1
00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

2
00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learn the latest about a

3
00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 2: star actress on the popular soap opera General Hospital. This woman,

4
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,320
Speaker 2: Haley Pulos, was last spotted driving to a luxury nearly

5
00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:36,720
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars a night Malibu rehab after she plows

6
00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,360
Speaker 2: her vehicle wrong way on the interstate. Can you imagine

7
00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,040
Speaker 2: how fast they were going.

8
00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,000
Speaker 3: All the while?

9
00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:51,280
Speaker 2: We know the head on collision was preceded by another

10
00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,000
Speaker 2: hit and run where the actress allegedly rammed into another person,

11
00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,680
Speaker 2: took off, and then plows in to this victim on

12
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,640
Speaker 2: the interstate.

13
00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,040
Speaker 3: The dui crash seemingly has.

14
00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,560
Speaker 2: No consequences because she is lounging right now at a

15
00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:20,520
Speaker 2: Malibu rehab that offers gourmet dining, hot tub yoga, horseback riding, fishing,

16
00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,080
Speaker 2: beach access, and off site activities during treatment.

17
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I see, grace. This is Crime Stories.

18
00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,399
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation and

19
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,800
Speaker 2: Series XM one eleven. First of all, take to listen

20
00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,080
Speaker 2: to our friends at ABC and KTLA.

21
00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,560
Speaker 4: General Hospital star Haley Pulos has been arrested for an

22
00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,960
Speaker 4: alleged ui, accused of causing a major freeway rent the

23
00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,520
Speaker 4: incident happened on the one thirty four in Pasadena, where

24
00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,200
Speaker 4: the CHP says she entered the freeway into oncoming traffic.

25
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,160
Speaker 4: She collided head on with another car, destroying both vehicles.

26
00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,000
Speaker 4: Pulos was hospitalized where she was then arrested for DUI.

27
00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,160
Speaker 4: The driver of the other car was also hospitalized with

28
00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,040
Speaker 4: major injuries.

29
00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 5: Pelisa Pulos was also involved in a hit and run

30
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,280
Speaker 5: crash before the freeway accident. According to Soap Opera Digest,

31
00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,120
Speaker 5: the show has temporarily recast her character. She was arrested

32
00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,680
Speaker 5: at the hospital and faces DUI charges.

33
00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,440
Speaker 3: But excuse me.

34
00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,280
Speaker 2: To Jim Smith, chief investigative reporter with Dailymail dot Com,

35
00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,560
Speaker 2: the Soap Opera Digest no offense. Their banner, their headline

36
00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,359
Speaker 2: is her part has been recast. What about the victims too,

37
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,600
Speaker 2: victims I believe in one day, Jim, Yeah.

38
00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,720
Speaker 6: And look, I think I might be able to explain why.

39
00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,840
Speaker 6: That's what they headlined on Nancy. And it's because when

40
00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,720
Speaker 6: they reached out to Haley Tulos they heard about this crash.

41
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,560
Speaker 6: She just said to them, I was involved in a

42
00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,280
Speaker 6: car accident. I'm okay, I just need some time to recover.

43
00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 6: She failed to mention the fact that the reason she

44
00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120
Speaker 6: was involved in a crash is because she was driving drunk,

45
00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,520
Speaker 6: possibly on the influence of drugs, and had hit not

46
00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,560
Speaker 6: one but two cars like you mentioned.

47
00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to read it for Baden because it's

48
00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,040
Speaker 2: just so it's so incredulous.

49
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:09,880
Speaker 3: It's hard to believe.

50
00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,320
Speaker 2: She plows into not one but two victims, and correct

51
00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,720
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. I think she was going wrong way,

52
00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,040
Speaker 2: drunk or on drugs on the interstate and plows into

53
00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,799
Speaker 2: somebody just after another hit and run she hit, and

54
00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,560
Speaker 2: she ran and then has a head on collision. Quote

55
00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320
Speaker 2: this this was soap opera digest. I hope you're sitting down.

56
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,120
Speaker 2: Quote Unfortunately, I was involved in an automobile accident. What

57
00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,720
Speaker 2: She's either drunk or high on something according to prosecutors,

58
00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean a snoopful And this is I was involved

59
00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,960
Speaker 2: in an automobile accident. Somebody wrote this for her, and

60
00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm doing okay, but I'm going to need a little

61
00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:01,080
Speaker 2: time to recover in your Malibu rehabs, seriously doing yoga,

62
00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,440
Speaker 2: hot dug gourmet dining, horseback riding, fishing, beach access and

63
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,400
Speaker 2: off site activities. What okay, wait, I will be back

64
00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,280
Speaker 2: as soon as possible. Exclamation. Okay, just let that sink

65
00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,240
Speaker 2: in joining me. In addition to Jen Smith, chief reporter

66
00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,200
Speaker 2: dailymail dot Com, the former president of Georgia Mad Mothers

67
00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,480
Speaker 2: Against Drunk Driving, founder director Cold Case Research Institute, and

68
00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,040
Speaker 2: star of a new hit podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum

69
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,720
Speaker 2: the gall.

70
00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,839
Speaker 3: To say I'll be back as soon as possible.

