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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: What up, y'all, it's unpaid bill Fromquest Love Supreme. As

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Speaker 2: you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating black

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Speaker 2: music model by releasing an episode every day. So every

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Speaker 2: day you added here especially picked QLs Classic, and on

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Speaker 2: Wednesdays we are dropping new two part episodes with Wayne

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Speaker 2: Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both of which were

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Speaker 2: filmed in studio. Black music is deeply important to me

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Speaker 2: and has been an influence throughout my entire career.

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Speaker 3: It's also something to celebrated here at QLs.

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Speaker 2: Back in twenty seventeen, we had Donnie Simpson on QLs,

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Speaker 2: the Radio Hall of Fame inductee, spoke about his journey,

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Speaker 2: his impact, and cultivating a personality that emphasized the power

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Speaker 2: of broadcasting. We are so glad you're tuning in.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Supremo, Sun Supremo Row, Suprema Sun Supreme O, Row called

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Speaker 4: Suprema something something, Supremo roll call some Prema.

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Speaker 3: Some some Supreme roll.

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Speaker 5: Cool Quest Yeah, Yeah, I Got soul, Yeah, Donnie Simpson

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Speaker 5: Cool Yeah, Life Goals.

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Speaker 4: Cora something Supremo, roll called Suprema something something Supremo roll.

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Speaker 3: My name is Fante, Yeah, rocking your world.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when my hair gets dry, Yeah, I use Donny's

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Speaker 6: Supercurl roll.

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Speaker 7: Supremo roll Come, Supremath something Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 3: My name is Sugar Yeah like Sugar Ray. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: great to be here with a real DJ. Suprema Son

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Speaker 3: something Supremo roll paid Bill. Yeah, I ain't got no problems. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Out out to North Korea and Dennis Rodmin.

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Speaker 7: Pray Son Supprame A roll call Supreme Son Son Supreme.

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Speaker 3: Roll is here. Yeah, not far from Mars. Yeah, shot

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Speaker 3: for the Moon. Yeah, still among the stars.

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Speaker 4: Roll call, Pray something Supreme A roll call suprameer some

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Speaker 4: something Suprame roll.

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Speaker 8: It's like and damn it, I'm hip. Yeah, Simpson in

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Speaker 8: the place.

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Speaker 9: Something something up. Roll call. My name is Donnie.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: They called me green Eyes.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: If I could finish this rap, yeah that would be

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Speaker 9: a surprise.

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Speaker 7: So Pray s Sun Up Brave A roll call, so

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Speaker 7: Pray sup Prame A roll call Supramo, roll Suppramo Son

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Speaker 7: so Supreme.

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Speaker 5: People out, So you quite audible with telling you you're

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Speaker 5: gonna say Donnie Simpsons year right.

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Speaker 8: I'm not said written down?

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Speaker 3: Okay, run anyway.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, chuss Love.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We have teams Supreme with us. Uh like you in

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Speaker 3: the place sees love in the house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Quest Love is always in the house. Sugar Steve

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Speaker 5: is here. We got fun take alo uh unpaid Bill?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be back.

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Speaker 5: You've been so quiet that last few and I'm so

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Speaker 5: glad that you're here.

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Speaker 3: And bost Bill's here as well.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I will say that every culture UH needs a pioneer,

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Speaker 3: and our guest today is beyond pioneer. For thirty years his.

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Speaker 5: Morning show and WPGC the Doninice Simpson Morning Shows trail

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Speaker 5: Blazed and dumb wonders for the culture of soul and

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Speaker 5: R and B. And I guess you could say that

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Speaker 5: he's attained god status in the eyes of all of

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Speaker 5: us in this room for seventeen years as the host

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Speaker 5: of Ola La Video Soul norn BT, which practically gave

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Speaker 5: the world its first view of artists like Whitney, Houston

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Speaker 5: and Usher. You've done in depth conversations with greats like

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Speaker 3: Jesse Johnson, Yes, Jesse.

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Speaker 5: I mean the time, the list goes on and on,

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Speaker 5: and he's just known for his his his grace, his

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Speaker 3: That actually had knowledge of the music. And yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: That's that's a novel that's sadly missed right now. But

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Speaker 5: more than anything, this this episode will probably be a

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Speaker 5: masterclass on how to host.

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Speaker 3: Such so you can use Yeah, it would sound like

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Speaker 3: an amateur my favorite. Please welcome Dottie Simpson to ourself.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, well, thank you, thank you, quest love appreciate

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Speaker 9: you bro.

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Speaker 3: Yo, he just said name.

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Speaker 5: Of of all the episodes, this is probably the one

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Speaker 5: that I will be the most nervous because I mean,

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Speaker 5: I we all grew up with his voice and always

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Speaker 5: a Managine the day that we have an opportunity. I

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Speaker 5: never thought that my first time sitting with Donnie Simpson

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm honored to be here man, I really am.

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Speaker 9: This is awesome. Man. I'm a big fan of yours.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 5: I yeah, I know it sounds like false honesty whenever

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Speaker 5: I say like, I can't believe you.

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Speaker 3: Know I'm alive, But I mean that's really.

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Speaker 9: Oh for really man, mad respect for you, Thank you,

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Speaker 9: thank you, thank you, and a lot of people in

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Speaker 9: this room, not all of them, but a lot of

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Speaker 9: sorry that.

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Speaker 3: He shut you down.

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Speaker 5: So you're you're actually I know that we're lucky to

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Speaker 9: Well I'm not actually inducting them. I'm just there, sport, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: just there in support.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I know that no one is a bigger fan

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Speaker 5: of Jimmy dam and Terry Lewis and the Time Family been.

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Speaker 9: Oh no doubt you are.

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Speaker 3: Even to this day. I still watch your interviews on

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Speaker 9: And yeah, man, and those are my toughest interviews too.

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Speaker 9: It's funny because yeah, because they were we were boys.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're so close. So my toughest interview you

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Speaker 9: You know, you got to ask questions, and they're like,

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Speaker 9: well you're asking me that. You know that, But it's

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Speaker 5: It's like those are your especially when you when you

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Speaker 5: did the I think the Pandemonium interview back in like

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Speaker 3: One, yeah time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like that was the first time where you know,

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Speaker 9: That's yeah, that's right, the Pandemonium malvel Wow, that's right. Well,

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Speaker 9: you know, that's very flattering to say that. And I

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Speaker 9: remember when they got their starring the Hollywood Walk of Fame,

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Speaker 9: they said, man, all day long, all we kept saying

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Speaker 9: just you know what an honor. I mean, it wasn't me,

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Speaker 9: it was Billy Preston, but no, but you know, we

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Speaker 9: we are We're just friends like that. That that day

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Speaker 9: Pandemonia malvel So I'm sitting there and the intro comes on,

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Speaker 9: How they got me to do this introduction that I

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Speaker 9: didn't record. And what happened was that they had lifted

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Speaker 9: I went to present them, just to introduce them at

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Speaker 9: for the album. Man, I just it was just what

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Speaker 5: That's right, because they briefly when Mars did fish Nets.

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Speaker 5: Were you actually introducing them back in eighty seven as

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Speaker 9: Wow in eighty Yeah, that was a full unit. Then, yeah,

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Speaker 9: that was the time that was everybody before Fishnet. As

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Speaker 9: think we introduced that then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

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Speaker 6: There's a video on YouTube of you and the studio

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Speaker 9: Forty five yep, forty five and big was the household?

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Speaker 9: Oh it was six kids. I had a five boys,

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Speaker 9: We had two bedroom house. Mom and dad had a bedroom,

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Speaker 9: but you know, but my mother decided to open a

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Speaker 9: what do you think this is going to do? I said,

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Speaker 9: you know, I think it'll go number one R and B,

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Speaker 9: But I could see you coming across the street to

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Speaker 9: it all the time record with that. It was really good,

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Speaker 9: So I grew up under Motown? Said wow, so don't

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Speaker 9: My voice changed between the summer between seventh and eighth grade.

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Speaker 5: So did you have formal training when you finally started

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Speaker 3: We're going to put you to the test on that back. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: He says, So, Donnie, how come you always talk like

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Speaker 9: you know, it's like a backhand in tennis. You got

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Speaker 9: that is the way you talk, and that you can

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Speaker 3: You know. Have you ever interviewed Barry White?

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Oh my god, I love Barry.

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Speaker 5: Anybody ever seen interview Barry White will suddenly find themselves

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Speaker 9: No, man, I love my little boys too much. I'm

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Speaker 9: trying to get down there with beer.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So this is whenever, whenever we have anyone that has

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Speaker 3: Don't even want to.

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Speaker 9: He'll know he just ang hit it.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Now see, now I got to pick this the perfect

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Speaker 8: But longs are easy, just so they're easier.

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Speaker 5: But if it's very wide extasy next, that's a one

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Speaker 9: Papa was rolling Stone's to sixteen, so Jock worked for

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Speaker 3: Like, man, So wait a minute.

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Speaker 5: If if there is long space in the front, are

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Speaker 9: I don't think so. Well. You know that's interesting because

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 9: But to me, I love music so much that sometimes

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Speaker 9: Barry White and the Love and the Orchestra. No, I mean,

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Speaker 9: you know, some of the music is so beautiful. It's

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Speaker 9: you know, it has a moment where it's the intro

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, are you ready for your I think so listen,

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Speaker 9: Oh it's magic onetle two point three. You're listening to

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Speaker 9: Dottie Simpson hanging out with Questlove. Weve got my boys

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Speaker 9: Let's gonna get hot in here not hot enough norse

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Speaker 3: So does this also mean that you have to study

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Speaker 3: Definitely?

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Speaker 9: It's just appreciating it. I know it because I love it.

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Speaker 9: No, I've never studied songs. You thought, Wow, sit there

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Speaker 3: My songs usually have like a four bar eight bar

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Speaker 11: Okay, all right, I see if you write it too,

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Speaker 3: Oh man, you wanted to make sure. So I will

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Speaker 5: A very unusual town as far as music culture is concerned,

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Speaker 9: I used to play, used to it was all kinds

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Speaker 9: Right. I don't. I can't. I wish I could tell

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Speaker 9: Without doubt, the biggest moment in my radio career was

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Speaker 9: sitting around with my boy, man, he's turning me on

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Speaker 9: to Elton, right, And so I kept this went on

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Speaker 11: Man.

