winning the off season My thing is like,
Speaker 9: this personality has a huge personality.
Speaker 8: He's very likable.
Speaker 9: But the thing is, if you go into the season
Speaker 9: and you start losing games, that personality is going to
Speaker 9: start to be like, all.
Speaker 8: Right, what are we doing here?
Speaker 9: You know like it, you're going to call for more
Speaker 9: professionalism and more Mike McCarthy is kind of a stoic leader. Yeah,
Speaker 9: whenever the chips are down, and my thing is like,
Speaker 9: as long as he's consistent, wish he has been this
Speaker 9: whole time, You're going to see that. It might get
Speaker 9: a little grading throughout the season if we're not playing
Speaker 9: up to the caliber that we were. I mean, this
Speaker 9: is a seven team, seven win team last season, so
Speaker 9: you expect them to do really well. If it doesn't
Speaker 9: go well, I don't want the narrative of Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 9: to be like, this guy's not taking any thing seriously.
Speaker 9: What is he doing playing ping pong with the players
Speaker 9: for us?
Speaker 6: That's why I chuckled a little bit there when Patrick
Speaker 6: was talking about it too. Was because they are having
Speaker 6: fun again and they're talking about it in the press conferences.
Speaker 6: Brian Schotneimer last week talked about how competition every day
Speaker 6: that's been the theme of the off season competition every day,
Speaker 6: and they do it in little spurts, and they do
Speaker 6: it even in themed games like the Masters and like
Speaker 6: they did with the Kentucky Derby, And there are a
Speaker 6: couple different things that they've done to kind of get
Speaker 6: the guys engaged, get them competing. And then the free
Speaker 6: throw shooting contest that we've heard about, different elements and
Speaker 6: different contests. That's all great, that's all fine and dandy,
Speaker 6: and I love it because it helps build culture, and
Speaker 6: it helps build camaraderie within the locker room, and it
Speaker 6: helps everybody know that you are here to compete as
Speaker 6: soon as you step in the building. But right now,
Speaker 6: it's easy to do all that type of stuff when
Speaker 6: you're not playing somebody on Sunday. And so at some
Speaker 6: point there will be a switch. There's a flip of
Speaker 6: the switch. Maybe it's training camp, maybe it's before then,
Speaker 6: but at some point you're gonna have to flip the switch.
Speaker 6: And it's like, okay, at the free throw shooting contest,
Speaker 6: it's not May anymore. It's okay to do that in May.
Speaker 6: It's okay to have that type of mentality in May, because.
Speaker 7: I don't want the narrative to become what Joshu.
Speaker 6: Is alluding to there and what it has been in
Speaker 6: the past when there have been ping pong tables in
Speaker 6: the locker room, that it's all about that this is
Speaker 6: just a byproduct of switching a culture what it is,
Speaker 6: but you can't let it become a distraction.
Speaker 2: I think what I'm looking for to most obviously, you
Speaker 2: don't want to see the Cowboys suffer any kind of
Speaker 2: losing streak at all. I want to see them run
Speaker 2: the table lift at all possible. Unlikely, you know, but
Speaker 2: that's what you would love to see happen. My thing is,
Speaker 2: I want to see how Shottenheimer's Cowboys react to a
Speaker 2: two game losing streak game.
Speaker 8: I don't want to see that.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to I don't want to see
Speaker 2: them suffer the losses. But this is the NFL, and
Speaker 2: hard times arrive, and were going to see this time
Speaker 2: and again with the Cowboys, be it injuries or just
Speaker 2: the bounce of the ball or bad call you know,
Speaker 2: from the sidelines, or with the zebras, whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be. When the Cowboys inevitably run up against adversity
Speaker 2: this season, what does their bounce back look like.
Speaker 3: What does their shake back look like? Right?
Speaker 2: Does the locker room remain together or do they start thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the paint poll table can't save us, now, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I do want to see how
Speaker 2: that how that bounce back looks, because that's going to
Speaker 2: determine what they look like in the long run. So okay,
Speaker 2: So too many people I believe are putting too much
Speaker 2: emphasis on the things that are going underneath the umbrella
Speaker 2: of this culture change talking about them and speaking on
Speaker 2: the actual activities.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know it's listen, y'all, it's the headline stuff.
Speaker 3: Listen, this is you've been playing this game your whole life.
Speaker 4: Okay, just because you're playing at the highest level doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that all of a sudden fun should go away.
Speaker 3: Agree, and like people have to understand that.
Speaker 4: Like this whole and it is this really you know,
Speaker 4: to me correlates with the whole shut up and dribble
Speaker 4: and you know, you know, saying be a professional, you
Speaker 4: shouldn't have an opinion like why can't I have fun?
Speaker 3: Like why why can I not have fun? Like he is.
Speaker 4: Literally taking the blueprint from people that he's been underneath
Speaker 4: who have been highly successful at what they do as
Speaker 4: being a head coach.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Pete Carroll. Yeah, so this is literally he
Speaker 3: has fun.
Speaker 4: Literally what happened when Pete Carroll was with Seattle, and
Speaker 4: I would imagine it's the same thing with what the
Speaker 4: Raiders are doing right now. When you're underneath Pete Carroll's lineage.
Speaker 4: When you go into the meeting rooms, they're putting pictures
Speaker 4: of you from high school and college that are very
Speaker 4: compromising in blackmail type photos. Everybody's laughing at you. The
Speaker 4: cracking joke sounds like it coming from a come on man, absolutely,
Speaker 4: I can have stories upon stories about just laughing with
Speaker 4: your teammates and competing. I've said this how many times now.
Speaker 4: When dan Quinn came in as a decordinator, What did
Speaker 4: I tell you what was gonna happen? Competition, competition in
Speaker 4: a culture change. What happened immediately? Competition competition in a
Speaker 4: culture change. Where is dan Quinn underneath Pete Carroll? What
Speaker 4: was he mimicking Carroll? It's the same thing. It just
Speaker 4: so happens to be that this was now somebody who
Speaker 4: was underneath coach McCarthy and now he doesn't have to
Speaker 4: conform to anybody. This is him, this is me, This
Speaker 4: is what I've always wanted to do. This is what
Speaker 4: I told the Joneses that I was going to do,
Speaker 4: and they saw I would imagine that. I would imagine
Speaker 4: that dan Quinn had an impact on Schottenheimer's ability to
Speaker 4: become the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys because same
Speaker 4: things that he was telling the Joneses, that Joneses saw
Speaker 4: that through dan Quinn. So they already had a taste
Speaker 4: of it. Right they lost dan Quinn. He went over
Speaker 4: and started coaching Washington, So they already know what they had,
Speaker 4: they know what they lost, they know the impact that
Speaker 4: that gentleman had. Now they know what they have, they
Speaker 4: know what they did not want to lose, and they're
Speaker 4: going to allow for him to execute the game plan
Speaker 4: that he has said that he is going to come
Speaker 4: out here and do. And that's exactly what's happening. He's
Speaker 4: having fun, he's connected with the players. He's bringing down
Speaker 4: this barrier, this wall barrier of player and coach that
Speaker 4: says that we can't be on the same playing field.