71
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,120
Speaker 7: What Nancy, she's busy. I mean, she's got to take

72
00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,719
Speaker 7: some time with all the horseback ride, fish and yoga

73
00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 7: and going to the beach. I mean, she's just not

74
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,040
Speaker 7: even gonna have time to detail.

75
00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,040
Speaker 2: The biggest banner is she's been recast. Jen Smith, I'm

76
00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,360
Speaker 2: just trying to figure out what exactly how, And first

77
00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,120
Speaker 2: I want to get to the wrong way on the

78
00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:08,279
Speaker 2: interstate because interstate to me means seventy five mph at best.

79
00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,719
Speaker 2: And how do you do a head on collision on

80
00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,240
Speaker 2: the interstate. Everybody's supposed to be going the same way.

81
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so much of us we still don't know.

82
00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,360
Speaker 6: But what we do know this happened there are one

83
00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,120
Speaker 6: point thirty in the morning. Now, what we know, according

84
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,120
Speaker 6: to the police reports so far, is that she was

85
00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,560
Speaker 6: driving on this freeway, she swerved, she clears the dividing

86
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,520
Speaker 6: barrier and crashes into a car traveling on the opposite

87
00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,320
Speaker 6: direction head on at what we know so far as

88
00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,520
Speaker 6: sixty miles per hour, definitely fast enough to cause some

89
00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,559
Speaker 6: serious damage and the driver of that car was taken

90
00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,479
Speaker 6: to the hospital with severe injury.

91
00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,719
Speaker 3: Right, did you say impact was at sixty mph?

92
00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,200
Speaker 6: That's this car where the victim's car was traveling at

93
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,400
Speaker 6: least sixty miles per hour when she crashed into it,

94
00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,719
Speaker 6: driving in the wrong direction.

95
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,800
Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and

96
00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,640
Speaker 2: accident reconstructionist with Veritech Consulting Engineering, and you can find

97
00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,640
Speaker 2: him at vera techeng dot com, Vera tech Engineering dot com.

98
00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,200
Speaker 3: Joseph, thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me.

99
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,680
Speaker 3: What do all.

100
00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,600
Speaker 2: Of these numbers and the speeds and going across the

101
00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 2: median which actually may have reduced her speed somewhat.

102
00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,160
Speaker 3: What do you make of this? What happened?

103
00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,039
Speaker 8: Well, the way I understand it, and I'm taking some

104
00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 8: of this directly from Daily Mail, was that she was

105
00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,680
Speaker 8: initially traveling westbound on Highway one thirty four and was

106
00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 8: involved in an accident that was less severe with an

107
00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:52,880
Speaker 8: Oldsmobile driver potentially causing her to redirect in a direction

108
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,599
Speaker 8: that would cause her to launch over the median barrier

109
00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,640
Speaker 8: and then become traveling in the oncoming traffic lane on

110
00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,400
Speaker 8: the eastbound side, and then at that point she contacted

111
00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 8: the Kia that was driven by the twenty three year

112
00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,600
Speaker 8: old male. One thing I did find interesting about these

113
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,760
Speaker 8: photographs that were provided by the responding emergency personnel was

114
00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,200
Speaker 8: at the point of rest for both of these vehicles

115
00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,120
Speaker 8: was all the way over on the right side of

116
00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 8: the road, which means that she probably was airborne and

117
00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,720
Speaker 8: traveling across the entire highway before she contacted this Kia.

118
00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,160
Speaker 8: The damage to both vehicles is severe. It appears that

119
00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,680
Speaker 8: it is a front end impact biased a little bit

120
00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,400
Speaker 8: towards the driver's side of both vehicles, but the damage

121
00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,160
Speaker 8: is significant all the way from the front bumper through

122
00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,000
Speaker 8: the occupant compartment. And one thing I did read on

123
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,320
Speaker 8: one of these news articles is.

124
00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880
Speaker 9: That she had to be extricated with the jaws.

125
00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,880
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly my thinking. In fact.

126
00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 9: Yeah.

127
00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:10,080
Speaker 2: Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and accident reconstructionist. I want

128
00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 2: you to hear what we've learned about that from our

129
00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,640
Speaker 2: friends at KCAL.

130
00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 10: She's a general hospital actor. She plays the son and

131
00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,960
Speaker 10: daughter of Sonny. If you've ever seen that show, that's

132
00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,720
Speaker 10: who she plays. And we'll show you some video here

133
00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,960
Speaker 10: of the crash and you can see just really how

134
00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 10: serious this was. This was a situation on the one

135
00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,400
Speaker 10: thirty four in Pasadena where Haley Puyos was arrested where

136
00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,559
Speaker 10: she came on the wrong way of the one thirty

137
00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,160
Speaker 10: four hit a car, continued on and then got into

138
00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,840
Speaker 10: this head on crash. You can see here how mangled

139
00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,800
Speaker 10: up the cars are. Here's the actress herself. She ultimately

140
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,520
Speaker 10: was arrested by the CHP after she had to be

141
00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,720
Speaker 10: extricated using the jaws of life by the Pasadena Police Department.

142
00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 2: Joseph Trimblay, joining us from Veritech Engineering, explain why do

143
00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,520
Speaker 2: you have to use the jaws of life.