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Speaker 9: it before or since. It was so instant. The next morning,

443
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 9: the morning DJ calls me at home, wakes me up

444
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 9: at seven thirty, Donnie, what is this song you played

445
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 9: last night, Jitny and the Nets or something. Man, you

446
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 9: got to bring that down here. We got to play

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 9: it so fast that in two days Elton was on

448
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 9: the phone really from London called wanted to know what's

449
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 9: going on here. Benny and the Jets is breaking black

450
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 9: in Detroit.

451
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: You know.

452
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 9: He comes to Detroit four or five months later to

453
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 9: present me with a gold record for I mean, and

454
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 9: this is at the height of his career. Man, this

455
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 9: is you know, man, that just turned me out. Man.

456
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 9: It was just it was amazing. Man, It was just

457
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 9: an amazing moment. And always use it, especially now when

458
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 9: I tell that story. It's important because it saddens me

459
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 9: that there are young people in radio now with good

460
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 9: ears that can't express themselves musically. You know, sad to me, man,

461
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 9: you should be able to have a moment like that

462
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 9: to come in. I mean, DJ, I'm supposed to be

463
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 9: turning you on the music so it is understood.

464
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 11: And then whatever radio station you go to that you

465
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 11: have that some kind of freedom in that way where

466
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 11: you can play what you you.

467
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: Can take out in that way.

468
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 8: Okay, you have freedom to play whatever.

469
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 11: Absolutely, that's care because that's amazing because it's.

470
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 5: The programming director that was ringing the emergency line. Like

471
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 5: I'm certain every radio station has that, the red phone.

472
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: Whatever they do.

473
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 9: Man, bro, you can get me starting.

474
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: Are you playing Princess Dirty? Like I'm just saying like.

475
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 9: They don't they know not to bother me with that.

476
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 9: I mean, I just you know, And I don't mean

477
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 9: that to sound vain. I think that I just you know,

478
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 9: they know that that's the only way I can work.

479
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 9: I'm not going to do this if you're going to

480
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 9: tell me how to do me, I can only do

481
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 9: me and uh and if it works. I told in

482
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 9: a negotiation for this return of mine. I said, Look,

483
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 9: it got caught up in a while, and I just

484
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 9: finally said, look, let's make it real simple. I do

485
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 9: what I do. If it doesn't work, you tell me,

486
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 9: I take my records and go home. You don't have

487
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 9: to boun the rest of the contract. Nothing. I'm just gone,

488
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 9: all right, Oh, I mean, you know, I just I

489
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 9: have to have that kind of freedom.

490
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: Man.

491
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 9: You know, I'm a look out the window kind of guy. Man,

492
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 9: how does the day feel? You know, because it's a

493
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 9: spirit that connects us all man. A computer can't do that.

494
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 9: You can't tell me that this song works today, this

495
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 9: day feels a certain way. I used to get it

496
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 9: when I did the Morning show Man once an hour,

497
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 9: I would get out and walk around the building just

498
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 9: to smell it. I need to smell the day, you know.

499
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 9: And I know it may sound strange to people, you know,

500
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 9: and you gotta have that to me, you know. And

501
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 9: as far as like calling jocks, you know, I programmed

502
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 9: WKYS in Washington for twelve years. I mean, and you

503
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 9: talk about a meteoric rise, I mean, and I didn't

504
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 9: even I kind of bumped into it. I wasn't trying

505
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 9: to program. I never wanted to program. I just wanted

506
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 9: to be a jock. But station was in sixteenth place.

507
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 9: We were losing so badly, and they said, what's wrong

508
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 9: with the station? I told him what I felt about it.

509
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 9: I said, well will you do that?

510
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: Wow?

511
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I mean I felt like I can at

512
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 9: least do better than sixteenth. Man, we went from sixteenth

513
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 9: to number one and nine months, you know, and it

514
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 9: was just with feel, you know. I you know, I

515
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 9: don't have anything against research. Research is cool as long

516
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 9: as you use it. Don't let it use you. You know,

517
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 9: It's just another tool if you want to use it.

518
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 9: But I remember this programmer coming to me once had

519
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 9: done this big research project, payed like sixty five gram

520
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 9: to research all these songs, and he came to me

521
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 9: and he said, man, can do you know what the

522
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 9: number one song tested for us was? Said Marvin Gay,

523
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 9: Let's get it on. How did you know that? I

524
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 9: was like, I'm a brother, I live, this dog ain't

525
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 9: on safari, you know. So, but you know, when I

526
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 9: was programming, I wanted to just bring this up to

527
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 9: because it's you know, and and I certainly don't mean

528
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 9: to come off like I'm like chastising programmers. But you

529
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 9: know when I programmed Man Hotline hot you would it

530
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 9: would never ring. I never once called one of my

531
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 9: jocks during the middle of his show to tell him

532
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 9: something was that was bad. Hell, I know you know what,

533
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 9: you know what you did it. You know it's bad

534
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 9: more than I do. Why would I call you at

535
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 9: that moment? Sacrifice the last two hours of your show

536
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 9: for the first two that just and and then bigger

537
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 9: than that is that. What happens is that then you

538
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 9: start talking to me because you're afraid of me. You're

539
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 9: to that phone ringing. I don't want you talking to me.

540
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 9: I ain't got nothing to do with this. Talk to

541
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 9: the audience. Man, This is about y'all. You know that's

542
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 9: and I gave my jocks freedom, you know, I just

543
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 9: I'm old school like that. Man, bring your records, man,

544
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 9: do you think you know? Just express You'll be amazed

545
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 9: at the performance you get from people when you entrust them,

546
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 9: when you let them do what they do, when their

547
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 9: name is on it instead of just them representing you.

548
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: It's like you hired them for a reason.

549
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 9: That's what you hired them for, right.

550
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 11: Let them go, man, because this way of thought is

551
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 11: not very prevalent right now, have you ever I mean,

552
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 11: I know it's another burden, but have you ever considered ownership?

553
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 9: Yeah? I used to think about it. We had looked

554
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 9: at it a long time ago, and god, radio stations

555
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 9: had gotten so expensive then it was just kind of crazy.

556
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 9: But you know, I don't know that it's a business

557
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 9: that I would be that interested in now.

558
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: You know.

559
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 9: It's uh, you know, the dollars have dried up to

560
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 9: great degree, as you know, I mean with everything that

561
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 9: is that advertising based model, radio, television, print, those dollars

562
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 9: have gone to the internet, you know. So it's a

563
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 9: different day, you know, and radio and TV are lucky

564
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 9: most of them are just suffering pay cuts, print shutting

565
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 9: their doors, you know. I mean it's a different day.

566
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 9: So you know, No, I don't have that level of

567
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 9: interest in it now.

568
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 5: No, speaking of the uh you're breaking Elton John and

569
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 5: bending the jets. What were some of the other notable

570
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: artists that you had a first thing like, I feel

571
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: like this person's the next one.

572
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 9: Well, I had a I have a gold record at

573
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 9: home that says thank you for being the first to

574
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 9: play Whitney Houston. You give good lack.

575
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: I literally only pulled that out there.

576
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 9: Oh I thought you knew that.

577
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 5: No, I was just I was like, oh, I know

578
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 5: you gave Whitney Houston what I saw her very when

579
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 5: she first came to Video Soul.

580
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that interview.

581
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 9: But remember Shade first interview with Shade, her first interview

582
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 9: I think I know in America, if not on television period,

583
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 9: was with me. You know, So you know I you know,

584
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 9: I certainly don't want to sound like I started all

585
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 9: of these careers.

586
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: This is why you're here. This is a masterclass.

587
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 14: Seriously, there's a lot of artists that we probably wouldn't

588
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 14: know about if we hadn't seen them on Video Souls.

589
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: You know, you introducing them to us. So you are

590
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: a very important part. Well, you know, it's thank you,

591
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: and you're allowed to seat your own horn.

592
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 9: No, and I wont, but it's it's it's so flat.

593
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 9: I had Big Daddy Kane on my radio show yesterday

594
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 9: and he was telling me. He says, man, I just

595
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 9: want to thank you for the first time I was

596
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 9: on Video Soul. Man, he said, I was so nervous. Man,

597
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 9: I couldn't believe it. But he said, what blew me

598
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 9: away was that I came in there, man, and you

599
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 9: treated me like all the other artists. You treated me

600
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 9: with respect, and I thought it would be just like,

601
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 9: you know, all right, we got this rapper in here.

602
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 9: Let's get the rap thing out.

603
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Of the way, he said.

604
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 9: And it was just so different, you know, which blew

605
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 9: me away that he thought I would treat him, you know,

606
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 9: as I told him on the area yesterday. I said,

607
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 9: kin man, if President Obama walked through this door right

608
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 9: now or the janitor, they're gonna get the same level

609
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 9: of love and respect for me. Believe that, you know so.

610
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 9: But it's always fascinating to me that so many artists

611
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 9: come up to you and tell you what you meant

612
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 9: to their careers.

613
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 11: You know.

614
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 9: I remember going to see New Addition one night. This

615
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 9: is twenty five years ago. No, not new Addition, I'm sorry,

616
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 9: new kids, not that new kids on the block boys.

617
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: Men.

618
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 9: So I go backstage and they go, oh my god,

619
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 9: Donnie's here, look at it. What's the date? April whatever?

620
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 9: One of nineteen eighty seven. They all knew the date.

621
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 9: They came on Video Soul. It was that significant to them,

622
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 9: you know.

623
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: Oh married, don't you week? Acapella? They were the team

624
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: better than me.

625
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: Wait only okay, because I was in the Motown Philly video.

626
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 5: So even me and my parents were like sitting there

627
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: with a VCR open, like like the video is going

628
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: to come on because this is the first time that

629
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: I'm seeing the video, Like, yeah, no, that was And

630
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: we all went to high school together, so that that

631
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: was like a moment like someone from my homeroom classes

632
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 5: that still it was me two thousand and thirty five cents,

633
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 5: thank you.