Speaker 4: You have to just bark all the orders and I
Speaker 4: just have to listen everything you say all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the case, but it doesn't have to always be
Speaker 4: in this type of gift rapping. So people need to
Speaker 4: understand that there's different ways to coach. Dan Campbell coaches
Speaker 4: a completely different way than a dog On Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll coaches a completely different way than the Bill
Speaker 4: Belichick and oh and Tomlin and everybody else. There are
Speaker 4: different approaches, different styles. This is good for this organization
Speaker 4: at this time with these players. I've mentioned it many
Speaker 4: times when who's I'm blanking out now? The decordinator that
Speaker 4: came in, uh uh Zimmer, Mike Zimmer was there.
Speaker 3: I said what I said, I don't like it. You
Speaker 3: guys remember that.
Speaker 4: So I don't like it for a number From a
Speaker 4: personality standpoint, I said, I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that he's going to connect with the players the
Speaker 4: way in which these players.
Speaker 3: He's not going to meet them where they are. That
Speaker 3: was my thought process.
Speaker 4: Now he has some success with those guys, but I
Speaker 4: still don't believe that he connected with those guys where
Speaker 4: they are with this generation of player. Agree with this
Speaker 4: generation of player is very hard to go with that
Speaker 4: old school type of mentality not to say that you
Speaker 4: can't be productive. I said that he would still be productive,
Speaker 4: but connecting and those guys playing for you completely different things.
Speaker 6: It doesn't It matters what you have in terms of
Speaker 6: the personnel and the generation probably generational player.
Speaker 3: You have to meet these young guys where they're.
Speaker 6: At and you gotta you gotta play to their strengths.
Speaker 6: Teams like the Chiefs can have an old school mentality,
Speaker 6: and even Andy, I mean Andy Reid has fun.
Speaker 3: Different nugget commercials.
Speaker 9: Yeah, with his quarterback so exclusively wears Hawaiian shirts exactly,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Even that's kind of a mismatch of an example. The
Speaker 6: old school mentality works sometimes, but it depends on who
Speaker 6: the players are.
Speaker 7: And who you have. I think the type of player that.
Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer is trying to connect with are the ones
Speaker 6: on the fifty three to ninety man roster that we're
Speaker 6: going to have going into training camp that are on
Speaker 6: the other side of the building.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First, I want to give Isaiah that that rant sensational brand.
Speaker 7: Wise section, and I love the comments section.
Speaker 6: The comments section back set up because they keep saying
Speaker 6: the Pete Carroll comparison. I mean You're a guy who
Speaker 6: played for Pete Carroll, was recruited by Pete Carroll. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of connection there with Pete Carroll. And so
Speaker 6: you seeing that that comp with Brian Schottenheimer is accurate.
Speaker 6: I mean that's you've been in this building, You've been
Speaker 6: in that building.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to make one comment before you
Speaker 4: take this, because I'm sure you guys can run with this. Now,
Speaker 4: there's still there has to be a lot that has
Speaker 4: to be proven in terms of the Pete Carroll lineage.
Speaker 3: Right in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Right, there's been four coaches to be head coaches that
Speaker 4: have come from underneath the Pete Carroll umbrella, one of
Speaker 4: which is Gus Bradley. I played for Gus Bradley also
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville, same type of culture.
Speaker 3: Didn't work out, right.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say that it should be completely comparable,
Speaker 4: but it didn't work out there for another of reasons. Okay,
Speaker 4: But I could tell you that the morale of the
Speaker 4: team and everything else, the competitiveness was all there.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Robert Sala came from underneath the Pete Carroll Lennax right, Well,
Speaker 4: we know he's one heck of a coach. Just didn't
Speaker 4: pan out. There's a lot of things that were working
Speaker 4: against him there, right, coordinator, you got a Jackville Jaguars. Okay,
Speaker 4: Usually if you guys get head coaching opportunities and you're
Speaker 4: walking into a pretty terrible situation, right most of the time,
Speaker 4: not the case necessarily here, right, So Gus Bradley, Robert
Speaker 4: solid those things didn't necessarily work out. Dave Canalis. Right,
Speaker 4: he's down in the Carolina trying to turn things around.
Speaker 4: You can see this offseason what they've done.
Speaker 3: It's turning. It's turning, it's turning down there.
Speaker 8: That's not got midway through the season. Absolutely, it's definitely.
Speaker 4: He is finally being able to make decisions for himself
Speaker 4: that he really wants to make it and you really
Speaker 4: love him, love him. He's a freaking little offensive Jedi workhorse. Okay,
Speaker 4: So that's going to change down there, and you can
Speaker 4: see it right with the personnel that's going down there.
Speaker 4: Guys are choosing to go play for him now, so
Speaker 4: that's to be seen.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So we have two guys that right haven't worked out
Speaker 4: as head coaches, but great at their defensive coordinated positions.
Speaker 4: Dave Canalis, who were you know the jury's out, right,
Speaker 4: but we could see things are changing. And now you
Speaker 4: have Brian schotten Harmer all right, sorry and dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn, we know where dan Quinn is. So we're
Speaker 4: kind of two and two, right, let's call it two
Speaker 4: and two. Brian Schottenheimer's the tiebreaker. Okay, he's a tiebreaker,
Speaker 4: but he's all so the one who's walking into the
Speaker 4: best situation. Oh absolutely, of all these coaches, of all
Speaker 4: these coaches, he's walking into the best situation. Gus Bradley
Speaker 4: was the worst situation. I would say Robert Solo was
Speaker 4: right above him, right there, right nicka neck. Okay, then
Speaker 4: you had dan Quinn, are they Dave Canile's where jury's out?
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn, we know what he walked into and what
Speaker 4: he was able to do. And now you have Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 4: who's come from this lineage, right, this is this umbrella tree,
Speaker 4: and obviously he's walking into the best, most talented situation.
