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Speaker 1: Hey, this is a Colts over Time podcast recapping the

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Speaker 1: first round of the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. I'm Matt Taylor on the Colts

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Speaker 1: Audio Network Colts dot com. Rick Venturi is along as well,

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Speaker 1: and we are hitting the record button on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Rick at eleven fifty four on Thursday night, the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft Round number one just concluded. We just got done

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Speaker 1: doing our radio updates inside the Colts Radio studio. So

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Speaker 1: take another a shot of coffee and whenever you got

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Speaker 1: over there in that cup and let's talk draft for

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Speaker 1: another ten twelve minutes. Here. You up for it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've kept me up so far past my bedtime.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We can go right to quote point.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we are going to be at Kill

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Speaker 1: Royce tomorrow. Good plug, you you push the envelope there. No,

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Speaker 1: you know what I thought, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: action because a lot of crazy trading. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: this wide receiver thing has just been absolutely nuts, you know,

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Speaker 1: think that there's anything that I expected to be on

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Speaker 1: the board that isn't there for tomorrow. Now we still,

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Speaker 1: I all, I thought they were going to be gone.

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Speaker 1: We weren't. We weren't that big on an edge dresher.

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Speaker 1: We just got a fifty five sack guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you know, became wide receiver. You know, the left

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Speaker 1: we did lose one possibility there and again the rest

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Speaker 1: you know, I know that they're always willing to go down.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big go down guy. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: trade back guy, but I mean, you know, you do

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Speaker 1: what you do. I just think that anytime that you

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Speaker 1: that effect exponentially. Myself and again to me, the why

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Speaker 1: to me, as much as we've done well, we've we've

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Speaker 1: And you know, if Raymond doesn't sit there at forty two,

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Speaker 1: to the top of the draft, which seems like forever

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Speaker 1: ago as we tape this. After the first round concluded. Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: They gained economically to Night, there's no doubt about that,

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Speaker 1: they won the salary. If they won the salary cap deal,

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