634
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: Uh you know is legit like on on Video Soul?

635
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, it meant something to sit on that couch, you know,

636
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 9: and uh, that's that's that's flattering. That's really an awesome thing.

637
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: How so, well, I want to ease intwo video sol.

638
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: How did how are you convinced uh to Well, you

639
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 5: didn't totally abandon radio when you did video solo?

640
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh no, you did both. But did you figure that?

641
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 5: Okay, it's time for the black version of MTV too,

642
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 5: uh to come to fruition and I want to be

643
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 5: a part of history.

644
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 9: Now, Well, this has not happened. I mean, it wasn't

645
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 9: my creation. I got a call from Bob Johnson asking

646
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 9: me or actually was Jeff Lee his right hand man said,

647
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 9: we're starting this show called Video Soul, and we liked

648
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 9: for you to host it. At the time, I was

649
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 9: still doing radio, of course, but I was also I

650
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 9: just started doing TV locally in DC. For the last

651
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 9: two years, I was a sports anchor George Michael, Yeah

652
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 9: Michael backup for George Michael Sports much Machine. So you know, so, yeah,

653
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 9: it was cool. I mean, I enjoyed that, but I

654
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 9: like music, you know, sports is not what I do.

655
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: So anyway, thank you, go ahead.

656
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 15: So sports that you're thinking, that's actually how how I

657
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 15: know you. I went to school down in College Park,

658
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 15: Maryland in late eighties, early nineties, so I was watching

659
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 15: the George Michael Sports Oh Wow.

660
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: Cool dream Machine Sports sports Machine sports legend Donnie Simpson. Yeah.

661
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 9: So so anyway, they said, wanted me to do this show,

662
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 9: and I'll be very honest with you, my first answer

663
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 9: was no. You know, no, I didn't want to do it.

664
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 9: I've always been very careful about what I get involved

665
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 9: in because all I have to sell is image, you know,

666
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 9: so I'm very protective of that. You know, it's got

667
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 9: to be right. And b e T in its infancy

668
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 9: wasn't a pretty baby. Yeah, right, exactly, exactly right. So

669
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 9: I didn't want to do that, but I thought about

670
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 9: it for two days and then finally the bottom line

671
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 9: became this, that this is our first black television network.

672
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 9: If you have something to offer it, you have to

673
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 9: do that.

674
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: Period.

675
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 9: Let's go. And so I'm glad I did.

676
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 11: Man.

677
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 9: I mean it was, uh, you know, it was amazing.

678
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 9: When we first started, we were in one and a

679
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 9: half million homes. When I left, that number was like

680
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 9: forty five million. You know, now it's like one hundred

681
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 9: or something. I mean, it's just crazy, you know. And uh,

682
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 9: you know, it put me in black houses all across

683
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 9: this country, you know, just.

684
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: Like you know about your radio career.

685
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 9: I just yeah, most people around the don't get shocked

686
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 9: when they find out how do radio? Yeah, but uh yeah,

687
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 9: but you know it was really something special. Man, it

688
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 9: was uh you know. Uh, Terry Lewis we were talking

689
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 9: about it recently and he was saying how that I

690
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 9: was just telling him about the love and respect that

691
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 9: I get and how it just blows me away, you

692
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 9: know every time, and uh, he says, it's because you

693
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 9: mean something to people. You know, that you represented a

694
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 9: time when music was fun. You know, the videos were

695
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 9: fun and all of that. You know, it was clean, fun,

696
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 9: you know, and you represent that time. It's like, well,

697
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 9: I've never thought about it like that, but you know.

698
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: It's uh.

699
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 9: I remember one night the VH one did a series

700
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 9: called Black in the eighties, and then he had interviewed

701
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 9: me for it, and so they told me there's coming on.

702
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 9: So I watched it that night. It was an hour

703
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 9: long and the first fifteen minutes they did Brian Gumbele,

704
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 9: the first black to host the early morning national television show.

705
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 9: Then they did or Senil Hall, first black to host

706
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 9: a late night talk show. Then they did Cosby The

707
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 9: Cosby Show, and first black TV show where the mother

708
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 9: and dad were doctor and a lawyer, not a plumber

709
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 9: and a janitor or something, you know. And then they

710
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 9: did Donnie Simpson and Video Soul, and man, I'll never

711
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 9: forget it. When the show ended, all I could think was, well,

712
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 9: how the hell am I supposed to sleep tonight? Seriously?

713
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 9: Because I never had it put in perspective like that,

714
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 9: you know what I mean.

715
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: It's like.

716
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 9: A line from that I've always loved from Elton John

717
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 9: rocket Love not rocket Love, that's Stevie wonder rocket ma

718
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 9: man right when he says in all the science, I

719
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 9: don't understand. It's just my job five days a week,

720
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, you think this is a rocket

721
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 9: man an astronauts. It's like it's so glorious. You know,

722
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 9: your DJ is a glorious You know, Man, I don't

723
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 9: care who you are or what you do. It's just

724
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 9: what you do.

725
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: So at the time, you weren't thinking that you're doing

726
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 5: a historical service for mankind. That there's a bunch of

727
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: eleven year olds watching you and recording this because we

728
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 5: will record the show and watch it over and over again.

729
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 9: Crazy to me, No, I never thought. I mean I've

730
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 9: had three or four the ESPN anchors come up to

731
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 9: me and tell me you're the reason I do TV

732
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 9: because I used to watch you.

733
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: It's like.

734
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 9: That, Man, that's mind blowing to me. Of course, I'm

735
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 9: telling you.

736
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 11: Man.

737
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: Between you and probably probably the only person that could

738
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 5: challenge or even match your cool might be Don Cornelius.

739
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: Like you two are parents. Yea cool one the next.

740
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

741
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 5: You always pervade this, this level of intelligence and cool

742
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: and knowledge, no matter who the artist was. Like if

743
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: I were interviewing like Wild Animal era Vanity, I would

744
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: have been sweating profusely. But you gave her the same

745
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: level of respect that you would have done for Sergio

746
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: Mendez or or Side Garrett or Quincy Jones or I'll

747
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: be short, like you know what I mean.

748
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 3: Like that to me was was even more amazing.

749
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: Like it's one thing to interview someone that you love

750
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 5: and that you're you know that you have history of,

751
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 5: Like I'm sure that you know if a Motown luminary

752
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: comes on the show, then you know you're just giddy

753
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 5: about it.

754
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: But how do you prepare yourself.

755
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 5: For an artist that you might not know of, Like

756
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 5: say about first year Karen White comes on the show,

757
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: and you might not know that much about her, but.

758
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 9: I ask her, ah, like you did. Seriously, that's how

759
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 9: I prepare. There's no herd for like ten years, but

760
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 9: there there's no preparation. I mean, every artist I've ever

761
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 9: had on Video Soul, they would give me a bio

762
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 9: and a list of questions and I would take a

763
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 9: car right sit down on the side. Seriously, I would

764
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 9: never look at it because I felt that there's nothing

765
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 9: wrong with me not knowing you grew up in Tuscaloosa,

766
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 9: that I can ask you that. I mean, this is

767
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 9: an interview, this is getting to know you. What's wrong

768
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 9: with that being the first of where you grow up at?

769
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 9: You know, Oh, I grew up in Philip oh Man.

770
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 9: What happened to the Sixers the other night? That's conversation.

771
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: Okay, you know it, that's just you know.

772
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 9: I mean, if it's somebody I knew, I'm telling you

773
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 9: this may be the depth of the preparation. I'd go,

774
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 9: all right, Luther's on this show today. I'm riding in

775
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 9: and I go, what is it you want to know

776
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 9: about Luther Man? Why you why does your weight keep

777
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 9: going up and down?

778
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: I said, all right, that's what I'm going to ask him.

779
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 6: And you know it's but you could ask him that

780
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 6: though I don't think nobody else could get away with.

781
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 9: But you know, and and that is a blessing for

782
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 9: you to say that you get it. That it's just

783
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 9: like h on with all due respect, I'm going back

784
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 9: to Johnny Carson the Tonight Show that when the conversation

785
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 9: with Johnny was always different from any other host I

786
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 9: ever saw, because they had so much respect for him.

787
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 9: He could ask things that others might not because they

788
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 9: just lose. But Jimmy's like that too, because he's so cool.

789
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 9: You know when when you're cool with people like that man,

790
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 9: and they feel you and it's real, it's not stage questions.

791
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 9: And you know, when you've read the bio, the chances

792
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 9: are I'm gonna ask you a question based on that bio.

793
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 9: It's something that you've been asked a thousand times already before.

794
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: What was your first interview on Do you remember your

795
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: very first interview on the show?

796
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 9: Who was your first My very first interview is with

797
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 9: the Fat Boys? Eighty three or eighty four? God, so

798
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 9: like that, yeah, man, the Fat Boys. Second one was

799
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 9: with Rick James.

800
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: Bitch, Okay, what was that?

801
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 9: Like?

802
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: Okay, we have yet to have a potential Off the

803
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: Chains guests.

804
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 5: We're kind of entertaining that, like all of our guests

805
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: are either like super legend or we've worshiped them. Yeah,

806
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 5: but okay, Rick James a perfect example. If someone has

807
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 5: the potential disorder be off the Chains.

808
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: Oh, how do you reel them? And how do you

809
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: how do you maintain how do you drive the car

810
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: and not have them drive the car?

811
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 9: Wow? That's wow, what a great question because.

812
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: You still have to steer and navigate.

813
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, you still gotta steer and.

814
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 11: Right.

815
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: And it was the eighties, so we know that Rick

816
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: might have been on that, you know, so you don't

817
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: know where the conversation was going to go.

818
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 9: But I've never had that problem. I never had anybody,

819
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 9: had anybody go rogue on me, just you know, go crazy,

820
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 9: go just it just never happened.

821
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 8: But a little left, you've had some people maybe go

822
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 8: a little because even.

823
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 9: That every everybody left, you know, shoot.

824
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: Has an interview going a little weird, and you guys

825
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: had to do a lot of editing.