Speaker 2: Possible with cornerstones on both sides of the ball, actually
Speaker 2: on all three phases. Because when you talk about special teams,
Speaker 2: you're talking about turping, and you're talking about Brandon Aubreys
Speaker 2: will So yeah, I mean, hands down, is the best situation.
Speaker 3: Nick. My mic is on, I.
Speaker 6: Don't know what's going on. Nick Sorenson taking the special
Speaker 6: team's coordinator job is catching in the best job he
Speaker 6: could possibly land in in terms of his specific special
Speaker 6: teams coin. He's just walking in. He's gonna I've.
Speaker 7: Got Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds.
Speaker 4: Pro bowlers as spots that you're responsible for and in
Speaker 4: the long snapper obviously, but he hasn't made one yet.
Speaker 3: He hasn't made one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right there, right, So you got three out
Speaker 4: of your four people that you're responsible for are all
Speaker 4: pro guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's funny, all right, I love it.
Speaker 3: When we come back. Who I know mins cut off too,
Speaker 3: not going going well?
Speaker 6: Whoever had this mic last rady, he's getting a fine
Speaker 6: Who who stood out at OTAs is what we'll talk
Speaker 6: about when we come back on the other side of
Speaker 6: the break. There are a couple of names that jumped
Speaker 6: off the page, a couple of them that it's a
Speaker 6: little too early to tell. We'll kind of decipher that
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Speaker 6: We'll give you the comment of the day after the
Speaker 6: second break. We'll get some extra comments flowing in there.
Speaker 6: We've had just means they're not good enough. Guys, there
Speaker 6: was better comments.
Speaker 2: This isn't the coming of the day. But I want
Speaker 2: to point this out. First of all, shouts out Tommy Yards,
Speaker 2: I see you upstairs. You're in the chat. The chat
Speaker 2: because Hoodie said he can't wait for me to dust
Speaker 2: Tommy at a training camp and in the forty yard
Speaker 2: dash and Tommy tom dinning was like hold on there,
Speaker 2: Hoodie shouts out the anti jumping on Tommy side. That's
Speaker 2: all little good, but that's the that's the losing team.
Speaker 2: And shouts out to Hoodie, when is this happening?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 7: Women, when we were all out understand that, but that's
Speaker 7: a long time. I need a date, I would say,
Speaker 7: like July.
Speaker 3: I mean we got to get there and get settled.
Speaker 6: And you and I are getting out there, Tartmacs. You
Speaker 6: and I are getting out there like the twenty eighth.
Speaker 3: Who's my first class?
Speaker 7: Probably I'm not passing opportunity again.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm on the free upgrade list now, made sure
Speaker 4: your airline miles American.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 7: I still hate you for that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: What if we like tentatively set like August fifth, going
Speaker 6: into the first week schedule?
Speaker 3: Huh we need to know Thatary, No, No, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be in the morning.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good, the week of think eight.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 8: Out there a day any day anytime.
Speaker 3: I was gonna shoot you saying day you are ready
Speaker 3: to take on.
Speaker 8: Any day anytime. Once we're out there, dang, I.
Speaker 3: Like it morning. We don't have no work. We don't
Speaker 3: have it anymore. So remember McCarthy had the Mojo moment.
Speaker 4: Instead of just playing the NBC out there, we just
Speaker 4: dropped like Bamer plugs in his phone and just drops
Speaker 4: the talking.
Speaker 2: Now y'all want the whole presentation, absolutely, Lawrence, everybody keep
Speaker 2: out there any day anytime, with the day. I just
Speaker 2: see back of Mike and the guys underwater break Look
Speaker 2: at this, Look at this.
Speaker 3: We would make them up to Michael, my whole schedule
Speaker 3: release on it.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's get out there because I A,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, your mic is not playing it.
Speaker 3: It's not not going well today.
Speaker 8: It's okay, we're but it's not cutting out to them. Okay, No,
Speaker 8: it's cutting out to everybody.
Speaker 3: We're playing with it, cutting out with it. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to touch it again.
Speaker 6: So ot as last O t A's last week.
Speaker 3: Who stood out? Josh, get off the plate, That's what
Speaker 3: I said. Who stood out? On O t a s
Speaker 3: stood out?
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm just doing the eye test, right. I can
Speaker 9: only see what I see, And we got some great
Speaker 9: photographers here that takes great photos.
Speaker 8: But ah saw certain somebody.
Speaker 9: I was like looking in a mirror when I saw
Speaker 9: Solomon Thomas, Oh.
Speaker 8: Lord, he looks amazing.
Speaker 3: He's home. Yeah, he's he's even good.
Speaker 4: Mama's cooking jacked up, and I like it.
Speaker 3: It looks like Cooler from Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 2: He looks like a street shark out. He looks like
Speaker 2: a street shark. Bralli Bralli out there.
Speaker 9: Uh, just a physical specimen. He looked like he could
Speaker 9: be in w today yea. But honestly, he looks. He
Speaker 9: looks great. He's running great, he's running around the corner
Speaker 9: very well. Uh, the footwork looks good so far, at
Speaker 9: least for me. That's what I'm really most excited about.
Speaker 9: I mean, someone that's going to contribute depth wise in
Speaker 9: the season. There's a lot of guys if you look
Speaker 9: at the unrestricted free agents, if you look at the
Speaker 9: the draft picks that we have coming up, it's like,
Speaker 9: all right, you know they're gonna be vying for playing time.
Speaker 9: This guy is going to have playing time, no doubt.
Speaker 9: You're going to see him every Sunday fingers crossed. But
Speaker 9: just looking at him, like good lord, I could.
Speaker 3: Say I could tell you Osa is excited about it.
Speaker 4: Fact yeah, I had a brief conversation with Osa, and
Speaker 4: he was excited about the guys, not none of that
Speaker 4: that are coaching them now they have the position coaches,
Speaker 4: but he's excited about some of the additions that they've
Speaker 4: made for guys that fit the mold. He said that
Speaker 4: we're pretty much the same, same build, is what he said.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. I like that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to hit you back off of what what
Speaker 2: Josh is saying, because it's it would be easy to
Speaker 2: attach to one of the rookies right now because obviously
Speaker 2: they're the incoming guys, and you want to see guys
Speaker 2: like Theoya out there such and such. But it's it's
Speaker 2: still it's still early, so I let the rookies kind
Speaker 2: of acclimate more so that takes me to the veterans.