144
00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,480
Speaker 8: Well in severe accidents like this one. What ends up

145
00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,960
Speaker 8: happening from the impact crush that occurs to the vehicle

146
00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,800
Speaker 8: is that a lot of times the occupant compartment that

147
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,160
Speaker 8: the area where the driver sits becomes so damaged that

148
00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,120
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, the front end of the vehicle, the bumper,

149
00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,840
Speaker 8: and then both doors become so intermingled entangled together from

150
00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,760
Speaker 8: the impact that you can't get out the driver. If

151
00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,880
Speaker 8: they do survive a significant impact like this, a lot

152
00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880
Speaker 8: of times they can't get out of the vehicle, and

153
00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,400
Speaker 8: that could be because they're injured or because the vehicle

154
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,120
Speaker 8: itself is just so damaged that they can't get out.

155
00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,240
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you this much from what I know,

156
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360
Speaker 2: Jen Smith joining us daily mail dot com. She's not

157
00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,720
Speaker 2: so injured that she's not at the Malibu rehab Let's

158
00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,120
Speaker 2: see Malibu Detox and Residential Treatment Center where she has

159
00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,720
Speaker 2: hot tub What all did I say? Hot tub orde dining.

160
00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to have lunch there today.

161
00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,640
Speaker 3: That's really good.

162
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,319
Speaker 2: Yoga, horseback fishing, beach access, off site activities.

163
00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:27,160
Speaker 11: She's not hurt. She's fine.

164
00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,840
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greace.

165
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 2: You just heard Joseph Tremblay state that you have to

166
00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,200
Speaker 2: use jaws of life, which they look like giant metal

167
00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 2: pinchers that actually cut through the metal to extricate someone

168
00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,360
Speaker 2: when the car is so damaged and disfigured.

169
00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,360
Speaker 3: So she's not hurt, Jen Smith.

170
00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,679
Speaker 2: I mean, the last photo I've seen in this woman,

171
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,680
Speaker 2: her dad is driving her to this luxury treatment center

172
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,839
Speaker 2: after a stop at Taco Bill. She has not lost

173
00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,760
Speaker 2: her appetite.

174
00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,080
Speaker 12: She definitely has not lost her appetite.

175
00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,319
Speaker 6: And no, you're quite right, she wasn't seriously injured. Obviously,

176
00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,280
Speaker 6: this was hugely fortunate for her that she was not

177
00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,440
Speaker 6: seriously injured. But we do know a little bit about

178
00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,760
Speaker 6: how she behaved when she was brought out of this vehicle. Now,

179
00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,000
Speaker 6: these emergency personnel, they clearly are risking their own safety

180
00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,800
Speaker 6: getting people out of these situations. And Nancy, when Hailey

181
00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,560
Speaker 6: Bulop was pulled out of her vehicle, she actually complained

182
00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,720
Speaker 6: to them that she was worried they were going to

183
00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,080
Speaker 6: tear her four hundred dollars shirt. She was cursing at

184
00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,079
Speaker 6: these men and women who were saving her, and she

185
00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 6: was more worried about her clothes. She was then taken

186
00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,320
Speaker 6: to the hospital, we imagine as a precaution and to

187
00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,679
Speaker 6: be checked over, and that is where the investigating authorities

188
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,959
Speaker 6: not that her speech was blurred, there was alcohol on

189
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,840
Speaker 6: her breath, and they were able to make the determination

190
00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,600
Speaker 6: that she was over the limit. We're not quite sure

191
00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,120
Speaker 6: yet by how much. But after they searched what was

192
00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,360
Speaker 6: you know, still intact. In terms of her car, they

193
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,600
Speaker 6: found a mini bossal of tequila and they found marijuana.

194
00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,800
Speaker 2: Edible tequila and pot. Wow, the car wasn't the only

195
00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,280
Speaker 2: thing airborne.

196
00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

197
00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:35,440
Speaker 2: Speaking of her very bad behavior after not one but

198
00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,559
Speaker 2: two crashes, take a listen to Mike rogers Kekel.

199
00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,240
Speaker 10: There is a TMZ report that claims that after she

200
00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,000
Speaker 10: was extricated, she was not terribly nice to a firefighter,

201
00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,600
Speaker 10: claiming that, you know, her shirt is worth four hundred dollars,

202
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,120
Speaker 10: don't cut it, despite the fact that she allegedly just

203
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,880
Speaker 10: caused this pretty bad crash. So the CCHP is now

204
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,920
Speaker 10: investigating this whole thing again. She's been arrested for duy

205
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,880
Speaker 10: and driving wrong way on her freeway.

206
00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120
Speaker 2: Also a criminal charge. Okay, let me get this straight.

207
00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,840
Speaker 2: You know what, let me go out to you. Robert

208
00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 2: Crispin Crispin private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer for

209
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,600
Speaker 2: the DOJ, Department of Justice with DEA and the Miami

210
00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:19,840
Speaker 2: Field Division. Former homicide investigator now at Crispin Special Investigations.

211
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,200
Speaker 2: Find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert Crispin, she

212
00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:30,400
Speaker 2: cussed out see emergency tics and warning they better not

213
00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,720
Speaker 2: hurt her four hundred dollars blouse.