826
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 9: Magic well back in the day for like what we're

827
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 9: gonna do is like most of the years on Video Soul,

828
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 9: we were live. It was live until the last three

829
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 9: or four years.

830
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I never do that.

831
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, we used to do it live.

832
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: Man's risky.

833
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 9: Well yeah, but today that's the way I liked it

834
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 9: because that made it like radio for me. I hate tape.

835
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 9: I hate recording. It's just it's a different pressure that

836
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 9: you perform better when it's live. For me, you know,

837
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 9: when it's live and I know you don't get to

838
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 9: back it up and then it's real because for me,

839
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 9: when you're backing it up and editing, then you're trying

840
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 9: to make it perfect. And like I never ever ever

841
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 9: watched video soul. I don't listen to tapes of my

842
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 9: radio show because I feel like then I'm trying to

843
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 9: make myself perfect and I'll never be that. All I

844
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 9: need to be is me. That's it, That's all I

845
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 9: need to be, Donnie Simpson.

846
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 8: Does that mean a programmer has never pulled you in

847
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 8: aircheck meeting and.

848
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 9: It said, oh lord, no, since you were a teenager.

849
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 11: There's never been a boss, because I mean most I

850
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 11: know people know this, but like in radio, usually your

851
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 11: boss will at some point at the end of the week,

852
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 11: pool you in a room and say, let's listen.

853
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 9: To what you did here. You know what, for one period,

854
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 9: when I first moved to DC in seventy seven, we

855
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 9: did have a program director and oh my goodness, it

856
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 9: was crazy for me. For a year and a half

857
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 9: I did live under that. I've forgotten that because it

858
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 9: was such you know, that's out of how many years

859
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 9: got I started in sixty nine, so you know, one

860
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 9: and a half years of slavery. But you know where

861
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 9: he would walk in with a stopwatch and go. That

862
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 9: was seventeen seconds. You had to come in under fifteen

863
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 9: seconds on anything you said, you know, I mean, it

864
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 9: was just so finally I was gone.

865
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: I was gone.

866
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 9: I said I can't do this. I'm leaving. And I

867
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 9: had a job offer in LA and so they offered

868
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 9: me the music directorship to keep me. So I stayed

869
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 9: and then I worked under this music director. My music

870
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 9: director was he's a brother, but he had so much

871
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 9: or it was let me be careful.

872
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 14: Yeah.

873
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: We know, wink, we get it.

874
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, we need Muller to investigate this one. But he

875
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 9: we would have our record meetings or every week, you know,

876
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 9: the music meetings, and he'd go around the room. I

877
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 9: was the music director under him. He was the program director.

878
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 9: And I had two assistants, and both of them were

879
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 9: political appointees. This is DC. One was David Brinkley's son,

880
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 9: the other was his senator's son. He go around the room.

881
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 9: He play, uh, I'll never forget this. When he played

882
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 9: Beast of Burden, rolling Stones, you know, so he goes, so, John,

883
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 9: what do you think of that? Oh?

884
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: I love it.

885
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 9: I think it's great. David, what do you I think

886
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 9: it's great? I think Donnie what do you think. I

887
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 9: think it's great. We can't play that ship you, right,

888
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 9: you know, I mean I love it, but it's got

889
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 9: the fit brothers.

890
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: Can I assume that that was the single after Miss You?

891
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: Were you guys playing Miss You?

892
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 9: No? That was that was before Miss You? Because I

893
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 9: Miss You came after, as I recall it, because I

894
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 9: played Miss You as a program director, so I wasn't

895
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 9: programming then. Yeah, we I'm pretty sure we could. We

896
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 9: could check the records. Yeah, I think that's the way

897
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 9: it went because I played Miss You. That works. Beast

898
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 9: Burden does not. Little Riverband reminiscing. We can't play that, man,

899
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 9: you know. Yeah, it's it's.

900
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 8: Because you also got to consider the area, right, Like,

901
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 8: it's not just the.

902
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 9: People in the area in d C and go go baby.

903
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: You know it was hard. Yeah, that's my next question.

904
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 5: Okay, Now, as the the top taste maker of DC

905
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 5: that had the world's ears, how is such a beautiful

906
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: subculture like go go, how's it met?

907
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: So men?

908
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 5: Me obstacles and I feel like the ripple never gets

909
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 5: to expand west west more west than West Virginia or Ohio,

910
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 5: West Virginia or Okay, It's like let's let's just go

911
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 5: back to Virginia.

912
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's you've lived in DC for decades. I

913
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: assume you still do.

914
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 9: Oh yeah.

915
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 5: How is black people's jam bam music not resonated to

916
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: the rest of.

917
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: The United States of America at least?

918
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 9: I have no idea why that is. It's like, I mean,

919
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 9: we thought it was going to break out when we've

920
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 9: had Yeah well.

921
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: And good to that movie came out.

922
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 9: Chuck was the first bust and Loose was the first

923
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 9: number one go go song in the country. I mean,

924
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 9: it was number one song in the country. That was

925
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 9: Go Go and uh. And then the second was the

926
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 9: Butt by EU with the help of the movie School Days.

927
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 3: You know.

928
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 9: So we're thinking, man, this great breakout now, and it

929
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 9: never did. Those are the only two to this day

930
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 9: that ever went number one in the country. You know,

931
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 9: you had people like Grace Jones, some people used it elements, yeah,

932
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 9: used elements. Yeah, but it just never broke out for

933
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 9: some reason. And I don't know, you know, I don't

934
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 9: know why Western world never caught on to drop the

935
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 9: bomb on the White boy.

936
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 10: You know, I just don't get I.

937
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 9: Don't know.

938
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: We see no idea how that didn't work out, shocker.

939
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: So on the other side of that coin, though worrying

940
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 5: about someone going rogue, there could be the other side

941
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 5: of that coin of having artists that are signed reclusive. Now,

942
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: as as I as obsessed as I am with all

943
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 5: of David Rich's work as a as a writer and

944
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 5: read both of those Aretha books, I know that she

945
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 5: was a frequent guest of yours on the show, and

946
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 5: you go into her house and her plan for you

947
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 5: and she you know, she was rather loquacious. She talked

948
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 5: a lot, which if she didn't know you, you could

949
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: tell that. You know, there's a distance there. So how

950
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: did you what was a hard interview for you, like

951
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 5: for an artist that wasn't that talkative? Or did you

952
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: ever interview Prince ever.

953
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: In your career?

954
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 9: Yeah? On radio okay with Soul? This was about seven

955
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 9: what years ago?

956
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: Oh you seventy?

957
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 9: I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no no,

958
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 9: because you remember Prinsident He had done that one interview

959
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 9: I think it ran on MTV and he interviewed himself.

960
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 14: Actually, I was watching a click on on YouTube today

961
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 14: of you introducing that on video Soul.

962
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, so no, and it was Prince and

963
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 9: Michael were the only two artists that I always wanted

964
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 9: to interview, you know, but never got to have them

965
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 9: on Video Soul, you.

966
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 3: Know, even though we ever get them.

967
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh yeah, being Prince were friends. And you know,

968
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 9: as a matter of fact, the night you referenced earlier

969
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 9: when we went to UH flight Time for the Pandemonium

970
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 9: album for the time, Uh, we partied at UH at

971
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 9: Paisley Park that night. You love this story. This is

972
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 9: so funny.

973
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: Yes, we bring the story.

974
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 9: Uh that Wednesday, we're recording Video Soul. I had David

975
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 9: Bowie on the show, and who was so cool and

976
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 9: uh so after the show we were talking and I

977
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 9: was telling him I was going to Minneapolis that Friday

978
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 9: to do this time thing, and he says, I'm playing

979
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 9: Minneapolis Friday. You got to come to the show. I

980
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 9: was all right, cool, I'm there, So get my buddy

981
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 9: to go with me, Sugar, Ray Letter. So we rode

982
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 9: to Minneapolis and we do the thing.

983
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 11: I don't.

984
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 9: We that's me and Ray hung every day man, my

985
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 9: boy still to this day. But so anyway, we get

986
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 9: to the show that Friday night and they set like

987
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 9: eight seats at the sound board right so we go

988
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 9: to sit in our seats, and so I'm going by

989
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 9: and I bump this lady in front of me and

990
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 9: I excuse me, ma'am. And Prince turns around. So what

991
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 9: he says, Hey, Donnie, Prince Man, so sorry about that.

992
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 9: And so then he turns back around a minute or

993
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 9: two later, he says, I'm having a party at Paisley

994
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 9: Park tonight, you and Ray are to come. I said,

995
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 9: all right, cool. So we go to the party. Man,

996
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 9: you know, it's like twelve people there.

997
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: Man, he always parties were just yeah, six people.

998
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 12: I know.

999
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 9: It's me, Prince, Ray, David Boy and his band members Cat.

1000
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 9: He was dancing with him and my boy Jeff Newman,

1001
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 9: who produced my show video Soul. And I mean that

1002
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 9: was like that was it, you know. But we had

1003
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 9: the greatest time. Man. It was just the coolest night.

1004
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 9: And he played the Black Album that night. Okay. And

1005
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 9: now now this is so years later he tells me,

1006
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 9: because you know that album was notorious because it wasn't released.

1007
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 9: And so years later Prince told me, he said, you

1008
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 9: know you're the reason I didn't release the Black Album.

1009
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 9: What And I said, why? What do you mean? He says,

1010
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 9: you remember what you said that night at Paisley Park.

1011
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 9: I said what he said, you said, this is such

1012
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 9: a groove, and I was about so much more. Wow,

1013
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 9: And I thought, wow, is he serious or is.

1014
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 11: He just.

1015
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 9: Seriously? That was really deep to me that because that

1016
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 9: is what I said. It's like, man, this is such

1017
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 9: a groove, you know. But but what Prince needed to

1018
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 9: know is that you could be about that much more.

1019
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 9: But I can't hear it. I don't hear lyrics. I

1020
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 9: hear groove, I hear vibe, I hear feel you know,

1021
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 9: I know where it is. But man, it could be

1022
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 9: thirty years later and I'd be like, damn, that's what

1023
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 9: they were talking about, you know, too close.