Speaker 2: And of the veterans, one of the more exciting ones
Speaker 2: for me has to be Solomon Thomas. And this was
Speaker 2: actually even prior to us seeing Solomon Thomas and OTA's
Speaker 2: the guys. Absolutely Thomas at the facts.
Speaker 4: Look like street, that's Solomon time on the West. I'm
Speaker 4: I'm going to replace this roster phone once you cut
Speaker 4: back to the crib and you get Mama's home cooking bro.
Speaker 8: But he's you.
Speaker 2: You can just tell that energy wise, he's rejuvenated.
Speaker 3: He's you know, hyped to go.
Speaker 2: But one thing I wrote in one of the science
Speaker 2: labs after Salomon Thomins was signed was and I love
Speaker 2: that you pointed out that Osa is excited about it.
Speaker 2: There's several reasons Osa is excited about it, but here's
Speaker 2: the primary reason.
Speaker 3: It's because Osa now gets to.
Speaker 2: Rest Okay, he gets to remain fresh as the game
Speaker 2: goes on. When I went back and I looked at
Speaker 2: Osa's defensive snap count since he came into the league
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, fifty seven percent of the snaps
Speaker 2: in twenty one, comparable in twenty two at fifty four percent,
Speaker 2: comparable in twenty three at sixty percent, ballooned in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four to.
Speaker 3: Seventy eight percent. Seventy eight percent.
Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind, this is a guy you just
Speaker 2: gave a cornerstone contract to four years with some serious money, right.
Speaker 2: You want him around for the long run, and you
Speaker 2: want him being able to impact games over the totality
Speaker 2: of four quarters. But what you saw in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four is more often than not, he started to wear
Speaker 2: down in the second half. He started to wear down
Speaker 2: in the second half of the season. Solomon Thomas's presence
Speaker 2: helps prevent that from happening because the drop off in talent,
Speaker 2: if you want to argue that there is any it's marginal.
Speaker 2: It's marginal versus pre Solomon Thomas, where when Osa came
Speaker 2: off the field, it was a precipitous drum. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: in impact and productivity. So when you look at what
Speaker 2: Solomon Thomas brings to the table, and then you look
Speaker 2: at how prepared he is to make an impact as
Speaker 2: early as day one with just being a specimen.
Speaker 3: That's exciting to me. That's just flat out exciting.
Speaker 8: It's Jossome, really Jossome.
Speaker 3: But I like it.
Speaker 6: On the offensive side of things, I know there was
Speaker 6: a lot of buzz around the wide receiver room around
Speaker 6: Pickens and Lamb.
Speaker 3: It's hard to see those guys go full force.
Speaker 6: Currently because they're just kind of rotating in and of
Speaker 6: course Pickens is learning the playbook as we go along.
Speaker 6: One guy that really did stand out, two guys actually,
Speaker 6: both pass catchers that are on the fringe of making
Speaker 6: the roster and being around one of them Jalen Cropper,
Speaker 6: who is just an all time practice team member. I
Speaker 6: feel like every year at this time and every year
Speaker 6: of training camp, we'll talk about proper.
Speaker 2: It's true, this will be year three that he's made
Speaker 2: the all practice, all.
Speaker 6: Training and he's been decent in the preseason, but it's
Speaker 6: just not the same whenever he's out there catching six
Speaker 6: or seven passes over and over, and it's not just
Speaker 6: from the backups.
Speaker 3: It's not Will Greer throwing on the rock.
Speaker 6: It's Joe Milton and Dak Prescott that are also throwing
Speaker 6: it to Jalen Cropper. He had more targets than any
Speaker 6: other receiver during our time out there as the media
Speaker 6: portion wrapped up. So yeah, kind of interesting to see
Speaker 6: how he's taking a step forward. And if you want
Speaker 6: to talk about a guy that looks like a juggernaut
Speaker 6: but can still run and can catch the football, his
Speaker 6: name is.
Speaker 3: Brevin span four tight end.
Speaker 6: Oh Man, big Phil. This is a big dude. And
Speaker 6: he was hauling, he was pulling away. He had to
Speaker 6: catch over the middle and he took off and he
Speaker 6: was pulling away from the secondary that was on the
Speaker 6: field at that point.
Speaker 3: Janye Thomas was trying to catch up to the gay.
Speaker 2: You know what his weight is right now? It's not
Speaker 2: It's probably what he told me when I asked him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I sized him up myself. I was like, I was like, bro,
Speaker 2: what is that one of.
Speaker 3: The ones where the attendants were up? Yeah? Because I
Speaker 3: look at him, he dwarfs me. Right. So I'm looking.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Brom, I'm six three, two fifty five right now.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm like, how much are you going right now?
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm like two seventy said, I'm sorry, what
Speaker 4: was that. He's houling and moving that mass too. He's
Speaker 4: the biggest tight end in the room. Oh easy, Absolutely,
Speaker 4: not just my height.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's saying a lot because Schoolmaker is not
Speaker 2: a small and.
Speaker 3: Not at all. He's a large human too, not a small.
Speaker 6: Ye, Brevin span Ford looks like Lebron James playing basketball,
Speaker 6: I mean playing football, Like.
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like.
Speaker 6: He's not as long and lanky, of course as as
Speaker 6: Lebron is, but man.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to his development.
Speaker 6: Man, Yeah, this might be a year where of course
Speaker 6: we've talked about John Stevens before as like a tight
Speaker 6: end three option, Brevin span Ford is quickly moving his self.
Speaker 7: Further and further up the depth chart. Somebody to keep
Speaker 7: an eye on as we.
Speaker 8: Get agree, and they'll be fund at training him for.
Speaker 2: Sure, especially as we all sit and wait to see
Speaker 2: if John Stevens Junion can stay healthy.
Speaker 7: It's a big one that he's not back on the
Speaker 7: field yet.
Speaker 2: So this is going to be a critical summer for
Speaker 2: John Stevens.
Speaker 6: And Ravaldo Fairweather was the cowboys lone remaining draftable grade
Speaker 6: that was still available going into the undrafted free agent portion.
Speaker 3: So fair Weather.
Speaker 6: As a tight end there, I bumped it as a
Speaker 6: tight end. There has a little bit of h sponsor
Speaker 6: in the room. There are some people that really like
Speaker 6: what fair Weather can do out of Auburn. He had
Speaker 6: a drop in the OTA practice that was open to
Speaker 6: the media, So it's a little bit different than than
Speaker 6: what we saw from Brevin spam Ford. But again, only
Speaker 6: one OTA practice and only one open to the media.