214
00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,720
Speaker 13: Help me, Well, I've seen it a bunch of times, Nancy.

215
00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,679
Speaker 13: You know, before becoming a federal agent, you know, I

216
00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,520
Speaker 13: was a city cop and gosh, I've arrested so many

217
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,400
Speaker 13: people for DUI. And the reason they're cutting her shorts

218
00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,760
Speaker 13: because they need to look at her to make sure

219
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,280
Speaker 13: she doesn't have any bullet holes in her Was she

220
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,000
Speaker 13: shopped before the christ They need to see if there's

221
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,840
Speaker 13: any other injuries anywhere on her body. That's very typical

222
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,360
Speaker 13: of a drunk driver to be argumentative. That's one of

223
00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:02,760
Speaker 13: the telltale signs. Argumentative, odor of alcohol, bloodshot, watery eyes, combative,

224
00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,880
Speaker 13: all that, that's all part of the bigger picture.

225
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic

226
00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,840
Speaker 2: psychologist specializing and capital mitigation. You can find her at

227
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,719
Speaker 2: panthermitigation dot com. She's the author of Criminal Behavior and

228
00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 2: also the author of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Issues

229
00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:30,000
Speaker 2: in Legal Psychology. On Twitter at trial dot doctor Sherry Schwartz,

230
00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,320
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Okay, you'd think she

231
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,440
Speaker 2: would have stopped after the first crash, that hit and run,

232
00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,480
Speaker 2: but no, the thought of stopping and checking on that victim.

233
00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:43,960
Speaker 3: That did not occur to her.

234
00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:50,440
Speaker 2: She continued on to have a head on collision with

235
00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,400
Speaker 2: another driver and then have the wherewithal not.

236
00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,040
Speaker 3: To ask about, Oh, my stars, is that guy hurt?

237
00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,160
Speaker 2: You damn well better not cut my four hun the

238
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800
Speaker 2: dollar blouse be I mean, that's what happened.

239
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,200
Speaker 14: Yes, And I hope it's on body cam so that

240
00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,280
Speaker 14: everybody can see it in court because that'll be extra special.

241
00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,000
Speaker 3: Well is that your medical diagnosis? That will be extra special.

242
00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,280
Speaker 14: Because I really like that this is and I do mitigation,

243
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,600
Speaker 14: as you know, Nancy, And these these are the kinds

244
00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 14: of crimes that I won't touch because it's completely preventable.

245
00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,280
Speaker 14: And here is someone that has to be removed from

246
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 14: her own vehicle with the jaws of life. And I've

247
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,200
Speaker 14: never seen this happen, but I imagine it takes some

248
00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,960
Speaker 14: time for that to happen. It'll just clamp that thing

249
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,240
Speaker 14: down and out you come, right. I imagine it takes

250
00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,000
Speaker 14: some time. And during that time, why is she not thinking, oh,

251
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 14: oh my goodness, like, am I going to survive? Is

252
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,480
Speaker 14: victim going to survive?

253
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:50,600
Speaker 5: You know?

254
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,160
Speaker 14: Am I going to get into trouble?

255
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:52,400
Speaker 12: No?

256
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,800
Speaker 14: She's worried about her four hundred dollars blouse, and she

257
00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,640
Speaker 14: was so aggressive according to what I read, that she

258
00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,560
Speaker 14: had to be sedated at the hospital because she was

259
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800
Speaker 14: even aggressive with hospital staff. And what we know, what

260
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,880
Speaker 14: the psychology research shows us about this type of behavior

261
00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,200
Speaker 14: is that the alcohol tends to amplify trait behavior. So

262
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,680
Speaker 14: this is somebody who likely has issues with aggression.

263
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,360
Speaker 2: Jared Farantina is joining US veteran homicide prosecutor. You can

264
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 2: find them on Facebook and Insta Jarrett Farantina. Jarrett really

265
00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,160
Speaker 2: tequila and edible's pot and she's worried about her four

266
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,240
Speaker 2: hundred dollars blouse and becomes abusive, cursing out the EMT's

267
00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,120
Speaker 2: trying to get her out of her car with the

268
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,480
Speaker 2: jaws of life.

269
00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,480
Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, it's Haley's world and we're all just living

270
00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,920
Speaker 9: in it. That's the attitude that I get here. She

271
00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,320
Speaker 9: has alcohol, marijuana, edibles. If it was truly a hit

272
00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,960
Speaker 9: and run too, I mean, she could have been and

273
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,640
Speaker 9: the details of this haven't come out. She could have

274
00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,200
Speaker 9: been blacked out behind the wheels. So she got to

275
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,200
Speaker 9: a point where she is so out of her mind

276
00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,159
Speaker 9: on whatever she's intoxicated on that she is not even

277
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,320
Speaker 9: in touch with reality, has the hit and run Kareem's

278
00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,680
Speaker 9: into the oncoming lane and causes these very, very bad

279
00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,000
Speaker 9: injuries to this young man. So her conduct before is

280
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,880
Speaker 9: a series of bad decisions. If she wasn't passed out,

281
00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,240
Speaker 9: it was a hit and run, she didn't render aid

282
00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,880
Speaker 9: to somebody, and she Kareems into that oncoming lane. It's

283
00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,040
Speaker 9: one intentional act and bad decision after another by Haley.