1024
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 10: He was, See the thing is, It's like, the thing is,

1025
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 10: I know I know that you know a lot of

1026
00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 10: a lot of his.

1027
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 5: Earlier Nelson George reviews of his post Rise post nineteen

1028
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 5: ninety nine, Rise kind of got under his skin and

1029
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: that he didn't want to be that philosophical and he

1030
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: just wanted to let y'all know that he was still down.

1031
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 5: And I've you know, that was his statement of letting

1032
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 5: y'all know, like, yo, I'm still down, and this is

1033
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: me but and you validated you're still down because that's

1034
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 5: such a groove. But maybe there's that itch in his

1035
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 5: soul that's just like say the deep statement, and you're.

1036
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: Right right, and we're stuck with love sexy.

1037
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 9: I got to tell you this is going back to

1038
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 9: something you said earlier. But it's so cool that because

1039
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 9: Jimmy and Terry, my boys and my mom introduced me

1040
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 9: to the time. That's who told me about the time,

1041
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 9: how well I was in DC. Mom still at a

1042
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 9: record shop in Detroit. You talked about that diversity. Simpson's

1043
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 9: Record out still there years fifty years, man, fifty years. Yes,

1044
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 9: I've never been there.

1045
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 5: No, I always shop. I always shop in uh gross

1046
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 5: point blank. What's gross point in Michigan? Yeah, points a

1047
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 5: place called Melodies and Memories out there that I do

1048
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: all my digging.

1049
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: But Simpson's Record Shop is still there. Yeah.

1050
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, a mom and pop YEP, mom and pop record store.

1051
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 9: When I told you that's where I started my career.

1052
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 9: Still there.

1053
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: Right now, Stephen doing a week tour of America record stores.

1054
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 9: We have more hot dogs and candy than she does records.

1055
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 15: Now, can I interject the question, Donnie, So, what's your

1056
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 15: what's your record collection looking like these days?

1057
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

1058
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 5: We said, oh wait, there's a frown over there. Are

1059
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 5: you in a situation where you had to get rid

1060
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 5: of stuff and put it in storage?

1061
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 9: Marriage my records?

1062
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1063
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 9: Are you asking? What am I into?

1064
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: Or what? Do you still have your physical like that?

1065
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 9: I still have everything everything, man, I would assume it's

1066
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 9: worth some money. Man.

1067
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 3: Okay, fire in the house hypothetical, that's a Knockwood situation. Yeah,

1068
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: fire in the house. You're saving five records?

1069
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 9: Okay, top five? What albums?

1070
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: What's your forty five is into? Okay? Yes? What out?

1071
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: What five albums are you saving?

1072
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 9: What's going on? Hot Buttered Soul?

1073
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: Yes?

1074
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 9: Who off the wall?

1075
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 5: Wait now before you name the last two, I also

1076
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: mean that I'm certain that you have rare items of

1077
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 5: your your action as well.

1078
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: Can just save his whole collection? We'll all we'll all

1079
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: show up at the fire and help him get out.

1080
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 9: Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road. I got one more. That's hard. Well,

1081
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 9: look at they all fighting, they trying to get out

1082
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 9: the fire. Oh wow, one left? Oh god, I got Marvin.

1083
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: Let's see fires.

1084
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 13: Okay, Stevie's anthology. I'm cheating that off here STEVIEE right,

1085
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 13: wow one Stevie.

1086
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 9: Oh my goodness, man, you get Sophie's choice, you'll stream,

1087
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 9: you can stream the rest on Pandora. I'm just saying that,

1088
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 9: ah fulfilling, this first Finaley, that's the Stevie one, Jod,

1089
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1090
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: That was a great cruschetto. I mean, what would you say?

1091
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: That's what we're talking about, because out of the Genius period,

1092
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 5: that's my least favorite Stevie record of the Genius period.

1093
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: Really, that's the one I know the least songs on.

1094
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: I know it, but I mean besides my mind.

1095
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 5: For me, I don't know why I like Music of

1096
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 5: my Mind out of the five of them, because it

1097
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 5: was the first of the five. But even then I

1098
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 5: was like one, So I mean it was the first

1099
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 5: of the five. He was just more raw and that

1100
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 5: it was the first of the five, or do you first?

1101
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: It was the first five? Yes, my first.

1102
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 9: The first record I ever bought was by Stevie. It's tight. Really,

1103
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 9: that's the first purchase I ever made.

1104
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: Of music, the first your your very first record.

1105
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, because that's before my mother. I didn't buy records

1106
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 9: for law because you open the record shop and then

1107
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 9: I got into radio. But yeah, I paid sixty nine

1108
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 9: cents for Babe Bit Everything is all right?

1109
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: So forty five were sixty nine cents back in Well

1110
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 5: that came out sixty sixty.

1111
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, sixty six or sixty seven.

1112
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 5: Well, I also know that you your you as a

1113
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 5: concert spectator, that you've probably seen some of the best

1114
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 5: shows of all time.

1115
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: Now in your radio career. You told us about your

1116
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: your childhood career.

1117
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 5: But what what were the experiences like, because I'm certain

1118
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 5: that you know you saw the very first Mothership Connection

1119
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 5: shows like stuff we take rant it now, like the

1120
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 5: ideas of the Jackson's levitating or earth Wind and fire

1121
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 5: levit taking all that stuff, like, man, what concert will

1122
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 5: stay with you forever?

1123
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: As far as like.

1124
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 9: All the Michael concerts really, I mean he's just the

1125
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 9: greatest ever to me, Yeah, without doubt, Michael the fire

1126
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 9: you know, see earth Wind and fire Man in their prime,

1127
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 9: you know with Maurice, you know, was amazing. The very

1128
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 9: first concert ever saw in my life, James, you know

1129
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 9: where Cobo Arena in Detroit. This had to be sixty seven,

1130
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 9: Jesus something like that, maybe sixty eight? Did he do

1131
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 9: say it loud? So? No, it was before said Loud,

1132
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 9: SOI say it loud. I'm black and I'm proud with

1133
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 9: sixty eight, you know. And James was my king, right,

1134
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 9: you know. And I used to tell them that all

1135
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 9: the time. Man, you're my king, I'm your soldier. There

1136
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 9: ain't nothing I wouldn't do for you. And I meant that, man,

1137
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 9: because he taught me to be proud of who I was.

1138
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 9: You know, my skin color man said loud was the

1139
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 9: most significant song ever for me. There would never be

1140
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 9: a song more important than that for me, you know.

1141
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 9: And so James gave me all that that sense of prime.

1142
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1143
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 9: Me had assists from Curtis Mayfield and you know, but

1144
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 9: but it was James. So to see James and concert

1145
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 9: was just amazing early on because I remember as a

1146
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 9: kid sitting there at twelve years old. So wow, I

1147
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 9: was twelve. So that was that was sixty six and

1148
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 9: all I can think of. I'm not a musician, so

1149
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but I'm like, damn, this dude's

1150
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 9: got two drummers. He's gonna wear one out.

1151
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 3: He knows that ain't gonna make it.

1152
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 9: So wow, I saw Sammy Davis Junior. That was amazing

1153
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 9: to see Sammy. You know, wow, wow, you'll appreciate this,

1154
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 9: and I know shifting gears a little bit, but say

1155
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 9: it people that I've had the opportunity to spend time

1156
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 9: in the studio with Tell Okay, now, of course you

1157
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 9: know there are a bunch of them. But before the

1158
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 9: just when I think back on my life in my career,

1159
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 9: to just blow me away, Marvin Sly Prince, Prince invited

1160
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 9: me in the studio one night, and that's rare. He didn't,

1161
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 9: you know, yeh, didn't have people in the studio. Uh

1162
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 9: and Stevie, you know, to spend time in the studio

1163
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 9: with Stevie, man, it was just oh my goodness.

1164
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 5: You speak of watching Marvin in the studio. Can you

1165
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 5: speak of watching Marvin in the studio?

1166
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 9: Actually it's kind of cheating because he wasn't He wasn't

1167
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 9: doing his album. He was recording the Originals. He was

1168
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 9: producing the Originals. Yeah did you know that, you know?

1169
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: Yes?

1170
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, they yeah, yeah, But uh, Pam was with me.

1171
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 9: She was just my girlfriend. Then she's my wife of

1172
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 9: forty three years now. But I'm crazy, said she only

1173
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 9: forty four. But I remember Pam saying to me like

1174
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 9: because Marven was trying to show him how to sing

1175
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 9: the song, and she goes, why didn't he just sing

1176
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 9: you can't nobody do that? Yeah, but you know Marvin,

1177
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 9: when he invited me to the studio, how cool is this.

1178
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 9: I'm hanging out with ron Banks of the dramatics.

1179
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

1180
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, me and Ronnie. Ronnie was my best friend and

1181
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 9: that side of the music, of the business of music.

1182
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 9: Ronnie was my best friend, all the dramatics, but Ronnie

1183
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 9: in particular. And uh so we're riding down the street

1184
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 9: and we see Marvin going in his house, going up

1185
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 9: the driveway, and uh so, Ronnie says, it's Marvin. Man,

1186
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,479
Speaker 9: let's stop and say hello to him. I'm sorry. Cool.

1187
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 9: So we stopped and uh he introduces He said, yeah, man,

1188
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 9: I listen to you every night. Man. I was like,

1189
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 9: all right, cool, And he says, you ought to come

1190
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 9: in and check me out in the studio. I said,

1191
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 9: all right, I'd love to do that. He says, well,

1192
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 9: I'm going in tomorrow all night. He says, but here,

1193
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 9: let me give you this phone number. Call me tomorrow morning, man,

1194
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 9: because I'll get up in the morning and decide to

1195
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 9: climb Mount Everest and I'll be gone, you know. And

1196
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 9: he said it in such a way as like I'm

1197
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 9: not trying to act like I'm eccentric or something like that.

1198
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 9: I'm just telling you, dog, you need to check because

1199
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 9: I do that. Right.

1200
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 3: He's known for that, right, he is known for that.

1201
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, So how many cats know that Marvin lived

1202
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 5: in a bread truck for seven months in Hawaii?

1203
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?

1204
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 9: Is that right?