Speaker 8: What did you see from Tyler Neville? Another?
Speaker 7: Yeah, at that time, didn't see a whole lot.
Speaker 2: But see, this is what I mean when I say
Speaker 2: let's let's give the rookies some time to of course,
Speaker 2: because they rookie Minnie Camp okay, getting their feet with OTAs,
Speaker 2: they're starting out with the veterans now still getting their
Speaker 2: feet wet. I'm reticent to kind of say anything about
Speaker 2: rookie progress until we see them in Oxnard on the
Speaker 2: field after a couple of practices. Until then, they're just
Speaker 2: kind of going through the motions that are laid in
Speaker 2: front of them. Right, it's the veterans that I'm looking
Speaker 2: at in OTAs.
Speaker 3: How did Joe Milton look?
Speaker 8: How did Joe Milton look?
Speaker 6: And so in the media portion, he was on and off.
Speaker 6: It was kind of.
Speaker 3: Okay in regards to accuracy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he missed a couple passes, especially downfield. There was
Speaker 6: one that I know he's severely under through, which is
Speaker 6: not a problem for He.
Speaker 9: Had a really nice scamper too off ten years It
Speaker 9: was at least ten yard takeoff. But I mean, just
Speaker 9: the athleticability is there for sure.
Speaker 6: You can see he can he can run, he can
Speaker 6: get up and go. From people that I've talked to
Speaker 6: within the building, they are very impressed. And these are
Speaker 6: people that don't necessarily sugarcoat it, like their coaches and
Speaker 6: their their scouts, and they're watching everything. They like Joe Milton.
Speaker 6: They're happy for him or happy to have him.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see this QB to do. I'm
Speaker 2: really excited because as as much as Joe Milton needs
Speaker 2: to bringing to the table, what I want to see
Speaker 2: from Will Griar is which version of Will Gris shows
Speaker 2: up right?
Speaker 3: Is it the version that.
Speaker 2: Kind of did what he could to try his best
Speaker 2: behind Cooper Rush, but he couldn't really you know, supplant
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush. Or is it the one that showed up
Speaker 2: when after the Cowboys traded for Trey Lance and that
Speaker 2: same day basically told him, Hey, we're gonna end up
Speaker 2: letting you go, but we're going to let you go
Speaker 2: out there and show what you can really do and
Speaker 2: just unleash, just take over the game. And he did
Speaker 2: exactly that with four touchdowns and you know, some on
Speaker 2: the ground, some in the air over three hundred yards.
Speaker 3: If that Will Gris shows up time and again.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying one way or another, Milton, if
Speaker 2: you had to make me put money on it, which
Speaker 2: I can, good Hell, I'm not putting money on it.
Speaker 2: I would say Milton has the lead right now. But
Speaker 2: if Will Greer, if that version of Will Grill shows
Speaker 2: up and Milton can't sit back at all.
Speaker 7: I would love that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's much of a competition, No,
Speaker 6: I don't see it.
Speaker 3: I see it.
Speaker 6: I see this as Milton one, as a younger prospect
Speaker 6: that they're trying to build on high side. Correct, they're
Speaker 6: trying to build towards the upside.
Speaker 2: They invested in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 13: It was a hot minute ago. We're getting further and
Speaker 13: further from that Heisman vote here, Pat, But the facts
Speaker 13: you're right that it's a fact, but I don't see
Speaker 13: it as as that much.
Speaker 8: And that's that's one hundred speaking from a competition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'm saying is.
Speaker 2: I would love to see if will Grear can make
Speaker 2: someone like Kyle with a justifiable take like that. I
Speaker 2: love having and Isaiah and Josh and see like raising eyebrow, like,
Speaker 2: oh for sure, here's a competitive.
Speaker 3: I like him.
Speaker 4: Does my prediction at the RB one position still look
Speaker 4: like Williams is his prediction?
Speaker 8: I'd say yes, so far he's taking the first snaps.
Speaker 2: But again, veterans and OTAs, let the rookies. I'm not
Speaker 2: weighing that until I get the training camp. Let's see
Speaker 2: who begins with first team, who gets most of the
Speaker 2: first team, and who does what with their first team rest.
Speaker 3: The only person who's been here for the last period
Speaker 3: of time has been Dusbon, So yeah, Javonte Williams. I'm looking.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what he can do well.
Speaker 9: Brian toimer Heimer was given the flowers to one hundred
Speaker 9: lifkey in his last press conference, so.
Speaker 3: We know he's not gonna RB one. I know.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just talking about just guys in terms
Speaker 4: of that competing for that spot. Everybody who's truly competing
Speaker 4: for that spot has is having their first impressions with.
Speaker 3: This coaching staff.
Speaker 2: What's interesting about the Hunter lip Key equation is he
Speaker 2: gets a lot of praise and a lot of roses
Speaker 2: from the coaching staff, the previous coaching staff, and even
Speaker 2: the incoming coaching staff. He gets plenty of roses from analysts,
Speaker 2: he gets plenty of roses from the fans, but time
Speaker 2: and again it just doesn't translate to them giving him
Speaker 2: action on the field to points where sometimes we sit
Speaker 2: here and get frustrated, like you last year, for example,
Speaker 2: you needed a short yardist back.
Speaker 3: Why not just unleash Hunter?
Speaker 8: And can't keep punishing him that.
Speaker 3: I was gonna point to that.
Speaker 8: I No, I agree, that's im. You can't keep punishing
Speaker 8: him for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he was in the dock hats but for
Speaker 6: for a minute, Well you did jack.
Speaker 2: The head coach that had him in the doghouse from
Speaker 2: that is no longer here.
Speaker 3: So let's see if the new head coach.
Speaker 4: Who has something that gives coaches PTSD it truly does.
Speaker 3: Like I understand, it was one mistake. Everybody's over a second.
Speaker 2: I agree understand the the damage, the psychological damage that
Speaker 2: doesn't coaches like it's embedded in their head, like that
Speaker 2: is the one thing that they're like, h no, on
Speaker 2: the one did get that.
Speaker 3: Really lose the game? Or yes? Or was it listening
Speaker 3: not taking the right angle? That too.
Speaker 6: He's not on the team anymore either, Bro, He's been
Speaker 6: on some He put on some weight too.