284
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 9: And then after the accident mistreats emergency personnel and was combative.

285
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:38,920
Speaker 15: At the hospital.

286
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,399
Speaker 12: Just a bad actress.

287
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,720
Speaker 9: All the way around.

288
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,240
Speaker 6: Nancy.

289
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,560
Speaker 2: Can I tell one of those amts had to say

290
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,679
Speaker 2: no good day goes unpunished?

291
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,040
Speaker 3: Is that Cheryl McCollum jumping in?

292
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,520
Speaker 13: Yes, Sam, go ahead.

293
00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,080
Speaker 3: But I just want to tell you before you say

294
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:51,840
Speaker 3: one more word.

295
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,639
Speaker 2: As your lawyer, let me advise you that pulos is

296
00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 2: stay at the Malibu Rehab could cost nearly thirty thousand dollars.

297
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,959
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, go ahead.

298
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,439
Speaker 7: Alcohol makes you more of who you are, So if

299
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 7: you drink and want to fight everybody in the bar,

300
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,440
Speaker 7: that's who you are. If you get drunk and want

301
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 7: to sleep with a perfect stranger. That's who you are

302
00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,919
Speaker 7: at your core. Alcohol does not change you. Most people

303
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,120
Speaker 7: drink so they can do these things. So like when

304
00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,159
Speaker 7: a woman says, oh, he's good to me until he

305
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,160
Speaker 7: starts drinking and then he beats me. No, he drinks

306
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,120
Speaker 7: so he can beat you. So there's a difference when

307
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,760
Speaker 7: you look at somebody that has cost thousands of dollars

308
00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,280
Speaker 7: worth of damage in these vehicles, cost thousands of dollars

309
00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,919
Speaker 7: versus worth of you know, rescue equipment and that time,

310
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,880
Speaker 7: and she's worried about a four hundred dollars shirt. And

311
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 7: everybody loves firefighters. They know how to diffuse the situation.

312
00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 7: They call you by your first name, they try to

313
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:00,359
Speaker 7: call you down.

314
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,879
Speaker 13: They are literally.

315
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 7: Only there to help you, and you're going to try

316
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 7: to punch one of them. That's who you are.

317
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: You know what, Cheryl McCollum, I'm looking at a photograph

318
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,919
Speaker 2: we obtained from the Pasadena Fire Department. I don't know

319
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 2: how these people even lived. You see the airbag is

320
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 2: deployed that this car. These cars are mangled. Now we

321
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 2: know Pulos of course survived, but the other driver has

322
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,120
Speaker 2: sustained major injuries and joining me right, now a special

323
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: guest medical examiner from the State of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer,

324
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,679
Speaker 2: University of Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine, founder and host

325
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher,

326
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 2: thank you for taking time out of your day at

327
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 2: the Medical Examiner's office to speak with us.

328
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: Why is it? Doctor Gallagher? And I know this is anecdotal.

329
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,119
Speaker 2: But I don't have a statistical study, But why is

330
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 2: it the drunk person always walks off, They're fine, She's

331
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: at a three thousand dollars a day Malibu rehab, horseback

332
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 2: riding and sitting in the hot tub.

333
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: Everybody else ends up in traction at the hospital or dead.

334
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 12: There is information that supports that. And you know, typically

335
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 12: what alcohol does, it is a essential nervous system depressant,

336
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 12: meaning that it relaxes you and so it also increases

337
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 12: your reaction time, so it takes you longer to see

338
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 12: something and react to it than somebody who is sober.

339
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 12: So typically in these accidents, the person who is sober

340
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,719
Speaker 12: will brace themselves right before the crash, so they'll grab

341
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 12: onto the steering wheel very hard. They'll strengthen their strengthen

342
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 12: they will straighten their arms, they will straighten their legs,

343
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 12: and that actually makes their bones a lot easier to break,

344
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 12: and they get injured a lot worse than somebody who

345
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 12: is just relaxed, does not fight the feeling and lets

346
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 12: the air bag come out and save them. So, you know,

347
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 12: the reason why I'm saying it's not exactly anecdotal is

348
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 12: because people who are restrained in the car and are

349
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 12: asleep in the car and are subject to the same

350
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 12: types of accidents have a much greater survival rate. So

351
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 12: the alcohol relaxes the body. You do not brace your

352
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 12: arms after the imp would you let go of the

353
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 12: steering wheel, and then the air bag will come out

354
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 12: and prevent you know, a lot of injuries that way.

355
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 12: And we also see this in race car drivers when

356
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 12: when the race car driver his car is out of

357
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 12: control and he knows he's going to hit the wall,

358
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 12: he will let go of the steering wheel, folds his

359
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 12: arms across his chest, and let the safety equipment that's

360
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 12: installed in the car do its work and there's a

361
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 12: lot less injuries, you know, to the driver because of

362
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 12: that reason. So it's the relaxation that the alcohol and

363
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 12: in this case, the marijuana brought her that actually contributed

364
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 12: to her not becoming as injured as she would have been.

365
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's amazing what you just said, doctor Gallagher.