1205
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: Right after Dream Lifetime came on, he took his remaining money.

1206
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: That was right before. I thought it was before a

1207
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: minute love.

1208
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 5: I thought, well, yeah, after dream before he did that,

1209
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 5: before he moved to Belgium and lived in the monastery.

1210
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: And what you call this is round eighty. Yeah.

1211
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he purchased a bread truck because I add a

1212
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 5: good room into it.

1213
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh you mean our lifetime? Yeah, in our lifetime, I'm sorry,

1214
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 3: in our lifetime.

1215
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 9: If I had to pick one voice, I mean one artist,

1216
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 9: I mean, Marvin's my favorite vocalist ever. I just love Marvin.

1217
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 9: But the most intimate is that the right word. Most

1218
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 9: emotional moment I ever had with music was with Marvin.

1219
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 9: One night, I was sitting there listening to Flying High

1220
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 9: in a Friendly Sky, and I'd heard the song for

1221
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 9: forty years. I told you I don't hear lyrics, right,

1222
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 9: so not really. I mean flying I in the Friendly Sky,

1223
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 9: all right.

1224
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: I guess it's.

1225
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 9: Commercial for uniting it. I don't know, you know, but

1226
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 9: that night I'm sitting there and I'm listening to it, man,

1227
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 9: and I heard every word after It had to be

1228
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 9: thirty years at that point, and man, you know, I'm

1229
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 9: telling you, bruh, I sat there and cried for forty minutes,

1230
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 9: and I mean bawling, man, because I saw Marvin's life

1231
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 9: and his drug addiction. It spells it out so well.

1232
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 9: You know, my second oldest brother was classic Vietnam case,

1233
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 9: you know, came back from the non decorated war hero

1234
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 9: addicted to heroin, you know, and watched that struggle that

1235
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 9: he went through and sent my family through. You know,

1236
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 9: we you know, we all got touched by that thing.

1237
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 9: And you know, I just sat there, man, It just

1238
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 9: it just took me to a place where nothing but

1239
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 9: music could take me to where I went that night,

1240
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 9: you know, But you know, I go to the place

1241
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 9: where the danger waits me self destructions in my hands.

1242
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 9: You know, in the morning, I'll be all right, but

1243
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 9: then the pain soon the night comes and the pain.

1244
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 9: Oh man, it's just I was out running yesterday morning,

1245
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 9: and that's I always have my iPod on random, yeah,

1246
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 9: on shuffle, and that song came on. I'm running crying.

1247
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 9: You saw me, you thought I was sweating.

1248
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: So can I ask? I mean, it's no secret that.

1249
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 5: Where we are now in twenty seventeen is a long

1250
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 5: way from where we were in nineteen sixty seven or

1251
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 5: sixty nine when you first started. So I know that

1252
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 5: it has to be bothersome to not necessarily watch the

1253
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 5: evolution of where black music and black cultures go, the

1254
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 5: evolution or yeah, just the the evolution of it.

1255
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: Does it worry you that very few.

1256
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 5: Members of the next generation aren't necessarily grabbing onto the

1257
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 5: baton that the forefathers had and sort of not even

1258
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 5: dropping it, but just having a disregard or a sheep

1259
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 5: oft shrug like eh okay, yeah, like is it?

1260
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 3: Well?

1261
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that you seem to be an open

1262
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 5: book culturally to everything, like you know in sixty nine, you.

1263
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 3: Know, say loud, I'm black. I'm proud changed your life.

1264
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm certain that.

1265
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 5: Prince's arrival with or the the onslaught of dirty Mind

1266
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 5: and what he would later unleash was new and shocking,

1267
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 5: but you seem to be.

1268
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 3: A board of it and what came after.

1269
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, at what point and you don't have to specifically

1270
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 5: mention names or whatever, but at what point or at

1271
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 5: least the year did you were the seeds of indifference

1272
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 5: there for you? Or it's sort of like, man, like,

1273
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 5: I guess, I guess this is what this is what

1274
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 5: passes for talent, or this is what passes for music

1275
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 5: or m I guess I'm just getting older.

1276
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you know, well, first of all, I have

1277
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 9: to tell you this that I was, I was always

1278
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 9: has to. I never wanted to make the statement that

1279
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 9: they don't make music like they used to, okay, because

1280
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 9: I felt like every generation makes that statement, and they're right,

1281
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 9: they don't make it like.

1282
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: They used to.

1283
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 9: They never have, they never will. It's always changing. So

1284
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 9: and then I remember when we did the interview with

1285
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 9: Quincy Jones from his house to back on the Block album.

1286
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 5: I was gonna say you committed him on being open minded,

1287
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 5: and that always stuck with me, like I never want

1288
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 5: to be the old guy that's like exactly, you know,

1289
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 5: I hate this music, right, And you said that and

1290
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, okay, that's what I need to be.

1291
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, like Quincy, you know you look, I mean that album.

1292
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 9: I go to do this interview with Quincy. I mean

1293
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 9: there's Ray Charles and Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Big Daddy Kane,

1294
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 9: iced Tea. You know, let me kick my credentials, young

1295
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 9: player bread in South Central LA, Home of the body

1296
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 9: Bag You Want to Die had colored rag. I used

1297
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 9: to walk in stores in the LA down you finish

1298
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 9: a inch a ca Spray.

1299
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 3: Who Man I just wrapped with He said, you deserve that.

1300
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 9: But the first time I heard that, Me and l A.

1301
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 9: Reid had this conversation because I was telling him, said, man,

1302
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 9: when I first got that album, I was listening to it.

1303
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 9: I said, it took me forty minutes to get through

1304
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 9: the first song. And he said me too, because you know,

1305
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 9: I mean, I know, Gula Matari, Quincy Jones. You know

1306
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 9: I'm right. And then I opened up. The first thing

1307
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 9: I hear is this gangster rap. But then all through

1308
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 9: the album was like a lesson to me that you know,

1309
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 9: you can embrace it all all right. So now they're

1310
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 9: doing the human beat.

1311
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 3: Box all right?

1312
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 9: So all right, little Let's get Ella Sarah Sarah, Bobby

1313
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 9: McFerrin and take six no instruments. All right, well, let's

1314
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 9: do that. You know, it was just he could make

1315
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 9: it all work, all right, Now get past that, and

1316
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 9: I'll have to tell you that in the last five, six,

1317
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 9: seven years, you know, it's not like there was any

1318
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 9: particular moment where I felt like, well, where are we?

1319
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 9: Where is R and B? But you know, I look

1320
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 9: at the charts. It's like me and Jimmy and Terry

1321
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 9: have had this conversation like it's just like it's just

1322
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 9: hip hop and pop, you know, like we're not there.

1323
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1324
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 9: I miss those days. Man, when the top ten pop songs,

1325
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 9: you know, half of them are black, you know, and

1326
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 9: I mean black black, you know, right, so the soul charge, right,

1327
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 9: you know, I miss that. It seems like it's just

1328
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 9: it's changed. And that's very frustrating for me, you know.

1329
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 9: And and uh, you're asking me the question, but I

1330
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 9: ask you the question. Is it Is it that the

1331
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 9: musicians have bailed on it they're just so nonchalant about it,

1332
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 9: or is it that the music companies don't I have

1333
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 9: thought that ever giving it voice.

1334
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 3: I have a theory. No because they're there.

1335
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 5: I could name about six or seven people on the

1336
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 5: Internet that are like killing that might not get a

1337
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 5: shot because they're not easily digestible. But I also feel

1338
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 5: as though I don't know where black people are spiritually. Yeah,

1339
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 5: I don't know where we are spiritually now, as opposed

1340
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 5: to fifty years ago where we relied on the church.

1341
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: As a training ground for singers.

1342
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, now that's true, you know, and musicians. I never

1343
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 9: thought about that.

1344
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to be This is probably the most explicitly

1345
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 5: honest I've ever been concerning my spirituality on this show.

1346
01:14:53,960 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 3: But just lately, just as far as the the political turmoil.

1347
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 16: That we're living in right now, House of Cars season six, Yeah,

1348
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 16: pretty much, and what's been going on in the past

1349
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 16: three years as far as.

1350
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 5: Justice is concerned, as far as the unarmed killings of

1351
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 5: black boys and black women. You know, I used to

1352
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 5: question on Twitter, like, well, you know, where's the spiritual

1353
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 5: center that says that this is wrong? Like if this

1354
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 5: were if the injustice that was happening in twenty sixteen,

1355
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: all those unarmed shootings were happening in sixty six, sixty seven,

1356
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 5: I would have heard from the church from now and

1357
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, Okay, well, I'm maybe question you know,

1358
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 5: because it's so blasphemous for black folks that have been

1359
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 5: raising the church to even have thoughts.

1360
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: Of atheism or whatever.

1361
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 5: But you know, just where the idea of Christianity in

1362
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, it seems very tainted to me then it

1363
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 5: was when I was a kid growing up in church.

1364
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 5: And you know, your grandmam took to U church, you

1365
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 5: had to be there for eight hours. So I know

1366
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 5: that if I'm sort of questioning that, then I know

1367
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people that are just like me

1368
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 5: that are moving away from that spirituality. I'm not saying that, oh, well,

1369
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 5: God doesn't exist if all this injustice is happening, but

1370
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 5: I know that, you know, our answer was always primarily

1371
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 5: always hang on to the Lord.

1372
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 3: The Lord will make it all right.

1373
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 5: And just you know, and I don't know if black

1374
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 5: people are there now, like even in our singers, like

1375
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 5: the hero now is Rihanna, who is about is not

1376
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 5: in the church anti She's more the mall or the

1377
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't know where, like her home

1378
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: base is where you think of a reef, it's like,

1379
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 5: oh that's the church. Do you know, but the generation

1380
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 5: that Rihanna's raising isn't spiritual based.

1381
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: Like Lauren Hill in a way that yeah, that's that's and.

1382
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 9: It's not just blank. I mean you look at what

1383
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 9: the Christian right just allowed to happen in our last election,

1384
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, if you can give him a

1385
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 9: pass for talking about grabbing women how he wants to

1386
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 9: grab and that's okay, Yeah, we've.