Speaker 2: So all I'm saying is it's interesting to see because
Speaker 2: all of us, we all love what Hunter Lipkey brings
Speaker 2: to the table, his skill set, his flexibility, versatility even
Speaker 2: as a weapon out of the backfield at times. But
Speaker 2: it's not translated yet. Let's see if it starts to
Speaker 2: translate with Shahamer.
Speaker 6: And will Schottenheimer commit to having a full back full
Speaker 6: time because he doesn't have to teams and a lot
Speaker 6: of times.
Speaker 3: Don't you he's been a part of don't you say that?
Speaker 3: See where they they.
Speaker 4: Haven't done it quick before? Before we go to break
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Speaker 6: Let's talk about it on the other side of the
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Speaker 6: To talking Cowboys back, I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Back again.
Speaker 7: That wasn't the Mic Patrick, No s Walker. We've got
Speaker 7: Josh Roderiguez. We've got Isaiah's him back.
Speaker 6: So like Pops, I got caught off guard the cartoons
Speaker 6: on the toilet. That's not the way I want to
Speaker 6: start by morning, All right? Linebacker conversation, gentlemen. Linebackers added
Speaker 6: in the off season, guys like Jack Sanborn, Kenneth Murray, Uh,
Speaker 6: the departure of Eric Kendricks, the innovailable or the inavailability
Speaker 6: unavailability of of a guy named the Marvi and overshown.
Speaker 6: It's kind of shaken up linebacker as a whole. The
Speaker 6: schamar James and what he's brought from a rookie standpoint
Speaker 6: has been exciting to see. Do you feel better about
Speaker 6: linebacker right now than you did going, let's say, into
Speaker 6: free agency? Do you feel better about what it feels
Speaker 6: like at linebacker and do you feel like you can
Speaker 6: see this group surviving through the course of the season.
Speaker 9: I feel much better about linebacker at this point, especially
Speaker 9: when you have a Marvin Overstown potentially possibly maybe might
Speaker 9: come back during the season, he says by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 8: But well, I don't know.
Speaker 7: We'll see, he said, I'm going to be active in
Speaker 7: that game.
Speaker 3: It's what he tweeted. Oh no, I've learned not to
Speaker 3: doubt that young man.
Speaker 9: No, no, not at all. And I'm not even saying that.
Speaker 9: I just mean, like, we don't do not know, We
Speaker 9: don't know. We will find out during the season, hopefully.
Speaker 9: My thing is, I'm surprised to see a guy like
Speaker 9: Jack Sanborn, who I think is wearing the green dot
Speaker 9: out there taking first snaps, and then Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 8: I like his athletic ability.
Speaker 9: I'm surprised Kenneth Murray is not getting the nod over
Speaker 9: Jack Sanborn right now. But then again, it is really early.
Speaker 3: It is Ota had this conversation.
Speaker 2: We had this conversation. He said, it would be Samborne
Speaker 2: and you you.
Speaker 9: Were edging toward Jack Sanborn over Kenneth Murray, like early
Speaker 9: on when we were talking about it. And I think
Speaker 9: for all of us. It was sort of like a oh, yeah,
Speaker 9: Kenneth Murray, he has more of the pedigree, but in
Speaker 9: this defense, it might be Jack Sanbourne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe it'll be Jack Samborne, just as
Speaker 2: I believed when we had the conversation.
Speaker 8: It's still early.
Speaker 2: It is still early, and we'll see how it shakes out.
Speaker 2: Training camp will tell the hotel. But when you talk
Speaker 2: about comfort level with Eberflus, Jack Sanborne has that prepackaged.
Speaker 2: So for nothing else, that's going to be the starting
Speaker 2: point for why I believe that Jack Sanborne was going
Speaker 2: to take the lead there, and thus far he is
Speaker 2: taking the lead. Now, can Kenneth Murray, you know, supersede
Speaker 2: him by the time preseason is over? Absolutely he can.
Speaker 2: Keneth Murray has a very versatile skill set.
Speaker 3: He's a big guy.
Speaker 2: He can hit, he can cover sideline, the side line,
Speaker 2: he can operate in blitz packages. I would like to
Speaker 2: see his coverage improved, but it's not poor.
Speaker 8: He's closer in trades to de Marvin Overshaw.
Speaker 2: Agreed, which is why you would expect to see him
Speaker 2: in good chunks of defensive snap counts going forward. But
Speaker 2: to answer the question, I'm right there with Josh I,
Speaker 2: how can you not feel better about where they aren't
Speaker 2: linebacker versus where they were standing ahead of free agency,
Speaker 2: Because ahead of free agency, first and foremost, you had nothing.
Speaker 2: Basically you had Marist, you had Merist, and you still
Speaker 2: still don't know what Dabone Clark's going to give you.
Speaker 2: So we're going to circle back. So you had Merist
Speaker 2: because you don't know when the Marion Overshowan will be ready.
Speaker 2: He's telling us, and he told me a few weeks
Speaker 2: ago during the Jersey change announcement to the number zero.
Speaker 2: So shouts out to agent zero. He told me that
Speaker 2: he would be on the field before the season is over.
Speaker 2: But again, this is a medical situation.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 2: We can hope that that's the case. So you look
Speaker 2: at the stable hand only being Marist Leafoul. Now you
Speaker 2: fast forward to now and they've made the trade for
Speaker 2: Kenneth Murray, they've signed sample In a free agency you
Speaker 2: go and you you get guys like Shamar James, you
Speaker 2: got Shavon Revel. Justin Barron comes in looking like a prototype, right,
Speaker 2: what can that young man do? So if you look
Speaker 2: at the talent, yes, it's there's a lot of raw
Speaker 2: talent needs to be polished, needs to be refined. But
Speaker 2: then add that to the category of what is it
Speaker 2: that Matt Eberflus excels in?
Speaker 3: What position does Hee excel with? Again? Linebakers? Linebackers? Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah, feel good? Feel detackle?
Speaker 2: Well I should say feel better. I feel better. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say I feel good yet.
Speaker 3: So let me let me what would it take for
Speaker 3: you to feel good?
Speaker 2: I gotta see him, I got I gotta see him
Speaker 2: in training camp. I got to see these young guys
Speaker 2: in preseason. I gotta yeah, I gotta see them on film.
Speaker 2: And honestly, that might take, you know, until week three
Speaker 2: before I can tell you if I feel good. But
Speaker 2: I do feel better than I did before free agency.
Speaker 9: I'm with you there, And at least for me training camp,
Speaker 9: it's so hard to actually grade linebacker play like I
Speaker 9: just I can't do it.