366
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take it all in, so that really

367
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: is true. It's not just what I've noticed in deui homicides.

368
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: That's real.

369
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: So the drunk person is more relaxed and somehow ends

370
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: up walking away or at least being a lot less

371
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: injured than all the other parties. Because I don't know,

372
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: if you've seen this picture of these mangled cars, what

373
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: looks like it's basically been cut in half.

374
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 3: They really look awful.

375
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how any one survived this, hey, doctor Gallagher.

376
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: Another quick question, tequila mixed with pot ediples?

377
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: What effect would that have.

378
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: On the defendant, the actress Haley Pulos.

379
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 12: Well, you know, it depends on how much she had

380
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 12: with her. Now, so a six ounce how.

381
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: Much sequilla does it take? Gallagher?

382
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 12: Well, also depends on the person's weight, you know, but

383
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 12: I would say an actress is probably underweight if I

384
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 12: were just hazard to guess, so I would say that

385
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 12: five ounces of tequila would raise her blood alcohol level

386
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 12: to about where she needs to be intoxicated, and then

387
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 12: anything above that will just add to that. As far

388
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 12: as the intoxication brought upon by the well delta nine thc,

389
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 12: which is the marijuana and then the alcohol, those combined

390
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 12: effects are often greater than the effects individually. You know.

391
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 12: We say typically say, you know, a two plus two

392
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 12: equals four, but in intoxication alcohol and marijuana two plus

393
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 12: two often equals ten. So they would be more intoxicated

394
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 12: having the combination, you know, than having each one individually.

395
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: You know, it was really interesting doctor doctor Gallagher is

396
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: joining me the Medical Examiner for the state of Florida,

397
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: the big push to legalize marijuana, and whether you're for

398
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: it or against it, I of course am against it,

399
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: not because I think you're going to sit on your

400
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: sofa and a big fat do be. My concern is

401
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: you're going to get on the road and drive, and

402
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: more vehicular homicides will occur because you're stoned.

403
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: What do you think about that, doctor Gallagher.

404
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 12: Well, it's very interesting. You should mention that, you know,

405
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 12: for every uh decedent or every victim that does not

406
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 12: survive that comes to the Medical Examiner's office as a

407
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 12: result of a car accident, we send the blood to

408
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 12: toxicology to see exactly what was in it. And you know,

409
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 12: marijuana has become so incredibly common in these accidents that

410
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 12: if in fact a blood sample comes back negative for marijuana,

411
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 12: I will call the toxicology company and ask them to

412
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 12: just run at one more time, you know, because nine

413
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 12: out of ten specimens do come back, you know, positive

414
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 12: for delta nine thhc, which is the active ingredient in marijuana.

415
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: And before you go back to your patients, Dot de

416
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: Gallagher answer, the same level of drug and an edible

417
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: as there would be in.

418
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 12: Pot cigarette difficult to say because of all the different

419
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 12: recipes and there's no standardization, you know, like they would

420
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 12: have in pharmacological things, you know. So and also there's

421
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 12: different subtypes of marijuana. A lot of him have more

422
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 12: delta nine thc in them than another subspecies of it.

423
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 12: So it's just very difficult to say.

424
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: It's not like they've got a nutritional guide stuck on

425
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: the back of the edible about the calories and the

426
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: tea and the pot content. Guys, this woman, this soap

427
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: opera star, who wants us to know she'll be back

428
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: really soon from her luxury rehab. Haley pulos is by

429
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: far not the first is the name mel Gibson ring

430
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: a beail take listener cut.

431
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 15: Nine Thursday night, mel Gibson was arrested on the Pacific

432
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 15: Coast Highway with a bottle of tequila in his brand

433
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 15: new Lexus, and he was clocked at about eighty four

434
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 15: miles an hour in a forty five mile an hour zone.

435
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 15: According to the Sheriff's Department, was arrested without incident. We're

436
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 15: now finding out today that he not only leveled some

437
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 15: what it can only be conceived as or perceived as

438
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 15: what can only be perceived as anti semitic comments to

439
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 15: the officer, but also some pretty harassing, sexually harassing comments

440
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 15: to a female officer. So there's a lot more to

441
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 15: this story than meets the eye.

442
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: You were hearing our friends at Extra mel Gibson ranting

443
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: anti Semitic slurs and sex slurs. But take a listen

444
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: to our friends at ABC.

445
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 16: An angry rant caught on tape.

446
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 12: You were evocatively dressed all the time with your fake

447
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 12: books you feel you have to show up and tied

448
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 12: out of it.

449
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 16: And type pan celebrity site Radar Online reports mel Gibson

450
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 16: unaware he was being recorded, lashed out at his ex

451
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 16: girlfriend and the mother of his eight month old child,

452
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 16: Oxana Grigoryeva.

453
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 10: I'm just truth.

454
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 6: I don't like it.

455
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 17: I don't want that woman. I don't want you.

456
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 16: His comments allegedly get worse, turning to racial slurs, which

457
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 16: new reports say led to the William Morris Talent Agency

458
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 16: dropping Gibson. Gibson's people say the split was mutuell.