1387
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 3: Just lost spirituality, not even religion, but just spirituality. So

1388
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 3: I just feel like.

1389
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 5: That that reflects in the music and if that's not there,

1390
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 5: then we've pretty much lost soul music unless the spirit

1391
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 5: of it has just gone to the UK where.

1392
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 3: There's still people there, and.

1393
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 11: We're also becoming more inclusive as a people as wells

1394
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 11: and I think that has a lot to do with

1395
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 11: it too. We weren't, you know, we can know, I

1396
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 11: mean not watered down for lack of a better term,

1397
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 11: but you're talking about the sixties and when music was

1398
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 11: made then it definitely was not as inclusive as it

1399
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 11: is in twenty seventeen. And then you have to do

1400
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 11: with the cultural appropriation and who's making the money off

1401
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 11: of this sole means, I just.

1402
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 14: Point out a labels not wanting to do more work

1403
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 14: than you know, if they can just market one artist

1404
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 14: one certain way instead of having to do it a

1405
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 14: whole bunch of different ways to target you know, all

1406
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 14: these different.

1407
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 11: Audisms, and if they can sing soul and not be

1408
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 11: black and capture two different audiences.

1409
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 5: Who So do you find it ironically weird that some

1410
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 5: of the more popular soul artists are not looking like

1411
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 5: the person in the mirror when you're listening to it.

1412
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 3: Like or is that to you?

1413
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 5: Just I'm sorry you no, no, no, I'm saying that

1414
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 5: now if you think of soul music, nine times out

1415
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 5: of ten, it's sam right right, right.

1416
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 9: Right right right? Oh? I know, yeah, it's strange. Yeah,

1417
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 9: it's it's strange.

1418
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1419
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 9: And I mean I don't fault you for that, you know,

1420
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 9: I mean you got sold. I mean the artists that

1421
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 9: you just named very soulful and I love their music,

1422
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 9: you know, but you know, it reminds me of watching

1423
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 9: and gosh, should I call this out in American idol

1424
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 9: or you know these shows? And you know, my wife

1425
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 9: and my daughter gets so mad at me.

1426
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: Was it?

1427
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 9: They finally just stopped watching it with me because I'm

1428
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 9: sitting oh god, he's so crazy. It's like what you know,

1429
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 9: So you you like, I take you to church this

1430
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 9: Sunday and find and just on this Sunday and find

1431
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 9: you three four voices better than anything you've heard on

1432
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 9: this whole season.

1433
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 11: You know.

1434
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 9: That's that's how I always.

1435
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 8: Felt about Fantasian.

1436
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 9: Jennifer Hudson, Well, yeah, there were moments, right right.

1437
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 5: The thing that I find problematic about reality shows and

1438
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 5: the contest is that, you know, I feel like since

1439
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 5: ninety seven we've negated the idea of subculture or an

1440
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 5: underground you know, Aretha Franklin wasn't.

1441
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 3: Made in thirteen weeks.

1442
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was made in seventeen years, started at eight,

1443
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 5: you know, and it took slow development in her father's church,

1444
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 5: in a subculture, and you know, because of the rush,

1445
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 5: because music is more as a means of escape for

1446
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 5: poverty for a lot of black folk. You know, it's

1447
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 5: it's more or less probably used now as a means

1448
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 5: to survive as opposed to express your spirituality. So yeah,

1449
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 5: I'd find those shows rather dangerous. But that's a whole

1450
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 5: another episode, of course.

1451
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 6: And those shows aren't really about music, They're about TV,

1452
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 6: you know, I mean it's not about that, you know

1453
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 6: what I'm saying about who's the greatest. It's about That's

1454
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 6: why you get William Hunks out there.

1455
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 9: Right right, like try to get you to watch.

1456
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: So what would you?

1457
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 9: By the way, I found a CD at my mother's

1458
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 9: record shop of Aretha singing in her church, in her

1459
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 9: father's church when she was twelve. How good is that

1460
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 9: my ma had that in the record shop. Oh my god,

1461
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 9: I haven't she doesn't have anymore.

1462
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, did you guys sell a

1463
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 5: Reverend cl Franklin's ceremony?

1464
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1465
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, man, we're making a pilgrimage because I

1466
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 5: know somewhere in the storage unit.

1467
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: There's a gym in there.

1468
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, we are going up there. She

1469
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 9: more or less specializes in gospel music now anyway. As

1470
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 9: a matter of fact, Wow, going back, I remember I

1471
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 9: used to send Elton gospel music to London because he

1472
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 9: couldn't get it right right. I'd send the stuff, send

1473
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 9: him stuff from my mom's record shop. Man.

1474
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we are coming to Joy.

1475
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 8: Is that where? Okay? So it's right because the record

1476
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 8: store is still in existence, right.

1477
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's still for right now, it's struggling though.

1478
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 8: It's tight because it sounded like he might have half

1479
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 8: of the records in DC too.

1480
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 9: No, yeah, well I got a few.

1481
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: We'll come and save the store. Don't do no worry.

1482
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: We wait.

1483
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 5: I want to ask one this kind of backwards, to

1484
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 5: go back then. But since uh, there's a movie about

1485
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 5: Detroit coming out in August about the sixty seven riots,

1486
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 5: I want to ask, how was your mom's story, How

1487
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 5: was that unscathed from because sixty percent of the city

1488
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 5: went up in flames during those riots up there? Like,

1489
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 5: how are you guys able to protect the store and

1490
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 5: not have it affected?

1491
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 9: Well, we also had Simpsons patrol service got started first.

1492
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 9: Actually my dad had a rent a cops service, so

1493
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 9: he actually he protected the store. Plus you know, she

1494
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 9: was protected anyway, everybody in the neighborhood knew. They knew. Okay,

1495
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 9: oh yeah, she was protected. They weren't, you know, Mama

1496
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 9: was They.

1497
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 3: Weren't going to burn the jams.

1498
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 9: No, they weren't going to burn no, none of that. No,

1499
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 9: but uh, you know, and mom has always been cool. Man,

1500
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 9: like you go over there. My mother has always say

1501
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 9: it has the best security force there is, the Winos.

1502
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 9: They don't miss no days.

1503
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 3: Don't.

1504
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, And they were always so cool with mom.

1505
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 9: You know, if they need a cigarette, whatever, man, you know,

1506
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 9: Mom's got them. Man, just whatever. MISSI they called Mississippi,

1507
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 9: but uh, you know she come to open up. Man,

1508
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 9: they'd be standing in front of her store. They stand there,

1509
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 9: make sure she's in. Okay, Once she's in, they gone

1510
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 9: across the street because they know it's bad for business,

1511
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 9: you know, but let somebody come in there looking threatening

1512
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 9: the enforced Baby.

1513
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm telling you what side of Detroit? Was it on

1514
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: east side?

1515
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 9: Yeah? Not far east? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

1516
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 9: right yeah. You start thinking about your pilgrimage.

1517
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 6: I was like, I want to ask you, do you

1518
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 6: still keep in touch with any of the old crew,

1519
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 6: like Sherry Carter.

1520
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 9: Madeline, like all those everybody you just named? Yes?

1521
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 8: Is it a Facebook group somewhere that y'all have?

1522
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, you'll be going in yeah yeah yeah yeah, no

1523
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 9: we still talk?

1524
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?

1525
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 9: Man?

1526
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 8: Did they ever talk on it? I was just a

1527
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 8: strength of what you just said.

1528
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,879
Speaker 11: Is there ever talk of like a full out reunion

1529
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 11: on B E T with you everybody?

1530
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 3: Okay?

1531
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 9: That that was a very quick are you no? You

1532
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 9: know for me, you know, when it was done, it

1533
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 9: was done, and that's the way I am when i'm you.

1534
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 3: Know the end. When When was when the video so

1535
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 3: officially in that's a cool question. No, it was hold

1536
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,799
Speaker 3: on the Planet Grooves.

1537
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 9: Wh It was like nineteen ninety seven, I think. I

1538
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 9: know because they brought me back to do a special

1539
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 9: Millennium show or the Top Videos of the Century, and

1540
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 9: so I came back for that. But for the last

1541
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 9: two years that I did the show, I'm telling you, man,

1542
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 9: it was on New York Avenue, and every night I

1543
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 9: would drive up New York Avenue and all I could

1544
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 9: think was that, God, forty minutes more and you could

1545
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 9: be at the Bay having dinner with Pam. That's all

1546
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 9: I thought about every night. And that told me that

1547
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 9: it was time. Yeah, that it was time. I didn't

1548
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 9: want to do it anymore, you know, And it just

1549
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 9: changed for me, I think because I started. They started before.

1550
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 9: We used to do it in the afternoon at one o'clock,

1551
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 9: and sometimes for a number of years we did at three,

1552
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 9: but always live. And then we started recording it at

1553
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 9: seven o'clock at night, and you know, with me doing

1554
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 9: my morning radio show, it's just too much. I just

1555
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 9: it didn't feel same to me. I didn't. I just

1556
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 9: I don't know. And it was fourteen years, you know,

1557
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 9: and so no, I you know, my it was done.

1558
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 9: It was people always go mad. God, don't you miss it?

1559
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: You know?

1560
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 9: I don't. I mean, well, I missed the people. The

1561
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 9: show was fun, But I always think about those last

1562
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 9: two years, man, where it's just like, no, it was time.

1563
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 9: Everything has its time, you know. That's the way I feel, man.

1564
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 9: And we had our run and it was cool, it

1565
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 9: was great. It served his purpose for that moment, and

1566
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 9: we're done with it.

1567
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,560
Speaker 8: But you did miss TV because you came back with

1568
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 8: Donnie have the Dark a little bit?

1569
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I decided I wanted to. That was Pam's fault. Really,

1570
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 9: she wants you out of the house.

1571
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 3: Quest.

1572
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 9: Let me tell you how she put it though. She said, Donnie,

1573
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 9: everywhere we go, all you hear is how much they

1574
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 9: love you and want you to do something else. You know,

1575
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 9: God has given you a talent that you should be

1576
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 9: sharing with people. That's the way she put it. What

1577
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 9: I heard was get out. It's been five and a

1578
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 9: half years.