Speaker 8: On a slip.
Speaker 9: Frankly, I'm you're seeing him out there and they're in
Speaker 9: the right positions, but you don't know if that that
Speaker 9: is a tackle or not, you know, And and at
Speaker 9: least for me my first camp, I was like, how
Speaker 9: do you how are we like I would think I
Speaker 9: was asking Kyle or I was asking somebody like, exactly
Speaker 9: how are we grading linebackers?
Speaker 7: Because I just think it was you and I had
Speaker 7: that conversation.
Speaker 6: We were standing on the side of the fence and
Speaker 6: basically I'm like, you can't can't talk about physicality.
Speaker 8: Because I was just like, I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 8: what are we doing?
Speaker 7: But you got to look at where they're going to
Speaker 7: be and if they're making the right.
Speaker 2: Read Eric Kendrick Witness told the show at linebacker training camping.
Speaker 6: Malea foul, I thought the same thing. The way he
Speaker 6: was able to demo, the way that they in their
Speaker 6: first camps were able to explode to the football and.
Speaker 3: Be there knifing through and getting through pressure, things like that.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of ways you can, Like
Speaker 6: you said, there's ways that you can evaluate and there
Speaker 6: are other ways where you're just playing in simple can't
Speaker 6: even Brian Schottenheimer talking about running backs in a similar light,
Speaker 6: he said, it's hard to really evaluate running backs while
Speaker 6: they're wearing shorts.
Speaker 3: You just you can't. You can't really see it a
Speaker 3: whole lot.
Speaker 6: But you can see the vision, you can see their explosiveness,
Speaker 6: But are you going to break a tackle? Are you
Speaker 6: gonna get around that guy? And are you gonna make
Speaker 6: on the opposite side? Exactly the same thing as linebackers.
Speaker 6: So it is interesting to kind of feel that out
Speaker 6: as the season goes on, especially when they're not even
Speaker 6: in pads yet and they're just wearing shells and helmets
Speaker 6: and that's all they've got out there.
Speaker 9: And I I think you don't really know until camp
Speaker 9: or sorry Preseseason, Yeah, I think that's when you find
Speaker 9: an answer to like, Okay, who's actually your guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: What do you think about the linebacker corps as a whole?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta see him, you know me, I gotta
Speaker 4: do to eye tests. I mean, obviously they've got some names,
Speaker 4: some guys that come in, Yeah, exactly, Pops.
Speaker 3: I think there's some guys.
Speaker 4: That are looking for opportunities that are currently on the roster,
Speaker 4: and I think there's some some veterans that have come
Speaker 4: into the room that that's gonna come obviously with some
Speaker 4: accolades that some of the younger guys may not already have,
Speaker 4: And it's going to be one heck of a competition.
Speaker 3: Those preseason games are.
Speaker 4: Going to matter more than huge than you could ever
Speaker 4: imagine for that for that particular position group.
Speaker 6: I want to kind of transition a little bit of here.
Speaker 6: This is a conversation that was brought up on one
Speaker 6: of the other podcasts. I'll let Josh kind of lead
Speaker 6: this a little bit.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 6: Top thirty two wide receiver rankings. This was released by
Speaker 6: Pro Football Focus. I'm interested to see. I haven't looked
Speaker 6: at the list. Isaiah's not looked at the list, as
Speaker 6: far as I'm concerned. Pat's not looked at the list.
Speaker 6: So we're seeing this blind for the first time. Right,
Speaker 6: top thirty two wide receivers in football going into training camp?
Speaker 6: Where do you feel like our guys rank? And you
Speaker 6: want to ask that question first, Well, there are tiers
Speaker 6: in this list. Let me let me put that on.
Speaker 2: The tears, or there are tiers of there were probably both,
Speaker 2: probably some tiers.
Speaker 8: But there are six tiers. So consider that in your ranking.
Speaker 7: Is it divided by what it's They're all.
Speaker 8: Kind of different.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, there's no exact number two each tear, But
Speaker 9: just consider that, where would you guys place ceed Lamb
Speaker 9: in the top thirty two of NFL wide receivers according
Speaker 9: to Pro Football Focus?
Speaker 3: Where would I.
Speaker 2: For me, he's he's right there with Jamar Chase, He's
Speaker 2: right there with Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 3: Top three for me, he's.
Speaker 8: In the second.
Speaker 3: I'll put him at six. I put him at like
Speaker 3: seven or eight.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right there he is at number six six, Yeah,
Speaker 9: all right above him.
Speaker 8: Pookin Nikoua at number five.
Speaker 7: Pat Okay. Who are the guys that are in front
Speaker 7: of him?
Speaker 8: Yeah, above him? Pookin nkuat number five.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, I would put Lamb above him.
Speaker 9: An I'm on rossat and Brown torot Lions. That's fair
Speaker 9: number four, Jamar Chase number three, I'd argue against it.
Speaker 9: Justin Jefferson number two, yeah, yes, and yes A J.
Speaker 8: Brown number one.
Speaker 6: As much as I hate that, it's probably fair number one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, number one. On AJ Brown.
Speaker 2: They're saying AJ Brown is better than Justin Jefferson. That's
Speaker 2: not and Jamar Chase, Yes, throw the whole list away.
Speaker 2: This is awful, throw it away?
Speaker 3: Serious? Isaya thought fired into the sun?
Speaker 2: Yeah that I'm I don't have a problem with CD
Speaker 2: being S six, But yes, the top.
Speaker 4: Three AJ I can see top five, yeah, but no
Speaker 4: on Yeah, but number number.
Speaker 8: One is crazy, that's wild. Justin Jefferson number one.
Speaker 7: So I already hate this list, but let's.
Speaker 8: Get where did you guys play? George Pickens on the
Speaker 8: thirty two.
Speaker 3: Not thirty two.
Speaker 6: I think he's in the top thirty two.
Speaker 3: I don't. I do think he's in the top thirty two.
Speaker 6: I put him at like twenty three, twenty four, top twenty,
Speaker 6: top twenty.
Speaker 3: That's that's you're crazy. Let me tell you about this,
Speaker 3: this national champion out of Georgia.
Speaker 8: You're crazy, all right, right, all right?
Speaker 9: Oh, of the thirty two top NFL wide receivers recording
Speaker 9: of Pro Football Focus, George Pickens is not on a list.
Speaker 8: I think that's not on the list.