459
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was a fight with his girlfriend, the

460
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: mom of his child. The original bruhaha was about comments

461
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: he made while drunk driving. Of course, he's not the

462
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: only celebrity to misbehave and explode. It wouldn't be fair

463
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: not to manage mention. Alec Baldwin with it Are cut

464
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: thirteen from ABC, taking.

465
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 18: His public blowouts with the press to a whole new letter.

466
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 18: I'm trying to get into his car outside his New

467
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 18: York apartment on Friday with his wife and three month

468
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 18: old baby, The famously hot tempered actor got in the

469
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 18: face of a female New York TV reporter, whom his

470
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 18: wife says hit her in the face with a microphone

471
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 18: a day earlier.

472
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: You're the one that almost hit my wife with the

473
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: microphone in the face. I asked you a question. If

474
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: you want to apologize to it, I asked your question.

475
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 18: Still fuming, Baldwin rings over nearby comps, demanding they take

476
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 18: I do want to press.

477
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: Charges against her.

478
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 19: She assaulted my wife.

479
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 18: The ruckus didn't stop there, as Baldwin then bangs into

480
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 18: another car as he tries to leave his parking spot.

481
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: That's the tip of the iceberg right there.

482
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: But I want to get back to driving drunk and

483
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: bad celebrity behavior when they're already driving drunk and in

484
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Pulos's case, two crashes sending one person to the hospital

485
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: that we know of with serious, serious injuries. Take a

486
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: listen to our friend Jim ray An inside edition the

487
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: now infamous incident regarding Heather Locklear.

488
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: Heather, how are you doing?

489
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 19: The turmoil continues for troubled actress Heather Locklear. The former

490
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 19: Melrose Play star, shielded her face with a hoodie today after.

491
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: Being busted yet again.

492
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 19: If you have any statement to make it all, miss Locklear.

493
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 19: Locklear allegedly struck a cop and a paramedic who were

494
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 19: responding to a nine to one one all out of

495
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 19: her home Sunday night.

496
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 18: She was extremely intoxicated, and at one point she actually

497
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 18: kicked a deputy, at which point she was arrested.

498
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 19: Blocklear was released after posting twenty thousand dollars bail. She

499
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 19: said nothing as she left jail with her attorney have

500
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 19: no profit. She was wearing flip flops and pajamas as

501
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 19: she headed to a car.

502
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

503
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, you mentioned earlier that very often

504
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: people behave when they're drunk the way that they secretly

505
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: want to behave. Why does everybody have to get drunk

506
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: and then attack the cop or, in Pulos's case, the firefighter.

507
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think at that point they can't

508
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 7: hide who they are because they're intoxicated. So again, when

509
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 7: you look at this behavior, it is a pattern they

510
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 7: teat over and over. This isn't the first time they've

511
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 7: been intoxicated, this isn't the first time they've driven drunk.

512
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 7: And Nancy, the reality of this crime is we lose

513
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 7: thirteen thousand people a year to you know, drunk driving

514
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 7: crashes that are one hundred percent preventable, And even during

515
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 7: this episode of your show, one person will be killed

516
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 7: due to an alcohol related driving incident, and it's preventable

517
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 7: now that we have left.

518
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 9: We have Uber, we have.

519
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 7: Taxis, we have Hey, here's an idea. Stay home. You know,

520
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 7: you can drink all you want, you can party and

521
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 7: have the time of your life. Do not get behind

522
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 7: the wheel of a car, you know.

523
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Jenn Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter for Dailymail dot Com.

524
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: It really wouldn't be fair when we're talking about celebrities

525
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: that get drunk and have crashes, or celebrities feeding off

526
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: their own stardom that believe they can mistreat all of us,

527
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: just regular people.

528
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: Jen, take a listar cut nineteen.

529
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 7: Bro, why are you giving?

530
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 13: I write him an American?

531
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 20: You got me in my hotel regally in doing what sir?

532
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 20: Let's go, Joe, you really got this cuss on me heavy.

533
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: I'll let me.

534
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 9: Oh listen, can we talk me and you?

535
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 20: No, we can't talk and know this.

536
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 6: I'm not going America.

537
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 20: Okay, my taxes get me my arms.

538
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 14: So we're not gonna have a conversation.

539
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 7: No, you don't put these off my arms or you beating.

540
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: You're hearing Shia and he's not done yet. Take a

541
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: litten our friends at.

542
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 20: AP you have president don't give it about you, and

543
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 20: you're stuck in a police force and don't give.

544
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 9: Me about you.

545
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 20: So you want to rest white people who get who

546
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 20: ask for cigarettes. I came up to you trying to be.

547
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 13: Nice, you stupid.

548
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 20: I came up with you asking for a cigarette. You

549
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 20: don't what would ask for a cigarette? If I was racing,

550
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 20: I was asking for a cigarette. You said no, I

551
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 20: said words, and then you arrested me, you dumb me.

552
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 20: They got cameras everywhere, you dummy. I got more millionaire

553
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 20: lawyers than you know what to do with you, stupid.

554
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 20: I'm from it, you dummy.

555
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well that's the way to get you a

556
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: cop on your side, to puss him out, call him stupid,

557
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: Ja Smith, What is wrong with Shia Labus?