1579
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: I brought you out of the house records.

1580
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 9: Because I didn't do anything for five and a half years. Man,

1581
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 9: What was that like?

1582
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: We're going from just going going going, having years to chill.

1583
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 9: It was cool, man, it was great. I tell everybody

1584
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 9: I started. I started a shuttle service. Yeah, I would

1585
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 9: shuttle grand babies back and forth.

1586
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: And I was good at it.

1587
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 9: And in the summer I became a pool boy, you know,

1588
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 9: for my grandkids. Man. So so I loved it, man,

1589
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 9: But but I'm happy to be back in the game.

1590
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 11: You know.

1591
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 9: It's you know, I love music in particular, and I

1592
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 9: felt like it was five and a half years of

1593
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 9: me not knowing what was going on, you know, and

1594
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 9: I don't and I never experienced that before. I've never

1595
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 9: been out of loops as the time I was twelve,

1596
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 9: you know, I always knew what was happening, you know.

1597
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 9: So you know, so it's been cool, man. And then

1598
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 9: and then the love of the people give you two man.

1599
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 3: You know, It's just.

1600
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 9: You know, it was almost like me and Ray Leonard

1601
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 9: had this conversation because we were talking. He took off

1602
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,879
Speaker 9: for five years before he came back and fought Hagler,

1603
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 9: and he was talking about how it was so much

1604
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 9: more intense when you came back because you know people,

1605
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 9: you know, they're used to you, and then you're gone

1606
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 9: for this and you figured that's it, there's no more,

1607
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 9: and then all of a sudden you come back and

1608
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 9: it's a different level of appreciation, you know, and uh,

1609
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 9: you know people just people treat me swell.

1610
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 11: But when did you realize that you probably could never

1611
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 11: do radio anywhere else but the DMV, Like the DMV

1612
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 11: might not let you.

1613
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 8: Was there a moment where you realized that you came.

1614
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 9: Or that you just wouldn't a dog you got you

1615
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 9: painting them straight up gangs now.

1616
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 8: Him right like you on Ben's chili bowl wall now

1617
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 8: like you can't leave?

1618
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 9: You are like, no, I never felt like that, like

1619
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 9: they wouldn't let you leave. I mean, you know, I

1620
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 9: mean because I was always so you love DC across

1621
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,799
Speaker 9: the country anyway. I absolutely love d C without doubt.

1622
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 3: Because I'm certain that at one point you could write

1623
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 3: your own ticket and let me see what it's up

1624
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: in Chicago.

1625
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 9: Or go to l A or But for what I mean,

1626
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 9: you know, I mean d Yeah, and I love Detroit.

1627
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 9: I mean Detroit, that's you know, that's home. Baby. But

1628
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, I'm already. I've been in Chicago.

1629
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 9: Be Et video Soul put me in every city in

1630
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 9: this country. I don't need radio to do that. I've

1631
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 9: never felt the need to to leave to go.

1632
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1633
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 9: That's another reason why I've never felt pressure to do syndication.

1634
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 9: You know, I'm ask you know.

1635
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: B E.

1636
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 9: T put me in more homes, and syndication could ever

1637
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 9: put me in from radio, you know it could that

1638
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 9: could never be matched with radio what B E.

1639
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 3: T did for me.

1640
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 9: So that's not that big a deal to me, you know.

1641
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 9: And when I've had those conversations and I go, well,

1642
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 9: I play some of everything, you know, So what happens

1643
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 9: on this station in Detroit kim all the time? What

1644
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 9: happens when I play uh Drake or Tupac or whatever,

1645
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 9: you know, whatever it is. I'm like, well, you can

1646
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 9: play them, but you know, and you can talk about them.

1647
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 9: But we'll cover the Tupac song with Luthor. Oh no, no,

1648
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 9: you won't, you know, because you know, for me, it's

1649
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 9: not like I'm not a bit driven show, you know.

1650
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 9: I just I play music, we talk about it, and

1651
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 9: you know that's what I do. So music is such

1652
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 9: a big part of what I do. I can't. You

1653
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 9: can't take them, you can't cover It's got to be

1654
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 9: like a listen line. I mean, you know, you got

1655
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 9: to listen to the same thing in Chicago and San

1656
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 9: Francisco that they're listening to in DC. You can't cover

1657
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 9: my music with something else, right, you know, that's part

1658
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 9: of that's the biggest part of the experience to me.

1659
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's good to be local, you know. Sometimes

1660
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, this is one of those cases.

1661
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 3: Where be local is to be better.

1662
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 9: And you know, I'm old school in that way. I

1663
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,759
Speaker 9: like that. But again, I'm very blessed in that TV

1664
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 9: gave me that thing that most people in radio are

1665
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 9: seeking through syndication. I had it in TV already.

1666
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 6: One question I ad to you was in regards to

1667
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 6: the culture of BT when you talk about the early years,

1668
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 6: and you were saying that it wasn't pretty, you know

1669
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. I remember those early years, and I

1670
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 6: remember it was kind of rough, but it was also

1671
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 6: really real. And I mean just from watching your show,

1672
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 6: and I remember there was this other show I think

1673
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 6: you just come on after the video, so the it

1674
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 6: was a movie show, and it was this lady had

1675
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 6: a segment called Popcorn and pig Feet what. Yes, But

1676
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 6: in this this particular episode was notable because they dissed

1677
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 6: Graffiti Bridge, like I mean straight up smashed Graffiti Bridge.

1678
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 3: And I was like whole, Like, I mean, there was

1679
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: that segment.

1680
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 6: There was another segment where like Dwayne Martin was going

1681
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 6: through the record store like holding up records like on

1682
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 6: some like Kiss of the disc kind of shit like Yo,

1683
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 6: this new Tony Tony Tony album is crazy, Yo, this

1684
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 6: is the new t Shir Campel album.

1685
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 3: This shit is whack.

1686
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, they were just it was ruthless, you

1687
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 6: know what I mean, and so and even like on

1688
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 6: your show, I mean you would give like I mean,

1689
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 6: god man, was.

1690
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 3: It like vertical hole. I think that was the first

1691
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: place seems too much too visually. I remember that interview.

1692
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 6: She had had a cold, ye, so like you don't

1693
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 6: remember so much so real and it was no PC,

1694
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 6: no cut card. It just seemed to be I mean,

1695
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 6: as as much as you described those early years as

1696
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 6: they were kind of rough and kind of ugly, to me,

1697
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 6: that was the charm because I knew I was getting

1698
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 6: just uncut.

1699
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 3: When did that change?

1700
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 6: Do you or do you remember when it kind of

1701
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 6: shifted and they were like, all right, maybe we gotta

1702
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 6: polish it up, like we can't just you.

1703
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 9: Know, be this, and people like I can't play commercial,

1704
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 9: you know, No, I don't.

1705
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 14: I don't know, I can't play what the rough Side

1706
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:33,879
Speaker 14: of the Mountain commercial I found.

1707
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 3: Coming up Jesus.

1708
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 9: But no, I don't know when that when that changed. Man,

1709
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 9: I don't know. You know, I've I've always felt like

1710
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 9: you got to keep it real. Like there are times

1711
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 9: when I play a song to this day and I'll go,

1712
01:33:55,439 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 9: you know, wow, my boys will kill me, but almost

1713
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 9: say it anyway, Cooling the Gang celebration I played that

1714
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 9: you are talking about that song on the air, is like, God,

1715
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 9: I can't take that song anymore, I said, I you know,

1716
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm happy for Cooling the Gang that this

1717
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 9: every bar, it's for wedding, any celebration you got over

1718
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 9: the last thirty five years they played that song, I said,

1719
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 9: But when I go down to Jamaica and I hear

1720
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 9: it's a celebration, it's like.

1721
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 3: You can't escape it.

1722
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 9: Escaping it, you know, give me some of the other

1723
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 9: cooler stuff. That's but you know, I think that people

1724
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 9: appreciate that because it's real, and that's just my opinion.

1725
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 9: You know that if everything is great, then you can

1726
01:34:54,760 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 9: no longer be believable because everything's not great. You know, Yeah,

1727
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 9: you should sometimes say yeah, you know that song is

1728
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 9: not for me, but I play it. It's popular. People

1729
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 9: are crazy, you know.

1730
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 5: Well, Donnie uh, we thank you for coming on the

1731
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 5: show and this has definitely been a master class in man.

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Speaker 9: Man, thanks for having me. I wanted to have one

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Speaker 9: final question.

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Speaker 6: This is from my mother, who like absolutely loves you.

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Speaker 6: She wants to know I guess I want to know,

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Speaker 6: did you have a smoke before you went on the air.

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Speaker 12: No, Man, definitely not always waited to laughter the show.

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01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 12: How people used to ask me that all the time.

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Speaker 9: And one show I actually came out I addressed that.

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Speaker 9: I said, people always ask me that, and but no,

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Speaker 9: I am not high, I said, but when I smile,

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01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 9: I squeimped my eyes closed. They would try out kind

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Speaker 9: of make up and stuff trying to get my eyes

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Speaker 9: to look more open, and it's just that's just.

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Speaker 3: Who I am.

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Speaker 9: It just so I explained all that on the air,

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Speaker 9: and I said, so anyway, so no, I do not

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Speaker 9: get high, but let's get our show started. We're gonna

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Speaker 9: play this video and I'm gonna go in the back

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Speaker 9: smoke a joint. We'll be back in a minute.

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Speaker 10: Oh god.

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Speaker 5: I thank you Donnie Simpson for all that you've done

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Speaker 5: for us. And you know raising, I don't want to

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01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 5: put it like no, he.

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Speaker 6: Pretty much raised like any any left of center like

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Speaker 6: black stuff you got put on like it came through video.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, hey man, thank you very much. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate you. One more time.

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Speaker 9: Thank y'all.

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Speaker 3: I won't be happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: I won't be happy here, Sugar Steve, Boss, Bill On Bifield,

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Speaker 5: bron Tickelo.

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Speaker 3: This is Quest Love. You've been listening to Quest Love

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Speaker 3: Supreme only on Pandora. We see you on the next program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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