Speaker 3: I think that's why. Don't you think it's harsh? I
Speaker 3: don't think.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously he hasn't had a consistent QB play, so
Speaker 4: regardless of future abilities are you can't put out your
Speaker 4: production if you don't have consistency at that position, so
Speaker 4: you're tied to the production of the quarterback.
Speaker 6: That's where I would argue he should be in the
Speaker 6: top thirty two because even with inconsistent QB plays, he
Speaker 6: still managed to produce. He still managed to be a
Speaker 6: top ten player in terms of yards per catch on average.
Speaker 6: So why because he hasn't finished lower than seventh in
Speaker 6: that category in the three years throughout his career, when,
Speaker 6: of course, in twenty twenty three when he had his
Speaker 6: breakout year, that was a completely different type of player,
Speaker 6: when he had a little bit of consistency QP.
Speaker 9: Wise, I think it's fair to say though, it's the output,
Speaker 9: and you know you're looking at Pro Football Focus, who
Speaker 9: is taking in that into account the statistics that are there,
Speaker 9: And he hasn't had consistent quarterback play, So I totally understand.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and if you look at what the Eagles have
Speaker 8: done to tistically, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, so far my problem with with Pickings not being
Speaker 2: on the top thirty two list.
Speaker 8: Is who else is not?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I figured I figured there would be one or two
Speaker 2: names when I because I went to the list.
Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at and I'm like, you've got to
Speaker 3: be kidding me. Okay, So start from thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: from thirty.
Speaker 2: Two, Okay, So at thirty two they have Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: with the Detroit Lions, Courtland Sutton thirty one, right, who
Speaker 2: that was one who was speculated that the Cowboys might
Speaker 2: have been interesting before they make a trade for the
Speaker 2: pickings for pickings.
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel, No, no, no, not this version.
Speaker 8: Now that's for name recognition a lot, because.
Speaker 2: This version of now Samuel not at all Josh Downs No, no, okay.
Speaker 2: And here's where really I started to get pissed. Though
Speaker 2: she Rice, Now it's better than George Pickens.
Speaker 8: No not right now?
Speaker 2: No always said, was he ever? No to be fair,
Speaker 2: had a twenty three yeap injured twenty four? Fine, but
Speaker 2: if you look at skill set and consistency of productivity,
Speaker 2: and consistency or productivity with a carousel of poor quarterback
Speaker 2: play versus you got Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Okay, that guy's pretty good.
Speaker 2: So and it goes from there, and and then you
Speaker 2: could start to argue, right because then you got JSJ
Speaker 2: with Seattle. Now it becomes arguable, Marvin Harrison Junior becomes
Speaker 2: it becomes it becomes arguable. But so I feel like
Speaker 2: the justifiable argument, did can George Pickens climb into the
Speaker 2: top twenty seven or twenty six on this list? But
Speaker 2: having him out of the top thirty two when I'm
Speaker 2: dropping names like Rice and this version of Deebo sam
Speaker 2: You'll get fired.
Speaker 3: This list into the Sun Well and Rashi.
Speaker 6: Rice missed a lot of last year too. He missed
Speaker 6: a ton of time due to injury, due to off
Speaker 6: the field stuff.
Speaker 7: There was there was a lot going on with Ryan
Speaker 7: last year.
Speaker 6: He's whereas if you're gonna hold that against Pickens and
Speaker 6: the fact that they had nine hundred dollars last year,
Speaker 6: then why is he not on the list?
Speaker 4: And right now, I just think if you put them
Speaker 4: side by side and you had a choice as to, hey,
Speaker 4: which one do you would you place on your roster
Speaker 4: or which one would you start your receiving roster with,
Speaker 4: I think you're probably going with Rice. No disrespect to Picking,
Speaker 4: that's sure. Yeah, I mean he's just I think he's
Speaker 4: a personally, I believe he's a more versatile receiver. I'm
Speaker 4: looking at terms of offerings at this list. Zay Flowers
Speaker 4: twenty five, Marvin Harrison Junior twenty six, Jackson Smith and
Speaker 4: jig But twenty seven.
Speaker 6: That's right around where I right there, pick I think
Speaker 6: I would put it rafter.
Speaker 2: That's that's when you start having the argument about Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: but to not having him in the top thirty two
Speaker 2: is egregious.
Speaker 3: As far as this Brown at number one.
Speaker 2: And this is me objectively speaking, not because aj is
Speaker 2: wearing an Eagles uniform, but he is not better than Justin.
Speaker 3: It doesn't help our chase. I mean it doesn't help.
Speaker 9: But deego, Samuel on this list is offensive. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 9: I don't see it this version.
Speaker 6: If this was twenty twenty, I think he's a better option.
Speaker 2: I think you don't even know what you get when
Speaker 2: he gets packed.
Speaker 3: Hey, you don't where he's going. He's not. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's on this lish Is that nineteen? Is he? Yep?
Speaker 8: But yeah, I like good player though he's a player.
Speaker 7: I like Brandon Aik said every team has a number
Speaker 7: one nineteen.
Speaker 8: That tier five through twenty nine.
Speaker 4: I think I'm not because by by saying that, George
Speaker 4: and again listen, I haven't watched him since he's been here.
Speaker 4: By saying he's he's he's uh, he's in the top
Speaker 4: thirty two, you're saying that he's better than another team's
Speaker 4: number one.
Speaker 3: That's the statement.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there are a couple of teams that have
Speaker 6: right Lions at Oh yeah, there's none of that to multiple.
Speaker 3: Lions, multiple Eagles, multiple.
Speaker 6: Rams, Nikua and Adam Adams, multiple Commanders, McLaurin and Samuel.
Speaker 3: They put Terry McLaurin at.
Speaker 2: Ten deebo is on this list. Terry, this version of
Speaker 2: debo is on this list.
Speaker 8: Not the debo of Bold Yeah, not Friday Debo.
Speaker 2: Not Friday Debo, not as scared of the debo that
Speaker 2: got Whoop Buck Craig multiple Dolph.
Speaker 3: Down. All right, I steal, I don't kill.
Speaker 6: We will have more O TA news as the week
Speaker 6: goes along, and then we've got more practices going into
Speaker 6: next week as well. Uh, Cowboys OTA practices tomorrow is
Speaker 6: what's open to the media, and then next Tuesday right
Speaker 6: after talking cowboys as well.
Speaker 7: So well, we'll talk.
Speaker 6: About it when we get to that point in time.
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Speaker 6: I'll have some stuff along with Tommy Yarish on the
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Speaker 3: Next week?
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