558
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 6: I mean, this is just the classic cases. Don't you

559
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 6: know who I am? And it's a thing we see

560
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 6: constantly with celebrities Shia Labuff. Who knows what was going

561
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 6: on there? I mean quite clearly, that is a man

562
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 6: not in control of his faculties. But it's what we

563
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: see time and time again. We've heard of Shilah buf

564
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 6: Alex Baldwyn, mel Gid Fellow, and that's in the last

565
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 6: five minutes of this conversation. They're kinds samples.

566
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 19: You know.

567
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 6: Is it because celebrities get to into a different stratus,

568
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: sphere of success and aderation and wealth, where they think

569
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 6: that they're above the law, potentially in situations like this

570
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 6: one involving Haley Pullos. The crime itself do UI is

571
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 6: tragically not a rare one. Do you as account for

572
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 6: thirty percent of all vehicle crashes in America. But the

573
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: difference here is when a celebrity is involved, they almost

574
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 6: seem to think that it can't possibly be their.

575
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: Fault or that somehow they it should be excused, like

576
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: in this case, the soap opera star Haley Pulos is

577
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: instead of being behind bars at a rehab a so

578
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: called rehab in Malibu, they can cost her thirty grand

579
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: You know. The guys you're just listening to, some of

580
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: them are technical legal term pos, these pieces of crap.

581
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: But it's always a shocker when it's somebody you think

582
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: you really like. Take a listen to our cut six

583
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: from WSB.

584
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 21: It happened at this Walgreens. According to this police report,

585
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 21: Reese Witherspoon's husband was traveling northbound down Peatree Road when

586
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 21: he veered into another lane. This is where he was

587
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 21: pulled over. But what happened after that? Even with the

588
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 21: growing film scene here in Metro Atlanta, as residents around

589
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 21: here surprised. According to this Department of Public Safety incident report,

590
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 21: actress Reese Witherspoon was a passenger. Her husband, Jim Toth,

591
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 21: was the driver and suspected of duy when pulled over

592
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 21: twelve forty Friday morning. The report state's forty two year

593
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 21: old Toth agreed to a field sobriety test and blew

594
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 21: a one point thirty nine on a breathalyzer. It was

595
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 21: Witherspoon's actions, though, during her husband's arrest, that landed her

596
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 21: behind bars.

597
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: Two oh yes, and we all love Reeze.

598
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: Witherspoon. What got into her? I'd say, a couple of

599
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: glasses of wine. Take a listen, Raam, what do.

600
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 17: I say you to this? I like to know what's

601
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 17: playing on? Are going to risk if you don't give

602
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 17: a US citizen I am allowed to stand on American election.

603
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 17: I want to ask you better not arrest an American.

604
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 17: End you get that car, there is beyond beyond you

605
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 17: part with me. Rapping, rapping, every nothing against a lot.

606
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 6: Yes, you have you there.

607
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 9: Than your order.

608
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 10: Nothing.

609
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: It brings to mind a friend of mine. He's dead now,

610
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Robert Crispin. Randy Schappany was a rookie cop. We would

611
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: have coffee when he would show up for Grand Jewry

612
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: and I was the APD. He would tell me all

613
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: about his wife, they just gotten married, and how they

614
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: were starting a family, and how love he was. He

615
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: did a routine traffic stop and you hear Witherspoon complaining,

616
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: why do I have to get in the car. Why

617
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: can't I stand here and argue with you? Well, the

618
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: guy that pulled over Chapane, grabbed a gun and shot

619
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: him in the head dead. He said, license registration, and

620
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: that's the last thing he ever said.

621
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 13: Sure, that happens a lot. And let me tell you something.

622
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 13: You know, the officer is just trying to control the scene.

623
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 13: And when people keep coming up and they're intoxicated and

624
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 13: they're trying to be aggressive and they're trying to they're

625
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 13: diverting the attention of the officer for his safety, and

626
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 13: he's turning his attention to the problem that just got

627
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 13: out of the car.

628
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 9: I get it's reeth Witherspoon.

629
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 13: I get your celebrity, but unfortunately, bad things happen to people,

630
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 13: and this is why she went to jail. Alcohol just

631
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 13: brings out the worst behavior in everybody. And you see

632
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 13: it in every single one of these celebrities. They're all intoxicated.

633
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: That wasn't all of it. Listen to the rest.

634
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 17: I'm not being arrested. And you know my name, sir, don't.

635
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 17: You don't need to know my name, not quite. You're

636
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 17: a good can find out who I am. That's why

637
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 17: I'm not really lying for you. But I'm told you

638
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 17: how things work. You want to get out, get up

639
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 17: to mom rest you guys. Episode, Let's try I do.

640
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 17: We'll get to what we have anlt of that called

641
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 17: the structure. I'm in your justice yep, really, I mean

642
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 17: anti American?

643
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 14: Ye gods it down.

644
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 17: Wow. So you've got personally at interesting.

645
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: You know, it seems like it never ends with Reese Witherspoon.

646
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: No one was hurt.

647
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: And the case we're discussing right now, there were two

648
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: crashes on the interstate. The one victim serious serious bodily injuries,

649
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: and she is bitching out the fire people because she

650
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: doesn't want them to somehow harm.

651
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: Her four hundred dollars blouse. We wait as justice unfolds

652
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: Goodbye's wake,